Celestion V30 vs G12h (Valveking amp)

[mrchrispychicken]

Hey it´s the Dawid Bowie´s "China Girl" Rythmen Guitar...

[ersemola]

G12h30 compared to v30, sound more like gt12-75. i want to make a mix on my 4x12 of gt12-75 and vg30. vg30 sound more "real" for me

[stratodan27]

Cool demo. Much more midrange in the V30, and more of a dropped mid sound with the G12H30. The G12H30 sounds "wider" if that makes sense. More beef and punch though with the V30s. The G12H's would probably be a good fit for a hard rock rhthym gtr player, while the V30 seems like more of a lead player's tone. No wonder Slash uses them.

Thanks for the demo. That helps!

[skinvinny]

Check out the heavy hitters...Bogner, Engl, and Mesa are the standards for heavymusic, and there's a reason they fill their cabinets with V30s. They do use greenbacks, T75s, and V60s in some cabs, but their main speakers which do what most people who use their amps want...ball crushing heavy...use V30s. If it's heavy you want, heavy you shall get with V30s. You probably are not going to figure anything out that Mesa, Bogner, and Engl don't already know.

[denka1337]

G12H-30 all the way!!

[19army56]

Want a really nice mix! Try the 2 G12-H 30's and 2 G12-70's in a 4X12 cab. Makes your toes curl! I love V30's by themself.

[flama644]

212 amp = 2 speakers.... did you put inside a V30 and a G12? (at the same time, like if u look inside the amp there is a V30 in one side and a G12 in the other)

sorry im from dominican republic english no really good

[jonizefox]

@flama644 yes, 2different speaker in one cab...one G12H behind my left leg and one V30 behind the right :-)

[flama644]

when you used the V30 and the G12, were they both, in the amp sounding at the same time? cuz i rather do that to get a fuller tone rathen than buying a pair of V30s or a pair of G12s

[jonizefox]

@flama644 sorry I don't understand your question.

[lukesteele1]

I own 1 V30 and love it! About to buy my 2nd to put in my EV box.awesome speaker!

[TattooedCarrot]

Both sound good. V30 a bit more aggressive and modern voiced. The G12H30 is more classic sounding and bigger top and bottom, but not real thick in the middle. The mix is the best, seems to cover the whole tonal spectrum with the V30 filling out the mids to the G12H30's scoop but bigger top and bottom. My only concern in mixing them, is EQ settings will be harder to find a balance with two very different speakers like that. If I had to pick only one, it would be the G12H30 though.

[jonizefox]

@TattooedCarrot All right. The other matter with mixing is that the V30 is really louder, and needs to pushed to give its best (very difficult at home).

I switched this V30 with a Greenback Heritage now, and to say, It is the best.

[GuitarRocks23455]

When these speakers are mixed its the best of both worlds!

[Rouse1994]

Hard to tell, V30 is a 60w speaker so there's not much speaker distortion, the G12H30 is a 30w speaker so there a bit of speaker distortion. So naturally, the G12H30 the speaker is going to be less smooth and bit more fuzzy, which it is. Really hard to tell the differences now...

[Zhorellski]

To my headphones G12H30 sounded warmer while as the V30 's got more presence cuts right through! Got go wrong with either one..

[Super9069]

that les paul looks sweet. what brand is it?

[jonizefox]

@Super9069 Home made guitar....Thanks !

[GuitarmanIeuan]

Could I plug the G12H30 straight in to the valveking? Or would they not go together? Sorry I am a bit noob ish

[jonizefox]

@GuitarmanIeuan Check impedance of speaker before. Take care, G12H is only at 30W, VK is a 50W amp.

[SADOCLAUSE]

good work. i appreciate the no bullshit approach. the sounds speak for themselves.

[DustinG28]

Thanks for demo bro. I like the V30 and G12H30 together, I think they mix perfectly together. V30 gives the more aggressive top end while the G12H30 balances the midrange. I think I'm going to mix those two together in my Fender super sonic 4X12.

[jwillems7]

Thanks for the demo, mate! To my taste, the v30 is the winner.

By the way, I have the exact same amp and I'm thinking of switching the speaker to the V30. Is it still as useable for 'bedroom practice' as it was with the old speaker? I mean, my parents aren't really tolerant when it comes to awesome noise :)

Thanks for the info!

[jonizefox]

@jwillems7 Thanks. V30 is a bit louder than the stock speaker, which is at 60W too though, but your parents wil not notice the difference, lol ! To be honest, 50W valve amp is too loud at home, whatever the speaker you'd use :-).

[mike31jmb]

I just got the new Egnater Tweaker half stack with the G12H and it's great. I love both of these speakers just depends on what wattage and situation I'm in before I would chose a favorite. 4X12 cab... can't go wrong with V30's!

[17blazin]

I think the G12H alone sound best, love the deep yet defined sound they produce, I have a 212 Avatar with them and I play it through a Vox AC30 ,,Suhhweeeeeet!

[davec629]

I have a Peavey 5150 combo loaded with V30's on top of a Marshall vintage/modern 4-12 loaded with G12C Greenbacks. Good combo and I no longer have that pesky wife problem as I have blown her and he underbits out the front door.

[omarfahmy1]

@davec629

Sir, may you come speak at my college graduation? Because what you said is honestly one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life! My hat's off to you and your brilliant one liners!!!

[comunistarock]

i need some speaker to make my vk sounds louder or brigher in the live.

sorry for my bad english.

[comunistarock]

if i put a v30 into the valveking, will i have more volume? I ear that it's a 50 watt but it don't sound like 50... does it?

[jonizefox]

V30 is loud, but it is a 60W speaker. The stock speaker is at least 50W (dont know exactly, neither its sensitivity).. To me, in this case it is not that louder.

[PrsFenderJackson1980]

V30 sound seem to have more bite. While G12H seem to have alittle more bottom end, punch would probably be a better work describe G12H. Thank you for the post. Again choosing speakers is dependant on your style, genre you play most, amp tubes, and guitar pickups. I tend to lean to hard rock with my Les Paul. So I would choose speakers with mid range and high end sparkle. Or combo it and Celestion G12T-75s with Celestion V30.

[wurstgulaschpfanne]

i like the mix most! thx

[Erithlon]

Is it hard to install a new speaker?

And how is the v30 compared to the stock speaker for metal?

[jonizefox]

easy, 4 screws, nothing to sold

For metal V30 will be better (V equalized)and more precise. A little harsh at low volume though.

[9reasy5am]

they sound the same to me.

You were rushing manic depression a bit

[Diisafatslag]

have you realised that the 12h30 speaker is too low wattage to go in both the valveking 212 and 112?

[jonizefox]

yes of course, I only play at home, 50W is way too loud, so I never push the volume.

[GuernB2]

did u notice a big sound diference between the v30 and the vk stock speaker cuz im considering buying a new speaker for my vk

[jonizefox]

Yes, there's big difference. Unless you only want to play loud metal, I would recommend G12h (30W) or Eminence Wizard 75W for that combo.

[141R918]

Thank you for your big job for this parallel test .

Very instructive and nice playing too.

[kindyroot]

V30 wins!

nice job!

[comunistarock]

i really don't know what speaker i prefere...

What's your favourite?

[jonizefox]

G12h with valveking, G12H+V30 with a more creamy amp

[sjctuber]

good call on not pushing the v30 hard enough to make it work, jonize. it's a big ole' 60 watt speaker and g12 is only 20? I believe. surprised how good that g12 sounded compared w the v30. I ALWAYS like v30's but this time, the g12 definitely taks the prize. what amp you usin and how loud in the recording? Thanks for the helpful vid!!

[jonizefox]

thanks, amp is a PV Valveking 50W, vol knob perhaps on 2, gain 50%, and I use a TS as a boost. G12H is only the 30W chinese model (70th anniversary).

[SonicStrings]

The V30 sounds pretty harsh - the G12h30 way more balanced!

[Sick1982]

I like the G12H for cleans but the V30 for distortion. I don't like the combination though. It sounds like the G12H has a lot more presence but scoops some high frequencies and also has less low-end response.

[lexist7]

2:54 lol

epic, man. great job on the comparison!

[jonizefox]

thanks ! But there's absolutly no video special effect !

[lexist7]

haha, the picture just looked funny.

thanks again for the review buddy. it let me know that i loooove the g12h's tone.

[kreepmaster]

i have a valveking vk100 amp head! i want to play heavy metal stuff on it! what kind of amp i need? speakers etc.....

[aehhhhhhhhhh]

hey what do you thing about the v30/greenback combination for strat?

[jonizefox]

I never heard GB myself, I cannot comment. I think the better is to have 2 cabs, and you play upon your mood !

[Sick1982]

Don't mix v30's and greenbacks in the same amp/cab, the greenbacks are less sensitive and thus less loud.

[X1xHighLifex1X]

... And there's your difference simplified =)

[jonizefox]

You forget to mention the particular grit of V30, so powerfull but sometimes harsh to my ear. V30 has a modern voice, G12H is more vintage and smoother sounding, especially with the strat, it does the thing for hendrix / srv stuffs.

[darkragnarok21]

but the Vintage 30 can get some vintage tones right? Isn't it pretty versatile?

[jonizefox]

all can be played with any speaker....

but I think at home I cannot push V30 enough to take advantage from its quality. It depends of amp too.

[X1xHighLifex1X]

V30 FTW!!

V30 = Clarity People (Since It can handle a peak of up to 100DB [Decibels] Used in most high gain amps. Popular in mixing with other various speakers for more bottom end.. The

G12H has more bottom end , But loss in definition and clarity for nice harmonic response .

To me V30 = Clarity and good tone definition

And GH12 = Pillow over my speakers, Feels like I had a grenade land next to my ear and

the muddy empty tone is what i'm left hearing.

[SlayerPagey]

Jonizefox, i loveed the demo. It really influenced me further to go out and buy the V30, which i now have in my VK112 :D

But, i am really intrigued to know how you got the tone at 2:50 with the V30? I simply love it man.

Thanks in advance!

[jonizefox]

nothing particular, gainfrom 12 to 15h max, don't use the VK boost, but rather a Tube scremer or a boost pedal. But here you ear the V30 temper

[FroggStudios]

V30 sounds much much better to my ears, both also sounds good, but I must tell I really did not like how the g12h30 sounds alone, the V30 crushes it badly.

[wats745]

definitely g12H

[krettere]

I actually like them both separately since they give you very different (except on the cleans here) and useful sounds but don't like them together where they just sound congested and characterless.

[YouSpamTard]

What year is the G12H? What cone? I cant tell the difference between the two. Thing is, you got to make the speakers wobble. This is what so great about the old G12H speakers. You max then out with power, making them wobble. In general, they just crunch and do not produce "noise". It all has to do with the way you process your guitar signal. If you signal is nothing but noise, which yours is, then noise you will get, thus defeating the whole beauty of the old G12H speakers. :)

[jonizefox]

Maybe I don't understand what you mean, but if it's only noise and if you don't hear the difference, you sure don't care about the year and the cone.

[YouSpamTard]

See? There is a such thing that comes about when distorting electric guitars. It is called "noise". It will make you go deaf in the sound frequency range around 4K hertz. The beauty of the old Marshall equipment / old Celestions, is one could make tons of distortion yet, not have "noise:" Take Hendricks for example. Tons of crunch distortion, yet, not a single bit of it hurts your ears. You can make it all loud as can be, yet none of it will hurt or injure you hearing. Just kick ass tone. Crunch

[jonizefox]

well, you're a sound engineer or expert in sound.... and I'm just an little home player, sorry.... Enjoy your old spearkers, but please write HendriX correclty if you're speaking of Jimi (not of Barbara's crunch, uh ) ;-)

[YouSpamTard]

Hendricks, I spell terribly but even I know that looks wrong. lol, Anyway, you have to be careful. Noise will deafen you. You dont even have to have it very loud if there is lots of noise."Fuzz" is what you want to stay away from. Think "growl". Also, many utube videos have noise. The digital information process often screw up the sound and makes noise, Ever hear that typical squeal/squeaking sort of sound on some of the videos? Many people have hearing loss and dont even know it. Good luck :)

[mikibillo]

g12h is the winner!