Sproul / Stein interview Part 2 of 3

[42lebenuniversumrest]

His chance analogy with the coin is nonesense. in the macroscopic world you could exactly predict a coin toss, alright. but in the world of quantum mechanics you can't. if i gave someone 2 radioactive nuclei, there is absolutely no way of telling which one is going to decay first and why. so at the very, very small scale, everything is in fact determined by chance.

[Pudabudigada]

Turning it on its head: If we are created simply on the whim, and as the playthings of, an intelligent being, where is our dignity? Our lives would be utterly meaningless, as we could make no meaning for them ourselves, it would simply be imposed upon us.

[Xenophile665]

"The point is, you are insignificant ... just accidents. What does it matter if we kill each other? ... We don't matter."

Sad that these two have to have a god in order to behave.

[Xenophile665]

If these two are referring to the "Big Bang," then they don't understand it to begin with. The Big Bang theory does NOT state that the universe was formed from nothing. They've created a straw man to tear down. Imbeciles.

[klaanderson3]

@Xenophile665 ...Hey there.. then where did the "stuff" of the Big Bang come from? Name calling is not nice by the way! I dare you to prove the bible wrong...matter of fact, if you knew the Bible, you'd realize the prophecies are coming to pass as we move into 2012...I hope you take that seriously! Ask GOD to reveal Himself to you!

[Xenophile665]

@klaanderson3 Where'd the "stuff" of the primal egg cosmology theory (aka, big bang) come from? I don't know. And neither do you. Calling Ben Stein an imbecile is neither nice nor otherwise, it's simply the truth. I do know the bible, and the prophecies ... well, you show me in the OT where the messiah was to "be called a Nazarene." Matthew 2:23. I DO take it seriously; I'm seriously concerned about mass delusions.

[JamesMorlan]

@klaanderson3 said, "I dare you to prove the bible wrong."

You must be new to YouTube. And the Internet. Poke around a bit. It won't take long. Really.

[klaanderson3]

@JamesMorlan ...so sad to be so arrogant...silly one!

[JamesMorlan]

@klaanderson3 LOL! And to think I could be as arrogant as you if I only believed in a god.

[wholaughslast8228]

scientist will spent a thousand years climbing a mountain and when they reach the top they will find a priest waiting for them.

[JamesMorlan]

This interview is so laughable. It is funny how people who don't believe in science can sit around and paint this picture about how something came from nothing (something science has NEVER stated), yet they themselves are quite happy with the prospect that "God did it." Is it any wonder they are considered buffoons when talking about how God created everything out of ... wait for it ... NOTHING!?

[millball]

@JamesMorlan If you can laugh at logic friend, you're beyond deluded. I don't believe for a second that God created everything FROM nothing. He created everything FROM HIMSELF [HIS POWER]. Go rewatch clip1 about where information comes from! It didn't come from lightning striking a mud puddle a gazillion years ago. Now, to the truth - God calls you to Repent of your sin [cussin,porn,taking his name in vain etc.] call on the name of Jesus to save you from God's wrath and follow Jesus! Acts3:19

[JamesMorlan]

@millball It's not logic I'm laughing at. LOL

[klaanderson3]

@JamesMorlan ...very sad...they did not say they did not believe in science...science can not account for intelligent design...which is what this universe, world, and human existence is made of! God is the only all-knowing being...not man!

[JamesMorlan]

@klaanderson3 Of course science cannot account for Intelligent Design, for Intelligent Design is just another name for Creationism, an idea that is not supported by any evidence. Science is evidence-based. Your claim of the existence of God presumes that a god exists, but no one has yet established that; insufficient evidence. Man created God, not the other way around. God is an idea, and it is used as a crutch to fill in the gaps where people do not yet understand.

[klaanderson3]

@JamesMorlan ...man is so arrogant to presume they could ever create God...Hum?

[JamesMorlan]

@klaanderson3 As I said, God is an idea, not an actual being. It doesn't exist. Not the Christian god or any of the thousands of other gods that people have believed in or do believe in. You really should broaden your perspective. To claim superiority just because you believe something that you want to be true doesn't make it true or right and frankly makes you come across as a bit of an ass. Jesus would be displeased.

[ultrakool]

rc is brilliant. a true giant in the arena of theology and philosophy

[1sciara]

Many times, we need to stop trying to understand things that are well beyond our comprehension and "BELIEVE". Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

[frost122585]

Also what is funny is that Darwinists get angry at creationists when they speculate that species might have been specially created out of nothing. They refuse to consider the possibility that a man could be brought forth out of dust by a God or whatever. But on the other hand they are perfectly fine with the idea that the entire universe, and everything that is in it, came out of and from nothing whatsoever. So a man coming out of nothing? NO WAY! The entire universe out of nothing? Absolutely.

[RoyalGrigsby]

@frost122585

While it requires faith to accept creation out of nothing, it is at least conceivable as an act of God (or anything distinct from the universe, in fairness). But a godless universe out of nothing takes absurdity to a whole new level. And wasn't it Hume who said that a miracle is acceptable when its negation requires an even greater miracle? And the problem gets infinitely worse for one with a commitment against having faith......

[frost122585]

@RoyalGrigsby This is Nihilism. It comes from existential pessimism- those who are so pessimistic about the possibility of life having an objective purpose that they reject the idea out of emotional hopelessness. What is interesting about this is that those hopeless people are committing the Catholic sin of disillusionment- which is giving up on God out of one's own selfish pride and egotism. So the absurdity comes from the rejection of the highest of values- the infinite creator with a purpose.

[frost122585]

You mean to tell me these guys are not chance worshippers?! How rude.

[aredeemed1]

I've learned from David Berlinski to avoid using the word "chance" in the evolution discussion, but instead I refer to, "pure, dumb luck". People understand that better and don't give it the "power" they give to the word, "chance".

[Aociardha]

The most frequent word used by evolutionists is "probably". Put a few probablys together and what have you got? Nothing !

[yellowraven8]

these guys are soo inteligent and I love it.... Bravo !!

[mariner499]

@bigboytenor You are right! By "never studied physics or math" I meant "never understood physics or math." The proof of that is in nonsense that they are bringing up. The whole discussion of coin flip and "chance," for example, is an unholy union of ignorance ("randomness does not exist"), misunderstanding ("chance has no power") and logical fallacy ("we can predict a coin with greater than 50% chance by observing it, therefore it is deterministic").

[mr4thq3]

I get my laughs from people that comment on this video about how it is full of lies, but they never say what the lie is or how it is a lie. Nice comments, way to preserve your brainpower for something else

[warzoneG5]

@mr4thq3  hahahah so true

[83Hammerhead]

why do believers always have to lie, distort the truth and misrepresent science and scientists to get a point across? isn't lying a really bad sin in their view?

[mariner499]

Two people who have never studied physics or math beyond high school (if that) are discussing the origins of the universe! Mechanical universe arguments! Good for a laugh, I guess.

I think physics 201 students should get an assignment to disprove the BS in this video for a grade.

[Squish888]

@mariner499 What about when he does interview highly educated persons?

[bigboytenor]

@mariner499 Clearly you didn't pay attention to the videos in this series. R. C. Sproul referred to his college science class at one point. What proof do you have that neither of them studied physics or math beyond high school? Answer - NONE.

[marvgh]

ok so even if you did have all of the info pertaining to the coin toss, newtonian information following newtonian laws accounting for relativistic change and so on, still there's a distinct posibility that the coin shall fall on its edge, so no chance is not 50/50, but, if you account for quantum fluctuations then change DOES have power over the outcome! that is why the universe is NOT deterministic as newton predicted, and chance plays a VERY important part in the universe

[Purushadasa]

Craig never said it, and you have failed to provide evidence that he did. You are obviously lying.

atheist total fail

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa LOL! As I've said 2 or 3 times, it is manifestly true that Craig justifies slaughter of Canaanites in Deuteronomy since the Jews had a "divine command" from Yahweh to do so. I just thought it was a nice counterpoint to your "witty" moment from WLC. Whatever you do, don't bother reading it all at WLC's site. What you should do is just keep typing "atheist total fail" and saying that i made it up. LOL!

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa And really I'm not being completely fair to Craig. He's just philosophically musing, after all, which is no big deal. But to my original comment, i guess I just don't get why a person who believes in virgin birth, re-animation, walking on water, holy spirits, and beings who exist outside time and space would nitpick about logic. Am I wrong here? What purpose does logic serve in a world in which natural laws don't apply to everyone?

[Purushadasa]

Information is a form of communication, which necessarily implies a giver and a receiver of the communication. ALL laws contain information, and ALL information comes from an intelligent mind or intelligent minds.

Therefore, natural laws have a natural lawgiver with intelligence. Otherwise, there would be no source for the information in the laws.

A lawgiver, like a king, is not subject to his own laws -- he can suspend them. God can suspend natural law easily.

atheist total fail

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa Well, unless we're YT friends I can't send a message, so here's the best bit: "On divine command theory, then, God has the right to command an act, which, in the absence of a divine command, would have been sin, but which is now morally obligatory in virtue of that command." Just search WLC's reasonable faith site for '5767'. Enjoy.

[Purushadasa]

Also, spontaneous appearance ex nihilo is a theory that would require the suspension of natural law in order to be implemented in reality. In other words, atheist dogma requires a miracle to be true.

[Pudabudigada]

@Purushadasa This may be an old comment, but the magnitude of its factual error has not decreased. As long as an imbalance isn't created in the universe, it can do whatever it wants, c'est a dire: from nothing may come pairs of particles which mirror each other exactly, if recombined, they cease to exist. They add up to nothing, from nothing has come nothing, in total, but this nothing is made up of two opposite somethings.

[Purushadasa]

William Lane Craig says something very witty about the magick of darwinism -- that it's even more ridiculous than entertainment magick, because with entertainment magick, we at least have a magician, a rabbit, and a hat, but the magick of darwinism posits the spontaneous appearance of a rabbit with no hat, and no magician! LOL

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa Yes, terribly witty. But you should hear what he says about divine commands. He says that killing someone as a result of divine command to kill them is not actually killing someone! HILARIOUS!

[Purushadasa]

@drumrnva He never said that -- you just made it up.

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa In fact he did. I can't post a link here, so I'll send you the link from his site reasonable faith. BTW, I'm not sure what it does for you to make allegations of me having no sense, but that's not why I'm here. If you think of this as some sort of competition (which seems clear from the use of "fail", etc) then bark up some other tree. I still don't understand what a supernatural believer has for logic. An all-powerful god supersedes logic, surely.

[Purushadasa]

@drumrnva No, he never said that. Again, you clearly just made it up.

atheist total fail

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa Listen, if you want to hash it out with the facts, go right ahead. Leave me out of it. It's right there on his site in black and white, and he's repeated it in debates on youtube.

[onevision1991]

How did god come into existance?

[Purushadasa]

@onevision1991 You have failed to provide evidence that God ever "came into" existence (spell check). Therefore, nobody is under any obligation to answer your silly, irrational question.

Conversely, modern science has proven conclusively that the universe did indeed come into existence, and Theists have the answer to the question of how the universe came into existence (ID), but the atheist fails to have any answer to that question.

atheist total fail

[sKewbrain]

atheism is irrational but convenient.

[imsuckingwind]

According to Helen Balvatsky, Dawin got his ideas on evolution from the Hindu religion.I dont think ive heard anyone comment on this.

[onevision1991]

@imsuckingwind Because its not true, he notices the variation in hundreds of different types of finch's whilst on a trip around the world.

[Purushadasa]

@imsuckingwind For complete information on that assertion, please see my video, "❤ EVOLUTION IS A FACT ❤ "

PS -- It's not from the "Hindu" religion, it's from the Vedic Scriptures, which were revealed by God.

God bless you!

[ytany84]

Makes sense. An intelligence created intelligence. I'm not Denying evolution I just deny the Neo-Darwinian philosophical interpretation. They not only say species but extend it to origins.

[DandBMonk]

@ytany84

Why not outright deny "macro"evolution...that's the evolution that most Atheists support. I deny it, once being a supporter of it, because it fails miserably. There, as Darwin said, should be millions upon millions of transitionals...the fossil record, which Darwin said would yield millions or none, destroys Darwin's Theory of Evolution, because there's no links...none. People forget one thing also...Darwin's book is called The ORIGIN of Species...origin...not progression.

[impiouspuppy]

@DandBMonk When people like you display their complete lack of education and understanding in things like evolution, it makes it difficult to take anything you say about religion seriously. Evolution does not equate to atheism, just as 'believing' the earth is round doesn't make you an atheist. Although many atheists may have similar views, the ONLY thing that makes one an atheist is not believing the assertion of there being a god or gods.

[ytany84]

@DandBMonk - I agree I only accept the evolution that's observable, that is, viruses/bacteria changes within a species, etc... Macro-Evolution, that is, Universal Common Descent fails because the fossils record should, as you said, show a huge succession load instead only few hundreds out of the millions of species in existence.

[DandBMonk]

@ytany84

Yesss...someone who actually looks at the evidence! It's not hard to see that Darwin "did" aim to explain the "origin" of species...not merely the process, so yes...Atheism is equated to Darwin's Theory as well. I just wish I could understand why it's hard for Evolutionists to see this failing of the Theory when it applies to what you just stated? I noticed it, and I couldn't help but notice it! LOL! But I guess now I'm just delusional, huh Mr. Dawkins? Wonder what that makes him?

[studentofthegospel]

I love his summary of chance.

[ultrakool]

@studentofthegospel

I agree. sproul has a teacing series called "defending the faith" during which he expounds on the element of chance. he succinctly decribes it as nothing...or, not a thing, but a concept with no power to bring anything into being, let alone the universe. well worth checking this series out.

[DrStevenz]

Tis a sad situation when materialism is equated with science by the cowardly and deranged.

[DJCJester]

Out of nothing will come nothing. So, where did God come from? He must have been created too. Oh yeah, he came from your head. Pray and pray, but if you smoke you get cancer, if you jump into a canyon you die, and if you live long enough your consciousness fades (adding doubt to afterlife consciousness e.g. heaven.) Everything has an ending. Live! Don't be scared of it.

[studentofthegospel]

Why does consciousness fade? What causes things to age?

[DJCJester]

Just as every living thing develops slowly over time, everything also deteriorates. Cells die, tissues become less affective, and organs shut down. Our brain (the source of our consciousness) is just one of those organs, and it too deteriorates. That answers how. "Why" would be a mystery that I'd acknowledge complete uncertainty, and if you say God made it that way, I respect that belief, but there is no well demonstrated reason to think that. My issue is with them demanding faith is logical.

[studentofthegospel]

There's the rub. It's the why we want to know, and no amount of science, or even "science" can ever give us that answer. Purpose must be found elsewhere, or not at all.

[DJCJester]

Yes, science doesn't tell you how to live your life. Science makes observations. "Purpose must be found elsewhere, or not at all" is a poetic truth, but I sense that your insinuating this purpose is, or should be God. Again nobody has ever demonstrated that is the case.

[jsteck1956]

@studentofthegospel Read the book of genesis, and beyond if needed as God explains this in detail. Death became necessary with Adam and Eve's sin in the garden. Sin causes death! Death of cells, etc. Jesus by fulfilling what Adam could not brought every human being a way to defeat death/sin by faith in what he accomplished by way of the cross.

[geneUA]

How come part 3 has more viewers then part 2?

[TomMurphy28]

God is eternal. No beginning, no end. God created out of the abudance of His love and power.

Totally lines up with a scientific worldview, but ex nihilio origins of the universe defy logic.

[drumrnva]

@TomMurphy28  Why would anyone who believes that natural laws can be suspended employ logic?

[Purushadasa]

@drumrnva Why wouldn't he?

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa Because if one's going to believe in things unsupported by evidence, then logic makes no difference.

[Purushadasa]

@drumrnva You have failed to establish your personal belief that the suspension of natural laws is unsupported by evidence.

Logical evidence for the suspension of natural law is that all laws contain information and therefore must necessarily have an intelligent lawgiver, and the lawgiver has the authority to suspend his own laws, just as no king is ever subject to his own laws, but his laws are always subject to his will.

Same applies to all natural laws.

atheist total fail

[drumrnva]

@Purushadasa The leap to a lawgiver doesn't make sense to me. Gravity does what it does. If it did something different, we probably wouldn't be here to comment on it.  I'd never say that the suspension of natural laws has never happened, or couldn't happen....but it does seem rather compelling that nobody's ever reliably recorded a miracle, doesn't it? In this age of handheld recording devices, security cameras everywhere....you'd think we'd have seen one by now.

[Purushadasa]

@drumrnva There was no "leap," but I'm sure a lot of things don't seem to make sense to you. In order to make sense of something, you need to start off with some sense in your head.

Plenty of people have reliably recorded miracles. You have failed to establish otherwise, so no, your foolish claim is not compelling at all.

atheist total fail

[ultrakool]

@TomMurphy28 here's a trip for you, ponder this...DMT (dimethyltryptamine) is a naturally occurring substance produced and found in plants and the human brain. it is non-addictive and you use it every time you dream (and purportedly, in copious amounts, when you die). it is said to be the most mind expanding hallucinogen known to science (abusers report of "entities" speaking objects/matter into existence) trippy stuff. so if demons can do that, why couldn't their creator? he did it first

[luker4459]

Ben stein is such an idiot. He's babbling on about how people who accept evolution are closed minded and that we think the universe was magically poofed into existence from nothing when that is exactly what his god hypothesis states.

Evolution says nothing of how the universe came into existence, or even how organic life came into existence. Ben stein thinks "darwinism" is meant to explain everything.

[Thisiskeith1]

But when evolutionist's start saying there is no God, they then need to answer for things like how the universe came into existence etc..

[stuckmode]

where is the difference in asking a christian who created god? super god? its a never ending regression. the only difference is that scientists are 24/7 trying to find out what happened. religion closed the book on trying to figure it out a couple thousand years ago.

[Thisiskeith1]

God had no begining, therefore God has no creator, first 4 words in the bible "In the begining God" :P

some christians yes close the book, but dont forget there are some very promenet Christians in the science feild like Francis Collins, Hugh Ross, John Polkinghorne etc..

To me it woud seem many secular people have closed the book on God, miricales and a spiritual world. I would recomend listen to Ravi Zacharias on youtube or reading one of the men's listed above books.

[Thisiskeith1]

Also i forgot to say, the universe didnt create God, He created it, therefore he exists outside of its laws and time, now that makes you think outside the box.

[ProudConservative2]

Absolutely, and the athiest scientists CAN'T do it... and they never will!

[drumrnva]

@Thisiskeith1 Evolution has nothing to do with origins. It's a theory developed to explain the spread of species on this planet.  Darwin said nothing about the origins of life.

[Purushadasa]

@drumrnva Therefore it is an incomplete notion, and so it should be dismissed.

[drumrnva]

@Thisiskeith1 Evolution is a theory which attempts to explain the spread of life on the planet- no more and no less.

[MrAllthewayornoway]

But COMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!

Who created the creator then????

For fuck sakes, they throw around the designer which would be a infinitely complex creature? Where did that come from? What created it? You cant get a God our of no God.

[Dwrancho144]

God created the ability to create

[MrAllthewayornoway]

You are creating a sentence which, verbally gives meaning, but in reality you are saying nothing at all, because in the real world what you just said has no meaning.

But hey, ill give you the fact that you are a dimwit.

[Dwrancho144]

I answered you question!!

God created the ability to create.

but here is a question for you

I the universe came from nothing .

then when was it that this "nothing" said "Hay, how about a create a universe"

you say God doesn't exist

I would say God is the only thing that truly does exist.

[luker4459]

How was god created then?

[Dwrancho144]

how was the ability to create created then ???

[thaArtiste]

the notion of creation is a definition bound by time and space and thus physical, if indeed there is a GOD then HE is NOT bound by time or by the physical universe, but is spiritual, SO if GOD is metaphysical and beyond time, then HE can be the creator and have existed for all time, HE can be eternal... can he not?

[KanineKruizer]

8:21 to about 9:10.

Ben Stein cuts to the heart of the matter: accountability. If we as humans are random then we have no accountability, therefore live as you please.

Start out at 8:21

[soccerwez1]

They're the first ones to ridicule creationist, but they never see their own illogic at play with their "high church atheism", and worldview.

It goes something like this:

"I don't believe in objective moral truth, just moral opinions. But I believe my opinions are better then yours, so I will limit your freedoms, choices, and liberty, for my own!! All in the sake of TRUTH!!"

Which according to them has no ultimate meaning, purpose, or significance, outside of themselves. LOL Good stuff!

[soccerwez1]

Sproul and Stein hit the nail on the head with this section. Most naturalists didn't even believe in a self-existent eternal universe until recently, yet they still had their "don't question" dogma even back then.

The Psychology and morality of most atheists is also beyond amusing. From the peta pushers, to the big gov't socialists and the climate change nuts, etc.

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[cperez1000]

Here are a pair of monkeys trying to reason.

[jazztrumpet87]

Hahahahah!! YES, this is two monkeys trying to reason.

Does RC Sproul: the whole comment about a Nobel prize winning professor and "gradual spontaneity" kinda comes off as saying: "Here's a really weird sounding technical term that i'm proud to be ignorant of."

[aspensink]

cperez1000, can you plz elaborate on why you think 2 monkeys are trying to reason? :) You only made a statement with nothing to back it up so that we can discuss the validity of your statement. :) Thanks!

[Barker346]

And here is a monkey commenting on a monkey who is commenting on the two monkeys :)

[cperez1000]

Here are a pair of monkeys trying to reason.

[bads06]

I hope thunderf00t or Dawkins debunks this... he might even make "Why do people laugh at Creationists... The Movie!!"

[eonuk]

I'm really confused...

Ben said a university lecturer in scientific philosophy said "Chance" as the reason how the universe was created. I think the lecturer is wrong, I don't think it stated in any textbooks that "chance" is put forward as a possible reason for the creation of the universe.

So all the picking holes in "Chance" is pure deception not based on science. He should be picking holes in the Big Bang theory which is the theory most supported by scientific evidence.

[albybabeee]

1.)i think Sproul said that, not Ben.

2.)Some name A."spontaneous regeneration" and others retreat to B."quantum theory" as a buzz word for "chance" in so-called higher education

3.)here's my construction:A.something can come out of nothing.B.quantum theory can demonstrate how something can come out of nothing.C.Therefore- the universe may have come into being because of chance via quantum theory.

4.) one must pick holes in chance because chance cannot account for "anything" whatsoever.

[MrsTechn9ne]

why is it so hard for people to believe that there might be a higher power...whats so bad about that?

[mjd9208]

There is no evidence to support that idea and all of the evidence supports the opposite. Thats why. There is no 'good' and 'bad', only right and wrong. Truth is not a democracy. Paranoid fantasys do not help mankind.

[irishmafia241]

"when you dont know what causes something you say 'well it happened by chance'"

hahahahaha, how about this one Sproul, "when you dont know what causes something you say 'well god did it'"

[Mavster101]

This is a classic debate on the difference between knowing and believing. Humans have, through scientific research, given design to biological processes. Nobody will ever be able to prove the origin of everything, from nothing. Even if a higher entity designed us and our world and everything we know today, what brought about the higher entity?

[EtreTocsin]

Well, the "higher entity", as you put it...is beyond the realm of time which HE created. The universe is NOT God, but merely his creation. It is difficult, for us in this finite linear existence to comprehend such things. All of us will, at one point, know there is a God. Through us and the infinite, is the eternal. God is, was, and will forever be. 'Eternal' is also a difficult concept to grasp, but that answers your question about God. As it is written: "If you seek, you shall find."

[insultabsurdity]

you just contradicted yourself- If god exists outside our comprehension, then there is nothing to seek & find.

[EtreTocsin]

I am afraid you do not comprehend my statement at all based on your comment...but for the sake of your humor, I will respond anyway: There would be nothing for US as individuals...but God would still exist. I have, in no way, contradicted myself or the truth. Please re-read my initial statement or the Bible to see the error of your thinking.

[tetralophodon]

he exists out of human comprehension yes, but guess what else does, higgs boson partilces. we dont "understand" it, so should we just stop looking for it

[EtreTocsin]

First of all, if you actually READ what I said...you will see that insultabsurdity twisted my words and DID NOT quote me correctly! I NEVER SAID that God existed outside our comprehension!!!! Learn to read people!

[EtreTocsin]

I NEVER said God existed outside human comprehension. Learn to read.

[insultabsurdity]

You just contradicted yourself- If god existed, outside our comprehension, then there would be nothing to seek, nothing to find.

[aspensink]

except that the "higher entity" reveals Himself in the bible. :) But, good catch insultabsurdity on the "if this higher entity is outside our comprehension then there's nothing for us to find" The cool thing is that He allows us to know about Him and to know Him. :)

[EtreTocsin]

First of all, if you actually READ what I said...you will see that insultabsurdity twisted my words and DID NOT quote me correctly! I NEVER SAID that God existed outside our comprehension!!!! Learn to read people!

[WilloBording]

Having only watched the first 3 mins, i'm confused.

I thought Ben Stein was supposed to be pushing the idea that 'God' created EVERYTHING out of NOTHING, and all the evidence conflicting with this view simply arose out of chance.

But here, these two agreeable men seem to actually be supporting evolution by acknowledging that something CANNOT come from nothing, and that we did not arise out of CHANCE, as the theory of evolution would agree.

Chance < Natural Selection

[broj8s8n79]

Awesome video!!

[bigduggieface]

At the 8-minute point, I heard the words "Darwinism is the deathblow to humanity".

Those are the most ill-informed and preposterous words I've heard yet. Evolutionary biologists, molecular biologists, and ALL scientists are ridding the world of disease and breeding productive agriculture using the Darwinian method as a framework.

Stop criticising Darwin and show me how Stein's alternative theory is helping anyone. Anyone....Anyone...Beuller...

Don't believe a word of this interview.

[sonnyg2006]

Every law on earth was written by a law giver, country, region, county, traffic,etc. every building, every thing you know in your house, your job, etc, was designed before it was. to believe that not only you, but the universe, so complex we cant eevn fathom, or ability to love, to be human, etc is a random chance is the most foolish, ignorant ting I can think of. Its really WAY more unreasonable nuts then the opposing view.Its crazy. I mean really

[bigduggieface]

Not the old 'law giver' analogy again! We, as humans design things. This is the very heart of the reason that humans are so successful. We find it hard to look at anything without asking what it's 'for', what the motive for it is or the purpose behind it. It's only natural. Our pagan ancestors may have asked for what purpose thunder, eclipses, volcanoes and diseases are for.

How did the Universe come to be? Who knows! Saying an invisible man made it all seems an unsatisfying answer.

[sonnyg2006]

we do not design almost everything. in fact, id say your ability to design is a law or skill, you didnt design. HELLO? did you design gravity, the laws of physics, your eye, sexual reproduction, no, none of that, did you or any human design. Our ability to design is very limited, and in comparison to the things around us, very insignificant. YOU however show one thing humans are good at. Arrogance.

[bigduggieface]

Are you saying that my ability to design was designed by a designer who himself needs no designer?

The Universe is a mysterious place. You can't just fold your arms and say 'God did it'. Saying YOU KNOW without providing evidence seems arrogant. I DON'T know.

Despite what Ben Stein WANTS you to believe, Darwin's theory only explains the biological world. It NEVER addresses origin of the universe or origin of life.

It explains the complexity of life. It's not some evil work of Satan.

[WilloBording]

"to believe that everything is a random chance is the most foolish, ignorant ting I can think of"

I can think of something MORE ignorant: To wrongfully assume that the ToE suggests that everything is the product of random chance, without doing a shred of research on the matter yourself.

All the ToE states is that when a living org reproduces, chance plays a role in the genetic variation of the young, which we'd all agree (mutations), and from here natural selection filters out bad variations.

[teton99]

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Proponents of ID have never dismissed evolution completely, and it does exist, we do see changes in species, but evolution can't explain the origin or beginning of life. Check out the DVD Unlocking the Mystery of Life; you can get it on Netflix. At least it will give you a better idea of where some of these scientists are coming from and what made them change their minds.

PAX

[teton99]

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p.s. I don't even think they mention God in the DVD, they just their findings. It doesn't throw religion at you.

Have a good one.

[bigduggieface]

Thanks, I'm very familiar with the DVD, ID's claims and I've read Behe's first book. I think you may not be familiar with what evolution theory states. It only explains the DIVERSITY of life, not the ORIGIN of life.

I'd like to offer an opposing video to you, if I may. In YouTube, search 'war on science, intelligent design'. PBS has made a video a few years ago about the ID/evolution controversy.

If you're getting your science facts from Stein's ID movie, I suggest you get a second opinion.

[teton99]

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 Thanks,I will check out.

Have a good one.

[pawnshop2525]

they said the death blow to human dignity, not the death blow to human kind. the notion that humans are no more than extremely complex chemical reactions completely destroys human worth. if that is infact what we are than there is nothing "wrong" with me killing anyone for whatever reason i want, or even if i want to eat them because im hungry. bec they are simply genetic material that can prolong my "life." also it would say i have no will its just chemical reactions if i know one thing i know

[pawnshop2525]

that i have a will of my own.

[MRKetter81]

Even from a scientific stand point you can't deny predestination. Cause and Effect is a clear part of everything in matter and existance. Right down to every synapse in that brain of yours. Down to even the subatomic particals; ALL a subject to cause and effect. ACTION and REACTION, are clear evidence of distict and undisputible ordor, that even you're very thoughts are a subject to.

Your "will" is pushed around like a reed in the wind, and always will be.

[damialni]

Ben Stein has become a useful tool for the ever evolving creationist movement, now operating under the name of intelligent design.

[johnnyfever68]

Damialni - your so called term the Creationist movment was what the United States Constitution was founded on. Why is even a debate on Evolution so Dangerous? Let me take a wild guess, you believe Global Warming caused by man is 100% true? Watch the movie " The Great Global Warming Swindle" to shread that argument then do the reasearch on the USA's founding fathers... Open your eyes

[damialni]

johnnyfever68 - The US Constitution is a secular document inspired by the enlightenment, which btw, was the downfall of the pre-evolved modern creationist movement.

There's nothing dangerous about a debate on evolution, so let's have one. First though, you'll have to promise not to lie like Ben Stein and company did in their film.

Oh, and please explain what global warming has to do with anything I've said ...Bueller...Bueller...

[CBALLEN]

Energy can neither be created or destroyed....The universe is not eternal,it had a beginning...God is eternal and it was He that was the power that created the universe,He hung the planets and stars on nothing and put everything in motion and He holds all things together.If his restraining power was removed,the universe would burn with fervent heat.

[pedertyve]

Jesus Christ, this conversation has no intellectual density...

[ofssk]

Onya Benny GO BOY

[babystinky]

The designer is the explanation, you don't ask for an explanation for the explanation. However notice the hypocrisy, atheists would be comfortable believing the universe is eternal, just so long as it isn't God!

[ThinkerHA]

"Nothing could possibly come." (00:38)

Then how'd the designer come about? If something is intelligently designed then who designed the designer?

It cuts both ways.

[dhermant]

Apples and oranges. The 'designer' always was, because if he wasn't, then you're right, he would be 'self created' and that defies logic. If something could always 'have been' then that knife does not cut both ways. That's an explanation I stole, and probably related it poorly, but if you believe in God, then you can believe he is eternal and not self created.

[DaveGrossmanSoloBass]

Even if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was design behind life and/or the universe, this says absolutely nothing about the existence of "God".

This is how shoddy the ID argument for God really is. Even if the premise is confirmed, the conclusion is still unsupported.

There are many other possibilities for the designer or designers of the universe and/or life. The idea that this designer must automatically be the God of the Bible or any major religion is wishful thinking

[realityeaters]

I challence you to stop right now and ask GOD

to show HIMSELF to you in a big way...

so that you may no only know that GOD is real

but that HE is the great designer of everything...

[fraaaaczak]

Is that why rabbits eat their own feces to keep themselves hydrated? or it must be why rodents must regularly wear down their teeth to prevent them from curling up and drilling into their brain? or should I list the countless other examples of poor design in nature? I could even go off about structures in the human body.

[pikechris1]

ben stein, you are evil, oops, i shouldnt say evil, you are very, very confused... lo! ;-)