Concept of Trinity in the Light of Science -- Dr Zakir Naik

[Swick50187]

2nd john in (kjv) says..for there r 3 that bear record in heaven the father theword an holy ghost and these 3 are 1!!! jesus also said he was I AM. now who else but god could claim that he is I AM. Wen jesus died on the cross it was a perfect sacrifice and nobody is perfect but GOD! and also read john 10/30 and john 10/33. then reply back to me i have alot more verses i cant all fit in this 1 comment

[dhonvele]

@Swick50187

regarding the 1st verse u mentioned, the scholars of bible confirmed (1john5:8) was a fabrication & this verse was removed from NIV of bible. (most up dated & authentic bible according to most Christians scholars). They also said this verse was included in the bible in 16th century.(check official website of NIV)

therefore first of all, please explain us; is this a word of God or addition to the word of God?

i am sorry? u mean God can not be perfected unless somebody Killed Him?

[Swick50187]

no i meant we couldnt b forgivin for our sins if he didnt die for us

[dhonvele]

where does it says?

according to Bible, Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him"

Also what about those who die before the birth of Jesus? will the b forgiven or not?

Merciful God means a God who killed the innocent Son instead of the Sinner?

[nafsar100]

all the examples given make no sense at all. how can we be so underdeveloped to use such humanely examples and conclude about gods existanse ??????

[dexter2433]

the bible is a book made buy man for man to try and understand things that they could not at that time in mans existence

he knows the books very well yes

[Sendo911]

This gentleman is very smart!!!

I knows the Quran and the Bible on top of his lips.

very nice.

he must have studied a lot, no wonder he can find multiple errors in bible.

[Nisham999]

Brother. Not he, there 're many people alike. but to me too, he and Deedat are best. But I have an advice, can't you think about your way of life please. if ther is a God, what will be ur status tomorrow when there is judgement day...

[chillzz25]

this guy is really stupid

The Trinity in God's Creation to name a few

Solid-Liquid-Gas=Matter

Past-Present-Future=Time

Height-Width-Depth=Space

Mind-Body-Spirit=Human Being

Father-Mother-Children=Family

[abushtayyah]

chillzz25,

Your examples is totally wrong. Lets examine that.

father mother Children are family but do they hace the same power? Same authority, same personality?

Mind body spirit = Human If the body is weak would that make him a fit human?

We are talking about God, Christians say the father is God the son is God the whole spirit is God but they are not 3 Gods but one?

Jesus never claim to be part of the trinity theory, the OT claim that God is one, even NT 1st commandment is 2 worship one.

[ShanaiBabes]

no! come on stop and think carefully your salvation depend on this, i was a christian by tradition but ALLAAH guide me to the way that he has given- Islam in matt.24 v.36 Christ- 1 of the mightiest messenger and prophet of GOD may peace and blessings of almighty GOD be upon Christ ! who av said in matt that of the "Hour" knoweth no man not even him himself nor the angel he said only GOD KNOW, pls christian tell me why Christ dnt know the "Hour if he was "God" like u said ikno GOD kno all

[muziqmonster]

Well, you have a major problem, dont'cha?

What about Satan, the AntiChrist, the False Prophet and the EVIL Spirit??

That's FOUR, not 3 !! Oops!

Didn't Father Yahweh create Jesus as the first holy Son of all the Sons of Yahweh? Adam was the second son! Adam, Jesus, Moses and Abraham are brothers!

Who teaches you? It certainly isn't the wisdom keepers of the world. Your errors are many, for not one single doctrine on earth is without errors, not even Islam nor Judaism nor Christianity :(

[wahabkorai28]

@chillzz25

what if child is dead or wife gets devorced

one God dead

lol

what an stupid person u r

[taskmasterknight]

may allah bless zakir naik, look at the fat pastor he looks so uneasy, i wish pope could have dialogue with him.zakir expalains with logic n science .truth stands out clear from error! allah o akbar

[Godblesstruth]

Allah's Apostle said, "When Allah completed the creation, He wrote in His Book which is with Him on His Throne,

"My Mercy overpowers My Anger."

[Godblesstruth]

"First of all, there was Allah, and there was nothing before Him,

"The first thing that Allah created was the pen

and He said to it 'Write'.

The pen asked, "O my God...'What shall I write?'

Allah said, 'Write (the) fate (of everything).'

So the pen wrote everything that shall be from that moment until judgment day.

and He wrote everything in "Al-Thikr" (the tablet)

and then He created the Heavens and the Earth."

[sdardery]

a perfect answer.....mashallah on dr zakir.

[NGENeer999]

This is a multi part reply because of the 500 character limit.

Muslims, Jews and many Christians dont fully understand the concept of the, so called, Trinity.

Genesis 1:26 "Then God said "Let US make man in Our image according to Our likeness..."

So... we are created in His image, but what does God mean when He says Let US... OUR image... OUR likeness...

Tough question, after all we cant very well examine God, can we?

[sinseersister]

NGENeer99: Dear friend: The word ( We) is an expression used in Arabic ,and other Semantic languages; like Hebrew to indicate respect ;highness or; power ,and it is used by Kings and princess in Arabic for this purpose . Read more, if u wish, about this usage . Good louck.

[NGENeer999]

Well, how about if we examine ourselves? After all, He created us in His image, His own likeness, right?

- We have a mind that thinks, plans, even creates new thoughts and ideas and then acts on them.

- We have a physical body that carries out the wishes of the mind... (John 5;19 ...the Son can do nothing by himself...whatever the Father does, the Son also does...)

- We have a spirit that can be lifted up in joy or broken by tragedy or torture.

[richie7rich7]

human mind is capable of love, mercy and many great thing....

BUT

human mind is also capable of rape, murder, deception.

So do you mean to tell me that God is capable of all these negative things too? U mean to say God is a hypocrite?

The moment the God does this, God ceases t be God. By the definition of God the negative aspects cannot be related to God. So

John here is proved wrong. Please also note that Bible surfaced long after Jesus was "apparently" crucified.

[oombuddah]

Ahmed = definately Muhammad pbuh, why? Because Ahmed translated is Paraclytos, Back then, people used to talk with ARAMAIC LANGUAGE, and back then at the time at which THIS QUOTE WAS MADE BY JESUS, Jesus spoke in Aramaic. This word in Aramaic language meant THE PRAISED ONE back then, Praised one translated into Arabic is Muhammad (Ahmed)

[oombuddah]

Ahmed = Muhammad

The last prophet! Logic is wonderful, its a shame the Bible is rather illogical and contradictory. What can you expect though? A huge amoun of the Bible has been CHANGED EACH AND EVERY TIME it was passed down, because it is TOO ISLAMIC, you decide, removed, but truthful biblical accounts of God seen to be that of ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM OR the word of Christian Scholars? God or mankind?

Don't suffer huge torment in Hell Bonjournuit22,use your LOGIC and INTELLIGENCE.

Thank you

Salam

[oombuddah]

ok, you seem to be mislead

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3] God sent Jesus as a prophet.

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!'"

PEACE!

[oombuddah]

Non-Muslims, I challenge the reasoning of your faith.

ilovezakirnaik (type that in Google)

Its a fan site, answers your questions check it out!

[BonjourNuit22]

What non Muslim would ask Muslims questions when Muslims were deceived by the world's only false prophet and Muslims don't even know it

No prophet was to come after Jesus who was the Christ and the Messiah,the door to all prophets was forever closed

The Jews are still await the Messiah,the Christians await the return of Jesus,and Muslims await the return of Jesus and all await the same God who is Jesus

So if anyone wants true answers never ask any Muslim,Ask God for God always answers

[kisame426]

Jesus (PBUH) was only a man and if he were to die in which me and muslims around the wrld believe he did not die... if he were then how cna a god die thts impossiable and no prophet would go and sacrifice his life for ppl. prophets were brought by god to reveal the truth not to be a goat to be slaughterd!!! use ur brains u fuckin idiots and let me say this again!!!!!!1 " Jesus never said he was GOD!" in the false corrupted bible and in his speachess follow islam it is truly the right way!

[BonjourNuit22]

Jesus said he would go to the cross to prove to his disciples he is God and he rose from the dead to prove it,only then is when Christianity came into existence

Muh never taught you truth,for the truth is God is in you and in all people to guide them,a true prophet was to return people to that fact

Only Islam is false as only Islam begins with a false prophet who did not serve God but served himself and Satan

Islam is truly the right way straight to hell

[BonjourNuit10]

science can't prove or disprove the trinity as science can not prove or disprove God, but Muslims will resort to any means it can to promote the lies of Islam for no Muslim can understand the Trinity when they were taught Jesus didn't die on the cross and that Jesus was merely a prophet when in fact,Jesus is the Trinity or creator who came to reteach he alone is with every person on earth

[shadowofears]

I believe you r a liar not Jesus who never preached such blaspheme things about God.He even said not to call me Good Master for there is none good except God alone.Blow to ur Trinity ( Satan bigest deception)

[BonjourNuit12]

when you were taught mostly lies,then of course when someone speaks the truth you would call them liars

Only Islam is blaspheme,only Muhammad was deceived and taught you deceptions because Jesus said he was God,he went to the cross because he said he was God,he rose from the dead as he said he would and no one has done that before nor since

Blow your Islam, Satan's Biggest deception

[Deadkiller142]

Before you ask Anti-Christ is a demon cyclops who will claim to be god and will have the power to give life... Jesus will come down and kill the demon(demon is too medieval age so lets use imposter). Then he will become the ruler of this world through a time of great posperity, AFTER HIS NATURAL DEATH the world will be flung back into chaos etc.

I guess you got the point on our belifs

[Deadkiller142]

You guys have those red ink bibles right?

the one in which EVERYTHING Jesus has said is in red ink, well can you find me a word, phrase, sentence where he said "I am God, worship me"? We believe Jesus was NOT crucified, instead the traitor Judas Iscariot was made to look like him and HE was crucified. Jesus was taken up by God and will return in the future(though this time may not be far off as all the signs of the Judgement day are completing) to kill anti-Christ

[BonjourNuit9]

Muhammad claimed Jesus announced the coming of the Ahmad,which came days after Jesus rose from the dead

The Ahmad is in all people on earth John 14-17,it is how God alone is with all people,instead Muhammad claimed he was the Ahmad when the Ahmad is God

Jesus never said he would send the Ahmad 500 years later to a man who said Jesus never died on the cross,Jesus said he would make those who believed in him aware of his own presence or Holy Spirit John 14:20

[BonjourNuit9]

Jesus is the Trinity,He is the creator Father who came as God incarnate,known as the Son to re-teach He alone is with all people on earth to guide them,

In the Jewish Bible it is written the Trinity:Isaiah 9:6,onto us a son is given,he will be called Councelor(Holy Spirit), Mighty God and Everlasting Father

[BonjourNuit9]

It is always amazing to find the many ways Muslims fight over the religions,even trying to use Science to fight the Trinity when science is atheist

Muslims fight over the religions because Muhammad said he was the Ahmad for he would tell only the God's truth,however he failed have someone to read a few lines before the passage he had taken, which states the Ahmad lives in all people which proves Muhammad was a false prophet,

Gee that is a fact and I didn't even have to use science!

[shadowofears]

Zakir Naikhas has openly challanged that if any Christian bring any one verse where Jesus said IM GOD or WORSHIP ME he will turn into Christian.I m not an expert but he is.He can give answers to ur replies.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadowofears Muslims demand Christians believe Muhammad was in the Bible as in hints and suggestions of nic names but it never says Muhammad will come as a prophet

Jesus said He is God and worship me,his own way not the ways of kings of our world who demanded people bow down to them

Jesus said I and the Father are one,the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus,the Jews said blasphemous,you a mere man claim to be God John 10:33

Jesus said If you love me you will obey what I command John 14:15

[Deadkiller142]

Jesus never said he was God, stop arguing you have lost the fight

[BonjourNuit9]

Deadkiller Jesus did say he was God many times and many ways,that is why he was sent to the cross and that is why he rose from the dead

So stop arguing you have lost the fight

[shadowofears]

The NIV Bible Theologians and Historians also commented on other books of the Bible to be corrupted by the scribes:

"...portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel's history... (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)"

[shadowofears]

One thing that Jews and Christians have yet to prove is the validity of the books and gospels of the Bible. The Bible is full of historical corruptions. Indeed, man-made cultural laws had entered the bible and turned it into a big lie. So to take the above verses and the books of the bible as The True Living Words of GOD Almighty when they are nothing but doubtful man-made hoax is indeed A CRIME AGAINST GOD AND HIS REVELATIONS.

[shadowofears]

Muhammed in Gospel of Barnabas

'And God shall make answer even as a friend who jesteth with a friend, and shall say: "Hast thou witnesses of this, my friend Mohammed?" And with reverence he shall say: "Yes, Lord."

[shadowofears]

Allah Almighty also Commanded UNCOMPROMISED Justice:

"O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:135)

[shadowofears]

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

[shadowofears]

Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)

[shadowofears]

Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."

Noble Verse 42:40 "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong.

[shadowofears]

Noble Verse 13:22 "Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; establish regular prayers; spend out of (the gifts) We have bestowed for their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off evil with good: for such there is the final attainment of the (Eternal) Home."

Noble Verse 23:96 "Repel evil with that which is best: We are Well-acquainted with the things they say."

[shadowofears]

As Muslims, we do not embrace the pedophilia, rape, terrorism and all of the other forms of evil that exist in the Bible, nor do we believe that the Prophets of Allah Almighty, peace and blessings be upon all of them, ever committed such cruel acts that are falsely attributed to them.

We're only exposing the corrupted bible and the evil that exists in it.

[shadowofears]

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

In the Torah (In the Book of Numbers in the Bible), after the conquest of Midian and Moab, and the great venereal plague, Moses ordered that all the women "who have known a man" be killed but that "all the young girls, who have not known a man by lying with him" be kept alive for the Israelites.

[shadowofears]

A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

Psalm 137:8-9

8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.

9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

[shadowofears]

Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

1 Samuel 15:2-4

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

[shadowofears]

Women as war booties in the Bible.

Coveting the neighbor's wife and another man's wife.

Judah and the prostitute. No punishment!

Lot's offering of his daughters as prostitutes!

Favoritism to Lot over the innocent children!

David committed Covet, Adultery and Murder!

David's selective murder was never condemned

[shadowofears]

Pregnant women will be ripped open

Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."

[shadowofears]

Just before considering the case of Muhammed keep in ur mind the case of Joseph when he was 90 yrs old marrid to young Mary at age of 10.According to oxford dictionary she was 14 when she given birth to ur God.We Muslims don't call Joseph Childmolester or Holyspirit Rapist for impregnating Mary.

[shadowofears]

Just compare the morality of ur Hebrew prophet with our prophet he was far better in character.David commited adultory with neighbour's wife & murdered her husband too,Lot raped his own daughters,Abrahim married with his own siscter Sarah & King Solomon mentioned open ponography with his wife in songs of songs.

[shadowofears]

Just compare the morality of ur Hebrew prophet with our prophet he was far better in character.David commited adultory with neighbour's wife & murdered her husband too,Lot raped his own daughters,Abrahim married with his own siscter Sarah & King Solomon mentioned open ponography with his wife in songs of songs.

[shadowofears]

Just compare the morality of ur Hebrew prophet with our prophet he was far better in character.David commited adultory with neighbour's wife & murdered her husband too,Lot raped his own daughters,Abrahim married with his own siscter Sarah & King Solomon mentioned open ponography with his wife in songs of songs.

[BonjourNuit9]

bowing down to touch the ground with your head is only a display perhaps of your earnest desire to submit to God but it is not true submission to God for no Muslim has ever left the darkness and ventured into the Light for the Light is the Presence of God who is with you and not one Muslim beginning with Muhammad ever knew God alone is the true guidance for all humankind Muh who married a 6 year old child is justified by his followers but never by God who was robbed of a 1.5 billion Children

[BonjourNuit9]

And here is a youtube entitled the concept of the trinity in the light of science

When only God created the universe and humankind and science which is 100% atheist never would debate over God,only Muslims are deceptive to do that and they were taught Jesus didn't die on the cross,when Christianity would not exist otherwise and they were taught Jesus was merely a prophet when only Jesus claimed he was God and proved it,not only by rising from the dead,but by being with every person on earth

[shadowofears]

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

[BonjourNuit9]

Ever since I discovered there are over a thousand Muslim sites pretending to be experts on Christianity when they are ignorant of the fact that Muhammad was deceived thus a false prophet,I have since learnt Muslims are incapable of seeing any proof given to them,for it would endanger their very lives,as they are forbidden to leave Islam due to the fact Islam is from Satan or the lies of those who seek global conquest through oppression and deception

[shadowofears]

Is The Word TRINITY Exists in the Bible?

If Jesus had been crucified for our sins then what is the need of having a POLICE in the Country?

OR then wats evil in raping women, robbing, and killing anyone???

Did Jesus said himself in the Bible to Worship him?

If eating Pork in prohibited in Bible why do the Christians eat it?

CAN U ANSWER??

[BonjourNuit9]

When Muslims want to say Muh was mentioned in the very bibles Muh claimed were falsified,despite no where is it written Muh will come as a prophet,no where is it written that God will break his covenant with Abraham

The Trinity is a term to denote that Jesus is the Father,Son and Holy Spirit because saying the term Trinity is a lot shorter!

But it is in the Jewish Bible as in Isaiah 9:6 and it is in the Christian Bible

After Jesus rose from the dead,he taught the Trinity Matthew 28-18

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow just because you put your head to the ground,just because you don't eat pork,does not make mean you are submitted to God because not one Muslim including Muhammad even knows God is with all people on earth to guide them regardless of what they believe

Islam is not about God,it is all about Muh

Muh who invented a religion based on all that came from man in the Jewish religion

Not eating pork,does not teach you God is with you,or that God feels for all people

[shadowofears]

Some historical evidence shows that Aisha was 19-21 when the Prophet married her.

The author of the well-known collection of Hadith 'Mishkat al-Masabeeh', Sheikh Waheed-ud-Deen, writes in his well-known book 'Ahmal fi Asma' al-Rijjal':

"At the time of the consummation of her marriage Sayedah 'Aishah's age was not less than 18-19 years.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow other historical evidence states when Aisha as a baby crawled towards Muh,then he wanted to marry her but her parents said no but he insisted and they relented asking him not to have sex with her until 9

He was a pediophile and pediophiles don't know God

If Muh was truly guided by God,he would have loved God so much that he could never sex with a child,or rape a virgin

Jesus said beware of false prophets who come as wolves in sheep's clothing,by their fruits you will know them

[BonjourNuit9]

The Trinity is not a concept developed at Nicean council but a short term developed after the scriptures were written to say Jesus is God the Creator thus Father who came as God incarnate thus Son to reteach the world of His Holy Spirit or Omnipresence that IS With all people on earth

how else do you think Jesus who is God can appear to all people at the same time for Judgement?

It is only by Jesus being with all people on earth and KNOWS all people,that Jesus who is God can judge all people

[shadowofears]

Trinity was infect created in Nicean Creed just to satisfy pagan worship it was plagarized from sungod trinity.The same reason they change Jesus birthday to match with sungod Mithras.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow why do you pretend to be a scholar on History when you are not

Mithras came out of Iran around the same time as Christianity,it could very well be their way of using their own language to denote their own understandings

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow the council of Nicean only debated over the Trinity they did not invented the Trinity

The Trinity was already in the Jewish Bible as a prophecy written 2800 years ago,in Isaiah 9;6 which states unto us a Son is given,he will be called Councelor(which is the Holy Spirit) Mighty God and Everlasting Father

The Trinity is a short term that refers to Jesus being the Father,Son and Holy Spirt taught by Jesus when he rose from the dead Matthew 28-18

[BonjourNuit9]

The Trinity is not a concept but a short term developed after the scriptures were written to say Jesus is God the Creator thus Father who came as God incarnate thus Son to reteach the world of His Holy Spirit or Omnipresence that IS With all people on earth

how else do you think Jesus who is God can appear to all people at the same time for Judgement?

It is only by Jesus being with all people on earth and KNOWS all people,that Jesus who is God can judge all people

[shadowofears]

The word Trinity doesn't exsist in Bible it was a concept developted by Nicean creed >it was plagarized from sungod Trinity to satisfy pagan worship.Those tempted by stan celebrate 25 december as birthday of Jesus which was that of sungod Mithras.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow be so proud of yourself, that you checked every word in the bible to determine the word Trinity is not in the Bible but it is,so check again.

[shadowofears]

I hv checked it is not there in the Bible .This word was used for the 1 time in Nicean Creed where they were choosing God's Words on voting & busy in persecuting those who don't believe in Trinity.

[BonjourNuit9]

ShadowofFears the trinity is a short way of saying Jesus is the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

The word came after but the concept of the Trinity Jesus taught in Matthew 28-18 when he rose from the dead and the concept of the Trinity was in the Jewish Bible as a prophecy Isaiah 9:6

The Trinity is Jesus the Creator thus Father who came as God incarnate known as the Son to re-teach of His Omnipresence or Holy Spirit

ONE God who is with all people on earth to which Christians know as Jesus

[BonjourNuit9]

Do all your Muslims share one page with the same bullshit as to how to dispute over the religions thereby dishonouring your own false prophet?

The Trinity is Jesus,it is a term developed long after he rose from the dead,so we wouldn't have to say Jesus is the Father,Son and Holy Spirit

[shadowofears]

Read Bible Chosen people of God were involved in worst sins like committing adultery, drinking wine, worshipping false gods, appearing naked, and having incest on two consective nights with their own daughters. Is it the way of prophets?

[BonjourNuit9]

ShadowofFear 3000 years ago,throughout the entire world,it was violent as depicted in the Jewish Bible,the difference being that the Jews recorded their history,the rest of the world glorified their violence or did not record it

[shadowofears]

BonjourNuit9 you can find Trinity in Gospel of Saul but not in true Gospel of Jesus.There were many Gospels rejected in Nicean creed because they coundn't get enough votes i-e Gospel of Barnabas,Gospel of Mary & Secret Gospel of Mark.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow where is the Gospel of Jesus?

I never heard of it

You are speaking about a collection of books found in 1947 which reveals that many writings of the true Apostles never made it into the Bible

Even so,what really is important is in the Bible or in every bible on earth

and that is:Jesus is God who is with all people on earth

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow there is no gospel of Saul,Paul wrote letters while he awaited his execution

Even so,the Trinity is in the Jewish Bible,dated 2800 years ago,that is 800 years before Paul

Isaiah 9:6 Onto us a Son is given,he will be called Councelor(which is the Holy Spirit),Mighty God and EverLasting Father

As for the Gnostic Texts,people are welcomed to read them,to extract from them any greater understanding

but the Bible still holds the key info

that Jesus is God who is with all people

[QuantumUni]

Jesus is God, Yahweh the Father is God. Jesus is not the Father(Yahweh), Yahweh is not the son(Jesus) but they both are God. This is to hard for your little Mind to understand,since you lack knowledge in the dynamics of the supernatural/paranormal and Q Physics.

[BonjourNuit9]

QuantumUni Jesus is The Father:Jesus said Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father John 14:9

Isaiah 9:6 onto us a Son is given he will be called Councelor,Mighty GOD,EVERLASTING FATHER

After Jesus said:I and the Father are One:the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they said:you a mere man claim to Be God!John 10:33

Jesus is God the Father,Son and Holy Spirit

Is that hard for your little mind to understand since you lack the knowledge of the supernatural/paranormal and Q Physics?

[BonjourNuit9]

Deedat -Naik has over a thousand sites fighting with Christianity

Deedat used deception to debunk Christianity in order to promote Islam that itself proves that Islam is the Anti Christ as Satan is the lies of those who seek to conquer the world through fear,violence,oppression and deception

[shadowofears]

The Anti Christ is Paul who changed Jesu religion making pork leagal to Christians,Changing his date of Birth,Nailing 10 commandments of Biblt to cross & giving personal opinion not to marry

[BonjourNuit9]

Only Islam plagarized the Bible to make way for the only religion on earth that begins with a false prophet

and only Islam is from Satan,so if you want to point out the speck in my eye,look first at the log in your own

[BonjourNuit9]

The AntiChrist is Islam,proof there are over a thousand youtube sites putting down Christianity,this site is not even included

Deedat and Naik promote only what you love to hear and that is pure lies

Paul died for what he believed,Muh killed for what he believed

There is a big difference,Paul never married a 6 year old child,he never stoled his adopted son's wife,or his teachings,he was never accused of being greedy for the spoils of war,he never taught people to hate non believers as did Muh

[BonjourNuit9]

Revelations 20:7-Satan went out to deceive the nations in the 4 corners of the earth,to gather them for battle against God's people, In numbers they were like the sand,they marched agatinst God's people and the devil was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur,where the false prophet had been thrown,they well be tormeneted forever and ever

[shadowofears]

Bible is not a word of God because words of God doesn't contain rape stories as Bible mention Rape of Lots daughter and David Adultory with neighbours wife.Shame on those who believe that prophets commets adultey with daughters & siscters.

[BonjourNuit9]

Only Islam is not the word of God,for 60 years ago,from all over the world,the Jews returned to Israel,fulfilling a prophecy in 2places in the Bible,

God chose the Jews and stands by them,no prophet was to come out of Ishmael and only Muh said he came from Ishmael

Lot and Muh both lied and Muh married a 6 year old, Lot wasn't a prophet but Muh claimed he was!

[BonjourNuit9]

shadowoffears the rape of Lot's daughters is not endorsed by God rather by Muhammad who himself made Lot a prophet to endorse that he himself married a 6 year old child

Is that the way of the Prophets, to take an adopted son's wife, to be accused of being greedy for the spoils of war, to lead his followers into war when he was the aggressor who started it?

[shadowofears]

Do you know Joseph was 90 yrs old when he was married with Mary at age of 12.

[BonjourNuit9]

Shadow where is your evidence?

Did you know Muhammad married a 6 year old child? The evidence is in writing with the Muslims

Did you know Jesus taught what you do onto others you do onto God yet Muh taught hate the non believer when he himself began as a pagan

[shadowofears]

If you take the time to study a little bit about the history of the tribes in South America, Middle East, Africa, India and the far eastern Oriental countries 1400 years ago, you would find that many tribes even until today allow the marriage of females at a very young age.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow of fears,even though people from all over the world,in history had sex with young girls,this is wrong,will always be wrong and it comes from the warrior who slaughtered children and women who had no political voice or right,such men were indifferent to human suffering,so having sex with a child stimulated the warrior as he did not feel her suffering,but real men never have sex with children,only men who are sick do that and what is wrong will Always be wrong

[shadowofears]

Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage? Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam as anti-Islamic do today.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow do you think it was fair that little girls orphaned were enslavened and their descendents enslavened for nearly 1500 years until 1962 all because their parents knew Muh was a False prophet,they already worshiped one God and submitted to One God and they obeyed their Bible which PROVED Muh was a false prophet so Muh slaughtered these parents,took their property etc

Who would object everyone feared Muh's evil temper

He wiped out all the Jews and Christians in that nation to this day

[shadowofears]

Muhammed would be paedophile if he would married an immature girl but she attained maturity at age of 9 just like Mary when she has given birth to jesus at age of 14.Adopted son is not equal to real son as in those dark ages it was thought so there is nothing wrong in this marriage.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow does Islam warp all Muslims thinking, no girl is mature at 9 years old

You see when a man claims he is a prophet,that means he is suppose to know how God is and he is suppose to love God and to feel for God and if Muh was a true prophet he would never have married a 6 year old child or have sex with her when she was 9

It is impossible to know God and to rape a child

there is no evidence that Mary was so young when she was given away in marriage to a 90 year old

[shadowofears]

According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadows Muhammad married a 6 year old,and had sex with him when he was in his late fifties and she only 9,Muhammad was a pedophile

Joseph did not have sex with Mary until after she gave birth to Jesus

[shadowofears]

Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home.

[BonjourNuit9]

shadow Samuel is history 3000 years ago,the difference between the Bible and the Koran,is that Muh used bribery to get soldiers,he endorsed slavery,he hated those who knew he was fake,saying they were evil infidels,kill them

The History of the Jews was how it was all over the world,

You can point out anything in the Bible that distains you but it steers you away from the fact that Muh used violence,oppression,fear and deception to obtain power

He was a stateman,never a prophet of God

[BonjourNuit9]

Shadow there is no gospel of Saul,there are only letters he wrote when he awaited his excution

Paul a Jew,persecuted the first Christians until he witnessed the Resurrected Jesus,then he instantly believed,for often seeing is believing and that point Paul and others overlooked

Jesus Had to appear to Paul because he would have killed all the first Christians

That never made Paul an expert on God

but it sure made Paul transform many pagan nations into Christianity

so What is that to you?

[shadowofears]

We, Muslims are not the only ones who believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is mortal and not a god so that means we deny the trinity.

The Jews also reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity.

[BonjourNuit9]

Indeed Muslims are not the only ones who believe Jesus was a mortal,but you Muslims are the only ones who claims to praise Jesus,who claim you will fight the anti Christ without realizing you are the anti Christ

Only Jews ignorant of their Bible reject the trinity but it is in their own Bible as in Isaiah 9:6

Jesus is God the Creator/Father who came as God incarnate to reteach he is with all people on earth to guide them

But he will not force himself upon you

although He is true paradise

[BonjourNuit9]

Shadow speaking the truth is not an insult to Muhammad who to this second suffers greatly

I say Muh was a false prophet because of 2 facts:first God chose the second son of Abraham to carry as everlasting the covenant thus the prophetic line,second Muh claimed Jesus announced the coming of the Ahmad,and the Ahmad lives in all people to this day,and the Ahmad is the only one who speaks the God's truth because it is how God is with all people on earth

proving Muhammad was a false prophet

[CBALLEN]

The ELOHIM IS GOD.ELOHIM means more than 2 which in the context of what Christians believe is 3.So God is one Elohim in three persons,God the Father,God the Son,God the Holy Spirit.We are made in His image.We have a body,soul and intellect.Even though our soul and intellect leaves our body,we are still one person.

[CBALLEN]

The prophet Mohammad was under Satan's control,he taught contrary to the TRUE word of God from the beginning of the Koran until the end,he brought a damning gospel to all Muslims.All MUSLIMS have to hinge their after life on is THE WORD OF ONE WHO IS PROVABLY DELUDED.Just like Muhammad,YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GUARANTEE OF HEAVEN,and believe me he's not there.

[vvernando]

yes you need to watch the video again lol

[BonjourNuit3]

If Naik uses Science as a tool to determine if the trinity is real or not than what Naik is saying is science can prove or disprove the existence of God which it can't, Jesus is God,He is the Trinity or Creator who came into humanform to teach he is with all people on earth.

As no prophet was to come after Jesus,only Islam and Muhammad is blasphemous

[BonjourNuit3]

Muslims will resort to everything they can to support their deceptions.They are so funny to think atheist science would support Islam. The concept of the trinity is simple: Jesus is the trinity for he is God.

[knightridercupid]

u need to watch the video again..lol..

[BonjourNuit3]

knightridercupid I saw the video again,and Jesus did teach the Trinity which is Himself in MT 28:18,and like water,can take 3 forms and be water, God who is all there is and can come as a man.

Jesus said in luke 24:He was Not a Ghost,he didn't say he wasn't a spirit, but he rose from the dead and he had a body.Did Muh ever see it,did Naik ever see a spirit,no Only Islam is blasphemous because no prophet was to come after Jesus

[Felipe19]

If God died, who answered the prayers? Or was there another God? Did he revive Himself or was there another God? And was the whole entitity left without a Sustainer? And were the heavens vacated?

Exhalted is He! The Almighty.

If you say Jesus is God, he was a baby. He ate, drank and did the basic things humans do. Then tell me even when Jesus (pbuh) was a child ,did he also answer the prayers of people? Did he call the angels to do their tasks or another God?

There is only one God.

[BonjourNuit3]

Felipe God took on a humanform like we do,because he said he would come to die on the cross to which he did.

The body dies and returns to the dust but God did not die and this teaches us who we really are does not die either.

God is Spirit and we are too,there is only one true God,there is no one else but God.

We are part of God and we already live for eternity with God

God came into humanform to re-teach what Abraham knew,which is God alone is with all people to guide them

[stranger2008]

This man know is "STUFFS"!!!

[gulsbyjag]

I swear there is only NO god and ALL of his prophets ARE false. I can prove it, I have a BOOK (actually several books) that says so!!!!!

[yamazz3]

Okay, show me your proof...

[rudeboywaz]

did you know that the arlest. knowlge of hinduism. . was affter the muslims whent into india. . and if you say its been with ous fro 1000000 years . . then why are the hindus only in india

[me2super]

Einstein proved that space, time, and manifest + unmanifest fields *cannot exist separately*, but are always magnificently intertwined in their operation. This is exactly in line with Vedanta's concept of Brahman of the inseparable God & God's creation. Per Koran, God & God's creation are *separate & exclusive* which is impossible per Einstein's theory.

Not Koran's, but Hindu cosmology is accepted as the only valid theology by scientists: Carl Sagan, Roger Bertschausen, Steven Hawking, etc.

[SUTIKNORJ]

3-1-3-1-3-1,,,,,,still 3-1 nothing be 0 or oohhhhhhhhhh nothing

[jeestto]

Waaw this guy is amazing second to Ahmed deedad..very intelegent guy...