"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
@Cfaves You don't need to be sober to see that 10 trillion dollar added to the deficit is a bad thing. This video is not a lesson in politics, unless you're six and need learn how to read big numbers.
@ohedd And you'd need to be drunk to think that getting underpriviledge people the help they need by taking a small amount of money from the rich is a bad thing also.
Things aren't free, and as much as you'd like to think America is the best country on earth, we're very behind in relation to the world, and because of the debt of the past, there is no money to spend in the present (Must be borrowed). Do you suggest we wait while other countries advance while we try to balance our checkbooks?
@Cfaves It's not about being rich or poor. It's about your costly corporatism, and that's where America is behind the rest of the world. When costs go up unnecessarily, the solution is never to cover those costs (especially not through loans and inflated money) - it's to reduce them. I'm a Swedish citizen and I have experience of heavy government intervention, like gas prices at $7,3 a gallon. My dad pays 45% tax as he earns more than $75,000 a year.
@Cfaves There are all sorts of social securities for sick people, unemployed, immigrants, you name it, and it's all paid for through tax. Due to value added tax on everything from services to products, housing is scarce and expensive, minimum wage is $2,400 so unemployment is very high due to the high hiring costs. Our labour market is incredibly static as it's illegal for employers to fire people.
@Cfaves The only things we do better than the americans is that the costs of our federal institutions aren't as high. It's practically impossible to sue a doctor for maltreatment so there is no insurance and lawyer costs. We don't have your bureaucracy and corporatism either, which helps. You don't want to limit your freedom like we did, you just need to get rid of your god damn government intervention and the bureaucracy and you'll be more prosperous than any other country! Vote Dr Paul
@adiostraitorobama this is a counterproductive statement, because the same statement could be made about you, and there's no way to back up either claim. talk about something substantive, dont be a part of the problem.
doing nothing will cost us something too, its extremely deceptive to say that the alternative is to spend nothing. were going to spend this money on healthcare either way. the difference is just how the money moves around and how the system works. and let me remind you that the current system is exploding in cost so we need to make changes to how it works. also, medicare and medicaid is becoming more expensive because it covers more people now than it used to, not because its wasting money.
@aSheeple Doing nothing is not anyone's option. There are lots of ideas on the table that the left never sees because the (YOUR) media never shows you ant of them.
@JunkMan16 saying its my media is obviously stupid. and assuming im neolib is also stupid. comments like yours are the problem. being decisive and attacking my character and my understanding of the subject rather that actually making an argument. thats why we cant solve these problems. there are many possible actions that can be taken. I posted a valid critique. this money WILL be spent either directly paying insurance companies or through taxes. he shouldn't have implied otherwise.
So you are comparing the ten year cost of the health reform plan to the amount you paid soldiers last year....what the fuck is the point of that, and of then randomly filling up the table with pennies? This is completely lame, you appear to be fool and should take this video down and find some hobby that suits your abilities.
@LancePoint9 the problem is that that would show that the rich have the lowest tax levels in a century yet the economy is in the dumps. to it would hurt his argument that lower taxes on the rich would help the economy. that video isnt going to be made.
Conservative: “I really hate having my hard-earned money taken from me to pay taxes that go to the poor and unemployed. I could have used that money to buy a brand new car!” Liberal: “Typical greedy-Conservative! No Compassion! Sorry, you’re going to have to forego this year’s brand new car to do something good for once, like help the needy.” Unemployed Assembly Worker: “I wish people would just start buying new cars so I could get of these welfare checks and get my old job back!"
When Obama proclaim you have a right to health care, He means other things. 1st they want unlimited power to force others to provide U with health care. They also mean that U have no right to manage & provide for your health care, but that which is provided & approved by the government. The Fed Govt. decides what treatments U can & cannot have. They demand your doctor provide the Gov all personal details of your health care ! Whatever this is, its not protecting your rights.
Obama used it in the health care bill. It was used in the health care law. What is Obamas doing to R country. Dhimmitude, Never heard the word Till now. Google it, It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude Dhimmitude: the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. It is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.
In continuation... Insurers would return to placing lifetime limits on coverage. What I don't understand is year after year after year after decade some president and Congress say they would get SOMETHING done to help people get benefits and they fail. We finally have SOMETHING that may not be perfect BUT at least it's better (especially for their child) than what they had prior. Why aren't the congressman/women that voted against "true" health care reform ever held responsible.
@ArtistBet That's just liberal rhetoric. The reason US HC is expensive is primarily because of pool risk due to an insanely unhealthy population. I can't stand listening to people whine about HC costs over their own beer gut--it's absurd. That's exactly why the recent "reform" was intended solely to spread liability in a manner that BENEFITS the "evil" industry, simply to force the healthy and responsible to subsidize even more of the costs of a stupidly unhealthy country.
insurers would go back to denying coverage for children with pre-existing conditions. Parents of children with cancer, children born with a birth defect, children with asthma, special-needs kids, among others, would once again be unable to get coverage for their kids without the Affordable Care Act.
Children in foster care would no longer qualify for Medicaid beyond age 18.
Back to not getting compassionate end-of-life hospice care unless agreed to forgo looking for a cure for their illness.
What about Children who get lukemia or cancer or any kid of illness and their parents can't get or can't afford the health insurance? We live in a country that will turn thoes children away because we have a "only think about yourself" attitude. Remember the movie John Q? That was a true story, and in AMERICA. Oh how we fall short to our own people. I guess "screw the middle class" should be our motto. I pray for American's to wake up.
@NowThePeople It has nothing to do with how much you have donated/have not donated.
The point is, these kids need your money because they can't afford the treatments. Since you are obviously paying for an internet connection, and spend the time to post here, why don't you instead take that money and donate it to these kids!? Instead of wasting your time posting here, why don't you work and then donate that money to these kids!?
@sbank That is super crazy. Again you don't know me. How do you know I don't use the free internet at the Library? I volunteer tons of time and contribute to help for certain childhood cancer causes. Why don't you take your money you use for internet? The countless hours I put into volunteering for childhood cancer would make your head spin. I do way more than the average person. So please go yell at someone else who does nothing:)
The cost debate is a complete misnomer since the bill passes its primary costs on to consumers through mandates and restrictions before these ever cross the govt's balance sheets. The bill is inherently designed to keep its costs off govt books, which is why all of our premiums are skyrocketing. That's exactly why the mandate is in the bill, and its exactly why there is such concern about the constitutional survivability of the mandate.
@filorps And yet, it won't matter, because the GM bailouts don't go in every year at the same amount, or in an increasing amount: The healthcare plan, however, does.
@WithSomeSpareTime - I think that is the point. We already have issues with out two current healthcare programs that are in place. Adding another isn't really solving any problems it is just adding to it. Instead Obama and Co. are trying to sell this as a fix, for which it isn't. I don't know about you, but I sure don't feel like pissing away my kids' or my grandkids' future, which is precisely what this will do.
Be nice if there was a rule were you screw up that much like obama did you are instantly out of office. If some bum off the streets jump in and sat on his ass and did nothing we would of been 10 times better off!
A judge in Florida on Mon became the second judge to declare Obama's healthcare reform law unconstitutional, in the biggest legal challenge yet to fed authority to enact the law. This Obama needs to GO... I have never seen a more lazy president in the White House. But he sure likes the party's I can't wait till hes' gone.
Ya seriously like we need another healthcare plan let alone one that beaks the Constitution. Apparently this seems to not bother people as it got passed. Another way to hurt the middle class witch is the foundation for the government. Take an axe and chop 1 support out of a 4 main supports for a house what you think is going to happen. Let them keep messing with the middle class and they will learn the hard way
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
I agree that Obama's predicted spending amounts to a lot more than any president. But the Healthcare bill will cost 597 billion dollars, Bush's Medicare drug entitlement program costed 800 billion dollars.
@WithSomeSpareTime - I think that is the point. We already have issues with out two current healthcare programs that are in place. Adding another isn't really solving any problems it is just adding to it. Instead Obama and Co. are trying to sell this as a fix, for which it isn't. I don't know about you, but I sure don't feel like pissing away my kids' or my grandkids' future, which is precisely what this will do.
One only needs to look at what is happening around the globe to see how procedures are being limited or eliminated (Greece "amputations are cheaper - UK cutting (M) Millions of procedures to save est $29 Billion, Cuba Castro "(socialism) no longer works for Cuba - and on and on...)
US Govt is taking over for a reason - to CUT costs by cutting services. No funds for more RESOURCES - WHY NOT?
WAKE UP!
and btw - my HC ins is Non-profit. BC/BS. They just sent out premium REFUNDS. Look it up.
someone wrote: "he government wants to keep as many people alive as possible, so they pay taxes and contribute to our GDP."
Only ONE flaw w/this "logic" - OLD people are not working ergo, not contributing to GDP! They are TAKING though.
Seat belt/helmet laws enacted because people were being WOUNDED, requiring long term care. THE impetuous - Govt didn't want to take care of brain injured pts - it COST TOO MUCH.
To think Govt wants us to "live longer" is simply stupid. WE cost to much.
Great upload, now if I can just find a COST Visualization outlining the real costs of the ILLEGAL Afghan and Iraq occupations, we'll be set! Anyone know where I can find such charts-videos etc?
I don't believe you mean "what we pay soldiers" isn't it what we pay in defense spending? Would love you to do a penny example of Defense spending and show what the "soldiers" get and what big defense contractors get.
You know i dont think that medicare from your goverment is a bad thing. And i mean you guys got like 53 trilion dollars of debt sp that amount of money for healt. Pffh. its a small price to pay. And when people wont actyally have to dig trough their pockets for medicine money they can actyally go and buy something. (capitalism=good whit rules) (US capitalism=corpotarism whit neglect towards citizens & consumers.)
Medicare/aid - our GOVT denies more claims than private insurance! For all the talk about their efficiency, it's about denials @ over 4%!
Don't believe govt will take "better" care of you - just visit a post office or call Amtrak - 2 govt monopolies they have RUN INTO THE GROUND.
WAKE UP AMERICA - socialized care is falling apart around the world. Google PIIGS and listen to Fidel "the cubian system (socialism) no longer works for cuba" -
Hey Fidel - socialism doesn't work for ANY COUNTRY.
@choclabs3 Actually the reason medicare declines more is simply because a lack of funding, not simply because they are assholes and want you to die. The government wants to keep as many people alive as possible, so they pay taxes and contribute to our GDP. Why do you think the government comes up with seat belt and helmet laws? To keep you alive and paying taxes. Health insurance companies on the other hand, don't give a shit, they do what's necessary to make profit and that's it.
@SexSteakSoda Is that why the new health bill only perpetuates current pool risk levels on the backs of the healthy and responsible? Is that why the explosion in individual risk due to irresponsible health is the primary driver of rising American health costs? So, according to you, if we simply rename the same system, that risk will simply and quite magically evaporate? You're entire argument falls apart under one statistic: our 70% obesity/overweight rate.
@thereinliestherib If you're talking about the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act", it's no longer a "bill" it's officially a law and has been so since March 23, 2010. I can already tell that you don't know what you're talking about. Have you even read the PPAC act? Do you know what the reform does? What does obesity have to do with the reform? Can you actually engage in a debate or am I wasting my time?
@SexSteakSoda I can tell you haven't read it, in light of the fact that, for all your anti-industry angst, you support a policy that favors the industry at every opportunity. Thus the mandate, the actuarial statement that while the country's obesity rate is allowed to rise unabated, it's okay to force these costs upon the healthy and responsible. You support a policy that will siphon off untold thousands of dollars in your youth alone. That you don't realize it is truly disturbing.
@choclabs3 The government does not figure in profit and loss as a measure of efficiency and as a means of making more effecient, as does the private sector. This is not necessarily bad, however, it does make for considerable waste and ineffeciencies when cost overruns and budgetary constraints dip into services.
Why do you compare a single bailout or 1 year of soldier salaries with 10 years of health care?
It could have worked the way originally planed and would have been financed by increased income tax on moderate and high incomes - who then would not need to pay the more expensive private health care and would have had money left while at the same time providing healthcare for the poor who could not afford it now. A gain for everyone (Except current heath-care-provider owners and the drug-companies)
hey pennies what the fuck do u gain protecting ceos that make 23 million dollars a year? look it up ceos for americas top insurers make on average 10 milion a year. topDOCTORS dont even make that money. hmmmmm.... maybe if some dude wasnt spending all the premium money on lobbying and jet liners healthcare costs would go down!
@sactowncr1minal . Thats just stupid. these companies are in BUSINESS to make money, but there are not that many LARGE insurers, there are thousands of doctors. It's not the insurance companies making health care expensive moron.
@knarfster insurance isnt in the BUSINESS of GOVERNMENT right? so why does aetna spend 100$ million a yr on LOBBYING? they have their own agendas U FUCKING BRAINWASHED GOOBER! people dont sign up for an insurance policy to SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! how fucking retarded are u? they signup so they have medical coverage when their sick. and how do insurance companys get around that? DROPPED COVERAGE DENIED! u sir have no mind of your own, just keep listening to fox news and their lies
Our healthcare is paid through taxes without problem of choosing a private hospital, same rules applies. This system is more effective and above all a whole lot cheaper than the private US healthcare system. Whenever you guys in the US come to your right minds about this, take a look at the swedish healthcare system. You might learn something.
It wont be cheap unless something is done fix the unforeseen liabilities (that is the union pensions that this bill will create with the bureaucratic mess and lawyers). The bill would be more palatable, if they reformed the FDA, fixed Medical TORTs and lower the years for medical patients so other companies can enter the biomedical industry. Right now we have 4 drug companies when we used to have 20. Maybe that's why drugs cost so damn much. Its a monpoly due to lawyers.
@knarfster I cant speak for all of Europe, but i've never heard of such a thing as anyone from Sweden flyinf to the US for healthcare treatment. Yet im quite sure that american news sources probably would like to claim so. After all the US dont have any laws for news neutrality. However, our healthcare system is way cheaper and way more effective. Judging by your comment it's PRIDE that make make you take such a defensive stance on the criticism. Oh well, i wish you best of luck.
@MENJAGVETJUINTE "After all the US dont have any laws for news neutrality. " LOL, you have no idea how stupid that sounds to people who have fought for freedom of speech. Who is supposed to be the "judge of neutrality"? that is ALMOST the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
@knarfster I wouldent use words such as "dumb" and "stupid" when making a serious point and i suggest you dont either. I respect your opinion. However no one has fought for news corporations rights to manipulate information, but for the peoples rights. Yet defending a media lie in order to maintain the status quo doesnt sound very revolutionary to me. And i wonder if thats what they had in mind with the american revolution.Im quite sure it was "for the people".
Corporate writedowns -- in compliance with federal law -- resulted in angry phone calls Obama White House chief of staff R Emanuel to corporate CEO's. Congress threatened a congressional investigation who's obedience of law put them at odds with the actual results of ObamaCare. Notification by insurers that rates were being forced up by ObamaCare resulted in a threatening letter from Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to insurers.- at risk of not being allowed to participate
Why is it that so many Americans seem dead-set on acting against their own interests? Virtually all of Europe has UHC and it works fine here; so why wouldn't it work in the USA?
@TheZajac123 Did you even watch the video? Do you understand how much that will cost.? Do you even understand that we have a government that spends like there is no tomorrow and it's done by both the Dems and Reps. It's not just one or the other. They spend spend spend. Well gee just where the hell are we getting this money. Oh and all those countrys in Europe are yelling at us not to have UHC. Hell even China is telling us that we are spending to much.
@Epica124 $60 billion a year (less than 10% of the DOD budget) as estimated by the CBO; which also states that it would lead to a saving of $14 billion a year. You could easily get the money by restoring the top marginal & capital gains tax rate to what it was prior to Reagan (which unless you are super-wealthy would not affect you) or by cutting the defence budget. And which countries are these that are telling you not to get UHC? Most of Europe has UHC and it works great for us.
@TheZajac123 So the answer is to just rise taxes and kill busneiss. I don't know about you but I like my job. And again did you watch the video? Also it's the the governments money. Oh you don't even live in the USA. BUT OUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO WASTE LIKE YOU DO.
@Epica124 Note the word 'restore'. From 1950 to 1969 the top marginal rate was much higher than it is now and unemployment was on average 4.8%. Unemployment in the USA has risen dramatically between 1970 and the present while the top marginal rate has decreased dramatically in the same time period. Also, remember the CBO reported that UHC would SAVE money in the long term.
@Epica124 Also, do you honestly consider UHC a waste of money? The USA does not currently have UHC but spends more per capita and spends a greater % of it's GDP on healthcare costs than most countries with UHC. Sweden for example spends 8% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 82% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 81. The US spends 16% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 45% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 78. Demand better!
@Epica124 Also, do you honestly consider UHC a waste of money? The USA does not currently have UHC but spends more per capita and spends a greater % of it's GDP on healthcare costs than most countries with UHC. Sweden for example spends 8% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 82% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 81. The US spends 16% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 45% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 78. Demand better!
There is no surprise about Medicare and social security growth. The people have paid into the the Medicare funds for decades and all that is happening is that the funds will now be tapped into. This is perfectly normal and as it should be. The really important fact is that the bill extends considerably the sustainability of the Medicare fund AND it will cut the deficit over 20 years. It actually puts costs on a moresustainable path
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Your little vid on the 100,000,000 USD budget cut (with the US copper pennies), well my Canadian friend that is stranded in the USA has done some math on his cost to government in the US during the time he has lived there ... and it is 25,500,000 USD !
A 100m USD savings is nothing in the overall finance picture of the US.
The billions of dollars that are being taken from the people of this nation are being used to fund the end of life as we know it. Within the next ten years there will demons running everything and harvesting us. We are powerless to stop it. God will return to save the few who choose to stand by there faith instead of sell there soul to the devil.
Soldier pay for 10 years will be ~1.5 Trillion, military budget overall close to 7 trillion.
This also completely ignores the amount that is currently paid by individuals to insurance companies, and that Medicare is between five and ten times more efficient with each dollar bill than the insurance companies - so if the government paid for all healthcare it would be less than people spend now!
@override367 I know. There is so much to consider, it can be easy to twist the numbers to look one way or another. Having worked in the medical industry for 5 years, one constant is that insurance companies screw you early and often. The less they make decisions, the better.
@override367 I can't even begin to explain how inaccurate that paragraph is. Okay, so my grandmother has been paying into medicare her whole freakin life and they wouldn't give her anything because we didn't have the date we bought an inhaler. So we had to buy the extra stuff ourselves. We never had those problems with our decently priced private healthcare. Nobody half intelligent person believes the government is efficient with money.
@override367 They are more efficient because they can skim off the top for things like administrative costs which just makes care worse. Take a look at the widest use of socialized medecine in the US: the military. We have aweful care and it takes forever to get anything done.
Although the pennies demo is rully cool, categorically, aren't all these Malthusian type scenarios, but silly speculation—you know, "Chicken Little"?
Say—as some Chinese leaders are threatening—we were invaded, the lights go out—you know, "the real deal"—how much different would your allocations of pennies look?
Also, real estate prices might be lower, too, . . .
its common knowledge that expenditure on essential services is more expensive if you put it off. The US health system is desperate for reform.... BUT.... because the US has put it off for so long, obviously the cost of doing so is very large.... However, does that mean health reform should not happen?... I cited somewhere that an astronomical amount of social problems (AND THUS A LACK OF DOMESTIC PRODUCTIVITY) was due to illness and debt due to illness...
Which would be why the current health care bill takes revenue from cutting wasteful spending to Medicare... exactly what you suggested.... except without even adding a public option...
It's amazing, really, how you Republicants only oppose the president's policies because he supports them. When he cuts government program spending and instead uses it for tax credits (current health care reform law), you IGNORE it and go to a specific insignificant individual mandate that REPUBLICANS suggested!
Does anyone know what the health care plan is? there are people out there that people like us who have everything we need who need help there are patients who come to the hospitals in the worst condition possible but the doctors or surgeons refuse to do their work because the family cannot afford it. we will say its not our business but it will be if that patient was our dear one so there are other things that the government is wasting money on but for sure not the health care plan!!
I thought the point of a "visualization" was to make the relative sizes clearer to the viewer. Comparing the 10-year cost of the healthcare plan to two one time or one year costs actually skews my understanding of the relative sizes even worse.
Medical, Medicade, Schip.... highest deniabiltiy rates vs private insurance. How funny. So people think Obamacare will solve everything. Its a crock. If you make too much money, you get booted off medical even by a few dollars. How can we expect a Government who can not operate efficiently with the lives of 350billion people. That's a disaster waiting to happen. then again, people want things for free. Just so happens they want it free at other's expense.
@FreeAgain2 My thought is, rather, "The US Government is" but the people writ large; the people are "OUT OF CONTROL" — they can't push away from the dinner table, . . . for practical purposed, all current proposals for every major problem—health-care, environment, energy, domestic and foreign policy, education, carefully leave out individual responsibility and obesity, . . .
we pay more in solders than in healthcare over a ten year difference. he and fox news frogot to add both of them up. thats why its such a big difference. in ten years we would pay 1660 billion for solders and thats LESS than health care. fox news and him just switches its facts and hopes nobody knows.... and yes the new healthcare would be even less than the solders in one year. do the math
Even if I DIDN'T care about the soldiers we're still pouring money into a war we shouldn't have even started.
I'm just saying that there are far more efficient ways to be spending our money. Admittedly, healthcare reform is bloated, but as a nation, I think we still need it.
@zakkmiester Why? Why do we as a nation need it? If the goal is to be compassionate, why not just buy care for those in need? If it is to lower costs, why not allow real competition? The fact of the matter is that the Democrats LIED about the scope of the problem - not nearly as many people go without care as they claim. They also lied about the costs of their own program. Meanwhile, they demonized a whole industry that provides millions of jobs - ever wonder why jobs leave our country?
@zakkmiester : YOU ARE A LIAR with LIE propaganda figures: August 30, 2010, According to CBO numbers in its Budget & Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.
@zakkmiester Actually, according to your beloved CBO, the war in Iraq costs less than the current Stimulus plan. nd haven't you heard? The war is over, LOL.
@TwiztedAnimator I had to put a space between washingtopost and .com to be able to post it on here. Just remove the space, and it should work. If not, let me know, I'll PM it to you.
@zakkmiester Did it ever occur to you that the government shouldn't be doing EITHER of these things? Neither continuing a wasteful and destructive war (that does not make Americans any safer) nor continuing to push everyone into insurance-based health care that started with the HMO Act of 1973 and corporate tax incentives for employment-based health insurance since then.
By the way, the Iraq war is not over, 50,000 US troops & 14,000 contracted guns are still there, killing and being killed.
@VoteCliffHutchison i think you are wrong with respect to health care. manny americans have pre-existing condition and they cant do dick about it bechose they are poor. allso one of the most common reasons for bankcorrupsy is the redicolus health care bill. allso health care is something that really cant be made buisness. to the companys, unhealthy people are customers, so its in their intrest that you get sick. allso social medicare is used in europe and it has show to be effective.
@gooddarkjedi Yes, but the primary reason for the US's disproportionate HC costs is purely because we are such an unhealthy population. This has driven insurance pool risk through the roof, and thus costs as well. I am uninsured and healthy, but at least I understand that the only reason I can't afford insurance is because buying restrictions and mandatory coverage force me to overpay in order to subsidize the bypasses of obese, irresponsible baby boomers and smokers. Sad, but true.
@VoteCliffHutchison , and now from Obama , the man who said " I WILL bring the troops back home with in 6 months of taking office ," remember that promise ??? , is starting a new war in Lybia , and driving the price of gas around the country even higher , with a new war , 3 fronts ( Afghanistan , Iraq and now Lybia ) his big plan to fix skyrocketing gas prices is to sell off our Oil Reserves that we keep incase of WAR ! and other issues , BRILLIANT ! ........ NOT !!!!
@tigerman4 USA will go into Lybia no matter who is the president. That's what USA is to the world. Everyone calls USA for help when they need a gun. What USA needs to do to help itself from being destroy by war cost is actually taking something from those countries that it helps (oil, natural resources, raw materials...etc...). But of course, USA wouldn't do that since it would totally destroy its image of being a prince on a white horse saving little princess.USA can't afford to help everyone.
@tigerman4 Obama is driving the price of gas higher and starting wars? Now that's a bad thing all of the sudden? When GW did it nobody was allowed to question his judgement without being called a traitor
@SammyClammy Even while invading two countries Bush Presidency raised are debt by 3 trillion if Obama is reelected and his budget estimates are correct his 8 year presidency will cost 10 trillion dollars
Nice, stacking up the expenditures that take place in 1 year to one spread over 10. Your ability to misrepresent numbers is remarkable, you should look into working a Fox
@lenin1916 thank you. at least you are smart. look at my fact and do the math. people pay more in solders than in healthcare. atleast your not dumb like the rest are. people make sure you lok at all the numbers before you make clames and make sure it actrally makes sense. there comparing human years to dog years basicly. sure they look the same but there still not. i cant belive people by into this crap. if you punch in the numbers you would see the real whole story.
the CBO says the bill will reduce the nation's deficit by $138 billion in the same period through new fees, taxes and cost-saving measures? This is why Fox News needs to get their fucking heads out of their asses, this just enrages me.
@Robzz The reason WHY the CBO says this is because they simply take the numbers congress gives them - it does not matter if those numbers are accurate.
They simply told the CBO to assume the government is going to be able to collect 2 trillion in extra taxes, and the CBO has to use that figure.
The CBO is only as good as the assumptions congress gives them.
We should believe politicians cuz they are the most HONEST people in the world.
They never lie. And they never ever support corporations and insurance companies.
When a politician says there will be "Reform," MAGIC will happen and we will live in mansions, drive free Chevy Volts, doctors will let us in without waiting 1-2 hours, emergency rooms will treat us in 1 minute, there will be no fraud, no lines, no paperwork, our taxes will be gone, everyone will live to 150.
thats ten years. if you take the cost of solders in ONE year and you could see its less singifintlyy....its over 1660 billion 2 pay for solders in ten years which is higher than the federal medical programs. also its funny how people try and do one fact which the other facts grossly outways the fact your trying to debate. thats like saying my dog, in dog years vs the oldest person on earth which as you could tell isnt fair and frogets to subtract or add the diffrince.whatch again and you would c
@dabossgangsta2012 what part? what that one mistake on adding an extra y? if you are referring to adding Capital's than you need to also. if you are referring that i use , and shit like that its you tube and i did. why not you learn to look at the numbers and actually double check peoples work.
when fully implemented provides the framework for making the United States the first nation in the world to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isnt, allowed medical care in their country.
@AlexNOSAM dont follow this BS look at my other comment. we pay more in solders than in healthcare over a ten year difference. he and fox news frogot to add both of them up. thats why its such a big difference. in ten years we would pay 1660 billion for solders and thats LESS than health care. fox news and him just switches its facts and hopes nobody knows.... and yes the new healthcare would be even less than the solders in one year. do the math. pleas use your head and think.
"Fiscal" conservatives are so full of shit. When it comes to health care, or having some kind of social safety net they cry communism, but when we spend inordinate amounts of money on pointless wars it doesn't bother them at all. And by the way, if we had the public option, the CBO said it would actually SAVE money over time.
How much money would you spend to save the life of your child with leukemia? Get one thing straight, government will always be greedy and corrupt. They will always put money in their pocket first. But TODAY-RIGHT NOW if someone you love has a pre-existing condition they will die without help. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have proper medical coverage. Why would you want a child to needless die from greed? This is a start in the right direction.
good visualization. and how did you get all of those pennies. was it over time of collecting pennies. or did you go to a bank a request $500 worth of pennies. lol
gurumagoo you are a worthless piece of shit.....if you think u know soo much why dont you just run for president you seem to know whats best for this country.
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"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
Charlie12241 4 days ago
Yeah, I'm going to learn my politics from a guy who spends his afternoons stacking pennies with a beer in hand.
Cfaves 3 weeks ago
@Cfaves You don't need to be sober to see that 10 trillion dollar added to the deficit is a bad thing. This video is not a lesson in politics, unless you're six and need learn how to read big numbers.
ohedd 2 weeks ago 2
@ohedd And you'd need to be drunk to think that getting underpriviledge people the help they need by taking a small amount of money from the rich is a bad thing also.
Things aren't free, and as much as you'd like to think America is the best country on earth, we're very behind in relation to the world, and because of the debt of the past, there is no money to spend in the present (Must be borrowed). Do you suggest we wait while other countries advance while we try to balance our checkbooks?
Cfaves 2 weeks ago
@Cfaves It's not about being rich or poor. It's about your costly corporatism, and that's where America is behind the rest of the world. When costs go up unnecessarily, the solution is never to cover those costs (especially not through loans and inflated money) - it's to reduce them. I'm a Swedish citizen and I have experience of heavy government intervention, like gas prices at $7,3 a gallon. My dad pays 45% tax as he earns more than $75,000 a year.
ohedd 2 weeks ago
@Cfaves There are all sorts of social securities for sick people, unemployed, immigrants, you name it, and it's all paid for through tax. Due to value added tax on everything from services to products, housing is scarce and expensive, minimum wage is $2,400 so unemployment is very high due to the high hiring costs. Our labour market is incredibly static as it's illegal for employers to fire people.
ohedd 2 weeks ago
@Cfaves The only things we do better than the americans is that the costs of our federal institutions aren't as high. It's practically impossible to sue a doctor for maltreatment so there is no insurance and lawyer costs. We don't have your bureaucracy and corporatism either, which helps. You don't want to limit your freedom like we did, you just need to get rid of your god damn government intervention and the bureaucracy and you'll be more prosperous than any other country! Vote Dr Paul
ohedd 2 weeks ago
Nice Leinenkugel. Need to drink quite a few of those to even be able to imagine why people support Obamacare...
ps3specter 2 months ago
@adiostraitorobama this is a counterproductive statement, because the same statement could be made about you, and there's no way to back up either claim. talk about something substantive, dont be a part of the problem.
aSheeple 3 months ago
doing nothing will cost us something too, its extremely deceptive to say that the alternative is to spend nothing. were going to spend this money on healthcare either way. the difference is just how the money moves around and how the system works. and let me remind you that the current system is exploding in cost so we need to make changes to how it works. also, medicare and medicaid is becoming more expensive because it covers more people now than it used to, not because its wasting money.
aSheeple 3 months ago
@aSheeple Doing nothing is not anyone's option. There are lots of ideas on the table that the left never sees because the (YOUR) media never shows you ant of them.
JunkMan16 3 months ago
@JunkMan16 saying its my media is obviously stupid. and assuming im neolib is also stupid. comments like yours are the problem. being decisive and attacking my character and my understanding of the subject rather that actually making an argument. thats why we cant solve these problems. there are many possible actions that can be taken. I posted a valid critique. this money WILL be spent either directly paying insurance companies or through taxes. he shouldn't have implied otherwise.
aSheeple 3 months ago
So you are comparing the ten year cost of the health reform plan to the amount you paid soldiers last year....what the fuck is the point of that, and of then randomly filling up the table with pennies? This is completely lame, you appear to be fool and should take this video down and find some hobby that suits your abilities.
SammyClammy 5 months ago
Could you do one about the history of tax levels in America.
LancePoint9 6 months ago 4
@LancePoint9 the problem is that that would show that the rich have the lowest tax levels in a century yet the economy is in the dumps. to it would hurt his argument that lower taxes on the rich would help the economy. that video isnt going to be made.
aSheeple 3 months ago
@aSheeple That argument is being made each day by The Young Turks and the Occupy Wall Street movement.
LancePoint9 3 months ago
@LancePoint9 and the real news network
aSheeple 3 months ago
nice information. thanks for upload this video
TonikHealthInsurance 6 months ago
Ugh that's alot of pennies to lay out, get me a beer.
Renea1991 7 months ago
I believe the CBO said it would save money not cost money, could you please check your facts
12salem 8 months ago
@12salem lol....yes, offering handouts will save money
hitlerscow 7 months ago
@hitlerscow it will save money compared to what were doing now. the program will cost less than our current system.
aSheeple 3 months ago
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Conservative: “I really hate having my hard-earned money taken from me to pay taxes that go to the poor and unemployed. I could have used that money to buy a brand new car!” Liberal: “Typical greedy-Conservative! No Compassion! Sorry, you’re going to have to forego this year’s brand new car to do something good for once, like help the needy.” Unemployed Assembly Worker: “I wish people would just start buying new cars so I could get of these welfare checks and get my old job back!"
mdstalla 8 months ago
Talk about a penny for your thoughts...
MusicMan53100 9 months ago
thats alot of pennies
spatesel 9 months ago
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When Obama proclaim you have a right to health care, He means other things. 1st they want unlimited power to force others to provide U with health care. They also mean that U have no right to manage & provide for your health care, but that which is provided & approved by the government. The Fed Govt. decides what treatments U can & cannot have. They demand your doctor provide the Gov all personal details of your health care ! Whatever this is, its not protecting your rights.
onstageagain 9 months ago
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Obama used it in the health care bill. It was used in the health care law. What is Obamas doing to R country. Dhimmitude, Never heard the word Till now. Google it, It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude Dhimmitude: the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. It is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.
onstageagain 9 months ago
The truth is USA can spend whatever money they want, because its the most powerfull country in the world and can conquer all other nations.
Nickmorama 9 months ago
@Nickmorama Haha, play CoD some more.
TEHGROUND 9 months ago
@Nickmorama then why did vietnam win
MrBlackcrab4 3 months ago
In continuation... Insurers would return to placing lifetime limits on coverage. What I don't understand is year after year after year after decade some president and Congress say they would get SOMETHING done to help people get benefits and they fail. We finally have SOMETHING that may not be perfect BUT at least it's better (especially for their child) than what they had prior. Why aren't the congressman/women that voted against "true" health care reform ever held responsible.
ArtistBet 9 months ago
@ArtistBet That's just liberal rhetoric. The reason US HC is expensive is primarily because of pool risk due to an insanely unhealthy population. I can't stand listening to people whine about HC costs over their own beer gut--it's absurd. That's exactly why the recent "reform" was intended solely to spread liability in a manner that BENEFITS the "evil" industry, simply to force the healthy and responsible to subsidize even more of the costs of a stupidly unhealthy country.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
insurers would go back to denying coverage for children with pre-existing conditions. Parents of children with cancer, children born with a birth defect, children with asthma, special-needs kids, among others, would once again be unable to get coverage for their kids without the Affordable Care Act.
Children in foster care would no longer qualify for Medicaid beyond age 18.
Back to not getting compassionate end-of-life hospice care unless agreed to forgo looking for a cure for their illness.
ArtistBet 9 months ago
What about Children who get lukemia or cancer or any kid of illness and their parents can't get or can't afford the health insurance? We live in a country that will turn thoes children away because we have a "only think about yourself" attitude. Remember the movie John Q? That was a true story, and in AMERICA. Oh how we fall short to our own people. I guess "screw the middle class" should be our motto. I pray for American's to wake up.
NowThePeople 10 months ago
@NowThePeople Why haven't you donated the money you are using to buy internet every month to these cancer patients you're so worried about?
Oh? As long as it's everyone else's money?
sbank 10 months ago
@sbank How do you know what I donate or don"t donate every year? You don't know me.
NowThePeople 10 months ago
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sbank 10 months ago
@NowThePeople It has nothing to do with how much you have donated/have not donated.
The point is, these kids need your money because they can't afford the treatments. Since you are obviously paying for an internet connection, and spend the time to post here, why don't you instead take that money and donate it to these kids!? Instead of wasting your time posting here, why don't you work and then donate that money to these kids!?
Or is it only okay if it's other people's money?
sbank 10 months ago
@sbank That is super crazy. Again you don't know me. How do you know I don't use the free internet at the Library? I volunteer tons of time and contribute to help for certain childhood cancer causes. Why don't you take your money you use for internet? The countless hours I put into volunteering for childhood cancer would make your head spin. I do way more than the average person. So please go yell at someone else who does nothing:)
NowThePeople 10 months ago
The cost debate is a complete misnomer since the bill passes its primary costs on to consumers through mandates and restrictions before these ever cross the govt's balance sheets. The bill is inherently designed to keep its costs off govt books, which is why all of our premiums are skyrocketing. That's exactly why the mandate is in the bill, and its exactly why there is such concern about the constitutional survivability of the mandate.
thereinliestherib 10 months ago
Wait... so you are comparing a single payment (GM plan) and a yearly payment (soldiers) to a plan that's costs over ten years?
Shouldn't that big pile be split into ten little piles?
filorps 11 months ago
@filorps And yet, it won't matter, because the GM bailouts don't go in every year at the same amount, or in an increasing amount: The healthcare plan, however, does.
Denon333dash888 10 months ago
You sure have a lot of pennies.
wardogthemasterofwar 11 months ago
whiff posted (talking about govt) "...when cost overruns and budgetary constraints dip into services."
"dip into services" translates into DEATH for the poor. A horrible quality of life because procedures and surgeries are denied by medicaid.
If medicare is to protect the elderly & medicaid the poor from medical expenses/bankruptcy - then I give them an F for FAILURE.
They have been LOOTED and now Govt is RATIONING CARE - yes, we have "death panels" - they are your elected officials.
choclabs3 11 months ago
Wow. The last part is brutal. Well done.
ImphreniousZog 11 months ago
@WithSomeSpareTime - I think that is the point. We already have issues with out two current healthcare programs that are in place. Adding another isn't really solving any problems it is just adding to it. Instead Obama and Co. are trying to sell this as a fix, for which it isn't. I don't know about you, but I sure don't feel like pissing away my kids' or my grandkids' future, which is precisely what this will do.
hefnerak 11 months ago
why do u have so many pennies?
ucfbaj 11 months ago
Be nice if there was a rule were you screw up that much like obama did you are instantly out of office. If some bum off the streets jump in and sat on his ass and did nothing we would of been 10 times better off!
catpoOo56 1 year ago
A judge in Florida on Mon became the second judge to declare Obama's healthcare reform law unconstitutional, in the biggest legal challenge yet to fed authority to enact the law. This Obama needs to GO... I have never seen a more lazy president in the White House. But he sure likes the party's I can't wait till hes' gone.
onstageagain 1 year ago
Ya seriously like we need another healthcare plan let alone one that beaks the Constitution. Apparently this seems to not bother people as it got passed. Another way to hurt the middle class witch is the foundation for the government. Take an axe and chop 1 support out of a 4 main supports for a house what you think is going to happen. Let them keep messing with the middle class and they will learn the hard way
catpoOo56 1 year ago
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Allen West 2012
bootylicification 1 year ago
I love how the beer kept moving around, hahaha.
thehattedmusician 1 year ago
I agree that Obama's predicted spending amounts to a lot more than any president. But the Healthcare bill will cost 597 billion dollars, Bush's Medicare drug entitlement program costed 800 billion dollars.
WithSomeSpareTime 1 year ago
@WithSomeSpareTime - I think that is the point. We already have issues with out two current healthcare programs that are in place. Adding another isn't really solving any problems it is just adding to it. Instead Obama and Co. are trying to sell this as a fix, for which it isn't. I don't know about you, but I sure don't feel like pissing away my kids' or my grandkids' future, which is precisely what this will do.
hefnerak 11 months ago
lol this dude has way too much time on his hands and apparently doesnt know what a coinstar is -_-
mhoamloo 1 year ago
One only needs to look at what is happening around the globe to see how procedures are being limited or eliminated (Greece "amputations are cheaper - UK cutting (M) Millions of procedures to save est $29 Billion, Cuba Castro "(socialism) no longer works for Cuba - and on and on...)
US Govt is taking over for a reason - to CUT costs by cutting services. No funds for more RESOURCES - WHY NOT?
WAKE UP!
and btw - my HC ins is Non-profit. BC/BS. They just sent out premium REFUNDS. Look it up.
choclabs3 1 year ago
Also "the reason medicare declines more is simply because a lack of funding"
So this makes it OK for govt to let you DIE? TAKE your taes and LET YOU DIE?
Denial is THE main "reason" for HC reform - that is how BO & CONgress sold it to US.
Comon- get some facts! It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation when one side is clueless of the issues.
You just want a nanny state to "protect you" - GOVT will CUT OFF YOUR CARE as you admit - B/C of LACK OF FUNDING - so it's OK?!?
FOOLISH!
choclabs3 1 year ago
someone wrote: "he government wants to keep as many people alive as possible, so they pay taxes and contribute to our GDP."
Only ONE flaw w/this "logic" - OLD people are not working ergo, not contributing to GDP! They are TAKING though.
Seat belt/helmet laws enacted because people were being WOUNDED, requiring long term care. THE impetuous - Govt didn't want to take care of brain injured pts - it COST TOO MUCH.
To think Govt wants us to "live longer" is simply stupid. WE cost to much.
choclabs3 1 year ago
Great upload, now if I can just find a COST Visualization outlining the real costs of the ILLEGAL Afghan and Iraq occupations, we'll be set! Anyone know where I can find such charts-videos etc?
deeppurple28 1 year ago
I don't believe you mean "what we pay soldiers" isn't it what we pay in defense spending? Would love you to do a penny example of Defense spending and show what the "soldiers" get and what big defense contractors get.
atlantafilmmaker 1 year ago
You know i dont think that medicare from your goverment is a bad thing. And i mean you guys got like 53 trilion dollars of debt sp that amount of money for healt. Pffh. its a small price to pay. And when people wont actyally have to dig trough their pockets for medicine money they can actyally go and buy something. (capitalism=good whit rules) (US capitalism=corpotarism whit neglect towards citizens & consumers.)
justmymage 1 year ago
Medicare/aid - our GOVT denies more claims than private insurance! For all the talk about their efficiency, it's about denials @ over 4%!
Don't believe govt will take "better" care of you - just visit a post office or call Amtrak - 2 govt monopolies they have RUN INTO THE GROUND.
WAKE UP AMERICA - socialized care is falling apart around the world. Google PIIGS and listen to Fidel "the cubian system (socialism) no longer works for cuba" -
Hey Fidel - socialism doesn't work for ANY COUNTRY.
choclabs3 1 year ago
@choclabs3 Actually the reason medicare declines more is simply because a lack of funding, not simply because they are assholes and want you to die. The government wants to keep as many people alive as possible, so they pay taxes and contribute to our GDP. Why do you think the government comes up with seat belt and helmet laws? To keep you alive and paying taxes. Health insurance companies on the other hand, don't give a shit, they do what's necessary to make profit and that's it.
SexSteakSoda 1 year ago
@SexSteakSoda Is that why the new health bill only perpetuates current pool risk levels on the backs of the healthy and responsible? Is that why the explosion in individual risk due to irresponsible health is the primary driver of rising American health costs? So, according to you, if we simply rename the same system, that risk will simply and quite magically evaporate? You're entire argument falls apart under one statistic: our 70% obesity/overweight rate.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib If you're talking about the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act", it's no longer a "bill" it's officially a law and has been so since March 23, 2010. I can already tell that you don't know what you're talking about. Have you even read the PPAC act? Do you know what the reform does? What does obesity have to do with the reform? Can you actually engage in a debate or am I wasting my time?
SexSteakSoda 1 year ago
@SexSteakSoda I can tell you haven't read it, in light of the fact that, for all your anti-industry angst, you support a policy that favors the industry at every opportunity. Thus the mandate, the actuarial statement that while the country's obesity rate is allowed to rise unabated, it's okay to force these costs upon the healthy and responsible. You support a policy that will siphon off untold thousands of dollars in your youth alone. That you don't realize it is truly disturbing.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@choclabs3 The government does not figure in profit and loss as a measure of efficiency and as a means of making more effecient, as does the private sector. This is not necessarily bad, however, it does make for considerable waste and ineffeciencies when cost overruns and budgetary constraints dip into services.
whiff1962 11 months ago
Why do you compare a single bailout or 1 year of soldier salaries with 10 years of health care?
It could have worked the way originally planed and would have been financed by increased income tax on moderate and high incomes - who then would not need to pay the more expensive private health care and would have had money left while at the same time providing healthcare for the poor who could not afford it now. A gain for everyone (Except current heath-care-provider owners and the drug-companies)
Maxuras 1 year ago
This visual demonstration looks outrageous but I believe its a pretty fair assessment.
1coffeecup 1 year ago
man, president bush really screwed up the US economy ... his poisonous legacy is going to last decades
kingtercel 1 year ago
hey pennies what the fuck do u gain protecting ceos that make 23 million dollars a year? look it up ceos for americas top insurers make on average 10 milion a year. topDOCTORS dont even make that money. hmmmmm.... maybe if some dude wasnt spending all the premium money on lobbying and jet liners healthcare costs would go down!
sactowncr1minal 1 year ago
@sactowncr1minal . Thats just stupid. these companies are in BUSINESS to make money, but there are not that many LARGE insurers, there are thousands of doctors. It's not the insurance companies making health care expensive moron.
knarfster 1 year ago
@knarfster insurance isnt in the BUSINESS of GOVERNMENT right? so why does aetna spend 100$ million a yr on LOBBYING? they have their own agendas U FUCKING BRAINWASHED GOOBER! people dont sign up for an insurance policy to SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! how fucking retarded are u? they signup so they have medical coverage when their sick. and how do insurance companys get around that? DROPPED COVERAGE DENIED! u sir have no mind of your own, just keep listening to fox news and their lies
sactowncr1minal 1 year ago
Our healthcare is paid through taxes without problem of choosing a private hospital, same rules applies. This system is more effective and above all a whole lot cheaper than the private US healthcare system. Whenever you guys in the US come to your right minds about this, take a look at the swedish healthcare system. You might learn something.
MENJAGVETJUINTE 1 year ago
@MENJAGVETJUINTE
It wont be cheap unless something is done fix the unforeseen liabilities (that is the union pensions that this bill will create with the bureaucratic mess and lawyers). The bill would be more palatable, if they reformed the FDA, fixed Medical TORTs and lower the years for medical patients so other companies can enter the biomedical industry. Right now we have 4 drug companies when we used to have 20. Maybe that's why drugs cost so damn much. Its a monpoly due to lawyers.
avdquick 1 year ago
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Yeah, thats why many Europeans (that have money) fly to the US for treatment, your Socialist systems are sooooo great.
knarfster 1 year ago
@knarfster I cant speak for all of Europe, but i've never heard of such a thing as anyone from Sweden flyinf to the US for healthcare treatment. Yet im quite sure that american news sources probably would like to claim so. After all the US dont have any laws for news neutrality. However, our healthcare system is way cheaper and way more effective. Judging by your comment it's PRIDE that make make you take such a defensive stance on the criticism. Oh well, i wish you best of luck.
MENJAGVETJUINTE 1 year ago
@MENJAGVETJUINTE "After all the US dont have any laws for news neutrality. " LOL, you have no idea how stupid that sounds to people who have fought for freedom of speech. Who is supposed to be the "judge of neutrality"? that is ALMOST the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
knarfster 1 year ago
@knarfster I wouldent use words such as "dumb" and "stupid" when making a serious point and i suggest you dont either. I respect your opinion. However no one has fought for news corporations rights to manipulate information, but for the peoples rights. Yet defending a media lie in order to maintain the status quo doesnt sound very revolutionary to me. And i wonder if thats what they had in mind with the american revolution.Im quite sure it was "for the people".
MENJAGVETJUINTE 1 year ago
Corporate writedowns -- in compliance with federal law -- resulted in angry phone calls Obama White House chief of staff R Emanuel to corporate CEO's. Congress threatened a congressional investigation who's obedience of law put them at odds with the actual results of ObamaCare. Notification by insurers that rates were being forced up by ObamaCare resulted in a threatening letter from Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to insurers.- at risk of not being allowed to participate
choclabs3 1 year ago
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is that a Seiera Nevada beer? looks like the porter mmmmmmm
Loonykillaz 1 year ago
is that a Seiera Nevada beer? looks like the porter mmmmmmm
Loonykillaz 1 year ago
magic care costs less than a penny
MrMickyMouth 1 year ago
Why is it that so many Americans seem dead-set on acting against their own interests? Virtually all of Europe has UHC and it works fine here; so why wouldn't it work in the USA?
TheZajac123 1 year ago
@TheZajac123 Did you even watch the video? Do you understand how much that will cost.? Do you even understand that we have a government that spends like there is no tomorrow and it's done by both the Dems and Reps. It's not just one or the other. They spend spend spend. Well gee just where the hell are we getting this money. Oh and all those countrys in Europe are yelling at us not to have UHC. Hell even China is telling us that we are spending to much.
Epica124 1 year ago
@Epica124 $60 billion a year (less than 10% of the DOD budget) as estimated by the CBO; which also states that it would lead to a saving of $14 billion a year. You could easily get the money by restoring the top marginal & capital gains tax rate to what it was prior to Reagan (which unless you are super-wealthy would not affect you) or by cutting the defence budget. And which countries are these that are telling you not to get UHC? Most of Europe has UHC and it works great for us.
TheZajac123 1 year ago
@TheZajac123 So the answer is to just rise taxes and kill busneiss. I don't know about you but I like my job. And again did you watch the video? Also it's the the governments money. Oh you don't even live in the USA. BUT OUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO WASTE LIKE YOU DO.
Epica124 1 year ago
@Epica124 Note the word 'restore'. From 1950 to 1969 the top marginal rate was much higher than it is now and unemployment was on average 4.8%. Unemployment in the USA has risen dramatically between 1970 and the present while the top marginal rate has decreased dramatically in the same time period. Also, remember the CBO reported that UHC would SAVE money in the long term.
TheZajac123 1 year ago
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@Epica124 Also, do you honestly consider UHC a waste of money? The USA does not currently have UHC but spends more per capita and spends a greater % of it's GDP on healthcare costs than most countries with UHC. Sweden for example spends 8% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 82% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 81. The US spends 16% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 45% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 78. Demand better!
TheZajac123 1 year ago
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@Epica124 Also, do you honestly consider UHC a waste of money? The USA does not currently have UHC but spends more per capita and spends a greater % of it's GDP on healthcare costs than most countries with UHC. Sweden for example spends 8% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 82% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 81. The US spends 16% of it's GDP on healthcare which covers 45% of health costs and has an average life expectancy of 78. Demand better!
TheZajac123 1 year ago
lol the moral of the video is it will cost 10,000 billion dollars!
Micfri 1 year ago
@Micfri What up Micfri!
multipurpose101 1 year ago
@zakkmiester you're an idiot
nyjetsro71 1 year ago
There is no surprise about Medicare and social security growth. The people have paid into the the Medicare funds for decades and all that is happening is that the funds will now be tapped into. This is perfectly normal and as it should be. The really important fact is that the bill extends considerably the sustainability of the Medicare fund AND it will cut the deficit over 20 years. It actually puts costs on a moresustainable path
hauskalainen 1 year ago
Looking for something else that provides genuine knowledge in an unbiased, mature informed way into some aspects of this important debate? Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:”
davijeph 1 year ago
Until Americans have another option medical costs and insurance premiums will continue to rise.... Single payer would end all of this madness...
funkyflights 1 year ago
Your little vid on the 100,000,000 USD budget cut (with the US copper pennies), well my Canadian friend that is stranded in the USA has done some math on his cost to government in the US during the time he has lived there ... and it is 25,500,000 USD !
A 100m USD savings is nothing in the overall finance picture of the US.
eyreland 1 year ago
Your videos are great
BladeBoques 1 year ago
obama said he wouldnt ad any more money to the deficit.
so hes not using money that not being spent already.
all hes doing is taking money that is being spent already and using it wiser.
cubezt22 1 year ago
The billions of dollars that are being taken from the people of this nation are being used to fund the end of life as we know it. Within the next ten years there will demons running everything and harvesting us. We are powerless to stop it. God will return to save the few who choose to stand by there faith instead of sell there soul to the devil.
350ztech 1 year ago
Wow nice disingenuous display there.
Soldier pay for 10 years will be ~1.5 Trillion, military budget overall close to 7 trillion.
This also completely ignores the amount that is currently paid by individuals to insurance companies, and that Medicare is between five and ten times more efficient with each dollar bill than the insurance companies - so if the government paid for all healthcare it would be less than people spend now!
override367 1 year ago 2
@override367 I know. There is so much to consider, it can be easy to twist the numbers to look one way or another. Having worked in the medical industry for 5 years, one constant is that insurance companies screw you early and often. The less they make decisions, the better.
nuBlueFilms 1 year ago
@override367 I can't even begin to explain how inaccurate that paragraph is. Okay, so my grandmother has been paying into medicare her whole freakin life and they wouldn't give her anything because we didn't have the date we bought an inhaler. So we had to buy the extra stuff ourselves. We never had those problems with our decently priced private healthcare. Nobody half intelligent person believes the government is efficient with money.
FastlaneProductions1 1 year ago
@override367 They are more efficient because they can skim off the top for things like administrative costs which just makes care worse. Take a look at the widest use of socialized medecine in the US: the military. We have aweful care and it takes forever to get anything done.
fightinirish273 1 year ago
@override367 medicare is so efficient with their money! haha lets look into the billions of dollars of medicare fraud as well.
BJD43 1 year ago
You're still HowTheWorldWorks, and you're still a loser.
zomghawtness 1 year ago
Although the pennies demo is rully cool, categorically, aren't all these Malthusian type scenarios, but silly speculation—you know, "Chicken Little"?
Say—as some Chinese leaders are threatening—we were invaded, the lights go out—you know, "the real deal"—how much different would your allocations of pennies look?
Also, real estate prices might be lower, too, . . .
phillipgaley 1 year ago
its common knowledge that expenditure on essential services is more expensive if you put it off. The US health system is desperate for reform.... BUT.... because the US has put it off for so long, obviously the cost of doing so is very large.... However, does that mean health reform should not happen?... I cited somewhere that an astronomical amount of social problems (AND THUS A LACK OF DOMESTIC PRODUCTIVITY) was due to illness and debt due to illness...
dalolman 1 year ago
"However, does that mean health reform should not happen?" Yes thats exactly what it means, among other reasons.
cypress951 1 year ago
Aw, HELL no...
MetroidfanCNC 1 year ago
I love you, no homo.
would you be my friend?
shakaama 1 year ago
Which would be why the current health care bill takes revenue from cutting wasteful spending to Medicare... exactly what you suggested.... except without even adding a public option...
It's amazing, really, how you Republicants only oppose the president's policies because he supports them. When he cuts government program spending and instead uses it for tax credits (current health care reform law), you IGNORE it and go to a specific insignificant individual mandate that REPUBLICANS suggested!
nafaidni 1 year ago
Does anyone know what the health care plan is? there are people out there that people like us who have everything we need who need help there are patients who come to the hospitals in the worst condition possible but the doctors or surgeons refuse to do their work because the family cannot afford it. we will say its not our business but it will be if that patient was our dear one so there are other things that the government is wasting money on but for sure not the health care plan!!
jdindiagirl123 1 year ago
I thought the point of a "visualization" was to make the relative sizes clearer to the viewer. Comparing the 10-year cost of the healthcare plan to two one time or one year costs actually skews my understanding of the relative sizes even worse.
Solypsys 1 year ago
Was that a New Castle you were drinking there. Started to listen, saw the beer, and I went to a happy place in my head.
WhiskeyBlade 1 year ago
Medical, Medicade, Schip.... highest deniabiltiy rates vs private insurance. How funny. So people think Obamacare will solve everything. Its a crock. If you make too much money, you get booted off medical even by a few dollars. How can we expect a Government who can not operate efficiently with the lives of 350billion people. That's a disaster waiting to happen. then again, people want things for free. Just so happens they want it free at other's expense.
avdquick 1 year ago
The US Government is OUT OF CONTROL.
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
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phillipgaley 1 year ago
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we pay more in solders than in healthcare over a ten year difference. he and fox news frogot to add both of them up. thats why its such a big difference. in ten years we would pay 1660 billion for solders and thats LESS than health care. fox news and him just switches its facts and hopes nobody knows.... and yes the new healthcare would be even less than the solders in one year. do the math
TonPappa 1 year ago
On the other hand, the war in Iraq has cost us 3 trillion dollars as well as American lives, and will continue to do so.
zakkmiester 1 year ago 13
@zakkmiester Like you give a shit about the lives of American soldiers.
DarkNewEngland 1 year ago
@DarkNewEngland I care for the soldiers, not the war.
Even if I DIDN'T care about the soldiers we're still pouring money into a war we shouldn't have even started.
I'm just saying that there are far more efficient ways to be spending our money. Admittedly, healthcare reform is bloated, but as a nation, I think we still need it.
zakkmiester 1 year ago
@zakkmiester Why? Why do we as a nation need it? If the goal is to be compassionate, why not just buy care for those in need? If it is to lower costs, why not allow real competition? The fact of the matter is that the Democrats LIED about the scope of the problem - not nearly as many people go without care as they claim. They also lied about the costs of their own program. Meanwhile, they demonized a whole industry that provides millions of jobs - ever wonder why jobs leave our country?
ToddAldrich 1 year ago
@zakkmiester : YOU ARE A LIAR with LIE propaganda figures: August 30, 2010, According to CBO numbers in its Budget & Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.
pmango1000 1 year ago
@zakkmiester that's irrelevant in this discussion,,, tactic- deflection
even though i totally agree and bush should be tried for war crimes
shortywarn 1 year ago
@zakkmiester Two great reasons why we shouldn't even be there.
pkninja47 1 year ago
@zakkmiester Actually, according to your beloved CBO, the war in Iraq costs less than the current Stimulus plan. nd haven't you heard? The war is over, LOL.
knarfster 1 year ago
@zakkmiester All of Bush's wars COMBINED don't even equal 1.5 Trillion.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator Yes, you're right, it doesn't equal 1.5 Trillion, its much more than that.
washingtonpost. com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Please, study! It's not even close to that number. Much, much lower.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator Did you even bother to read the link?? Please research. Thanks.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 It's impossible to view something that isn't there.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator I had to put a space between washingtopost and .com to be able to post it on here. Just remove the space, and it should work. If not, let me know, I'll PM it to you.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@zakkmiester Did it ever occur to you that the government shouldn't be doing EITHER of these things? Neither continuing a wasteful and destructive war (that does not make Americans any safer) nor continuing to push everyone into insurance-based health care that started with the HMO Act of 1973 and corporate tax incentives for employment-based health insurance since then.
By the way, the Iraq war is not over, 50,000 US troops & 14,000 contracted guns are still there, killing and being killed.
VoteCliffHutchison 1 year ago 7
@VoteCliffHutchison i think you are wrong with respect to health care. manny americans have pre-existing condition and they cant do dick about it bechose they are poor. allso one of the most common reasons for bankcorrupsy is the redicolus health care bill. allso health care is something that really cant be made buisness. to the companys, unhealthy people are customers, so its in their intrest that you get sick. allso social medicare is used in europe and it has show to be effective.
gooddarkjedi 11 months ago
@gooddarkjedi Yes, but the primary reason for the US's disproportionate HC costs is purely because we are such an unhealthy population. This has driven insurance pool risk through the roof, and thus costs as well. I am uninsured and healthy, but at least I understand that the only reason I can't afford insurance is because buying restrictions and mandatory coverage force me to overpay in order to subsidize the bypasses of obese, irresponsible baby boomers and smokers. Sad, but true.
thereinliestherib 10 months ago
@VoteCliffHutchison , and now from Obama , the man who said " I WILL bring the troops back home with in 6 months of taking office ," remember that promise ??? , is starting a new war in Lybia , and driving the price of gas around the country even higher , with a new war , 3 fronts ( Afghanistan , Iraq and now Lybia ) his big plan to fix skyrocketing gas prices is to sell off our Oil Reserves that we keep incase of WAR ! and other issues , BRILLIANT ! ........ NOT !!!!
tigerman4 6 months ago
@tigerman4 USA will go into Lybia no matter who is the president. That's what USA is to the world. Everyone calls USA for help when they need a gun. What USA needs to do to help itself from being destroy by war cost is actually taking something from those countries that it helps (oil, natural resources, raw materials...etc...). But of course, USA wouldn't do that since it would totally destroy its image of being a prince on a white horse saving little princess.USA can't afford to help everyone.
NoobSoldier2006 6 months ago
@tigerman4 Obama is driving the price of gas higher and starting wars? Now that's a bad thing all of the sudden? When GW did it nobody was allowed to question his judgement without being called a traitor
SammyClammy 5 months ago
@SammyClammy Even while invading two countries Bush Presidency raised are debt by 3 trillion if Obama is reelected and his budget estimates are correct his 8 year presidency will cost 10 trillion dollars
suspicious35 4 months ago
@zakkmiester So you support spending trillions more on more useless things?
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@zakkmiester The cost of BOTH wars together has cost a little over 1.2 trillion since 2001. I'm not sure where you got 3 trillion from.
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago 21
@stoicsquirrel - He did that research in his ass, rather than even look here:
wikipedia org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War
$704 billion as of 2010. Maybe in the 2 trillion mark as of 2017.
3055DOG 1 year ago
@zakkmiester completely irrelevant to this video
ObamaFansAreIgnorant 1 year ago
Nice, stacking up the expenditures that take place in 1 year to one spread over 10. Your ability to misrepresent numbers is remarkable, you should look into working a Fox
lenin1916 1 year ago 2
@lenin1916 thank you. at least you are smart. look at my fact and do the math. people pay more in solders than in healthcare. atleast your not dumb like the rest are. people make sure you lok at all the numbers before you make clames and make sure it actrally makes sense. there comparing human years to dog years basicly. sure they look the same but there still not. i cant belive people by into this crap. if you punch in the numbers you would see the real whole story.
TonPappa 1 year ago
@lenin1916 sort of like using 10 years of taxes to pay for 6 years of so-called benefits???
ToddAldrich 1 year ago
the CBO says the bill will reduce the nation's deficit by $138 billion in the same period through new fees, taxes and cost-saving measures? This is why Fox News needs to get their fucking heads out of their asses, this just enrages me.
Robzz 1 year ago
@Robzz The reason WHY the CBO says this is because they simply take the numbers congress gives them - it does not matter if those numbers are accurate.
They simply told the CBO to assume the government is going to be able to collect 2 trillion in extra taxes, and the CBO has to use that figure.
The CBO is only as good as the assumptions congress gives them.
This justification the Dems used is simply a lie.
ToddAldrich 1 year ago
Blue box: 1-time cost
Red box: 1-year cost (So, $1.116 Trillion for 10 years)
Healthcare reform: $597 billion (for 10 years)
Sounds good to me.
bipoha 1 year ago 2
love your vids- 10000 pennies
benjamineby 1 year ago
We should believe politicians cuz they are the most HONEST people in the world.
They never lie. And they never ever support corporations and insurance companies.
When a politician says there will be "Reform," MAGIC will happen and we will live in mansions, drive free Chevy Volts, doctors will let us in without waiting 1-2 hours, emergency rooms will treat us in 1 minute, there will be no fraud, no lines, no paperwork, our taxes will be gone, everyone will live to 150.
YEAH RIGHT!
pccchurch 1 year ago
thats ten years. if you take the cost of solders in ONE year and you could see its less singifintlyy....its over 1660 billion 2 pay for solders in ten years which is higher than the federal medical programs. also its funny how people try and do one fact which the other facts grossly outways the fact your trying to debate. thats like saying my dog, in dog years vs the oldest person on earth which as you could tell isnt fair and frogets to subtract or add the diffrince.whatch again and you would c
TonPappa 1 year ago
@TonPappa learn
dabossgangsta2012 1 year ago
@TonPappa learn some grammar dumbass
dabossgangsta2012 1 year ago
@dabossgangsta2012 what part? what that one mistake on adding an extra y? if you are referring to adding Capital's than you need to also. if you are referring that i use , and shit like that its you tube and i did. why not you learn to look at the numbers and actually double check peoples work.
TonPappa 1 year ago
when fully implemented provides the framework for making the United States the first nation in the world to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isnt, allowed medical care in their country.
Myaka2001 1 year ago
Theas socialeesm is takin away are freedumb! durrr
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
yep stupid americans only can tell other people how to live , but never learn from success of others .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
Why we need
Sincerely,
Break Time, Next Window!
yesilike101 1 year ago
holy lord this will make america more bankrupt than it already is
AlexNOSAM 1 year ago
@AlexNOSAM dont follow this BS look at my other comment. we pay more in solders than in healthcare over a ten year difference. he and fox news frogot to add both of them up. thats why its such a big difference. in ten years we would pay 1660 billion for solders and thats LESS than health care. fox news and him just switches its facts and hopes nobody knows.... and yes the new healthcare would be even less than the solders in one year. do the math. pleas use your head and think.
TonPappa 1 year ago
"Fiscal" conservatives are so full of shit. When it comes to health care, or having some kind of social safety net they cry communism, but when we spend inordinate amounts of money on pointless wars it doesn't bother them at all. And by the way, if we had the public option, the CBO said it would actually SAVE money over time.
3erooney 1 year ago
hey want to know how much the iraq and afghanistan wars have costed tax payers since 2001?
$977,256,000,000
so much for spending money on people here.
sk8bow 1 year ago
"ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" -John F. Kennedy
dand2000 1 year ago
How much money would you spend to save the life of your child with leukemia? Get one thing straight, government will always be greedy and corrupt. They will always put money in their pocket first. But TODAY-RIGHT NOW if someone you love has a pre-existing condition they will die without help. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have proper medical coverage. Why would you want a child to needless die from greed? This is a start in the right direction.
billster426 1 year ago
good visualization. and how did you get all of those pennies. was it over time of collecting pennies. or did you go to a bank a request $500 worth of pennies. lol
edmund94232 1 year ago
Let's spend it all in wars Irak and Afganistan so far:
975, 412, 850,423 so far at 8:00PM CT and growing. Let's do Iran and N.Korea to finish this country for real.
RoncagliaG 1 year ago
gurumagoo you are a worthless piece of shit.....if you think u know soo much why dont you just run for president you seem to know whats best for this country.
stithis 1 year ago