Just like Bruce Lee(Kato) VS Burt Ward(Robin), every gundam or mobile pilot in the game ends up with a stand still so fans on both sides wouldn't get upset. Though Domon never really used his hyper mode on any of them except Musha gundam which he destroyed.
Now, ill admit Domon has a FAR supirior Gundam, ALMOST any gundam is better then a Zaku, BUT Char is a dodgy little f***, so Domon would have a hard time LANDING his finishing attacks, all the time Char is doing small bits of damage.
If it came down to a small time, Char would win, but if it was a long time, Domon would beat him.
God Gundam vs Zaku II Char this is too sadning God Gundam of course i mean its to obvious plus Domon has Hyper mode working for him to this really to obvious its deppressing
I can understand making a Char custom mobile suit be a slight epic match for the Burning Gundam. But they should've gone with the Gelgoog or the Hyaku Shiki, not the shitty Zaku!
@UnnamedSeeker Your basing his age off release dates, when they're from different universes. As far as i know they're the same age in that video. Char's just a kickass pilot :P
I have only watched G Gundam, so I apologize straight off for any bias here. But come on, let's get serious. Domon is the type of fighter who increases his abilities on the fly.
Not to mention the various abilities the Burning Gundam has.
Not just the Burning Finger, but the Burning Shadow(if they even allow for that, though with this game I somehow doubt it), The Sekyha Tenkyoken, Burning Sekyha Tenkyoken and numerous others that it seems impossible for him to lose.
As good as Char is, I have to admit that the Burning Finger should have at least broken his ax. Maybe a Gelgoog's blade, or the Hyaku Shiki's knives could get away with that, but not a Zaku's ax.
@markangelo533 That's no Gundam he's using, it's a Zaku. While I don't doubt he's made plenty of upgrades to its speed and endurance, those are still Zaku weapons. The RX-78's bare hands could break those apart with little effort, much less a Burning Finger. It's like sending a cardboard shield against a tempered steel battle-ax. You're just asking for pain.
this game dosent make sence god gundam would fuck up char zaku 2 (even how epic it is) and the god gundam is smaller than it 2. this game is complete ass that koie and bandai fans of both epic gundam and button mashing dynasty warrior. this is what we call a moneymaker game were little effert is put in a recycle gameplay is use graphic of a bad ps2 game(hence why the ps2 version has extra worthless bull). only ball lickers play these ass games tools
Nu Gundam vs Wing Zero would be an epic fight, right? psycho frame vs zero system, more specifically a machine that enhances a new types natural ability and takes them over the limit and a machine that gives the pilot all battle date predicting battle out comes and possible threats
Man... What the hell... Stop arguing about 00 Gundams or who is the best or whatever! This is only a freaking game! And it happens to have CHAR in it, yet you discuss about Kira, Setsuna, or anything else BUT the Red Comet and Domon.
domon is in the almighty burning Gundam, a mobile suit that took on the Devil Gundam, supposedly one of the most powerful gundams ever, char is in a painted red Zaku II, Domon doesn't stand a chance
@mattmanganon Turn A and Wing Zero can take down the Devil Gundam easily. Though the Turn A would have a tougher time considering there's an inexperienced, cross-dressing wuss in the cockpit.
@ryumancer when u method wing zero can take down devil gundam than your really wrong devil gundam will just absorb the nuclear beam of wing zero and turn it into his own power source if you did not watch g gundam then i dont blame you for that
@KohChian1 PART I-- I watched both G Gundam and Gundam Wing and I think YOU are wrong. The Dark Gundam can't absorb energy of that magnitude. If it could then Domon and Rain's final attack wouldn't have worked. Not to mention Domon's attack against it beforehand wouldn't have worked either. If Wing Zero attacked a non-vital area, then maybe the Dark Gundam could've absorbed it. But if Wing Zero were to aim at the core, like I'm CERTAIN it would, the Dark Gundam would lose. Sure it MIGHT--
@KohChian1 PART II-- regenerate from it but not before Wing Zero would finish it off with another Buster Rifle blast. And if the Dark Gundam STILL lives from it. Heero would just have Wing Zero use the rest of his Buster Rifle's energy and split the rifle into halves and obliterate the entire area until there is nothing left of it.
@ryumancer fine i might go with you about that but don't ever ever forget one thing in devil gundam power don't u ever LEAVE A SINGLE CELLS OF HIM NOT EVEN HIS DNA IN SPACE OF ELSE HE WILL COME BACK ALIVE AND MORE POWERFUL AND WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TO GET HIT BY WING GUNDAMS BUSTER RIFLE ANY MORE AND WILL TOTAL ABSORB IT FOR SURE if you don't believe go look at wiki they stated it already but i don't really want to fight over with this just say as a G gundam fan :D
@mattmanganon I know its a bit late to reply.. but Char's Zaku II is using a special motor (according to rumour) which acutally makes it 3x faster (I know it begs the question why Zeon didnt mass produce that motor) there a fan fun fact for you.
All Zaku II S (Commander in Short) utilized advanced Engines that were far more costly, and hence like anything extra costly, were used mostly for Ace pilots. In reality it was 1.5x faster according to the movie, but most stick to the anime version which claims it's 3x.
@KatomaMundara Actually it's said to be 1.2-1.3x faster but Char earned the infamous fame in an early battle by boosting off of various pieces of battleships, achieving higher speed and more efficient fuel use. Yeah even in the UC era red=3x speed was a in-universe myth that ascended in other mediums.
@ZSwierczynski I know it's the Red Comet, but that's God Gundam, man. A Super Robot, one of the few in the Gundam universe. I seriously doubt a Zaku would be able to beat it, no matter what the skill of the pilot was.
The Zaku is using a heat attack. God Gundam's attack ALSO is a heat one. So... Yeah. Also, let's not forget that this is a game, and giving the anime "powers" would be so fucked up, imagine Kira Yamato, for example. Just be satisfacted that they didn't give God Gundam and Domon the right power, otherwise they would do the same with others, and it would be too cheap plus we would hate the game.
Situational awareness is part of the TECHNOLOGICAL performance of Mobile suit? >.>
I think you're really confused here, you're factoring the pilot's performance ALONG with the tech specs of a mobile suit, and you can't really get a specific explanation from that, it's ambiguous.
@portablemp5 Perfect example was when Amaro was piloting the Gundam WAY over its limits and it coudn't keep up anymore, so Amaro was having problems until its upgrade.
Actually that's more of a fault of the RX-78-2 not having a Movable frame, heck we get to see Kamille do more crazier stunts than Amuro in the Mk2 and Zeta.
@Missmecha That's my point. I didn't think about the movable frame, but now that I think about it, I do agree. And yes, Kamille usually did crazier stunts, but its also a part of her character. Amuro is very linear if you notice.
Well, the Gundam's limitations being known was a definite plot point in MSG, but we've seen pilots surpassing their Mobile suits, which doesn't really make it all that hyped.
Zechs is an example, when he first piloted Tallgeese(which has a Movable frame+), it almost killed him, but after some episodes, he complains that Tallgeese is "being sluggish", Zechs was reacting too fast for the Tallgeese to keep up.
@Missmecha This is random, but heres a thought I had. The Zero system basicly feeds info, but it effects a person's mind, making them become very emotional and unstable if your not strong of mind. I wonder if the Newtype ability would actually be a negative for them.
Actually, one of the ZERO system functions basically removes emotion and doubt, that would explain why Epyon shows Relena's death so that Heero would concentrate more on fighting. And another is Wing Zero showing Hilde's death which pretty much made Duo stop hesitate using the Twin Buster Rifle.
Yeah, it definitely would affect a Newtype negatively. What you need to control the ZERO system is full control of your emotions and strong willpower.
You know what, im sorry. My mind was on G gundam and I was thinking about ...I forgot her name, the one that pilots that sailor looking gundam. Its been several years since I've seen G Gundam
I was referring to his character in game. It seems all the lead roles have the characters beginning in a pitiful caricature of their anime selves, and have to learn some kind of lesson to reach the enlightenment they experienced by the end of their respective series. With out the Kyoji story line, they turned Domon in to a blood thirsty brute who's always angry and always wants to fight, fight, fight. His AI isnt that great either compared to Asia's.
Char is pretty impressive given the difference in controls in the cockpits are completely in Domon's favor for being able to see and react easier yet Char manages to stay on par with him.
That is the most powerful plot sheild ever. Really, if that was the Sabazi sure but that Zaku surviving both Domon and Heero's sniping? Even for a obvious crossover story that's not believeable. xD
um... >__> its by now that I wonder if people realize that a heathawk is still a superheated, sharp tomahawk...thats crashing into another machine's hand(albeit thats also superheated). The one with the brunt of the damage there should be the hand =\. Lol @ folks who highly underestimate the power of a Zaku
This is no normal Zaku, boy! Its true that the burning finger did well to destroy other mobile suits and what not in the series, but I don't ever recall Domon using it to block saber attacks or other high energy profile attacks, so its not too surprising that the heat hawk is able to withstand it.
I've always felt Virtue gundam in 00 was a better display of the strengths and weaknesses of the generic big beam gundam. It's tactical uses outside of fire support are limited, leaving it highly vulnerable to more general purpose mechs once they get in range.
Wing Zero really is over rated, especially with how versatile the other gundams are in the show that are forced to stand in its shadow.
and the pilots of gundam wing are just trigger happy especially treize, heero
i would agree with you there ... it just wing fanboys are just neg repping you because wing is seriously overrated and look at the amount of battle scenes used over and over again... comon you cant argue with that....
you can look at most of the gundam series and say wing is better than less than 2/3 of all the other series
Ah it happens.. A lot actually. They never like anyone saying that Wing Zero isnt the absolute best gundam out there. That it isnt the fastest, or strongest, or the -est in anything. If they can't just accept the wing zero as it is and enjoy it for that, then I dread to think of how they handle reality when things dont go the way they wanted or thought it would.
I do want to point out that the only UC Gundam that can beat Wing Zero is V2 AB(And possibly F97).
And other Universe Gundams like Master, Burning(Maybe All G-Gundams), Turn A, X, Hydra, Trans-Am Raiser, Reborns, and probably all Trans-Am Gundam(including the new ones). Really, a Gundam that can predict every possible outcome of a WHOLE battle is pretty hard to beat.
because th deus ex machina god mode of things like the bio computer and psyco frames don't do anything even remotely as impressive as the wing zero right? I never understood the hoopla of wing zero's prediction ability when newtypes see what WILL happen as opposed to all that can happen. Ultimately, even a Leo stood up to a gundam in GW and EW fairly well with a decent pilot at the reigns. There's no reason to assume anything from GM's up couldnt beat WZ. Its the pilot.
I was pretty sure Amuro said that he couldn't see the future during the final battle in A Baoa Qu. Plus we've seen Amuro get caught off guard by the Black tri Stars as well as Quattro against Haman, heck during the final battle in A Baoa Qu, we were shown that after having a Newtype flash Char couldn't even dodge Amuro's counter.
Plus that doesn't really change the fact that the ZERO is precise in it's prediction, Trant(a grunt in Wing Zero) justifies this by saying that he saw the wholefuture-
A newtype sees what their opponent is going to do. They dont actually see the future, they just read the enemy's mind, foreseeing what is going to happen. They can block each other from doing this, which is why they often complain about outside forces and pressure messing with their senses. Milliardo also took on the vastly superior wing in a leo and did pretty damn well. Its NOT the mobile suit but the pilot. Wing Zero's ability to see all futures isnt what makes it great, it's the (cont)
If newtypes could actually see the future then they shouldn't be caught off guard, which actually defeats the purpose of seeing the future and knowing your opponents every move, heck, the series contradicts the"Newtypes can see the future" argument.
Amuro during the his battle w/ the Black Tri-Stars, he was almost killed if not for the female captain saving him, of course you can't really argue w/ that considering Amuro was surprised.
Newtypes don't really "see the future," though. At least from what's been established with the franchise. Amuro himself said during the final battle of A Baua Qu that he cannot see the future, even as a Newtype. If they could, fighting could be avoided completely.
Its been established is that Newtypes have a greater empathy with others and an enhanced way of "reading" someone's "feelings" and "impulses." Amuro Ray, for example, isn't predicting where someone will shoot when he gets a Newtype Flash, but what their general intent is. After all, it doesn't matter where someone is shooting so long as you're not where they finally shoot.
A newtype doesn't see what their opponent is going to do, and don't read peoples' minds(unless they're NT, like Kamille and Judau's connection).
What Newtypes do, is 'feel' the enemies' general intent, that's why Newtypes know when an attack is coming before an attack is even initiated(Of course, this happens only when a Newtype Flash occurs).
There's also a problem of reaction speed like Char during A Baoa Qu, he had a NT flash, but he was unable to dodge Amuro's attack, but he did a counter.
pilot's ability to handle the input and correctly determine the most likely future and work on that information that makes it dangerous. The mech isnt that fast, durable, or particularly well armed, its the gundam version of a rail road cannon. Also by Zeta all grunt MS are superior to everything grunt related in GW. By ZZ the mass produced neo zeon MS are on par with the virtually unbeatable mobile dolls and would give the gundams a run for their money.
If it was the pilot's ability to have great reflexes when using ZERO, then how could you explain Trant, an insignificant technical officer, acquire a reaction time of near-zero which was compared to a Mobile Doll?
Really, according to Trant in episode 32 when he was testing Zero, he said that by increasing the Brainwave levels of the pilot, ZERO increases the pilot's combat capabilities and to the point of pushing the pilot beyond his limits.
There's also a description covered by the Narrator in the series about ZERO:
"ZERO System. A cockpit system that quickly calculates battle data and feeds the large amounts of stats on estimated values directly back to the pilot. But this system also drives a pilot to his limits. To the extent that he won't even fear his own death. Thus helping him gain absolute victory."
The Narrator states the same thing in different dubs.
I never said the zero system was crap. I'm just saying that there's already a number of pilots who have the ability to know what their enemy is going to do. Some even have the ability to passively recieve the incoming thoughts and intents of others. There's also systems which enhance the pilot in other series as well, such the Psyco's battle computer, the Blue Destiny, and Psyco frames. That and the zero system still requires a very good pilot to be able to properly use it.
Newtypes can only get a brief intent of what their opponent is going to do ONLY when a NT Flash occurs, that happens often but not always. that's why NTs' still get caught off guard during battle.
And the ZERO system makes a tactical prediction of the WHOLE BATTLE, not just a single moment but the whole battle, it wouldn't leave openings for the enemies to use. Trant(grunt in Zero) exclaimed that he knew Duo's every move he was going to make and Trant precisely dodged them all.
The ability to predict every possible outcome during the whole battle is just one of ZERO's functions. Trant is JUST a technician, and he couldn't really have a reaction speed comparable to a MD even if he sees the future, and by amplifying the Brainwave levels of the pilot, it increases the combat capabilities of Trant to the point that he is reacting like a super soldier.
Also ZERO is a man-machine interface that allows the suit to become an extension of the pilot's thoughts and movements.
This still doesnt make it the best gundam ever. I've already cited several mechs with this ability, and gundams with systems vastly superior to the Zero system to the point that you can clearly see the writers getting lazy on some long cold night of working. You can defend it all you want, but I never said it was bad, I just said its not the best, and GW fan boys are always quick to whine when I bring it up. You're proving my point.
I never said it's the best Gundam ever, I even gave you a list of which Gundam is actually better than Wing Zero, it's not my fault you didn't read my FIRST post.
The Psycoframe can increase the reaction speed of a pilot, ZERO can do that too and it also pushes the pilot beyond his limits. psycoframe allows an NT pilot to control the suit w/ it's mind alone, ZERO being a man-machine interface, can also do that too. the only thing ZERO can't do is use the Will of Humanity as hax.
psycoframes allow the pilot to do virtually anything his heart desires with enough will power.
I'm not arguing which is better, although the deus ex machina nature of frames isnt something anyone can really argue against. I stated that other systems exist which do the same things zero system does. I read your post. You just keep trying to make Wing Zero out to be a god among gundams, when it's maybe third tier, second at best.
It took Amuro and Char's final confrontation to generate the energy to push it back. There were a dozen or so grunts there, tops. Psycoframes are sensitive enough to work off of this. Considering in the past newtypes do things like STOP BEAM ATTACKS WITH THEIR MIND (a particular fight with a Zaku 3 comes to mind), its not surprising to see psyco frames actively read and manifest the desires of anyone near them.
EXAM =P uses a newtype ghost to see the enemy's next move.
Cockpits are coated in psycoframes. They're tiny receivers more or less. There was a hell of a lot more than 2. Char asked if this is the will of humanity. The actual act of pushing back Axis didnt occur until the end of their conversation.
Glemy did it. Took several hits from Doven Wolves and basically turned their beams in to a pretty light show.
I know you know about EXAM, but you asked. Also all newtypes have the ability, rendering Zero un-unique in the gundam franchise.
the whole psycoframe statement..makes no sense. especially when compared with the "2 frames" statement. You only need one cockpit to get the effect.
and yeah, Glemy did it. I just watched the scene today and screamed "Why wont you die?!" at the screen..well.. in my head I did.
EXAM might be obsolete, since it got destroyed, but it still predicts enemy movements and relays them to the pilot, just like the zero system. Zero doesnt do any one thing best in Gundam. Its only good, not best.
What? ZERO can give near-zero reaction time, push the pilot beyond his LIMITS, and it can see the WHOLE OUTCOME of the battle. It's definitely different than the EXAM system as a whole. >.>
You forgot to mention that ZERO is also a man-machine interface that allows the suit to become an extension of the pilots thoughts and movements, like the Bio-Computer.
There's actually a flaw in Newtype precognition, the only time they can sense an attack coming is when a Newtype flash occurs, that's probably why newtypes like Amuro(during the battle of odessa) and Char traditionally get caught off guard(if NTs can sense every attack then this problem shouldn't exist).
There's also the problem of reaction speed like I said, During the battle of A Baoa Qu, Char had newtype flash but he was unable to avoid Amuro's attack(which destroyed Zeong's whole body).
You're just repeating yourself, or just didn't care to read our post. We already proved that newtypes don't see the future, they can only feel the general intent of an enemy attack ONLY WHEN A NEWTYPE FLASH OCCURS. That's why newtypes still get caught off guard during battle.
the ZERO System on one hand, takes into account EVERY POSSIBLE OUTCOME of the WHOLE BATTLE to the point that it can see the future, it wouldn't leave any openings.
@Missmecha I haven't read all the posts, so I don't know if its been talked about, but the Psycommu system advanced to a point like the Zero system, only not on as broad a level.
...Zero system if I recall was a specail computer over AI to assist in non newtype users to new type performance levels God Gundams system is based on the users potent abilites DOmon is NOT a newtype (a phycic) he is a strong person with fighter capabilites and has a easier controlled cockpit to the WIng gundam so bolth combatants prob get eachother good BUT DOmon has habits in his combat wich the ZERO system would learn pick up and annilate... ZERO system = really awsume for predictions
@portablemp5 Didn't say Zero System was a Newtype it's just able to predict habits and actions while Domons Mecha is based upon his personal skills if the ZERO system "Reads and predicts moves" that means Domons habits are neutralized and he has to fight more unpredictably ZERO system is a real pain to deal with
There's more to Zero than just predicting moves, it predict the best way to achieve total victory, so it can predict way more than just moves. But that's irrelevant, Domon without his Gundam can punt buildings with his bare hands, not to mention that God Gundam's stats is way off the charts compared to "realistic" Gundams. God Gundam has too much brute strength and speed that there's no way that Wing Zero or any other Gundam sans Turn A or 00Quant can compete.
You're talking about the Psyco-control chair of Psyco Gundam? If I remember the whole gigantic Gundam was supposed to be controlled by the Cyber-NT by her mind alone w/ the help of the system.
The EXAM system was pretty much obsolete, considering that using an actual NT to BE the system made it rampage.
Psychoframe is actually the most versatile in your list, it allows the MS to be controlled by it's mind alone, it also increases reaction speed, and can use psychic energy as an extra battery.
All the systems I mentioned are utilized to enhance the piloting capability of who ever is in it. The draw back of the Psyco Gundams is that they enhance the person in to a killer which cant be stopped. Even if they wanted to, they become a murderous soldier who destroys everything. Its why Four and Rosamie couldnt be stopped with words. Look at the point I'm making.
All those systems were only for Newtypes, those aren't really useful for Oldtypes, heck the EXAM system is even dangerous for an Oldtype. Cyber-Newtypes are obviously mentally unstable.
It doesnt matter. They still do it. Some built in systems make the pilot superior to anything the Zero system could do. All it'd be able to predict is impending loss, and maybe a way for the pilot to weasel out of the situation and survive. There'd be no hope of victory against some of the deus ex machina systems out there. My point was the Wing Zero isnt the best gundam around, and fanboys whine when the point is made.
WHo hear thinks that Char would be a top contender if he was in The Gundam Fight?
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UCGO5996 2 months ago
dude, domon's shining/burning finger would have ripped right through that axe
MegaSlayTalliThrax 4 months ago
char doesnt even know domon
Yurihyuga766 6 months ago
Just like Bruce Lee(Kato) VS Burt Ward(Robin), every gundam or mobile pilot in the game ends up with a stand still so fans on both sides wouldn't get upset. Though Domon never really used his hyper mode on any of them except Musha gundam which he destroyed.
kenjiharimaCU 6 months ago
It's not the God Gundam for nothing.
RikiOhRed 8 months ago
Sazabi vs Burning Gundam aka God Gundam, That would be interesting
Phenomenalhardy 9 months ago
@Phenomenalhardy You make a good point. I personally vote Sazabi.
MobianShoopIndustry 9 months ago
Now, ill admit Domon has a FAR supirior Gundam, ALMOST any gundam is better then a Zaku, BUT Char is a dodgy little f***, so Domon would have a hard time LANDING his finishing attacks, all the time Char is doing small bits of damage.
If it came down to a small time, Char would win, but if it was a long time, Domon would beat him.
supersaninpikachu 10 months ago
God Gundam vs Zaku II Char this is too sadning God Gundam of course i mean its to obvious plus Domon has Hyper mode working for him to this really to obvious its deppressing
DICEBOY22 10 months ago
Those old style Gundams are no match for the Burning Gundam's mobile trace unit.
EndreVanan 11 months ago
@EndreVanan Char is piloting a Zaku II, not a gundam.
supersaninpikachu 10 months ago
@supersaninpikachu I was using Gundam as a general term for Mobile Suit.
EndreVanan 10 months ago
I can understand making a Char custom mobile suit be a slight epic match for the Burning Gundam. But they should've gone with the Gelgoog or the Hyaku Shiki, not the shitty Zaku!
ryumancer 11 months ago
why is char so beast.... especially when hes in a zaku?!?!
dynastyflygon 1 year ago
@dynastyflygon
It's a game, so it's not official.
portablemp5 1 year ago
@dynastyflygon
Because he used his red Zaku II to kick gundams way before Domon was even concieved.
UnnamedSeeker 1 year ago
@UnnamedSeeker Your basing his age off release dates, when they're from different universes. As far as i know they're the same age in that video. Char's just a kickass pilot :P
SupaHypaMode 1 year ago
I go for the one with the indomitable will over the one experienced in battle.
joachimarmster1 1 year ago
Char is going to take on God Gundam in simple Zaku. That shows how much badass Char is.
KazeKoichi 1 year ago
clearly the result of the saying
''IT NOT THE MOBILE SUIT THAT MATTERS BUT THE PILOT''
vxvtaurovxv 1 year ago
@vxvtaurovxv but both pilots are awesome!
ShiraYuki619 1 year ago
ahem...
Super Robots win out over Real Robots, and the God Gundam is a Super Robot in Gundam's clothing...
BUT!
this is a game based on a cartoon. sooooo...i guess it could happen
theGuyver0 1 year ago
@theGuyver0 -- anime
ShiraYuki619 1 year ago
wish they make a movie just like this:) 3D!!
bayandsl 1 year ago
@bayandsl -.- if u seen g - saviour u would doubt that
sujin99999 1 year ago
@sujin99999 nope ive havent
bayandsl 1 year ago
@bayandsl well then NEVER WATCH THAT PIECE OF SHIT its 3d but it sucks so much ass it will make your eyes bleed
sujin99999 1 year ago
I have only watched G Gundam, so I apologize straight off for any bias here. But come on, let's get serious. Domon is the type of fighter who increases his abilities on the fly.
Not to mention the various abilities the Burning Gundam has.
Not just the Burning Finger, but the Burning Shadow(if they even allow for that, though with this game I somehow doubt it), The Sekyha Tenkyoken, Burning Sekyha Tenkyoken and numerous others that it seems impossible for him to lose.
GojyotheFeared 1 year ago
As good as Char is, I have to admit that the Burning Finger should have at least broken his ax. Maybe a Gelgoog's blade, or the Hyaku Shiki's knives could get away with that, but not a Zaku's ax.
BlueDemonofFire 1 year ago
@BlueDemonofFire Char's gundams are wayyy upgraded than it's predecessors, that's why it won't break easily :)
markangelo533 1 year ago
@markangelo533 That's no Gundam he's using, it's a Zaku. While I don't doubt he's made plenty of upgrades to its speed and endurance, those are still Zaku weapons. The RX-78's bare hands could break those apart with little effort, much less a Burning Finger. It's like sending a cardboard shield against a tempered steel battle-ax. You're just asking for pain.
BlueDemonofFire 1 year ago
this game dosent make sence god gundam would fuck up char zaku 2 (even how epic it is) and the god gundam is smaller than it 2. this game is complete ass that koie and bandai fans of both epic gundam and button mashing dynasty warrior. this is what we call a moneymaker game were little effert is put in a recycle gameplay is use graphic of a bad ps2 game(hence why the ps2 version has extra worthless bull). only ball lickers play these ass games tools
negima47 1 year ago
....fanboy fight!
sithmaster4305 1 year ago
Look at domon dance around all awesomelike.
FMLRarshnarg 1 year ago
Like I said before. Let's see Char block that in God Gundam's Hyper Mode.
tifahentai 1 year ago
@tifahentai
char would dodge it, and slice G gundam's cockpit right open, because u cant hit char unless he allows himself to be hit
-- char custom (the red paint makes everything fasssssssst)
kevinlei92 1 year ago
@kevinlei92
Hyper Mode also increases the the overall ability of Ggundam. Domon would and can easily overcome any odds with that.
tifahentai 1 year ago
@tifahentai
rofl @ ur name
but seriously, char would win
kevinlei92 1 year ago
@kevinlei92
I get that alot.
But as a G-gundam fan Iam with Domon.
tifahentai 1 year ago
@tifahentai
i think we agrees that both the G gundam and any of char's MS can beat the crap out of seed and destiny junks .___.
kevinlei92 1 year ago
@kevinlei92
That we can definitely agree with.
tifahentai 1 year ago
POOR CHAR HE WILL GET RAPED BY DOMON
left4deadian 1 year ago
@left4deadian unless he were played by me id kick domons butt as char even with a dumb as hell zakutank
ellnats 1 year ago
Nu Gundam vs Wing Zero would be an epic fight, right? psycho frame vs zero system, more specifically a machine that enhances a new types natural ability and takes them over the limit and a machine that gives the pilot all battle date predicting battle out comes and possible threats
tramsformers 1 year ago
@tramsformers Kira appears and easily disables everyone.
cren3856 1 year ago
@cren3856
only to be disabled by a 08MS-ball
kevinlei92 1 year ago
@kevinlei92 What kind of crazy dream world do you live in?
cren3856 1 year ago
Man... What the hell... Stop arguing about 00 Gundams or who is the best or whatever! This is only a freaking game! And it happens to have CHAR in it, yet you discuss about Kira, Setsuna, or anything else BUT the Red Comet and Domon.
TheOrkutGuy 1 year ago
@TheOrkutGuy I hear ya man, screw those guys in gundam seed and double o. The King of Hearts and The Red Comet for the winXD
KaolinC 1 year ago
Shining Finger vs Red Comet Kick!
crazy4sian 1 year ago
domon is in the almighty burning Gundam, a mobile suit that took on the Devil Gundam, supposedly one of the most powerful gundams ever, char is in a painted red Zaku II, Domon doesn't stand a chance
mattmanganon 1 year ago 86
@mattmanganon It's not the weapon it's how you use it
a master with a stone can beat an amateur with a sword
ryakoasakora 1 year ago
@mattmanganon Two of the best Punchers and Kickers in Gundam
masterkent1 1 year ago
@mattmanganon lol one of the most funniest comments I've read, ever! :))
unwanted22 1 year ago
@mattmanganon LOOOOOL
sujin99999 1 year ago
@mattmanganon LOL, I LOL'd for real after reading your comment
Char's in a painted red Zaku, Domon doesn't stand a chance xD
kilo4b 1 year ago
@mattmanganon Turn A and Wing Zero can take down the Devil Gundam easily. Though the Turn A would have a tougher time considering there's an inexperienced, cross-dressing wuss in the cockpit.
ryumancer 11 months ago
@ryumancer I agree with the Wing ZERO part,but not Turn A
SatenRuiiko 11 months ago
@ryumancer when u method wing zero can take down devil gundam than your really wrong devil gundam will just absorb the nuclear beam of wing zero and turn it into his own power source if you did not watch g gundam then i dont blame you for that
KohChian1 10 months ago
@KohChian1 PART I-- I watched both G Gundam and Gundam Wing and I think YOU are wrong. The Dark Gundam can't absorb energy of that magnitude. If it could then Domon and Rain's final attack wouldn't have worked. Not to mention Domon's attack against it beforehand wouldn't have worked either. If Wing Zero attacked a non-vital area, then maybe the Dark Gundam could've absorbed it. But if Wing Zero were to aim at the core, like I'm CERTAIN it would, the Dark Gundam would lose. Sure it MIGHT--
ryumancer 10 months ago
@KohChian1 PART II-- regenerate from it but not before Wing Zero would finish it off with another Buster Rifle blast. And if the Dark Gundam STILL lives from it. Heero would just have Wing Zero use the rest of his Buster Rifle's energy and split the rifle into halves and obliterate the entire area until there is nothing left of it.
ryumancer 10 months ago
@ryumancer fine i might go with you about that but don't ever ever forget one thing in devil gundam power don't u ever LEAVE A SINGLE CELLS OF HIM NOT EVEN HIS DNA IN SPACE OF ELSE HE WILL COME BACK ALIVE AND MORE POWERFUL AND WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TO GET HIT BY WING GUNDAMS BUSTER RIFLE ANY MORE AND WILL TOTAL ABSORB IT FOR SURE if you don't believe go look at wiki they stated it already but i don't really want to fight over with this just say as a G gundam fan :D
Peace !
KohChian1 10 months ago
@mattmanganon You forgot the horn, THE HORN IS THE MOST BADASS PART OF CHAR'S 20% FASTER ZAKU!!!
supersaninpikachu 10 months ago
@mattmanganon
I haven't laughed this hard at sarcasm in a long time
ConkerfanX 9 months ago
@mattmanganon I know its a bit late to reply.. but Char's Zaku II is using a special motor (according to rumour) which acutally makes it 3x faster (I know it begs the question why Zeon didnt mass produce that motor) there a fan fun fact for you.
joarng 9 months ago
@joarng
All Zaku II S (Commander in Short) utilized advanced Engines that were far more costly, and hence like anything extra costly, were used mostly for Ace pilots. In reality it was 1.5x faster according to the movie, but most stick to the anime version which claims it's 3x.
KatomaMundara 8 months ago
@KatomaMundara Actually it's said to be 1.2-1.3x faster but Char earned the infamous fame in an early battle by boosting off of various pieces of battleships, achieving higher speed and more efficient fuel use. Yeah even in the UC era red=3x speed was a in-universe myth that ascended in other mediums.
ReiKusanagi 3 months ago
@ReiKusanagi
1.5x faster actually.
And I knew about all of that.
The 3x thing was from the TV only version, movie version was different.
KatomaMundara 3 months ago
@mattmanganon you mean the almighty god gundam.
1peterkim123 7 months ago
@mattmanganon well to be fair, they had to seriously nerf God Gundam for it to participate in this game otherwise it would have been a stompfest.
Rilurio 6 months ago
There's no way in Hell a Zaku, no matter who was piloting it, could stand up to the God Gundam... There's just no way...
ComedicShinigami 1 year ago
@ComedicShinigami
Well Char is piloting the Zaku. ITS THE RED COMET!
ZSwierczynski 1 year ago
@ZSwierczynski I know it's the Red Comet, but that's God Gundam, man. A Super Robot, one of the few in the Gundam universe. I seriously doubt a Zaku would be able to beat it, no matter what the skill of the pilot was.
ComedicShinigami 1 year ago
@ComedicShinigami Let me put this straight...
The Zaku is using a heat attack. God Gundam's attack ALSO is a heat one. So... Yeah. Also, let's not forget that this is a game, and giving the anime "powers" would be so fucked up, imagine Kira Yamato, for example. Just be satisfacted that they didn't give God Gundam and Domon the right power, otherwise they would do the same with others, and it would be too cheap plus we would hate the game.
TheOrkutGuy 1 year ago
My 2 favorite characters in the Gundam series and I don't know what they are saying
Could somebody translate
Gojirafan101 1 year ago
is there a free play mode in this game cuz i wanna get it but idk if there is
Codemaster238 1 year ago
Oh man gotta love that Zaku Shoulder Charge!!
boypirata1990 1 year ago
Situational awareness is part of the TECHNOLOGICAL performance of Mobile suit? >.>
I think you're really confused here, you're factoring the pilot's performance ALONG with the tech specs of a mobile suit, and you can't really get a specific explanation from that, it's ambiguous.
portablemp5 2 years ago
@portablemp5 Perfect example was when Amaro was piloting the Gundam WAY over its limits and it coudn't keep up anymore, so Amaro was having problems until its upgrade.
TSEpictures 2 years ago
Actually that's more of a fault of the RX-78-2 not having a Movable frame, heck we get to see Kamille do more crazier stunts than Amuro in the Mk2 and Zeta.
Missmecha 2 years ago 2
@Missmecha That's my point. I didn't think about the movable frame, but now that I think about it, I do agree. And yes, Kamille usually did crazier stunts, but its also a part of her character. Amuro is very linear if you notice.
TSEpictures 2 years ago
Well, the Gundam's limitations being known was a definite plot point in MSG, but we've seen pilots surpassing their Mobile suits, which doesn't really make it all that hyped.
Zechs is an example, when he first piloted Tallgeese(which has a Movable frame+), it almost killed him, but after some episodes, he complains that Tallgeese is "being sluggish", Zechs was reacting too fast for the Tallgeese to keep up.
Missmecha 2 years ago 2
@Missmecha This is random, but heres a thought I had. The Zero system basicly feeds info, but it effects a person's mind, making them become very emotional and unstable if your not strong of mind. I wonder if the Newtype ability would actually be a negative for them.
TSEpictures 2 years ago
Actually, one of the ZERO system functions basically removes emotion and doubt, that would explain why Epyon shows Relena's death so that Heero would concentrate more on fighting. And another is Wing Zero showing Hilde's death which pretty much made Duo stop hesitate using the Twin Buster Rifle.
Yeah, it definitely would affect a Newtype negatively. What you need to control the ZERO system is full control of your emotions and strong willpower.
Missmecha 2 years ago
@TSEpictures
exactly......wait her?
kammiles a guy
omegashinobi 1 year ago
You know what, im sorry. My mind was on G gundam and I was thinking about ...I forgot her name, the one that pilots that sailor looking gundam. Its been several years since I've seen G Gundam
TSEpictures 1 year ago
@TSEpictures
oh thats ok
if your wondering her names alenbee and her gundam is noble(nobel) gundam
omegashinobi 1 year ago
Domon eats Newtypes for Breakfast, but this is Char so Im not suprised at his preformance against Domon.
DrIvoRobotnick 2 years ago
Domon has been turned in to an insufferable psychopath who has much to learn in this game. Its Master Asia I always fear.
onigojira 2 years ago
Uhh... Didn't Domon beat Master Asia? Unless you're talking about in-game scenarios, I don't really follow.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
I was referring to his character in game. It seems all the lead roles have the characters beginning in a pitiful caricature of their anime selves, and have to learn some kind of lesson to reach the enlightenment they experienced by the end of their respective series. With out the Kyoji story line, they turned Domon in to a blood thirsty brute who's always angry and always wants to fight, fight, fight. His AI isnt that great either compared to Asia's.
onigojira 2 years ago
Obviously they painted the blade, and generator if that heat hawk red, making it 3 times hotter, sharper, and more durable
ZeonicL 2 years ago
Yaruna ... Gandamu!
Manukravitz 2 years ago 5
Char is pretty impressive given the difference in controls in the cockpits are completely in Domon's favor for being able to see and react easier yet Char manages to stay on par with him.
TekkaSage 2 years ago
Char is "pretty impressive"? He's the fuckin' RED COMET.
Arangutang 2 years ago 12
It doesn't who the fuk Char's fighting, Char in a red MS will always be 3x faster, 3x stronger, 3x more pain !!!
ThePizzadawg 2 years ago
Uh.. Char's Zaku is actually 30% faster, the 3X faster than a normal Zaku thing was retconned.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
heh, it was a joke, laugh, if you got a sense of humor
ThePizzadawg 2 years ago
Tch. God Gundam would win....WITH THE HELP OF KYOJI!
yoishida1 2 years ago 6
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Who is the true God of Gundams the turn A gundam or God Gundam?
Destinyfire0 2 years ago
Ya know I don't think they should use beam weapons in that show besides beam sabers because it seems to High tech for the past.
Narutofan2099 2 years ago
I'd love to see Sazabi vs God Gundam.
aikoarisaka420 2 years ago
yknow, I think what would happen at 0:20 would go a little something along the lines of the axe and Domon's hand fusing together.
Magbiy 2 years ago
Let's see Char block that when Domon's in Hyper Mode. :D
tifahentai 2 years ago 3
zaku II FTW!
RoketTM 2 years ago 2
man Domon sure gets a beating in this game. I dont see him making some real damage to anyone.
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Sure, other than him lifting Musou Gundam in the air and just making the bastard explode into nothingness.
HaelstromNet 2 years ago 10
lmao tbh if u think about it...G gundam suits are perfect for a "gundam musou"
rthdshtr 3 years ago 7
That is the most powerful plot sheild ever. Really, if that was the Sabazi sure but that Zaku surviving both Domon and Heero's sniping? Even for a obvious crossover story that's not believeable. xD
ArbalestEmerald 3 years ago
Well, the heat hawk surviving a God finger is farfetched, but avoiding the Wing Zero's shot is believable.
With the amount of time Heero wasted charging his rifles, any half decent pilot would have gotten the message that it was time to start evading.
AlteisenZeta 3 years ago 11
um... >__> its by now that I wonder if people realize that a heathawk is still a superheated, sharp tomahawk...thats crashing into another machine's hand(albeit thats also superheated). The one with the brunt of the damage there should be the hand =\. Lol @ folks who highly underestimate the power of a Zaku
Fuzion 3 years ago
Indeed, if anything, people overrate God Gundam. There's a reason Gym Gingaham didn't abuse the Turn X's Shining Finger...
KatomaMundara 3 years ago 3
This is no normal Zaku, boy! Its true that the burning finger did well to destroy other mobile suits and what not in the series, but I don't ever recall Domon using it to block saber attacks or other high energy profile attacks, so its not too surprising that the heat hawk is able to withstand it.
Cenkic 2 years ago 2
Not to mention it wont standd wing zero TBR
christlubas 2 years ago
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...Stop overrating that POS... please... Wing Zero was powerful, but in the end it doesn't compare to most of the Top Tier Gundams.
KatomaMundara 2 years ago
I've always felt Virtue gundam in 00 was a better display of the strengths and weaknesses of the generic big beam gundam. It's tactical uses outside of fire support are limited, leaving it highly vulnerable to more general purpose mechs once they get in range.
Wing Zero really is over rated, especially with how versatile the other gundams are in the show that are forced to stand in its shadow.
onigojira 2 years ago
its true wing gundam is overrated
where as all the enemy are noob cannon fodders
and the pilots of gundam wing are just trigger happy especially treize, heero
i would agree with you there ... it just wing fanboys are just neg repping you because wing is seriously overrated and look at the amount of battle scenes used over and over again... comon you cant argue with that....
you can look at most of the gundam series and say wing is better than less than 2/3 of all the other series
Ereos 2 years ago
actually i mean less than a 1/4 of all of the total gundam series
Ereos 2 years ago
Ah it happens.. A lot actually. They never like anyone saying that Wing Zero isnt the absolute best gundam out there. That it isnt the fastest, or strongest, or the -est in anything. If they can't just accept the wing zero as it is and enjoy it for that, then I dread to think of how they handle reality when things dont go the way they wanted or thought it would.
onigojira 2 years ago
I do want to point out that the only UC Gundam that can beat Wing Zero is V2 AB(And possibly F97).
And other Universe Gundams like Master, Burning(Maybe All G-Gundams), Turn A, X, Hydra, Trans-Am Raiser, Reborns, and probably all Trans-Am Gundam(including the new ones). Really, a Gundam that can predict every possible outcome of a WHOLE battle is pretty hard to beat.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
because th deus ex machina god mode of things like the bio computer and psyco frames don't do anything even remotely as impressive as the wing zero right? I never understood the hoopla of wing zero's prediction ability when newtypes see what WILL happen as opposed to all that can happen. Ultimately, even a Leo stood up to a gundam in GW and EW fairly well with a decent pilot at the reigns. There's no reason to assume anything from GM's up couldnt beat WZ. Its the pilot.
onigojira 2 years ago
I was pretty sure Amuro said that he couldn't see the future during the final battle in A Baoa Qu. Plus we've seen Amuro get caught off guard by the Black tri Stars as well as Quattro against Haman, heck during the final battle in A Baoa Qu, we were shown that after having a Newtype flash Char couldn't even dodge Amuro's counter.
Plus that doesn't really change the fact that the ZERO is precise in it's prediction, Trant(a grunt in Wing Zero) justifies this by saying that he saw the wholefuture-
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
A newtype sees what their opponent is going to do. They dont actually see the future, they just read the enemy's mind, foreseeing what is going to happen. They can block each other from doing this, which is why they often complain about outside forces and pressure messing with their senses. Milliardo also took on the vastly superior wing in a leo and did pretty damn well. Its NOT the mobile suit but the pilot. Wing Zero's ability to see all futures isnt what makes it great, it's the (cont)
onigojira 2 years ago
If newtypes could actually see the future then they shouldn't be caught off guard, which actually defeats the purpose of seeing the future and knowing your opponents every move, heck, the series contradicts the"Newtypes can see the future" argument.
Amuro during the his battle w/ the Black Tri-Stars, he was almost killed if not for the female captain saving him, of course you can't really argue w/ that considering Amuro was surprised.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
All Zechs did was put his Leo on a hold against Wing and let it fall on the ocean, it's defined as a victory, but not as a battle against skill.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
Newtypes don't really "see the future," though. At least from what's been established with the franchise. Amuro himself said during the final battle of A Baua Qu that he cannot see the future, even as a Newtype. If they could, fighting could be avoided completely.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
Its been established is that Newtypes have a greater empathy with others and an enhanced way of "reading" someone's "feelings" and "impulses." Amuro Ray, for example, isn't predicting where someone will shoot when he gets a Newtype Flash, but what their general intent is. After all, it doesn't matter where someone is shooting so long as you're not where they finally shoot.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
A newtype doesn't see what their opponent is going to do, and don't read peoples' minds(unless they're NT, like Kamille and Judau's connection).
What Newtypes do, is 'feel' the enemies' general intent, that's why Newtypes know when an attack is coming before an attack is even initiated(Of course, this happens only when a Newtype Flash occurs).
There's also a problem of reaction speed like Char during A Baoa Qu, he had a NT flash, but he was unable to dodge Amuro's attack, but he did a counter.
Missmecha 2 years ago
I do want to point out, wrong info.
=Its NOT the mobile suit but the pilot=
It's actually the ZERO system.
=Wing Zero's ability to see all futures isnt what makes it great=
It's the very reason what makes it great, the ability to see the future w/ insanely accurate predictions.
=it's the pilot=
I don't agree considering that Trant, a technician, was able to acquire insane reflexes and reaction speed, and he didn't even master the system.
Missmecha 2 years ago
pilot's ability to handle the input and correctly determine the most likely future and work on that information that makes it dangerous. The mech isnt that fast, durable, or particularly well armed, its the gundam version of a rail road cannon. Also by Zeta all grunt MS are superior to everything grunt related in GW. By ZZ the mass produced neo zeon MS are on par with the virtually unbeatable mobile dolls and would give the gundams a run for their money.
onigojira 2 years ago
If it was the pilot's ability to have great reflexes when using ZERO, then how could you explain Trant, an insignificant technical officer, acquire a reaction time of near-zero which was compared to a Mobile Doll?
Really, according to Trant in episode 32 when he was testing Zero, he said that by increasing the Brainwave levels of the pilot, ZERO increases the pilot's combat capabilities and to the point of pushing the pilot beyond his limits.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
There's also a description covered by the Narrator in the series about ZERO:
"ZERO System. A cockpit system that quickly calculates battle data and feeds the large amounts of stats on estimated values directly back to the pilot. But this system also drives a pilot to his limits. To the extent that he won't even fear his own death. Thus helping him gain absolute victory."
The Narrator states the same thing in different dubs.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
I never said the zero system was crap. I'm just saying that there's already a number of pilots who have the ability to know what their enemy is going to do. Some even have the ability to passively recieve the incoming thoughts and intents of others. There's also systems which enhance the pilot in other series as well, such the Psyco's battle computer, the Blue Destiny, and Psyco frames. That and the zero system still requires a very good pilot to be able to properly use it.
onigojira 2 years ago
Newtypes can only get a brief intent of what their opponent is going to do ONLY when a NT Flash occurs, that happens often but not always. that's why NTs' still get caught off guard during battle.
And the ZERO system makes a tactical prediction of the WHOLE BATTLE, not just a single moment but the whole battle, it wouldn't leave openings for the enemies to use. Trant(grunt in Zero) exclaimed that he knew Duo's every move he was going to make and Trant precisely dodged them all.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
The ability to predict every possible outcome during the whole battle is just one of ZERO's functions. Trant is JUST a technician, and he couldn't really have a reaction speed comparable to a MD even if he sees the future, and by amplifying the Brainwave levels of the pilot, it increases the combat capabilities of Trant to the point that he is reacting like a super soldier.
Also ZERO is a man-machine interface that allows the suit to become an extension of the pilot's thoughts and movements.
Missmecha 2 years ago
This still doesnt make it the best gundam ever. I've already cited several mechs with this ability, and gundams with systems vastly superior to the Zero system to the point that you can clearly see the writers getting lazy on some long cold night of working. You can defend it all you want, but I never said it was bad, I just said its not the best, and GW fan boys are always quick to whine when I bring it up. You're proving my point.
onigojira 2 years ago
I never said it's the best Gundam ever, I even gave you a list of which Gundam is actually better than Wing Zero, it's not my fault you didn't read my FIRST post.
The Psycoframe can increase the reaction speed of a pilot, ZERO can do that too and it also pushes the pilot beyond his limits. psycoframe allows an NT pilot to control the suit w/ it's mind alone, ZERO being a man-machine interface, can also do that too. the only thing ZERO can't do is use the Will of Humanity as hax.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
psycoframes allow the pilot to do virtually anything his heart desires with enough will power.
I'm not arguing which is better, although the deus ex machina nature of frames isnt something anyone can really argue against. I stated that other systems exist which do the same things zero system does. I read your post. You just keep trying to make Wing Zero out to be a god among gundams, when it's maybe third tier, second at best.
onigojira 2 years ago
=systems exist which do the same things zero system does=
name one then. >.>
like there's a system that can see the future.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
==psycoframes allow the pilot to do virtually anything his heart desires with enough will power.==
And a single person has that kind of will power? it took the whole will of Humanity to actually push Axis back.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
It took Amuro and Char's final confrontation to generate the energy to push it back. There were a dozen or so grunts there, tops. Psycoframes are sensitive enough to work off of this. Considering in the past newtypes do things like STOP BEAM ATTACKS WITH THEIR MIND (a particular fight with a Zaku 3 comes to mind), its not surprising to see psyco frames actively read and manifest the desires of anyone near them.
EXAM =P uses a newtype ghost to see the enemy's next move.
onigojira 2 years ago
It took 2 psychoframes and a psychoframe sample, and the will of humanity to push Axis back, Char even said it's the will of humanity.
==STOP BEAM ATTACKS WITH THEIR MIND (a particular fight with a Zaku 3 comes to mind)==
Yeah, tell me who it was and I won't be surprised. >.>
=EXAM=
I knew about the ghost. you're just thinking i don't know UC? I know UC and I'm at least not Biased. >.>
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
Cockpits are coated in psycoframes. They're tiny receivers more or less. There was a hell of a lot more than 2. Char asked if this is the will of humanity. The actual act of pushing back Axis didnt occur until the end of their conversation.
Glemy did it. Took several hits from Doven Wolves and basically turned their beams in to a pretty light show.
I know you know about EXAM, but you asked. Also all newtypes have the ability, rendering Zero un-unique in the gundam franchise.
onigojira 2 years ago
Psychoframes are created with microscopic psycommu recievers, and they coat it inside the cockpit, so that makes a psychoframe whole.
And Glemy did that with a gigantic Mobile suit? >.>
What's your point? EXAM was still obsolete.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 2
the whole psycoframe statement..makes no sense. especially when compared with the "2 frames" statement. You only need one cockpit to get the effect.
and yeah, Glemy did it. I just watched the scene today and screamed "Why wont you die?!" at the screen..well.. in my head I did.
EXAM might be obsolete, since it got destroyed, but it still predicts enemy movements and relays them to the pilot, just like the zero system. Zero doesnt do any one thing best in Gundam. Its only good, not best.
onigojira 2 years ago
What? ZERO can give near-zero reaction time, push the pilot beyond his LIMITS, and it can see the WHOLE OUTCOME of the battle. It's definitely different than the EXAM system as a whole. >.>
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 2
You forgot to mention that ZERO is also a man-machine interface that allows the suit to become an extension of the pilots thoughts and movements, like the Bio-Computer.
Missmecha 2 years ago
Char's Sazabi also had a Psychoframe cockpit IIRC, unless you forgot that?
There's also the T-sample that was moving around Earth releasing psychic energy.
Missmecha 2 years ago
There's actually a flaw in Newtype precognition, the only time they can sense an attack coming is when a Newtype flash occurs, that's probably why newtypes like Amuro(during the battle of odessa) and Char traditionally get caught off guard(if NTs can sense every attack then this problem shouldn't exist).
There's also the problem of reaction speed like I said, During the battle of A Baoa Qu, Char had newtype flash but he was unable to avoid Amuro's attack(which destroyed Zeong's whole body).
Missmecha 2 years ago 2
i agree, it works like sharingan in naruto, just cus you know an attacks coming, if you cant physically react in time it doesnt matter
Krischaos 2 years ago
=Char asked if this is the will of humanity. The actual act of pushing back Axis didnt occur until the end of their conversation.=
I was pretty sure that Char said that he was surprised that the will of humanity is being focused into one place.
the psychoframe phenomenon happened because everybody wished that Axis wouldn't fall down to earth.
Missmecha 2 years ago 2
=Also all newtypes have the ability=
You're just repeating yourself, or just didn't care to read our post. We already proved that newtypes don't see the future, they can only feel the general intent of an enemy attack ONLY WHEN A NEWTYPE FLASH OCCURS. That's why newtypes still get caught off guard during battle.
the ZERO System on one hand, takes into account EVERY POSSIBLE OUTCOME of the WHOLE BATTLE to the point that it can see the future, it wouldn't leave any openings.
they're different.
Missmecha 2 years ago 2
@Missmecha I haven't read all the posts, so I don't know if its been talked about, but the Psycommu system advanced to a point like the Zero system, only not on as broad a level.
TSEpictures 2 years ago
==Psycommu system advanced to a point like the Zero system==
When did this happen? The only thing similar to the ZERO is the Bio-computer(minus many of ZERO system functions).
portablemp5 1 year ago
...Zero system if I recall was a specail computer over AI to assist in non newtype users to new type performance levels God Gundams system is based on the users potent abilites DOmon is NOT a newtype (a phycic) he is a strong person with fighter capabilites and has a easier controlled cockpit to the WIng gundam so bolth combatants prob get eachother good BUT DOmon has habits in his combat wich the ZERO system would learn pick up and annilate... ZERO system = really awsume for predictions
UltimateWeaponEdenX 1 year ago
Uhh.. Not really, Missmecha already proven that the ZERO system isn't the same as Newtype precog, and isn't anything Newtype.
But what's your point exactly?
portablemp5 1 year ago
@portablemp5 Didn't say Zero System was a Newtype it's just able to predict habits and actions while Domons Mecha is based upon his personal skills if the ZERO system "Reads and predicts moves" that means Domons habits are neutralized and he has to fight more unpredictably ZERO system is a real pain to deal with
UltimateWeaponEdenX 4 months ago
@UltimateWeaponEdenX
There's more to Zero than just predicting moves, it predict the best way to achieve total victory, so it can predict way more than just moves. But that's irrelevant, Domon without his Gundam can punt buildings with his bare hands, not to mention that God Gundam's stats is way off the charts compared to "realistic" Gundams. God Gundam has too much brute strength and speed that there's no way that Wing Zero or any other Gundam sans Turn A or 00Quant can compete.
portablemp5 1 month ago
@portablemp5 It IS hard to guess any other Gundams that could match God/Burning Gundam really.
BryonYoungblood 3 weeks ago
=EXAM=
If I can remember, this system's only function is to increase the performance of a mobile suit, i.e. the Blue Destiny using the spirit of a Newtype.
Missmecha 2 years ago
Right...
=psycoframes allow the pilot to do virtually anything his heart desires with enough will power. =
Because?... It pushed the Moonlight Butterfly back? >.>
=I'm not arguing which is better=
You already did actually, and you're just contradicting yourself.
=when it's maybe third tier, second at best.=
And this is based on your opinion Elitist?
I hope you're not going to argue that Nu Gundam is a better machine than F91 because of the pilot. Then you're just being biased if you did.
Missmecha 2 years ago
=I just said its not the best=
And we never said it was the best. >.>
=You're proving my point. =
What's your point exactly? That you're biased?
Missmecha 2 years ago
You're talking about the Psyco-control chair of Psyco Gundam? If I remember the whole gigantic Gundam was supposed to be controlled by the Cyber-NT by her mind alone w/ the help of the system.
The EXAM system was pretty much obsolete, considering that using an actual NT to BE the system made it rampage.
Psychoframe is actually the most versatile in your list, it allows the MS to be controlled by it's mind alone, it also increases reaction speed, and can use psychic energy as an extra battery.
Missmecha 2 years ago
All the systems I mentioned are utilized to enhance the piloting capability of who ever is in it. The draw back of the Psyco Gundams is that they enhance the person in to a killer which cant be stopped. Even if they wanted to, they become a murderous soldier who destroys everything. Its why Four and Rosamie couldnt be stopped with words. Look at the point I'm making.
onigojira 2 years ago
All those systems were only for Newtypes, those aren't really useful for Oldtypes, heck the EXAM system is even dangerous for an Oldtype. Cyber-Newtypes are obviously mentally unstable.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
It doesnt matter. They still do it. Some built in systems make the pilot superior to anything the Zero system could do. All it'd be able to predict is impending loss, and maybe a way for the pilot to weasel out of the situation and survive. There'd be no hope of victory against some of the deus ex machina systems out there. My point was the Wing Zero isnt the best gundam around, and fanboys whine when the point is made.
onigojira 2 years ago