The Dangers, Results, and History of Decisional Regeneration

[SlopeObadiah]

In the early centuries it was the attack on the deity of Christ. During the Reformation it was the defence of the Gospel. Today the biggest evil facing the world is making a decision to follow Christ. Without the prophets of neo-Calvinism we might have continued in our folly. Decisionism is terrible. Don't decide anything! Don't get baptised or choose a church to got to. That is synergism. Just read heavy books and sit on the fence. The more books the more you'll be like the great LaneCH.

[hotterupper]

While I agree with the statements in this video about the falseness of decisional regeneration, I think they could have done much better by quoting more scripture to support so many of those true declarations. Let God be true, and every man a liar!

[CBALLEN]

Finney taught that salvation was the work of man and that to believe Jesus imputed His righteousness to believers was ridiculous.It was Finney that was ridiculous.

[jmcclellan54321]

why is he sitting on a leather sofa outdoors??? are they attempting to be artsy or something? lol

[SuperCjstyles]

I see where you are coming from, but I don't see how you are helping the Church by posting this sort of thing. Obviously the invitation system has been, and is being, abused in certain quarters, but how are you helping? Are you suggesting that there is no answer to the question What must I do to be saved? Are people to go away and fast and pray for several months? Is that what you think the Bible teaches? The modern Reformed approach seems to replace the altar call with a book recommendation.

[VictorLepanto]

In essense, you are merely complaining that not everyone preaches on the basis of Calvinistic presuppositions. Well, eveyone is not a Calvinist. Perhaps Calvinism is wrong. Perhaps Jesus is constantly pouring out His mercies on all flesh constantly. In that case, we are merely in need of being made aware of the outpouring Christ's grace which continually surrounds us. So, the ultimate source of the conversion is not our decision, but our choosing to cooperate w/ grace.

[timpoiu]

The tragedy of "Decisional Regeneration " is not asking people to make a decision.. The tragedy is preachers taking the place of the Holy Spirit and then telling people you are saved now.. because of some decision

The proof of being born again is you are different now.. SOMETHING has changed and GOD continues the work HE has begun

[timpoiu]

Christianity is not US telling God we are saved. It is the Holy Spirit bearing witness with our Spirit that we are saved.. Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

[fertileground]

I remember reading Finney's autobiography and being impressed by the "revivals" he started. In his last days he taught in a seminary, which may be why his methods are so common today.

[RMCDisciple]

Offer a man a free steak dinner (Heaven) or a beating in the alley with a steel pipe (hell). What do you think he will choose? See anything wrong with this type of evangelism?

[db4805]

Let The Word of God Do the Work of God

[OpenAirOutreach]

To sin or not is mans choice: Rom. 6:13, 6:19, 1 Cor. 10:13, 1 Co. 15:34, Eph. 4:26,

To be saved or not is mans choice: 2 Cor. 5:20

Men are saved by choice: Rom. 6:17, 1 Pet. 1:22-23

Repentance is mans choice: Matt. 11:20

[joshswisher]

To sin is definitely man's choice and yet God hardens men unto sin while himself remaining sinless. We read in Exodus 4:21, " And the LORD said to Moses, When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I WILL HARDEN HIS heart, so that he will not let the people go." We know that Pharaoh CHOSE to sin by disobeying God's command. At the same time we see that he did this BECAUSE God hardened Pharaoh's heart. See also 2 Chron. 10:15.

[joshswisher]

To be saved is definitely not man's choice for God said to Moses " I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion" From this we see according to Paul that, "it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy". (Romans 9:15,16).

[joshswisher]

...Yet, man does choose to repent and believe thus receiving salvation. This however is because God chose to show mercy to that man and then brings him to repentance and faith whereby the benefits of the cross are applied. John 6:37,44,45,65

[daveme7]

Lain, I love this video. So much truth in it. I hope you do not mind me placing this on myspace under my profile, probably not the first one I got from you.

God bless

Dave Emme

[heart4moocows]

As if Jonathan Edwards' Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God didn't terrify people into professing the faith... right. Somehow I don't think that fear-induced conversions are legitimate or Biblically supported. Where are the Calvinists to condemn this form of emotional "evangelism?"

I love how he denounces the AUGUSTINIAN doctrine of baptismal regeneration on grounds that it violates divine sovereignty. Hahaha. I thought Calvinists believed Augustine was on their side. :P

[metroidsax]

there is nothing in religion beyond the ordinary powers of nature... because they are wholly disinclined to obey God, God clears it up before their minds, and pours in a blaze of convincing light which they cannot withstand, and they yield to it, obey God, and are saved." (Lectures on Revivals of Religion) it's obvious that he goes back and forth. I'm still trying to understand how or why. I'll bring it up in class tomorrow and see if anyone understands how this happens

[naos71381]

How dare you take the words of a man of God like Charles Finney an twist them and take them completely out of context. deceivers you will answer to God for this one day

[LaneCh]

Which comments are you referring to specifically that are taken out of context?

[RPenta]

@LaneCh

As a Catholic of the Roman variety, I say this: the more I view videos regarding Calvinism, the more grateful I am that I belong to a church with a teaching authority that goes back to Jesus, and not to a mere man--John Calvin and his poisonous, anti-human and elitist doctrines.

Calvinists walk the tightrope by having to proclaim the mercy and goodness of a god who is so sovereign that he concedes most of humankind to the Devil.

[gdoggydog05]

@RPenta

teaching authority that goes back to jesus and not mere men huh?

lol yeah cause the catholic church is "infallible" and the pope has never "changed his mind.

oh yeah, theres no purgatory anymore? did you hear john paul say that one? guess one of the popes

was fallible

[ILive4Him28]

The video mentioned a 90% fall-away rate due to the method of decisional regeneration. From a calvinist point of view, is this because of a poor presentation of the Gospel, or were these people not elect, or perhaps, regenerated, which I think is what must happen before one will accept the Gospel, correct? ALSO, you would say we have free will ,but because of our sin nature, we will never will to come after God until He first regenerates us, which produces repentance and faith, correct?

[PhilGeissler]

Very good question ILive4Him28. I would like to answer to it also.

[jorelk]

Even if no person were ever saved again, we are still called to preach the true gospel. We do not preach for results. We preach the gospel because it glorifies God.

Thank you Lane for the video

[ILive4Him28]

But if that's true, that modern-day evangelism techniques are all wrong, what difference does it make? The elect will be saved anyway, one day, some day. So in the end, what difference does it make?

[LaneCh]

What do you hold are the means that God uses to bring in the elect?

[ILive4Him28]

The Gospel of course! But Im just trying to understand what the problem is. If the elect will never perish, and the non-elect will never repent, then why does it matter anyway? In the end, the elect will believe no matter what, and the non-elect will dry up like weeds sprayed with weed-killer and be thrown into the fire. I am TRYING to understand.

[LaneCh]

Well, if the means that God uses to bring in the elect is the Gospel, shouldn't we be making every effort to ensure that we have the Gospel right?

I think this may help you, too. You say, "In the end, the elect will believe no matter what,"

Believe what?

[ILive4Him28]

Oh, of course we should make every effort to ensure that we have the Gospel right. No argument with you there. I'm just trying to understand though, how will an unbiblical Gospel presentation keep the elect from God? If they are elect, they will eventually believe no matter what.

[LaneCh]

The elect have to believe the true Gospel, right? If the elect believes a false Gospel and ultimately ends up believing a false Gospel, they're not elect. The elect will eventually believe the true Gospel. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't care about what the true Gospel is. I guess the question that really needs to be answered is, "Do you believe that the elect can be saved by believing a false Gospel?"

[ironclad452]

Lane has done a good job explaining, but perhaps this would help:

Romans 10:13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

[ironclad452]

My last comment was supposed to be a reply to ILive4Him28 and even though I hit the "reply" link, it posted it at the end of the thread instead of beneath the replied-to post. d'oh!

[ILive4Him28]

Thanks, got it in my inbox after coming home from church. I'm aware of Romans 10:13, and I preach the gospel. I'm just trying to learn how things work from a calvinistic point of view.

[LaneCh]

ILive4Him28, I have a pair of videos calling "Does Calvinism Stop Evangelism..." by James White. These videos might help you with this subject, as well. Also, there are two other videos called "If Election is True, Why Evangelize?" and "If Predestination is True, Why Evangelize?" I think these will help you with this as well.

[rlcain]

Danny,

This may be too simplistic but it seems only 1 of these 2 are correct.

All men who choose God are saved

or

all men God chooses are saved.

repentence and faith are always the means (agreead by both), but God is the cause not man.

that's basically the calv/armen debate.

How could i be prideful in claiming it was me who caused it when i know thats not the case.

We must lay it all at the feet of Christ.

don't lie, tell the truth, preach the Gospel!!

[simplydannygirl]

Well, Lane I have say...... Sorry about that . You have my very deepest apoligies. Please forgive me.

Now, what happened to your to most of the comments you made to me??? They are gone.

What was I supposed to think? Your comments are gone and my video response is gone.

It's good to see you are honest man, with Christian integrity.

Will send it again.

Thanks

Danny

[EzekielRomans]

Lane, thanks for posting this. True meat, when most of what I see out there is fluff. I have to admit I was very hostile against this very teaching when I first watched it (the whole series). After a while though, all my hatred couldn't win against how biblical it is. I had come to a point that all my striving against it was simply kicking against God. God broke through my hostility, unclinched my jaw, loosened my fists, and I soon found them to be glorious and God-honoring truths.

[LaneCh]

That's great to hear! Please let me know if I can ever be of assistance. Take care, friend.

[simplydannygirl]

Yeah, Lane. Only the people who praise you. No real guts to deal with people disagree. No love either. And I have challegened you on that many times. With out love, your guys at Lane's Blog is just making noise.

Not very Christian of you to allow me to video repond. Then cut me out.

Danny

[LaneCh]

Danny, what in the world are you talking about? I'm seriously at a loss here. I notice that your video is no longer posted here. I had nothing to do with that. Did you post it as a response to someone else's video, too? If so, it isn't going to show up here because it only allows you to post it once. Listen, I'm trying to work with you, but all your rhetoric is not only not needed, it is not Christian. Straighten up.

[LaneCh]

Danny, I got your pm, too. I honestly have no idea what happened. Post it again, and hopefully it will stay up. Accusing me for removing it, though, is false. I give you my word that I did nothing of the sort.

[EzekielRomans]

Did I run over your cat while posting? I am not sure why there is continued name-calling and vilification. I have apologized multiples times if there was a misunderstanding, and I have never called you names - just asked you questions.

Here's your growing tally of your descriptions of me in case you were interested: reading problems, argumentative spirit, nasty, unapologetic, unloving, unchristian, totally nutty, desperate, bitter, deceiving, muslim, phony, fraud.

[EzekielRomans]

Which brings me full-circle to Matt. 12:34b. "...out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". Which my friend means that if you really want to know what someone's heart condition is....just listen to them speak....or in this cause write.

[EzekielRomans]

There is nothing wrong with systematic (orderly) theology. God is a God of order and classifications -- look at nature. And we should expect to find the same in Scripture. Unless you expect God to be choatic and disconnected with His own thoughts. We should test and examine our classifications against His truth. If it fails in any part - throw it away. Trinity (the term) is man-made, but it codifies biblical truth. Doctrines of Grace (the term) is man-made, but codifies biblical truth.

[simplydannygirl]

Was Calvin even born when the Scripture was written? lol! You make two great mistakes. I love Calvin. He wrotes some very good things I throughly enjoy, which puzzels me why you are not teaching. It effects us today.

2nd, you put Calvin above the word of God. As though it was the word of God. Calvin in is "predestination" and "elect" teaching he was in error. I say this in love. I have deep respect for the refomers.

One must go strictly by the bible. Not a man's unnessary burden.

[LaneCh]

"Kindly show me where in scripture we are told to test any teachings against Calvinism or Spurgeon, and so on."

Kindly show a comment that I've ever said that we shouldn't test any teaching against Scripture. The point is that you can't because it's never happened as long as I've been a Christian. Testing the teachings on soteriology against Scripture is the main reason that I believe that the systematic theology known as Calvinism is the true exposition of it. Your straw man is inane.

[simplydannygirl]

"systematic theology known as Calvinism is the true exposition of it. Your straw man is inane"

My uh, "straw man" would be Jesus the Word of Life. The Word of God Himself. I take the Word of God at "His Word".

Lane you have been fightting with the arminialist so long you do not know how to decern Christians. You are caught up in "isms" and "ist". I believe in Biblism and I am a Biblist. If you want to accuse me of that. Go for it!

Do you not take God at His Word? I do.

Danny

[AllForYeshua]

It is true that we see people within these cotton candy style churches not truly repentant and coming to know Jesus. We see just as many coming out of Calvinism, not knowing Jesus. Within Calvinism, they become so focused on the teachings of men and their own wisdom gained in doing such, that they too, miss the truth found only in the Lord. It's hopping from one extreme to the other, but both from the worship of man and not the Lord. The answer is in why some are saved from both, yet many not?

[LaneCh]

This is such garbage that it's not even worth replying to... but I will.

"Within Calvinism, they become so focused on the teachings of men and their own wisdom gained in doing such, that they too, miss the truth found only in the Lord."

Name an example. Propaganda doesn't get you far around here.

[AllForYeshua]

("Within Calvinism, they become so focused on the teachings of men and their own wisdom gained in doing such, that they too, miss the truth found only in the Lord.")

I am not here to speak against individuals, but I will speak against unbiblical theology of man. Until I came to your site, I didn't realize this one existed. The error in any given theology is determined by how it stands up to scripture, where it rightfully should be tested, not against Calvinism.

[crazedbagpiper]

What!?! Sir, (AllForYeshua) I do not know how you can reject Calvinism based on it not standing up to Scripture. Calvinism is rooted in sound exigeses and careful study of Scripture; we did not just come up with these teachings ourselves. In fact the more I study the Bible the more "Calvinistic" I become. Before you accuse Calvinism of being unbiblical I suggest you do a little more homework. Look at some of James White's videos on the subject, and read Romans (pay close attention to ch 8-9)

[AllForYeshua]

Kindly show me where in scripture we are told to test any teachings against Calvinism or Spurgeon, and so on. There is only 1 Word that we are to test EVERY teaching by.

2 Timothy 3:15-16 and that from childhood thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

not Cavinism.

[MetroPraise]

go street witnessing and see how many people say, "God is not calling me" or they say "i did that (salvation) 3 years ago, im going to heaven, but im just not living right" that is the result of YOUR kind of preaching!!! i meet em' everytime... YOUR DOCTRINE of DEMONS caused that DAMNABLE LIE!

[MetroPraise]

and by the WAY we as CHRISTIANS AGREE 100% with what the video is SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think Calvinism is the way to RESPOND to this "easy-believism" stuff... LANECh i want to debate you next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to show in the word that you can do all that you desire and still REJECT TULIP!!!!

[LaneCh]

Actually, "MetroPraise", it's not because of the doctrines of grace that that is prevalent, it's in spite of them. It's a distortion of what Calvinism is and certain people take it and pervert it. It's just like someone perverting the Bible saying that it teaches we should kill homosexuals indiscriminately. Just because someone perverts what the Bible actually and truly holds, it doesn't mean that there's something wrong with the Bible. Nice caricature, though.

[LaneCh]

"LANECh i want to debate you next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I just won't block you from commenting on my videos. You do a pretty good job of proving our case all by yourself most of the time. :)

[LaneCh]

If you'd really like to prove that it's worth debating you, though, provide one indicative verse from Scripture affirming the philosophy of "free"-will. If you can do that, I'll consider debating you. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.

[MetroPraise]

im done chatting with you... you can play the "im too smart" or "there too busy" lie, but i pity you... GROW UP and LETS GET IT ON!!!!!

[LaneCh]

lol... Provide that indicative verse. That's all you need to do. Is that too hard? I guess so if it isn't there. You do know what "indicative" means, don't you? If not, I can pm you with the definition.

Aside from that, please refrain from the rhetoric. It really doesn't help your position, but I guess that doesn't matter much to people who employ such phrases as "LETS GET IT ON!!!!!" and imply that I need to grow up in the same "sentence".

Classic.

[simplydannygirl]

Lane. Your Funny. So you say this to everyone who disagrees wit this teaching.... And I was going to take it personal......

Nahhhh! No I wasn't! Just kidding with you. You do have a sense of humor Lane. I just know you do. Lighten up Guy.

Still this teaching puts to much burden on men, as I have taken you to task many times. But we can all agree and disagree in love. Or we Christian are a very sad bunch.

God Bless you Lane

Danny!

[simplydannygirl]

Strong lanauge! lol! Personally I think it is gross error on Mark Keilar's part. It is very much Calvinism. It's silly. 12 step to in 3-4sub division directories??? Who can stand?

It would easy to pass the New York state Bar exam then to get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This is Man made burden that wrong. I'd tone it down on that "Damnable" stuff. In their Zeal for the Lord they forget that God wants to save souls. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. He call sinners to repentence.

[LaneCh]

Danny,

I'm sorry, but yet again, I'm left wondering what in the world you're talking about. It's like you're not even conversing with anyone on this page. I have no clue what you're referring to.

[simplydannygirl]

Oh "Again", Huh? So you have heard from me many times...... And you forget?

How long are you going to hide behind that Lane?

The dangers of "Decisional Regeneration". Who deciedes to be "regenerated". No, we excpet the invitation to the call of repentence and Salvation. You got it wrong.

12 parts In 3-4+ sub Division directories? How can any man live up to theses man made standards? But I said more in dept. Read the other comments again here on this video again.

God Bless

Danny

[EzekielRomans]

Hey Danny,

Thought I could find you here. It was Matt.12:34b that I was referring to -- not so much the Matt.12:34a part that I was referencing or directing at you - my bad. You asked "How can we know what is in our heart" if I remember....the same question as you pointed out is asked in Jeremiah, and an answer is given in Matt. 12:34b..."out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Our tongue is evil because our heart is evil (prior to God changing it). I really do wish you well.....:)

[EzekielRomans]

I never called you such a thing. I simply gave you a verse to look at. You recieved it in a way I never intended. As I said, it was my fault for not giving you the context (referencing your question), and specifically what area of the verse to focus on. I'm sorry. However, I haven't in any of my posts resorted to name-calling or vilifying you - which still even now, characterizes your posts and specifically your descriptions of me.

[Elenas62]

Terriegal, I completely agree with you. There are the believers who have the Holy Spirit's indwelling and everyone else. The Lord has opened up my eyes to being delivered out of the Catholic church, out of the New Age movement and over the past year I have been understanding about the Last Days! He is amazingly Faithful!!!

[Elenas62]

Thank you...It truly is a work of the Holy Spirit to be delivered out of the Catholic Church...it's followers blindly follow it with a very scary loyalty.

[terriergal]

That is wonderful Elenas. However there are only two churches - the true church (everyone who has been made alive by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God) and the false church (everyone else). It is a work of the Holy Spirit for anyone to be delivered out of any church, including the Catholic church. :-)

[Elenas62]

Praise God for this truth....how tragic there are so many who think they are saved and are not. The church is full of goats and not sheep. I went through all the Catholic 'rituals' growing up and I was not saved. The Lord saved me when I called out to him when I was 39 years old. Now I know I am saved. I was changed!!!

[Elenas62]

Praise God for this truth....how tragic there are so many who think they are saved and are not. The church is full of goats and not sheep. I went through all the Catholic 'rituals' growing up and I was not saved. The Lord saved me when I called out to him when I was 39 years old. Now I know I am saved. I was changed!!!

[DianeSumler]

I am proud of you Elena S for coming out of the false Catholic Church and following the Holy Spirit that leads us into all TRUTH!

[tuanchijui]

I think the time for telling God we will follow him is over. WE NEED TO JUST FOLLOW HIM.

great video

[GPLeague]

Fantastic ending. Come to CHRIST directly. No middleman. Go straight to the only one who can save you. Amen.

[vegetadingle]

this is great teaching praise the lord

[illbehonest]

very excellent stuff. Praise the Lord

[1OfTheRest]

Why is this "no longer available"? It looked very interesting...

[aeSentinel]

It's still available, but I've experienced that problem several times in Ubuntu 7.10, if that's what you happen to be using. If you update to the latest Ubuntu or try a different computer, it should be fine.

[RMCDisciple]

"I" made the decision at 16 and looking back I didn't know the Lord Jesus Christ from an apple tree. If you'd have asked me I would have told you I was saved. I was under a deception. "He" saved me at 44 years old and his hand of protection was always over me. Like Paul on the Damascus road; I was instantly manure and God set me free.

[meinaim]

yes RMC same here. Made my decision at about 14 after being raised in a Christian home, no change - no nothing.

God was very very patient with me untill my marriage was almost done and my life just the same at the age 32.

Now he saved me. Now I know that he is mighty to save and to change and I praise him for his Grace and Mercy!

[2good1]

@RMCDisciple This is Regeneration in action.......

[insaner169]

its so awesome to see some good, solid doctrine on youtube

[valambiguous]

HI HO... HI HO... it's off to WORKS we go...whistle along if ya' know it..

[nodoubt257]

val,I don't get it, sorry.

[valambiguous]

nodoubt257: In Walt Disney's popular film, Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, there is a part in the film, when while on their way to work, the Seven Dwarfs, actually whistled, and sang... "Hi Ho,Hi Ho, it's off to work we go"... Being that a decision is actually a "WORK", I thought it timely to associate this video with THAT part of the film. I'll send you a video of the film, so that you can see what I'm talking about.

[BBDSeeBaseOfCan]

who is speaking at the beginning of this vid?

[thebigsheepman]

Thanks Lane.

[j331772]

Upon recently being introduced to Calvinism, I recognized it as scriptural truth. The very system described in this video had confused me for years. It left a perpetual disconnect between grace and my choice. I was never sure what saved - my prayer or God. Seeing the truth has been so freeing, but now I'm trying to convince my Christian family of God's true method of salvation.

[j331772]

I feel like I'm of another religion trying to convert them. They don't dare let go of the notion of free will. That would make God evil in their eyes.

[gtrjunky]

I sympathize with your plight. I have friends and family who hate this doctrine. It scares me when I hear them talk that way.

[HeReformedMe]

I know what you're saying, often times they look at me as if they are saying "who are you to tell anyone of the scriptures?"

It is difficult to remain patient and gentle at times, but unless we do, they will never listen. Pray my friend...Pray....

[replikantzero]

i am no hyper-calvinist, but i do agree with sound calvinist orthodoxy, as a good presbyterian. sound doctrine, knowledge, and study destroys untruth. and sadly, heaven will not be crowded. i am sorry to say that. but it is so true. the true terror of God must hit you first, then you begin to experience the right to become his child. otherthan this, you are his enemy, pure and simple. no in between.

[replikantzero]

if you experience suffering and discipline, you are on the narrow path to life. i must attest--not all can even survive the severity and rigor of this process, because it calls for you to forsake yourself totally, and to be supernaturally reborn, and totally cleansed of sin nature. it is like spiritual surgery. but only God can perform this procedure. to crucify the flesh is no joke. it hurts. crucifixion hurts. you are called to "arm your mind to suffer". that is biblical, and unrefutably so.

[replikantzero]

Peter talked of an altar, where gold an silver was placed, then hay, stubble, and such, and fire comes down to prove it, to burn away what is worthless, and keep what is of worth. todays modern evangelism is mainly driven by profit, like a pyramid scheme. know that the conversion process involves intense suffering, discipline, and baptism in the holy spirit, to cleanse and sanctify you. if you live in comfort, you are facing condemnation. God is ignoring you. that is scriptural.

[replikantzero]

even your prayer for salvation to an absolutely pure and holy God is like acid in his ears, and foul trash before his throne. God must draw you up, to help you recognize the doom you are truly in. then, God begins a cleansing and a healing work. Even Jesus said:"you cannot put new wine into an old wineskin, lest the wineskin burst, and both wine and wineskin are destroyed."

[replikantzero]

that is simply not true. Mark kielar is loving. he is telling the truth from sound theology. and it is absolutely true--you do not choose God. he chooses you. you cannot choose God. see, its not that you don't want to, its that you won't. we choose a version of God that fits us conveniently, not the God the bible teaches of. the level of decay and corruption in the human heart is insurmountable except divine intervention occur.

[jimandlea]

Excellent job Lane. 5***** My head is swimming with responses to others responses, and because of that I am not going to reply as to keep it short. Thanks my friend, and may God continue to bless you and your ministry. Jim

[CatholicandOrthodox]

The Kingdom of Heaven is now. In each part. Our calling is to partake in the life of God now. The purification comes by the Holy Ghost. This is sent by the Father at the request of the son. Jesus is our God who came to show us how to live the life of God and reclaim the immortality and divine life that we lost in Eden.

All Glory and Honor is his.

[CatholicandOrthodox]

Also, Protestantism has inherited the self loathing that was a product of Roman doctrine starting with Augustine. This is not the teachings of the Orthodox Church. We are created in Gods image. We have inherited the "consequences" of Adam's sin, not the actual guilt. Those consequences are that we die and that we sin. When Christ died on the cross he did it as the perfect man and as God. He was the new Adam in perfect obedience to his Father.

[CatholicandOrthodox]

The problem with Finney is the problem with Evagelicalism in general. In the Protestant desire to seperate themselves from the corrupt hierarchy of the Roman Church. We Orthodox understand that. But where this went wrong is that each man became his own Pope; decioding theology according to their own understanding. Orthodoxy addresses this with Church Councils. The foundation of the faith is based in the 7 Councils, Scripture and the writing of the Church Fathers.

[tobigforyou]

Hey Lane can I download this video?

[tobigforyou]

Joel Olsteen in 4:54 LOL

WHAT A CROOK!!!!

I have my own faults.

I try to serve the Lord, I fall short.

but man this guy is just a down right crook.

[tobigforyou]

great Theology brother.

[undivided809]

I believe we ought to do things old school. When evangelists preached God's justice, God's judgment on sinners, the Cross, and repentance and faith. They left the Holy Spirit to do the converting and did not manipulate the people into making a decision.

Altar calls are fine imo as long as the call was to repentance and faith. It's the manipulation that i'm so disgusted with.

[simplydannygirl]

Umm? Qestion? Are we not Christ here? Can disagree and still love each other in Christ Y'shua? The world will know Jesu by our love for one another. Love never fails. So my question as follows, do you only acknowledge the people whom agree with you?

God Bless

Danny

[LaneCh]

"So my question as follows, do you only acknowledge the people whom agree with you?"

No, I acknowledge heretics, too. Finney is presented in this very video. The issue is, though, I acknowledge heretics, but I don't agree with them.

[simplydannygirl]

Lane,

I have Facecious character if you have not guessed by now. Even when I don't agree with another Christians. I still love them in Christ. And hope God will give them or me insight into this.

We should always walk in love. Love never fails.

God Bless

Danny

[simplydannygirl]

Finney was no Hertic. I have read many of rights..... It not right or Christian to maglign this good man in this way.

As young Chraistian I never read him. But I would see many of his books in Christian Books store. There was nothing but good things said about him. But this generation has turned him into heritic. It's a falsehood.

As I find myself interested in Revival.

The Baptist were not real fond of him in his day either. All these divisions. I'm just Protestant Non Denomial Christian.

[rlcain]

Danny, how are we commanded to love? In action and in truth. We do not love, but rather hate when we lie to people.

If I told you a doctor had a cure for your illness and told you you were cured because you made a decision to be cured I would be lying to you. The doctor must administer the medicine for it to work. (very bad example but it gets to the point.)

For 15 years my decision blasphemed Christ, until God saved me.

We can never "come to God" if God doesn't come to us first.

[simplydannygirl]

I see...But how do we come to Him in the place first place? By hearing the Word. So someone is sent by God. Is that not then a invitation?

As for deceision. Do we except his calling or no. There has to be a decision. what about Romans 10:9-13. We hear, we believe, we repent, we confess. None of the work of Salvation is done by us. But to make a decision to send ourselves to hell or except his work of Grace. We can not earn it.

Love to discuss more if you want

Thanks for responding

[simplydannygirl]

Ah, I get what you are saying....But are you not confusing it with learning the process of dying to self. Cruifxing the flesh. Putting away the old man, the old man corrupting us, and his deeds?

But that is a process. Salvation is instant once you come to understanding of Romans 10:9-13 and John 3:16-18.

Danny

[LaneCh]

simplydannygirl, so you were being sarcastic? It's extremely hard to tell in comments because of a lack of tone due to text.

[simplydannygirl]

Sacastic, no. Funny at times yes! Lighten up. The joy of the Lord is your strength.

One can disagree. But I like to put a smile. You guys are so intense. You really mean what you say. But where the love? And where is joy in Lord?

Some jus called a Arimianist and Plegerist. I can barely spell it. I am neither,Just a biblist. lol. But man, how loving this guy was. Ah, Christian Love to one another.........

"if the righteous are scarely saved, what will be the sinner and ungoldy?"

[simplydannygirl]

Televangelist are the biggest phonies. That's low blow. Is that all you can do is tell people that are not saved and can not be saved until they go through 12 theological steps. lol! Who can be saved? How many people are Divinity students, anyway? They just need to know how to get sins washed away.

So will you now tell in simplity of the salvation of Christ, what must one do to be saved? Do they have to take a written test first?

[LaneCh]

"Is that all you can do is tell people that are not saved and can not be saved until they go through 12 theological steps. lol! Who can be saved?"

If your church history went a little past the time that your parents were alive, you'd know that your theology actually does present the steps describing how salvation occurs. In fact, the 5 points of Calvinism weren't originally the first 5 points. They were a response to you guy's 5 points. :)

[Deesrickchevrolet]

Keep up Gods work Lane..

We need the TRUTH be Be told, Scriptually, not by any man made religions.

The question is when will you follow up. We all know it takes time. Untill the next vid, I'll keep my eye in the word (truth) and on the Lord

As usual, a 10+

God bless you Lane

[simplydannygirl]

Aw Come on. Joel Osteen the Prosperity motivational speaker? He's a fruad. But the ones before were real thing. You make recieving God's salvation so diffifult. Who can saved? At no point do you to make being save identifiable.What love is this? And He does stand at the door and knock.He is not willing that any man persish.But His grace is not cheap.And Joel osteen is a joke.He's only preaching this because Prosperity preachng not popular anymore.

But you guys need to have more love. Osteen?

[LaneCh]

"At no point do you to make being save identifiable."

Of course, Arminians/Semi-Pelagians are notorious for taking things out of context. It's no surprise here that you've taken this video out of the context of the 400+ others that I've posted. :)

[LaneCh]

"But you guys need to have more love."

So if you believe someone is in error, you believe that you shouldn't let them know?

1) You're being hypocritical if so because you're letting us know that we're in error.

2) You have a strange definition of "love" if that is so.

[simplydannygirl]

I agree if someone is in error, you should let them know. But you seem more interested in teaching Decision regeneration is wrong. But your right and wrong at the same time.A sinner must be saved first then grow up in the lord.First they are babes in Christ. To spiritual maturity. The Parable of the sower 2 types of Christians.One on throny ground. The other on good ground.The other choked and does not produce. Where the other grow 60/100 times. But mnay Christians are on throny ground today.

[LaneCh]

"I agree if someone is in error, you should let them know. But you seem more interested in teaching Decision regeneration is wrong."

Danny, I'm still waiting on a statement from you that actually makes sense.

[simplydannygirl]

One more think Lane,is not Mark Kielar really being loving.All he teaches is that we can not make a decision.Where is the Love telling people they can know when they saved and you can not make a decesion to recieve the salvation in Christ. One has to say yes or no if there a invitation to yeild to call of God's salvation by a preacher or evengelist. How are they suppoes to ever be saved. Then I will ask you, when does a Christian know he/she is saved and are they elect? At what point do u know?

[simplydannygirl]

as for text John3:16-18, Romans 10:9-13, 2cor 5:18-6

As for tex. John 3:16-18, Romans 10:9-13,2 cor 5:18-6:1-2.

Ann many others. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. This not know if you are saved is a heavy unessary burden. You can now. Then prosper (mature growth, not finanical) in the Lord.

;

[simplydannygirl]

And Lane, please forgive me for being so foward. It was never to be insulting or rude. I just struggly disagree with this teaching. But Christ are going to disagree sometimes. We should still be loving.

God Bless

Danny

[Glorthac]

Are you going to post the follow-up video promised?

[soccermastax]

well put, especially about spent coals. that is one issue that I see happening all the time around me and makes me sick. but for the most part, good job.

[replikantzero]

so essentially, one should be horrified by sin, if one experinces true conversion, and should realize the full danger they are in. you don't see this anymore, anywhere. church is so casual and playful, full of picnics and seminars. i don't get it anymore.

[replikantzero]

the scary thing about all this is: i had drawn all of these conclusions in my own personal studies, long before i discovered proper calvinist orthodoxy through presbyterianism. that cannot be coincidence, god is certainly drawing me. no pastor worth his salt ever taught me anything i learned just recently from paul washer or mark kielar. what they teach is the biblical truth, and i feel the horror of being lied to for so long, and for all the others hopelessly lost now.

[the13thof12]

Amen.

[replikantzero]

yep, thats mr. osteen, selling religion.

[youratm]

What a Great Ending.......

[jpmckown]

Someone need to send this to Jesse Morrell.

[ProclaimHisWord]

This was extremely insightful.

[jpmckown]

Excellent! *****