The Lindsay McCreith Story

[Konig1985]

whats the point of free if govt cannot provide it lol

[cordovamx]

My friend, your attitude towards the Canadian health care system fits the definition of close-mindedness.

[xBaker420x]

Pranays, you are completely mixed up regarding the facts of this video. He didn't "jump the line" in front of anyone. He LEFT the line and went elsewhere, where he could get his cancer treated immediately, instead of being forced to wait for months while the cancer grows. By doing that, he freed up one spot in the waitlist, and everyone else who was behind him moved up. I'm sure all of them are quite happy that he left the waitlist.

[pranays]

I did NOT say he jumped line I said thats what he WANTED to do NOT twist my word to please; and according to the actual wait time for that period he would have had to wait the most 27 days least 6 days it would have been quicker for him to stay check you fact. Red man61 pointed that out 1 year ago.

[ExZonie]

They make you wait hoping you'll die in the meantime. It saves lots of money. But hey, it's "free"!

[cordovamx]

lol, he was referring to a public health system.

[pranays]

People with more serious conditions are inline ahead of him and all he wants is to jump ahead of them because he has money, what a self serving attitude there are other people who were waiting for MRIs. If he really wants to fix the system dont go trying to jump the line push for more MRIs and more Surgery facilities just another case of people with money think they should get priority over other if he went to the US then he should pay out of pocket because thats the American way.

[arussianroulettekiss]

Hey fucktard

Brain cancer is deadly and serious

I hope you live in CAnada

otherwise

you should move there and enjoy your free shitty care lol

[cordovamx]

I agree with you one thing; your grammar is worse than a third graders. And since that is so bad I don't expect you to understand and interpret data presented that prove your argument wrong.

[cordovamx]

I responded in order to have a discussion on health care, you were carrying on in a very inappropriate manner and I called you out on it. I hardly started the name calling and trolling, if you read all the comments it is blatantly obvious who is doing the trolling. I started a debate, you started a name calling match and showed how well you can piece swear words together.

[61redmen]

It's interesting how the full story is not being told. He claims that he could not find an MRI anywhere in TO with a waittime less than 4 months,yet the Scarborough hospital had a waittime of 27 days during this period and that was for a priority 4. If he was as bad as he claims he would have in the very least been put in prior. 3 which means the waittime would have been less than 27 days. Even with a wait time of 27 days this would have been shorter then the time it took him for the MRI in Buf.

[redmen61]

Below are the waittimes that Lindsay had access during the period this video references.This is taken directly from the ONT Min.0f Health website: THE SCARBOROUGH HOSPITAL(TORONTO) MRI WAITTIMES DEC-JAN06 90% ofMRIs done within 27Days Average 13Dys Median 11Dys TRILLIUM HEALTH CENTRE(Greater Toronto Area) CANCER SURGERY(Neurological ie.brain)Feb-Mar06 90% surgery done wthin 27Days Average 21Dys Median 6Dys It's hard to have sympathy for a man who's his own worst enemy.KNOW THE FACTS.

[pranays]

Nice fact finding good work.

[cordovamx]

haha, when I was young I did all the same things you did and still do much of those things today. I was using the Pokemon as an example to point out how ludicrous and childish you are being. I could care less about your service in the armed forces, it apparently didn't do much for you. I don't serve in the US military because I chose not too, it has nothing to with "bravery", it just wasn't the right path for me, the right path for me was medical school and a medical career where I could serve.

[ExZonie]

If the wait time was so short why did he spend so much money to get care?

[marhharris]

Universal health care is purely an increase to the already massive overblown size of "Uncle Sam's plantation".

>Everybody being 'equal' & the underlying ideals of socialism are on the outset- very heartfelt & compassionate.

Yet as we easily see through the lens of factual history, of China under Mao & old Russia- socialism as a governing structure NEVER works.

Too many takers demanding from the productive. Politicians love redistribution of OTHER'S wealth; for VOTES- not out of care.

[marhharris]

Universal healthcare is nothing more than socialism, giving government yet even more control that they ALWAYS abuse. EVERYTHING the government gets involved in becomes a failure,stealing more of the financially productive's hard-earned money in order to perpetuate more of the same ineptness.

MPI is GREAT.Best entity to come along since Conservative Talk Radio. MPI will thrive just as Conservative Talk Radio has. Why? Because they offer a truthful alternative to decades of Liberal propaganda.

[pranays]

That is totally an American misconception most of the western Democracies have public healthcare except the USA; No Communist countries have public healthcare except Cuba. So clearly America is more like China, N-Korea, and the former USSR where only the elite get proper care and Canada and the rest of the western democracies have public healthcare so clearly Public healthcare is a Democratic thing. Too much Conservative Talk Radio, is bad for your mind fills it with lies and twisted facts.

[cordovamx]

What I find funny is that you have not presented an iota of facts to back up your arguments, all you have done is say how much you hate American's and how much of a liar I am, I have at least presented solid facts to back up my side of the argument ;)

[happyones819]

Ask the government for permission to get surgery to save your life?? Ideology should never trump someone's need for medical services!

[puoyk]

There's a new book on the market called The Age of American Unreason ( written by an American no less ) about how stupid Amercans are becoming. Need I say more.....

[wrathofworm]

This disgusts me. How dare a society that values money more than the welfare of its citizens criticize our system of free, equal healthcare access for all? Yes we have a waiting time, but at leat we know that no rich person can jump the line because they have more money, but less of a need. They have to go outside the country to get such preferential health care. So help me if he gets his money from the government. He doesn't deserve a penny. I actually hope they tax him for jumping the line.

[cordovamx]

lol- your kidding right? Rich people in Canada jump the qeue all the time. Even political figures receive preferential treatment constantly. The Canadian medical system is a terrible, terrible way to provide health care to it's citizens.

[Bese3538]

How do you know

[pranays]

No they dont one politician tried that in the 80s and it was a big thing he never worked politics again no one get to jump the line thats why hes crying about. He had money but had to wait his turn like everyone else. Youre not even Canadian and you are going to go around make stuff up about our healthcare you are a liar and a Yankee peace of SHIT.

[cordovamx]

lol, your comment is laughable. First of all, learn to articulate a proper sentence, and second of all there are mountains of stories similar to the Mcreith's. Canadians spend over 1billion a year in the US because they cant receive proper care in Canada. In most provinces you cant even get a CT or MRI scan for 12-13 weeks because of over-crowding. Many Canadian citizens are on waiting lists for up to 6 months to receive something as simple as a Cortizone injection.

[cordovamx]

Once again you have proven you cannot (or will not) research the issue. Most Canadian clinics send their patients to the US for radiation therapy (Cancer Patients to Head South, Medical Post, Vol. 35, No. 22). Canada uses the United States as a safety valve for its overtaxed health care system,

with patients spending a combined total of more than $1 billion a year on U.S. medical care. (Victor Dirnfeld, The Benefits of Privatization, Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol. 155, No. 4)

[cordovamx]

I haven't made a thing up. 27 days? Really? Maybe in several anecdotal cases but the Canadian Health Service has stated that wait times routinely average from 8-13 weeks for an MRI (that's your own data- FROM Canada). The current wait times in Toronto, for non-emergency MRI's are 30 days+. The longest wait time for a non-emergency MRI is at a hospital in Newmarket, where it's 142 days. In Grey/Bruce, it's 19 days. All results are longer than U.S wait times by a large margin.

[cordovamx]

Since your so adept at Youtube, do a search on the downfalls of the Canadian system, I did a simple search, I typed "Canadian Health Care System" and got over 2,000 results for videos mostly showing the depravities of Canada's system. Try using the same search for Google and you will find PLENTY of info backing up my statements. Also, look at your own government website which publishes yearly health care statistics and see for yourself.

[cordovamx]

This type of injection could be received at a walk-in appointment at most MD's offices. Surgeries in Canada are back logged for nearly 2 years for something as simple as a knee or hip replacement, a procedure available in the US within 1-2 weeks. Canada also suffers from drastically low CT and MRI scanners compared to the US because medical funds go towards funding its wasteful system. There are mountains of documentation to prove everything I have stated, a simple Google search will do that.

[cordovamx]

And as far as your last comment goes, it is painfully obvious you lack the intellectual fortitude to carry on a meaningful conversation, calling names proves you have nothing better to say, and it proves I am right because you cannot argue the point with your own facts. I haven't made a thing up about your healthcare system, this type of knowledge is fairly mainstream, and the statistics are even found on your own government websites! How's that for a Yank ;)

[cordovamx]

People in the United States are never dropped from life-saving procedures because of an inability to pay, it simply does not happen, it is illegal to deny anyone medical care that would save their life. Knee surgery candidates in Canada (if they are older than 65) are mostly denied the procedure- because it is too costly and they are too old to benefit. The reason why they wait is because the Canadian government can't afford it. You really don't know your own medical system that well do you?

[cordovamx]

What about the elderly in Canada? The government has decided that people over 80 years old are ineligible for the hip and knee surgery priority program again because their surgeries take longer. This is particularly ironic because older Canadians are arguably more entitled to these surgeries, having paid more taxes into the system over their lifetime, than their younger fellow citizens.

Canada rations care- that's the only way that the government can barely afford to pay for it.

[cordovamx]

After years of government control the Canadian medical system is badly injured and bleeding citizens' hard-earned tax dollars. The institute compared health care systems in the industrialized countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and found Canada currently spends the most, yet ranks among the lowest on indicators like access to physicians, quality of medical equipment, and key health outcomes. (July 2004 Vancouver FI "Paying, More, Getting Less")

[cordovamx]

Unfortunately there were several studies done by health watch dog groups in Canada that show that those with the most money can jump the cue, there have even been several politicians who succeed at jumping in line because they can pay for it. (Canadian Health Care — A System in Collapse, Fraser Institute).

[cordovamx]

Once again, it doesn't matter at all that I am not a Canadian, the data is available to both of us, and I have actually read and understood it ;) It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the fallacies of the Canadian system. I also have another question for you- do YOU work in, or participate in Canadian health care besides from being a patient? So far (judging by your immaturity) I am guessing you are a teenager who doesn't have any experience with a health care system of any kind.

[cordovamx]

You can't win this argument, so you retort to name calling and dogging me for a video I posted several years ago? Wow, you really got nothing left do you?

Judged on your rhetoric you are the one who is "trolling". I have presented data and facts (from your own government WITH sources) and you have name called...so who's trolling who?

[cordovamx]

lol why would you remove your own comments then?

GDP does NOT include population densities, it is simply a measurement of the goods and service provided by a country. A freshman level college statistics class teaches that.

No cherry picking here; the information is out there and I simply read, and understood it.

You know you miserably lost this debate, thats why you still have yet to present facts other than opinion- but hey, you enjoy your health care. Ignorance sure must be bliss...

[pranays]

I tried to end my debate with you for a week now and even though I blocked you; some how you still find away to fill my in box, you are the troll and its very clear. Unless you can prove the US healthcare is better thats all youre doing is trolling.

By the way I forgot Canada had a way lower infant mortality rate as well.

[cordovamx]

By the way you still have not answered one of my questions. Just a little reminder :)

[pranays]

You havent won anything all you have proven is that Canada healthcare is not perfect but I never claimed it was. What I claimed is it is better than US healthcare and it is.

100% of Canadians have healthcare coverage.

15% of the US population is completely uninsured, and 24% have below basic coverage.

Canadians live longer on average than US Citizens

US spent 15.3% of GDP on health care

Canada spent 10.0%

It's not perfect but its better than US healthcare and that is undeniable.

[cordovamx]

You can't make a comparison between the percentage of GDP spent because the US GDP is vastly larger than the Canadian GDP, so of course yours will be smaller. You also have a MUCH smaller population and therefore spend much, much less- so your statistic is void.

100% of Canadians have ACCESS to waiting lists for medical care, I would hardly call access to waiting lists "medical coverage".

[pranays]

% of GDP takes the population difference into consideration so yes it is a fair compression. It would not be a fair comparison if it was a straight dollar value, you dont seem to understand anything or you simply deny facts to prove yourself right. Your arguments are weak so you have to rig the debate. Im done with you and this will be my last post you so full of shit. Info cherry picking how very Bush and Cheney of you.

[cordovamx]

Infant mortality rate is not a measure of a countries health system, there are far too many factors that play into such a statistic to rate a health care system upon it as a solo value. However, probably one of the best ways to measure the wellness of a health system is in "responsiveness", a measurement of how quickly and effectively a health system caters to patients, and how quickly those patients recover. In the WHO report the US ranked #1, while Canada ranked #7.

[cordovamx]

Canadians also have less children, so naturally, your infant mortality rate is going to be lower than ours. Canada: 330,000 a year; the US: 4,096,335a year. Even when adjusted for population densities we still have more births annually, so obviously our infant mortality rate will be higher. Still, it is not a criteria for ranking a health system as socio-economics between our two countries vary so widely.

[cordovamx]

Physician Resource Questionnaire, Canadian Medical Association and Canadian Medical Association, Canadians Access to Quality Health Care: A System in Crisis, submitted to The House of Commons Standing Committee on Finance."

Vince Talotta, The Sickness in Our Health System, Toronto Star.

David Trifunov, A Deadly Waiting Game, Ottawa Citizen.

Some other Canadian sources showing the depravities of Canada's health system. So far you have miserably lost this debate.

[cordovamx]

No Canadian would choose US healthcare? Really? Then why last year did Canadians spend over 1 Billion on healthcare in the United States because they couldn't get the procedures in Canada? Please, tell me specifically where and how I have lied. I have presented valid sources for all of my statements- you have produced nothing but childish rhetoric.

[cordovamx]

Tell me SPECIFICALLY what accusation I have falsely made (you wont though), all the accusations I have made I have quoted and shown you my sources- did you even read or verify them? I hope all Canadians aren't as ignorant as you are. go try arguing with someone who can't read and has no common sense- you may get somewhere ;)

By the way, thanks for the laughs and your attempt at defending Canada's health system.

[cordovamx]

You quoted a study without posting a source, so unfortunately I can't verify your comment. BUT- the uninsured in America have superb medical coverage and are not denied care anywhere, US legislation prevents them from being denied care. They have better access to primary medical care than Canadians (NEJM: vol 26, issue 4). They also have better outcomes from care (NEJM: vol 22, issue 6).

[cordovamx]

haha- yet again you have shown your complete lack of integrity as you continuously ignore facts that I have presented- please take a moment to look at all the articles and sources (almost all from Canada) that shows and proves my point. Your ignorance is completely and utterly laughable.

The funny thing is that you are getting so angry because you know that I am right, and have no valid argument- so your only defense to swear and stamper...like a 5 year old.

[cordovamx]

I haven't quoted or stated a thing that I have seen on Fox or CNN. My facts are from your own government data and stories of individuals from your own country. Canadians have a longer life expectancy for several reasons that have nothing to do with health care. Two of which are: 1) Socio-economics are DRASTICALLY different, The US has a higher minority population, which generally lives a less-healthier lifestyle. 2) The diet in the U.S. is fairly un-healthy compared to Canada's.

[cordovamx]

No one in America can go without health care, there is already Medicaid which pays for those who cannot afford privatized health insurance, so stating that there are "50 million" uninsured is a blatant mis-representation of factual truth.

[cordovamx]

Sorry, but those with poor grammar who result to name calling in debates prove they don't know enough about the issue to continue the debate. And no one in the U.S. has called you commies.

[cordovamx]

Marko Simunovic et al., A Snapshot of Waiting Times for Cancer Surgery Provided by Surgeons Affiliated with

Regional Cancer Centres in Ontario, Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol. 165

Since you are so interested in data from Canada, take a look at the Canadian medical journal which features articles in ALMOST EVERY ISSUE about the growing wait times, and the inability to receive simple care, and health care rationing and high cost.

[cordovamx]

hahaha, you still have yet to give ANY answers! The Fraser Institute is a private third party with highly respectable data and it is FAR from cherry picking. Aside from that one statistic EVERYTHING else I have said was directly from your own government data an d studies. Cherry picking? Not even close. And I am still waiting on ANY data form you that shows that what I have said is wrong.

[cordovamx]

So far I am the only one who has been able to provide factual evidence, with sources to back it up. You have done nothing but name calling and provided ZERO sources or evidence to refute my statements. The hallmark of when someone knows they have lost the debate is they resort to name calling and child-like antics. I find it funny you call conservative Americans "Reich" wingers when we are the ones enjoying more freedoms than your socialistic government grants you.

[cordovamx]

Haha- that comment proves, in every, way, shape and form that you are about as immature as they come, for someone older than 25 (my age) your use of the English language rivals that of 8th graders who get into playground arguments over which Pokemon is better. Why all the hate towards me? Because I overwhelmingly destroyed the sliver of an argument you pathetically held?

[cordovamx]

Trolling can be defined as one who purposely insights arguments for no other sake than arguing, one who swears, rants and raves and does not contribute to the discussion and one who speaks maliciously to others. I have done nothing of the sort, you have done all of the above. (hence the reason why nearly all of your comments have been deleted from the thread, none of mine have been removed.)

[cordovamx]

Finally, you present something even remotely related to our discussion on health care! I completely agree with you that the United States health care system isn't perfect, you wont find a perfect one in the entire world. I never lied about a thing, stop misrepresenting what I have stated.

[ExZonie]

So your reasoning it, "Yeah, it's terrible, but at least the rich have terrible care too"? Wow.

[cordovamx]

lol, the WHO health care rating system is grossly flawed, and, how come the very same report later ranked the US number 3 after removing some parameters that favor a government run system? The Canadian system, per capita, is one of the most expensive, and wasteful system in the world (as stated by the same WHO report you are quoting). It helps to actually read the report and understand how systems are ranked.

[cordovamx]

By the way, it is completely untrue that there are 50 million "uninsured" in America, this is blatantly false, the truth is that 22 million of those are illegal aliens, and another 20 million are individuals who are 18-35 years of age who choose not to carry health insurance. 5 million are those who are in-between jobs and don't have insurance because they get it through their work and the remaining 3 million is merely an estimated buffer statistic.

[cordovamx]

Provide me with evidence of what you are saying is true and then I will lend you some credibility, until then your name calling is just that: meaningless name-calling from someone unable and unwilling to verify factual data. I could look at the sky all day long and tell everyone else that its red, and call anyone who disagrees with me is a "liar", but it doesn't make it any less true that the sky, is in fact, blue. Calling me a liar doesn't change the fact that Canadian health care is sub-par.

[dicivi]

When the UK went to a two tier medical system those with money got immediate attention and those who were poor ended up on even longer waiting lists. With private health - the insurance companies only want to insure the young and healthy, and the best doctors are lured away leaving the public system with what's left. Our system in Canada may need a bit of a upgrade but it is still the envy of many Americans, who have for example, a much higher infant mortality rate.

[puoyk]

I lived in the US for 20 years and experienced its dismal HMO system. The last 5 years I was there I had no health insurance at all. So how many Americans don't have health insurance these days.....something like 50 million and growing. Look's good on ya. As I always say, waiting for health care in Canada is a lot better than getting no health care in the US. Besides, I prefer having my doctor make my health care decisions for me instead of an insurance agent.

[cordovamx]

because having the government make those decisions is so much better right?

[pranays]

You are full of shit again under the Canada health act only youre Doctor and you get to decide what kind of medical service you need. The only time the government gets involved is if you leave the country the government decide if they will pay for medical done out of state. That include your lie about elderly and the knee and hip surgery, you are a huge liar and Reich wing propagandises you cannot win a debate with lies in Canada only in the USA were lying is second nature to you right wingers.

[JohnPurvis]

Lindsay's situation was an isolated case and the "facts" in this video are wrong. The World Health Organization consistently ranks Canada health care system higher than the United States. Canadians have a great life expectancy 80.5 years, US 77.5 years.Canada has a lower infant mortality rate. More Americans die to botched health care treatment than Canadians.

[arlihow]

yeah, you can get health care in the US if you have the money - which is what, 20% of the American population. if i had a brain tumor the superb care in Buffalo would not help me.

This gentleman could have got the same care in Cuba - at a much lower cost.

[gundamWWW]

This video villifies the Canadian healthcare system... Funny thing is people immigrate to Canada for healthcare... I've been to Buffalo some parts are complete ghettos. The reason the Canadian system is a bit sluggish is cause they put everyone for healthcare. It's a quite noble act but it is quite difficult to make it a realistic venture in these days...

[TeamSIckoEh]

My mother had breast cancer but it was a grade 1 and we live in Canada. From my understand if Lindsay had a grade 4 then he would be died within a year and no treatment could save him.

Grade 2 are NOT urgent and 1 in 3 live for 5 years WITH NO treatment and 2 in 3 live for 5 years with radiation and chemo only. Tumor removal for grade 2 is not done often and only if the cancer is in area which will not effect any major functions of the person.

[TeamSIckoEh]

This seem to be surgery that was not needed and the only purpose was for the hospital and doctor to make money.

Are they any facts that i am wrong about and could you email so i can better understand the case.