Free will = ability to do good, to do evil, to love, to hate
heaven = perfect knowledge of good and evil and the consequences of both
therefore = In the presence of such goodness (God), and such knowledge you will not desire or crave destructive behaviors; thus you freely choose good.
@MochaBarbie001 Before you get me to properly reply, you must do a few things. 1.) Use proper grammar and spelling. 2.) Be prepared to change you views and understand the the most important thing is the truth, this will make you a better person in general.
@DMAN123223 1) i dont care this is not a college paper i can express my pov anyway i want 2.... yup i said 2 lol, 2 be prepared to be left out of heaven since your worried about a choice to be evil lol keep that logic and youll get your wish you can stay down here and be evil all you want the choice is yours god doesnt force anyone to believe in him, but its his world and hes gonna end it with all the evil choosing people.....
@MochaBarbie001 Yes, I do doubt you've been to collage. That's it if you aren't going to comply to my requests. I can't read your writing and there's no point unless you're willing to test you belief which should, if it's true, remain standing. To say that you will never change your view is to say "My belief does not have credibility".
@DMAN123223 lol you cant even spell college LOL funny well the paper in the mail says im on the deans list sooo hmmm i guess i am LOL if you cant read a simple paragraph thats sad lol so i think your the one who has not been to "collage" dear lol i cant talk to stupid people and your by far one of the dumbest person ive ever spoken to you want to have a choice to be evil even in heaven and you cant read a simple paragraph this convo is SO over God Bless JESUS LOVES YOU & DIED FOR YOU!
@DMAN123223 lol you cant even spell college LOL funny well the paper in the mail says im on the deans list sooo hmmm i guess i am LOL if you cant read a simple paragraph thats sad lol so i think your the one who has not been to "collage" dear lol i cant talk to stupid people and your by far one of the dumbest person ive ever spoken to you want to have a choice to be evil even in heaven and you cant read a simple paragraph this convo is SO over God Bless JESUS LOVES YOU & DIED FOR YOU!
@DMAN123223 lol you cant even spell college LOL funny well the paper in the mail says im on the deans list sooo hmmm i guess i am LOL if you cant read a simple paragraph thats sad lol so i think your the one who has not been to "collage" dear lol i cant talk to stupid people and your by far one of the dumbest person ive ever spoken to you want to have a choice to be evil even in heaven and you cant read a simple paragraph this convo is SO over God Bless JESUS LOVES YOU & DIED FOR YOU!
@MochaBarbie001 Your so dumb you cant comprehend the people in heaven dont want to be evil thats why they made it there lol Im gonna seriously pray for you have a good life on Gods BEAUITFULLY made world!!!
in my oppinion that was a weak argument love isnt simply sex drive, it is also to do what is best for your offspring, i have never heard of a parent being ok with leaving thier children to go do whatever they want, but i have on many occasions seen parents split up to protect the well being of the child. Likewise i have never seen a situation anywhere where there was a chice between a parent saving thier skin or protecting thier child. or ever heard a parent say "i wouldnt die for my child".
@notcooldude87 ~edit~ " Likewise i have never seen a situation anywhere where there was a choice* between a parent saving thier skin or protecting thier child" i forgot to add "and the parent decided it was best to save themselves, and let the kid die." i would also like to add a point, if you belive in freewill you think that every bit of space in the world, all the galaxies and whatnot abide by the laws of physics, but for some reason, the human brain has overcome the laws of the universe.
basically if the being knew everything there was to know, how everything in the universe was going to unfold, then he would know exactly how all people were going to act for all time. this implies no free will because all our choices have already been decided (although we still have the illusion of free will). if we take free will to really exist, then the being cannot possibly know what we are going to choose, because we have free will. so it isn't omniscient.
@Mattybloke ...so....because i know what your going to do means you dont have free will??? Because i know which number you would pick between one and a trillion means you dont have the option of picking any number you want???...hmmm
@Mattybloke Obviously the omniscient part is a lie, but the localization of YHWH's creation proved that, though. That doesn't mean the being itself is a lie.
Free will and the Bible: Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth Isaiah 63:17 Why, O LORD, do You cause us to stray from Your ways And harden our heart from fearing You? Proverbs 1:26 "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh" Says YHVH Free will?
Free will = ability to do good, to do evil, to love, to hate
heaven = perfect knowledge of good and evil and the consequences of both
therefore = In the presence of such goodness (God), and such knowledge you will not desire or crave destructive behaviors; thus you freely choose good.
Now go freely chose to do something good today.
dilesios 8 months ago
Free will = ability for evil
heaven = No ability for evil
therefore: heaven = no free will.
DMAN123223 8 months ago
@DMAN123223 so u want to be evil people in heaven dont want to be evil thats why theyre there?
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
@MochaBarbie001 Before you get me to properly reply, you must do a few things. 1.) Use proper grammar and spelling. 2.) Be prepared to change you views and understand the the most important thing is the truth, this will make you a better person in general.
DMAN123223 1 month ago
@DMAN123223 1) i dont care this is not a college paper i can express my pov anyway i want 2.... yup i said 2 lol, 2 be prepared to be left out of heaven since your worried about a choice to be evil lol keep that logic and youll get your wish you can stay down here and be evil all you want the choice is yours god doesnt force anyone to believe in him, but its his world and hes gonna end it with all the evil choosing people.....
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
@MochaBarbie001 Yes, I do doubt you've been to collage. That's it if you aren't going to comply to my requests. I can't read your writing and there's no point unless you're willing to test you belief which should, if it's true, remain standing. To say that you will never change your view is to say "My belief does not have credibility".
DMAN123223 1 month ago
@DMAN123223 lol you cant even spell college LOL funny well the paper in the mail says im on the deans list sooo hmmm i guess i am LOL if you cant read a simple paragraph thats sad lol so i think your the one who has not been to "collage" dear lol i cant talk to stupid people and your by far one of the dumbest person ive ever spoken to you want to have a choice to be evil even in heaven and you cant read a simple paragraph this convo is SO over God Bless JESUS LOVES YOU & DIED FOR YOU!
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
@DMAN123223 lol you cant even spell college LOL funny well the paper in the mail says im on the deans list sooo hmmm i guess i am LOL if you cant read a simple paragraph thats sad lol so i think your the one who has not been to "collage" dear lol i cant talk to stupid people and your by far one of the dumbest person ive ever spoken to you want to have a choice to be evil even in heaven and you cant read a simple paragraph this convo is SO over God Bless JESUS LOVES YOU & DIED FOR YOU!
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
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@DMAN123223 lol you cant even spell college LOL funny well the paper in the mail says im on the deans list sooo hmmm i guess i am LOL if you cant read a simple paragraph thats sad lol so i think your the one who has not been to "collage" dear lol i cant talk to stupid people and your by far one of the dumbest person ive ever spoken to you want to have a choice to be evil even in heaven and you cant read a simple paragraph this convo is SO over God Bless JESUS LOVES YOU & DIED FOR YOU!
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
@MochaBarbie001 Your so dumb you cant comprehend the people in heaven dont want to be evil thats why they made it there lol Im gonna seriously pray for you have a good life on Gods BEAUITFULLY made world!!!
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
@DMAN123223 dont worry thats why there wont be room for people like that in heaven they can stay here and be evil all they want
MochaBarbie001 1 month ago
in my oppinion that was a weak argument love isnt simply sex drive, it is also to do what is best for your offspring, i have never heard of a parent being ok with leaving thier children to go do whatever they want, but i have on many occasions seen parents split up to protect the well being of the child. Likewise i have never seen a situation anywhere where there was a chice between a parent saving thier skin or protecting thier child. or ever heard a parent say "i wouldnt die for my child".
notcooldude87 1 year ago
@notcooldude87 ~edit~ " Likewise i have never seen a situation anywhere where there was a choice* between a parent saving thier skin or protecting thier child" i forgot to add "and the parent decided it was best to save themselves, and let the kid die." i would also like to add a point, if you belive in freewill you think that every bit of space in the world, all the galaxies and whatnot abide by the laws of physics, but for some reason, the human brain has overcome the laws of the universe.
notcooldude87 1 year ago
I know BF Skinner says I'm dreaming, by golly gosh durn it, I sure doesn't feel like I is! Science is the devil!
cowlark2000 1 year ago
an omniscient being and true free will cannot exist together
Mattybloke 1 year ago
@Mattybloke ...why?
darpachief 1 year ago
@darpachief
basically if the being knew everything there was to know, how everything in the universe was going to unfold, then he would know exactly how all people were going to act for all time. this implies no free will because all our choices have already been decided (although we still have the illusion of free will). if we take free will to really exist, then the being cannot possibly know what we are going to choose, because we have free will. so it isn't omniscient.
Mattybloke 1 year ago
@Mattybloke ...so....because i know what your going to do means you dont have free will??? Because i know which number you would pick between one and a trillion means you dont have the option of picking any number you want???...hmmm
darpachief 1 year ago
@darpachief if you know what number im going to pick, and i do pick it, did i really have a choice to choose otherwise?
Mattybloke 1 year ago
@Mattybloke Obviously the omniscient part is a lie, but the localization of YHWH's creation proved that, though. That doesn't mean the being itself is a lie.
guidojacobs2002 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago