That's a great video. I wish I could vote in both party primaries. You would get my vote if not for Ron Paul. I'll be blogging this one to the top, for MIKE GRAVEL. Voting and winning is not the only way to make a difference. We are winning. "FREEDOM IS POPULAR". Vote/Support Mike Gravel/Ron PAUL is my call.
As much as I think Gravel shouldn't be directing attacks at the candidate that closely shares his same views, what this video shows is true. It reminds me of Edwards complaining that the media is ignoring him, yet it was him and Hillary that conspired to get other candidates off the debate.
I cant wait to see Mike as the last man standing against Hillary and McCain, then all the peace people will start supporting him in his fight as an independent candidate against the two war parties (Democrats and Republicans)
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Mike was excluded because he didnt have enough support. You can argue its unfair but contributions are hard evidence that a significant % of Americans are represented by the candidate. If Hilary, Kucinich, etc., took no $ from lobbyists they'd still have more than a million. I love Mike and agree with all he says but he owes his exclusion to his own blunt delivery and general lack of diplomacy. Unfortuneately you do need to be a politician to succeed in politics.
Your thought about blunt or harsh delivery and general lack of diplomacy also crossed my mind. Hillary was scolded like the naughty, poor school girl she still is in some respects. I bet she was livid afterwards because she certainly looked like Medusa on stage. Was this kind of communication from Mr. Gravel what wrought his banishment? In part because he embarrassed them, he trivialized them, he marginalized them.
If his aim was to be a trailblazer and a blunt speaker of truth, he succeeded brilliantly. God bless him. If his aim, as stated, was to get elected to the presidency of the U.S., well, he failed to even stay in the elections past October. This is where I get 6 "thumbsdown" for being realistic and telling the truth to blind idealists.
He didn't fail to stay in the debates - he spoke the truth and made the others uncomfortable so they banned him from the debates! It certainly wasn't because he wasn't liked or needed by the People. Kucinich is dealing with a bit of Karma at the moment. . . . They may have similar views, but Kucinich is definately Politics as usual- Party first, People last. Free America - Gravel '08!!
Gravel's approach is off-putting to the majority Americans who, although they might eventually be persuaded into sympathy with him, are not about to welcome a rude awakening. You cant begin by alienating, not only conservatives, but, everyone who isnt a radical liberal. A world leader needs to be a mediator, and, yes, to flatter people's prejudices just enough so that they dont tune him out from the start.
I think MG is most effective with most people when he shows the side of himself that is simply articulate, patient, and sympathetic. Then people can listen to what he has to say without worrying about the teacups in the china shop. This tone is more soothing and reassuring to people and less likely to be perceived as offensive.
Sorry, I think I'm missing the point where this validates or justifies Gravel's exclusion from the debates? You can't say a candidate's message didn't "connect" if it was never given a decent, DEMOCRATIC change to resonate with the public.
Its not about justifying, its about explaining. A reason doesnt have to be "good" to be causal. I dont like it any more than you, but the reality is that you cant come on like a loose canon and expect to turn the whole corrupt system on its head. Whether he had a chance, or a chance at a chance, he blew it.
Yes, I thought this, too. It depends on what strategy or aim he had for those early debates. We don't know. I do think that he would have been cut out anyway even if he had "behaved" as Paul and Kucinich didn't act up and were still eventually banished. Like a comet, MG left in a trail of blazing glory exposing the grimy lies of others for all who are willing to see.
One last thing to add to my previous point, the alternative debate on Democracy Now (which didn't ask him much questions since it was less than an hour including several clips from the actual debate and it wasn't nationally televised) was focused on him being excluded when initally it was going to be 4 people at the debate. They have a lot of common principles they fight for (sure there are differences), but why start a scuffle? They both get excluded, just ask Amy for similar debate as well.
I believe if mike wants a fair coverage he should contact Democracy Now and ask Amy Goodman to give him a chance to answer questions like Dennis. Dennis too has been excluded just like mike from debates, only this time they deliberatly changed the rules to exclude him when he would otherwise be included. So for all this blame on dennis as being one of the "culprits" is wrong because he didn't intentionally mean to not mention or exclude mike.
Mike Gravel is a straight talker and a genuine democrat. He was the first to be censored by the corporate (fascist) media, yet not one other candidate ever spoke on his behalf.
the big networks have too much influence in the election process. they know people are sheeps and will want to route for the "winning" team, no matter what that team believes, so they conduct all these bias polls.
Yes, but people are to blame for being sheep. Many rely on media to inform them and don't get involved until late, too late, in the process. The social issues (abortion, gay marriage) are just meant to drive people to polls (and poles) and these issues have little or NOTHING to do with who should be holding the Office of the President. Despicable manipulation...
Dennis had nothing to do with Mike Gravel's exclusion. Look at the perceived frontrunners, who are CEO-friendly candidates, if you are looking for someone to blame.
Maybe Dennis should have mentioned the exclusion of Mike Gravel, but that isn't something we should be focusing on now. Right now we need to focus on how to break through the cash curtain for ALL those being excluded.
This is completely silly. Kucinich didn't actively maneuver to get Gravel off the stage. Two of the front-runners did. Kucinich did Gravel no intentional harm, even if we assume he is guilty of an oversight. I like both of them, and I doubt Gravel was chiefly concerned about Kucinich's silence, especially if he's complimenting him! This is divide and conquer propaganda!
Where to start? let's see "oversight" surely you do not speak in earnest. Dennis has demonstrated poor moral judgment(that's my euphemism!) I care not to even the address you non sequitur whirlwind of babble accompanying YouR oversight.
Yes, my opinion is that Gravel IS chiefly concerned with Kucinich's silence. Kucinich had funds to sue to get back into a debate he had been UNinvited to but Gravel did not. Gravel's campaign asked for Kucinich's help to get back in was told they couldn't help.
Oh but one could say we could never get the Senate to vote on override to pass Mike's bill because they are Corporate/aipac etc.. whores. Well they'd be right so where does that leave us now? Notice how the power of LAW is a mighty force in-fact it's the central power of government! Mike Gravel's National Initiative gives us Citizens that power once 60 million of us sign up! WE the PEOPLE will be forth check the Government will function as it does now with the Correctional power of our will.
in the passing of the United States Armed Forces Withdrawal from Iraq LAW making it a felony for the sec.def, sec.tres, pres and vice.pres with a penalty of 5 years in Jail! if they DO NOT EXTRICATE ALL U.S. Forces from Iraq within 120 days! If the president fails to do so it's grounds for immediate impeachment thus bypassing the votes needed to impeach and SAVING LIVES! there is a couple million refugees RIGHT NOW that would thank you!
I'm a big fan of Mike Gravel, but I don't think he ought to be undermining Dennis Kucinich. This is one of the biggest problems with the left. Can't stick together.
Gravel is not undermining Kucinich. He's telling you the truth about what happened. I want him to let people know what is happening so people can draw their own conclusions. Let the facts speak for themselves. As far sticking together, apparently, Kucinich was also more interested in eliminating competition.
Yep, Divide and conquer. Let's just fight it out as indys and we'll fracture like the sunni, the shia and the kurds, while those in power laugh their way to control over us.
Once we fully realize that united, we stand and divided we actually fall, will we find the common ground necessary to take back our nation from the evil doers currently in power?
Let's demand the debate be opened to all of them!
Really perplexing Mike, why you are trying to attack Dennis, when he is seemingly closest to what you are purporting to want to see take place, for America. You prefer Clinton, Obama, or Edwards?
Dennis has been inclusive of your concerns, and yes, 'we all', can always do better!
Call Dennis and let's try to make things better
Dennis Kucinich is a good guy, endeavoring for the good.
Mike, or who ever put this out; THIS IS WRONG.
This makes you look bad, small, and or misguided, Mike
i've seen two videos where Gravel insulted Dennis..where is there a video in which he says something nice about him? why not make a video about Dennis' courageous stance for Impeachment? Do you care about the big picture or is this just an ego thing because you don't feel Dennis gave Mike enough attention? i like Mike and it would have been good if Dennis said something, but with all the issues on his mind (combined with lack of debate/media time), I can understand why he didn't.
I'll be making a video of all the times Mike complimented Dennis i will be posted before tomorrow. It might take a while though for Mike has done so many times. "Courageous stance" of exercise in futility? would you like me to add in the latest Pelosi at AIPAC vid? do you care to look at the bigger picture?
I've got a question for you, what is more effective impeaching W and Dick bumping up AIPAC owned Pelosi to continue the war OR! Putting the pressure where it belongs on making the congress exercise their constitutional supremacy to the executive branch in wagging war! by exercising veto override(continued)
Really perplexing why you don't see the relevance or poignancy of this.
Don't throw around your feel-good schlock when now is the time to really stand up and fight. All this video illustrates is that Dennis chose not to, but when it was politically expedient for him, he did.
Doesn't mean we dislike him, it means he dropped the ball. BIG TIME.
What he's telling you is what I learned the hard way around last time and what you don't yet understand. Kucinich is leading you to the convention and you will be dumped at the feet of OBAMA who has just recently praised RAYGUN, the former president. Gravel is not your KUCINICH thank goodness.
Dennis has been asked by tons of his supporters about his opinion on us having a national initiative in this country and he's ignored them all. look it up there's tons of people asking him what he thinks of Americans being allowed to govern themselves. That he's just completely ignored.
Us Ron Paul supporters feel your pain, Mike. I think you'd be a great President--not 100% what this country needs, but I mean it. This is repulsive, the way our two great candidates are being treated.
I'm glad that Ron Paul has gotten you interested in politics but once you learn economics and american history I think you'll soon realize that Mike is by far the better choice out of the coke or pepsi of paul or gravel as far as american values are concerned.
The "Clinton Express" will slam this country into an immovable object: our national DEBT, killing millions of Americans as a consequence, and setting this country back generations.
That's just one of the reasons I support Dr Ron Paul. He has the policies to save us from the imminent financial tsunami.
I believe Senator Gravel. If any one would have been excluded, he would have been the first to speak truth to power. First they excluded Senator Gravel and those who were left said nothing. Then they excluded Representative Kucinich and those who were left said nothing. Surprised?
The difference between Kucinich and Gravel is mainly that Gravel has a plan to do it. A real plan too. Not a plan he made up for the capaign trail to get elected.
Single-payer health care That's the plan they have ALREADY in CANADA Please search in WIKIPEDIA DOT ORG for: SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE. this plan it is also called "social insurance"
In Congress, Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) has introduced The United States National Health Insurance Act (HR 676). HR 676 has 76 co-sponsors, including Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who is a candidate for president.
and? It could just make everyone have to get health insurance. And if does everything that the canadian health care system does then what makes you think it could get past the senate. And Bush?
Yeah because we all want an aryan nation and segregation on a state by state basis.
He said that the people who donate for him don't influence him. That's true its hard for individuals to do that. But it shows that it tickles their fancy. And you should be afraid.
I agree completely that Kucinich has shown a troubling lack of integrity in not having Gravel's back, and when integrity is your selling point you need to walk the walk. I think it is mostly fear of sharing Gravel's fate, i.e., getting painted as an irrelevant crackpot, and it shows me Dennis might not have the strength of character he sometimes appears to.
in mike's exact words "dennis, he's a nice guy, ron paul, he's a nice guy too, but im a tough guy, and you dont want no namby pamby as your president... i can take a punch but, but man, i can deliver one too!"
thats right... we missed you and your man there, wish you would've been there too. Hearing Senator Gravel in person is beyond surreal its completely amazing!
I think that the BIG DIFFERENCE in Kucinich's case is that he was invited a WEEK before the Debate, then TWO Days before the debate they cancelled the invitation AFTER Richardson retired. Mike and Dennis are BOTH good guys. Please don't divide THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
raf747 has a point when it comes to NBC. the exclusion of Dennis was much more blatant because it was a breach of contract on the part of NBC for inviting Dennis and then UN-inviting him in the last minute. Mike is a good guy, and I would have liked to see Dennis say something..but that doesn't change the fact that DK (in my view) is an amazing candidate.
Also some folks here claim that KUCINICH does not have a plan when in reality he has (in my view)the best plan,wich is the ALREADY TESTED IN CANADA: "Single payer health Care" also called "Social Insurance" and hated by REPUBLICANS.
If Mike is for Impeachment then where is his Praise for the strong effort Dennis has made in this effort? When has he praised Dennis' Not-for-profit healthcare bill? I like Mike, and it's cool that there might be a video or 2 in which he says something nice about Dennis..but personally I've only heard him throw insults at him. Dennis may not be perfect, but he's the only one actually taking action when it comes to Impeachment and Not-for-profit healthcare..
Dennis's plan quite frankly worries me because he doesnt explain how he will pay for this, and I dont see where just rolling back the Bush tax cuts is enough, especially when there in budget shortfall in large part due to medicare entitlements.
Mike said, even before Dennis made the effort, that the tactic DK used would not work. Mike has his own proposal for possible impeachment & jail time, it was ignored. This plan also would have had the troops home LAST MONTH. So DK is NOT the only one taking action, it only appears that way to you because you don't know enough about Gravel.
Where was Dennis's support for impeachment when Cynthia Mckinney introduces arts against Bush, Cheney, & Rice. Dennis had a different tune before he announce his run for office. He felt everyone deserved forgiveness, even Bush. And actually Dennis hasnt taken care of this, because he needs to go after Bush like Cynthia did. Now if Dennis thought exclusion wouldnt happen to him, he was fooling himself.
Gravel supported Kucinich in the last election and even came to him with the National Initiative, but Kucinich turned him down. Kucinich acts like Gravel is beneath him, no pun intended.
Gravel raises an important point on this. I like Kucinich but he dropped the ball when he did not speak up when Gravel was excluded for the debate in Los Vegas, and that says something.
nobody said Dennis was perfect...but he's still amazing. thank God he managed to bring up impeachment, and not-for-profit healthcare during the little time he was given in debates. as for the future, Dennis has said that he will do whatever he can so that debates are more inclusive for ALL candidates ...what will Mike do to unite with Dennis in that effort? I like Mike, but am disappointed at his compaign's attempt to divide rather than unite.
the Gravel campaign seems quick to publicly point out that Dennis should have said something...but what about what he DID say (with the little debate time given)? i like Mike and would have liked to see Dennis say something..but Where are you on Impeachment? Where are you on not-for-profit healthcare? Why not praise some of what Dennis doing?
Gravel praised Kucinich in public? On a Youtube video? I haven't seen it..all I am seeing is this video attempting to make Dennis look bad.. and once before I saw a video with Mike complaining about how Dennis didn't support his initiative. If Mike praised Dennis, that's great, but I personally haven't seen it..
In the alternative debate on October 30th in Philadelphia (the same event that is referenced in this video) Grave praised Kucinich several times for what he has said.
"Sen. Gravel has praised Rep. Kucinich time and time again, publicly, something Dennis has not thought to do regarding Mike."
THATS TRUE, WE WATCHED EVERY MIKE GRAVEL RELATED VIDEO ON YOUTUBE SEVERAL TIMES EACH, AND MIKE DOES MENTION DENNIS ONCE IN A WHILE; WHICH I SOMEHOW DOUBT DENNIS DOES VICEVERSA!
Dennis is like most other pols, weak and scared. Of course, weak and scared are terms that could be used to describe anyone who has to share a stage with Gravel.
Dennis had enough trouble getting his own 2 minutes to speak during the debate...I agree he should have said something, but things have to be kept into perspective. Dennis has a better shot at winning than Mike and Mike should tell his supporters to hop over. Afterall, Mike supported Dennis before and he knows what a good man he is.
I havent heard Dennis mention he will run independent after the primaries...I know Mike Gravel has a better shot at winning because he will be in the race until the VERY end
about his 2 minutes to speak: dont you think his odds for staying in debates would have greatly increased if he had the courage & leadership to speak out strongly against the corporate censorship? BTW, DK had a golden oppurtunity to bring this up during the lousy UFO question! Mike would have mentioned it for any of them especially DK
it's easy to say what Mike would have done...and he's a good guy so maybe he would have said something. But rather than pointing out all the amazing things Dennis has done--it seems that the Gravel campaign wants to make Dennis look bad over this. Dennis used his little time in debates to talk about what he felt was most important at those moments. Why not support Dennis' move to impeach, or applaud his effort for a not-for-profit healthcare system?
Corporate censorship is kind of a big thing, especially in these times of crisis. Dennis made himself look bad and his self-serving tendencies have weakened his whole cause. If you don't think Gravel would have said something, you need to look at his record and focus more.
Mike certainly would have. Dennis made himself look bad, don't look down on the campaign just because the truth hurts. Dennis got more time than Gravel at the debates, at minimum he could have said, "Where's Gravel?", "Where's Mike?" or even shorter, "Where's M.G.?" That takes how long, 2 seconds to say? Mike is for impeachment & not-for-profit healthcare also, but with better plans than DK.
That is the same stupid line John Edwards supporters and Obama supporters will use. I will not be persuaded to vote for an inferior candidate. Mike Gravel's record and positions are too awesome. Don't waste your vote with the ignorant, vote Mike Gravel.
In our frustration and anger over the system, we should remember that if we are to change ANYTHING we have to drop the rancour and become a Human Team.
The corporate mainstream media have officially ended free speech in America. They are the weapon used by the CORRUPT MILITARY INDUSTRIAL WEAPONS MANUFACTURERS WHO OWN THEM to silence any Presidential candidate who wants to bring peace to America.You may as well all stay home and forget voting.You are no longer living in a democracy.The rich elite make the rules.
I'd like to see Dennis respond to this one. He's been ignoring Mike this whole time. That's an excellent way for Dennis to build resentment among people who might otherwise support his cause. Dennis, you sided with corruption and that makes you corrupt whether you want to admit it or not.
I heard from a taxi driver that drove kucinich that he was a real jerk - also from a green party candidate that the dems were just using him to keep the anti-war crowd on their side.
Politics aside, I don't like Kucinich at all. He comes across as arrogant and condescending.
From a general impression, I liked Gravel from the beginning, but at first I never thought I would support him. But when I discovered what he stood for, everything changed. Great personality and great message. Doesn't get better than that. No wonder the corporations want to keep him down.
I also heard the same about using Dennis keeping potential Greens in the Democratic party. I met Dennis and found him to very nice. A politicians job can be stressful, we must keep this in mind.
This is nothing new for Dennis the Dweeb. Up until this year, he refused to debate any challengers to the Congressional seat he now occupies. When one of his primary challengers delivered a poster to his Congressional office in his district, Kucinich sent Homeland Security to investigate. Dennis is nothing more than an infant starved for attention and will cry and pout when he doesn't get it.
i don't have enough space to type how great Dem Now is but they have John Pilger on for god's sake! do your self a favor for truth, google-video search John Pilger right now.
Dennis never had faith in you. Neither do any of the other candidates. Only Mike has faith in you & the American people, with the National Initiative.
This and Kucinich's ordering of his voters to support Obama as a second choice doesn't sit right with me. It's an absolute shame that Kucinich doesn't stand up for fellow dissenters when it counts.
I'm glad to see that someone is pointing out how Kucinich can seem to be a hypocrite at times. Not that I don't have respect for the congressman, but he is, as Mike would say, "politics as usual".
I'm a Ron Paul supporter but saying Kucinich, who did everything to stop the invasion of Iraq before it happened, when everyone supported it is "politics as usual" is just too much.
Ron Paul has a plan to stop the collapse of the dollar. Everyone else pretends it is not going to happen and proposes plans to make it worse. I don't even know what to say to people that don't understand this.
You aint seen nothing yet! There's a financial tsunami coming our way. ONLY Dr Paul is offering a SOLUTION:
For more detail, check out:
ronpaul2008 DOT com/issues/ and
ronpaullibrary DOT org
but essentially:
* STOP PRINTING MONEY!! Abolish the Federal Reserve Bank, and return to SOUND money, backed by gold, not IOUs from a PRIVATE CORPORATION, as the "Fed" is. Transition to such by allowing monetary competition -- let the market decide. This will END THE "INFLATION TAX"!
* LET THE FREE MARKET WORK. Government intervention to "avoid" a correction only makes it worse. (eg Wanting to BORROW / PRINT money, to stimulate the economy is what is causing the dollar to crash in the first place!)
FORCED OUT - more news tomorrow.
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
FLASH: CNN/WOLF 3:30pm central Thur., 24 JAN 08 "Dennis drops out..."
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
Kucinich filing Impeachment Charges Monday!!!
ImyManz99 4 years ago 3
"Kucinich filing Impeachment Charges Monday!!!"
Its about time.
Valerian1 4 years ago 3
That's a great video. I wish I could vote in both party primaries. You would get my vote if not for Ron Paul. I'll be blogging this one to the top, for MIKE GRAVEL. Voting and winning is not the only way to make a difference. We are winning. "FREEDOM IS POPULAR". Vote/Support Mike Gravel/Ron PAUL is my call.
MikeCANN 4 years ago
Ill vote Gravel
Texx828 4 years ago 5
Gravel Kucinich Paul Nader -
The truth is powerful.
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
Why would Nader want to work with Paul?
Paul is working very hard to dissolve all the work that Nader did in the past.
gravel2008 4 years ago
Honesty...
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
Do you or Nader disagree?
"But what is truth?
Is truth unchanging law?
We both have truths -
Are mine the same as yours?"
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
As much as I think Gravel shouldn't be directing attacks at the candidate that closely shares his same views, what this video shows is true. It reminds me of Edwards complaining that the media is ignoring him, yet it was him and Hillary that conspired to get other candidates off the debate.
SuperJesus316 4 years ago 6
I cant wait to see Mike as the last man standing against Hillary and McCain, then all the peace people will start supporting him in his fight as an independent candidate against the two war parties (Democrats and Republicans)
uterfan 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Mike was excluded because he didnt have enough support. You can argue its unfair but contributions are hard evidence that a significant % of Americans are represented by the candidate. If Hilary, Kucinich, etc., took no $ from lobbyists they'd still have more than a million. I love Mike and agree with all he says but he owes his exclusion to his own blunt delivery and general lack of diplomacy. Unfortuneately you do need to be a politician to succeed in politics.
Valerian1 4 years ago
He hasn't been in the debates since October! That was over 2 months before the first primary. How was anyone supposed to hear about him?
overmind25 4 years ago 7
Your thought about blunt or harsh delivery and general lack of diplomacy also crossed my mind. Hillary was scolded like the naughty, poor school girl she still is in some respects. I bet she was livid afterwards because she certainly looked like Medusa on stage. Was this kind of communication from Mr. Gravel what wrought his banishment? In part because he embarrassed them, he trivialized them, he marginalized them.
gravelin08 4 years ago 2
If his aim was to be a trailblazer and a blunt speaker of truth, he succeeded brilliantly. God bless him. If his aim, as stated, was to get elected to the presidency of the U.S., well, he failed to even stay in the elections past October. This is where I get 6 "thumbsdown" for being realistic and telling the truth to blind idealists.
Valerian1 4 years ago
He didn't fail to stay in the debates - he spoke the truth and made the others uncomfortable so they banned him from the debates! It certainly wasn't because he wasn't liked or needed by the People. Kucinich is dealing with a bit of Karma at the moment. . . . They may have similar views, but Kucinich is definately Politics as usual- Party first, People last. Free America - Gravel '08!!
lovinhomeschoolin 4 years ago
Gravel's approach is off-putting to the majority Americans who, although they might eventually be persuaded into sympathy with him, are not about to welcome a rude awakening. You cant begin by alienating, not only conservatives, but, everyone who isnt a radical liberal. A world leader needs to be a mediator, and, yes, to flatter people's prejudices just enough so that they dont tune him out from the start.
Valerian1 4 years ago
I think MG is most effective with most people when he shows the side of himself that is simply articulate, patient, and sympathetic. Then people can listen to what he has to say without worrying about the teacups in the china shop. This tone is more soothing and reassuring to people and less likely to be perceived as offensive.
gravelin08 4 years ago
Sorry, I think I'm missing the point where this validates or justifies Gravel's exclusion from the debates? You can't say a candidate's message didn't "connect" if it was never given a decent, DEMOCRATIC change to resonate with the public.
PeaceCzar 4 years ago
Its not about justifying, its about explaining. A reason doesnt have to be "good" to be causal. I dont like it any more than you, but the reality is that you cant come on like a loose canon and expect to turn the whole corrupt system on its head. Whether he had a chance, or a chance at a chance, he blew it.
Valerian1 4 years ago
Yes, I thought this, too. It depends on what strategy or aim he had for those early debates. We don't know. I do think that he would have been cut out anyway even if he had "behaved" as Paul and Kucinich didn't act up and were still eventually banished. Like a comet, MG left in a trail of blazing glory exposing the grimy lies of others for all who are willing to see.
gravelin08 4 years ago
One last thing to add to my previous point, the alternative debate on Democracy Now (which didn't ask him much questions since it was less than an hour including several clips from the actual debate and it wasn't nationally televised) was focused on him being excluded when initally it was going to be 4 people at the debate. They have a lot of common principles they fight for (sure there are differences), but why start a scuffle? They both get excluded, just ask Amy for similar debate as well.
thediversion77 4 years ago 4
I believe if mike wants a fair coverage he should contact Democracy Now and ask Amy Goodman to give him a chance to answer questions like Dennis. Dennis too has been excluded just like mike from debates, only this time they deliberatly changed the rules to exclude him when he would otherwise be included. So for all this blame on dennis as being one of the "culprits" is wrong because he didn't intentionally mean to not mention or exclude mike.
thediversion77 4 years ago 4
Mike Gravel is a straight talker and a genuine democrat. He was the first to be censored by the corporate (fascist) media, yet not one other candidate ever spoke on his behalf.
europarl 4 years ago 2
...ooops I wrote it before I heard him say it :)
europarl 4 years ago
I hate corporations! They censor anyone who is critical of them, they exploit workers, they are greedy, etc.
ChristianSocialist 4 years ago
the big networks have too much influence in the election process. they know people are sheeps and will want to route for the "winning" team, no matter what that team believes, so they conduct all these bias polls.
talktal 4 years ago 2
Yes, but people are to blame for being sheep. Many rely on media to inform them and don't get involved until late, too late, in the process. The social issues (abortion, gay marriage) are just meant to drive people to polls (and poles) and these issues have little or NOTHING to do with who should be holding the Office of the President. Despicable manipulation...
gravelin08 4 years ago 2
Dennis had nothing to do with Mike Gravel's exclusion. Look at the perceived frontrunners, who are CEO-friendly candidates, if you are looking for someone to blame.
gordonkob 4 years ago
You're missing the point of the video.
We're not blaming Dennis for Mike's exclusion, we're merely asking Rep. Kucinich a question regarding his exclusion.
gravel2008 4 years ago
WHY?
runnerbeandarkwood 4 years ago
Maybe Dennis should have mentioned the exclusion of Mike Gravel, but that isn't something we should be focusing on now. Right now we need to focus on how to break through the cash curtain for ALL those being excluded.
rdegertson 4 years ago 3
This is completely silly. Kucinich didn't actively maneuver to get Gravel off the stage. Two of the front-runners did. Kucinich did Gravel no intentional harm, even if we assume he is guilty of an oversight. I like both of them, and I doubt Gravel was chiefly concerned about Kucinich's silence, especially if he's complimenting him! This is divide and conquer propaganda!
pomafiwo 4 years ago 2
Where to start? let's see "oversight" surely you do not speak in earnest. Dennis has demonstrated poor moral judgment(that's my euphemism!) I care not to even the address you non sequitur whirlwind of babble accompanying YouR oversight.
Vektor417 4 years ago
*your
Vektor417 4 years ago
make some sense? rather than underlining your pseudo intellectualness
JagArKrig 4 years ago
Very simple 300+ Million or 535 OR 535 + 300Millon.
Vektor417 4 years ago
Yes, my opinion is that Gravel IS chiefly concerned with Kucinich's silence. Kucinich had funds to sue to get back into a debate he had been UNinvited to but Gravel did not. Gravel's campaign asked for Kucinich's help to get back in was told they couldn't help.
gravelin08 4 years ago
Oh but one could say we could never get the Senate to vote on override to pass Mike's bill because they are Corporate/aipac etc.. whores. Well they'd be right so where does that leave us now? Notice how the power of LAW is a mighty force in-fact it's the central power of government! Mike Gravel's National Initiative gives us Citizens that power once 60 million of us sign up! WE the PEOPLE will be forth check the Government will function as it does now with the Correctional power of our will.
Vektor417 4 years ago 4
in the passing of the United States Armed Forces Withdrawal from Iraq LAW making it a felony for the sec.def, sec.tres, pres and vice.pres with a penalty of 5 years in Jail! if they DO NOT EXTRICATE ALL U.S. Forces from Iraq within 120 days! If the president fails to do so it's grounds for immediate impeachment thus bypassing the votes needed to impeach and SAVING LIVES! there is a couple million refugees RIGHT NOW that would thank you!
Vektor417 4 years ago 4
I'm a big fan of Mike Gravel, but I don't think he ought to be undermining Dennis Kucinich. This is one of the biggest problems with the left. Can't stick together.
Naturyl 4 years ago 2
Who's undermining who? I guess dk forgot Mike Gravel exists.
Vektor417 4 years ago
Gravel is not undermining Kucinich. He's telling you the truth about what happened. I want him to let people know what is happening so people can draw their own conclusions. Let the facts speak for themselves. As far sticking together, apparently, Kucinich was also more interested in eliminating competition.
gravelin08 4 years ago
I don't think any less of Dennis for doing what he did, but it did bother me to know that he didn't mention Mike's seclusion.
JagArKrig 4 years ago
Yep, Divide and conquer. Let's just fight it out as indys and we'll fracture like the sunni, the shia and the kurds, while those in power laugh their way to control over us.
Once we fully realize that united, we stand and divided we actually fall, will we find the common ground necessary to take back our nation from the evil doers currently in power?
Let's demand the debate be opened to all of them!
Dutchoven08 4 years ago 6
OWNED, DENNIS PWNED>
ccrweezerccr 4 years ago
I agree completely. Dennis should have spoken up when he had the chance. If he wasn't such a coward then, he'd be in the debates today.
ElectricPineapple79 4 years ago
Really perplexing Mike, why you are trying to attack Dennis, when he is seemingly closest to what you are purporting to want to see take place, for America. You prefer Clinton, Obama, or Edwards?
Dennis has been inclusive of your concerns, and yes, 'we all', can always do better!
Call Dennis and let's try to make things better
Dennis Kucinich is a good guy, endeavoring for the good.
Mike, or who ever put this out; THIS IS WRONG.
This makes you look bad, small, and or misguided, Mike
knowledgeofall 4 years ago
Dennis didn't mention us, nor has he ever complimented Sen. Gravel, as we have done to Dennis time and time again.
The Kucinich campaign won't return our calls or e-mails either, and they haven't ever...
gravel2008 4 years ago
i've seen two videos where Gravel insulted Dennis..where is there a video in which he says something nice about him? why not make a video about Dennis' courageous stance for Impeachment? Do you care about the big picture or is this just an ego thing because you don't feel Dennis gave Mike enough attention? i like Mike and it would have been good if Dennis said something, but with all the issues on his mind (combined with lack of debate/media time), I can understand why he didn't.
YaronFishman 4 years ago 3
You are rationalizing Dennis' behavior for him.
I'll be making a video of all the times Mike complimented Dennis i will be posted before tomorrow. It might take a while though for Mike has done so many times. "Courageous stance" of exercise in futility? would you like me to add in the latest Pelosi at AIPAC vid? do you care to look at the bigger picture?
Vektor417 4 years ago
I've got a question for you, what is more effective impeaching W and Dick bumping up AIPAC owned Pelosi to continue the war OR! Putting the pressure where it belongs on making the congress exercise their constitutional supremacy to the executive branch in wagging war! by exercising veto override(continued)
Vektor417 4 years ago
Really perplexing why you don't see the relevance or poignancy of this.
Don't throw around your feel-good schlock when now is the time to really stand up and fight. All this video illustrates is that Dennis chose not to, but when it was politically expedient for him, he did.
Doesn't mean we dislike him, it means he dropped the ball. BIG TIME.
PeaceCzar 4 years ago 6
What he's telling you is what I learned the hard way around last time and what you don't yet understand. Kucinich is leading you to the convention and you will be dumped at the feet of OBAMA who has just recently praised RAYGUN, the former president. Gravel is not your KUCINICH thank goodness.
gravelin08 4 years ago
Dennis has been asked by tons of his supporters about his opinion on us having a national initiative in this country and he's ignored them all. look it up there's tons of people asking him what he thinks of Americans being allowed to govern themselves. That he's just completely ignored.
oldhacks 4 years ago 4
Us Ron Paul supporters feel your pain, Mike. I think you'd be a great President--not 100% what this country needs, but I mean it. This is repulsive, the way our two great candidates are being treated.
ThinkShink 4 years ago 5
I'm glad that Ron Paul has gotten you interested in politics but once you learn economics and american history I think you'll soon realize that Mike is by far the better choice out of the coke or pepsi of paul or gravel as far as american values are concerned.
oldhacks 4 years ago 2
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Who wants Hellary as pres for 8 years?!
Go Obama!
semiliteratedgod 4 years ago
I am disappointed in Mr. Kucinich for this.
seapoidog 4 years ago 3
«Stop and think»
-Mike Gravel
Twinsen 4 years ago 6
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Dennis Kucinish is a JOKE, and he has been soundly REJECTED by voters. Kucinich had his chance and now it's time to move on.
You loons need to get on the Clinton express!
bobbyclerici 4 years ago
Ignorance abounds...
PeaceCzar 4 years ago 2
The "Clinton Express" will slam this country into an immovable object: our national DEBT, killing millions of Americans as a consequence, and setting this country back generations.
That's just one of the reasons I support Dr Ron Paul. He has the policies to save us from the imminent financial tsunami.
But I like Mike, too. He's a worthy candidate.
lastnymleft 4 years ago
Gravel is great. see my last three videos on him. see my channel.
representativepress 4 years ago 3
Yes, everyone check them out and subscribe!
And please everyone make sure to subscribe to youtubeDOTcom/gravel2008
uterfan 4 years ago
gravel is my hero...
wasy35 4 years ago 9
Mike is my hero as well!
uterfan 4 years ago
I believe Senator Gravel. If any one would have been excluded, he would have been the first to speak truth to power. First they excluded Senator Gravel and those who were left said nothing. Then they excluded Representative Kucinich and those who were left said nothing. Surprised?
kevkro64 4 years ago 9
The difference between Kucinich and Gravel is mainly that Gravel has a plan to do it. A real plan too. Not a plan he made up for the capaign trail to get elected.
PersonalJesus348 4 years ago
this video shows at least one more important personal difference...
kidcodea 4 years ago
KUCINICH plan is called:
Single-payer health care That's the plan they have ALREADY in CANADA Please search in WIKIPEDIA DOT ORG for: SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE. this plan it is also called "social insurance"
raf747 4 years ago
that's a plan for the campaign. Gravel has a plan to put it in motion when he's president.
PersonalJesus348 4 years ago
This is from WIKIPEDIA:
In Congress, Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) has introduced The United States National Health Insurance Act (HR 676). HR 676 has 76 co-sponsors, including Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who is a candidate for president.
raf747 4 years ago
and? It could just make everyone have to get health insurance. And if does everything that the canadian health care system does then what makes you think it could get past the senate. And Bush?
Gravel would've had covered.
PersonalJesus348 4 years ago
That's incorrect..Dennis is actually CO-author of the bill.
YaronFishman 4 years ago
So does Ron Paul, And he is the only one who can win. Think Ron Paul or we will all be screwed.
mydozer 4 years ago
Yeah because we all want an aryan nation and segregation on a state by state basis.
He said that the people who donate for him don't influence him. That's true its hard for individuals to do that. But it shows that it tickles their fancy. And you should be afraid.
PersonalJesus348 4 years ago
I agree completely that Kucinich has shown a troubling lack of integrity in not having Gravel's back, and when integrity is your selling point you need to walk the walk. I think it is mostly fear of sharing Gravel's fate, i.e., getting painted as an irrelevant crackpot, and it shows me Dennis might not have the strength of character he sometimes appears to.
foolchild0 4 years ago 5
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Wow, Mike Gravel thinks that Dennis K. is his competition/rival? WTF? Shows how meaningless a candidate he really is...
cowdude 4 years ago
in mike's exact words "dennis, he's a nice guy, ron paul, he's a nice guy too, but im a tough guy, and you dont want no namby pamby as your president... i can take a punch but, but man, i can deliver one too!"
haveanopenmind 4 years ago 5
You should know, you were there when he said that. :D
uterfan 4 years ago
thats right... we missed you and your man there, wish you would've been there too. Hearing Senator Gravel in person is beyond surreal its completely amazing!
haveanopenmind 4 years ago 3
We hope to experience that one day!
Did you catch Mike on Retirement Living TV today? Someone better upload that ASAP! :D
uterfan 4 years ago
They're not trying to attack Dennis or his campaign, rather, they're posing a civil question to Dennis.
uterfan 4 years ago
shows how meaningless you are.
PersonalJesus348 4 years ago 3
People:
I think that the BIG DIFFERENCE in Kucinich's case is that he was invited a WEEK before the Debate, then TWO Days before the debate they cancelled the invitation AFTER Richardson retired. Mike and Dennis are BOTH good guys. Please don't divide THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
raf747 4 years ago
You're saying Gravel wasn't invited?
Mike was invited to the New Hampshire debate, then ABC pulled the same crap as MSNBC & CNN.
uterfan 4 years ago 3
Screw the Democratic Party!
Where is this "party"?
Were you invited to their "party"?
Last I checked, they take our money and don't ever invite us to the party.
gmfutube 4 years ago 2
raf747 has a point when it comes to NBC. the exclusion of Dennis was much more blatant because it was a breach of contract on the part of NBC for inviting Dennis and then UN-inviting him in the last minute. Mike is a good guy, and I would have liked to see Dennis say something..but that doesn't change the fact that DK (in my view) is an amazing candidate.
YaronFishman 4 years ago
We were un-invited too. The debate on the 30th, then the debates in NH, had given us invitations.
Those invitations were retracted. We were uninvited...
gravel2008 4 years ago
Then my friend, you Should have SUE ABC.
raf747 4 years ago
We don't have the funds to have sued ABC.
gravel2008 4 years ago
Ok, I didn't know you were UN-invited too..thanks for clearing that up.
YaronFishman 4 years ago 2
Also some folks here claim that KUCINICH does not have a plan when in reality he has (in my view)the best plan,wich is the ALREADY TESTED IN CANADA: "Single payer health Care" also called "Social Insurance" and hated by REPUBLICANS.
raf747 4 years ago
get your facts straight, Yaron, before posting on here!
uterfan 4 years ago
If Mike is for Impeachment then where is his Praise for the strong effort Dennis has made in this effort? When has he praised Dennis' Not-for-profit healthcare bill? I like Mike, and it's cool that there might be a video or 2 in which he says something nice about Dennis..but personally I've only heard him throw insults at him. Dennis may not be perfect, but he's the only one actually taking action when it comes to Impeachment and Not-for-profit healthcare..
YaronFishman 4 years ago
I like to see some action, not just from DK, but from anyone up on the Hill.
My disappointment with DK is too much for
me as I was all for DK till I heard BIG Mike.
But, we can all see the that 'infamous dagger'
underneath the clean white toga with an old fashioned purple band, that makes any thinking person vomit with disgust !!!!!
DK, you are a CORPORATE WHORE !!!
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago
He's a whore we now have that confirmed with his "Iowa" support of Obama and here again with his Obama caveat.
Vektor417 4 years ago
We don't support Rep. Kucinich's healthcare bill. There are far more efficient ways to do it.
What Dennis is offering merely underlines one portion of our healthcare plan.
gravel2008 4 years ago
Dennis's plan quite frankly worries me because he doesnt explain how he will pay for this, and I dont see where just rolling back the Bush tax cuts is enough, especially when there in budget shortfall in large part due to medicare entitlements.
truthout911 4 years ago 2
Mike said, even before Dennis made the effort, that the tactic DK used would not work. Mike has his own proposal for possible impeachment & jail time, it was ignored. This plan also would have had the troops home LAST MONTH. So DK is NOT the only one taking action, it only appears that way to you because you don't know enough about Gravel.
uterfan 4 years ago 2
Where was Dennis's support for impeachment when Cynthia Mckinney introduces arts against Bush, Cheney, & Rice. Dennis had a different tune before he announce his run for office. He felt everyone deserved forgiveness, even Bush. And actually Dennis hasnt taken care of this, because he needs to go after Bush like Cynthia did. Now if Dennis thought exclusion wouldnt happen to him, he was fooling himself.
truthout911 4 years ago 3
DK reminds me of SCABS !!! who cross
picket lines. DK, also, reminds me of pimps.
This is from someone
who LOVES Pimps and Babes. DK, you are ain't
worth a feathering s... !!!!!
Peace, bro and get a feathering life.
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago 2
Here is one clip where Mike mentions Dennis and Ron Paul at 7:00 watch?v=jfq-9vvpmDE
Twinsen 4 years ago 2
"First they came for gravel..."
bongobuddy 4 years ago 5
Ya know something You'd think that Gravel and Kucinich would become natural Allies...
RRSAlabama 4 years ago
Gravel supported Kucinich in the last election and even came to him with the National Initiative, but Kucinich turned him down. Kucinich acts like Gravel is beneath him, no pun intended.
Are you a Gravel supporter from Alabama?
BamaGravelian 4 years ago 7
Gravel raises an important point on this. I like Kucinich but he dropped the ball when he did not speak up when Gravel was excluded for the debate in Los Vegas, and that says something.
classic14rider 4 years ago 6
nobody said Dennis was perfect...but he's still amazing. thank God he managed to bring up impeachment, and not-for-profit healthcare during the little time he was given in debates. as for the future, Dennis has said that he will do whatever he can so that debates are more inclusive for ALL candidates ...what will Mike do to unite with Dennis in that effort? I like Mike, but am disappointed at his compaign's attempt to divide rather than unite.
YaronFishman 4 years ago
We're not trying to attack Dennis or his campaign, rather, we're posing a civil question to Dennis.
gravel2008 4 years ago
the Gravel campaign seems quick to publicly point out that Dennis should have said something...but what about what he DID say (with the little debate time given)? i like Mike and would have liked to see Dennis say something..but Where are you on Impeachment? Where are you on not-for-profit healthcare? Why not praise some of what Dennis doing?
YaronFishman 4 years ago
Sen. Gravel has praised Rep. Kucinich time and time again, publicly, something Dennis has not thought to do regarding Mike.
gravel2008 4 years ago
Gravel praised Kucinich in public? On a Youtube video? I haven't seen it..all I am seeing is this video attempting to make Dennis look bad.. and once before I saw a video with Mike complaining about how Dennis didn't support his initiative. If Mike praised Dennis, that's great, but I personally haven't seen it..
YaronFishman 4 years ago
Gravel praised Kucinich in the PBS (3rd Dem.) debate for his health care plan as opposed to the others.
overmind25 4 years ago 3
In the alternative debate on October 30th in Philadelphia (the same event that is referenced in this video) Grave praised Kucinich several times for what he has said.
lovetoblame 4 years ago 4
"Sen. Gravel has praised Rep. Kucinich time and time again, publicly, something Dennis has not thought to do regarding Mike."
THATS TRUE, WE WATCHED EVERY MIKE GRAVEL RELATED VIDEO ON YOUTUBE SEVERAL TIMES EACH, AND MIKE DOES MENTION DENNIS ONCE IN A WHILE; WHICH I SOMEHOW DOUBT DENNIS DOES VICEVERSA!
uterfan 4 years ago 3
Yes, I have seen a video where Sen. Gravel heaping praise on DK on DK's spirituality.
DK, you've lost me forever with your silly ingratiating ways with the corrupt Demolisionists !
Man-up, you tiny little(just being figurative)
kiddo, you have
a long 'feathering' ways to go.
So, Go for it.
I am not, at all, interested in your 'feathering' peas!!!!Peace!!!!
My President is GRAVEL !!!
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago
This is where MEN are separated from the boys,
DK, you are just a BOY !!!
OMG ! Are you a korporrrraaaiitist ???
I used to be one your DIE HARD supporters.
Man-Up guy !!!! Oh Sh......!!
Peace. Gravel is a GUY !!! I LIKE !!
Peace.
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago 3
Dennis should have stood up for Gravel, this is true.
krayonc 4 years ago 6
sorry mike. its not nice dennis didn't mention you. But i don't think he meant it.
your great. so is dennis. Your both better than anyone else.
Ladycroft144 4 years ago 3
Dennis is like most other pols, weak and scared. Of course, weak and scared are terms that could be used to describe anyone who has to share a stage with Gravel.
partgreen 4 years ago 3
dennis lost it......
TheHairyHeart 4 years ago 3
i'm sorry dennis didn't mention mike,
but they are basically on the same team and stand for the same issues...
lets not work to set these men apart...because they are more alike than anything else. both good men and great leaders.
but dennis should have mentioned mike. i don't know why. it's not like dennis is deliberately trying to silence his voice.
ellenloveseverything 4 years ago 4
Dennis had enough trouble getting his own 2 minutes to speak during the debate...I agree he should have said something, but things have to be kept into perspective. Dennis has a better shot at winning than Mike and Mike should tell his supporters to hop over. Afterall, Mike supported Dennis before and he knows what a good man he is.
YaronFishman 4 years ago
I havent heard Dennis mention he will run independent after the primaries...I know Mike Gravel has a better shot at winning because he will be in the race until the VERY end
uterfan 4 years ago 5
about his 2 minutes to speak: dont you think his odds for staying in debates would have greatly increased if he had the courage & leadership to speak out strongly against the corporate censorship? BTW, DK had a golden oppurtunity to bring this up during the lousy UFO question! Mike would have mentioned it for any of them especially DK
uterfan 4 years ago 2
it's easy to say what Mike would have done...and he's a good guy so maybe he would have said something. But rather than pointing out all the amazing things Dennis has done--it seems that the Gravel campaign wants to make Dennis look bad over this. Dennis used his little time in debates to talk about what he felt was most important at those moments. Why not support Dennis' move to impeach, or applaud his effort for a not-for-profit healthcare system?
YaronFishman 4 years ago
Corporate censorship is kind of a big thing, especially in these times of crisis. Dennis made himself look bad and his self-serving tendencies have weakened his whole cause. If you don't think Gravel would have said something, you need to look at his record and focus more.
BamaGravelian 4 years ago 2
Mike certainly would have. Dennis made himself look bad, don't look down on the campaign just because the truth hurts. Dennis got more time than Gravel at the debates, at minimum he could have said, "Where's Gravel?", "Where's Mike?" or even shorter, "Where's M.G.?" That takes how long, 2 seconds to say? Mike is for impeachment & not-for-profit healthcare also, but with better plans than DK.
uterfan 4 years ago
That is the same stupid line John Edwards supporters and Obama supporters will use. I will not be persuaded to vote for an inferior candidate. Mike Gravel's record and positions are too awesome. Don't waste your vote with the ignorant, vote Mike Gravel.
overmind25 4 years ago
Mike Gravel is a saint among men. We as a country aren't good enough for him, unfortunately.
weirdbizdotcom 4 years ago 5
Some of us fighters are not only good enough for him, we're ready to stand behind him.
partgreen 4 years ago 3
love you
love dennis too
i wish you were a team.
i'm sorry he's been this way towards you
Justin9Noble 4 years ago 4
Thank you Justin!
In our frustration and anger over the system, we should remember that if we are to change ANYTHING we have to drop the rancour and become a Human Team.
gmfutube 4 years ago 3
go mike go....
wasy35 4 years ago 4
The corporate mainstream media have officially ended free speech in America. They are the weapon used by the CORRUPT MILITARY INDUSTRIAL WEAPONS MANUFACTURERS WHO OWN THEM to silence any Presidential candidate who wants to bring peace to America.You may as well all stay home and forget voting.You are no longer living in a democracy.The rich elite make the rules.
johndownunder 4 years ago 5
I'd like to see Dennis respond to this one. He's been ignoring Mike this whole time. That's an excellent way for Dennis to build resentment among people who might otherwise support his cause. Dennis, you sided with corruption and that makes you corrupt whether you want to admit it or not.
Gravelian Rebellion is Rising 2008
BamaGravelian 4 years ago 3
Thats a bit harsh! Don't burn bridges with your allies. (I would say that t Dennis too)
johnlepo 4 years ago 3
say it to Dennis First. We gave him plenty opportunity to take a stand and he only did it when it was in his own self interest
oldhacks 4 years ago 2
I heard from a taxi driver that drove kucinich that he was a real jerk - also from a green party candidate that the dems were just using him to keep the anti-war crowd on their side.
driubi 4 years ago 4
Politics aside, I don't like Kucinich at all. He comes across as arrogant and condescending.
From a general impression, I liked Gravel from the beginning, but at first I never thought I would support him. But when I discovered what he stood for, everything changed. Great personality and great message. Doesn't get better than that. No wonder the corporations want to keep him down.
BamaGravelian 4 years ago 4
I also heard the same about using Dennis keeping potential Greens in the Democratic party. I met Dennis and found him to very nice. A politicians job can be stressful, we must keep this in mind.
johnlepo 4 years ago 2
This is nothing new for Dennis the Dweeb. Up until this year, he refused to debate any challengers to the Congressional seat he now occupies. When one of his primary challengers delivered a poster to his Congressional office in his district, Kucinich sent Homeland Security to investigate. Dennis is nothing more than an infant starved for attention and will cry and pout when he doesn't get it.
TBoneHass 4 years ago 3
I have been a DK supporter till I saw
Sen. Gravel at the first debate. I am so very disappointed and I feel that DK let the ball drop on our CAUSE ! (That is, putting it it mildly.) Peace.
Mike, You Are The Man !!!
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago 3
no one is perfect
gravel kucinich paul nader
the truth is powerful
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
Where I find TRUTH is with Gravel !!
Peace. Go Baby !!!
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago
Mikes the only politician I've ever seen run for president in my whole life.
oldhacks 4 years ago 4
Me too, and I was eight when Kennedy was killed.
partgreen 4 years ago 2
Also, NADER !!
ChannelMikeG 4 years ago 2
Add McKinney to that list.
johnlepo 4 years ago 2
Exactly.
EricIndiana 4 years ago 2
Don't just blame Kucinich, blame Amy Goodman too.
wudunion 4 years ago
Oh ya, I blame that gatekeeper too.
She says GE owns NBC
But who all funds her show?
The Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford Foundations.
EricIndiana 4 years ago 3
I'd hold off on that for now, Den Now provides information vital to us. Dem Now will prove itself trust me.
Vektor417 4 years ago
/watch?v=c5ks8hz5Ulg
i don't have enough space to type how great Dem Now is but they have John Pilger on for god's sake! do your self a favor for truth, google-video search John Pilger right now.
Vektor417 4 years ago
Good speech, but that is all Mike Gravel.
Pilger is like Chomsky and other dissidents.
Big on the criticism of the US and Western policy, but not a clue as to where that policy is stemming from.
EricIndiana 4 years ago
Well as soon as it does let me know.
EricIndiana 4 years ago
We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!
lostinmaya 4 years ago 3
Dennis, how could you? I had faith in you, man!
I'll give him a benefit of the doubt, but this makes me want to support Mike all the more.
Go Mike!
LittleRachael 4 years ago 3
Dennis never had faith in you. Neither do any of the other candidates. Only Mike has faith in you & the American people, with the National Initiative.
uterfan 4 years ago 4
Shame on Dennis for never saying anything. Now it's happening to him.
DeathRattle101 4 years ago
This and Kucinich's ordering of his voters to support Obama as a second choice doesn't sit right with me. It's an absolute shame that Kucinich doesn't stand up for fellow dissenters when it counts.
hellsunicorn 4 years ago 2
I'm glad to see that someone is pointing out how Kucinich can seem to be a hypocrite at times. Not that I don't have respect for the congressman, but he is, as Mike would say, "politics as usual".
waste234 4 years ago 3
I'm a Ron Paul supporter but saying Kucinich, who did everything to stop the invasion of Iraq before it happened, when everyone supported it is "politics as usual" is just too much.
givebirthathome 4 years ago
Ron Paul has a plan to stop the collapse of the dollar. Everyone else pretends it is not going to happen and proposes plans to make it worse. I don't even know what to say to people that don't understand this.
crazycatfguy 4 years ago 2
The collapse of the $ is almost complete.
I would sincerely like to know what is Paul's plan. I have looked for it & asked supporters.
If you have some links, Please msg me.
gmfutube 4 years ago 2
You aint seen nothing yet! There's a financial tsunami coming our way. ONLY Dr Paul is offering a SOLUTION:
For more detail, check out:
ronpaul2008 DOT com/issues/ and
ronpaullibrary DOT org
but essentially:
* STOP PRINTING MONEY!! Abolish the Federal Reserve Bank, and return to SOUND money, backed by gold, not IOUs from a PRIVATE CORPORATION, as the "Fed" is. Transition to such by allowing monetary competition -- let the market decide. This will END THE "INFLATION TAX"!
lastnymleft 4 years ago
* Change foreign policy, saving a TRILLION dollars a year. That money would be redirected into the DOMESTIC economy, NOT spent overseas.
* Slash wasteful, interfering, UNCONSTITUTIONAL expenditures - whole beauracracies!
* LET THE FREE MARKET WORK. Government intervention to "avoid" a correction only makes it worse. (eg Wanting to BORROW / PRINT money, to stimulate the economy is what is causing the dollar to crash in the first place!)
lastnymleft 4 years ago
Cries for a FREE MARKET are what led to the de-regulation of the finance markets that created this mess.
The wasteful spending is the other component.
gmfutube 4 years ago 2
I agree with the Cause of the problem 100%, and have for over 30 years.
I would like a link to the specific plan for transition to monetary competition.
The "Market", wich is often a synonym for Greed, needs some type of structure and regulation.
PS - there isn't enough gold to back even a small fraction of our money.
What happens to saving when the money supply is contracted?
gmfutube 4 years ago