Ashley Bathgate - Pt 1- Martino: Parisonatina al'Dodecafonia

[9mercurio9]

...Martino is a very artistic product of our time with influence lines from serialism in the American school but also from the german Romanticism, specially from Schumann, but above all is an original voice that lives in his wonderful music.

[9mercurio9]

and yes the cultural and historic power of the tonality tradition has today a great influence in several ways we construct, think & enjoy music, but it also exist the other influences even more radical than the Carter, Babbitt, et al, musics.

[9mercurio9]

I agree with you in the example you write down, however that example perhaps not match or reflect reality. Right now in a international music scenario with a plurality of musical styles and even musical systems, Modernism and Post-Modernism expressions coexist in an nutritive way...

[OldSkoolMark]

Very convincing performance.

[rockermatias]

escucho esto y me descoloca

no tiene logica

no se parece a nada de lo que he escuchado desde que naci

probablemente ese es el objetivo de esta musica

pero no comprendo el fin ultimo que tiene

de trascendencia

es decir, no me imagino a alguien que se sepa esta cancion y la vaya tarareando por la calle, como hace cualquiera con la musica que le gusta y le identifica

no lo entiendo

[dulcineavampiresa]

Bueno eso es porque es una dodecafonía, es un estilo que se desarrollo en base a doce notas y sin el uso de armadura, y el chiste era no repetir ninguna nota dentro de una misma serie. Es algo realmente interesante, pero no es para que sigas el ritmo ni la tararees.

[rockermatias]

si se cuales son las bases teoricas de la dodecafonia, por eso de hecho llegue a ver este video.

es simplemente que no entiendo el sentido de trascendencia que tiene.

la musica es mas que escribir cosas complejas y "originales"

si fuera por eso, tocamos co los instruemntos desafinados, despues de todo nadie mas lo hace

[dulcineavampiresa]

Como que es un pex más conceptual no crees?

Bueno no sé, a mi si me gusta mucho x)

Y en esta pieza en particular...tiene una ejecución muy interesante y complicada. Cada autor quiere sobresalir con un nuevo concepto, y bueno este fue el de uno de los legados de Shoenberg xD

[navarretet]

excelent! great excelent! player great Martinos piece just made for the instrument

[dulcineavampiresa]

The people who doesn't understand this should start from asking theirselves about the name "dodecaphony".

[sonicpsychiatry]

Wow! This is an amazing Martino piece. Thanks for sharing it with us.

[lemurianone]

Loved the performance!! Wish I could have seen it in person.

[JackN7Old]

sincerely i can't understand this kind of music maybe i am completlely disinformed about it but i am a musician too and for me it look like a group of notes whitout sense... maybe i'm wrong but i don't know ........

[runescapemichbla]

I hate people talking about 'understanding' music. You listen to music, find it beautiful or not. I'm not saying music can't have a deeper sense, but this music clearly not beautiful. As a matter of fact, It's crap.

When most musicians reach a certain level they always go experimental like this. Too bad cuz I believe they have the skills for real inspiring music. I guess it's just the urge to be different from other musicians.

[ogskeetdizzle]

@runescapemichbla

comment fail. u know nothing about music. if u have an ear for it, then it's good, don't call it crap, all music is created based on mathematics. someone with an intellecual mind like myself can listen to this and necrophagist , and other good metal

[runescapemichbla]

@ogskeetdizzle I can listen to this too... but i also can listen to my own fart. It has no content... this is dadaism for music. entartete kunst! btw its funny how you tell me i know nothing about music while i play the violin more than 11 years and for exactly 5 years now piano. btw did you just say that this is metal ? lol dude learn about music failcmment pfff

[ogskeetdizzle]

@runescapemichbla

i didn't say this was metal learn to read. necrophagist are a metal band very complex. u wouldn't like them, i guarantee this song was wrote on sheet. now tell me that is not music.

[ogskeetdizzle]

@runescapemichbla

and what does it matter , i'm talking to a runescape fan. lol mmorpg's suck and anyone who plays them have no meaning in life. see ya later.

[runescapemichbla]

@ogskeetdizzle its funny how your comment is filled with preconceived opinions... all wrong btw

[runescapemichbla]

@ogskeetdizzle tbh if you dont reply i guess you retreat from the discussion? because i find it interesting to talk to someone who is actually interested in this provoking way of making music...

[OliveCelloColin]

@ogskeetdizzle  "all music is based on mathematics" is a very Avant-Gard statement. Not all music is based on mathematics, in fact, very little is. Music is much more than just for someone with an "intellectual mind" to appreciate. Still, this is music and it should be given a chance. I personally being a classical musician (a cellist) do not care for this type of music. Music should not all be about requiring the listener to engage in some deep cerebral process in order to find meaning.

[ogskeetdizzle]

@OliveCelloColin

if you want to get technical the air you breathe the water you drink, everything around you contains mathematics....

[OliveCelloColin]

@ogskeetdizzle True, there is math everywhere. But must everything be thought of at such a technical level? There is a point in which math, science, "technique" shuns out the music. Music is emotion, feeling, indescribable form of unique spiritual communication. If you're always trying to find the logic and mathematical side in it, you're going to miss out on it's true meaning and purpose.

[ogskeetdizzle]

@OliveCelloColin i play guitar, drums, bass, and keyboards, i am not missing out on anything.

[bearsrider]

@JackN7Old My teacher of Composition Class used to say: "Listening to Music is like listening to Poetry... If a poem is written in German and you can't understand German, then you can't establish whether you like it or not. Tonal music lived for centuries and it has been affected by thousand of historical re-design. If Bach heard the actual tonal music he would say that's not music. Now, we are even talking about a non-tonal music, with different rules from the tonal one... a different language!

[brauliofreire]

fantastic!

[ic3world]

fanfreakingtastic,you have a realtast for gd music';

[echasalow]

Don was one of the great American composers and we miss him. It is very gratifying to know his music still speaks to performers. Thank you for this treat Ashley.

[lucadepu]

la musica dodecafonica fa schifo.

[lordcica]

Fantastic! How can she remember to this?

[Codabow]

I'm look at the score to this right now, and it's ridiculous. Kudos to you for not only figuring out all the notation, but also for playing it very well.

[posteriorpaste]

Donald Martino's Parisonatina al'Dodecafonia for solo cello is a whimsical as well as a passionate piece. It is equal parts jazz and serial techniques, but also with a sense of the long lines of romantic music. Bathgate's performance catches all this well. Those who wish to learn to write for the cello should study this carefully. Richard Hermann

[Grace3d]

WOW.......