The god of the bible is great::Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. This is the word of god !!
@TacoJFK3226 I'm hoping you are just an optimist. Our prisons are fulled with Christians, Muslims, and Jews. There are almost zero Buddhists or atheists. Yet we are between 15-20% of the population in the U.S. If it is not the atheists doing all the drinking, having sex, and commiting crimes, who else could it be? Who is having al lthe abortions in the U.S.? Once again it is not the atheists. As the report in this video suggests, atheists are peaceful. Who are the bad people in the U.S.?
@TacoJFK3226 "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." I think Voltaire said it about chritians. if you carefully read the bible you will realize that it commands to be like hitler. but its flexible due to it's vague claims and contradictions that can be misinterpreted when necessary. I noticed that absurd claims are always more convincible when they are said very seriously. maybe because they blow your mind and blind you, for example, "Jesus is his own father"
@insanewarlock666 I don't read the Bible. The bible is old and thing have changed since than. But I think the bible say to love your enemy. Which I don't agree with.
@TacoJFK3226 yeah it says to love your enemy and in another place it says to hate your family :D it supports slavery, torture, racism, sexism, death penalty for homosexuality and witchcraft....
@TacoJFK3226 I don't drink nor do I commit crimes.
However I do have sex, but my question is why is not having sex a virtue? LOL
Sexually repressed sociopath is not exactly something I strive to become, so I have a very rich sex life. I have fetishes you can only want to avoid to thinking about. It made me a more balanced person.
Preventing crime is not to scare people into being obedient. To prevent criminal behavior, one need to think about crimes and learn why it is unacceptable.
@TacoJFK3226 You don't agree with facts and reality? Numbers don't lie, people do. I guess that is the major flaw with any religion, people want and need to be lied to, it makes them feel good and comfortable somehow. Reality aint for everyone. :)
@rednecktrucker1969 I am not a religulous person. I don't know how religion started. But however I do not believe that religion started by one person or meant to fool the world.
Example the world is flat. whoever came up with that idea. Was not trying to fool the world. I understand why someone would think that way.
@paulinotou Yes am sure that home schooling is a factor and is driving up the criminal population. Also, the reports are broken down into percentages, so the per ca-pita has no barring on it. check out the reports for yourself and see where your state ranks.
I don't think any rational person believes that religion is directly responsible for a lack of safety. It's the factors that lead to atheism or religion. New hampshire has an average IQ of 112 last I saw! That's outrageous! Obviously, they are less likely to be religious, and more safe due to their communal behaviour and schools.
I think it's also interesting that there are lots of libertarians out in atheist's Wyoming. I think they're a tad idealistic, but they have a wonderful philosophy.
It's the blacks. Every state you stated as being safe has very low black populations. Louisiana is one of the blackest states in the Union. Mississippi is the blackest state. Not being racist but the gangsta thug mentality is ruining the black community.
There is a correlation but I don't think religion and crime are directly connected to each other. In areas where you find a greater degree of poverty you generally find more religious people including more extreme religious sects. Higher crime rates are directly linked to poverty, so it make perfect sense that these same areas would have a greater number of religious people living in poverty and subsequently committing crimes. Poverty is the real culprit here.
That would have been great if you did not debase your own argument, with you own argument. If religion is supposed to give us morals and ethics, then why is their higher crime in more religious communities? Also, are you also saying that communities of atheists are rich? I am REALLY poor. Also I live in a small town that is also very poor, yet we have so few crimes that we barely have police. i do think that rel. fervor has something to do with it.
According to the International Centre for Prison Studies at King's College in London, more people are behind bars in the United States than in any other country in the world.
The U.S. incarceration rate of 737 per 100,000 followed by 611 in Russia
In Denmark the rate is 46 per 100,000.
Only 49.6% of newborn are baptised.
A Godless country where the majority of people are agnostic ore atheists and therefore has no moral, crime is low?
OH man I better get out of here before hell breaks loose.
Well it might be because of Americas war on drugs as the reason why America has so many prisoners. Also people who go to jail for the weekend for public drunkenness are counted as the same as people who are in prison for life for murders. So incarcerations rates are inaccurate. You have to go by the amount of reported crimes .
The statistics are from prisons in the US not from county or city jails. So it is people that committed crimes and have been sentenced. I agree that many are in prison for non-violent crimes (drugs) but the point is not diminished by that either, as drugs are still primarily illegal.
Yeah but still Europe has many more liberal laws. Marijuana use and sale is legal prostitution is legal if you subtract that from the American prison population that would be a huge amount of time. Then you gotta figure Dui and child support dead beat dads of what sort and figure that in . I'm not questioning that states that are more secular probably do have a safer and lower crime but I think you have to go by what crimes were reported and what specific crimes.
Well, clearly we Atheists are all cowards. We run from the most dangerous states, and flock to the safest states. And the Theist are brave souls trying to save people when they go to the most dangerous states. LOL
Do you not think it has a lot to do with the fact that generally non believers have been better educated, therefore are more intelligent, utilize the reading matter available which open up the paths of questioning. I think so anyway. I'm not saying all stupid people are religious but I think education in general has a lot to do with it.
It sounds irrelevant. Isn't california one of the states with the most atheists? It's probably low. If I take a ton of insane people and let them free into a state, will it be religions fault? Religion doesn't determine how safe it is. People don't do bad things like harm JUST because of religion, they do it out of many other factors, meaning that this can't truly be accurate unless considering other contributing factors to violence.
actually, Ca went up in catholics. Also if you know you only have one life and this is it! You are more apt to think about your actions. But if you believe that this is just a pre-life with all eternity ahead you are less likely to think about what you do here, because some dude already paid 4 ur sins, right?
Actually, I believe that what you do here determines what happens in the afterlife, because this part is the test, and the result of the test determines your eternity, and I also tell you that I believe in god, and I believe in a god who loves us all equally, so much that he sacrificed christ, his closest son (I know what you are thinking) so that we could prepare for the afterlife and be happy. I believe the worst punishment is better than earth.
thats the whole problem with belief, is it is highly subjective, a man on death row thinks because he believes and has repented, then he gets to go to heaven, but you might not think the same way. So who is right? Well I choose facts and say neither one. :)
The facts don't seem to lead in any specific direction. Facts may lead to evolution, but the facts are manipulated to make stuff sound true. Example: Evolutionists say fossils prove evolution, creationists believe that these fossils were buried by floods. There is evidence to support BOTH. So I choose creation, because that one makes more sense in my mind. Mutations? Coincidence? The works of evolution itself has to have been done by a creator, or else be false. I choose to believe my choice.
hahahaha, good one fosils buried by a flood---- as a response to crime and religion. Boy that's a stretch. You people are sooooo funny. Fact is there is mounds of data on evolution and less than one chapter on creation. Man when faced with facts, versus an obvious lie you people go galloping after the lie. Probably because you cannot face the reality of life because you are not rich and famous, and darnit I deserve that, so there must b something else, right? lol
I noticed you conveniently left out mentioning the Pacific coast, which is very liberal, have a lot of atheists. California is #38 safest state. There's another correlation worth noting, however. The top 10 safest states (for the most part) do not have large urban areas and don't have a lot of blacks or illegals living in them.
That is probably a more profound correlation than religious v. non-religious.
sorry i did not mean to leave out the left coast, like i said in the video, CA went up in Catholics by nearly 10 points and only up 4 points in non-believers. WA went up 10 points in nons and 6 points in safety OR went up 6 pts in nons and is 21st safest st. So it probably shows the same trends (unfortunately for your argument) Pls see the response video, he actually ran the numbers and got the same conclusion. Or down load the reports yourself and run it, links in sidebar. I got nothing to hide
actually, 2 things, first see the video response, he did the leg work on the corrilation between the two. Secondly, I kept saying that it "looks like a connection, but look it up for yourself" This means, I am not an expert and I am just giving my personal opinion (like FOX News does all the time) BTW, I have also had a person PM me about this and they ran the numbers and came up with the same exact outcome as the video response. I might want to call my "gut" right on this one. Tanks 4 comment!
Few study logic, so I understand where your coming from. Karl Popper, father of the Falsification Principle, was more concerned with drawing conclusions from incomplete inductive studies than you are. Popper knew all scientific conclusions were always invalid and based on a self-contradicting principle (Verification Principle)--this is why he attempted to construct a new one. The more one learns about scientific method and epistemology, the less one takes it seriously.
i'm thinking that the connection here is that the less educated a person is, the more they tend towards crime. and statistics show that the less educated a person is, they also tend more towards religion
that's probably the connection, of course there's certainly many more factors
Crime CAN be caused by poverty and I can understand that. Crime is also caused by greed, as per the over-ripe levels of corruption at all levels here in the Philippines. Money, money, money. Crime is also the result of the need for power over others.
That said, religion has so much effect in the poisoning of society yet has so little effect in keeping that society crime-free.
Is religion a waste of time and effort? For some, who have nothing more than hope in their lives, it's a placebo.
i agree, there are many contributing factors, far too many to list in a youtube comment, so i didn't try
religion may have a use, if someone lacks the inherent morals the rest of us take for granted, in the end the fear of a eternal punishment might be the only thing that could keep them in line? beautiful architecture too
Yes, the architecture and the music and the art are all appreciated but that's as far as my appreciation goes. I have seen the worst possible result if the virus of religion, in islam. Once you take a serious in-depth look at islam, christianity is mild BUT could become just as vile - if we give it enough rope.
just to point out to any believers who stumble across this video, we're not necessarily ( or at least i think we're not ) suggesting that if you don't believe in a god that you're more moral, there's probably allot of factors involved, but this does show clearly that 1) god's not punishing america for becoming more atheist, and 2) religious people are not morally superior
hey, maybe god's chosen people are atheist? think about it, if we're to grant his existence then why does it seem like he doesn't exist? maybe he's deliberately making it seem that way in order to test us, to check if we'll take full advantage of the mental faculties he gave us, and not believe in him? and if we do, he rewards us x3
i think its quite simple. I sumise that the majority of athesist are educated individuals whilst religious have less formal education (not saying their stupid, just the stats favour atheist). and crime figures and intelect have a definite corraltion. the more educated and intelligent the less likly to comit crime
When you deprive people of thinking for themselves and a proper education and instead stick them a book and some unrelated dogma its never going to end well.
Atheists make up like 10% of the US population, but less than 1 percent of the prison population. Combine this with the stats you found, and I think there is sufficient evidence to claim correlation.
Must be nice to have someone to "forgive" all of your sins at the end of the day - I could rob a bank and validate my actions by saying "I'm a sinner, but GOD loves me anyway!"
So, I looked at the numbers and I did a statistical trend--- and your hypothesis is confirmed. In a few minutes I'll make a video saying so, and send a link request to you for that video.
Well...there's a difference between atheism in the US and in, say, the UK where I live. Here, atheism is the default: we aren't brought up on a diet of theism, by and large. In the US, it seems like the opposite is true. Atheism in the US requires that you actively discard what you're taught, through thought.
I think the moral standards of the average US atheist are therefore higher than the average UK atheist. Religion itself is not the problem here, it's lack of critical thinking.
Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of menFRANCIS BACON:
The statement "the less religious the state is, the safer it is"... is in most cases true. The only question is causation. I would argue that many of the same factors that would result in higher levels of religious belief, result in crime as well. Things like the lack of a decent education, and poverty.
actually, if you search the raw data there are a few anomolies, like SD and ND, they are both pretty high on religion but low on crime, I attribute this to the extremely low population and long cold winters.
I find it curious that this inverse correlation between morality, and religion. Which is even more striking when looking that countries like Norway, is never addressed in any meaningful way by Christians.
I wouldn't be surprised to find an agricultural factor. I.E. states with predominantly farm based economies would have less crime. The workload and time factors would be constrictive to criminal activities.
well, not really because most farming states have a big city or two in them IE Kansas City, St Louis, Omaha so on. So the numbers get thrown off. I live in a small town in NM #48 worst, yet I do not lock my doors hardly ever. I have even left my home unlocked for weeks at a time while driving and everything was just fine.
I would have to say that a lack of a decent education, is THE greatest poverty, not just the greatest indicator. And that is why this nation is currently poor. I will tell you that in a town of religious fanatics, it does one no financial good, to be a round peg, in square hole land. If your IQ is bigger than your shoe size, it's likely that you will fire a lot of bosses, before you find one that fits. Or, self employment, where you grin and bear thumpers every day, just for a bite of bread.
I'm surprised that the % points for non-believers are so high. The impression the US gives the world is that it takes its religion really seriously.
I recall reading last year on similar results done in Europe. Countries with the largest atheist population - like Sweden - have the lowest crime rates. So much for Christian "morality".
we were all supprised over the results, there may be hope for us after all. I think the numbers were always this way, it is with recent authors and maybe even you tube, that people are ok to actually say it now. I don't think it was a dramatic jump as the numbers would indicate.
I bet education levels would go right along with both statistics. How does DC (my 'state') rank on both? High atheist, low safety, I bet. WIth Hitchens here, right up the street from where I work, I'm sure he helps us along on both counts, with his getting into fisticuffs with the religious.
Yeah, I grew up in Maryland and my family's there. I saw that and I wasn't happy. Especially because Virginia ranked so much safer. Nothing pisses off a true Marylander like Virginia success.
I noticed that alot of the states that had high population percentages of nonbelievers also happen to be the most libertarian states. I'm not going to make a judgement call on crime rates since drug arrests may have a big factor in how "safety" is reported.
But given the analysis I have to work with, could I safely conclude that the belief in god and the belief in the supremacy of government are related, and that a disbelief in god and a disbelief in gov't are related?
And from Europe: The countries with the lowest crime-rates, highest levels of education, longest life-expectancy, highest standard of living and so on and so on..(the scandinavian countries)..are also the most atheistic in Europe. And the best country to live in in Asia..(Japan)..is also the most atheistic down there.. Big surprise, eh? 5 stars for the video, man!: )
As a norwegian I can confirm that. We have been one of the top 3 countries to live in every year for atleast 10 years in a row now (According to UN). Things like tolerance, solidarity and equality stand strong in Norway. Atheists/agnostics is about 72%of the population and even most of the religious is very moderate (So moderate you wonder why they believe at all sometimes).
Yes, and I've read that criminals from poor countries, like the old communist countries, actually say that they're better off in a norwegian jail than they would be in their own apartment back home. And they're really surprised and happy to find out that they're actually paid for "the work" they do in jail and actually have some money in their pockets when they're released. : )
I am a Brit expat living in the bible-belt of SE Asia, the Philippines. The Spanish introduced (forcibly) Catholicism 350 years ago and more. The Phils is 85% Catholic and then we add in all the junk religions which will mean that atheism here is below 1%. Maybe me and a handful of others. YET, the country is ridden with extreme crime levels and corruption at all levels. Anyone surprised?
it seems obvious to me that if a person claims to be an atheist, they spent some time thinking about life. The atheist chooses their own morals, and the decision comes from deep inside the person. Such morals are more likely to be followed/ The pious person has their morals fed to them, from outside sources - preachers and holy books. Their morals don't influence them as strongly, because they are not indigenous. This is why atheists are morally superior to the pious, and the stats prove it.
I live in Minnesota too. I didn't realize that our state was so religious. I guess it's because all my friends are non religious. Then again most of my friends have at least an associates in science.
How very unamusing this is. One should also note that the more religious a state is, the more federal welfare it receives. The "red states" get more than the "blue states," to the point that the "blue states" are subsidizing the "red" ones.
sorry for being "unamusing", numbers are a dry subject, and yes, like I pointed out in the video, there are probably a ton of stats that have an influence, but I was just reading the two. It is bad science I know but the idea was to get people to think about it and not take my word for it.
Unamusing as in the stats, not the video. :-) I just did an Excel spreadsheet with the data: most dangerous, safest, and religious. At the moment I do not see a correlation. Would you like the spreadsheet?
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NH FTW!!!
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The god of the bible is great::Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. This is the word of god !!
ndzoko 3 months ago
hell we may be poorer and less safe, but hell where im from Guam we buildem tough.
paulinotou 1 year ago
Cool video, loved you in Sideways by the way!
ShawnoftheDay 1 year ago
Most religious people don't drink, have sex or commit a crime.
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 I agree....the prison guards are pretty strict about those types of activities. :)
rednecktrucker1969 1 year ago 6
@rednecktrucker1969 were you ever in jail?
I mean there is a freedom of religion.
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@rednecktrucker1969 oh, ZING
CorpsmanUP87 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 but of ppl who commit crime, they are mostly religion
iLikeBondage69 1 year ago
@iLikeBondage69 true but most people who go to jail also say oh help me God.
Then have a little faith in God.
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 well, they were religious to begin with. also, i say stuff like, " oh my god" but don't mean it litterally.
iLikeBondage69 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 what? wow, so how do religious people have kids then?
Shawn21769 1 year ago
@Shawn21769 ask them not me
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 I'm hoping you are just an optimist. Our prisons are fulled with Christians, Muslims, and Jews. There are almost zero Buddhists or atheists. Yet we are between 15-20% of the population in the U.S. If it is not the atheists doing all the drinking, having sex, and commiting crimes, who else could it be? Who is having al lthe abortions in the U.S.? Once again it is not the atheists. As the report in this video suggests, atheists are peaceful. Who are the bad people in the U.S.?
matthewtaylorbrown 1 year ago
@matthewtaylorbrown Where did Buddhists come up? are you a Buddhist?
I really don't care if somebody practice a faith or not as long as they don't take it out on me.
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good
things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion." think about it
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 yes like fooling people.
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." I think Voltaire said it about chritians. if you carefully read the bible you will realize that it commands to be like hitler. but its flexible due to it's vague claims and contradictions that can be misinterpreted when necessary. I noticed that absurd claims are always more convincible when they are said very seriously. maybe because they blow your mind and blind you, for example, "Jesus is his own father"
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 I don't read the Bible. The bible is old and thing have changed since than. But I think the bible say to love your enemy. Which I don't agree with.
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 yeah it says to love your enemy and in another place it says to hate your family :D it supports slavery, torture, racism, sexism, death penalty for homosexuality and witchcraft....
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 They are reasons why the book is trash
TacoJFK3226 1 year ago
@TacoJFK3226 I don't drink nor do I commit crimes.
However I do have sex, but my question is why is not having sex a virtue? LOL
Sexually repressed sociopath is not exactly something I strive to become, so I have a very rich sex life. I have fetishes you can only want to avoid to thinking about. It made me a more balanced person.
Preventing crime is not to scare people into being obedient. To prevent criminal behavior, one need to think about crimes and learn why it is unacceptable.
Neosaigo 6 months ago
@TacoJFK3226 I don't really agree with this video.
But what I do know is sex is an issue with almost every religion.
TacoJFK3226 6 months ago
@TacoJFK3226 You don't agree with facts and reality? Numbers don't lie, people do. I guess that is the major flaw with any religion, people want and need to be lied to, it makes them feel good and comfortable somehow. Reality aint for everyone. :)
rednecktrucker1969 6 months ago
@rednecktrucker1969 I am not a religulous person. I don't know how religion started. But however I do not believe that religion started by one person or meant to fool the world.
Example the world is flat. whoever came up with that idea. Was not trying to fool the world. I understand why someone would think that way.
TacoJFK3226 6 months ago
@TacoJFK3226 It may have not started that way but it is that way now. Religion is a means of control.
rednecktrucker1969 6 months ago
@rednecktrucker1969 True, I agree with that one.
TacoJFK3226 6 months ago
thats not really fair. those best states happens to be very not populated. there are so many other factors like poverty and education.
paulinotou 1 year ago
@paulinotou Yes am sure that home schooling is a factor and is driving up the criminal population. Also, the reports are broken down into percentages, so the per ca-pita has no barring on it. check out the reports for yourself and see where your state ranks.
rednecktrucker1969 1 year ago
@rednecktrucker1969 i lived in Belgium
paulinotou 1 year ago
@paulinotou Agreed.
Durermac 7 months ago
I wonder where Texas ranks
inbredagogo 2 years ago
it was close to the bottom if I remember correctly.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I don't think any rational person believes that religion is directly responsible for a lack of safety. It's the factors that lead to atheism or religion. New hampshire has an average IQ of 112 last I saw! That's outrageous! Obviously, they are less likely to be religious, and more safe due to their communal behaviour and schools.
I think it's also interesting that there are lots of libertarians out in atheist's Wyoming. I think they're a tad idealistic, but they have a wonderful philosophy.
LukeShetler 2 years ago
check out the video response by Desertphile, he does a better job at explaining it.
Also, I did state in the video that there are a number of factors involved.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I think that religion is moronic.
Morons believe in religion.
Morons commit crime.
"Educated" states like those down the coasts of America have less morons per capita.
I don't think it corrolates with religion - but a lack of brain power.
jazzx251 2 years ago
this is hilarious
wellineverknew 2 years ago
thank you!
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I have more data on the subject, of which I will be making a video.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Look forward to it sir!
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
It's the blacks. Every state you stated as being safe has very low black populations. Louisiana is one of the blackest states in the Union. Mississippi is the blackest state. Not being racist but the gangsta thug mentality is ruining the black community.
Satanicallyfree 2 years ago
Same could be said about the Mexican community. They give Mexicans a bad name, cause so many of them cause sooo much shit.
VulcanXL 2 years ago
There is a correlation but I don't think religion and crime are directly connected to each other. In areas where you find a greater degree of poverty you generally find more religious people including more extreme religious sects. Higher crime rates are directly linked to poverty, so it make perfect sense that these same areas would have a greater number of religious people living in poverty and subsequently committing crimes. Poverty is the real culprit here.
fywacia 2 years ago
That would have been great if you did not debase your own argument, with you own argument. If religion is supposed to give us morals and ethics, then why is their higher crime in more religious communities? Also, are you also saying that communities of atheists are rich? I am REALLY poor. Also I live in a small town that is also very poor, yet we have so few crimes that we barely have police. i do think that rel. fervor has something to do with it.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
she if he wants to think being wealthy makes you more likly to be atheist let him ! Thats more money 4 the atheists!
jjason55740 2 years ago
Global: Japan, ~56% atheists and lowest crime rate in the world :p
ijaju 2 years ago 3
According to the International Centre for Prison Studies at King's College in London, more people are behind bars in the United States than in any other country in the world.
The U.S. incarceration rate of 737 per 100,000 followed by 611 in Russia
In Denmark the rate is 46 per 100,000.
Only 49.6% of newborn are baptised.
A Godless country where the majority of people are agnostic ore atheists and therefore has no moral, crime is low?
OH man I better get out of here before hell breaks loose.
nekedemus 2 years ago 2
Well it might be because of Americas war on drugs as the reason why America has so many prisoners. Also people who go to jail for the weekend for public drunkenness are counted as the same as people who are in prison for life for murders. So incarcerations rates are inaccurate. You have to go by the amount of reported crimes .
jjason55740 2 years ago
The statistics are from prisons in the US not from county or city jails. So it is people that committed crimes and have been sentenced. I agree that many are in prison for non-violent crimes (drugs) but the point is not diminished by that either, as drugs are still primarily illegal.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Yeah but still Europe has many more liberal laws. Marijuana use and sale is legal prostitution is legal if you subtract that from the American prison population that would be a huge amount of time. Then you gotta figure Dui and child support dead beat dads of what sort and figure that in . I'm not questioning that states that are more secular probably do have a safer and lower crime but I think you have to go by what crimes were reported and what specific crimes.
jjason55740 2 years ago
75% of Americans are Christians
10% of Americans are Atheists
75% of Americans in prison are Christians
0.2% of Americans in prison are Atheists
Statistics don't lie. Look it up.
DiabeticDave17 2 years ago 12
Well, clearly we Atheists are all cowards. We run from the most dangerous states, and flock to the safest states. And the Theist are brave souls trying to save people when they go to the most dangerous states. LOL
RichardRoy2 2 years ago 2
25.6% atheist in Israel :)
smadarpopo 2 years ago 2
Compared top US Denmark is almost 10 imes safer to live in when it comes to violent crimes. And here there are maybe 23-25% that are religious. ;-)
Vogter2100 2 years ago
You look like a little heavy-set Paul Giamatti... but I can't be the first....
Hey, who cares what the "safe states" are? I want to move to Louisiana. An average intelligence guy like me looks SO FUCKING SMART in those places.
happyHominid 2 years ago
Do you not think it has a lot to do with the fact that generally non believers have been better educated, therefore are more intelligent, utilize the reading matter available which open up the paths of questioning. I think so anyway. I'm not saying all stupid people are religious but I think education in general has a lot to do with it.
shoegalsho 2 years ago 4
um ...er... red neck trucker here.
lol
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
It sounds irrelevant. Isn't california one of the states with the most atheists? It's probably low. If I take a ton of insane people and let them free into a state, will it be religions fault? Religion doesn't determine how safe it is. People don't do bad things like harm JUST because of religion, they do it out of many other factors, meaning that this can't truly be accurate unless considering other contributing factors to violence.
Bassbait 2 years ago
actually, Ca went up in catholics. Also if you know you only have one life and this is it! You are more apt to think about your actions. But if you believe that this is just a pre-life with all eternity ahead you are less likely to think about what you do here, because some dude already paid 4 ur sins, right?
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Actually, I believe that what you do here determines what happens in the afterlife, because this part is the test, and the result of the test determines your eternity, and I also tell you that I believe in god, and I believe in a god who loves us all equally, so much that he sacrificed christ, his closest son (I know what you are thinking) so that we could prepare for the afterlife and be happy. I believe the worst punishment is better than earth.
Bassbait 2 years ago
thats the whole problem with belief, is it is highly subjective, a man on death row thinks because he believes and has repented, then he gets to go to heaven, but you might not think the same way. So who is right? Well I choose facts and say neither one. :)
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
The facts don't seem to lead in any specific direction. Facts may lead to evolution, but the facts are manipulated to make stuff sound true. Example: Evolutionists say fossils prove evolution, creationists believe that these fossils were buried by floods. There is evidence to support BOTH. So I choose creation, because that one makes more sense in my mind. Mutations? Coincidence? The works of evolution itself has to have been done by a creator, or else be false. I choose to believe my choice.
Bassbait 2 years ago
hahahaha, good one fosils buried by a flood---- as a response to crime and religion. Boy that's a stretch. You people are sooooo funny. Fact is there is mounds of data on evolution and less than one chapter on creation. Man when faced with facts, versus an obvious lie you people go galloping after the lie. Probably because you cannot face the reality of life because you are not rich and famous, and darnit I deserve that, so there must b something else, right? lol
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
There is lots of evidence for certain local such as from the floods in many areas across the world, but very little evidence for a worldwide flood.
LordMalice6d9 2 years ago
"I believe that what you do here determines what happens in the afterlife"
That's nice. Adults however don't believe in such fairy tales.
FearRonPaulCultists 2 years ago
I noticed you conveniently left out mentioning the Pacific coast, which is very liberal, have a lot of atheists. California is #38 safest state. There's another correlation worth noting, however. The top 10 safest states (for the most part) do not have large urban areas and don't have a lot of blacks or illegals living in them.
That is probably a more profound correlation than religious v. non-religious.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
sorry i did not mean to leave out the left coast, like i said in the video, CA went up in Catholics by nearly 10 points and only up 4 points in non-believers. WA went up 10 points in nons and 6 points in safety OR went up 6 pts in nons and is 21st safest st. So it probably shows the same trends (unfortunately for your argument) Pls see the response video, he actually ran the numbers and got the same conclusion. Or down load the reports yourself and run it, links in sidebar. I got nothing to hide
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
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and
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rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Take a trucker, two hopelessly incomplete inductive studies, have him compare the two, then have him draw a conclusion.
You get a logical fallacy: specifically the fallacy of induction. If you can't close the induction, then you can't make a valid deduction.
This is what happens when they stop teaching basic logic, and replace it with probability and statistics.
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RedBeetle 2 years ago
actually, 2 things, first see the video response, he did the leg work on the corrilation between the two. Secondly, I kept saying that it "looks like a connection, but look it up for yourself" This means, I am not an expert and I am just giving my personal opinion (like FOX News does all the time) BTW, I have also had a person PM me about this and they ran the numbers and came up with the same exact outcome as the video response. I might want to call my "gut" right on this one. Tanks 4 comment!
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Few study logic, so I understand where your coming from. Karl Popper, father of the Falsification Principle, was more concerned with drawing conclusions from incomplete inductive studies than you are. Popper knew all scientific conclusions were always invalid and based on a self-contradicting principle (Verification Principle)--this is why he attempted to construct a new one. The more one learns about scientific method and epistemology, the less one takes it seriously.
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RedBeetle 2 years ago
i'm thinking that the connection here is that the less educated a person is, the more they tend towards crime. and statistics show that the less educated a person is, they also tend more towards religion
that's probably the connection, of course there's certainly many more factors
IzzyBunneh 2 years ago
Crime CAN be caused by poverty and I can understand that. Crime is also caused by greed, as per the over-ripe levels of corruption at all levels here in the Philippines. Money, money, money. Crime is also the result of the need for power over others.
That said, religion has so much effect in the poisoning of society yet has so little effect in keeping that society crime-free.
Is religion a waste of time and effort? For some, who have nothing more than hope in their lives, it's a placebo.
draagon66 2 years ago
i agree, there are many contributing factors, far too many to list in a youtube comment, so i didn't try
religion may have a use, if someone lacks the inherent morals the rest of us take for granted, in the end the fear of a eternal punishment might be the only thing that could keep them in line? beautiful architecture too
IzzyBunneh 2 years ago
Agreed to all. Izzy.
Yes, the architecture and the music and the art are all appreciated but that's as far as my appreciation goes. I have seen the worst possible result if the virus of religion, in islam. Once you take a serious in-depth look at islam, christianity is mild BUT could become just as vile - if we give it enough rope.
draagon66 2 years ago
just to point out to any believers who stumble across this video, we're not necessarily ( or at least i think we're not ) suggesting that if you don't believe in a god that you're more moral, there's probably allot of factors involved, but this does show clearly that 1) god's not punishing america for becoming more atheist, and 2) religious people are not morally superior
IzzyBunneh 2 years ago
hey, maybe god's chosen people are atheist? think about it, if we're to grant his existence then why does it seem like he doesn't exist? maybe he's deliberately making it seem that way in order to test us, to check if we'll take full advantage of the mental faculties he gave us, and not believe in him? and if we do, he rewards us x3
IzzyBunneh 2 years ago
I think that the data only exposes things that atheists always knew anyway.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
i think its quite simple. I sumise that the majority of athesist are educated individuals whilst religious have less formal education (not saying their stupid, just the stats favour atheist). and crime figures and intelect have a definite corraltion. the more educated and intelligent the less likly to comit crime
threesheetstadawind 2 years ago
When you deprive people of thinking for themselves and a proper education and instead stick them a book and some unrelated dogma its never going to end well.
qanazir 2 years ago
amen
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Atheists make up like 10% of the US population, but less than 1 percent of the prison population. Combine this with the stats you found, and I think there is sufficient evidence to claim correlation.
embracedestruction 2 years ago
Actually, I'm pretty sure atheists/non-belief in the USA is up around 15%. It's the figure I find most often.
But your correct about the prison population thou.
glukolover 2 years ago
I will bet you the same trend is shown in.
abortions.
teenage pregnancy
jail population
Rate of edukation
and, and, and, etc. etc.
nekedemus 2 years ago
doing the numbers on that now. More to come.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Must be nice to have someone to "forgive" all of your sins at the end of the day - I could rob a bank and validate my actions by saying "I'm a sinner, but GOD loves me anyway!"
There is a correlation. A DIRECT correlation.
kcolumbusgirl 2 years ago
So, I looked at the numbers and I did a statistical trend--- and your hypothesis is confirmed. In a few minutes I'll make a video saying so, and send a link request to you for that video.
Fucking interesting.....
Desertphile 2 years ago
Well...there's a difference between atheism in the US and in, say, the UK where I live. Here, atheism is the default: we aren't brought up on a diet of theism, by and large. In the US, it seems like the opposite is true. Atheism in the US requires that you actively discard what you're taught, through thought.
I think the moral standards of the average US atheist are therefore higher than the average UK atheist. Religion itself is not the problem here, it's lack of critical thinking.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
That is a very good observation and one that definatly needs to be explored, on both sides of the pond.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
It
IS a very good observation. And it helps to explain why you blokes (in general) aren't nearly as concerned about being an Islamic doormat,
as perhaps you ought to be.
Take it from us, every religious fanatic is a ticking time bomb, of one kind or another.
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
oh we are well aware of the nut jobs out there.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I like the syrup, and the Birtch Beer.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Vermont is pure awesome. SEriously, go to Wikipedia and try reading the article without being blown away by it's bassiveness.
sirpsychosexay 2 years ago
Maybe the high crime rate in the non atheist states is attributable to God and his holy warriors doing battle with satin.
Example; demon possessed slut wife is whoring around on God fearing drunken bastard husband.
Aforementioned God fearing drunken bastard husband drives demon from slut wife with holy Louisville slugger or righteous Smith & Wesson 44 mag.
Left wing loonies would naturally misinterpret this as adding to the crime rate when in fact it is a sign of Gods Devine Justice.
Kugruabay 2 years ago 14
This explanation deserves a Klondike Bar.
sirpsychosexay 2 years ago 7
You need to drop everything and make this comment into a video, shere genius
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Boooooriiiing. Too acurate. I see that here every day. Along with meth smokers for jesus.
The south will rise again for jesus.
Red lighters for jesus.
Gangster with badges in blue for jesus.
This is the state capital, so we have a whole other criminal class; lobyists for jesus.
But My absolute fav (not) is "God Hates Fags" for jesus.
If you have to look at my profile to know where I live,
well, you might not be an atheist.
Now THAT! is a comedy routine waiting to happen.
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
@Kugruabay I loled a bit there.
Shawn21769 1 year ago
Neveda is the least safe?
Dall5000 2 years ago
Same *exact* correlation happens between Atheism and best *COUNTRY* to live in :P
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of menFRANCIS BACON:
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
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bacon
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
The statement "the less religious the state is, the safer it is"... is in most cases true. The only question is causation. I would argue that many of the same factors that would result in higher levels of religious belief, result in crime as well. Things like the lack of a decent education, and poverty.
TheNakedAtheist 2 years ago
actually, if you search the raw data there are a few anomolies, like SD and ND, they are both pretty high on religion but low on crime, I attribute this to the extremely low population and long cold winters.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I find it curious that this inverse correlation between morality, and religion. Which is even more striking when looking that countries like Norway, is never addressed in any meaningful way by Christians.
TheNakedAtheist 2 years ago
I wouldn't be surprised to find an agricultural factor. I.E. states with predominantly farm based economies would have less crime. The workload and time factors would be constrictive to criminal activities.
theoriginalSkooby 2 years ago
well, not really because most farming states have a big city or two in them IE Kansas City, St Louis, Omaha so on. So the numbers get thrown off. I live in a small town in NM #48 worst, yet I do not lock my doors hardly ever. I have even left my home unlocked for weeks at a time while driving and everything was just fine.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I would have to say that a lack of a decent education, is THE greatest poverty, not just the greatest indicator. And that is why this nation is currently poor. I will tell you that in a town of religious fanatics, it does one no financial good, to be a round peg, in square hole land. If your IQ is bigger than your shoe size, it's likely that you will fire a lot of bosses, before you find one that fits. Or, self employment, where you grin and bear thumpers every day, just for a bite of bread.
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
Oh uh! I live in Georgia. Better watch out.
TheUndeadLawyer 2 years ago
I'm surprised that the % points for non-believers are so high. The impression the US gives the world is that it takes its religion really seriously.
I recall reading last year on similar results done in Europe. Countries with the largest atheist population - like Sweden - have the lowest crime rates. So much for Christian "morality".
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
we were all supprised over the results, there may be hope for us after all. I think the numbers were always this way, it is with recent authors and maybe even you tube, that people are ok to actually say it now. I don't think it was a dramatic jump as the numbers would indicate.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Perhaps that's it - once the stigma is gone people are prepared to be more honest.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
I think its just that the believers are still a huge, influential block of voters. They can still affect public policy.
eirefrance 2 years ago
Fifth safest state, bitches. 12% non-believer population, which is up from 4% in 1990. Not to shabby.
Thanks for pointing the "safest state" survey out and the links. It gave me something fun to do for a few minutes at least.
Demonaphia 2 years ago
Thanks for the info.
lucidatheist 2 years ago
I bet education levels would go right along with both statistics. How does DC (my 'state') rank on both? High atheist, low safety, I bet. WIth Hitchens here, right up the street from where I work, I'm sure he helps us along on both counts, with his getting into fisticuffs with the religious.
eirefrance 2 years ago
went from 7% to 18% of non-believers, since it is a District it was not in the list of states but MD right next door was 44th worst state.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Yeah, I grew up in Maryland and my family's there. I saw that and I wasn't happy. Especially because Virginia ranked so much safer. Nothing pisses off a true Marylander like Virginia success.
eirefrance 2 years ago
37 safe & only 12% none... Just 2 more reasons why I'm happy under my rock.
Cool info, thanks:)
OctaviaW 2 years ago
I noticed that alot of the states that had high population percentages of nonbelievers also happen to be the most libertarian states. I'm not going to make a judgement call on crime rates since drug arrests may have a big factor in how "safety" is reported.
But given the analysis I have to work with, could I safely conclude that the belief in god and the belief in the supremacy of government are related, and that a disbelief in god and a disbelief in gov't are related?
sirpsychosexay 2 years ago
I am sure there are way more factors than speculators. :)
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
True
sirpsychosexay 2 years ago
Louisana 49? If your correllation is true TJ better start watching his ass down there!
sirpsychosexay 2 years ago
sirpsychosexay
Taht is why yokeup and his wife are so gun happy.
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
And from Europe: The countries with the lowest crime-rates, highest levels of education, longest life-expectancy, highest standard of living and so on and so on..(the scandinavian countries)..are also the most atheistic in Europe. And the best country to live in in Asia..(Japan)..is also the most atheistic down there.. Big surprise, eh? 5 stars for the video, man!: )
winterstellar 2 years ago
yeah I knew that stuiff, and Norway has some pretty progressive jails, where they actually cure criminals and re-integrate them back into society.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
As a norwegian I can confirm that. We have been one of the top 3 countries to live in every year for atleast 10 years in a row now (According to UN). Things like tolerance, solidarity and equality stand strong in Norway. Atheists/agnostics is about 72%of the population and even most of the religious is very moderate (So moderate you wonder why they believe at all sometimes).
allinsman 2 years ago 4
Yes, and I've read that criminals from poor countries, like the old communist countries, actually say that they're better off in a norwegian jail than they would be in their own apartment back home. And they're really surprised and happy to find out that they're actually paid for "the work" they do in jail and actually have some money in their pockets when they're released. : )
winterstellar 2 years ago 3
winterstellar:
I am a Brit expat living in the bible-belt of SE Asia, the Philippines. The Spanish introduced (forcibly) Catholicism 350 years ago and more. The Phils is 85% Catholic and then we add in all the junk religions which will mean that atheism here is below 1%. Maybe me and a handful of others. YET, the country is ridden with extreme crime levels and corruption at all levels. Anyone surprised?
draagon66 2 years ago
not I.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
draagon66,
The Catholics....
Reminds me of Mexico and we know how well that worked out there.
justintempler 2 years ago
Ugh... I need to go back to the East Coast.
*hugs* for the shout-out.
xxxThePeachxxx 2 years ago
Maybe TommyfromTheBronx has room at his pad you could crash there.
lol
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
it seems obvious to me that if a person claims to be an atheist, they spent some time thinking about life. The atheist chooses their own morals, and the decision comes from deep inside the person. Such morals are more likely to be followed/ The pious person has their morals fed to them, from outside sources - preachers and holy books. Their morals don't influence them as strongly, because they are not indigenous. This is why atheists are morally superior to the pious, and the stats prove it.
floydstinkyboy 2 years ago
links are in now!
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
I live in Minnesota too. I didn't realize that our state was so religious. I guess it's because all my friends are non religious. Then again most of my friends have at least an associates in science.
SpectacleRidicule 2 years ago
I am in New Mexico, I think you saw it incorrectly. MN doubled their non-believers from 6% to 12% and is 17th safest up 2 positions.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
How very unamusing this is. One should also note that the more religious a state is, the more federal welfare it receives. The "red states" get more than the "blue states," to the point that the "blue states" are subsidizing the "red" ones.
Desertphile 2 years ago 2
sorry for being "unamusing", numbers are a dry subject, and yes, like I pointed out in the video, there are probably a ton of stats that have an influence, but I was just reading the two. It is bad science I know but the idea was to get people to think about it and not take my word for it.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Unamusing as in the stats, not the video. :-) I just did an Excel spreadsheet with the data: most dangerous, safest, and religious. At the moment I do not see a correlation. Would you like the spreadsheet?
Desertphile 2 years ago
the stats you cite could make an interesting follow up video if you wanted to do it.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
shit, do your own work...your IP dont come with google?
JK i'll put them in.
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
Better education+more socially stability+lack of poverty=atheism AND less crime.
qanazir 2 years ago 6
great vid!
forthecaptain 2 years ago