FTL: Shot congresswoman was violent too (Arizona shooting)

[Nerocification]

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The Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner was a left-wing pothead. In order for a true mental illness to be diagnosed one must be clean for two years for brain chemistry to normalize enough for a proper diagnosis. The left is trying to blame it entirely on mental illness now that it has been established that he was a liberal. (see my About Me for link)

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At first the left not only blamed Palin & Beck for the shooting but campaigned to revoke Palin’s right to freedom of speech.

[Nerocification]

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On 12 January 2011, the Mexican government unveiled a new database giving a total of 34,612 people killed over the past four years. This total included suspected drug gang members, members of the security forces as those considered innocent bystanders

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We're mourning the loss of six in Az shooting. Just imagine if that crap crossed the border.

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Allen West 2012

[goofydog2]

I don't believe it takes much thought to understand how the congress woman and the judge are among the first to be identified. If the reports mentioned the other victims too quickly, the news outlets run the risk of being the first to inform family members. When that happens, the news is blasted for being incredibly insensitive and greedy. Of course, it sounds like the RIDLEY REPORT would most certainly be among those chastising the news media for NOT keeping mum until relatives are informed.

[maj1kninja07]

The judge was the target, the congresswoman was for the legislative battle.

[SulfuricAcidChugger]

I think it's pathetic that you idiots are still arguing over whether he was "left" or "right".

He was an anarchist, meaning he doesn't exactly abide by the standard 2 party system like the rest of you losers trying to politicize every little bit of this incident. Clowns.

[abrnt1]

Anyone who believes this didn't happen & is a hoax is need of some serious mental help.

[BigDirtyBasterd]

See something, Say something came from the Casinos in Las Vegas. Just FYI.

[CornFedArmen]

“Never retreat Nancy, just reload. The most productive Speaker of the House in modern history has no reason to retreat from leading her caucus.”

Posted on the Huffington Post 2 months ago & still on the Huffington Post to this day.

It looks like Loughner must have been a fan of the Huffington Post.

[BoredomCorner]

@CornFedArmen Sounds to me like he was also quoting Palin.

[Josh8753]

How could anyone be so stupid to even believe this really happened? Even the woman who supposedly got shot THROUGH the wrist was videotaped leaving the hospital with NO bandages. And, you can clearly see both wrists and they are perfect. Lot’s of things don’t add up with this story! Then the guy who was shot in the cheek is on television smiling WITH ALL HIS TEETH, and leaning on the side he SAID he was shot! Paleeeeezzzz

[BoredomCorner]

@Josh8753 Actually I saw bandages, in the footage my Canadian TV station aired.

[BoredomCorner]

@Josh8753 BTW do you have the balls to tell the Tuscon police and EMS that you don't believe this happened? Or Mr. Giffords? Or the family of that 9 year old girl? Where the hell did all of those dead bodies come from, if this didn't happen?

[Frostweld]

@WW2medalsNpatchesME Wow, I remember my first beer. Calm down Francis.

[Treetale]

Misleading and non-factual title, just to get views, how lame. Your co-host even pointed out that "violence" argument was horse shit. This is the first video of yours I've seen and it'll be the last too. I always hate when morons think they can report on something with absolutely no basis in fact, just a bunch of fear mongering.

[Treetale]

Misleading and non-factual title, just to get views, how lame. Your co-host even pointed out that "violence" argument was horse shit. This is the first video of yours I've seen and it'll be the last too. I always hate when morons think they can report on something with absolutely no basis in fact, just a bunch of fear mongering.

[Frostweld]

This is what you get for allowing someone with a mic, that has NOT even read anything in the healthcare bill. They're just spouting the republican scare tactics and lies without doing any research. You really think this helps?!? If I did the kind of speculating these 3 did, in this post, I would say something like, "This video incites people to violence". I'm not basing my statement in fact, but who cares, as long as I get my point across.

[Frostweld]

Amazing. If the fight against the healthcare bill was based on factual information, the republicans would have no argument.

[beefygoblin]

He ranted about the gold standard and how the bankers control things, then he shot a Jew... I have a theory. Not so much tea party as Nazi.

[TheTracker11rt]

All the people who attack Ridley Report on this: These people predicted the right wing would be attacked, and the liberty community would be lumped in. That happened. For 24 hours Limbaugh was attacked, then after than Ron Paul. They even made up crap like this guy was for the gold standard, therefore Ron Paul instigated this.

The great insight was from the lady: They want to make attacking a Democrat a hate crime: That's happening. Criticize nationalized healthcare- "you're a racist!"

[TheTracker11rt]

Awesome reporting with insight I agree with, unlike CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, CNN, Fox, MSBNC, MSCNBCBC, and Larry Silverstein.

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd Personally, I really don't give a shit what happens to him, so long as he isn't afforded the opportunity to harm people again. It is people who are out and free in society, who have such hard-ons to torture... even 'monsters' that are cause for alarm. I think your statements and overall demeanor provide a disturbing forecast to the remainder of your moral character.

I think you have the closeted gay preacher syndrome, who needs to smash anything that resembles a mirror.

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd There is no big morality play going on here, the man in b.r.o.k.e.n. -- and your moral condemnations are like trying to convince me how great of a chess player you are by playing against a broken computer with shit for software. Frankly it makes you look more than a bit insane.

And to answer your q, which would you rather have be your fate -- to die senselessly, or to become the madman?

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd I am not sure if sympathy correlates to right and wrong as strictly as you think. If I ask myself -- given I have a friend who goes nuts over the years and does what JL did, OR.... I have a friend who is victim of such a man. The latter is a pretty random and tragic thing -- my niece died somewhat that way.

You see what happened as a problem with the mans soul, I see it as a problem with his mind- something in his mind ate away at his soul.

[justicepartyuk]

Sarah Palin & Tea party are responsible for encouraging people to use m-6 machine gun, don't retreat reload. click Justice party UK.

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd You said this:Moronic asshole should be stripped of his rights and tortured for the rest of his life

Now, if that is a sign of a sane and rational human being, heres what I want you to do. The next time your daughter goes out with some boy, ask him if such people should be tortured the rest of their life.

It will be a good test of his character, and you will know if he is as good and noble as you -- someone you can trust your daughter to.

[zsezse215]

He was a Manchurian Candidate. Like Mark Chapman. It's Catholic guilt. philipnute com

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd {It's sad you see me as the bad guy}

Yea, I feel people who want to torture people who have lost their mind as bad. I must be a poor judge of character as you say. I'm sure we would have a much better world if we hire a bunch of torturers to torment all people who are convicted of violent crimes -- or at least murderers. Would be cool to see a bunch of old fogies getting their nuts kicked forever and ever.

I see your point now. We should put it on TV to warn people of what happens.

[CornFedArmen]

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Obama

"We're going to punish our enemies" Barack Obama

"I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I'm angry!" Barack Obama

[Robert697]

I have to wonder who's insane in all this. Before the suspect was identified, many republican commentators on the net were immediately blaming illegal immigration for the shooting. Then it turned out that not only was the shooter white, the guy credited for saving Giffords' life is hispanic.

The rhetoric on the right went silent, and the rhetoric on the left began.

All I can say is, shut the fuck up and listen to what you're spewing from your mouth. Clean it out, then speak .... maybe.

[eartina]

Texe Marrs - Jared Loughner Is A Liberal Jewish Satanist - Rense

[warmman519]

Kill two birds with one stone.

Jared Loughner, himself, just like all other campus shooters, greyhound bus killers, and other wired criminals, is a victim of the government mind control and slavery. They conduct crimes based on whatever their master commanded.

Brainwashing, mind control is practiced by psychiatry industry, in detail, ACT team. He is OUT PATIENT of ACT team, under years of mind programming, and carrying out missions for political purposed.

[papalosopher]

Wow. What a bunch of bastards. No class.

[RidleyReport]

@papalosopher Your message "Wow. What a bunch of bastards. No class. " was flagged as spam so I unflagged it. Angry ant-RidleyReport messages are welcome at RidleyReport....

[papalosopher]

@RidleyReport Oh.  Thanks. That shows a lot of... class.

[c64c64c64]

"the bigger the lie, the more people believe it" adolf hitler..

imagine for an instant giffords was NOT shot, and neither were the other people involved (only 4 people were mentioned)...she could be hidden away for a few months, then reappear fully "healed" and running for a presidency she will win easily.

(of course this is probably a load of shit, but its just as likely as the whole "sarah palin killed giffords idea)

[jgsouter]

@101johngalt I agree to disagree. Never the twain shall meet as it were. Be safe.

[Obakedake]

I think the radio waves have caused brain damage to these people...

[TheyDidThis]

This was an assassination on Federal Judge Rolls in connection with the death of John Wheeler III in Delaware. If you notice the Judge is not talked about and the Wheeler case has now vanished.

Giffords was subbed to her shooters YT account

9yr old Girl was born 9-11-2001

911 calls say shooter ran/shooter tackled

Old woman standing beside shooter grabbed clip on reload so shooter could be tackled. But never was shot beside the shooter.

No clips of the shooting released on the net.

[TheyDidThis]

Shooters YT account still up.

Giffords YT account now unsubs to shooter.

Giffords shot point blank in head with 9mm and less than 18hrs later from surgery is giving thumbs up sign.

Giffords connected to the Military Industrial Complex.

Giffords office attacked days before shooting.

Shooter weapon described as "semi auto weapon" over and over and over.

No large amounts of blood seen at the seen in RAW Videos

These are just a few anomalies...

[TheyDidThis]

Shooters lawyer was also Oklahoma Bombers and Unabombers Lawyer.

Shooter has 3 part name Jared Lee Loughner.

Shooter was "lone gunman"

Shooter talked of mind control.

Shooter talked of military work.

Unabomber plead guilty on Jan 22. 13 years ago. Lets see when Loughner does the same with the same lawyer.

[nhrevolutionist]

@TheyDidThis

Let's not forget Laughner and Gifford's attended the same synagogue.

[jgsouter]

@101johngalt Of course we can compare stats. Like we do when comparing healthcare, standard of living, car ownership, poverty etc. I would also add that the gun laws are not harsh here, they are sensible. 99% of the population are idiots. I certainly dont want them armed. I do think that it is probably too late to change things over there though. You have too many vocal gun nuts who will never ever use their gun for anything but target practice. A dangerous waste of time.

[dljc1979]

it was the federal judge they wanted dead, he had just judged some stuff that obama and his lot didn't want to happen, they killed him, i can't find the link for it, research it.

[fhattest]

@101johngalt i think your taking my point in a different direction there psycho

[pjicleanair420]

To all the little lab rats so willing to forgo their constitutional right to bare arms over a shooting take this into perspective. The Govt of the United States has killed more persons than others combined in the last 100 years. So with that thought in mind maybe we should ban the Govt also.

[313BarbieDoll]

@fasfsdfasd Dnt Nobody Like yu Go where yu came from the dirt damn...!

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd It was a simple question- if he were your son, what would you want done to him.

I call this the Rush Limbaugh dilemma, an anti-drug guy caught with drugs... Whatever punishment you want to give, you should also accept it if it were your loved one, son, grandson, cousin, wife -- or you.

Its all too easy to slip into the victims shoes, or that of his family. Why don't you try on the shoes of his parents, or acquaintances.

A boy was left to rot, thats all.

[fhattest]

if he didnt have a gun he would have ran them over with his car and then what our cars would become illegal

[jgsouter]

@101johngalt Please explain why you cannot compare the gun crime rates in different countries? One has lots of guns the other does not. One has lots of gun related deaths the other does not. Surely the two factors are not mutually exclusive. I think the self protection argument is a false one. I would like to know what the figures are to support this hypothesis. E.g how many attempted rapes, robberies, murders etc were foiled by a gun toting victim. Surely they would attack unexpectedly?

[jgsouter]

American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

[mindprism]

@jgsouter {American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun}

In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms and 42,642 deaths from automobiles.

Guns are indispensable tools, just like cars. No one hesitates to take their kid to his soccer game because of likelihood of death. Not one iota.

Heart disease: 616,067

Cancer: 562,875

Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 135,952

Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924

Accidents (unintentional injuries): 123,706

[jgsouter]

@mindprism A gun is an indispensable tool? For a soldier maybe. I have never needed one. A bosch drill maybe. A car yes. 30, 896 deaths from firearms? Fu** me! If that doesent put the shits right up you nothing will. How many of those were kids? Yeah we all die of something but it seems like you dont put many hurdles in the way of idiots to get hold of these things. And what are the odd's on a kid dying at a soccer game?

[mindprism]

@jgsouter {I have never needed one}

And I hope you never do. Do you buy life insurance? Do you expect to use it? No. But it is there when you need it.

Very soon, every American who has guns will be damn glad they have them.

[justicepartyuk]

Sarah Palin & Tea party were saying fire with m-16. don't retreat reload. Tea party was saying gather the warriors. These people were inciting murder for political votes. click Justice party UK.

[jgsouter]

@101johngalt Lets look at the evidence shall we? U.S gun related deaths per 100 000 population = 3.92. UK gun related deaths per 100 000 population = 0.10. And your argument is that those figures are not the result of guns being as easy to obtain as a bag sweets in some places in the U.S. Both countries have their nutjobs but I would rather lessen the odds thanks. As for your libertarian argument I seriously doubt that some Hitleresque figure is looking to take over the U.S.

[detoth67]

@101johngalt Come on little girl! You lied about Hitler and lied about more guns lowering violence. Yet you can't admit it.

In fact, Arizona has the least restrictive gun laws in the country.

I'd say that you are finished here. You were finished before I even got here.

[detoth67]

@101johngalt Don't like the truth, do you? That must be why you worship Rand

[detoth67]

I'm locked and loaded, ready for a second amendment solution to conservative treason!

Its time to declare open hunting season on all conservatives

Are you offended cons? I'm only using your own rhetoric! PRECISELY the way your side uses it. Spineless con hypocrites!

[detoth67]

@101johngalt Actually, Hitler eased gun restrictions imposed by the Weimar republic. And if you look at Minnesota gun violence, it actually skyrocketed after conceal carry was allowed.

Like your messiah Ayn Rand, you have your head up your con ass!

[Naufragus420]

@101johngalt The only time it can be considered okay to take a human life is when he or she poses an immediate threat to your life or liberty, and there is no other nonviolent option. This was cold blooded murder by a lunatic who, from what I have read couldn't even get his ideologies straight.

[alltvisanimated]

Has anyone seen the interview with the cab driver who drove Jared to the crime scene? You've got to see that video interview!

[gibsyboy]

@101johngalt You r so dumb your prob another America fatty

[pccchurch]

He is a hero

[grimcity]

@pccchurch

He was a mass murderer and a child killer.

[jgsouter]

@101johngalt I would be more interested in the stats regarding the number of people who have used these guns to protect themselves. Whenever these nutjobs kick off I never hear "luckily Bob had a weapon of his own and took out the madman before he could do any harm". I do hear that children often get hold of these weapons and tragedies ensue. Maybe its a reporting glitch but I doubt it. People will always be able to get hold of guns but less guns = less killings.

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd {You're a fucking monster}

You're the one who wants to torture people who are mentally ill. Torture them forever in fact.

Suppose it was your son who lost his marbles, would you want to peel his skin off? What would you want to do to him... tell us.

Or are you too much of a coward to admit what you are?

[CorruptTelevision]

Lincoln Couldn't Survive

But she did

Thank God she's alive

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd {you say he shouldn't be executed?!!.}

I didn't say that, but let's suppose he was executed. Does that stop other crazies? I'd say he was so fucked up he WANTED to die.

{in hell where you can burn for eternity for promoting these murders}

Your form of punishment may be promoting these type of peoples actions -- ever think of that?

And don't give me your bullshit about mourning -- frothing at the mouth is not how humans morn.

[Naufragus420]

Two wrongs still don't make a right.

[at477sf]

Paylin was the messenger----Loughner got the message....who's next on the map???

[Alexn1067]

@at477sf hopefully you

[jgsouter]

Just one more nutcase with access to firearms.

[LiberaLib]

@101johngalt "At least the shooter was honest and had the balls to be so. Democrats, especially politicians, are dishonest cowards. Would I have shot her? NO, but at the same time, I don't give two shits about her pathetic, scummy life."

your words, you sick fuck.

[freesk8]

The shooter was not a libertarian, nor was he a TEA Party activist. He was a 22-year old mentally ill former community college student. He was kicked out of his community college and told he could not come back until he got mental treatment.

Among his favorite books were such non-libertarian works as Plato's Republic and Hitler's Mein Kampf. He was a fan of silver and gold-backed currency, and the media will probably use this against that movement, but it is ad hominem.

[LiberaLib]

@freesk8 sure, he just did exactly what a tea partier WOULD do if he had been one. tried to execute a dem who voted for the nazi obamacare and wanted immigration reform, who had been on a sarah palin hit list and who had been a target for teabag protests ever since she voted for HCR. he also listed an ayn rand title among his favorites, the godmother of the tea party movement.

second amendment remedies. this is what they look like.

[freesk8]

@LiberaLib R. Reagan was shot by Hinckley, which was just what Hinckley would have done if he had been a member of the Russian KGB. So by your reasoning, Hinckley must have been KGB? Wrong. Your logic is faulty on this point. You have not shown that Gifford's shooter was a TEA Party member.

Sorry, Ayn Rand was no "godmother of the TEA Party movement." She was a radical atheist. Most TEA Party folks are Christians, not atheists like me.

Gun control would not have prevented this.

[justicepartyuk]

Sarah Palin & Tea party are responsible for the shooting.click Justice party UK.

[CHlLDM0LESTER]

@urajokeass OH YEAH.. WE ARE PISSED.

[animateclay]

The last line in this video is "it's sad people are getting pushed to that point now". But how can you say that in context of the killer? He most likely had no actual realistic understanding of the political system or our freedoms. He rambled on about sleep, and dreams and long strings of numbers on his YouTube page. He wasn't pushed to the point of the killing. The guy was inane and doesn't represent anyone except other psychopaths.

[LiberaLib]

@101johngalt good to see first-hand evidence that teabaggers love this shooter. confirms what i've been saying all along.

[MooseOfReason]

There's no justification for this. This was not self defense.

Rest in peace, Christina Green.

[rabbit2110]

I wonder if anyone in this crowd has a firearm... think that if there was this wouldn't have gone the way it did. I am sure that his first couple of shots would have gotten off but he wouldnt have been able to get a full 30 rounds off.

[eneffect]

Listen to that asshole Marc laugh at Gifford being shot "through her brain" at 3:22

[tombqnyc]

Ayn Rand is porn for psycho GOP selfish traitors

Tea Party is a bunch of scared white people who hate and spew violence

but do not see it 'cause they are psychotic and do not see themselves!

(Dr Denise Fennetti; DID YOU LOOK? LOOK AT YOURSELVES: your becks, Palins, Bachmans anbd others openly threatening violence. You will kill or be killed just to prove your point? Maybe the tea party will literally die out

[BankstersR4Communism]

@tombqnyc I suggest you stay away from your Mom's medications...

[terrygus1]

yes

[manmanguy]

Look at the kids youtube page, he is obviously a whack job. I knew the media would try to spin this into a "political rhetoric made him do it" kind of thing. Noone knows his motive yet and it's totally irresponsible for anyone to base blame on TOTAL conjecture as to his motives.

[thechitowncubs]

@Joe11Blue Violence through government is still violence

[Joe11Blue]

She was not really a bad Person, but not exactly a good politician. I wouldn't call her violent though.

Sorry this one is a failure Ridley, bad reporting and too much speculation.

[sokoboo]

I call B.S.

The government did commit an act of violence but what about the other 17 people

[sharpie443]

This is kinda tasteless. Attacking someone who just got shot in the face is not the best idea to bring people to your side. I don't agree with the back lash on guns and whatnot but still. Give it a week.

[rrhynes]

This isn't about gun control . She got shot and so did a bunch of innocent people. it's no differnt than any other negligent act, intentional or not. It could have been a car that ran through a crowd. Same result.

[HungryDingo]

I don't condone violence like this, but let's be real and honest here. The government uses violence against the citizens of the country as well as in the countries we occupy abroad every day. Now one person has done something violent against one government official and they're going to act like their the victims? Give me a break... violence has come full circle, I think the government ought to start respecting human rights inside and outside this country.

[wendyjsmith]

are you kidding me? these guys compare making all americans have health care to the same violence as this guy killing 6 people!!! read the violent rhetoric from tea party candidates. read about palin's "reload" with pictures of cross hairs. leaders have to stop encouraging and suggesting violence. pathetic!

[WilAzzamEdison]

lol

[Anothercoilgun]

We will so ZERO results of trial. Court will be closed.

[Gdslayer7]

This chick is BADASS. She survived a bullet through her brain. Most Republican congressman don't look like they could survive another donut. She has my full support. For all you haters, go join the WBC.

[exanchorite]

I totally agree with the ACLU comment! I was a fiscal Conservative for as long as I can remember, and switched to Minarchism when I got involved with Ron Paul's push. I hated the ACLU until I did the research and focussed my political efforts on purely freedom.

[AngryHateMusic]

OMG Dale said something intelligent! Politicians are violent people.

[younitehumanity]

I wish the congress woman and all others involved the very best. This was what I was afraid of...the crazies doing crazy stuff.

[mindprism]

@fasfsdfasd {Moronic asshole should be stripped of his rights and tortured for the rest of his life}

The kid is obviously a mental case, what is your torturing going to do -- teach a lesson to the demons inside him?

Grow up -- this is the 21st century. Do you want to also torture rabid dogs? Would that make you happy? Make you feel safe?

You are a sick person, get yourself checked out.

[slewofdamascus]

@mindprism here here (well said).

[MyNameIsNobody187]

sorry, i can´t complete my posting in one piece.

Hard enough just learning english !

continuing ...

as is said: some of us in Germany have no more Health Insurance,

-(it is forced by law, but the costs.. they know that we would freakt out, so the law is no consequently followed)-

Such a system that provides dumb money to industries and doctors,

right now is impossible. you will lose everything. plane level field with us.

Service crashs , costs grow

bad Doctor-patient relation

[homeagent]

@MyNameIsNobody187 yes, that is the plan. They want to destroy America. very sad! Thank you...We love the German people !!

[MyNameIsNobody187]

My previous comment is not complete.

In

If you are going to install a Health Care System as we have in Europe,

the service will not improve.

The problem is, once they have access to the money in the way they do in some parts of europe,

the doctors will no longer care about patients.

Unless you are really rich. On the other hand you have much less money,

as you HAVE TO pay INCREDIBLE ! AMOUNTS  for Health Care.

I have no insurance, MANY DONT ! There are so many lies !!!

[MyNameIsNobody187]

Hello Americans ! I´m European, living in Germany. My comment is of vital importance.

You may ask me, i will answer any question.

Please do not stop questioning the forced Health Care Changes coming to America.

It does not work in Germany !

I´m sick, have a bad Injury, but in Germany only the rich can get treated when it comes to complicate issues.

I´m a foreign Ingineer, have been treated like crap since i was born.

Please americans, trust me, your money will disappear

[MayonR]

Bizarre Alert!! Giffords YouTube page has 220 subscribers but she is subscribed to 2 people. And one of the subscriptions is to the shooters page. WTF! Check it out before it's removed. Her page is "giffords2 " and the shooter is under the name "Classitup10 ". Please spread this info.

[justintempler]

@MayonR Well giffords2 last visited the YouTube page 17 hours ago. Could be a staffer or it could be a fanpage that thought it was important to link to Classitup10.

giifords2 page also lists her age as 27 instead of her correct age 40

[amzuel420]

Something ain't right here. Let's watch and see how many more gun laws are imposed upon law abiding citizens. It's like following the money only you're following an agenda.

[slewofdamascus]

It's possible that within the mainstream mind-control-matrix lies a fail-safe, which is designed for the mentally-ill. When one who is thoroughlly entrenched within the mainstream "culture" somehow awakens from that "program" to witness the often harsh truth about the nature of reality, blow-back is inevitable, to one degree or another, be it 1 in 5,000 or whatever. This "blow-back" is a pre-designated feature; the matrix is stregthened by the fall-out, while its detractors are weakened.

[ericfontainejazz]

Apparently she's pro-military (voted to continue funding the US occupation in Iraq) and is "tough on immigration"...

In other news, a botched Massachusetts drug raid results in cops murdering an innocent 66-year old man. Just one of the 150 or so drug raids everyday.

Thanks for posting these clips, Dave Ridely.

[LiberaLib]

the shooter is so obviously one of you. anyone who talks this idiotic talking point that health care reform "violence" helped to set this lunatic off. and you'll get more kids killed, too, i predict, before you're done preaching this extremist garbage.

[ckairnes68]

@LiberaLib Moron, Are you serious? You're going to try to connect this maniac with Ridley? The people the country that are peacefully protesting, getting arrested on a daily basis to point out our government is out of control, we do not condone violence. We are not extreme for wanting to live our lives without government interference. This kid obviously had mental issues. He probably came down from all the drugs being prescribed to him by the liberal pyschologist from his government school.

[LiberaLib]

@ckairnes68 he targeted a democrat on a sarah palin hitlist, who supported obamacare and immigration reform, he ranted against the government teabagger-style, he wants to go back to the gold standard just like glenn beck, he was an ayn rand reader. it couldn't be more obvious he's another kid-killing teabagger. we'll see a lot more people take teabagger bullets before this is all over, i think. welcome to your "second amendment" reality, you kid-murdering fuck. burn in hell.

[homeagent]

@LiberaLib you think going back to the gold standard is bad?? you think Ayn Rand books make people want to kill?? do you think it's ok to call people a derogitory sexually insulting name?? c,mon now, you're getting caught up in the left v. right paradigm and you're saying meen things along w/ things you obviously don't understand.

but it's ok...kinda...you've been brainwashed., not your fault., be @ peace.

[LiberaLib]

@homeagent im not saying they're necessarily bad or good. i'm saying they're things this shooter holds in common with the tea party movement.

you guys love to talk about "second amendment remedies" for politicians you don't care for. well, this is what "second amendment remedies" look like.

[slewofdamascus]

@LiberaLib and the fact he listed communist manifesto as a "favorite" means.......? What "couldn't be more obvious" if you were actually objective and watched his videoes is that he is mentally ill, there's not a coherent thought in any of his videoes, but what are facts when you want so desperately to believe in the right-wing "boogeyman"? Trying to make sense out of the actions of the mentally disturbed is hard enough by itself without projecting your wayward sensibilities into the matter.

[LiberaLib]

@slewofdamascus the communist manifesto thing is the ONLY aspect of the shooter's profile and actions that doesn't fit perfectly into a teabagger worldview. EVERYTHING else -- his chosen victim (who supported obamacare and immigration reform), his anti-government rhetoric, his glenn beck-style desire to go back to the gold standard, his taste for ayn rand and mein kampf, his obvious interest in "second amendment remedies" etc., it ALL fits perfectly with what i hear from teabaggers constantly.

[slewofdamascus]

@LiberaLib mein kampf? Really? That's part of the "teabagger" "taste" that you "hear constantly"? Well, I am not a tea party follower, by any stretch of the imagination, but I have never heard them aspouse ideas related mein kampf and you are the first person I have ever heard make that claim. Can you provide examples beyond this tragedy? Quite honestly, that claim seriously undercuts your credibility (on many levels). But if you can back it up I will retract my statement.

[herzogsbuick]

@LiberaLib If more Arizonians exercised their open carry right, this murderer would not have killed 20 people, if even he showed up for the deed at all. Sarah Palin is a despicable wench, in the leagues of Newt Gingrich, Dick Army, et al. But these people are establishment, why would Sarah Palin make a 'hitlist' if she thought its constituents would be murdered by her supporters? Does that make any fucking sense? This is a gun-control nightmare. BTW, civilians ended the ordeal, not the cops...

[LiberaLib]

@herzogsbuick i don't know how you make this a "gun control nightmare" issue in a state that has probably the most lax gun control laws in the nation. somehow i doubt this guy would have been able to kill six people and wound a dozen more with a set of steak knives. he had a highly efficient handgun designed to kill large numbers of people rapidly and it excelled at that task. he was able to do what he did because he had the right tool: a handgun designed to take human life en masse.

[herzogsbuick]

@LiberaLib lol since you didn't read the first sentence of my post, I'm happy to let you look foolish on your own, as you clearly need no assistance.

[ckairnes68]

@LiberaLib You're a brave little fuck. If people were allowed to openly carry, maybe there would have been someone to protect themselves and that poor little girl. The second amendment did not kill anyone, it has only protected responsible gun owners. That kid was not in the Tea Party, he had a personal grudge. I see the media has already made your mind up for you on the subject, which tells everyone here where you get your information. You obviously don't know the first thing about Ayn Rand.

[BlueCollarSurvival]

@ckairnes68 agreed

[LiberaLib]

@ckairnes68 right, the second amendment didn't kill anyone. because it's totally easy to kill 6 people and wound 12 more in the course of less than 5 seconds with a louisville slugger or a crowbar.

[detoth67]

@ckairnes68 Actually, Arizona has the least restrictive gun laws and most open conceal carry laws in the nation. That kinda blows your conservative babbling nonsense to shit, doesn't it?

I hate to break it to you, but until Saturday, the shooter was a law abiding citizen in your ranks and a responsible gun owner.

BTW- Ayn Rand was a pseudo intellectual. If after all these years libertarianism has never made it mainstream, its because nobody wants it. Grow up!

[ckairnes68]

@detoth67 Ayn Rand is a "pseudo intellectual" and nobody wants Libertarianism?Check the numbers on that. Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged is one the top selling books of all time and who doesn't want less government and to be able to live their life in peace and not be harassed for unconstitutional statutes. In the interview of the guy that did have a gun, he stated he would have used his sidearm if he needed to. Because he assessed the situation and realized it was under control he put his gun away.

[kellerj0]

@LiberaLib It is YOU that will get more innocents killed.. it is your trolling around and make false associations between those who incite violence and those who don't that will cultivate more hate and misunderstanding. If you are going to blame this lot, some of the most peaceful and non-violent people in America, then you have made a gross and dangerous assertion.

[LiberaLib]

@kellerj0 sorry, but if you cons keep talking about "second amendment remedies" and putting crosshairs on politicians, you're going to keep putting kids in the dirt. there's just no two ways around it.

[kellerj0]

@LiberaLib and if you keep lumping everyone who holds a different perspective than you do together than you'll have more blood on your hands than I. These men are committed to peace in ways I haven't seen anywhere else in this country. They LOVE the principles of liberty and are truly against violence of all incantations. These men simply want each man to have the freedom to act on their own volition provided it doesn't interfere with another life or liberty. There IS NO violence here.

[ckairnes68]

@kellerj0 There is no sense in talking to this fool. It's obvious he would rather be a slave to the state than be responsible for himself. They don't actually listen to what is being said by people in the liberty movement, they think the Constitution and the Bible are ancient and obsolete, they think we live in a democracy. Because NBC hates Glenn Beck, they hate him too, they never research anything for themselves and when they lose an argument they become irate and result to insults. Pitiful.

[kellerj0]

@ckairnes68 I would never listen to most of the decrees of Glen Beck or the Bible. I'd further argue that it is irrational support of both of these which portray the liberty movement as foolish as the rest . But this is exactly what I love about the liberty movement because I know that under the rule of constitutional law neither you or he could have any say over how I live my life. And I trust you wouldn't presume to try. Thanks for the support! God Bless!

[ckairnes68]

@kellerj0 Don't get me wrong. I can't take Beck for his word, I know he knows more than puts out and goes out of the way to disprove things that may still be proven correct. I hope not but I do respect other people's right to worship and live their life they way they choose. I am personally not a Bible thumper but being a commercial fisherman, I have seen things that would make anyone a believer in God. Keep up the good fight, search for the truth and peace will follow.

[kellerj0]

@ckairnes68 Awesome. I live in Cape Hatteras and many down here say the same, I got to go out and enjoy the porpoises and birds feeding at sunset today, definitely makes you grateful for the perfect order of nature, that's something I can tell on my own is worth praise and aspiration. Be the change! Namaste!

[ckairnes68]

@LiberaLib Well, it turns out that the lunatic LIBERAL that shot all these people actually worked on Gifford's campaigns and was upset that she didn't vote for Nancy Pelosi to keep her leadership position. That means you and your hateful rhetoric attacking the Tea Party, conservatives, Beck(who I really don't care for either but for different reasons), and us Libertarians was pretty much unfounded. You need to wake up and understand that you are being lied to on a daily basis by the MSM.

[LiberaLib]

@ckairnes68 it's too late, con. we've seen the memos instructing teabaggers to use the word "liberal" in association with the sarah palin hitlist shooter, regardless of the evidence. he was an ayn rand reader who believed in going back to the gold standard, was anti-government, and targeted a congresswoman who ALREADY had been a tea party target for months, her office being vandalized and picketed (cased?) by them. if he was a liberal, he'd have shot a con republican, there's plenty in AZ.

[homertalk]

The Government will use this to crack down and infringe on our rights even more. In a descent society this man would be taken out and cut up into little pieces.

[slewofdamascus]

In that health care bill is the money for a goon squad, a well-armed goon squad to enforce their new regulations. Aside from that, this person was nutZ with a capital Z, truly mentally ill, which imo blows all that talk about political motives out the window.

[annboylyn]

Hinkley was left? Now that is a surprise being he was a very close family friend to the Bushes. Want to elaborate ?

[pete5668]

@annboylyn Bush was more of a lefty than you might think. The Patriot Act is a good example, and failure to close the border.

[annboylyn]

@pete5668 You are so right about Bush

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

Sorry, but this is a bit insensitive. Yes, I oppose what state reps do and the institution of congress, but this is not the right time to bring that shit up.

[RidleyReport]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "not the right time" is usually the *most* important time to question government actions.

[bastardchildofmary]

@RidleyReport I believe in Martin luther kings ''letter from a birmingham jail'' he said he was cautioned by other preachers ''this was not the right time'' for the peaceful civil rights protests also.Maybe we should all review his answers to this ''at this time''

[BadSwineDOTcom]

@juliaisafilmbuff123

That's the logic Bill O'Reiley uses in regards to any discussion of the war or roll backs of civil liberties "while troops are on the ground" rhetoric.

The attacks on the right to self defense are already underway, and they already have assigned him as a whole to any and all anti-establishment political movements.