on Smashboards, they officially announced that on January of 2012, meta Knight is banned from all tournaments in the US and canada. take of this what you will.
This video is kind of old and I just clicked this link from the "Banning Meta Knight" thread and I have ALWAYS been a non-supporter of those who wanted to ban meta knight
however, in full honesty, after reading the whole argument you guys made (all 7 or 8 parts) and watching this video...I support you
PS) I still main MK xD
but i finally understand why he should be banned, the difference is too large, even between 1st and 2nd tiered
C'mon this is pointless, meta knight isn't overpowering, in fact meta knight users are easiest for me to beat, and I use pikachu. meta knight isn't over powering, just easy to get used to using. he WILL NOT be banned.
@TheRazorLazer hmmmmm ...... you are correct mk will never get banned but he is over power, you just face TERRIBLE mk mains. his nado is broken and his stalling ability, his dsmash is very fast and can kill around 80% if not staled.
F@#% you! I can beat meta knight, and you didnt tell the oter side of the story, meta knight has great recovery moves but his attack mooves and smash atracks lack alot of power, like ike packs one of the biggest punches in brawl but when he falls off the map ur screwed,
@MicroOrginisum mk smash attacks are quick.... even tho he lacks power his speed makes up for it and he has a very good edge guarding game. ike is just terrible when recovery. its way to easy to pick on it..... mk>ike by alot....even tho ur post is 9 months ago
meta knight shouldnt be banned if u people think meta knight is so broken and unbeatable that he should be banned u obv suck meta knight is as good and as crap as all the other characters ( meta knight is the main character i use cause hes my fav)
Wow that's crazy. You start to wonder whether or not this was intentional or not. And since Sakurai is behind Kirby and everything, you wonder if maybe he purposely gave his favorite character superior abilities.
But if they make another Smash Bros I'm sure this will be fixed
Although I lack the ability to play in tournuments (*in background, someone's laughing very hard*) Meta Knight's my main, and I'm kinda shocked that people want to ban him (althogh secretly, I'm watching the examples to gain knowledge on how to kick my brother's ass)
Apparently I didn't know as much about MK as I thought I did. I understand it's not completely possible to balance a video game with such unlike characters but while prototyping the game the developers could have foreseen SOME of these unique capabilities that, under skills and schematics, MK could potentially exploit. But looking back at a past trailer on the update site (before the game was released), MK's Drill Rush attack did a hefty 32% on Wario. Apparently he was toned down. The result /\
teirs r 4 queers btw... its all about MU's and MK is broken cuz he has no bad MU's snake is almost even, idk about the Yoshi on FD MU cuz of grab release CG, MK vs falco Is almost even... but meh idc
I don´t know why the developers make shit of the previous top tier characters to "balance" the game, while they miss to balance the new ones. I´m still mad for what they did to Kirby on Melee and for what they did to Link in Brawl.
I agree that MK should be only temporarily banned, to allow the babies that use MK in online matches to make themselves look good (I am NOT talking about the people that DON'T simply use him for his unreal recovery) find another character to lean on.
Had I known MK could do this when I first started Brawl, he would have become my main at the start, however I'm a Pokegirl and went for Pikachu. I can't imagine using any other character as a main, I'm too used to Pikachu and it's hard for me.
Meta Knight should be banned, especially since I know too many people that use two charcter only, and one of thems meta knight, and the other is a noob spam character.
@ch8l7e Like the Ice climbers? When I look at the finalists from official and low scale tournys most of them use either MK, Snake, or the ice Climbers, Snake and IC's are more bareable, but MK is always involved, this just proves that to win any tourny you have to follow the stupid norm and abandon all the mains you love so dearly.
I can beat all of my friend's MKs with Wario, Kirby and Ike. The little bugger is annoying, but once you reach pro status then he's just a tough nut to crack ;P
@soulforged789 yes, but in id level, he is a monster. I am upper-mid level, and this kid with no skill in smash can beat me using MK ( he thinks a smash attack is a final smash. Noob.)
Im always supporting the Pro-ban movement. I went to A-kon and got shut out in the Bral tournament by a generic Pro-brawl MK user. If MK was banned I would've went a lot farther.
Okay, so he's obviously pretty damn ridiculous, and the pro-ban side WON the poll. Super-majority bullshit or not, how are we still not even CONSIDERING banning such a clearly broken-as-hell character?
Okay, so he's obviously pretty damn ridiculous, and the pro-ban side WON the poll. Super-majority bullshit or not, how are we still not even CONSIDERING banning such a clearly broken-as-hell character?
@elkappaPAINT I think they arent even bothering with the issue because now they have a reason to drop it with this majority Bullshit. sure the pro-ban side won, but the mods, admins, and Tourney Hosts must've thought it would be too much of a "hassle" to ban MK.
i agree with this video, and other reason should his ability to momentum cancel very quickly, al of his attacks are ridiculous fast, he can reach 200% easily without diying with DI and Momentum Cancel, plus all his attacks are WAY good recoverys, in the tournament ill host, he´ll be banned.
if you wanna play online, send me a pm or post in my channel.
no one that plays with me picks MK anymore cuz after 5 seconds of dealing with MK's annoying attacks, i convince all the other players to team up and kill MK so the rest of us can actually have fun. if people are going to ruin the game by spamming MK then im just going to get everyone to kill him.
MK has all of that but also has weaknesses have you tried hitting him from above or from below while he is doing his tornado have you blocked his drill attack with ANY good projectile like Pit's arrows or Samus's power missile have you attacked MK as soon as he starts his shuttle loop or after he finishes it MK HAS ALOT OF WEAKNESSES he may be a good character but he is almost defenseless against projectiles
Ok, MK has an amazing recovery and can do many tricks but I'm not convinced this makes him completely dominate the competitive scene. He has weaknesses--for instance, he's light so as long as he gets nailed by a solid hit at moderately high percent, he is dead (his recovery can't save him).
It's the proper word. You rarely hear good MKs complain about weight as a one of his weaknesses. That's because good MKs know that he has little to no weaknesses.
Low power? Are you kidding me? MK's game is completely focused on getting your opponent off-stage and then edgeguard/gimping them to death. You rarely see an MK KO someone with a kill move outright. MK is unmatched off the stage and good MKs abuse this to the fullest.
well there is momentum cancelling which allows him to live up to 150
and strong attacks are often slow leaving him hard to hit with them and weak attacks which can't kill oh that and once your in the air your dead and can't fight back... he's quite cheap ***
I really dont think he needs to be banned. i do think he is one of the best characters because of all the things youve mentioned and more. i dont play MK but ive beaten plenty of them and a ban would just be stupid. unless it is Physically Impossible for Metaknight to lose, then there will be no ban. i use Marth, Fox, Olimar, Falco, ROB and im very good with other characters as well. the A tier is my favorite.
also, Marth has the advantage over Metaknight, ObsePrincess. Grab release combos :3
MK rapes marth LOL. Grab release combos get messed up with platforms, and they're not even that good compared to what mk can do lmao. They're just a saving grace, making this possible for marth to have a shot @ winning. Anything marth can do, mk can do better. MK can actually kill marth, bc all his shit is safe on block. Marth misses a smash, hes geting but raped by mk's punish
When are you going to make a new one? You need to cover his overall moveset. Frame data, best priority in the game, quickest attacks in the game, best mometum cancelling, light weight, no bad match-ups, etc.
well In my opinion, MK needs only a temporary ban, each time I see more and more MKs on tournaments, and well, It just bores me fighting that character, I know Im gonna lose to him, but still, I dont care losing to him, Its not that my opponents more skilled than me, its just his character.... so Id say, temporary ban, so players can get used to use another characters
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dude stop being a fucking faggot and just let people play with whoever they want in a tournament! metaknight has advantages but he has disadvantages as well. if you cant deal with them that means you suck ass at this game and should go suck some more fucking cock like youve been used to all your life.
Fucking complainning motherfucking bitchass hippie cock sucker. its people like you that make playing tournaments fucking annoying. FUCK YOU FUCKING COCK SUCKING FAGGOT!. Ill beat your ass with MK
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yeah yeah fuck you. you suck ass. Iv gotten beat plenty of times using metaknight and iv beat plenty of people that use metaknight. If you want him banned it just proves that, your a bitch. Your a bitch in the videogame world, and that makes you alot more pathetic than a regular bitch
i started loling when you said he had disadvantages. :p. He has no bad matchups and momentum canceling stops his light weight and his range and speed is long enough to give him no need for a projectile. Please sir if you have no idea what your talking about don't post. Also lets try to be as mature as possible and not use curses because your frustrated. Honestly >_>
um, mariolinkgenofan you can suck my big black cock you limp dick motherfucker. if its a big character facing metaknight all it takes is one good smash attack to kill metaknight, despite his amazing recovery. Iv beaten high ranking metaknights with donkey kong and ike. you all bitching to ban metaknight just makes you all whiney little bitches who cry when they cant beat a character then try to ban him
hey why cursing and insulting me when we can have a mature conversation and not be douchbags? YOU KNOW PROVE YOUR THE BETTER PERSON AND HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!! Also you obviously have never fought a really good mk and unless you went to a pro tourney then you probibly shouldn't talk and act like you know everything and treat us like bull****. I'll be happy to brawl you and show you mk's potential
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I know mk's potential dumb fuck just like all characters have great potential if you know how to use them. fuck you bitch ass pussy. your all more immature than me because your trying to ban a character that you can beat if you just try
Yup you just proved how much more intelligent and mature you are by cursing like a brat. Happy, Proud of yourself? <_< Please perhaps we can have a mature conversation and at least agree to disagree instead of a flame war being held.
I love MK, but yeah, ban him. If people want to play the full roster at a tournament w/o items, then it's honestly time to move on to Brawl+ and/or BBrawl.
Sorry haters, but you can't fight destiny for much longer. You'll get tired of this BS faster than they'll get tired of tweaking it. That's the truth!
This is pointless. Sure Metaknight was blessed with many options but he's not strong. And guess what, he's light as shit too. Every fighting game has a semi dominant character. Why is there so much complaining with Brawl? If you don't like him don't play the game. I personally love him. He's my favorite matchup in the game. Playing against a Metaknight for me is great. Less scarier than a campy snake by far. I could go on all day.
I assume by that you mean your favorite REALISTIC matchup, right? As characters like, say, ganondorf tend to have matchups that make anything you see among competitively viable characters look tame in comparison
He obviously got his ass kicked by some pro Falcon and Ganon users in Melee. And last time I checked, it was good to have someone who is actually good at playing videos games to make them. I've seen him play and he's garbage.
Nice job balancing this game Sakurai, with MK, Snake's retarded hitboxes, random tripping, a horribly undeserved nerf on Captain Falcon, King Dedede's chain grab, and chain grabs on Wario, Lucas, and Ness thanks to their abnormally long grab release animations, not to mention infinites. Bravo, Sakurai, bravo.
MK is so in need of banning. I knew this before this video, but now I don't feel bad telling my noob friends that they only use MK b/c they hate to lose.
That's metaknight's infinite cape glitch. It's well known and banned from tournaments so idk why it's even posted in a video meant to persuad players to ban metaknight from tournament play.
Because you can't at any point prove someones using it. Someone could use it for a minor advantage thats not noticable. Hell, I've done infinite cape glitch before and nobody noticed.
wow, you pro ban people who want to ban metaknight are faggots, this is just a fun game turned bad by tourneyfags and whatnot with safe options, counterpicking, metagame , and other made up tactics.
I'm ok with people having a big amount of love for the game, but this is going too far and is turning this into another Smash Bros Melee with regular tournaments turning into fag drags.
I hate the tournument players hate here....... you play your way, we'll play ours.
I hate how people think they know how the game was intended to be played.
It's sickening, the fact of the matter is, the developers or whatever you call them wanted to make a game to put a smile on people's faces, make money, and make people happy.
Wether that be 1 v 1s with no items, or FFAs with Items on high, we our way you have your's, deal with it.
I do feel that metaknight is too good, and banning him would make the tiers more "balanced". However, if he didn't have so many ways to keep away from the opponent, and if he was purely an aggresive character with several drawbacks, he would have been a great character.
I think the problem with Metaknight lies in the fact that Brawl has more of a "campy" fighting style, and the rules force aggression on people just to make the game work. He is able to abuse the true flow of the game well (HnR).
thats because akuma's biggest weakness is he has no defense and has easily avoidable attacks. while mk is to cheap since u can basically camp and almost never die and because he is quick it's almost impossible to hit him with a slow character. besides street fighter sucks
Actually, Akuma didn't have the "no defense" thing going on until later editions. Originally, he didn't have those weaknesses in Turbo. :O He was just one on-going wave of "win." Even if a person played a "perfect" *Insert the vast majority of the cast* they STILL wouldn't win. That's why he was universally banned. Even in Japan, they had a soft ban for him.
I don't think a few (one in this case) people beating someone proves that MK isn't an absurdly overpowered character though. I mean, wouldn't that simply prove how good ALLY is? Ally is one guy. Although, I can see where you are coming from; and I'm not completely in disagreement. I could see a ban in the same regard as Garchomp from Pokemon. Not that he's unbeatable, but it over centralizes the game because he's a bit too good. MK similar to that... Kind of...
BAN META KNIGHT!!! WIthout him brawl would be pretty balanced. Not very but enough I think people would find fare. LETS NOT wait until BBrawl BAN HIM!!!
Metaknight is so broken. He can punish you for any mistake you make. His moves are unpunishable because even if you AD or SD he can punish you. AND on top of that he doesn't have to spam to win.
Actually, O Fortuna is a song in the opera Carmina Burana by Carl Orff. However, unless Deathnote did some serious modifications, I don't think this is exactly O Fortuna. It sounds alike, but the middle section is nothing like the original.
Ah, you're right. The song definitely isn't O Fortuna. For some reason thats the first thing that came to mind (It was late at night when I said that).
I found the original song's title. The song is cleverly named "Death Note Theme".
P.S. The song does have a similar sound to O Fortuna, and the beginning of "DN Theme" plays out very similar to how O fortuna does. Replace the song in this video with the other song and it'd practically have zero changes mood-wise =P.
So sheik didn't have any disadvantages either! Besides if anything MK is a challenge and you should embrace the fact that it takes skill to beat MK! This video seems to under mind that the brawl community is full of skilled none MetaKnight users. He is not impossible to beat. Second Brawl is all mind games and spacing so the smarter player wins! Unless you yourself truly believe that you are not intelligent enough to beat him then be my guest. P.S I Don't use MetaKnight!
This response is not at all to cause offense or an argument. The game isn't ALL about spacing and stalling and such, it's an important factor yes but it's not the whole purpose. she did have plenty of disadvantages in melee and there are a lot of forums on it. The point of ban isnt that hes impossible, but that he's so broken and is significantly ahead of the rest of the tiers, it ruins the tiers for the rest.
I'm not a big fan of banning MK, but this definitely is a good argument for banning him. It's true what they say at 3:48. MK is basically impossible to edgeguard. In a game where edgeguarding is basically half the battle, this makes a pretty hefty argument.
Uh, just Woi off the ground and refresh, then you Woi > jump .d jump glide . Woi again. One might argue that you touch the ground just after the first Woi in which case I would simply say that's the beginning of the jump.
Jump, double jump, glide, WoI, refresh (though that technically counts as landing, even if you let that slide), midair jumps, WoI. It would be really close. But even still, that requires ground to wing refresh.
Wing refresh + Carefully timed F-air before WOI time goes out + jump + jump to glide (glide at a slow, slightly horizontal elevation to the point where Pit flies slower + last jump to WOI.
Pit should be able to make it if done right, I can send replay to Rogue if you're curious.
Most likely you used the Hyrule jump clip as another example to show how broken MK's recovery is, correct?
Sigh.... this is why I hate tournament rules. They restrict the game too much. What ever happened to playing brawl for fun?!
You can only go to about 3 stages.
The items that make the game more hectic and fun are baned.
People believe the tier list tells you who you can and can't play as.
And now they're removing characters?!
Now I'm no pro when it comes to playing as MK, but I can't stand this. By removing MK you remove 1/35 parts that make this game so great.
Linkachu710X 4 months ago
Can't you use a more legible font?
GuyWithASword 4 months ago
So where's part II? :D
PieDisliker 4 months ago
READ THIS!!!!
on Smashboards, they officially announced that on January of 2012, meta Knight is banned from all tournaments in the US and canada. take of this what you will.
fawfulmark2 4 months ago
It may come true now... it just may...
MarioLinkGenofan 5 months ago
EPIC DEATH NOTE MUSIC
o yah, and mk is waaaaaay imba. all who oppose need to learn to play the game
DaFatChikin 5 months ago
One word: Pit.
Pit could do all of that too, just as easy. Case closed.
Roniquis 5 months ago
@Roniquis one word: nado
mk kills pit, mk can take down most of pits recov, if pit gets hit EVEN ONCE while hes using his recovery, he cant recover, case closed.
1570shadow 5 months ago
lmfao wut a bunch of noobs who want to ban mk LOLOLOL
SolidSoul40373 6 months ago
@SolidSoul40373 They should ban YOU for having such horrid grammar.
solerek 5 months ago
@solerek yeah i 4got its teh internet. ill type out evrything just 4 u :)... and lmfao i can tell ur a noob
SolidSoul40373 5 months ago
Holy ****... HOW THE **** DOES HE DO THAT?!?!?
Luigifan18 8 months ago
Post
Luigifan18 8 months ago
Ohai MK Tutorial.
DieDieHero 9 months ago
This video is kind of old and I just clicked this link from the "Banning Meta Knight" thread and I have ALWAYS been a non-supporter of those who wanted to ban meta knight
however, in full honesty, after reading the whole argument you guys made (all 7 or 8 parts) and watching this video...I support you
PS) I still main MK xD
but i finally understand why he should be banned, the difference is too large, even between 1st and 2nd tiered
KingdomHeartz93 9 months ago
66 meta knight players have watched this video
lol
1234solon 10 months ago
C'mon this is pointless, meta knight isn't overpowering, in fact meta knight users are easiest for me to beat, and I use pikachu. meta knight isn't over powering, just easy to get used to using. he WILL NOT be banned.
TheRazorLazer 10 months ago
@TheRazorLazer hmmmmm ...... you are correct mk will never get banned but he is over power, you just face TERRIBLE mk mains. his nado is broken and his stalling ability, his dsmash is very fast and can kill around 80% if not staled.
1570shadow 5 months ago
:O My god... That's insane! YEP! Meta Knight is not invited to meh party!
TheSlothStyle 10 months ago
someone PLEASE inform me what the music used in this video is
ElSteeler 1 year ago
@ElSteeler OST of Death Note
You can't defeat Meta Knight, umad?
joacomail73 11 months ago
F@#% you! I can beat meta knight, and you didnt tell the oter side of the story, meta knight has great recovery moves but his attack mooves and smash atracks lack alot of power, like ike packs one of the biggest punches in brawl but when he falls off the map ur screwed,
MicroOrginisum 1 year ago
@MicroOrginisum mk smash attacks are quick.... even tho he lacks power his speed makes up for it and he has a very good edge guarding game. ike is just terrible when recovery. its way to easy to pick on it..... mk>ike by alot....even tho ur post is 9 months ago
1570shadow 5 months ago
lol
Sheecacaa 1 year ago
meta knight shouldnt be banned if u people think meta knight is so broken and unbeatable that he should be banned u obv suck meta knight is as good and as crap as all the other characters ( meta knight is the main character i use cause hes my fav)
InfamousSTH 1 year ago
@InfamousSTH :D Derp?
TheSlothStyle 10 months ago
Wow that's crazy. You start to wonder whether or not this was intentional or not. And since Sakurai is behind Kirby and everything, you wonder if maybe he purposely gave his favorite character superior abilities.
But if they make another Smash Bros I'm sure this will be fixed
LlTHIUM 1 year ago
@LlTHIUM Look at melee, Sakurai's character is obviously biased in that game.
amonitas 1 year ago
@amonitas Kirby?
LlTHIUM 1 year ago
@LlTHIUM Yes
amonitas 1 year ago
Although I lack the ability to play in tournuments (*in background, someone's laughing very hard*) Meta Knight's my main, and I'm kinda shocked that people want to ban him (althogh secretly, I'm watching the examples to gain knowledge on how to kick my brother's ass)
XD
Tehpillowstar 1 year ago
O.O bann him! u convinced me! only some days of practice, and any n00b could recover from ANYWHERE!!!!
enorma29 1 year ago 4
SAAAAKUUUURAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIII!
mrfamous333 1 year ago
Meta knight rules
gmanhax 1 year ago
Apparently I didn't know as much about MK as I thought I did. I understand it's not completely possible to balance a video game with such unlike characters but while prototyping the game the developers could have foreseen SOME of these unique capabilities that, under skills and schematics, MK could potentially exploit. But looking back at a past trailer on the update site (before the game was released), MK's Drill Rush attack did a hefty 32% on Wario. Apparently he was toned down. The result /\
icewaterdragon01 1 year ago
teirs r 4 queers btw... its all about MU's and MK is broken cuz he has no bad MU's snake is almost even, idk about the Yoshi on FD MU cuz of grab release CG, MK vs falco Is almost even... but meh idc
AGENTDOUBLED 1 year ago
Hey everybody! Instead of arguing over this and tiers, why don't we just enjoy the damn game?
Commander6444 1 year ago 4
Why can't everyone just use their favorites? .___.
Varce 1 year ago 5
Meta SHOULNT be banned
shinypokemon493 1 year ago
I don´t know why the developers make shit of the previous top tier characters to "balance" the game, while they miss to balance the new ones. I´m still mad for what they did to Kirby on Melee and for what they did to Link in Brawl.
lucemonfalldownmode 1 year ago
I agree that MK should be only temporarily banned, to allow the babies that use MK in online matches to make themselves look good (I am NOT talking about the people that DON'T simply use him for his unreal recovery) find another character to lean on.
Had I known MK could do this when I first started Brawl, he would have become my main at the start, however I'm a Pokegirl and went for Pikachu. I can't imagine using any other character as a main, I'm too used to Pikachu and it's hard for me.
iloveshiloh1 1 year ago
Meta Knight should be banned, especially since I know too many people that use two charcter only, and one of thems meta knight, and the other is a noob spam character.
ch8l7e 1 year ago
@ch8l7e Like the Ice climbers? When I look at the finalists from official and low scale tournys most of them use either MK, Snake, or the ice Climbers, Snake and IC's are more bareable, but MK is always involved, this just proves that to win any tourny you have to follow the stupid norm and abandon all the mains you love so dearly.
KrodaStagg 1 year ago
I can beat all of my friend's MKs with Wario, Kirby and Ike. The little bugger is annoying, but once you reach pro status then he's just a tough nut to crack ;P
soulforged789 1 year ago
@soulforged789 yes, but in id level, he is a monster. I am upper-mid level, and this kid with no skill in smash can beat me using MK ( he thinks a smash attack is a final smash. Noob.)
ch8l7e 1 year ago
DEATH NOTE <3
holl0wed 1 year ago
Im always supporting the Pro-ban movement. I went to A-kon and got shut out in the Bral tournament by a generic Pro-brawl MK user. If MK was banned I would've went a lot farther.
KrodaStagg 1 year ago
How was he able to do the up B recovery 3 times at 3:4?
neelsooon 1 year ago
@neelsooon once in the air, then landed on the main floor then landed on the floating ledge.
Tightness8 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Okay, so he's obviously pretty damn ridiculous, and the pro-ban side WON the poll. Super-majority bullshit or not, how are we still not even CONSIDERING banning such a clearly broken-as-hell character?
elkappaPAINT 1 year ago
Okay, so he's obviously pretty damn ridiculous, and the pro-ban side WON the poll. Super-majority bullshit or not, how are we still not even CONSIDERING banning such a clearly broken-as-hell character?
elkappaPAINT 1 year ago
@elkappaPAINT I think they arent even bothering with the issue because now they have a reason to drop it with this majority Bullshit. sure the pro-ban side won, but the mods, admins, and Tourney Hosts must've thought it would be too much of a "hassle" to ban MK.
KrodaStagg 1 year ago
i agree with this video, and other reason should his ability to momentum cancel very quickly, al of his attacks are ridiculous fast, he can reach 200% easily without diying with DI and Momentum Cancel, plus all his attacks are WAY good recoverys, in the tournament ill host, he´ll be banned.
if you wanna play online, send me a pm or post in my channel.
See you around...
2WIRE311 1 year ago
This reminds me of the discussion of how Rogues were broken in the early World of Warcraft.
It's the fucking same thing.
astrojunkey 1 year ago
no one that plays with me picks MK anymore cuz after 5 seconds of dealing with MK's annoying attacks, i convince all the other players to team up and kill MK so the rest of us can actually have fun. if people are going to ruin the game by spamming MK then im just going to get everyone to kill him.
xRogueGeassx 1 year ago
I dont think MK should be banned I use Peach and I think its one of the more fun match-ups.
BOOBOO3976 1 year ago
What a bullshit character. I wonder what it would be like if MK died, in real life...happy!
He single handedly ruins the game, no fun to play in any way.
gronk24 1 year ago
MK was my first character, I used him on launch day, I am NOT giving him up.
jonathanwlu 1 year ago 2
MK has all of that but also has weaknesses have you tried hitting him from above or from below while he is doing his tornado have you blocked his drill attack with ANY good projectile like Pit's arrows or Samus's power missile have you attacked MK as soon as he starts his shuttle loop or after he finishes it MK HAS ALOT OF WEAKNESSES he may be a good character but he is almost defenseless against projectiles
OneTrueBlaze 1 year ago
his down b doesnt make him invinvible, only his idc does, which is what i bet it meant anyway...
GanonkingAkatsuki7 1 year ago
Sukurai Knight is too broken... ^_^ we love MK, you love MK ? ?
rhrp25 1 year ago
And this is why Brawl is a joke. MELEE FOR MLG!
CraZyDaVey31 1 year ago
Sweet stuff, if only more people had logic like you. Is there a part 2 or something? Am I just missing it?
gronk24 2 years ago
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You're all pussies for even wanting to ban MK.
xxHolyxxWolfsbanexx 2 years ago
Fiction is faaaast
Toya3816 2 years ago
And this is just one part. lol
gigaguy101 2 years ago
ban mk
firefort345 2 years ago
Ok, MK has an amazing recovery and can do many tricks but I'm not convinced this makes him completely dominate the competitive scene. He has weaknesses--for instance, he's light so as long as he gets nailed by a solid hit at moderately high percent, he is dead (his recovery can't save him).
Noc0002 2 years ago
Mk shouldnt get hit by a kil move, he can get out of any fucking bad situation because of his retarded specials, jumps, & glide
fasadasman 2 years ago
He might be able to evade kill moves better than most characters due to his small size and priority but he can't completely evade them.
Noc0002 2 years ago
The fact that he has the quickest momentum cancel in the game kinda negates the weight argument.
lamdash 2 years ago 4
Negate is a strong word. Another weakness he has is overall low power; dsmash and shuttle loop are about his only finishing moves.
Noc0002 2 years ago
It's the proper word. You rarely hear good MKs complain about weight as a one of his weaknesses. That's because good MKs know that he has little to no weaknesses.
Low power? Are you kidding me? MK's game is completely focused on getting your opponent off-stage and then edgeguard/gimping them to death. You rarely see an MK KO someone with a kill move outright. MK is unmatched off the stage and good MKs abuse this to the fullest.
lamdash 2 years ago 4
Even though he is quite good at edgeguarding/gimping, the fact that he relies on this to get kills is a weakness.
Noc0002 2 years ago
Well the thousands of ways to do it kinda make it unpredictable... meaning yeah when you fight a good mk you're screwed
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
well there is momentum cancelling which allows him to live up to 150
and strong attacks are often slow leaving him hard to hit with them and weak attacks which can't kill oh that and once your in the air your dead and can't fight back... he's quite cheap ***
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
@MarioLinkGenofan so i main toon link and mario and i live up to a maximum of 180 past that its just pure luck OR the opponent sucks
OneTrueBlaze 1 year ago
I really dont think he needs to be banned. i do think he is one of the best characters because of all the things youve mentioned and more. i dont play MK but ive beaten plenty of them and a ban would just be stupid. unless it is Physically Impossible for Metaknight to lose, then there will be no ban. i use Marth, Fox, Olimar, Falco, ROB and im very good with other characters as well. the A tier is my favorite.
also, Marth has the advantage over Metaknight, ObsePrincess. Grab release combos :3
yeahgetit123 2 years ago
No fucking way marth beats mk
MK rapes marth LOL. Grab release combos get messed up with platforms, and they're not even that good compared to what mk can do lmao. They're just a saving grace, making this possible for marth to have a shot @ winning. Anything marth can do, mk can do better. MK can actually kill marth, bc all his shit is safe on block. Marth misses a smash, hes geting but raped by mk's punish
MK fucking destroys marth
fasadasman 2 years ago 7
Marth's pretty much just a shitty version of MK but without the specials and the jumps ... So yeah, no.
lamdash 2 years ago 15
When are you going to make a new one? You need to cover his overall moveset. Frame data, best priority in the game, quickest attacks in the game, best mometum cancelling, light weight, no bad match-ups, etc.
ObesePrincess 2 years ago
What the hell was that at 3:56? I've never seen that.
MrYourWelcome 2 years ago
Infinite Dimensional Cape
ben2cameron 2 years ago
Yo great guide on MK, I'll be sure to learn this and use it efficiently.
Thanks!
tennokumo 2 years ago
You know, tennokumo, I was thinking the exact same thing while watching, MK is my main, and all this does is make me like him more.
UltraKirbyFan 2 years ago
Especially since I was unaware of any MK advanced techniques
UltraKirbyFan 2 years ago
fail
CardTheTrader 2 years ago 5
ok, i can actually believe the statement "flawless recovery" now. MK really is too good.
supaman102 2 years ago
well In my opinion, MK needs only a temporary ban, each time I see more and more MKs on tournaments, and well, It just bores me fighting that character, I know Im gonna lose to him, but still, I dont care losing to him, Its not that my opponents more skilled than me, its just his character.... so Id say, temporary ban, so players can get used to use another characters
raizand33 2 years ago
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dude stop being a fucking faggot and just let people play with whoever they want in a tournament! metaknight has advantages but he has disadvantages as well. if you cant deal with them that means you suck ass at this game and should go suck some more fucking cock like youve been used to all your life.
Fucking complainning motherfucking bitchass hippie cock sucker. its people like you that make playing tournaments fucking annoying. FUCK YOU FUCKING COCK SUCKING FAGGOT!. Ill beat your ass with MK
libertykid420 2 years ago
lol, If u knew how to play this game, you wouldnt use meta knight, lol, youre just a casual fag
raizand33 2 years ago 4
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yeah yeah fuck you. you suck ass. Iv gotten beat plenty of times using metaknight and iv beat plenty of people that use metaknight. If you want him banned it just proves that, your a bitch. Your a bitch in the videogame world, and that makes you alot more pathetic than a regular bitch
libertykid420 2 years ago
i started loling when you said he had disadvantages. :p. He has no bad matchups and momentum canceling stops his light weight and his range and speed is long enough to give him no need for a projectile. Please sir if you have no idea what your talking about don't post. Also lets try to be as mature as possible and not use curses because your frustrated. Honestly >_>
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
um, mariolinkgenofan you can suck my big black cock you limp dick motherfucker. if its a big character facing metaknight all it takes is one good smash attack to kill metaknight, despite his amazing recovery. Iv beaten high ranking metaknights with donkey kong and ike. you all bitching to ban metaknight just makes you all whiney little bitches who cry when they cant beat a character then try to ban him
libertykid420 2 years ago
hey why cursing and insulting me when we can have a mature conversation and not be douchbags? YOU KNOW PROVE YOUR THE BETTER PERSON AND HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!! Also you obviously have never fought a really good mk and unless you went to a pro tourney then you probibly shouldn't talk and act like you know everything and treat us like bull****. I'll be happy to brawl you and show you mk's potential
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
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I know mk's potential dumb fuck just like all characters have great potential if you know how to use them. fuck you bitch ass pussy. your all more immature than me because your trying to ban a character that you can beat if you just try
libertykid420 2 years ago
Yup you just proved how much more intelligent and mature you are by cursing like a brat. Happy, Proud of yourself? <_< Please perhaps we can have a mature conversation and at least agree to disagree instead of a flame war being held.
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
It might be possible to the the jump meta knight did at the end with the luigi ladder.
animeboy777 2 years ago
the blow that knocks mk off the stage has to kill him or he'll come back, its that simple
jelaninoel 2 years ago
I love MK, but yeah, ban him. If people want to play the full roster at a tournament w/o items, then it's honestly time to move on to Brawl+ and/or BBrawl.
Sorry haters, but you can't fight destiny for much longer. You'll get tired of this BS faster than they'll get tired of tweaking it. That's the truth!
FellaDudeMan 2 years ago
This is pointless. Sure Metaknight was blessed with many options but he's not strong. And guess what, he's light as shit too. Every fighting game has a semi dominant character. Why is there so much complaining with Brawl? If you don't like him don't play the game. I personally love him. He's my favorite matchup in the game. Playing against a Metaknight for me is great. Less scarier than a campy snake by far. I could go on all day.
unawfulFILMS 2 years ago
his light weight helps him since it enables him to escape cg's at earlier percents.
firefort345 2 years ago 2
I assume by that you mean your favorite REALISTIC matchup, right? As characters like, say, ganondorf tend to have matchups that make anything you see among competitively viable characters look tame in comparison
KyazuTheInsane 2 years ago
Other than the obligatory "DK vs. Dedede"
KyazuTheInsane 2 years ago
holy shit im been missing out on mk and now this awsome im so gonna own now since im pro at snake and fox and falco
sniper841 2 years ago
Nice Job balancing this game Sakurai.
EternalYoshi 2 years ago 53
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how does this comment have 4 thumbs up? Lol.
firefort345 2 years ago
He obviously got his ass kicked by some pro Falcon and Ganon users in Melee. And last time I checked, it was good to have someone who is actually good at playing videos games to make them. I've seen him play and he's garbage.
nathan9384 2 years ago
LOOOLOL
firefort345 2 years ago
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Nice job balancing this game Sakurai, with MK, Snake's retarded hitboxes, random tripping, a horribly undeserved nerf on Captain Falcon, King Dedede's chain grab, and chain grabs on Wario, Lucas, and Ness thanks to their abnormally long grab release animations, not to mention infinites. Bravo, Sakurai, bravo.
Anthon1996 1 year ago
lol...I gotta say, I laughed as I watched this, I do not know why.
ItBeThePolonius 2 years ago
OH
MY
GAWD!
MK is so in need of banning. I knew this before this video, but now I don't feel bad telling my noob friends that they only use MK b/c they hate to lose.
DartagnanZero 2 years ago
Meta-Knight is gay
ZidaneTribal93 2 years ago
My reaction @ 3:57 is as follows:
*almost falling of the chair* W-W-WHAAAAAT????
ADFGADFGADFGA LOL WTF CAN THAT BE?
br3compactor 2 years ago
That's metaknight's infinite cape glitch. It's well known and banned from tournaments so idk why it's even posted in a video meant to persuad players to ban metaknight from tournament play.
firefort345 2 years ago
Because you can't at any point prove someones using it. Someone could use it for a minor advantage thats not noticable. Hell, I've done infinite cape glitch before and nobody noticed.
RetardedCinema 2 years ago
songs?
thefuzzyangel 2 years ago 3
First song is Operatic Interlude, second song is L's Theme.
PrinceShion 2 years ago
OMG BAN MK AHHHH
firefort345 2 years ago
nicely presented
icedcheese0 2 years ago
they should have an update that upgrades every character exept metaknight so this game can be fun again
how did metaknight do that super warp thing
NocriZle 2 years ago
they should have an update that upgrades every character exept metaknight so this game can be fun again
NocriZle 2 years ago
BAN META KNIGHT!!
What is this epic music called?
samiaran 2 years ago 7
both of the 2 songs are from death note
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
Death Note man, epic stuff.
Zhoroth 2 years ago
Thanks, yep, pretty epic haha
samiaran 2 years ago
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wow, you pro ban people who want to ban metaknight are faggots, this is just a fun game turned bad by tourneyfags and whatnot with safe options, counterpicking, metagame , and other made up tactics.
I'm ok with people having a big amount of love for the game, but this is going too far and is turning this into another Smash Bros Melee with regular tournaments turning into fag drags.
JAVADOZ 2 years ago
I hate the tournument players hate here....... you play your way, we'll play ours.
I hate how people think they know how the game was intended to be played.
It's sickening, the fact of the matter is, the developers or whatever you call them wanted to make a game to put a smile on people's faces, make money, and make people happy.
Wether that be 1 v 1s with no items, or FFAs with Items on high, we our way you have your's, deal with it.
ABSmovies 2 years ago 25
@ABSmovies PREACH! lol
wildNout317 1 year ago
about the end...
you mean like...
watch?v=miR0FsDAJGg ???
Strongbad338guy 2 years ago
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fuck no dont ban metaknight.. If he is banned my fav character snake is obviously going to be banned
takeover1806 2 years ago
Snake won't be banned. He has counterpicks that can stop him.
That's all I'm saying. :|
HolsetyrA 2 years ago 9
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lol arguing about tiers in a party game
garr123 2 years ago
It's nice to see that people have made rational arguments instead of constant whining. I actually watched the entire video.
speedster27 2 years ago 8
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smash bros is not a fighting game
kuaieq 2 years ago
I do feel that metaknight is too good, and banning him would make the tiers more "balanced". However, if he didn't have so many ways to keep away from the opponent, and if he was purely an aggresive character with several drawbacks, he would have been a great character.
I think the problem with Metaknight lies in the fact that Brawl has more of a "campy" fighting style, and the rules force aggression on people just to make the game work. He is able to abuse the true flow of the game well (HnR).
TrappedInAlaska 2 years ago 2
Get out of your bubble and see what other fighting communities have done in reference to other 'broken' characters.
Christ, and I don't even think people bitched this much about Akuma getting the axe in Super Street Fighter II Turbo!
nameredaction 2 years ago
thats because akuma's biggest weakness is he has no defense and has easily avoidable attacks. while mk is to cheap since u can basically camp and almost never die and because he is quick it's almost impossible to hit him with a slow character. besides street fighter sucks
highlander5523 2 years ago
PLEASE< STOP SAYING SF SUCKS! This is one of the reasons we are shunned by thier community. SF is far from a bad game dawg, get real.
ETWIST51294 2 years ago 14
Actually, Akuma didn't have the "no defense" thing going on until later editions. Originally, he didn't have those weaknesses in Turbo. :O He was just one on-going wave of "win." Even if a person played a "perfect" *Insert the vast majority of the cast* they STILL wouldn't win. That's why he was universally banned. Even in Japan, they had a soft ban for him.
speedster27 2 years ago
wow you are fucking stupid
Strongbad338guy 2 years ago
I don't think MK is ban worthy since Ally's Snake has no problem with MK. I think it really isn't MK's dominence, but rather the players who use MK.
Harbinger631 2 years ago
I don't think a few (one in this case) people beating someone proves that MK isn't an absurdly overpowered character though. I mean, wouldn't that simply prove how good ALLY is? Ally is one guy. Although, I can see where you are coming from; and I'm not completely in disagreement. I could see a ban in the same regard as Garchomp from Pokemon. Not that he's unbeatable, but it over centralizes the game because he's a bit too good. MK similar to that... Kind of...
speedster27 2 years ago 5
MK is broken.
Yet,
Mindgames > MK.
DevinsFavoriteVideos 2 years ago
BAN META KNIGHT!!! WIthout him brawl would be pretty balanced. Not very but enough I think people would find fare. LETS NOT wait until BBrawl BAN HIM!!!
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
Metaknight is so broken. He can punish you for any mistake you make. His moves are unpunishable because even if you AD or SD he can punish you. AND on top of that he doesn't have to spam to win.
RandomlineProduction 2 years ago
BAN MK!!!!!
NMEGamers 2 years ago
i know this song is from deathnote
wats it called xD
cruzb14 2 years ago
The song was IN Deathnote. It isn't FROM Deathnote.
The song is called "O Fortuna".
(P.S. I think the 'song' is actually a poem)
TrappedInAlaska 2 years ago
thank you ^.^
cruzb14 2 years ago
Actually, O Fortuna is a song in the opera Carmina Burana by Carl Orff. However, unless Deathnote did some serious modifications, I don't think this is exactly O Fortuna. It sounds alike, but the middle section is nothing like the original.
arandomperson12345 2 years ago
Ah, you're right. The song definitely isn't O Fortuna. For some reason thats the first thing that came to mind (It was late at night when I said that).
I found the original song's title. The song is cleverly named "Death Note Theme".
P.S. The song does have a similar sound to O Fortuna, and the beginning of "DN Theme" plays out very similar to how O fortuna does. Replace the song in this video with the other song and it'd practically have zero changes mood-wise =P.
TrappedInAlaska 2 years ago
So sheik didn't have any disadvantages either! Besides if anything MK is a challenge and you should embrace the fact that it takes skill to beat MK! This video seems to under mind that the brawl community is full of skilled none MetaKnight users. He is not impossible to beat. Second Brawl is all mind games and spacing so the smarter player wins! Unless you yourself truly believe that you are not intelligent enough to beat him then be my guest. P.S I Don't use MetaKnight!
JugmoDude 2 years ago
Please stop comparing melee and brawl, Shiek did have disadvantages and I know this for a fact.
ETWIST51294 2 years ago 3
This response is not at all to cause offense or an argument. The game isn't ALL about spacing and stalling and such, it's an important factor yes but it's not the whole purpose. she did have plenty of disadvantages in melee and there are a lot of forums on it. The point of ban isnt that hes impossible, but that he's so broken and is significantly ahead of the rest of the tiers, it ruins the tiers for the rest.
MourBrille 2 years ago
Brawl is not ALL mindgames and spacing...
Match ups do make a difference...
MKs worse match up is himself... tied with no-one..
Jigglypuff comes in next.. and not many use jiggs.
animeboy777 2 years ago 4
huh I thought ice climbers came before MK?
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
I'm against the whole "ban Meta Knight" situation, but I have to admit that this is a pretty good video for argument.
ShadowKirby20 2 years ago
MK's recovery is broken, that's why Ally spikes M2K at least once a set
Tsuraga 2 years ago 3
I'm not a big fan of banning MK, but this definitely is a good argument for banning him. It's true what they say at 3:48. MK is basically impossible to edgeguard. In a game where edgeguarding is basically half the battle, this makes a pretty hefty argument.
jianjunxu 2 years ago 7
Damn guys, this is a video game. It's not like MK is undefeatable.
MetaRiku 2 years ago
Uh, just Woi off the ground and refresh, then you Woi > jump .d jump glide . Woi again. One might argue that you touch the ground just after the first Woi in which case I would simply say that's the beginning of the jump.
Pierce7d 2 years ago
Stop sucking off the Hyrule Jump please. Pit can probably do it too. I might even put up a video.
Pierce7d 2 years ago
I highly doubt Pit can do it.
Jump, double jump, glide, WoI, refresh (though that technically counts as landing, even if you let that slide), midair jumps, WoI. It would be really close. But even still, that requires ground to wing refresh.
ChiboSempai 2 years ago
Can't Jigglypuff? Or was rising pound removed?
youjustfailed 2 years ago
Wing refresh + Carefully timed F-air before WOI time goes out + jump + jump to glide (glide at a slow, slightly horizontal elevation to the point where Pit flies slower + last jump to WOI.
Pit should be able to make it if done right, I can send replay to Rogue if you're curious.
Most likely you used the Hyrule jump clip as another example to show how broken MK's recovery is, correct?
AdmiralPit 2 years ago
Actually Pit can't go as far as MK on the temple, I'll have to check on that later.
Regardless, it shows how broken MK's recovery is.
AdmiralPit 2 years ago
......................
that drill thing was amazing, MK can stall u out on stage
good music tho, i need to find death note music
got any names of the songs?
DOGMA7275 2 years ago
Check my favorites.
ChiboSempai 2 years ago
Ally won Genesis . Suck it banners, snake is the best.