I cannot believe the Mustang vs. Camaro/Trans Am debate on this vid. If its got a V8 and american made, it is probably a pretty quick car. If not, then its not. Tip your cap to power when you see it. No need to keep arguing. Its more about what you like, and not what they have. That being said, I do believe that Mustang owners (and I say this with respect to those that deserve it) has far more of a dousche population than its GM counterparts. But they are there on both sides.
@ShhhImKillinU Sorry about that. When you started talking about MPG on a horsepower talk I instantly though of a tuner dumbass. Then I realized that you owned a 5.0. Then I asked myself, why in the fuck is he talking MPG when we should be talking HP/TQ. So its my personal opinion that since you want MPG, that I think that you really are a tuner at heart, but cant escape the raw power of an american V8 lol
@jwindbigler It's all good, but no I'm def no tuner homo! I've been into muscle cars since I was a kid and have built a ton of them, never in my life would I want to own a fourbanger lol, mpg is a must now days though and I love the fact that guys are pullin 800 hp and still getting 30 mpg, thats all i'm saying, I've owned a big block chevy car that ran 10's at the track and got about 5 mpg, those days are over. I focus on best bang for buck, mostly SCing 5.0's since they stay civil til u gas it
@jwindbigler tehehehehe i own a 408 stroker vette so no im not trying to be an ass by saying this but you do realise that the C6R that is in the Le Mans has the LS7 out of the Z06. Racing Jake takes the cake.
@DanTelehey1 I just looked it up, and you are right. I thought that they banned the LS7 because of the displacement. I stand corrected. Thanks, and Happy Holidays
@slayerdawg24 the gt 500 isn't an aftermarket mod car as you call it.i got mine from the factory with 540 hp. ford built plenty of them and still is.the saleen is an aftermarket modified by steve saleen,but you can get a gt 500 at any ford dealer....factory o.e.m...by the way,if ford sucks so bad,why did the gov't have to bail g.m. out?there would be no g.m. without the gov't..so it's goverment motors now..
@466scj unfortunately, ford is a much better run company. They have better engineers, and overall, they are just flat out better. I hate saying that, because I am a GM guy.
@466scj actually GM had to get bailed out cause the late 90s to mid 00s were such well built cars people never got rid of them, resulted in people going through cars less often. sorry :(
@slayerdawg24 You need to keep your mouth shut. You make me ashamed to be a fellow GM lover. The GT500 is an amazing machine. Granted I would rather buy a C6 vette with the money, but thats my choice. The GT500's biggest problem is traction, and thats it. Something that can make that kind of power is worth tipping your cap to, especially since it probably makes over 400 TQ at 2500RPM. And as far as the saleens go, I dont like what you get for the extra $10k or whatever the package costs.
My Pontiac felt like it had a bit more HP=Tq to pull harder but the Ford reved higher sooner I like both. I spent less $ to mod the 350 than the 4.6L I never had a problem with the 350 blowing a head or throwing a rod but its very possible for both to blow up with miss usage of NOS or over boosting them.
I have owned both a Mustang & a Pontiac both run their ass off I did research about the why SVT put a S/C on the 4.6L I found out that the 4.6L revs higher than Chevy's 350 but it didn't breath as good in the top end because of intake port design & valve ports restriction which meant it didn't get enough airflow@ higher rpms. The 350 only uses a signal cam. but intake / valve port air flow was greater in the higher rpm too. the ford put out - 20 HP/TQ was good.
the ws6 package appeared for the very first time on a 1978 trans am. it has been available as an option. In 1995 Pontiac decided to make limited production Trans Am with the WS6 package already installed. In 1996 with the introduction of the Firehawk, Pontiac made more priority on maintaining the Firebird/Trans Ams performance oriented, as they were intended and kept the WS6 package on the Trans Ams. The Firehawk had its suspension done by SLP Performance Ind.
@thirdgenguy17 im talkin about 4th gen i dont they started the ws6 back up till like 96-97, not 93, i have never seen a 93 ws6, but third gens yes i knew those existed, its to bad they got rid of pontiac, the trans am took out most cars in its timeframe
no your right they did make them starting in the 70's and i believe they stopped with the 3rd gen's until 96 or 97 when they brought them back, i dont get on here much so i dont post a whole lot
how am i wrong? im referiing to the kid who said he had a 93 ws6, they didnt start ws6 till 97 i know thats a ls1 considering i own one, no shit the 97 looks dif than the 98 they made a huge front end styling change, maybe you should read your comments for trying to bust my balls
@hawk92rs You didnt start the thread with @customcraze65, so I had to assume that you were referring to the NBM WS6 in the video. Sorry about that. They are rare as fuck, but according to the LS1tech.com forum im on they started in 1978. I dont know how reliable that info is, but its what I have to go on.
@hawk92rs Technically WS6 is just a suspension upgrade and they started some time in the 70's. I only know this because my friend has a 2.8L 84 Firebird with the WS6 package that he got out of a 88 bird, and it just consists of bigger sway bars and shit.
@Mean4valve wrong? hey dymbass readddd i said they made them in the 2nd and 3rd gen style but didnt make them in the 4th gen style until 96 or 97 so before you go callin someone out on being wrong read the comments
i have a 1998 ws6 myself, im in the navy and i dont have it with me right now but in a month ill have some videos of me and some of my friends racing, that kid is just and idiot, they didnt make a ws6 4th gen till 97, maybe 96, but def not 93 he obviously doesnt know what he is talking about
@hawk92rs Are you serious. You cant see that its a 98-02 front end. The 93-97 had more of a point. It has the LS1 in it. Modded of course. Do I really need to share a link to a picture to show you that you are WRONG!! I was in the navy too, and I owned a 1999 WS7 (it was a formula converted to the WS6). Take a look at the vids on here of the WS6's. They all look the same.
@hawk92rs Thats a true statement. Good thing that its a 2000 WS6. Do you even know the difference in the body style? And you call me a dumbass for making a true statement. You should watch the whole video before commenting.
You should Wikipedia your knowledge. The 1997 GT and 1997 LT1 camaro/firebird both weigh 3300 lbs. And GM not only has about 40 more horse but another gear too. Then compare the 1998. The GT ups the HP to 225 @3300 lbs, while GM base LS1 is 305 @ 3450 lbs. So yeah I'll take 80 more HP for 150 extra lbs. So who is the moron now? Dumbass.
@jwindbigler I want 1/4 mile times, because horsepower is how you win shows...not races. Also, if you dig a little deeper it is found that Ford severely underrated their cars power to keep insurance costs low for the consumer and normally the rwhp was closer to the advertised hp. Chevy, not so much. I have owned a 97 WS6 and now own a 97 Cobra and they do not compare.
Ford has always done more with less. Their new 5.0 GT's cost what? 35k fully loaded, and a fully loaded camaro cost 46k, a fully loaded pontiac g8 costs 40k, a fully loaded challenger costs 48k (ish) a BMW M3 cost well over 50k and which one will spank the rest in any kind of race? The cheapest of them all a Mustang GT. And oh BTW it is the best on gas mileage out of all of them... NEXT ARGUMENT!!! Do your research because that blue oval is the best
@1997DOHC Sounds like a ricer comment to me. "do more with less". Why not get more with more? I wise man once said, "you have to pay to play". And once again...who gives a shit about MPG when you are talking about HP and TQ? Once again sounds pretty rice to me. Are you sure that you arent a ricer in disguise? Dont get me wrong, I love the new 5.0, and I love fords diesels. I have a lot of respect for anything that has torque.
@jwindbigler that is probably THE most retarded thing you could ever say...look at the one video that I have on my profile and tell me if it is rice you moron. Additionally, why would you pay more to go slower? The new Mustang GT 5.0 is the fastest, best handling sports car in america, and it cost less, and it gets better gas mileage. Now I'm not saying that I care about gas mileage, but it is kinda like an added bonus. Rice? Please! that is just common sense!
@1997DOHC The one video on your profile has no relavence. We dont even see your car. So I cannot make an accurate judgement. And as far as the fastest best handling sports car in america goes, that title goes to the base model corvette. Anything above the base model I consider in the supercar category. If you dont care about MPG then why bring it up? And traditionally that 4.6L that you have in your precious mustang has been the runt of the american sports car market because its small
@1997DOHC and because its small, you mustang guys have to make up bullshit ass excuses, well my engine is smaller, of course you won. Well, get a bigger motor then. Its a pretty simple concept. Apparently you cannot understand. Dont get me wrong, the 4.6L has its place, which is in the back behind the LSx powered vehicles, but I am very glad that ford finally decided to step up their game with a N/A motor thats very comparable to the rest of the sports car market.
@jwindbigler yep, just as i suspected, you have no idea what you are talking about. Even with the 'small' 4.6L 2valve found in the GT's they still put down against those LS and LT motors. Now throw the 4valve version found in the Cobra's and the fact that mustangs are at least 500lbs lighter than the competition and that is a recipe for Chevy and Dodge destruction. You should compare 1/4mile times from 1997 and up and get back to me.
@1997DOHC hate to tell you buddy but i walked all over the new 5.0 mustang. i drive a '93 WS6 LT1 base built to LT4 357 stroker. i left that shit ford at the starting line and guess what!? i only have $1,700 in my whole car! with 94k miles on it.
@customcraze65 first off, no the fuck you don't have 'just $1700' into a 357 stroker. I once owned a 97 WS6 with an LT1, and stroker kits all by themselves cost more than that, not to mention the supporting parts that you would buy to compliment the stroker. And good job beating the new 5.0's it isn't that hard. That was never what i was trying to say. I was just trying to say that out of the new muscle (within the last 3 years) its the fastest, and cheapest, and as a bonus, gets the best MPG
@1997DOHC Its not the fastest...cheapest sure (but you get what you pay for), and best MPG...once again, who cares about MPG. Stop talking about MPG. No one cares. And so what if he got a hell of a deal on his stroker kit. Chevy 350 parts are a dime a dozen just like parts for a 302. Cheap, easy, reliable.
@jwindbigler okay then dude, since it's not the fastest, what is? And you guys are taking my comments all wrong. I do not care about MPG, I own a 97 Cobra that gets 13mpg for Christ sake. What I AM trying to say is that Ford makes the fastest car, with the smallest motor, and they do it the cheapest. And just as a caveat it gets better gas mileage, which is not a big deal, but its kinda an added bonus, get what I'm trying to convey here? Thanks
@1997DOHC my car was already built when i got it. buy SVP motorsports in alabama. i traded around for almost 2 years until i ended up with my built WS6 and the car i traded for it, i only gave $1,700 for. ('88 iroc Z28 camaro T-top with 62K original miles.)
@B1G3L Dude, its an american sports car. Who gives a fuck about gas milage. In my opinion you discredited yourself when you mentioned gas guzzlers, you fucking prius driving hippie.
And no ford is not the best maker of cars. They have been the runt of the litter for as long as I can remember. The 302 mod for mod cant hang with a 350.
Dont get me wrong I am very happy that ford has stepped up to the plate with the new 5.0. But doing it with twin cam. Come on...thats not american
@jwindbigler id sure as hell hope so that the 302 mod for mod cant keep up with the 350..now the 351, bye bye 350. remember the chevy 305? that was a joke of an engine that got walked all over by the 302. ford does more with less if you havent realized that yet.
@airsoftg0d the 305 tpi w/ 5spd in the 3rd gen camaros stock for stock the camaro was winning actually. pushing 230 hp and 300ft/lbs of tor. where the 302 was pushin 215hp and 295 ft/lbs of tor. the camaro was heavier but it was gear just right with a 3.42 rear gear stock where the mustang had a 3.08 rear
@jwindbigler no kidding the old 302 couldn't keep up with the 350, do you hear yourself? 302 against 350?!? lets take the 351 and compare it to the 350. apples to apples
@DoctorNambu Wow, what a tool. You are exactly what gives mustang owners a bad name. A kid with a big mouth, with absolutely no respect for the Muscle family. To all of those mustang owners out there, im sorry, im not trying to insult the mustang family. At the end of the day, they are still AMERICAN MUSCLE. But this guy needs to get out of OUR family. Its obvious that he doesnt know what he talks about. The 302 and the 350 are two of the best made engines....ever.
@DoctorNambu First of all, I did not come up on your wall talking all kinds of shit. YOU ARE. Second of all, if the chevy 350 blows up all of the time, then why are there so many trucks out there with a 350 in it and over 200k on the original motor. A buddy of mine has a 1998 1500 thats approaching 300k (i think hes at 293k now), on the original motor. So how can you say that they blow up all of the time? They dont blow up any more than a 302 or a 351. End of story
@sergsrt8 It was designed that way for better air flow. I mean 32 valves are way better than 16. But having the big bulky heads on there is a drag. Doesnt leave much room for a long stroke.
@jwindbigler how's it not american? mostly all imports use the same technology as ford, AFTER it was brought to us BY ford. just because its a twin cam doesn't mean jack shit. just means we are one step ahead of you GM fags. i also beg to differ about your "runt of the litter". mustangs are far more superior than their competition. the 5.0, shelby gt500, saleens, not to mention the big daddy of them all, the super snake. stay in school little boy. your stories don't stick.
@jwindbigler are you stupid? twin cam is an excellent design...and no, Ford has never been the runt of the litter...you Gm boys obviously have forgotten the bruises the 351C left you with.
@wignigeater Forgotten? Thats before I was born....I never even lived it. Mustangs have been slower than camaros/firebird since the early 90's, and they just stepped up thier game with the 5.0. Good for them though, they needed that. I at least like a little competition haha.
@transamman305 lol a little competition lol wtf. Okay, the 96-98 cobra was faster than both the 97&98 z28 SS. yes the ls1 ss was beaten by a stock little 4.6l in the 1/4mi. Slower than them since the early 90s? haha, they lost money and didn't produce them past 2002 and just restarted them obviously. The 03-04 cobras are faster, the 5.0 is faster, the boss 351 from the 70s beat the c6Z in 1/4mi. k, I own 2 cobras and an ls1 camaro. i like the camaro, but d stangs are faster. I can prove it too
@wignigeater I agree about arguing but some of your facts are a bit off. The 96-98 cobra was slow as dog shit stock. They ran upper 13's. It would be a good race for the 97 camaro SS with the LT1 but would get wooped by the 98 SS with the LS1. And there is no possible way in hell that the boss 351 was quicker than a C6 Z06 in the 1/4 mile. What does the boss 351 trap? Because I know the C6 Z06 will trap around 125-128 mph.
@wignigeater That boss 351 was completely modified, and the guy driving the Z06 was terrible. A C6 Z06 will absolutely kill that mustang with a better driver. The 97 SS did NOT have more HP than the 98 SS...trust me, I have friends that own them. I'm guessing the vid of the 98 cobra is a modded one too racing the SS. I'm talking stock for stock, and mustangs were dogs stock. Look up 1/4 mile times on google for both cars stock and you will see.
@transamman305 Completely modified? It was barely modified. Trust me, the stock ratings are higher, lol......just type it into google. Yes, most ls1s are under rated, but then there are some that come out with expected numbers in proportion to their ratings. Oh, and it was a stock 1998 review by MW or C&D. The SS lost fair n square.
@wignigeater The guy in the vid with the boss 351 even says it's all modded compared to the stock Z06. If I drove that Z06 it would be in the low 11's. The mustang only ran a 12 something...and they were even slower stock. The Z06's have been known to trap 126 mph in the 1/4 mile...the boss 351 wouldn't even touch that. I have plenty of freinds with mustangs and LS1's. All of them will tell you that a 98 SS is faster than a 98 cobra, hands down.
@transamman305 Sure, because your a pro at the strip...lmfao...well hands down the ls1 lost, so unfortunately for you that is not true. I'm not hating on ls1's, but they aren't that great, I finished a swap recently and have had an H/C/I LS1 before, it was fast, no doubt, but it is not unbeatable. I mean, c'mon my buddy with a stock 93 5.0 went 8.4 in the 1/8th....he beat 2 cammed LS1's at the track that were hatin' on his square lol
@transamman305 they ran 8.7s, he ran an 8.4, they had B.S. excuses, but that was what they ran all night...slicks, one an a4 the other a m6. They could have been faster, but they weren't...and lost to a stock 5.0.....yes bolt ls1s will go ~8.4-8.3 w/slicks...but that wasn't the case, sadly for them
@wignigeater Haha, your buddy with the 5.0 got lucky, because a stock 5.0 fox body is a turd. A stock LS1 would wipe the floor clean with one. For someone that has "owned" a H/C LS1 you sure seem to not know much about them. Your talking to someone that owns a turbocharged LS1 3rd gen TA, has driven fox bodies, vettes, camaros, S197 stangs, etc. I know my shit and what a car "should" run....and no stock boss 351 would EVER be faster than a C6 Z06 unless the driver sucked, end of story.
@transamman305 Actually the Foxbody mustangs raped the 90's all the way up until the 03-04 terminator came on board, I've owned alot of mustangs and the 89-93 fox is by far the best platform they have had next to the terminator, so calling it a turd is just showing how clueless you are in the world of street cars and their potential, my newest one is a stock block and head motor w/factory cam and it put down 360hp/360tq to the wheels on 8lbs of boost, I eat camaros for breakfast buddy.
@ShhhImKillinU I'm talking stock cars here, not ones with boost. And you make 360 HP with 8 PSI....dude, thats pathetic. So your boosted foxbody is fast enough to hang with an LS1 camaro with bolt ons. Thats laughable. Get a real engine and then get back to me. Because that 360 RWHP foxbody of yours doesn't have a prayer against my boosted LSx TA. And you know what...a buddy of mine just bought a 6.0 LSX for his foxbody...you know why? Because he said 302's are turds...hes a ford guy too
@transamman305 LMAO fuck your gay ass camaro fagget! My 89 car is a completely stock block tuned for daily driving that still gets 25-20 mpg pussy, and as for your Camaros with bolt ons yeah fucking right bro, I have taken down 3/3 so far, they are just big slugs, my buddies 90 with a 100 shot of nos takes down built camaros all day too, we actually laugh at how fucking lame those cars are and how rediculous you guys look driving them, my car has gone 11.02 qm with basic suspension mods eat that
@transamman305 Oh and tell your buddy to just get a camaro because he is going to get laughed out of town by both chevy and ford guys, fucking poser! Go back to sucking each others dicks and beating off to your justin bieber posters fucking homos. You guys don't know shit about cars. I'd really LOVE to see this "boosted" Cram Am you have. You can see my car on cardomain under chipstadley's 89 ford mustang, 11th from the top on all 88-93 stangs. BIATCH!!!!!!
@ShhhImKillinU LOL, your reply shows your age. And I know nothing about cars apparently along with my buddy, but we have the knowledge to put an LSx motor into 80's cars that never came with one. Makes sense. If you were smart you'd ditch that boat anchor 302 and get a real engine. My buddies 6.0 LSX with a cam only should put down over 400 RWHP...better than your boosted 302 turd. And BTW, LSx motors average 25-28 mpg on the highway with twice the power of yours, so go fuck yourself.
@transamman305 Anyone with any automotive knowledge can transplant a motor into anything, 302 a boat anchor? lol YOU ARE FUCKING HILARIOUS, you must know nothing about fords at all, a 302 can make up to 500hp on a STOCK block, 331-347dss blocks make upwards of 1000hp+ so get your shit straight. 6.0 with a cam? Thats like 50ci bigger than a 302 and my car made 360/360 through a trashed automatic and stock tq converter, since then I've changed it to a fully built AOD and 3200 stall, Makes more hp.
@ShhhImKillinU Another thing, once I put my 331 with afr heads and anderson blower cam in it, it'll make around 600 hp to the wheels, so fuck your whack ass 6.0, nobody cares about your joe dirt camaro, and your ridiculous idea to put a chevy motor in a ford. In my opinion, you have got to be one of the sorriest excuses for a car enthusiast ever, and I'm 28 motherfucker!
@ShhhImKillinU Joe dirt camaro? OK vanilla ice with your "5.0." Give me a fucking break. 80's mustangs are not exactly the shining star in fords lineup either and with all your BS camaro jokes there are just as many foxbody dirtbag jokes to go along with it. You think I havn't heard them all before? All that matters is that in the end, my joe dirt "camaro" will bend that stang over and rape it without lube. As far as the chevy engine in a ford...that'll be the fastest it ever was.
@transamman305 as for the fox being slow, MM&FF took a STOCK i said STOCK 302 based lx notch and put it in the low 11's without anything more than suspension and weight reduction, if your ta or camaro is so great tell me why there is no national ta or camaro magazine like mustangs have? Also tell me why chevy had to be bailed out and quit making the camaro for a while? Because GM sucks cock just like you and your downsyndrome lookin ass. Whos the hick Joe Dirt? U MY FRIEND ARE THE PATHETIC ONE!!
@transamman305 Don't be mad that my 5.0 is fuckin beast, I know I know it hurts. Thats what happens when you build a real car, people gotta hate. It's okay though because I get to go out to my 3 car garage and crank that bitch up and scrap all those ridiculous little bowties while yours just sits in the garage and takes up space, do yourself a favor and keep it there because when you fire up those supposed 700 ponies that things gonna explode like a bomb went off under your foot. LMAO
@ShhhImKillinU How much is an aftermarket 302 block? Because I paid $800 for my 5.3 that has been proven time and time again to make 700+ HP with a turbo...on the STOCK BOTTOM END. Friend of mine built up a 347 stroker with top of the line ported trick flow heads, big cam, matched intake setup, etc. He made 400 RWHP...thats pathetic. Every 302 based motor I've ever seen has been a complete joke, and I seriously doubt yours is any different.
@transamman305 so like a 305? lol thats the weakest shit ever, oil burning pos, better get used to changing out valve guides homie, an aftermarket 302 block is bout the same price, and I highly doubt your car is going to hold together with 700 hp on a stock bottom end, better get a main support system buddy, as for your buddies 347 with heads and cam, 400 hp isn't even close that car should make 450hp easy out of the box, and 302 based motors have churned upwards of 300-1500hp broski, get right.
@ShhhImKillinU The 305 uses the same block as the 350 and 400. The 350 is a very reliable motor, so saying a 305 is shit is very ignorant. The 305 has a good block and can be reliable if maintained properly. Also, they can produce good numbers when built. Nothing like a 350 or anything but that's obvious with it lacking 45 cubic inches. Now, I'm all for bashing on Chevy guys when they deserve it, but don't say ignorant shit
@blindskater200 I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 305 is a pile of junk, its an oil burning pos, The block itself may very well be strong and buildable but the worthless heads chevy put on them are horrible, trust me I know I've owned two camaros, one was a 305 oil burning piece of crap and the other was a 350 based car that couldn;t find its way out of a paper sack, This is why I went with a 5.0 10 years ago and never looked back, I'll never own another worthless chevy car again.
@transamman305 You can't compare a turbo motor vs. an N/A motor. That's just stupid. I've seen twin turbo 5.4L Fords produce 1500 HP and I've seen production N/A motors make around 300. There's a saying, "There's no replacement for displacement", this is wrong. A turbo or a supercharger can completely change the game. Why the hell do you think diesels nowadays are so fast and powerful? BIG ASS TURBO.
@transamman305 How can you say that your motor has "proven time and time again to make 700 + HP with a turbo..." when your car isn't done yet? Your most recent video, which was posted 11 days ago, was of your car with your turbo piping "mocked up". How can a motor prove itself "time and time again" within the 11 days since you posted the video of your un-finished car and motor set up? I'm not hating. Just want to know if this motor was in another car at some point or what.
@blindskater200 My same engine build has been done in more cars than I can count online. Stock bottom end, same heads, same cam, same head studs, and similiar turbo. There are tons of guys that make anywhere from 550 to 700 RWHP with a very similiar build on the stock bottom end. I know probably 5-10 of them who have had the motor going for a few years now, so reliability is not a big issue. It's a 5.3 LSX motor, not an old SBC 305, so it's a good bit stronger.
@transamman305 Well I know the 5.3 is not a 305, since a 305 is a 5.0 liter. But anyways, thanks for answering my question. One last thing - you can't really say YOUR motor has proven time and time again to make over 700 HP when you've never run the motor. Instead I would say "similar builds have..." so as to not start confusion as it had with me.
@blindskater200 Yea...technically mine hasn't yet. But it's a 36K mile engine and I have no doubt it's a strong runner since it currently runs. Just have to button up a few odds and ends and then it's tune time. It should put the hurting on almost any 5.0 I run into...
@transamman305 Well I certainly would hope so! Since you have all the power you need, traction is going to be your next big issue. Oh and wait til you run into a turbo 5.0 ;) that'll give ya some trouble for sure.
@blindskater200 Just realized you own a 5.0 mustang LOL...that compliment I made was more for the tard that was going back and forth with me above you....and yea that turbo stang was pretty nasty....def an aftermarket block and fully built engine to be pushing that kind of power.
@transamman305 It was also twin turbo by the way. And don't worry about the comments made toward "the tard" :p I've heard plenty of jokes and such about 5.0's on YouTube that it doesn't even phase me any more. Every one has opinions. I haven't heard any shit talk about my car in person though, but all my friends want/drive rice burners so I believe they just don't want to race me when I finally get it finished lol
@transamman305 I see you finally stopped running your mouth about the 5.0's bout damn time, everyone has their likes and dislikes and opinions, I wouldn't have said another word to u but you had to pipe up and talk about the 302 being a boat anchor and a turd, in my opinion it's just the opposite but thats my opinion, I've had a couple chevies in my day one being a 396 60." over car with a turbo 400 and 4:56 gears 500hp, but my 360 hp mustang outran it at the track everytime, so I kept it.
@transamman305 If ya gonna argue atleast know the numbers. People are mentioning 97ss which was avaiable in 2 versions. One being the LT4 which was rated at 330hp, LT1 were rated at 305hp with the optional slp exhaust 305 hp. Leaving factory freaks aside HP numbers were the same as the LS1. I have no reason to BS as I have owned a 94 Z28 and an 02 SS. My SS was 345hp stock with the SLP options and I couldn't touch an 03 Cobra but wiped the floor with every other Mustang on the road.
@transamman305 oooooh gotta report someone when you don't like what they have to say huh? Well keep your closed minded comments to yourself then buddy, how you gonna talk shit to me and call me a kid when you are 26 and I'm 28 dumbass, And like I said before since u are obviously to dumb to read I do have a car and it's 11th on cardomain under 88-93 mustangs dumb fuck
@ShhhImKillinU Going back and forth is one thing in messages or on this vid, but when you litter every god damn video I have up and I have to sit and delete it all, then I get pissed. So what, I don't care much for mustangs...why do you think I drive a TA? Not everyone likes mustangs and when you act like a damn 15 year old I'm gonna reply to you like one. Argue like a man, not a baby.
@transamman305 but fuck arguing over youtube about American cars....we are beating ourselves to piss and even outsourcing our "AMERICAN MADE" cars....LETS GET AMERICA BACK....FUCK THE PRIUS FAMILY!!! LMFAO
@wignigeater Fucking thank you. These 3 dumbasses have been littering up my wall about the whole MUSTANG vs. CAMARO/TRANS AM debate. Lets face facts. Im a chevy guy. However, ford is a better run company. The 302 is one hell of a motor. So is the 350. The LSx engine I like the best. A little known fact is THAT IS A FORD MOTOR. They were going to put it in their boats. GM bought the design and put it in the 97 vette. AND DONT EVER TALK ABOUT MPG'S WHEN YOU ARE TALKING MUSCLE. Who cares
@B1G3L Kill yourself. You can pull up in your mustang gt and ill pull up in my everyday and dust your ass. By the way, that would be an envoy's ass you will be seeing.
@B1G3L you know how fucking dumb you sound, american muscle bro = big motors not fucking 3.0l or some shit like that so who gives a fuck about gas milage.
ford- 4.6 or 5.0 thats pretty much it
chevy- 5.7 6.0 6.2 7.0
do some research first before you start talking shit.
@00saleen9244ssscm Thats the ls1 that makes 325 horses and you must mean the blown 4.6 right? The c5 ZO6 has a LS6 an upgraded ls1 with GM division cam, heads, exhaust and valves from the factory making 405 horses still a 5.7. You can upgrade every one of those parts aftermarket and get even more power.
@00saleen9244ssscm Easy, they dont have to use forced air to make 400hp. Ford had to until the remake of the 5.0. Gotta tip my cap to ford for finally getting into the game.
jwindbigler is right. the real enemy is the stupid sizzlers and their compact turds. and the swamp buggy crowd with their 4x4 cprices with step bars and brush guards. i am an owner of a 2003 mustang gt with a little 281 and a 85 monte ss with a beefed 350 an i lke em both
Yeah that's definitely a Termi bumper. I have friends with both and the 01 has a slight curve and looks higher. The Termi's got a 'lower' profile with a thin chin spoiler. And jwingbigler is right, I love both GM's and Ford's it's a shame some are trying to bust nuts like fanboys. But maybe that's just me... since the majority of ppl around here have turned to hondas/toyotas
@TTcamaroz28 My 4.6 3v with just a tune, xpipe and headers walked a Ls1 Trans Am that had headers and open Y pipe. I would post a vid after my tune but he since blew up his motor :/
Sorry to bust your balls but that is an 01 Cobra.. thus no supercharger so its only got about 275hp, the top is down so yeah that creates a lot of drag and finally to all the GM lovers... GM is trash compared to Fords...
We're kicking your ass with small blocks, think about it.
@superpornlover Im sorry to bust your balls brother, but that was a termi. It had a stock supercharger. Heck I dont think that he even had it pullied yet. Plus you are over here talking shit about fellow muscle car enthusiasts. Why talk shit to your GM brother, when the real enemy is the Honda ricer punk asses. Think about it. Oh btw, GM has consistently made more power than fords. So how is that trash.
@jwindbigler look at the 2011 Ford mustang GT 5.0L compared to the 2011 Camaro SS 6.2L, the Ford has more HP, and wins in the 1/4 with 1.2L less, so ya GM makes more power than Ford right?
@cMiiKEc How many years did it take Ford to come out with that motor?...BTW The LS3 is still more powerful than the 5.0 so his comment is factual. The 5.0 mustang is faster because it is simply a lighter car.
@jwindbigler thats not a terminator you half wit. the car had 99-01 cobra front bumper hood rear bumper and side ground effects. stock it put out 305 hp and had a 5 spd trans and its a convertible which is even heavier nice try.
@johnknight1981 You are an idiot. Look again. I saw exactly what it had under the hood and what front bumper it had. Open your eyes. It had a stock eaton supercharger, with a CAI and Catbak exhaust. Dont start whining because your precious terminator lost to a superior car. (in this case)
@johnknight1981 and how are you sir, call me a half wit. Clearly you are the one thats uneducated. A wise man once said keep your friends close and your enemies closer. So...FUCK YOU
@jwindbigler Good point, but how are the honda ricer punks your enemies? You can't blame Honda tuners for trying to make more power, that's what y'all are doing. They simply cannot afford a WS6 or a Cobra. Don't insult the people that have 30+ mpg cars that yearn for more power because, honestly, they MAY need more power, and obviously all the cars in this video DON'T NEED more power. Let the bashing take place among muscle car owners; leave the silly ricers out of it.
@brentwood06 You are right, I cant blame honda guys for wanting more power. What I hate about MOST not all honda guys, is that they run their mouths once they get a turbo, or swap a motor to gain a whopping 30HP (give or take depending on platform and what engine is swapped in there). So its not so much that I hate the cars, as I dislike the punks driving them. Thats all. And any V8 owner will tell you that more power is always needed lol
@jwindbigler I can definetely agree with that. I'm not biased either way, I just know that *most* Hondas shouldn't even be mentioned when dealing with muscle-bound brutes that are shown here.
@jwindbigler Consistently more power with bigger engines yes. Yet never faster on the quarter until...... oh thats never cause if were comparing best to best the cobra comes in when the gt gets slower and rapes z28/SS shit.
@jpbelyea Never faster in the quarter? You must be mistaking. The Cobra is very comparable to an SS or a WS6. The cobra has 320HP at 3430lbs, while the WS6 has 340HP at 3440lbs. So it has 20HP more with 10 extra lbs. And it is a 6speed vice the 5 speeds that came in all cobras until 03-04 where the supercharged cobra came with a similar T56 as the WS6/SS did in 2002. So they are so close that it really depends on who drives it, not so much with the car itself. So, YOU ARE WRONG!!
@Tyler8994 and u clearly didn't understand my post that is stock vs stock if ur gunna add what ifs then lets play sure ill give the a supercharger but to compensate for the displacment the cobra is now gunna need to be stroked out to 5.7. the numbers really do change and i believe after that u won't even be able to touch a cobra with a supercharged z28. cobra already has a good 80 to 90 hp just stock for stock. But stock for stock the cobra 03 04 was made not to lose to the z28/ss
@jwindbigler GM also consistently has had larger displacement engines than the fords, hell fords largest engine in the sports cars is 5.4L...GM's is 7L...cmon mate, fords 5.0 makes the same power as an LS3 engine, the 5.4L s/c makes the same power as the LS7(?) and fords GT43 is on par with the ZR1 which uses an LS9 6.2L S/C 638hp motor...both do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds 1/4 mile in 11.2 seconds, Ford and GM both win IMO dodge is meh, and ricers can eat a D lol
@irishmadman409 And you think chevy doesnt? Both ford and chevy have been known for their race cars. Heck, they wont let the Z06 (with the 500hp LS7) in the Le Mans series because it would be unfair to the competition. They both have positive aspects about them. I am a chevy guy, but I think that Ford is a better company with better engineers.
@jwindbigler What's wrong with twin cam? I fail to see how it isn't american. 427 SOHC is still heralded as one the biggest and baddest engines Ford has ever produced. Let's not forget about the GAA (DOHC V8 for tanks)that served in WWI. Plenty of American.... its just not the usual tradition of what was seen normally in the stang.
@superpornlover Your trash. Explain to me your theory about GM. Before you freak out and jump out of your seat and start sweating, dont think i have something against ford because i got pa's 94 gt 18,000 miles garage kept. Best car i ever drove
@luvscience44 Why do you call him trash? Because he likes GM instead of Ford? We are all in the same family. Knock this GM vs. Ford bullshit off, and start talking about how big of pieces of shit hondas are. I heard of a civic the other day pushing 25psi and only ran a 12.2. What a POS
The WS6 would have been smoked if the moron could drive. Second he had his Top down which causes a lot of drag. Third change the pulley on the charger and you get 2 to 3 more psi of boost!!
The WS6 would have been smoked if the moron could drive. Second he had his hood down which causes a lot of drag. Third change the pulley on the charger and you get 2 to 3 more psi of boost!!
these cars are amizing.... The SS the Trans Am and the Cobra are all better in different ways but at the same time equally match. Just depends on the driver
@reverseoreo08 it was a termi bumper. It was more rounded off. Its hard to tell in the vid the actual shape of the bumper. But it was a termi bumper, I assure you.
The guy in the stang was like...whao where the fuck did these guys come from...Not a Terminator stang.. I am not a Ford expert but they are rare...and have body mods different that that car....not even the same hood.
I cannot believe the Mustang vs. Camaro/Trans Am debate on this vid. If its got a V8 and american made, it is probably a pretty quick car. If not, then its not. Tip your cap to power when you see it. No need to keep arguing. Its more about what you like, and not what they have. That being said, I do believe that Mustang owners (and I say this with respect to those that deserve it) has far more of a dousche population than its GM counterparts. But they are there on both sides.
jwindbigler 1 month ago
@jwindbigler sometimes I have to hang my head in shame when one of my GM brothers makes an ass of themselves. FUCK HONDA!
jwindbigler 1 month ago
@jwindbigler What the fuck are you talking about? Do I drive a dsm or honda? Fuck no man I drive a 5.0!
ShhhImKillinU 1 month ago
@ShhhImKillinU Sorry about that. When you started talking about MPG on a horsepower talk I instantly though of a tuner dumbass. Then I realized that you owned a 5.0. Then I asked myself, why in the fuck is he talking MPG when we should be talking HP/TQ. So its my personal opinion that since you want MPG, that I think that you really are a tuner at heart, but cant escape the raw power of an american V8 lol
jwindbigler 1 month ago
@jwindbigler It's all good, but no I'm def no tuner homo! I've been into muscle cars since I was a kid and have built a ton of them, never in my life would I want to own a fourbanger lol, mpg is a must now days though and I love the fact that guys are pullin 800 hp and still getting 30 mpg, thats all i'm saying, I've owned a big block chevy car that ran 10's at the track and got about 5 mpg, those days are over. I focus on best bang for buck, mostly SCing 5.0's since they stay civil til u gas it
ShhhImKillinU 1 month ago
CAMAROS ARE GAY AND REQUIRE EQUALLY GAY DRIVERS.
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
man he even got terminated by the camara guy.
billymz28 3 months ago
@jwindbigler tehehehehe i own a 408 stroker vette so no im not trying to be an ass by saying this but you do realise that the C6R that is in the Le Mans has the LS7 out of the Z06. Racing Jake takes the cake.
DanTelehey1 3 months ago 2
@DanTelehey1 I just looked it up, and you are right. I thought that they banned the LS7 because of the displacement. I stand corrected. Thanks, and Happy Holidays
jwindbigler 1 month ago
Ford sucks just face it the 5.0 isnt shit the Shelby gt 500 is a an aftermarket mod car as the saleens are dont be an idiot fuck
slayerdawg24 4 months ago
@slayerdawg24 the gt 500 isn't an aftermarket mod car as you call it.i got mine from the factory with 540 hp. ford built plenty of them and still is.the saleen is an aftermarket modified by steve saleen,but you can get a gt 500 at any ford dealer....factory o.e.m...by the way,if ford sucks so bad,why did the gov't have to bail g.m. out?there would be no g.m. without the gov't..so it's goverment motors now..
466scj 3 months ago
@466scj unfortunately, ford is a much better run company. They have better engineers, and overall, they are just flat out better. I hate saying that, because I am a GM guy.
jwindbigler 1 month ago
@466scj actually GM had to get bailed out cause the late 90s to mid 00s were such well built cars people never got rid of them, resulted in people going through cars less often. sorry :(
AustinBWaters 1 month ago in playlist ws6
@slayerdawg24 You need to keep your mouth shut. You make me ashamed to be a fellow GM lover. The GT500 is an amazing machine. Granted I would rather buy a C6 vette with the money, but thats my choice. The GT500's biggest problem is traction, and thats it. Something that can make that kind of power is worth tipping your cap to, especially since it probably makes over 400 TQ at 2500RPM. And as far as the saleens go, I dont like what you get for the extra $10k or whatever the package costs.
jwindbigler 1 month ago
the ford gt isnt in the same league as the T/A and the cobra. it would better be left to compete with the Corvette which both are very beastly.
ElegyXD 4 months ago
FORD= HEAVY PIECE OF SHIT ONLY GOOD FOR A PAPER WIEGHT..
KUSHaPOTamus420 4 months ago
This race was confusing you people were all over the place. no launch. I was confused the whole 22 seconds.
johnnyhotrum 5 months ago
My Pontiac felt like it had a bit more HP=Tq to pull harder but the Ford reved higher sooner I like both. I spent less $ to mod the 350 than the 4.6L I never had a problem with the 350 blowing a head or throwing a rod but its very possible for both to blow up with miss usage of NOS or over boosting them.
MixQuisite 5 months ago
I have owned both a Mustang & a Pontiac both run their ass off I did research about the why SVT put a S/C on the 4.6L I found out that the 4.6L revs higher than Chevy's 350 but it didn't breath as good in the top end because of intake port design & valve ports restriction which meant it didn't get enough airflow@ higher rpms. The 350 only uses a signal cam. but intake / valve port air flow was greater in the higher rpm too. the ford put out - 20 HP/TQ was good.
MixQuisite 5 months ago
Did you hear how long it took for the Cobra to shift?! (driver fail)
Darrengrayy 5 months ago
the ws6 package appeared for the very first time on a 1978 trans am. it has been available as an option. In 1995 Pontiac decided to make limited production Trans Am with the WS6 package already installed. In 1996 with the introduction of the Firehawk, Pontiac made more priority on maintaining the Firebird/Trans Ams performance oriented, as they were intended and kept the WS6 package on the Trans Ams. The Firehawk had its suspension done by SLP Performance Ind.
xxxOMGxxxWTFxxx8 5 months ago
the ws6 package appeared for the very first time on a 1978 trans am.
xxxOMGxxxWTFxxx8 5 months ago
@thirdgenguy17 im talkin about 4th gen i dont they started the ws6 back up till like 96-97, not 93, i have never seen a 93 ws6, but third gens yes i knew those existed, its to bad they got rid of pontiac, the trans am took out most cars in its timeframe
hawk92rs 5 months ago
no your right they did make them starting in the 70's and i believe they stopped with the 3rd gen's until 96 or 97 when they brought them back, i dont get on here much so i dont post a whole lot
hawk92rs 6 months ago
how am i wrong? im referiing to the kid who said he had a 93 ws6, they didnt start ws6 till 97 i know thats a ls1 considering i own one, no shit the 97 looks dif than the 98 they made a huge front end styling change, maybe you should read your comments for trying to bust my balls
hawk92rs 6 months ago
@hawk92rs You didnt start the thread with @customcraze65, so I had to assume that you were referring to the NBM WS6 in the video. Sorry about that. They are rare as fuck, but according to the LS1tech.com forum im on they started in 1978. I dont know how reliable that info is, but its what I have to go on.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler i know one guy who has a ws6 sitting in his garage. he has floor mats and trash all over it. its been sitting there for 4 years
paladain55 5 months ago
forums/special-edition-vehicles/834006-ws6-package
type in LS1tech dot com/ before that and add the dot html after it. it should take you to the link
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@hawk92rs Technically WS6 is just a suspension upgrade and they started some time in the 70's. I only know this because my friend has a 2.8L 84 Firebird with the WS6 package that he got out of a 88 bird, and it just consists of bigger sway bars and shit.
thirdgenguy17 5 months ago
@hawk92rs I have a 78 ta with ws6 package from the factory. So yes you are wrong.
Mean4valve 5 months ago
@Mean4valve wrong? hey dymbass readddd i said they made them in the 2nd and 3rd gen style but didnt make them in the 4th gen style until 96 or 97 so before you go callin someone out on being wrong read the comments
hawk92rs 5 months ago
@hawk92rs actually started making ws6 in 1996 .. jus saying
TheHoldini 5 months ago
@TheHoldini like i said in the 4th gen style it was 96 or 97 the dumbass who said he had a 93 ws6 is wrong,
hawk92rs 5 months ago
i have a 1998 ws6 myself, im in the navy and i dont have it with me right now but in a month ill have some videos of me and some of my friends racing, that kid is just and idiot, they didnt make a ws6 4th gen till 97, maybe 96, but def not 93 he obviously doesnt know what he is talking about
hawk92rs 6 months ago
@hawk92rs Are you serious. You cant see that its a 98-02 front end. The 93-97 had more of a point. It has the LS1 in it. Modded of course. Do I really need to share a link to a picture to show you that you are WRONG!! I was in the navy too, and I owned a 1999 WS7 (it was a formula converted to the WS6). Take a look at the vids on here of the WS6's. They all look the same.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler no shit, these dudes are smokin pole...i own a 200 t/a myself. this is without a doubt a 4g 'bird.
reignman2112 5 months ago
they didnt make the ws6 in 93 dumbass, it started in 97 showme a 93 ws6 and ill fuckin be amazed as shit
hawk92rs 6 months ago
@hawk92rs Thats a true statement. Good thing that its a 2000 WS6. Do you even know the difference in the body style? And you call me a dumbass for making a true statement. You should watch the whole video before commenting.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
haha a new 5.0 lost to my T/A by half a second. I wounder where they tested the 1/4 mile at because over here they hit 14's
Mr02Ws6TA 6 months ago
Sounds like rockets! What a beautiful sound!
Bighonkinwalrus 6 months ago
@1997DOHC
You should Wikipedia your knowledge. The 1997 GT and 1997 LT1 camaro/firebird both weigh 3300 lbs. And GM not only has about 40 more horse but another gear too. Then compare the 1998. The GT ups the HP to 225 @3300 lbs, while GM base LS1 is 305 @ 3450 lbs. So yeah I'll take 80 more HP for 150 extra lbs. So who is the moron now? Dumbass.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler I want 1/4 mile times, because horsepower is how you win shows...not races. Also, if you dig a little deeper it is found that Ford severely underrated their cars power to keep insurance costs low for the consumer and normally the rwhp was closer to the advertised hp. Chevy, not so much. I have owned a 97 WS6 and now own a 97 Cobra and they do not compare.
1997DOHC 6 months ago
transam ftw :D
Bayles20 6 months ago
well umm the prius is a 40mpg car...top that :p
youngmulaiswatigot 6 months ago
@ EVERYONE
Ford has always done more with less. Their new 5.0 GT's cost what? 35k fully loaded, and a fully loaded camaro cost 46k, a fully loaded pontiac g8 costs 40k, a fully loaded challenger costs 48k (ish) a BMW M3 cost well over 50k and which one will spank the rest in any kind of race? The cheapest of them all a Mustang GT. And oh BTW it is the best on gas mileage out of all of them... NEXT ARGUMENT!!! Do your research because that blue oval is the best
1997DOHC 6 months ago
@1997DOHC Sounds like a ricer comment to me. "do more with less". Why not get more with more? I wise man once said, "you have to pay to play". And once again...who gives a shit about MPG when you are talking about HP and TQ? Once again sounds pretty rice to me. Are you sure that you arent a ricer in disguise? Dont get me wrong, I love the new 5.0, and I love fords diesels. I have a lot of respect for anything that has torque.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler that is probably THE most retarded thing you could ever say...look at the one video that I have on my profile and tell me if it is rice you moron. Additionally, why would you pay more to go slower? The new Mustang GT 5.0 is the fastest, best handling sports car in america, and it cost less, and it gets better gas mileage. Now I'm not saying that I care about gas mileage, but it is kinda like an added bonus. Rice? Please! that is just common sense!
1997DOHC 6 months ago
@1997DOHC The one video on your profile has no relavence. We dont even see your car. So I cannot make an accurate judgement. And as far as the fastest best handling sports car in america goes, that title goes to the base model corvette. Anything above the base model I consider in the supercar category. If you dont care about MPG then why bring it up? And traditionally that 4.6L that you have in your precious mustang has been the runt of the american sports car market because its small
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@1997DOHC and because its small, you mustang guys have to make up bullshit ass excuses, well my engine is smaller, of course you won. Well, get a bigger motor then. Its a pretty simple concept. Apparently you cannot understand. Dont get me wrong, the 4.6L has its place, which is in the back behind the LSx powered vehicles, but I am very glad that ford finally decided to step up their game with a N/A motor thats very comparable to the rest of the sports car market.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler yep, just as i suspected, you have no idea what you are talking about. Even with the 'small' 4.6L 2valve found in the GT's they still put down against those LS and LT motors. Now throw the 4valve version found in the Cobra's and the fact that mustangs are at least 500lbs lighter than the competition and that is a recipe for Chevy and Dodge destruction. You should compare 1/4mile times from 1997 and up and get back to me.
1997DOHC 6 months ago
@1997DOHC hate to tell you buddy but i walked all over the new 5.0 mustang. i drive a '93 WS6 LT1 base built to LT4 357 stroker. i left that shit ford at the starting line and guess what!? i only have $1,700 in my whole car! with 94k miles on it.
customcraze65 6 months ago
@customcraze65 first off, no the fuck you don't have 'just $1700' into a 357 stroker. I once owned a 97 WS6 with an LT1, and stroker kits all by themselves cost more than that, not to mention the supporting parts that you would buy to compliment the stroker. And good job beating the new 5.0's it isn't that hard. That was never what i was trying to say. I was just trying to say that out of the new muscle (within the last 3 years) its the fastest, and cheapest, and as a bonus, gets the best MPG
1997DOHC 6 months ago
@1997DOHC Its not the fastest...cheapest sure (but you get what you pay for), and best MPG...once again, who cares about MPG. Stop talking about MPG. No one cares. And so what if he got a hell of a deal on his stroker kit. Chevy 350 parts are a dime a dozen just like parts for a 302. Cheap, easy, reliable.
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler okay then dude, since it's not the fastest, what is? And you guys are taking my comments all wrong. I do not care about MPG, I own a 97 Cobra that gets 13mpg for Christ sake. What I AM trying to say is that Ford makes the fastest car, with the smallest motor, and they do it the cheapest. And just as a caveat it gets better gas mileage, which is not a big deal, but its kinda an added bonus, get what I'm trying to convey here? Thanks
1997DOHC 6 months ago
@1997DOHC my car was already built when i got it. buy SVP motorsports in alabama. i traded around for almost 2 years until i ended up with my built WS6 and the car i traded for it, i only gave $1,700 for. ('88 iroc Z28 camaro T-top with 62K original miles.)
customcraze65 3 months ago
the guy in the cobra looks over like shit what was that? like shit im getting beat by the camra man
rangerpower11 6 months ago
Ford is the best maker of cars. the new 5.0 will stomp on any camaro, charger, challenger, what ever lol, pussy gutless gas guzzling engines
B1G3L 7 months ago
@B1G3L Dude, its an american sports car. Who gives a fuck about gas milage. In my opinion you discredited yourself when you mentioned gas guzzlers, you fucking prius driving hippie.
And no ford is not the best maker of cars. They have been the runt of the litter for as long as I can remember. The 302 mod for mod cant hang with a 350.
Dont get me wrong I am very happy that ford has stepped up to the plate with the new 5.0. But doing it with twin cam. Come on...thats not american
jwindbigler 6 months ago 16
@jwindbigler id sure as hell hope so that the 302 mod for mod cant keep up with the 350..now the 351, bye bye 350. remember the chevy 305? that was a joke of an engine that got walked all over by the 302. ford does more with less if you havent realized that yet.
airsoftg0d 6 months ago
@airsoftg0d the 305 tpi w/ 5spd in the 3rd gen camaros stock for stock the camaro was winning actually. pushing 230 hp and 300ft/lbs of tor. where the 302 was pushin 215hp and 295 ft/lbs of tor. the camaro was heavier but it was gear just right with a 3.42 rear gear stock where the mustang had a 3.08 rear
johnknight1981 6 months ago
@jwindbigler no kidding the old 302 couldn't keep up with the 350, do you hear yourself? 302 against 350?!? lets take the 351 and compare it to the 350. apples to apples
1997DOHC 6 months ago
@jwindbigler New 5.0 fucking shits on the new camaro and also the 302 shit on the 350 too and didnt always blow the fuck up shitty chevy's
DoctorNambu 5 months ago
@DoctorNambu Wow, what a tool. You are exactly what gives mustang owners a bad name. A kid with a big mouth, with absolutely no respect for the Muscle family. To all of those mustang owners out there, im sorry, im not trying to insult the mustang family. At the end of the day, they are still AMERICAN MUSCLE. But this guy needs to get out of OUR family. Its obvious that he doesnt know what he talks about. The 302 and the 350 are two of the best made engines....ever.
jwindbigler 5 months ago
@jwindbigler 350's blow up all the fucking time buddy don't spew shit strait out of your mouth
DoctorNambu 5 months ago
@DoctorNambu First of all, I did not come up on your wall talking all kinds of shit. YOU ARE. Second of all, if the chevy 350 blows up all of the time, then why are there so many trucks out there with a 350 in it and over 200k on the original motor. A buddy of mine has a 1998 1500 thats approaching 300k (i think hes at 293k now), on the original motor. So how can you say that they blow up all of the time? They dont blow up any more than a 302 or a 351. End of story
jwindbigler 5 months ago
@jwindbigler they made it like that, that way you have power in any gear. But i agree with you a single cam is better
sergsrt8 5 months ago
@sergsrt8 It was designed that way for better air flow. I mean 32 valves are way better than 16. But having the big bulky heads on there is a drag. Doesnt leave much room for a long stroke.
jwindbigler 5 months ago
@jwindbigler how's it not american? mostly all imports use the same technology as ford, AFTER it was brought to us BY ford. just because its a twin cam doesn't mean jack shit. just means we are one step ahead of you GM fags. i also beg to differ about your "runt of the litter". mustangs are far more superior than their competition. the 5.0, shelby gt500, saleens, not to mention the big daddy of them all, the super snake. stay in school little boy. your stories don't stick.
FlawlessVizionz08 4 months ago
@jwindbigler are you stupid? twin cam is an excellent design...and no, Ford has never been the runt of the litter...you Gm boys obviously have forgotten the bruises the 351C left you with.
wignigeater 4 months ago 7
@wignigeater Forgotten? Thats before I was born....I never even lived it. Mustangs have been slower than camaros/firebird since the early 90's, and they just stepped up thier game with the 5.0. Good for them though, they needed that. I at least like a little competition haha.
transamman305 3 months ago
@transamman305 lol a little competition lol wtf. Okay, the 96-98 cobra was faster than both the 97&98 z28 SS. yes the ls1 ss was beaten by a stock little 4.6l in the 1/4mi. Slower than them since the early 90s? haha, they lost money and didn't produce them past 2002 and just restarted them obviously. The 03-04 cobras are faster, the 5.0 is faster, the boss 351 from the 70s beat the c6Z in 1/4mi. k, I own 2 cobras and an ls1 camaro. i like the camaro, but d stangs are faster. I can prove it too
wignigeater 3 months ago
@wignigeater I agree about arguing but some of your facts are a bit off. The 96-98 cobra was slow as dog shit stock. They ran upper 13's. It would be a good race for the 97 camaro SS with the LT1 but would get wooped by the 98 SS with the LS1. And there is no possible way in hell that the boss 351 was quicker than a C6 Z06 in the 1/4 mile. What does the boss 351 trap? Because I know the C6 Z06 will trap around 125-128 mph.
transamman305 3 months ago
@transamman305 Look up boss 351 vs z6 z06. Then. look up the 98 ss vs 98 cobra....lol and the 97 ss had more hp than the 98 ss btw.
wignigeater 3 months ago
@wignigeater That boss 351 was completely modified, and the guy driving the Z06 was terrible. A C6 Z06 will absolutely kill that mustang with a better driver. The 97 SS did NOT have more HP than the 98 SS...trust me, I have friends that own them. I'm guessing the vid of the 98 cobra is a modded one too racing the SS. I'm talking stock for stock, and mustangs were dogs stock. Look up 1/4 mile times on google for both cars stock and you will see.
transamman305 3 months ago
@transamman305 Completely modified? It was barely modified. Trust me, the stock ratings are higher, lol......just type it into google. Yes, most ls1s are under rated, but then there are some that come out with expected numbers in proportion to their ratings. Oh, and it was a stock 1998 review by MW or C&D. The SS lost fair n square.
wignigeater 3 months ago
@wignigeater The guy in the vid with the boss 351 even says it's all modded compared to the stock Z06. If I drove that Z06 it would be in the low 11's. The mustang only ran a 12 something...and they were even slower stock. The Z06's have been known to trap 126 mph in the 1/4 mile...the boss 351 wouldn't even touch that. I have plenty of freinds with mustangs and LS1's. All of them will tell you that a 98 SS is faster than a 98 cobra, hands down.
transamman305 3 months ago
@transamman305 Sure, because your a pro at the strip...lmfao...well hands down the ls1 lost, so unfortunately for you that is not true. I'm not hating on ls1's, but they aren't that great, I finished a swap recently and have had an H/C/I LS1 before, it was fast, no doubt, but it is not unbeatable. I mean, c'mon my buddy with a stock 93 5.0 went 8.4 in the 1/8th....he beat 2 cammed LS1's at the track that were hatin' on his square lol
wignigeater 3 months ago
@transamman305 they ran 8.7s, he ran an 8.4, they had B.S. excuses, but that was what they ran all night...slicks, one an a4 the other a m6. They could have been faster, but they weren't...and lost to a stock 5.0.....yes bolt ls1s will go ~8.4-8.3 w/slicks...but that wasn't the case, sadly for them
wignigeater 3 months ago
@wignigeater Haha, your buddy with the 5.0 got lucky, because a stock 5.0 fox body is a turd. A stock LS1 would wipe the floor clean with one. For someone that has "owned" a H/C LS1 you sure seem to not know much about them. Your talking to someone that owns a turbocharged LS1 3rd gen TA, has driven fox bodies, vettes, camaros, S197 stangs, etc. I know my shit and what a car "should" run....and no stock boss 351 would EVER be faster than a C6 Z06 unless the driver sucked, end of story.
transamman305 3 months ago
@transamman305 Well, the races prove what is going on in the real world and not the fantasy ls1 world
wignigeater 3 months ago
@transamman305 Actually the Foxbody mustangs raped the 90's all the way up until the 03-04 terminator came on board, I've owned alot of mustangs and the 89-93 fox is by far the best platform they have had next to the terminator, so calling it a turd is just showing how clueless you are in the world of street cars and their potential, my newest one is a stock block and head motor w/factory cam and it put down 360hp/360tq to the wheels on 8lbs of boost, I eat camaros for breakfast buddy.
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU I'm talking stock cars here, not ones with boost. And you make 360 HP with 8 PSI....dude, thats pathetic. So your boosted foxbody is fast enough to hang with an LS1 camaro with bolt ons. Thats laughable. Get a real engine and then get back to me. Because that 360 RWHP foxbody of yours doesn't have a prayer against my boosted LSx TA. And you know what...a buddy of mine just bought a 6.0 LSX for his foxbody...you know why? Because he said 302's are turds...hes a ford guy too
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 LMAO fuck your gay ass camaro fagget! My 89 car is a completely stock block tuned for daily driving that still gets 25-20 mpg pussy, and as for your Camaros with bolt ons yeah fucking right bro, I have taken down 3/3 so far, they are just big slugs, my buddies 90 with a 100 shot of nos takes down built camaros all day too, we actually laugh at how fucking lame those cars are and how rediculous you guys look driving them, my car has gone 11.02 qm with basic suspension mods eat that
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@transamman305 Oh and tell your buddy to just get a camaro because he is going to get laughed out of town by both chevy and ford guys, fucking poser! Go back to sucking each others dicks and beating off to your justin bieber posters fucking homos. You guys don't know shit about cars. I'd really LOVE to see this "boosted" Cram Am you have. You can see my car on cardomain under chipstadley's 89 ford mustang, 11th from the top on all 88-93 stangs. BIATCH!!!!!!
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU LOL, your reply shows your age. And I know nothing about cars apparently along with my buddy, but we have the knowledge to put an LSx motor into 80's cars that never came with one. Makes sense. If you were smart you'd ditch that boat anchor 302 and get a real engine. My buddies 6.0 LSX with a cam only should put down over 400 RWHP...better than your boosted 302 turd. And BTW, LSx motors average 25-28 mpg on the highway with twice the power of yours, so go fuck yourself.
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 Anyone with any automotive knowledge can transplant a motor into anything, 302 a boat anchor? lol YOU ARE FUCKING HILARIOUS, you must know nothing about fords at all, a 302 can make up to 500hp on a STOCK block, 331-347dss blocks make upwards of 1000hp+ so get your shit straight. 6.0 with a cam? Thats like 50ci bigger than a 302 and my car made 360/360 through a trashed automatic and stock tq converter, since then I've changed it to a fully built AOD and 3200 stall, Makes more hp.
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU Another thing, once I put my 331 with afr heads and anderson blower cam in it, it'll make around 600 hp to the wheels, so fuck your whack ass 6.0, nobody cares about your joe dirt camaro, and your ridiculous idea to put a chevy motor in a ford. In my opinion, you have got to be one of the sorriest excuses for a car enthusiast ever, and I'm 28 motherfucker!
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU Joe dirt camaro? OK vanilla ice with your "5.0." Give me a fucking break. 80's mustangs are not exactly the shining star in fords lineup either and with all your BS camaro jokes there are just as many foxbody dirtbag jokes to go along with it. You think I havn't heard them all before? All that matters is that in the end, my joe dirt "camaro" will bend that stang over and rape it without lube. As far as the chevy engine in a ford...that'll be the fastest it ever was.
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 LOL keep dreamin bud.
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@transamman305 as for the fox being slow, MM&FF took a STOCK i said STOCK 302 based lx notch and put it in the low 11's without anything more than suspension and weight reduction, if your ta or camaro is so great tell me why there is no national ta or camaro magazine like mustangs have? Also tell me why chevy had to be bailed out and quit making the camaro for a while? Because GM sucks cock just like you and your downsyndrome lookin ass. Whos the hick Joe Dirt? U MY FRIEND ARE THE PATHETIC ONE!!
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@transamman305 Don't be mad that my 5.0 is fuckin beast, I know I know it hurts. Thats what happens when you build a real car, people gotta hate. It's okay though because I get to go out to my 3 car garage and crank that bitch up and scrap all those ridiculous little bowties while yours just sits in the garage and takes up space, do yourself a favor and keep it there because when you fire up those supposed 700 ponies that things gonna explode like a bomb went off under your foot. LMAO
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU How much is an aftermarket 302 block? Because I paid $800 for my 5.3 that has been proven time and time again to make 700+ HP with a turbo...on the STOCK BOTTOM END. Friend of mine built up a 347 stroker with top of the line ported trick flow heads, big cam, matched intake setup, etc. He made 400 RWHP...thats pathetic. Every 302 based motor I've ever seen has been a complete joke, and I seriously doubt yours is any different.
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 so like a 305? lol thats the weakest shit ever, oil burning pos, better get used to changing out valve guides homie, an aftermarket 302 block is bout the same price, and I highly doubt your car is going to hold together with 700 hp on a stock bottom end, better get a main support system buddy, as for your buddies 347 with heads and cam, 400 hp isn't even close that car should make 450hp easy out of the box, and 302 based motors have churned upwards of 300-1500hp broski, get right.
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU The 305 uses the same block as the 350 and 400. The 350 is a very reliable motor, so saying a 305 is shit is very ignorant. The 305 has a good block and can be reliable if maintained properly. Also, they can produce good numbers when built. Nothing like a 350 or anything but that's obvious with it lacking 45 cubic inches. Now, I'm all for bashing on Chevy guys when they deserve it, but don't say ignorant shit
blindskater200 2 months ago
@blindskater200 I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 305 is a pile of junk, its an oil burning pos, The block itself may very well be strong and buildable but the worthless heads chevy put on them are horrible, trust me I know I've owned two camaros, one was a 305 oil burning piece of crap and the other was a 350 based car that couldn;t find its way out of a paper sack, This is why I went with a 5.0 10 years ago and never looked back, I'll never own another worthless chevy car again.
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@transamman305 You can't compare a turbo motor vs. an N/A motor. That's just stupid. I've seen twin turbo 5.4L Fords produce 1500 HP and I've seen production N/A motors make around 300. There's a saying, "There's no replacement for displacement", this is wrong. A turbo or a supercharger can completely change the game. Why the hell do you think diesels nowadays are so fast and powerful? BIG ASS TURBO.
blindskater200 2 months ago
@transamman305 How can you say that your motor has "proven time and time again to make 700 + HP with a turbo..." when your car isn't done yet? Your most recent video, which was posted 11 days ago, was of your car with your turbo piping "mocked up". How can a motor prove itself "time and time again" within the 11 days since you posted the video of your un-finished car and motor set up? I'm not hating. Just want to know if this motor was in another car at some point or what.
blindskater200 2 months ago
@blindskater200 My same engine build has been done in more cars than I can count online. Stock bottom end, same heads, same cam, same head studs, and similiar turbo. There are tons of guys that make anywhere from 550 to 700 RWHP with a very similiar build on the stock bottom end. I know probably 5-10 of them who have had the motor going for a few years now, so reliability is not a big issue. It's a 5.3 LSX motor, not an old SBC 305, so it's a good bit stronger.
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 Well I know the 5.3 is not a 305, since a 305 is a 5.0 liter. But anyways, thanks for answering my question. One last thing - you can't really say YOUR motor has proven time and time again to make over 700 HP when you've never run the motor. Instead I would say "similar builds have..." so as to not start confusion as it had with me.
blindskater200 2 months ago
@blindskater200 Yea...technically mine hasn't yet. But it's a 36K mile engine and I have no doubt it's a strong runner since it currently runs. Just have to button up a few odds and ends and then it's tune time. It should put the hurting on almost any 5.0 I run into...
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 Well I certainly would hope so! Since you have all the power you need, traction is going to be your next big issue. Oh and wait til you run into a turbo 5.0 ;) that'll give ya some trouble for sure.
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blindskater200 2 months ago
@blindskater200 Just realized you own a 5.0 mustang LOL...that compliment I made was more for the tard that was going back and forth with me above you....and yea that turbo stang was pretty nasty....def an aftermarket block and fully built engine to be pushing that kind of power.
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 It was also twin turbo by the way. And don't worry about the comments made toward "the tard" :p I've heard plenty of jokes and such about 5.0's on YouTube that it doesn't even phase me any more. Every one has opinions. I haven't heard any shit talk about my car in person though, but all my friends want/drive rice burners so I believe they just don't want to race me when I finally get it finished lol
blindskater200 2 months ago
@transamman305 I see you finally stopped running your mouth about the 5.0's bout damn time, everyone has their likes and dislikes and opinions, I wouldn't have said another word to u but you had to pipe up and talk about the 302 being a boat anchor and a turd, in my opinion it's just the opposite but thats my opinion, I've had a couple chevies in my day one being a 396 60." over car with a turbo 400 and 4:56 gears 500hp, but my 360 hp mustang outran it at the track everytime, so I kept it.
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ShhhImKillinU 1 month ago
@transamman305 If ya gonna argue atleast know the numbers. People are mentioning 97ss which was avaiable in 2 versions. One being the LT4 which was rated at 330hp, LT1 were rated at 305hp with the optional slp exhaust 305 hp. Leaving factory freaks aside HP numbers were the same as the LS1. I have no reason to BS as I have owned a 94 Z28 and an 02 SS. My SS was 345hp stock with the SLP options and I couldn't touch an 03 Cobra but wiped the floor with every other Mustang on the road.
ftsk420 3 months ago
@ftsk420 Sorry typo it should read optional exhaust 315hp
ftsk420 3 months ago
@transamman305 oooooh gotta report someone when you don't like what they have to say huh? Well keep your closed minded comments to yourself then buddy, how you gonna talk shit to me and call me a kid when you are 26 and I'm 28 dumbass, And like I said before since u are obviously to dumb to read I do have a car and it's 11th on cardomain under 88-93 mustangs dumb fuck
ShhhImKillinU 2 months ago
@ShhhImKillinU Going back and forth is one thing in messages or on this vid, but when you litter every god damn video I have up and I have to sit and delete it all, then I get pissed. So what, I don't care much for mustangs...why do you think I drive a TA? Not everyone likes mustangs and when you act like a damn 15 year old I'm gonna reply to you like one. Argue like a man, not a baby.
transamman305 2 months ago
@transamman305 but fuck arguing over youtube about American cars....we are beating ourselves to piss and even outsourcing our "AMERICAN MADE" cars....LETS GET AMERICA BACK....FUCK THE PRIUS FAMILY!!! LMFAO
wignigeater 3 months ago
@wignigeater Fucking thank you. These 3 dumbasses have been littering up my wall about the whole MUSTANG vs. CAMARO/TRANS AM debate. Lets face facts. Im a chevy guy. However, ford is a better run company. The 302 is one hell of a motor. So is the 350. The LSx engine I like the best. A little known fact is THAT IS A FORD MOTOR. They were going to put it in their boats. GM bought the design and put it in the 97 vette. AND DONT EVER TALK ABOUT MPG'S WHEN YOU ARE TALKING MUSCLE. Who cares
jwindbigler 1 month ago
@jwindbigler Yup, BUY AMERICAN, pick one, fight...the rice
wignigeater 1 month ago
@wignigeater Agreed
IDontHateOnCars 1 month ago
@B1G3L Kill yourself. You can pull up in your mustang gt and ill pull up in my everyday and dust your ass. By the way, that would be an envoy's ass you will be seeing.
797ralbert 6 months ago
@B1G3L you know how fucking dumb you sound, american muscle bro = big motors not fucking 3.0l or some shit like that so who gives a fuck about gas milage.
ford- 4.6 or 5.0 thats pretty much it
chevy- 5.7 6.0 6.2 7.0
do some research first before you start talking shit.
ElPinanator 6 months ago
yeah the ford 4.6L makes 395 HP and the GM 5.7L makes 325 hp..... how do u say gm makes more power?
00saleen9244ssscm 7 months ago
@00saleen9244ssscm because its a 5.7 pushrod vs a 4.6 dual overhead cam plus a supercharger. kinda on different leagues
11cyrus11 7 months ago
@00saleen9244ssscm Thats the ls1 that makes 325 horses and you must mean the blown 4.6 right? The c5 ZO6 has a LS6 an upgraded ls1 with GM division cam, heads, exhaust and valves from the factory making 405 horses still a 5.7. You can upgrade every one of those parts aftermarket and get even more power.
luvscience44 7 months ago
@00saleen9244ssscm Easy, they dont have to use forced air to make 400hp. Ford had to until the remake of the 5.0. Gotta tip my cap to ford for finally getting into the game.
jwindbigler 7 months ago
@00saleen9244ssscm the ford 4.6l says that it makes 395hp for insurance purposes but its really closer to 450
TheZohaun 7 months ago
jwindbigler is right. the real enemy is the stupid sizzlers and their compact turds. and the swamp buggy crowd with their 4x4 cprices with step bars and brush guards. i am an owner of a 2003 mustang gt with a little 281 and a 85 monte ss with a beefed 350 an i lke em both
skaterbrains 7 months ago
It sure looked like the TransAm had already hit the brakes to slow down before you passed him.
MrBananamatic 8 months ago
Yeah that's definitely a Termi bumper. I have friends with both and the 01 has a slight curve and looks higher. The Termi's got a 'lower' profile with a thin chin spoiler. And jwingbigler is right, I love both GM's and Ford's it's a shame some are trying to bust nuts like fanboys. But maybe that's just me... since the majority of ppl around here have turned to hondas/toyotas
ShaneRaweewon 8 months ago
Line your little small block fucking 4.6 and put longtubes on it and I will walk you in my bone stock ls1
TTcamaroz28 8 months ago
@TTcamaroz28 My 4.6 3v with just a tune, xpipe and headers walked a Ls1 Trans Am that had headers and open Y pipe. I would post a vid after my tune but he since blew up his motor :/
leadsailz 8 months ago
The only reason 2011 camaros suck is because the car is to heavy.
TTcamaroz28 8 months ago
Sorry to bust your balls but that is an 01 Cobra.. thus no supercharger so its only got about 275hp, the top is down so yeah that creates a lot of drag and finally to all the GM lovers... GM is trash compared to Fords...
We're kicking your ass with small blocks, think about it.
superpornlover 8 months ago
@superpornlover Im sorry to bust your balls brother, but that was a termi. It had a stock supercharger. Heck I dont think that he even had it pullied yet. Plus you are over here talking shit about fellow muscle car enthusiasts. Why talk shit to your GM brother, when the real enemy is the Honda ricer punk asses. Think about it. Oh btw, GM has consistently made more power than fords. So how is that trash.
jwindbigler 8 months ago 18
@jwindbigler Obviously you didn't read my comment, of course you're going to make more power with a larger displacement...
superpornlover 8 months ago
@jwindbigler look at the 2011 Ford mustang GT 5.0L compared to the 2011 Camaro SS 6.2L, the Ford has more HP, and wins in the 1/4 with 1.2L less, so ya GM makes more power than Ford right?
cMiiKEc 8 months ago
@cMiiKEc How many years did it take Ford to come out with that motor?...BTW The LS3 is still more powerful than the 5.0 so his comment is factual. The 5.0 mustang is faster because it is simply a lighter car.
leadsailz 8 months ago
@jwindbigler idc what kind of badge it has.. i would drive both cars and any other american muscle car!!!
hotkarl92 8 months ago
@jwindbigler thats not a terminator you half wit. the car had 99-01 cobra front bumper hood rear bumper and side ground effects. stock it put out 305 hp and had a 5 spd trans and its a convertible which is even heavier nice try.
johnknight1981 7 months ago
@johnknight1981 You are an idiot. Look again. I saw exactly what it had under the hood and what front bumper it had. Open your eyes. It had a stock eaton supercharger, with a CAI and Catbak exhaust. Dont start whining because your precious terminator lost to a superior car. (in this case)
jwindbigler 7 months ago
@jwindbigler dont know how this comment got on here cause i didnt make it. I will make actions to make sure that it doesnt happen again.
johnknight1981 7 months ago
@johnknight1981 I apologize for that comment then. It was directed at the guy that posted it
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@johnknight1981 and how are you sir, call me a half wit. Clearly you are the one thats uneducated. A wise man once said keep your friends close and your enemies closer. So...FUCK YOU
jwindbigler 7 months ago
@jwindbigler that was uncalled for.
johnknight1981 7 months ago
@jwindbigler i agree with you about the muscle car enthusiasts part. i beleive in that also, but chevy has also been using bigger engines than ford.
airsoftg0d 6 months ago
@jwindbigler Good point, but how are the honda ricer punks your enemies? You can't blame Honda tuners for trying to make more power, that's what y'all are doing. They simply cannot afford a WS6 or a Cobra. Don't insult the people that have 30+ mpg cars that yearn for more power because, honestly, they MAY need more power, and obviously all the cars in this video DON'T NEED more power. Let the bashing take place among muscle car owners; leave the silly ricers out of it.
brentwood06 6 months ago
@brentwood06 You are right, I cant blame honda guys for wanting more power. What I hate about MOST not all honda guys, is that they run their mouths once they get a turbo, or swap a motor to gain a whopping 30HP (give or take depending on platform and what engine is swapped in there). So its not so much that I hate the cars, as I dislike the punks driving them. Thats all. And any V8 owner will tell you that more power is always needed lol
jwindbigler 6 months ago
@jwindbigler I can definetely agree with that. I'm not biased either way, I just know that *most* Hondas shouldn't even be mentioned when dealing with muscle-bound brutes that are shown here.
brentwood06 4 months ago
@jwindbigler Consistently more power with bigger engines yes. Yet never faster on the quarter until...... oh thats never cause if were comparing best to best the cobra comes in when the gt gets slower and rapes z28/SS shit.
jpbelyea 5 months ago
@jpbelyea Never faster in the quarter? You must be mistaking. The Cobra is very comparable to an SS or a WS6. The cobra has 320HP at 3430lbs, while the WS6 has 340HP at 3440lbs. So it has 20HP more with 10 extra lbs. And it is a 6speed vice the 5 speeds that came in all cobras until 03-04 where the supercharged cobra came with a similar T56 as the WS6/SS did in 2002. So they are so close that it really depends on who drives it, not so much with the car itself. So, YOU ARE WRONG!!
jwindbigler 5 months ago
I used Wikipedia as my reference.
jwindbigler 5 months ago
@jpbelyea What happens when that 350 gets some sort of forced induction as well? The numbers change.
Tyler8994 5 months ago
@Tyler8994 and u clearly didn't understand my post that is stock vs stock if ur gunna add what ifs then lets play sure ill give the a supercharger but to compensate for the displacment the cobra is now gunna need to be stroked out to 5.7. the numbers really do change and i believe after that u won't even be able to touch a cobra with a supercharged z28. cobra already has a good 80 to 90 hp just stock for stock. But stock for stock the cobra 03 04 was made not to lose to the z28/ss
jpbelyea 5 months ago
@jwindbigler GM also consistently has had larger displacement engines than the fords, hell fords largest engine in the sports cars is 5.4L...GM's is 7L...cmon mate, fords 5.0 makes the same power as an LS3 engine, the 5.4L s/c makes the same power as the LS7(?) and fords GT43 is on par with the ZR1 which uses an LS9 6.2L S/C 638hp motor...both do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds 1/4 mile in 11.2 seconds, Ford and GM both win IMO dodge is meh, and ricers can eat a D lol
ADD8oi 5 months ago
@jwindbigler but yet ford has the storied race history
irishmadman409 5 months ago
@irishmadman409 And you think chevy doesnt? Both ford and chevy have been known for their race cars. Heck, they wont let the Z06 (with the 500hp LS7) in the Le Mans series because it would be unfair to the competition. They both have positive aspects about them. I am a chevy guy, but I think that Ford is a better company with better engineers.
jwindbigler 5 months ago 4
@jwindbigler well im all american regardless i just like fords more
irishmadman409 5 months ago
@jwindbigler What's wrong with twin cam? I fail to see how it isn't american. 427 SOHC is still heralded as one the biggest and baddest engines Ford has ever produced. Let's not forget about the GAA (DOHC V8 for tanks)that served in WWI. Plenty of American.... its just not the usual tradition of what was seen normally in the stang.
Texarmageddon 4 months ago
@superpornlover Def a Termi smart guy lol.
JonathanRattayGT 7 months ago
@superpornlover
That is very obviously a terminator, go back to studying the mustang handbook my friend.
w00t692 7 months ago
@superpornlover
That is very obviously a terminator, go back to studying the mustang handbook my friend.
w00t692 7 months ago 9
@superpornlover thats y my 106k mile z28 hasnt lost to a gt mach 1 or svt cobra ill agree =]
patches1223 7 months ago
@superpornlover Your trash. Explain to me your theory about GM. Before you freak out and jump out of your seat and start sweating, dont think i have something against ford because i got pa's 94 gt 18,000 miles garage kept. Best car i ever drove
luvscience44 7 months ago
@luvscience44 Why do you call him trash? Because he likes GM instead of Ford? We are all in the same family. Knock this GM vs. Ford bullshit off, and start talking about how big of pieces of shit hondas are. I heard of a civic the other day pushing 25psi and only ran a 12.2. What a POS
jwindbigler 7 months ago
@jwindbigler I like chevy and ford more than any other makers its nothing like that. And he clearly says GM is trash.
luvscience44 7 months ago
Nice car, ugly wheels and convertible
MysticDMBherb 8 months ago
Wait i'm confused, neither won. did they race>?
jedwards09elmira 8 months ago
It has the heat exchanger in the front..
metzxmoto 8 months ago
It's a termi
metzxmoto 8 months ago
I have to say that looks more like a '00 or '01 Cobra.....The bumper and the whole back just doesnt look right to me
MrMustangFan17 8 months ago
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The WS6 would have been smoked if the moron could drive. Second he had his Top down which causes a lot of drag. Third change the pulley on the charger and you get 2 to 3 more psi of boost!!
aviator11301982 9 months ago
The WS6 would have been smoked if the moron could drive. Second he had his hood down which causes a lot of drag. Third change the pulley on the charger and you get 2 to 3 more psi of boost!!
aviator11301982 9 months ago
Dont matter, Clearly the cobra driver cant drive for shit.
xavair1 9 months ago
these cars are amizing.... The SS the Trans Am and the Cobra are all better in different ways but at the same time equally match. Just depends on the driver
cobraswat818 9 months ago
Looks like the Cobra has a pre termi front bumper? wonder why he changed it from the 03-04 bumper to that !?!
reverseoreo08 9 months ago
@reverseoreo08 it was a termi bumper. It was more rounded off. Its hard to tell in the vid the actual shape of the bumper. But it was a termi bumper, I assure you.
jwindbigler 9 months ago
The guy in the stang was like...whao where the fuck did these guys come from...Not a Terminator stang.. I am not a Ford expert but they are rare...and have body mods different that that car....not even the same hood.
g8joe 9 months ago