Ammar Nakshawani Claims The Shahada Consists of 3 Components Tawheed, Nabuwaat, Waliyath

[TheFazproductions]

@Notgoingnowhere

Imam Ali is the first Muslim after Muhammad and nver worshiped anything but, Allah, and He married the Prophets only Daughter. He was from the Ahlulbait (which mean the family of the Prophet) so our Aqeeda is based on Imam Ali, which is based on Muhammad (PBUH), but your aqeeda is based on Yazeed, Muawya, Uthman, Omar, Abubaker, then Muhammad.

So Ya our Aqeeda is based to the one CLOSEST to prophet and the only sahabi that's considered from Ahlulbait.

[DefendDeen]

@TheFazproductions Imam Ali (as) never fought against Abu Bakr (ra), Umar (ra) and Uthmaan (ra). He helped them and in our view this means he was their friend. In your view it was all taqiyyah. As for Muawiyah and Yazid they were wrong. As for your aqeeda you have no direct books by ahlul bayt. Your teaching comes from later 12er Shias. For example the very first book of your ahadith is al kafi. That is only 1/3 correct in your believes. This is source of your aqeeda.

[TheFazproductions]

@DefendDeen

wat do u mean direct books.we have writings of Imam Ali for examplebut if you're speaking about hadithwell all hadith came 300 years after the Prophet (PBUH) for example Bukary, Muslim and the others, came after You prbly didn't know that..but that's no prblm that they came this late, the problem is who Bukary gives authority to say the hadith.

Plus as a Muslim Shi3i I don't consider my book "Sahih" so we can accept or deny But you guys have the word "Sahih" which is very dangerous

[DefendDeen]

@TheFazproductions Yah I am aware of that. As for Sahih it is a term used when the everyone in the chain is known. Every scholar has their opinion on who is realiable. When you lots of chains with the same information and know narrators that is when the ahadith becomes sahih. Again sahih doesn't mean infallible. The only prefect book is the Quran. Imam Jafar (as) told the Muslims to smash any ahadith against the wall if its contradicts the Quran.This includes 'sahih' ahadith.

[TheFazproductions]

@DefendDeen

So we're in agreement I don't consider any book Sahih or infallible except the Quran

And We also have the same system which is a narration through a chain, and there are those who we accept their authority over others, bcs of their knowledge or creditability within the Islamic community at their time.anyways it's good to understand from each other (Sunni and Shi3i) cause in my opinion the difference is not as big as our similarities our Prayer,Fasting,Rasool,Zakat,Bo­ok, are the same

[DefendDeen]

@TheFazproductions Yes, we can learn from each other. The shia benefit from Bukhari when they can use the Fadak ahadith to show that Bibi Fatima (sa) differed from the calipah. They can also use it to show Imam Ali (as) initially showed opposition to Calipate and considered himself more qualified. In Sahih Muslim it tells us follow the Quran and Ahlul Bayt. The Sunnis can benefit from Najh Al Balagha, and its Mutazilla commentary by Ibn Abil Hadeed.

[RafidaahSlayer786]

I think this Ammar guy forgot to realise that Harun (as) was a Prophet as well....oh wait mentioning that would completely destroy his argument wouldn't it? Anyways, I always thought, and I'm relying on a corrupted source (the Bible) here so I could be wrong, that the successor to Musa (as) was Yusha/Joshua and not Haron (as)

[DefendDeen]

@RafidaahSlayer786 Not only that. Haroon (as) died before Prophet Musa (as). The 12rs say that Ismail (as) the son of Imam Jafar is not an imam because he died before Imam Sadeq (as). So how can they use this qiyas as proof ?

[RafidaahSlayer786]

@DefendDeen Exactly! Not to mention the fact that Qiyas isn't used by past or present Shia "scholars".

[DefendDeen]

@RafidaahSlayer786 Their sect is full of qiyah. They just called in haraam without realizing it. Are you aware of the debate between Syed Murtaza and Shaykh Mufid ? Here is the story. Shaykh Mufid sees a dog urinating on Syed Murtaza's saddle. Then he informs him. Syed Murtaza says since there is only one witness for his case he can still sit on it. Then Syed Murtaza slept, and sees a dream telling of imam Ali him he is correct. If you want to see this reference online I can message you.

[RafidaahSlayer786]

@DefendDeen Please do!

[TheFazproductions]

@DefendDeen

Harun (AS) didn't die when Musa Asked him to watch over Bani Israel... just cause he died later it's irellavent.

and the reason we use the example of Harun (AS) is bcz Mohammad (pbuh) used to use that exmple to explain to Imam Ali that he's the leader when he not there...look at the book of hadith such as Muslim Book 031, Number 5915:

[DefendDeen]

@TheFazproductions So now you are using Qiyas in your sect ? I thought Qiyas was haraam for you guys. Now all of sudden its halaal ?

[TheFazproductions]

@DefendDeen

all of the sudden? lol

This truth has been like that for fourteen hund years.. I'm not using Qiyas The Nabi (PBUH) is giving US all of us the simlutude of Imam Ali to Harun. So you disbelief that Muhammad (PBUH) left behind a caliphait, and since I proved it to you. Now you want to argue Qiyas. Your no religous authority and neither am I, but Jaffar Sadiq (AS) (who taught all of the schools of thougt of Sunnah) Warned Imam hanbali not to use qiyaas on punishmentsand and 7ukom...

[DefendDeen]

@TheFazproductions Do you know what Qiyas means? It means analogy. Right now you and the dude Ammar has used it in his clip. As for Imam Hanibal he has nothing to do with the topic. If you say Qiyas is haraam then you are contradicting yourself since you just used it.

[TheFazproductions]

@DefendDeen

First: Qiyas doesn't mean analogy,

Second: Hanbali has a lot to do with Qiyas bcz the reason you believe in it is bcz of him, this is his system not YOURS you get it from him.

Third: I never claime it was Haram, Imam Jaffer Sadiq know better than you, me and Imam Hanbali, bcz Hanbali himself said that he's the best scholar of his time.

Qiyas has to do with Punishment and 7ukom, I dont know if you know what 7ukom means...but yo can do more research and see y it is good or nt good

[DefendDeen]

@TheFazproductions You need to open up a dictionary and look up the term Qiyas. IF you continue to make a fool out of yourself then don't bother positing here. Ask any Arabic scholar, and they will tell you that Qiyas means analogy. As for Imam Jafar's (as) we know he is big scholar. I don't need a 12er to tell me that.

[naghar25]

the fight between shia and sunni is basically the fight between version of history and aqeedah .shia use to justify their religion from the historical events such as fadak ,saffin etc.and sunni defend their religion from koran and sunna.

[DefendDeen]

@naghar25 One school exploits the emotion and other negates the history.

[aeehk11]

But Harun was not the successor of Musa !! The successor of Musa is Yushu' Bin Noon (Joshua)... So everything Ammar Nakshawani mentioned is nothing but false

[SalfSalih]

Allah (swt) says in the Quran: ‘So if they believe as you have believed (Sahabah), then they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, then they are in trangsression’(s2, v137) In this verse of the Quran, Allah (swt) addressing the disbelievers and people of the book, stated that their assumption in bringing belief in Allah and the Hereafter is incorrect. If they truly wish to believe, then they should do so as the Companions of the Prophet (saw) did. Only then will their belief be accepted.

[femaleqari]

it makes no sense because haroun himself was a prophet.

[DefendDeen]

Yah, he is using Qiyas. Ithna Ashrii say Qiyas is haraam, but they always use it. I love the hypocrisy.

[syedrasheed23]

the difference is prophet harun was a prophet himself.

[alishah321]

@syedrasheed23

Prophet (PBUH) clearly said to Imam Ali (A.S) that you have the same resemblence to me as Hurun(A.S) had to Musa (A.S), except that no prophet will come after me. This is narrated by numerous sunni books. He is not doing qiyas , he is proving from Quran.

[DefendDeen]

@Alishah you have blind faith in Ammar.

He is doing Qiyas. The Prophet (sawas) never told the people they have to believe in Ali's (as) lord. Also, qiyas means analogy and Ammar is using an analogy from the Quran.

[alishah321]

No body thinks Ali as lord, if he does he is wrong. This is misconception. Secondly Quran gives u hints about the things. As Allah says in quran that there are signs in this holy book for believers. Thirdly u guys by urself say that qiyas is allowed in deen, what does that mean?

[DefendDeen]

I never made such statement. Stop going off tangents. When the people said We believe in Prophet Haroon's (as) Lord they said it because he is a Prophet. Prophets receive Wahi, so this is what they were confirming. As for Qiyas its halaal for us, but not for you. Therefore, I see a contradiction on Ammar's example. .

[alishah321]

Its true that some people say that Ali is God. WHich is haram/shirk. Why do they say that because their forefathers had seen some of his action, then they started saying oh Ali you are God. This was forbidden by Ali (A.S). Secondly what he is saying is 'aql' not 'qiyas'. Go and study the difference between two. thanks.

[DefendDeen]

We are not discussing the ghulat beliefs. Also, the problem with you is that you don't know what either aql or qiyas means. Aql is when you have ahadith available, and you match it with the Quran. Ammar says the condition of the sahada to accept both Prophet Musa (as) and Prophet Haroon (as). This is fine. However, he hasn't provided a hadith where RasoolAllah (sawas) told the people of Mecca to believe in the lord of Rasoolullah (sawas) and the lord of Imam Ali (as).

[DefendDeen]

Alishah you have to stop being stubborn. If you want proof I can bring traditions from Shaykh Al Tusi where he points out that the waliyah addition to the shadah is bidah. He says its correct in meaning, but its bidah to add it. Ammar is using Qiyas without a doubt, and I can use Shaykh Tusi's works to prove him wrong. However, people like yourself believe Ammar is infallible, and you will only close your eyes and plug your ears when I bring proof.

[alishah321]

Look man, now don't say that you don't believe in this hadith, when prophet(pbuh) said ya ali hv the same relation to me as moosa has to haroon except that there will be no prophet after me. This hadith is in ur sunni books at numerous locations. What you infer from this hadith? aql or qiyas?

[DefendDeen]

I don't have a problem with the ahadith. However, he is using qiyas from the Quran after that. Also, if you have time look up what Shaykh Tusi said regarding the shahada. Personally, I don't think you know what either aql or qiyas means.

[syedrasheed23]

their is no hadith or anything saying ali is the successor in shia hadith or sunni hadith. plz tell me if u can find it. and another thing the reason magians said tht was b.c harun was also a nabi but ali wasnt so u dont have to say it. if tht were the case we would include abu bakr in the shadah too!

[alishah321]

Successorship is from God. As Mosa nominated Harun his successor with the will of God, same as our Prophet(pbuh) nominated Ali(a.s) as his successor with the will of God by raising his hand and saying 'Man Kunt-o-Mola Fahaza Ali-un Mola" This hadith is widely accepted in ahl-sunnat. Also there is an ayath in Quran stating that after this declaration Deen is complete now. U can't take shahadah of abu-bukar, because his khilafah was not from the God.

[DefendDeen]

I've already told you that the classical scholars of the Imami shias declared the Ali Un Wali addition to the shahada to be bidah. Our Kalma is There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is his Messenger. Any addition to that is Bidah.

[abasimustafa]

@DefendDeen There is no addition. We say Ali'an wali'ullah.

Do you know what Wali mean? obviously not. No problem. Even your scholar don't know what it means. It has got the same meaning as khalifa of allah or ameer of allah..in your case You guys called Yazeed like that. and you guys still call omar like that. So whats the problem.

[DefendDeen]

@abasimustafa Who cares what you say! Its still not proof that the sahada consists of 3 parts. Also I don't consider Yazid Muslim. As for Umar (ra) we don't add him to the Kalma like your scholar Ammar did.

[ToGathering]

are u serious ahahahahh SUNNIS ARE U BLINDR WHAT ??? its full writed in YOUR SUNNI SAHIH BOOKS

May Allah open the eyes of SUNNIS :)

[DefendDeen]

The extended Sahada ? Even the classical scholars of the Imami are call it bidah.

[syedrasheed23]

ok if its in our books plz find it mr. noe it all. u seem like u noe a lot . then find it big shot. and by the way shism came after 300 years after imam ali and all ahul bayt deaths. imam ali didnt create shism. all the ahul bayt and imam ali were ahle sunna. there was no such thing as shism at the time of the shabas. u can do ur own research on tht.

[Musclekay]

@syedrasheed23 do u know what shia means? shia means supporter... and the true shia were the ones who fought with imam hussein in the battle of karbala. the true supporters who didnt not betray the imams.. even if i call my self shia i am not a true shia, i am only a person following ahlul bayt. and even if i call my self shia.. it means i support ahlul bayt

[syedrasheed23]

i dont have anything against shia. they are our muslim brothers. we are muslims at the end.

[MSH786]

@syedrasheed23 But yes, I agree with you here. We are all Muslims at the end of the day, regardless if we are Sunni or Shia.