How is this "unconstitutional"? Are you just using that because it sounds good, or can you back it up?
Auto insurance is mandatory so that you can take responsibility for it. So is the requirement that you buy healthcare... it forces people to take responsibility so that public services are not overwhelmed and so that we, as taxpayers, don't have to shoulder the healthcare cost of those who refuse to buy it.
No you don't. If you have an accident, say falling in the tub, and knock yourself unconscious, you will wake up in the hospital with a substantial medical bill.
People who "chose" not to have health insurance, in this instance, will in all likelihood be unable to pay their bills. The hospitals then have to pass those extra costs onto those of us who paid for insurance.
You can't "choose" to not have healthcare, but you CAN choose whether to pay for it. "Obamacare" closes that loophole.
@ImTheSecretSquare WRONG, I can as of now, choose to decide if I need it. If I am a 24 yr old who is healthy, I can opt not to have it. I can assure you, there are other loopholes that I will use, but I guess you see freedom to choose as a "loophole"
You Obama types don't seem to have a problem with a REAL "passing on costs" issue like passing on the costs to future generations for this massive disaster of a plan.
@Iridium242 lol... I love how you don't even try to respond to the point, but instead just insult me. Yeah, you're going to be able to refuse health care while unconscious, that makes total sense.
Again. If you knock yourself unconscious in an accident, you'll wake up in a hospital with a bill. Your "freedom to choose" not to get insurance is simply the "freedom to choose" to force other people to pay for your health care. Sorry bud - no free handouts for you. If you can pay, you have to pay.
@ImTheSecretSquare I already responded to you. I am not paying. I will go out of my way via loopholes to avoid it. If forced, someone else will bear the brunt of it. I will calculate what it will cost me and raise my prices. I will not pay the costs, YOU will if you happen to shop with my business.
It was you who missed the point, people should have the choice and Der Fuhrer there has taken away that choice. Again, I wont pay the costs, you and others will with higher prices and less jobs.
@Iridium242 lol, oh how cute, you're pretending you own a business now. How much money are you going to get in tax credits for health insurance next year? Oh wait, let me guess, you've never seen that part of the bill because you own a business about as much as Joe the Plumber owned one.
Freeloaders like you are pathetic un-American worms feeding at the tit of society, and thank God we finally got a President and Congress willing to stand up to you leeches.
@ImTheSecretSquare haha too funny.. a little bit of prodding and the REAL side of the Dems come out. Its all about control isn't it to you little twerps. No real power in life so you have to lash out and try to control others.
Believe what you want. My wife and I run the biz without employees.. and thanks to Obama will NOT hire anyone. I will NOT pay for others healthcare. Time to LOCK DOWN expenses
Tell Obama and Pelosi to stand up to the REAL Leaches, Welfare queens and Illegals.. lol
@Iridium242 lol, is your "control" thing even supposed to be related to anything?
Businesses with under 50 employees don't have to buy health insurance for their employees. The fact that you don't know that either means you're so stupid you run your business based on Fox News, or you don't have a business and work in a casino kitchen.
And when you buy your insurance, as an SBO, you'll get a 35% tax credit. Be sure to write me a thank-you letter for my tax dollars paying for your welfare.
@ImTheSecretSquare Too funny.. it always comes back to Fox news with you libs doesn't it? Casino Kitchens? lol hardly, but I am sure it makes you feel so much more smug to put people down lol.. like what you say matters..
Go troll someone else while being Obama, and Axelrod's errand boy on here.. I can assure you that no matter what garbage you spew, Lucky me, I will be paying for welfare queens because I make JUST enough to not get a damn thing in tax credits back from Big Brother.
lol, I love how you simply continue with your insults. You, of course, do not acknowledge that you would not have to pay your employees, nor do you acknowledge that you will get a tax credit for 35% of your health insurance. All you have are insults.
Can I get at least one honest answer - did it ever even occur to you to maybe check what the bill actually says? Ever? I simply cannot fathom why a person would talk about something they patently know nothing about.
@ImTheSecretSquare A tax credit? What a joke.. lot of good it will do me when ObaMAOCare forces my monthly expenses even higher with a mandate. I am paying ENOUGH already in quarterly taxes and biz expenses, I will NOT change my lifestyle or budget to make it "more fair" by paying into a system I don't need so others can use and abuse it. I am healthy, and I am not paying so some 99 year old can tack on another few years or the unhealthy can get FREE medical care thanks to me paying in.
@Iridium242 You most certainly do need health care, unless you somehow believe you are going to live the rest of your life without getting sick.
Again, you are welcome to scream all you want about how it's your right to freeload off society. It isn't.
While we're on the subject, those quarterly tax payments you're making are ALREADY going to 99-year-olds' medical bills, but hey, absolutely NOTHING else you've said belied the slightest knowledge of how any of this works, so why start now?
Its not yours or the gov'ts biz to tell me what I need to do with my body. If I want to pay CASH for services to a doctor, its not your job to tell me I have to buy insurance.
But what can I expect, after all I am arguing with a hard core leftist who things the moon landing was never happened...haha
@Iridium242 Except that you cannot pay CASH - major medical bills can be in the seven-figure range over a period of years. Your "freedom to choose" is simply stealing money from other people. It's like saying "It's not 'murder' it's freedom to kill!"
And I love your comment about the Moon landing. You read "Moon hoax" and assume that you know exactly what's in the videos, when you are in fact 100% wrong. Much like your assumptions about what health care reform would mean to your business.
@ScienceReasonBelief What? 5 months later and figure it matters? I decide if I need insurance or not. NOT the govt. That is my line in the sand. No govt tells me what to do with my health. END of story.
I wont pay for welfare pigs to get free health-care because I am healthy either.
so when you're sick and don't have health care, or the means to pay for it, shall we refuse to treat you and just dump you off somewhere so you can die?
But not NEARLY as bad as Mitch McConnell and John Beohner, not to mention the obtuse Sarah Palin, the delusional Glenn Beck and the pontificating Bill O'Reilly! Plus with all the in-fighting, the Republics have no idea which way they're going...
@ScienceReasonBelief funny you had to toss in Bill and Palin!!LOL! not even in any office. Just cuz they are rich and right on on the issues you should not be bitter. Jealousy is a terrible thing!LOL!
@Iridium242 By the way, on the subject of "welfare queens", since you don't appear to know ANYTHING about government or politics, you of course wouldn't know this, but the term "welfare queen" is pretty outdated - Clinton, as he promised during his campaign, set a time limit on welfare, pretty much ending the idea of a person drawing welfare forever.
And illegals pay property and sales taxes, yet get almost nothing in return, certainly nothing from the feds. Far from leeches.
Listen , this is America. In America we have to work to provide for our families. We have to earn our own way by the sweat of our brow. There is nothing given to you , no handouts. Ok, wait a minute. I remember my grandparents saying this to me but what has happened to America. We have gone from "the home of the brave" to "where is my handouts". If you stop and think about where we have come from and where we are heading, it almost makes you want to cry.
Nazi Pelosi!!! hell yeah thats her new name in my book now. What the hell are we gonna do about having to go to jail for not having Obamacare??!! I mean where as american people do we draw the line? I didnt vote for this! neither did anyone i know. Whats the answer to this? Are we rolling over? Are we really gonna have a lifetime bill attached to our souls on earth, called Obamacare? I mean i dont wanna go to jail, so i guess i gotta pay. i would love to know where im going to get the money??!!
Obama is a puppet to the NEW WORLD ORDER. Obama is controlled by WORLD BANKERS. People, please research the NEW WORLD ORDER... Youtube: The Obama Deception, Fall of the Republic, Zeitgeist, Terror Storm part 1, and End Game by Alex Jones.. Research...
Yeah, Bush was better - not perfect, but one heck of a site better than these self-centered, ridiculously deaf fascist twerps. Anyone intelligent enough to looks down the road to see what's coming & likes it, doesn't belong in America. Take your socialist crap back to some country that will appreciate it, where you and it belongs.
Bush was light years better. Bush believed in the Constitution, Free Market and Capitalism. His heart and soul was devoted to try and help this country even if he wasn't as effective as he would have liked.
Obama is a Marxist changing this country into Socialism. He is amassing massive power in the executive branch to forge the way to a dictatorship. Mao, the man who killed 70 million people, is his hero.
Also, google "George Soros New World Order" and click on rawstory link.
Honestly, I think his heart and mind was for Capitalism, Business, Free Trade, Profit, and the things that our founding fathers based this nation off of, i.e. Freedom.
Obama is something completely different. I'm not saying this because I have Conservative leanings. Everything he's doing is going to destroy America via bankrupting it. He surrounds himself with Marxists, Maoists, Communists, etc. It's quite scary.
oh obama is sending us all to hell. Its sad to see so many ppl have fallen for his lies. Thank Jesus I have a brain to see obama for the snake he truly is
Uhhhh yeah. Even with the downturn the economy took in his last months in office, the economy was still much better than it has been under shama-lambda-ding-dong.
The US is dying from a horrible cancer from within. It's names are Pelosi, Frank, Obama, Dodd, Clinton......These cancers need to be removed. from office.
Yeah, lets arrest those who cannot or do not want to carry health care for different reasons, but let harden criminals up in NY case in point, rewritten NY constitution at that, out on community release work program. This administration is taking things way too far and I fear the outcome from it.
@AWorldExposure
How is this "unconstitutional"? Are you just using that because it sounds good, or can you back it up?
Auto insurance is mandatory so that you can take responsibility for it. So is the requirement that you buy healthcare... it forces people to take responsibility so that public services are not overwhelmed and so that we, as taxpayers, don't have to shoulder the healthcare cost of those who refuse to buy it.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
We also have the right to CHOOSE if we have heathcare.
Iridium242 1 year ago 2
No you don't. If you have an accident, say falling in the tub, and knock yourself unconscious, you will wake up in the hospital with a substantial medical bill.
People who "chose" not to have health insurance, in this instance, will in all likelihood be unable to pay their bills. The hospitals then have to pass those extra costs onto those of us who paid for insurance.
You can't "choose" to not have healthcare, but you CAN choose whether to pay for it. "Obamacare" closes that loophole.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@ImTheSecretSquare WRONG, I can as of now, choose to decide if I need it. If I am a 24 yr old who is healthy, I can opt not to have it. I can assure you, there are other loopholes that I will use, but I guess you see freedom to choose as a "loophole"
You Obama types don't seem to have a problem with a REAL "passing on costs" issue like passing on the costs to future generations for this massive disaster of a plan.
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242 lol... I love how you don't even try to respond to the point, but instead just insult me. Yeah, you're going to be able to refuse health care while unconscious, that makes total sense.
Again. If you knock yourself unconscious in an accident, you'll wake up in a hospital with a bill. Your "freedom to choose" not to get insurance is simply the "freedom to choose" to force other people to pay for your health care. Sorry bud - no free handouts for you. If you can pay, you have to pay.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@ImTheSecretSquare I already responded to you. I am not paying. I will go out of my way via loopholes to avoid it. If forced, someone else will bear the brunt of it. I will calculate what it will cost me and raise my prices. I will not pay the costs, YOU will if you happen to shop with my business.
It was you who missed the point, people should have the choice and Der Fuhrer there has taken away that choice. Again, I wont pay the costs, you and others will with higher prices and less jobs.
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242 lol, oh how cute, you're pretending you own a business now. How much money are you going to get in tax credits for health insurance next year? Oh wait, let me guess, you've never seen that part of the bill because you own a business about as much as Joe the Plumber owned one.
Freeloaders like you are pathetic un-American worms feeding at the tit of society, and thank God we finally got a President and Congress willing to stand up to you leeches.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@ImTheSecretSquare haha too funny.. a little bit of prodding and the REAL side of the Dems come out. Its all about control isn't it to you little twerps. No real power in life so you have to lash out and try to control others.
Believe what you want. My wife and I run the biz without employees.. and thanks to Obama will NOT hire anyone. I will NOT pay for others healthcare. Time to LOCK DOWN expenses
Tell Obama and Pelosi to stand up to the REAL Leaches, Welfare queens and Illegals.. lol
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242 lol, is your "control" thing even supposed to be related to anything?
Businesses with under 50 employees don't have to buy health insurance for their employees. The fact that you don't know that either means you're so stupid you run your business based on Fox News, or you don't have a business and work in a casino kitchen.
And when you buy your insurance, as an SBO, you'll get a 35% tax credit. Be sure to write me a thank-you letter for my tax dollars paying for your welfare.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@ImTheSecretSquare Too funny.. it always comes back to Fox news with you libs doesn't it? Casino Kitchens? lol hardly, but I am sure it makes you feel so much more smug to put people down lol.. like what you say matters..
Go troll someone else while being Obama, and Axelrod's errand boy on here.. I can assure you that no matter what garbage you spew, Lucky me, I will be paying for welfare queens because I make JUST enough to not get a damn thing in tax credits back from Big Brother.
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242
lol, I love how you simply continue with your insults. You, of course, do not acknowledge that you would not have to pay your employees, nor do you acknowledge that you will get a tax credit for 35% of your health insurance. All you have are insults.
Can I get at least one honest answer - did it ever even occur to you to maybe check what the bill actually says? Ever? I simply cannot fathom why a person would talk about something they patently know nothing about.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@ImTheSecretSquare A tax credit? What a joke.. lot of good it will do me when ObaMAOCare forces my monthly expenses even higher with a mandate. I am paying ENOUGH already in quarterly taxes and biz expenses, I will NOT change my lifestyle or budget to make it "more fair" by paying into a system I don't need so others can use and abuse it. I am healthy, and I am not paying so some 99 year old can tack on another few years or the unhealthy can get FREE medical care thanks to me paying in.
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242 You most certainly do need health care, unless you somehow believe you are going to live the rest of your life without getting sick.
Again, you are welcome to scream all you want about how it's your right to freeload off society. It isn't.
While we're on the subject, those quarterly tax payments you're making are ALREADY going to 99-year-olds' medical bills, but hey, absolutely NOTHING else you've said belied the slightest knowledge of how any of this works, so why start now?
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@ImTheSecretSquare Wow you just don't get it do you?
Its not FREELOADING its FREEDOM to choose
Its not yours or the gov'ts biz to tell me what I need to do with my body. If I want to pay CASH for services to a doctor, its not your job to tell me I have to buy insurance.
But what can I expect, after all I am arguing with a hard core leftist who things the moon landing was never happened...haha
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242 Except that you cannot pay CASH - major medical bills can be in the seven-figure range over a period of years. Your "freedom to choose" is simply stealing money from other people. It's like saying "It's not 'murder' it's freedom to kill!"
And I love your comment about the Moon landing. You read "Moon hoax" and assume that you know exactly what's in the videos, when you are in fact 100% wrong. Much like your assumptions about what health care reform would mean to your business.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
@Iridium242
Uh, actually the vast majority of people who think the moon landing didn't happen are right-wingers.
And SecretSquare is right, Your "freedom to choose" is simply stealing money from other people.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief What? 5 months later and figure it matters? I decide if I need insurance or not. NOT the govt. That is my line in the sand. No govt tells me what to do with my health. END of story.
I wont pay for welfare pigs to get free health-care because I am healthy either.
Iridium242 1 year ago
@Iridium242
so when you're sick and don't have health care, or the means to pay for it, shall we refuse to treat you and just dump you off somewhere so you can die?
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief pelosi and obama are big piles of shit.
Trashfished 1 year ago
@Trashfished
But not NEARLY as bad as Mitch McConnell and John Beohner, not to mention the obtuse Sarah Palin, the delusional Glenn Beck and the pontificating Bill O'Reilly! Plus with all the in-fighting, the Republics have no idea which way they're going...
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief funny you had to toss in Bill and Palin!!LOL! not even in any office. Just cuz they are rich and right on on the issues you should not be bitter. Jealousy is a terrible thing!LOL!
Trashfished 1 year ago
@Trashfished
Jealous? Hardly. Try again.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief LOL!! Your funny
Trashfished 1 year ago
@Iridium242 By the way, on the subject of "welfare queens", since you don't appear to know ANYTHING about government or politics, you of course wouldn't know this, but the term "welfare queen" is pretty outdated - Clinton, as he promised during his campaign, set a time limit on welfare, pretty much ending the idea of a person drawing welfare forever.
And illegals pay property and sales taxes, yet get almost nothing in return, certainly nothing from the feds. Far from leeches.
ImTheSecretSquare 1 year ago
Listen , this is America. In America we have to work to provide for our families. We have to earn our own way by the sweat of our brow. There is nothing given to you , no handouts. Ok, wait a minute. I remember my grandparents saying this to me but what has happened to America. We have gone from "the home of the brave" to "where is my handouts". If you stop and think about where we have come from and where we are heading, it almost makes you want to cry.
adamhawk71 2 years ago
Send her to the oven.
johnnybravo234 2 years ago
Nazi Pelosi scares me, she 's evil!
PrayerisLoveinaction 2 years ago 4
Drink decaf, psycho.
p00lman 2 years ago
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Long live the great leaders Kim Jong Il and Nancy Pelosi and the people who worship them. Amen.
mayberry0331 2 years ago
It's Fair To Send People like Nancy Pelosi To Jail For Not Having a Brain.
blt40 2 years ago 6
@blt40 What a waste of organs. When you're brain dead, we call Coda to consider organ donation. Send her to Coda.
NotaBeetleFan 1 year ago
tool.
eklectric 2 years ago
AIPAC Girl
MendingMedia 2 years ago
I agree. Nancy Pelosi just...scares me.
Obviously, this is about more government control. The "burden" is still on the tax payers one way or the other.
WimMagwit 2 years ago 4
Yeh, I agree Nazi Pelosi!!! Awesome vid, thanks!
iluvbrody123 2 years ago 4
I NEED A JOB
kingwilly56 2 years ago
Nazi Pelosi!!! hell yeah thats her new name in my book now. What the hell are we gonna do about having to go to jail for not having Obamacare??!! I mean where as american people do we draw the line? I didnt vote for this! neither did anyone i know. Whats the answer to this? Are we rolling over? Are we really gonna have a lifetime bill attached to our souls on earth, called Obamacare? I mean i dont wanna go to jail, so i guess i gotta pay. i would love to know where im going to get the money??!!
mrbenp77 2 years ago 4
Nazi Pelosi is Right!!!! Or left
theprolifeguy 2 years ago 4
I believe treason is a capital offense.
hydin1 2 years ago 3
Its fair that traitors to our nation and constitution should be held to recon.
hydin1 2 years ago 4
The Traitors to our Nation and Constitution are Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and George Soros.
Not in that order.
six1971 2 years ago 3
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Obama is a puppet to the NEW WORLD ORDER. Obama is controlled by WORLD BANKERS. People, please research the NEW WORLD ORDER... Youtube: The Obama Deception, Fall of the Republic, Zeitgeist, Terror Storm part 1, and End Game by Alex Jones.. Research...
everett26 2 years ago
Where are all you fuckers that voted for Obama? Bet you feel like a bunch of dumbasses now.
shshshsht 2 years ago 7
Yeah, Bush was better - not perfect, but one heck of a site better than these self-centered, ridiculously deaf fascist twerps. Anyone intelligent enough to looks down the road to see what's coming & likes it, doesn't belong in America. Take your socialist crap back to some country that will appreciate it, where you and it belongs.
ranter55 2 years ago 2
sad cometary but true.
hydin1 2 years ago
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ASS SHUT UP
u think bush was better?
kleidi10 2 years ago
Anyone who believes that this fascist
new government is a better pick than the last is just as psychotic as the liberal left.
I can't honestly say Bush was a perfect pres,in fact far from it.but he didn't threaten and throw insults at America.
ie;"Right wing extremists","Astro Turf".
And then there's the belief that they can use force to achieve their agenda by ramming what America doesn't want,down our throats.
They're dead wrong.They're children who
throw tantrums in defiance.
FuckObamasMama 2 years ago 3
Bush was an absolute genius compared to this dunce in office now.
topcat42 2 years ago 6
Bush was light years better. Bush believed in the Constitution, Free Market and Capitalism. His heart and soul was devoted to try and help this country even if he wasn't as effective as he would have liked.
Obama is a Marxist changing this country into Socialism. He is amassing massive power in the executive branch to forge the way to a dictatorship. Mao, the man who killed 70 million people, is his hero.
Also, google "George Soros New World Order" and click on rawstory link.
six1971 2 years ago 4
Bush was never a good guy on our sides.He and Obama are in no way different
remnant077 2 years ago 3
Honestly, I think his heart and mind was for Capitalism, Business, Free Trade, Profit, and the things that our founding fathers based this nation off of, i.e. Freedom.
Obama is something completely different. I'm not saying this because I have Conservative leanings. Everything he's doing is going to destroy America via bankrupting it. He surrounds himself with Marxists, Maoists, Communists, etc. It's quite scary.
six1971 2 years ago
oh obama is sending us all to hell. Its sad to see so many ppl have fallen for his lies. Thank Jesus I have a brain to see obama for the snake he truly is
remnant077 2 years ago 2
Uhhhh yeah. Even with the downturn the economy took in his last months in office, the economy was still much better than it has been under shama-lambda-ding-dong.
redneckfromtexas 2 years ago
The US is dying from a horrible cancer from within. It's names are Pelosi, Frank, Obama, Dodd, Clinton......These cancers need to be removed. from office.
Great Posts. Keep them coming.!!
3shacks1house 2 years ago 6
Nazi Pelosi is a fascist thug.
maganz 2 years ago 10
@maganz
define fascism and tell us how it applies to Ms. Pelosi...
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
It's theoretical : )
FuckObamasMama 2 years ago 2
I think a good man with a good spotter
can take care of that bitch.
FuckObamasMama 2 years ago 4
with state layoffs abound, how do we pay for all the Hospital prisons full of sick poor?
NibiruMagick2012 2 years ago 2
I hate Pelosi. I fucking hate her!!
JOHNNYH8STHENWO 2 years ago 6
Yeah, lets arrest those who cannot or do not want to carry health care for different reasons, but let harden criminals up in NY case in point, rewritten NY constitution at that, out on community release work program. This administration is taking things way too far and I fear the outcome from it.
God Bless America now more than ever!
Thanks,
Mel
rubyredlipstick71 2 years ago 12
Yep They want the ones that come here the wrong way to be taken care of really well while US hard working tax payers pay for it.
donttelluseenme 2 years ago 6
Pelosie wants to jail the poor? what a suprise eh?
Fockersnextdoor 2 years ago 8
Healthcare for Illegal Aliens.
quaffer22 2 years ago 5