@MyTutorialFilms The Russian system only defended the front 70 degrees of the tank, and it often injured or killed any soldiers around it when it was activated. Trophy is much more accurate, and can provide protection all around the tank, even against rockets or missiles coming from the top.
@thebaskill u missunderstood or maybe i didnt write it clearly,mi point is that even if it only protects 70 degress ERA can stop anything that gets trought even the latest rpg.
Yes, because when one nation has tech, they should be the only ones to benefit from the advancement. If France suddenly developed a cure for cancer or a perfect space-traveling vehicle, France should be the only ones to ever have that ever. Yes?
What's to say that their scientists aren't just observing this new unveiled military technology and just figure out a way to do it themselves? Regardless, war technology is not something nations usually obtain through reputable means. Not a damn country on the planet hasn't pulled some dirty underhanded trick to gain the advantage. Idealism is ideal, but that's it. It stops just short of "real."
Kornets were used in 2006 in Lebanon, this is well documented. And an active protection system doesn't regard what kind of charge the missle has, because it's irelevant since the system intercepts in in flight.
Hizbollah fired altogether 500 ATGMs, some targeted infantry & buildings while others targeted armour. 51 IDF armour(merkavas II,III,IV) was hit while 24 pieces were penetrated causing 23 casualties R.I.P. Only 5 tundem charged ATGMs, which I would assume to be kornets, hit their targets killing 10 soldiers R.I.P.
Sorry, I didn't understand much of your comment. But i do know that Trophy is designed to coup with hash rounds and kinetic energy rounds wich are conventional warfare armament.
Listen on the 31st i'm going to see an armour display, and perheps we'll be shown the Trophy system so I'll know more than.
btw you can write in your native tounge i'll understand.
On 12 November 2009, Ph.D. Vladimir Korenkov, who led Russian state unitary enterprise “Basalt” from 2000 to 2009, stated that “The Israeli system of active protection of tanks, “Trophy”, as any other similar systems, can be evaded”. One of the activities of this enterprise was to develop rocket-propelled grenades, designed to destroy modern armament.
The rocket-propelled grenade RPG-30, according to Vladimir Korenkov, is designed to overcome these tank defense systems. "All the existing active protection systems in the world share the same idea. This is a radar homing at some distance, close or far, to destroy the target with a warhead that creates fragment stream and explosive field. These systems have common flaws. First of all, the duty cycle, i.e. the time interval of the system response to the threat.
RPG-30 easily defeats such a protection system. There is a smaller diameter precursor round in addition to the main round. This precursor acts as a false target spoofing the APS into engaging it and allowing the main round (following the precursor after a slight delay) a clear path to the target, while the APS is stuck in the 0.2 - 0.4 second delay needed to start its next engagement. This time interval is sufficient for defeating the Israeli system."
Unless they add 2 or more systems per side, and have them engage sequential targets, but as it sits, a single spoof would be enough to bypass the protection offered.
TROPHY maybe are not so good, because in the video it is on merkava 2-3, and i know that merkava 4 with good protection was got knocked out by kornete-e
@Russia1117 trophy was never installed in merkava 2-3, and in lebanon 2 trophy wasnt operational. merkava 4 was never destroyed, only damaged abit, merkava 2-3 were hit badly in that war. in 2010 an rpg was fired upon merkava 4 in gaza strip and the system trophy destroyed it, sence then trophy prevented 9 hits allready 100% succes rate.
@MrPizzapoika cus its done by israel :D no matter what the video will be about, if its related to some thing positive israel done, it will get dislikes by people who are so bored they are looking for these videos to dislike them
@otzelot68 Я понимаю, это сообщение надо было писать не мне, а Stepler666. Это он тут доказывает, что все изобретения украли у России или СССР. Я так не думаю. Я имел в виду , что нефиг жаловаться и завидовать западу , лучше бы подняли зарплату своим учёным и нормально финансировали новые проэкты, тогда бы был прогресс.
@Stepler666 Даже воровать не надо, все самые умные ученые бегут сами на запад, потому что в СНГ зарплата у них - хуйня. Не ценят в СНГ науку, вот и получается "утечка мозгов"... :-(
@canadaisthenorth i suppose it just takes out the fuel/proppelant unit of the incoming missile, instead of actually detonating the missile before impact.
@canadaisthenorth, would you rather the RPG is NOT stopped? This isn't promising to make your Army invincible, it's just reducing the damage, drastically.
so Ive been looking online, and couldnt seem to find much information on whether the US is investing in one of these several protection systems so if someone would enlighten me on the subject I would appreciate it.
That the trophy active anti-rpg system can shoot down rocket propelled grenades is no suprise to me. Whether or not it would be able to shoot down larger, faster missiles like a javelin or tow remains to be seen.
@SecuR0M Except that Raytheon still hasn't gotten Quick Kill to work, and there is concern that it cannot be used with lighter armored vehicles. We could be protecting our soldiers with Trophy today.
It, not that hard for a Muslim to understand. Allah will keep a Muslim down to the ground. If ever Iwere an Americajn, obamama Do downtown Chichigo. So let's have a nice dinner
@airsoftmanic I bet, but the range of the rocket-fuck field would have to be way bigger than it is for a vehicle right, and even then it might only cover the top of a building
i think i might just be a case of making the radar detection larger and the interception object (is it a bullet? rocket? no idea) a bit longer ranged.
and from what i can see, each of those little boxes is a self contained unit so just cover the building in it. would cost a bomb, but hey, you want to be safe and poor or dead and rich?
no trophy was offerd to the US army but they wanted to but an american system wont be ready for years also when a spiceal commition looked in to it the found that even when the american system will be ready the israeli system will still be far better
Non of them matter if the tank rolls over an IED buried in the street. So fuck all these systems. slat cages & reactive armor seem to work fine for Strikers. Can either system stop an EFP? I doubt it since I've seen those cut through M-1's like a hot knife through butter. And I mean all the way in & out the other side.
hazonku- Indeed IED's are a major problem, but that is not the reason trophy was designed. Slat cages and reactive armor add additional weight and dimensions to an armored vehicle limiting its mobility, transportability, and overall combat effectiveness. As for EFP's look up electric or electromagnetic reactive armor, it is specifically designed to defeat them.
besides you said arena is useless? WTF??? my money that you never even seen those 2 systems operate, that is just plain assumption from few youtube videos. as i can see, arena can blast away big tank rounds with its big blast , vs trophy shooting out a small blast, on things like prgs only.
other let down of trophy other than its small blast is its price, which no country is using it yet. arena is in ACTIVE service.
They do, and it the safest apc in the world. They are old t-55 and t-72 tank hulls from the tankes they captured during all their wars. now they are makin new versions of that apc out of Merkava hull material, safer. they pretty much ripped the turret off the t-55s and t-72s, and put some gear in em, and changed the armour around a bit.
no no give me a legit source saying israeli tanks are equipped with this. Because from my knowlege trophy is still under development and costs are very high.
Your method of analysis is flawed in it's core - just because two systems are designed to do the same job doesn't mean theyre somehow related.
If you wanna find out if those systems are related, you examine their methods of operation and the principals on which those are based - and if you'll look at the Arena and at Trophy closely, you'll find out that they have absolutely nothing in common.
Besides, the Russian system is useless, so even if you're right, the Israeli one is still far superior
too much pot my friend. probably you dont even know what this Arena is. Far superior? where is the proof? russians owned a better design 25 years ago.
you said look closely- its is the same principal from russia 30 years ago- a sensitive camera picks up motion from incoming round, and quickly reacts by shooting out a charge with loads of sharpnel at the target, and destroying it.
so learn the facts first b4 you make yourself look dumb.
1) Neither of the systems uses a goddamn camera to identify threats, you motherfucking retard - they use a radar!
The difference is that the systems use different KINDS of radars, operating at different frequencies.
2) Arena uses a fucking sheet-shaped explosive explosive charge to create a bloody wall of frag that rips through both hostile projectiles and friendly infantry alike.
Trophy uses a shotgun-like slug launcher to avoid such effects...
The main rip off is the function, which is the same. Trophy just shoots out a way smaller
Blast than arena (might not ensure the destruction of the incoming rounds) where arenas big blast would./ but the function is almost exact. With that blast trophy could also injure its own troops, but less then arena.
Rip off is different from cloning, so get your facts straight and stop putting words in my mouth.
Trophy just stole the functioning, which is most important.
Dude, cloning, rippoff - you're juggling with words!
It doesn't mater what meaning you put in the terms you use - what's important is that you suggest that system is copying the other, which requires proof.
So what proof do you got so far - that they do the same job?
I'm sorry, but that's just like saying that modern assault rifles rip off rifled flint-lock muskets - because, hey, they do the same goddamn thing, right?
Doesn't matter that their methods of operation are COMPLETELY different!
You obviously don't know flying fuck about either of the systems, yet you see yourself qualified enough to make bold statements about one system copying another, and then argue the people who call you out on your bullshit.
So what does THAT make you?
And then you have the NERVE to tell ME that I don't know what Arena is!
Yes, it was a typo. I meant to put sensitive radar, not camera.
1.OF COURSE they will use different radar and/or frequencies, no doubt.
They cannot copy ARENA bit by bit. I said a rip off (copied on idea/function) of a product, not a clone (exact radar, rounds), so enough putting words in my mouth?
How the HELL do you mistype a "radar" with "camera"?
How, I really wanna know?
I'm willing to accept that Trophy is INSPIRED by the Arena and Drozd systems, and I can also accept that our engineers had some idea about how those early systems function, so they had a general direction to work towards...
But man, the idea that this system RIPS OFF the older ones requires PROOF, which you have been yet to provide.
- you just proved my point. inspired is just plain excuse from any country in the world. ex. china.
trophy is just an smaller/more safe system, but the rest operates on the same PRINCIPAL. arena is bigger blast, not as safe, but ensures and has higher chances of killing the round than the small blast from trophy.
like i said, proof of its rip off is in its funcioning.
dont mistake my worlds for Cloning. (1:1 copy). of course its not
Man, you HAVE to get your terms straight - "being inspired" by something will NEVER, under NO circumstances, be synonymous to "ripping said thing off"!
Again, ripping off is NOT being inspired, and vice versa.
For example - the Trophy APS was "inspired" by the Soviet Arena and Drozd systems.
On the other hand, the Soviet Vympel K-13 short-range air-to-air missile is a blatant rip-off of the American AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM.
Soviet Vympel K-13 short-range air-to-air missile is a blatant rip-off of the American AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM
that is possible. but dont change the subject, cuz there are thousands exaples of usa copying russia (f35 from yak), etc,etc , but i dont want to go there.
did i mention that insipration is just a plain stupid excuse to avoid lawsuit?
I'm not changing the subject, I'm simply trying to show you why your logic is flawed.
It's called an "analogy", I believe...
And no, you didn't mention that inspiration is an excuse to avoid lawsuits.
Probably because this theory doesn't hold any water - if accepted in ANY court of law, ANYWHERE, the countless subsequent lawsuits would bring the international entertainment industry to a screeching halt...
america wont by from trophy because its from Israel Defense Research & Development Directorate (DRDD)..and raytheon is american..and DoD wants to keep the money in america..
no... they didnt buy it because it cost far too much money to mass produce... it doesnt really matter how good the system is if u can only put it on 50 vehicles out of 2500
Remember, this tech is new, there are several different types of technology being developed by several different countries, and they're working more or less with one another. There will be alot of advancement in a very short time, "Quick Kill" is one of several examples, and "Trophy" is already moving to their second generation platform from lessons learned. It's going to get alot harder to kill an armoured vehicle. Russia has their own version, and its quite good as well.
The Russian's Arena is terrible. A laser detects the incoming round, which prompts the commander to push a button. This will pivot the tank towards the projectile, which then discharges the pre-detonation system. Trophy is better because it is complete 360 defense from multiple hitting locations that only activates if the round will actually hit the tank and works a relatively close range. In addition, their system would be harmful to surrounding troops.
I wounder where do you get your information "how russian arena operates" please don't expose your stupidity... This "trophy" thing maybe is sounds good... but it's only "sounds" GOOD so far... I have not seen a real picture yet of this "aren't you?" well maybe you did with arena...
The introduction of a "pre-round" to fool the system will likely not work, as the system is closely calibrated to actual warheadsm a small precurser wouldn't contain enough HE to pose a threat, thus the system will not act against it. Uh, yeah, they ALREADY thought of that. Russian government just wants you to feel better about it.
Trophy can stop any RPG in anyone's current inventory. No doubt about it. KE rounds are not as affected, system isn't designed to stop solid penetrators, but make no mistake, this system works, its ready and Israel is fitting it now.
"арена э" вчерашний день она требует конструктивных изменений и дизайна бронетехники, порожающий элемент громозкий и избыточно мощный. Скоро мы получим более компактный эффективный и менее опасный для спешившейся пехоты вариант
It existed, but the minister of defense of Israel didn't deploy them because of their price... he also sent the soldiers with primitive rifles, no sufficient food/water, on a full moon, with no real air cover (the aircraft were not allowed to blow up the Hezbolla's human shields), after a million times he called them and canceled in the last moment, with no good strategies and with more care to the enemy than to the soldiers themselves. I blame him for every IDF soldier who died there.
Rafael is Israeli. You think I don't know which industry manufactures the armanants which protect me? Look carefully- while the logo is presented, you can also see the program partner- (American)General Dynamics, and two more logos of the Israeli Warfare Industries- for example, the bottom right one is for Israeli Airforce Industries.
@averbakh01 Trophy detects, tracks and CLASSIFIES.
Probably means that it can distinguish between a decoy and a threat.
anonimystro12345 3 weeks ago
this is actually old Russians used to have the same system in 70s
MyTutorialFilms 1 month ago
@MyTutorialFilms The Russian system only defended the front 70 degrees of the tank, and it often injured or killed any soldiers around it when it was activated. Trophy is much more accurate, and can provide protection all around the tank, even against rockets or missiles coming from the top.
anonimystro12345 3 weeks ago
@anonimystro12345 russians just use high-tech ERA against rpg
IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA 2 weeks ago
@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA No the russians also use the arena active protection system on alot of their vehicles. Arena is just as capable as trophy
thebaskill 1 week ago
@thebaskill u missunderstood or maybe i didnt write it clearly,mi point is that even if it only protects 70 degress ERA can stop anything that gets trought even the latest rpg.
IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA 1 week ago
@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA no baby arena-e stpo spg-9 and tow
TATARSTAN59500 5 days ago
@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA and
i dont see trophy
stop rpg-28 125mm
rpg-30
rpg-32
in 20m ambush
TATARSTAN59500 5 days ago
wow! they've finally copied the soviet DROZD system from late 70-s!
great success!
petunized 2 months ago
@petunized
thats what america is all about
Stole scram from the brits
stole stealth tech from Russia
stole nukes from Germany and
stealing oil and resources world wide
WELCOME TO AMERICA!!!
y512516 1 month ago
@y512516
Yes, because when one nation has tech, they should be the only ones to benefit from the advancement. If France suddenly developed a cure for cancer or a perfect space-traveling vehicle, France should be the only ones to ever have that ever. Yes?
TabsBlogs 1 month ago
@TabsBlogs
no, I mean america should have PAID for the tech
instead of business espionage and bribing
y512516 1 month ago
@y512516
What's to say that their scientists aren't just observing this new unveiled military technology and just figure out a way to do it themselves? Regardless, war technology is not something nations usually obtain through reputable means. Not a damn country on the planet hasn't pulled some dirty underhanded trick to gain the advantage. Idealism is ideal, but that's it. It stops just short of "real."
TabsBlogs 1 month ago
I need one of these on my camaro. My ex threw a brick through my window.
blaknite1 2 months ago 9
@blaknite1 i believe this system can't help you with ex rage
rocaedward 2 days ago
need to install one of these to the M1a3 abrams
kaynie143 3 months ago 5
I need this in BF3 :P
Depresy 3 months ago 3
now if we can just stop the IED's
gaotu 5 months ago
yes but system save only or simple rpg-7
rpg-32 18 22 28 30 (7 with pg7-vr ammo) metis-m and
KORNET no destruct for this system
same with rpg-30
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500
This baby was designed against metisest and kornets as an lesson of practical expirience in Lebanon.
kushalaimashkha 4 months ago
hezbollah pactitly no use Kornet
use many rpg-29 and traditional 7
and kornet have thermobaric cherge any resist of this
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500
Kornets were used in 2006 in Lebanon, this is well documented. And an active protection system doesn't regard what kind of charge the missle has, because it's irelevant since the system intercepts in in flight.
kushalaimashkha 4 months ago
@kushalaimashkha haha impossible but kornet no stop for system
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500 merkava have good armor but engine is in front so crew have 2 meters armor !
but behind is very frail
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
kornet is no peturbed by this system and fire and is more faster than classic rpg-7 ammo
kornet peircing system tow too only small charge has been destructed by trophy
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@kushalaimashkha and only 2 merkava destruct is impossible have many pictures of merkava completly destruc or quasily its zionist propaganda
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
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kushalaimashkha 4 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500
Hizbollah fired altogether 500 ATGMs, some targeted infantry & buildings while others targeted armour. 51 IDF armour(merkavas II,III,IV) was hit while 24 pieces were penetrated causing 23 casualties R.I.P. Only 5 tundem charged ATGMs, which I would assume to be kornets, hit their targets killing 10 soldiers R.I.P.
kushalaimashkha 4 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500
The 2 tanks you are refering to as being "destroyed" are tanks that were hit but couldn't be fixed. These tanks were hit by roadside bombs.
kushalaimashkha 4 months ago
@kushalaimashkha haha and 40 completly disabled
and 2 only its impossible hezbollah use rpg-29 kornet and Tow
so tank is invincible !!!
trophy stop basics small rocket ONLY RPG-7 small charge pg7-vl
with kornet or tow heuuuuuu
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
and i see rpg-30 completly defeat system but have ir rocket
trophy is good only for terrosrist attack he no stop bullet
t-90sa scrambler no cover 360 degres but stop laser guided weapon but have very powerful laser
and destroy completly missile intelligent
exemple javelin is automatic but manual guided
tow and kornet have 100 pourcent shot target
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500
Sorry, I didn't understand much of your comment. But i do know that Trophy is designed to coup with hash rounds and kinetic energy rounds wich are conventional warfare armament.
Listen on the 31st i'm going to see an armour display, and perheps we'll be shown the Trophy system so I'll know more than.
btw you can write in your native tounge i'll understand.
kushalaimashkha 4 months ago
@kushalaimashkha hmmmm only 2 destruct who i not 0
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@kushalaimashkha dude tatarstan59500 cannot understand english
kaynie143 3 months ago
actually it depends on the speed. if the rock is travellig at mach 1 or more it will shoot it down.
mamertomiclat06 5 months ago
@mamertomiclat06 so all you gotta do is get up close and toss some armor piercing hand grenades
101andrewj 4 months ago
I wonder what happens when you throw a rock at it...
truongkahp 5 months ago
@truongkahp nothing
MrJapaneseboy1111 5 months ago
@truongkahp
Too slow to start the tracking system
2fat2die 5 months ago
but 99% of RPGs are not RPG-30's so these types of anti-rocket will save lives
gatorade420 5 months ago
On 12 November 2009, Ph.D. Vladimir Korenkov, who led Russian state unitary enterprise “Basalt” from 2000 to 2009, stated that “The Israeli system of active protection of tanks, “Trophy”, as any other similar systems, can be evaded”. One of the activities of this enterprise was to develop rocket-propelled grenades, designed to destroy modern armament.
gatorade420 5 months ago
The rocket-propelled grenade RPG-30, according to Vladimir Korenkov, is designed to overcome these tank defense systems. "All the existing active protection systems in the world share the same idea. This is a radar homing at some distance, close or far, to destroy the target with a warhead that creates fragment stream and explosive field. These systems have common flaws. First of all, the duty cycle, i.e. the time interval of the system response to the threat.
gatorade420 5 months ago
RPG-30 easily defeats such a protection system. There is a smaller diameter precursor round in addition to the main round. This precursor acts as a false target spoofing the APS into engaging it and allowing the main round (following the precursor after a slight delay) a clear path to the target, while the APS is stuck in the 0.2 - 0.4 second delay needed to start its next engagement. This time interval is sufficient for defeating the Israeli system."
gatorade420 5 months ago
@gatorade420
Unless they add 2 or more systems per side, and have them engage sequential targets, but as it sits, a single spoof would be enough to bypass the protection offered.
mordinvan 5 months ago
@vstom007 the rpg-30 is made to take out reactive and cage armour. you fail
ddioppp 6 months ago
戦車最強
zero123045607890 8 months ago
Mess with the best, and you die like the rest.
OhShitDidHeDie 8 months ago
Designed to protect against cowardly muslim hit and run attacks
GeorgeHB05 8 months ago
@GeorgeHB05
Yer then what does americans do in the air of Afghanistan
Muzain 7 months ago
No matter what, the jew bag always loses
clarky00000 8 months ago
The RPG 29 and 32 can defeat trophy.
LevTrotsky1917 9 months ago
@LevTrotsky1917 No it can't.
yairbe5 8 months ago
@LevTrotsky1917
LOL no it cant.
fromstart2finish 7 months ago
TROPHY maybe are not so good, because in the video it is on merkava 2-3, and i know that merkava 4 with good protection was got knocked out by kornete-e
Russia1117 9 months ago
@Russia1117 trophy was never installed in merkava 2-3, and in lebanon 2 trophy wasnt operational. merkava 4 was never destroyed, only damaged abit, merkava 2-3 were hit badly in that war. in 2010 an rpg was fired upon merkava 4 in gaza strip and the system trophy destroyed it, sence then trophy prevented 9 hits allready 100% succes rate.
davidds0 9 months ago
you can switch it on super sensitive for anoying children: then if a child throws a stone on your car it gets blown up
Osmosium2507 10 months ago
...why are there so many dislikes?
MrPizzapoika 10 months ago
@MrPizzapoika
the terrorists are mad that their crap rockets have even less of a chance to hit now.
Mrking5555 10 months ago
@MrPizzapoika cus its done by israel :D no matter what the video will be about, if its related to some thing positive israel done, it will get dislikes by people who are so bored they are looking for these videos to dislike them
davidds0 9 months ago
@otzelot68 Я понимаю, это сообщение надо было писать не мне, а Stepler666. Это он тут доказывает, что все изобретения украли у России или СССР. Я так не думаю. Я имел в виду , что нефиг жаловаться и завидовать западу , лучше бы подняли зарплату своим учёным и нормально финансировали новые проэкты, тогда бы был прогресс.
MrAndersohn 10 months ago
did anybody notice that there was no information on how it works?
jednoucelovy 11 months ago
車両版CIWSか
shm1968g 1 year ago
常に戦闘状態にあるからこういったシステム開発も最先端だな。
流石イスラエル軍、と言ったところか。
XMmiya 1 year ago
Was expecting OCP's ED-209 to appear after that TROPHY text sweep.
vampyre11487 1 year ago
made in russia!
yep russia for ever
stykan 1 year ago
@stykan This is the Israeli version. Got better scores then the Arena, 30/30.
mistamikey123455 1 year ago
@stykan Even good Vodka is not from Russia
IsraeliXdude 11 months ago
Made in Russia and name is Arena...
Пидарасы, всё у нас воруют...
Stepler666 1 year ago
@Stepler666 Даже воровать не надо, все самые умные ученые бегут сами на запад, потому что в СНГ зарплата у них - хуйня. Не ценят в СНГ науку, вот и получается "утечка мозгов"... :-(
MrAndersohn 11 months ago
@Stepler666 Made in Israel name Trophy, idiot.
IsraeliXdude 11 months ago
I just question how its able to take out an rpg without seriously harming a soldier next to the vehicle.
canadaisthenorth 1 year ago
@canadaisthenorth i suppose it just takes out the fuel/proppelant unit of the incoming missile, instead of actually detonating the missile before impact.
zinos2010 1 year ago
@canadaisthenorth, would you rather the RPG is NOT stopped? This isn't promising to make your Army invincible, it's just reducing the damage, drastically.
blaklespaul 11 months ago
so Ive been looking online, and couldnt seem to find much information on whether the US is investing in one of these several protection systems so if someone would enlighten me on the subject I would appreciate it.
stlcards32 1 year ago
@stlcards32, Apparently it is being used by the US army, since 2005.
blaklespaul 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
damn the terrorists who are in their own country trying to get people from halfway around the world to go home wont stand a chance
gonadcancervictim 1 year ago
Sergent: Shit. Soldiers time go to back to the basic.
Soldiers: What are the basics and can it do it?
Sergent: TNT or several C4 should do the job.
Soldiers: How we gonna used it to get the armor?
Sergent: Run of course.
Soldiers: What?! What about its machine guns and infantry escorts?
Sergent: Do not think about them. Act like your life depend on it.
Soldiers: Our lives do depend on it.
Sergent: Shit, wussies, I will do it.
916ppl 1 year ago
Cool, going to order one! It's on sale on ebay.
elimx1 1 year ago 2
Arena is still the best
aleksandarfriscic 1 year ago
21 terrorists dislike this amazing product......
Go fuck yourself....
CHAI CHAI CHAI AM ISRAEL CHAI 4 EVER
ejzen11 1 year ago
dont vory russians will modern the rpg's and it will fuck this shit
stykan 1 year ago
1:47 rofl.
Vykuk123 1 year ago
what a rip off of soviet late 80's technology...
Provakator 1 year ago
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RA4FOC 1 year ago
That the trophy active anti-rpg system can shoot down rocket propelled grenades is no suprise to me. Whether or not it would be able to shoot down larger, faster missiles like a javelin or tow remains to be seen.
TheJamesrocket 1 year ago
I prefer Raytheon's QuickKill., and so does the US Army, it seems.
SecuR0M 1 year ago
@SecuR0M Except that Raytheon still hasn't gotten Quick Kill to work, and there is concern that it cannot be used with lighter armored vehicles. We could be protecting our soldiers with Trophy today.
Alcaldemb 1 year ago
did anyone see that dumbass shot an RPG from the hip no wonder so many civilians are dying
cluegoo69 1 year ago
we will see when the next war start loooooool :D
maggamagdy 1 year ago
It, not that hard for a Muslim to understand. Allah will keep a Muslim down to the ground. If ever Iwere an Americajn, obamama Do downtown Chichigo. So let's have a nice dinner
jimmyrbyamirb7IDF 1 year ago
isn't it just a preemptive explosive reactive armour? we've had ERA for a while and that has it's own drawbacks, does this overcome them?
cjeam9199 1 year ago
Well maybe in a 100 years Gundams will be a reality.
QuintonHobdy 1 year ago
@yairbe5 the speeds involved compared with ground fighting are too high, and other methods of missile jamming are more effective.
Correnos 1 year ago
i would love to see achmed's face when he fires his trusty RPG-7 at an infidel's tank just to see his rocket swatted out the sky like a bug.
i wonder if you could use this thing on static objects like buildings and render mortar fire obselete.
airsoftmanic 1 year ago
@airsoftmanic I bet, but the range of the rocket-fuck field would have to be way bigger than it is for a vehicle right, and even then it might only cover the top of a building
gofojibwas 1 year ago
@gofojibwas
i think i might just be a case of making the radar detection larger and the interception object (is it a bullet? rocket? no idea) a bit longer ranged.
and from what i can see, each of those little boxes is a self contained unit so just cover the building in it. would cost a bomb, but hey, you want to be safe and poor or dead and rich?
airsoftmanic 1 year ago
This is awesome. imagine all the lives we could save if we deployed these
therealmasterpilot 1 year ago
This would have come handy in Iraq, I don't know why the US decided not to invest in that project.
redelman43199 1 year ago
lolwut does this work when the vehicles driving?
elsewhise its shit
95predator 1 year ago
Didn't you pay attention to the video. They said it work while the vehicle moves.
redelman43199 1 year ago
syry i was jckn'
95predator 1 year ago
does the US use Trophy?
isomoroph 1 year ago
no trophy was offerd to the US army but they wanted to but an american system wont be ready for years also when a spiceal commition looked in to it the found that even when the american system will be ready the israeli system will still be far better
yairbe5 1 year ago
mmm for the moment is just a propaganda video, when i will see this stuff on action well,something will drastically change on the battlefield.
M1lko01 2 years ago
the system is in service its on 100 kerkava mk.4 tanks and is now beeing installed on 100 namer APC's
yairbe5 1 year ago
merkava*
yairbe5 1 year ago
could this system work on aircraft to or not?
victoriadish 2 years ago
No it would not work on aircraft. Anti-aircraft weapons are far more sophisticated then the common home made rpg.
redelman43199 1 year ago
lol why wouldnt it work on aircraft?
yairbe5 1 year ago
Trophy the best for us IDF no question about it. Esyst squirrels mst squruiirkkl! QfuckBonnieMirl Sandi Los Alamsos!
jimmyrbyamirb7IDF 2 years ago
anyone know that vid with systme like this but futureweapons?
middlehavenracer 2 years ago
Non of them matter if the tank rolls over an IED buried in the street. So fuck all these systems. slat cages & reactive armor seem to work fine for Strikers. Can either system stop an EFP? I doubt it since I've seen those cut through M-1's like a hot knife through butter. And I mean all the way in & out the other side.
hazonku 2 years ago
hazonku- Indeed IED's are a major problem, but that is not the reason trophy was designed. Slat cages and reactive armor add additional weight and dimensions to an armored vehicle limiting its mobility, transportability, and overall combat effectiveness. As for EFP's look up electric or electromagnetic reactive armor, it is specifically designed to defeat them.
Iceman90gsx 2 years ago
besides you said arena is useless? WTF??? my money that you never even seen those 2 systems operate, that is just plain assumption from few youtube videos. as i can see, arena can blast away big tank rounds with its big blast , vs trophy shooting out a small blast, on things like prgs only.
other let down of trophy other than its small blast is its price, which no country is using it yet. arena is in ACTIVE service.
psq007 2 years ago
Of course I've never seen it in action! How the fuck would I see it in action?!
The reason I'm saying it's useless is because despite being over 15 years old, it's employment is so limited it's not even worth mentioning.
Also, did you just say that the small blast radius of the Trophy's interceptor is a "let down"?
WTF is wrong with you?!
It doesn't take a big blast to disable a shell, no matter how big it is!
Or do you really suppose that reduced collateral damage is actually a SHORTCOMING?
Zyamaman 2 years ago
Israel is starting to use Trophy, and it can stop tank rounds.
mistamikey123455 2 years ago
you heard of russian APS right? made over 30 years ago.
psq007 2 years ago
Yes i did. how is that relevant to this convo at all?
mistamikey123455 2 years ago
I want to see where israeli forces use aps.
psq007 2 years ago
They do, and it the safest apc in the world. They are old t-55 and t-72 tank hulls from the tankes they captured during all their wars. now they are makin new versions of that apc out of Merkava hull material, safer. they pretty much ripped the turret off the t-55s and t-72s, and put some gear in em, and changed the armour around a bit.
mistamikey123455 2 years ago
no no give me a legit source saying israeli tanks are equipped with this. Because from my knowlege trophy is still under development and costs are very high.
psq007 2 years ago
They used em in Gaza.
Legit Source:
My Cousin, who's a gunner in a MK4.
mistamikey123455 2 years ago
You can think what you want about the policies of Israel and all that crap... ... but their military hardware WORKS! ..
Krede1977 2 years ago
Russian sistems!!
tikhon777 2 years ago
They ripped it off russian ARENA
warrat300 2 years ago
Based on what, exactly?
Zyamaman 2 years ago
russian arena came out in the 1980s
this came out few years ago
rip off?- yes it is.
that is to say israel is 70% filled with russians tracing back from ussr
so many developers in israel that made this is russian inventors
but usa will take the credit .
psq007 2 years ago
Your method of analysis is flawed in it's core - just because two systems are designed to do the same job doesn't mean theyre somehow related.
If you wanna find out if those systems are related, you examine their methods of operation and the principals on which those are based - and if you'll look at the Arena and at Trophy closely, you'll find out that they have absolutely nothing in common.
Besides, the Russian system is useless, so even if you're right, the Israeli one is still far superior
Zyamaman 2 years ago
"Besides, the Russian system is useless"
too much pot my friend. probably you dont even know what this Arena is. Far superior? where is the proof? russians owned a better design 25 years ago.
you said look closely- its is the same principal from russia 30 years ago- a sensitive camera picks up motion from incoming round, and quickly reacts by shooting out a charge with loads of sharpnel at the target, and destroying it.
so learn the facts first b4 you make yourself look dumb.
psq007 2 years ago
Dear fucking god are you stupid!
1) Neither of the systems uses a goddamn camera to identify threats, you motherfucking retard - they use a radar!
The difference is that the systems use different KINDS of radars, operating at different frequencies.
2) Arena uses a fucking sheet-shaped explosive explosive charge to create a bloody wall of frag that rips through both hostile projectiles and friendly infantry alike.
Trophy uses a shotgun-like slug launcher to avoid such effects...
Zyamaman 2 years ago
The main rip off is the function, which is the same. Trophy just shoots out a way smaller
Blast than arena (might not ensure the destruction of the incoming rounds) where arenas big blast would./ but the function is almost exact. With that blast trophy could also injure its own troops, but less then arena.
Rip off is different from cloning, so get your facts straight and stop putting words in my mouth.
Trophy just stole the functioning, which is most important.
psq007 2 years ago
Dude, cloning, rippoff - you're juggling with words!
It doesn't mater what meaning you put in the terms you use - what's important is that you suggest that system is copying the other, which requires proof.
So what proof do you got so far - that they do the same job?
I'm sorry, but that's just like saying that modern assault rifles rip off rifled flint-lock muskets - because, hey, they do the same goddamn thing, right?
Doesn't matter that their methods of operation are COMPLETELY different!
Zyamaman 2 years ago
Who looks dumb now, huh, retard?
You obviously don't know flying fuck about either of the systems, yet you see yourself qualified enough to make bold statements about one system copying another, and then argue the people who call you out on your bullshit.
So what does THAT make you?
And then you have the NERVE to tell ME that I don't know what Arena is!
Un-fucking-believable!
Zyamaman 2 years ago
Yes, it was a typo. I meant to put sensitive radar, not camera.
1.OF COURSE they will use different radar and/or frequencies, no doubt.
They cannot copy ARENA bit by bit. I said a rip off (copied on idea/function) of a product, not a clone (exact radar, rounds), so enough putting words in my mouth?
psq007 2 years ago
How the HELL do you mistype a "radar" with "camera"?
How, I really wanna know?
I'm willing to accept that Trophy is INSPIRED by the Arena and Drozd systems, and I can also accept that our engineers had some idea about how those early systems function, so they had a general direction to work towards...
But man, the idea that this system RIPS OFF the older ones requires PROOF, which you have been yet to provide.
Zyamaman 2 years ago
Trophy is INSPIRED by the Arena and Drozd systems
- you just proved my point. inspired is just plain excuse from any country in the world. ex. china.
trophy is just an smaller/more safe system, but the rest operates on the same PRINCIPAL. arena is bigger blast, not as safe, but ensures and has higher chances of killing the round than the small blast from trophy.
like i said, proof of its rip off is in its funcioning.
dont mistake my worlds for Cloning. (1:1 copy). of course its not
psq007 2 years ago
Man, you HAVE to get your terms straight - "being inspired" by something will NEVER, under NO circumstances, be synonymous to "ripping said thing off"!
Again, ripping off is NOT being inspired, and vice versa.
For example - the Trophy APS was "inspired" by the Soviet Arena and Drozd systems.
On the other hand, the Soviet Vympel K-13 short-range air-to-air missile is a blatant rip-off of the American AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM.
See the difference now?
Zyamaman 2 years ago
Soviet Vympel K-13 short-range air-to-air missile is a blatant rip-off of the American AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM
that is possible. but dont change the subject, cuz there are thousands exaples of usa copying russia (f35 from yak), etc,etc , but i dont want to go there.
did i mention that insipration is just a plain stupid excuse to avoid lawsuit?
psq007 2 years ago
I'm not changing the subject, I'm simply trying to show you why your logic is flawed.
It's called an "analogy", I believe...
And no, you didn't mention that inspiration is an excuse to avoid lawsuits.
Probably because this theory doesn't hold any water - if accepted in ANY court of law, ANYWHERE, the countless subsequent lawsuits would bring the international entertainment industry to a screeching halt...
Zyamaman 2 years ago
america wont by from trophy because its from Israel Defense Research & Development Directorate (DRDD)..and raytheon is american..and DoD wants to keep the money in america..
rbrtmcqueen 2 years ago
no... they didnt buy it because it cost far too much money to mass produce... it doesnt really matter how good the system is if u can only put it on 50 vehicles out of 2500
donnny101 2 years ago
Because as we all know its much cheapper to do R&D and then manufacture one yourself, than it is to buy and established one that works. Brilliant.
lmandozal 2 years ago
fo sho ... when ur the united states
donnny101 2 years ago
no arena is good
Dominykas14 2 years ago
now, this is great !!!
Speedless73 2 years ago
trophy system is so good that it was rejected by the department of defence
donnny101 2 years ago 6
yeah because it's too expensive to manufacture
IsraeliTrancer 2 years ago
@donnny101 "Cost effective" Department of defence rejects due to cost
*facepalm*
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@donnny101 On the grounds that it was manufactured by the wrong company.
SAsgarters 11 months ago
@donnny101 shame stupid america favors over who's make better weapons system, than the protection of her own troops.
staffsgtamous 9 months ago
Remember, this tech is new, there are several different types of technology being developed by several different countries, and they're working more or less with one another. There will be alot of advancement in a very short time, "Quick Kill" is one of several examples, and "Trophy" is already moving to their second generation platform from lessons learned. It's going to get alot harder to kill an armoured vehicle. Russia has their own version, and its quite good as well.
allen1117 2 years ago
The Russian's Arena is terrible. A laser detects the incoming round, which prompts the commander to push a button. This will pivot the tank towards the projectile, which then discharges the pre-detonation system. Trophy is better because it is complete 360 defense from multiple hitting locations that only activates if the round will actually hit the tank and works a relatively close range. In addition, their system would be harmful to surrounding troops.
ColonelMarksman 2 years ago
*correction, it pivots the tank's barrel towards the target.
ColonelMarksman 2 years ago
I wounder where do you get your information "how russian arena operates" please don't expose your stupidity... This "trophy" thing maybe is sounds good... but it's only "sounds" GOOD so far... I have not seen a real picture yet of this "aren't you?" well maybe you did with arena...
vikruss 2 years ago
The introduction of a "pre-round" to fool the system will likely not work, as the system is closely calibrated to actual warheadsm a small precurser wouldn't contain enough HE to pose a threat, thus the system will not act against it. Uh, yeah, they ALREADY thought of that. Russian government just wants you to feel better about it.
allen1117 2 years ago
Trophy can stop any RPG in anyone's current inventory. No doubt about it. KE rounds are not as affected, system isn't designed to stop solid penetrators, but make no mistake, this system works, its ready and Israel is fitting it now.
allen1117 2 years ago
lol, mb its only can stop old RPG 7, but cant stop Russian RPG 30 and 32 ))
SERSHANT 3 years ago
its bullshit
mujahid11111111111 3 years ago
clever
mujahid11111111111 3 years ago
america can make it,,,
same as the movie ID4 by will smith,,,
no give to enemy countries
bestamerica 3 years ago
"арена э" вчерашний день она требует конструктивных изменений и дизайна бронетехники, порожающий элемент громозкий и избыточно мощный. Скоро мы получим более компактный эффективный и менее опасный для спешившейся пехоты вариант
rossviktor 3 years ago
как всегда реклама у вас на высоте :)
rossviktor 3 years ago 2
watch?v=H8KLISCMDrk
take a look at that:its the Leo2A6 and the German version of Trophy.
theGoldenAgeOfBoredo 3 years ago
big time bill shit Trophy
PUSHKINcXYEM 3 years ago
This was useless in the Lebanon conflict.
xwishmasterx 3 years ago
it didnt exist in the lebanon war
cobrazax 3 years ago 10
It existed, but the minister of defense of Israel didn't deploy them because of their price... he also sent the soldiers with primitive rifles, no sufficient food/water, on a full moon, with no real air cover (the aircraft were not allowed to blow up the Hezbolla's human shields), after a million times he called them and canceled in the last moment, with no good strategies and with more care to the enemy than to the soldiers themselves. I blame him for every IDF soldier who died there.
FireStorm81318 3 years ago
RUSSIAN TECH
faccion 3 years ago
Israeli Tech
FireStorm81318 3 years ago 2
Russian!
faccion 3 years ago
Rafael is Israeli. You think I don't know which industry manufactures the armanants which protect me? Look carefully- while the logo is presented, you can also see the program partner- (American)General Dynamics, and two more logos of the Israeli Warfare Industries- for example, the bottom right one is for Israeli Airforce Industries.
FireStorm81318 3 years ago