After some time listening to 'djent' (I know it's not a genre but I don't know what else to call it), I can tell it is hard to create a polyrhythm that sounds complex and not only sounds like a simple 4/4. That is one of many things Meshuggah does good
@t3hdanman well, what do you think? "I" doesn't count and neither does anything off of catch 33 seeing as they were all played by a drum machine. Honestly man, I'm open for opinions.
do you guys know that tomas haake learns these drum parts, he doesnt create them he does write the lyrics for he band though i think thats pretty fucking amazing though i mean try learning all these fuckin drum parts, thats pretty fuckin hard
@dujl not really, watch the metal injection interview, he says theres a guy in the band that writes them and he learns them, tomas creates lyrics thoough
@JackMehoff845 No, you're fucking wrong, you fucking idiot. I've watched every fucking interview, and yes, sometimes he does learn the drums, but he does also write some of the songs, where the drum parts are his own. Why do you think he would never write songs? That's fucking retarded, and you're a fool for believing so.
@dujl in the metal injection interview he says and i quote "pretty much all the tracks are written by one guy and then we add the lyrics i write the lyrics and whoever writes the track writes the drum parts too which is a big misconception that many people have since alot of our drum parts are kinda complex and what not and alot of people think that automatically i write the drum parts but thats not the case whoever writes the track writes the drum parts pretty much all of it
I don't know much about time signatures, although I am able to tap my fingers along to the guitar parts, in most of their songs, witch almost always follows the bass pedal.....I'm getting prepared for when I get that 8 string woo woo.
@rololoo no need to sound offensive but... you're a DUMB ASS haha why would any composer ever use 9/16 when they can effectively 4/4? just because the rhythmic cadence repeats after 4 measures doesn't mean the rhythm, in it's entirety, is going to just become one big ass measure. do you realize how much harder it would be to read it in one big measure. ok, maybe calling you a dumb ass was too far. but, you should learn how to recognize a rhythmic cadence when you see one.
What the fuck are you on about, it's clearly you who doesn't know shit. I know better than you what they are doing, it's all 4/4 and keeping that 4/4 feel throughout is important. I clearly just explained this guy that there's an individual repeating pattern that happens to be 9/16 in duration and it's played in 4/4 time (=polyrhythm), you're the stupid fuck here.
@rololoo Quite an arrogant comment, although it was correct. Only one mistake; when a two time signatures are played simultaenously, like in meshuggah, they are not acutally polyrythms, they are polymeters. Google can tell you the difference. Polyrythms are two different tempos that adds up at the end of each bar while polymeters are two different time signatures that do not usually add up at the end of a bar :D
I think all of you guys are just jealous. Everyone has a style that is unique non the less and it seems if you were in the band Meshuggah you wouldn't be making fuck stick comments about anyone else's drumming style. Go practice your paradiddles.
@funknotik yes he has a high hat on the right side of his trumkit since he doesn't even use a ride(anymore) so i guess it's for a more comfortable position to use the other cymbals
@funknotik uhhhhh, i don't know what is so incredible about hitting a hi hat with quarter notes, its amazing playing, yes, but I really do not understand your comment at all
@pulsating123 LOL! Yeah I meant that as a separate statement, nothing amazing about 8th notes. He has a high hat stand on the right which is unorthodox. Also his playing is impressive.
@funknotik right. he has two hi hats, the right one is fixed and the other one he can control with his foot. he plays double bass so much that the idea of using only one hi hat and having to re adjust it between fixed and being closed or totally open would be a total bitch, hahaha
in most songs his hands just play a standard 4/4 beat with a snare on the 3. but you can write a 4/4 beat as a 3/4 if you want so it's all pretty relative.
Anyway his independance is sickening, I'm practising it and I got some easy shit down but DAMN it's insane.
I absolutely agree about this. Look at all the geeks going into lenghty and dorky at best over-explanation of the simple concept of laying down a guitar riff that isn't 4/4 over a drum beat that is 4/4 like it needed to be broken down into time signatures to be understood...
@SoilentGr33n Actually it does moron. Considering they'll take a riff is in an odd time repeat it 3 to 4 times and on the last repeat they'll change the time signature so the entire repetition of the riff = to to 4/4 whether it be 4/4 repeating 3 times or even 8 times.
What are you are explaining is syncopation. What they are explaining is metric modulation. Fail.
@Polyrthyawhut and exactly what does that change what I said?
I mean it's still the same thing, except for the last repeat where it is tweaked so the entire sequence is 4/4 across the board.
You still don't need to break that down to understand it. I've jammed simple Meshuggah riffs with people that had no idea what a time signature was, they just had steady rythm but they understood what was going on.
You don't need to break it down into time signatures to understand it is still my point.
That's because almost every god damn Meshuggah song is 4/4. You don't even need to know what a time signature is to understand what they do and that is precisely why this band is so amazing.
@SoilentGr33n thank you! im so sick of yelling at these meshuggah "fans" who post their stupid videos of them playing what they think are meshuggah parts on their squires and posting" 438/2344 part like meshuggah!" and then all their friends saying how meshuggah uses so much math and blah! FUCK THAT THEY FEEL THEIR MUSIC OUT, AND I FEEL IT TOO, THATS WHAT MESHUGGAH IS ABOUT!
@SoilentGr33n It's rare that any music is out of 4/4, unless it/s 6/8 or 3/4, metal heads just think they are smart because they listen to techy music and understand fundamental notation.
@Visurit "It's rare that any music is out of 4/4, unless it/s 6/8 or 3/4" you can write it in whatever timesignature you want it to be. It's not rare, I can even give examples of music written without a timesignature, no rythmic notations. Are you sure you know enough? Because When I'm listening to your band I kinda feel you're fantasy is kind of limited on a musical level.
To everyone adamantly disagreeing with me, yes, the high hat/splash cymbal pattern is in 4/4. However, the snare is in 7/8(?). THUS it is a polyrhythm, and only half of the drum part is in 4/4.
@ICreamsodAI Of course it's how you look at it... but me as a drummer myself would like to see the whole pattern as 4/4
But I can't say you're wrong ;-) Just different ways of seeing the rhytms... Of course you could count the 9/16 pattern... Therefore you could see it as a 9/16 patern with 4th notes in it...
If you're interested I'm 100% Haake thinks the 4/4 - After speaking with Morgan Ågren (Swedish drummer). I gave him questions about Sol Niger Within and got the answer.
But if you had to choose a side here, 4/4 makes more sense. Just because a certain guitar riff doesn't end or repeat in exactly 4 measures doesn't mean it can't fit into that mold. You could pick a starting and ending point of a passage completely arbitrarily if you want and feel cool calling it 13/16 or 11/8. It's all open to intrepretation. Wensteri is right. Haake obviously sees music this way, because his drum beats almost always boil the music down to 4/4. Don't try to over complicate it.
the thing about odd number time signatures is that if the cymbals are on a solid 4/4 beat and the the snare/bass are in 5/4 7/8 or 13/8 or whatever the cymbals go from being on the downbeat to being on the up beat when the 5/4 or 7/8 or w/e beat on the bass snare repeat. Which gives it a unique sound. Yeah you could write it in a 4/4 but it would look like a jumbled mess.
thomas haake is simply a hard working ass drummer. Im sure hes the master mind behind all these complicated patterns/rythms. and just so you know.... for the most part, its in 4/4. he occasionally ventures outside of that, but only occasionally.
Yeah, there was an interview in Modern Drummer about a year ago where we was talking about how they think of time. Basically, everything is 4/4 and even when it isn't they just don't stop to think about it. It's very organic.
Nope, usually behind all the pholyrhythms, there's a solid 4/4 time signature. You can divide the structure of a Meshuggah song to different time signatures, but eventually, they all add up to a number that is dividable by four. Usually.
any number can be divided by four if you are willing to add enough measures. meshuggah hardly ever plays in 4/4, you just hear the 4/4 accents because one cymbal is usually kept in 4/4 cause he's crazy and does shit like that
Totally agree. If I were to approach one of their songs, I wouldn't count to four (actually, I don't really count time signatures, I just block my thoughts and run on muscle memory). Nonetheless, my point was that they tend to add enough measures to say that they play in 4/4 while it's clear that they don't. But then a song like Bleed is played in 4/4. The 3/16 double bass bursts don't even create the illusion of odd time signatures because the 4/4 beat is so clear.
@Purkinje90 Of course I can....listen to the cymbals...Well...thats 4/4... you all try to analyse deeply things and facts which are obvious...Just listen to the cymbals...in almost all of the meshuggah's songs..and they are mainly in 4/4.Sometimes Haake blows my mind off with his brilliant 5/4 patterns...in may be 2 or three songs...Cheers!
@rockajiqta1 You are a tid mis informed, and or are just under rating him. Yes, most of which that is meshuggah is in just plain " 4/4" or common time; however he plays almost constantly in a "compound meter" , in which his ligaments are all play in a different time signature. A prime example of this, one that youve all heard and can relate to is the song "bleed" w/ a hurata patter ( RLR L) on the feet aka a triplet feel ( 3/4 ) and a standard 4/4 on the hands. Hope that helps.
Excuse my misspelling , and you still got the point. 3/16 , 3/4 , really? come on , dont be so knit picky when you appear to agree w/ me. Ill post a cool compound meter polyrythm soon. Its cool. the 3/4 patter i have on the feet is a lot harder then a herta, cus the feet for bleed repeat, the feet on mine dont repeat for 3 bars of 4/4 or 4 bars of 3/4 , depending how you count, and i have a basic 4/4 on the hands, but i add ghost notes. You should add my page to your friend list to see it soon:)
i was just pointin out he plays the bleed pattern as thirty seconds/sixteenths so the single herta itself resolves in 3/16, but as you said i'd classify it in 3/4 also (with the 4:3 feel as i said earlier)
@66Ganon yep,man I think you've got me wrong, I could never underratevthe unique technique that he uses, I've never said he doesn't play in compound meter, i just said that the main beat is 100% 4/4..
That would be logical, but the C comes from a semi-circle that used to indicate a binary division of the bar, a full circle would indicate a ternary division. A binary division was regarded as "imperfect" hence the semi circle.
@ICreamsodAI . . . I'm really curious what Meshuggah would say if someone asked them about this TS issue. I can't say for sure because I haven't heard it from them, but I'd be willing to bet they don't think of their music in the way everyone is trying to analyze it. They write a passage or a rhythm, then shape the music around it. They probably don't give half a shit what TS it's in.
True. I would be very interested myself. But the usual process of establishing a time signature revolves around trying to find a repeated or common pattern. Most of their riffs would be seemingly chaotic if one were to count it in 4/4. However, seeing how one of my comments got 7 thumbs down, there is serious potential for me to be completely misguided :D
Yeah ..Travis Barker has his own sound too. Nuff said? Ecxept that Hack is such a short stack compared to a Bonham. Just a littlehardly known band from Sweden that soundsand plays shit music. Who cares? carry on. no dent to culture happening here.
Just ignore rrdrums. He is trolling on each and every Meshuggah video. He also likes to expose a fellow AA member, which apparently, is against the rules.
Just ignore him, he has zero respect for others and is trying to spread hate and his anal-received AIDS because daddy didn't hug him.
@MikePostDrums yes..rrdrums is a faggot. I have seen him make bullshit comment on tons of Meshuggah and Tomas Haake drum solo videos. He has no life apparently. Tomas Haake has more talent in his pinky finger than that little douche will ever have. I wish him well though, have high hopes that maybe one day he will actually get a life and find other things to do with his time other than be a youtube troll.
rrdrums110.... You're a little jazz facist, aren't you? Why don't you suck you're own butthair for dental floss. As we say in Sweden: Sug kuk ditt lilla as. Billy Cobham...hahahaha. Priceless
Wow...rrdrums is here too.....damn.....this guy is a fucking virus....he seems to think he has some kind of objective appraisal of quality to bash other peoples music....he is a very sad and lonely person and needs very special attention....and he still lives with his mom.....what a knob....
Yeah they sure did change things.. But you must be nuts to think anything this asswipe did is for the better. The only reason you say these things is because you can actually play this stuff and fail so miserably when you tried to cop John. That's the whole sad pathetic story of you losers. 200million albums against how many thousand? How many drummers and people know a zep song just by the drum sound? You guys are stupid. and frankly I'm gald this crap won't ever be heard wide and far.Nihilists
@rrdrums110 You are one sad and lonely being. Bonham is a great drummer, no doubt, but there are better ones. Haake is undoubtedly one of those drummers. If you can't see that then you're blinded by conservatism and stupidity in general!
@Oxpost If you really want to stay behind your statement, do your homework on Bonham's influence (on a majority of drummers in every style), his discography , his studio and live sound & groove. Comparing musicians is absurd on it's own, but saying someone is actually better than Bonham is even worse. Haake is wicked and creative, don't ruin it by saying he is better than someone or vice versa ; )
@Oxpost You're all as bad as one another.. you can't get "better" in musical terms.. because "better" is subjective... I might think a cat down the road sounds better than Jimi Hendrix... so while people tend to agree that the more technically proficient someone is at their instrument, they are generally "better" players.. it's still a matter of preference to the individual.
this is a message to every youtuber who is is either a drummer or enjoys watching drum videos..no matter what DO NOT respond to "rrdrums110"..no matter how irritating his insanely ignorant comments may be.he is a sad sad old man who claims to be a drummer..he goes around to every single drum video he can find that may feature a modern drummer..he slanders the drummer and any fans the drummer may have.he claims to be this drum master yet he hasnt posted a single video of his mind blowing skills.
..if his rantings are sincere than i believe the explanation is this....he is just bitter over the fact that he is old and music as well as everything else has changed and will continue to change...drums have progressed and his fav old time drummers are being left in the dust.....john bohnam was an amazing drummer but it is just absurd to say that he is better than tomas haake or danny carey or gavin harrison...
Good point, and it is arguable that Haakes sound/style is just as recognizable as Bohnams. Hell anyone whom follows any drummer can pick the style! Ulrich, Haake, Menza, Lombardo, Cavalera, Tempesta ALL have very distict styles and sounds and can be picked out of any track, anywhere. rrdrum may have point in his own right about "pure elitist" drumming...but there are far more drummers that deserve as much, if not more, credit for changing drumming as we know it.
..these drummers were influenced by the old timers for sure..but they have taken the art form farther...thats just the way things go..old white religious moron is terrified of change?!?!?!....old white religious shithead is too dumb to see beyond the primitive good bad , black and white paradigm??!?!!!..lol..he is beyond pathetic ... the only way to deal with someone as weak and low as him is to ignore him completely
...i tried to engage him in a conversation maybe half a year ago....i realized quickly that my efforts were pointless....hes not interested in civil discussion...he is either insane, has extremely low intelligence, or he is just out for attention...either way...he deserves our pity but nothing else..
..soooo from this point forward ...anyone who sees this comment...take my advice please....dont waste ur time responding to this lower than shit moron...ignore him and he will go away...for instance i wont respond to whatever idiotic message he sends me in reply to this comment...thats just the way to handle people like him...IGNORE HIM!!!......be well everybody and ...one more thing....MESHUGGAH!!!!!!!!!!
rrdrums does know this guy is renkown for only this style.Perhaps this insignificant fact jades rrdrums and makes him tell so fuckeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen what? The Hack has got a suckass style thing together. Like wow dude I'm so underwhelmed!!!! let me know when he can jam some hotass blues or funkor cover a deeppurple or zep tune. When? The second Tuesday of next week.That's when...
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahah
Meaning? He sucks donkey dick w/his onelameass style
Does anybody think Tomas Haake can cover rrdouchebags Rock and Roll is here to stay track? LOL!!!!!! For those that want to hear rrdouchebags claim to fame, check out Thinchap's channel and play the vid rrdrums110 tells it like it is...Or go to my channel as I have it as a favorite even though it blows!!! LOL!! You all be sure to leave a comment on how awesome Jeff Jones' drum skills are...
Yeah like this guy could do anything but wonder how in the hell does Tony Williams sound like that O rBuddy rich or carl palmer or virgil donati or jo jo mayer or Ian Paice or Billy Cobham.
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No matter what the time is here it really doesn't change the fact that it sucks donkey dick now does it? very few people on planet earth prefer a shit and confusing sound as this asshat drummer seems so interested in. Does he want to end up homeless and broke that badly? Start the meth injections now then. he sounds like he already smokes it. he plays like a tweak. Probably takes his drum set apart in the middle of a session and all that crazy shit too. If he thinks this sounds good u r fucked
i just CAN'T NOT watch it
activehead 3 months ago
I get the feeling inside of me, when I listen to this and learn it in my head, like if it was christmas. A really good feeling. Brillianshuggah.
NoaOno 5 months ago
After some time listening to 'djent' (I know it's not a genre but I don't know what else to call it), I can tell it is hard to create a polyrhythm that sounds complex and not only sounds like a simple 4/4. That is one of many things Meshuggah does good
NoaOno 5 months ago
@NoaOno Math metal.
GreenMeep 4 months ago
It's the ponytail.
HannahLover138 7 months ago
Man that china is fucking beastly
Mugenloo 7 months ago
damn that snare's tightttttt!
johnnystoner 8 months ago
O yea..
Ozzyfbc 8 months ago
Hardest meshuggah song
slowblood99 9 months ago
@slowblood99 Lol?
t3hdanman 8 months ago
@t3hdanman well, what do you think? "I" doesn't count and neither does anything off of catch 33 seeing as they were all played by a drum machine. Honestly man, I'm open for opinions.
slowblood99 8 months ago
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@slowblood99 Bleed :D And they do play some Catch 33 live. In Death - Is Life and the first half of In Death - Is Death.
Also, "Well no shit lol. 'I' is fucking impossible to play by any human standards." Tomas Haake is inhuman >:O!!
t3hdanman 8 months ago
@slowblood99 It's hard because it's fast, but "I" is much much harder, mainly because it's 21 minutes long and totally random....and fast
Chameleonizer 8 months ago
@Chameleonizer Well no shit lol. "I" is fucking impossible to play by any human standards.
slowblood99 8 months ago
do you guys know that tomas haake learns these drum parts, he doesnt create them he does write the lyrics for he band though i think thats pretty fucking amazing though i mean try learning all these fuckin drum parts, thats pretty fuckin hard
JackMehoff845 9 months ago
@JackMehoff845 Lol, yeah, he does create the drum parts he write. He does write songs entire songs.
dujl 8 months ago
@dujl not really, watch the metal injection interview, he says theres a guy in the band that writes them and he learns them, tomas creates lyrics thoough
JackMehoff845 8 months ago
@JackMehoff845 No, you're fucking wrong, you fucking idiot. I've watched every fucking interview, and yes, sometimes he does learn the drums, but he does also write some of the songs, where the drum parts are his own. Why do you think he would never write songs? That's fucking retarded, and you're a fool for believing so.
dujl 8 months ago
@dujl in the metal injection interview he says and i quote "pretty much all the tracks are written by one guy and then we add the lyrics i write the lyrics and whoever writes the track writes the drum parts too which is a big misconception that many people have since alot of our drum parts are kinda complex and what not and alot of people think that automatically i write the drum parts but thats not the case whoever writes the track writes the drum parts pretty much all of it
JackMehoff845 8 months ago
@JackMehoff845 Exactly! And he does write tracks. Were you not aware?
Haake worked on Soul Burn, The Exquisite Machinery of Torture, Stengah, Glints Collide, Organic Shadows, Spasm, Electric Red and This Spiteful Snake.
He also makes some subtle changes to most drum tracks to make them more suitable to his style of playing.
dujl 8 months ago
what a machine...
ottawadrummer 10 months ago
I don't know much about time signatures, although I am able to tap my fingers along to the guitar parts, in most of their songs, witch almost always follows the bass pedal.....I'm getting prepared for when I get that 8 string woo woo.
DeathByPlane00 10 months ago
@DeathByPlane00 listen to the cymbals and it will give you the time signature most Meshuggah songs are 4/4 the pedals are for the strum hand.
slipknot1012003 9 months ago
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DeathByPlane00 10 months ago
Haters gonna hate. Everyone stop bitching and enjoy the music.
Ragnarockalypse 10 months ago
i'm not gay but i would happily gargle this mans balls
Slayer100 11 months ago 10
The guitarist also used syncopation too I reckon
FishingBrisbane 11 months ago
sounds African
FishingBrisbane 11 months ago
i think this is a 7/8 over 4/4 polyrhythm and a whole load of syncopation no?
compoundguy 1 year ago
@compoundguy
No. It's 9/16 over 4/4, starts over after four measures of 4/4.
rololoo 11 months ago
@rololoo its just straigt 4?4 with some off time groupings,it has a polyrythm feel but its still 4?4
cruzdrum 10 months ago
@cruzdrum That's what I said, duh.
rololoo 10 months ago
@rololoo no need to sound offensive but... you're a DUMB ASS haha why would any composer ever use 9/16 when they can effectively 4/4? just because the rhythmic cadence repeats after 4 measures doesn't mean the rhythm, in it's entirety, is going to just become one big ass measure. do you realize how much harder it would be to read it in one big measure. ok, maybe calling you a dumb ass was too far. but, you should learn how to recognize a rhythmic cadence when you see one.
yourmamma63 10 months ago
@yourmamma63
What the fuck are you on about, it's clearly you who doesn't know shit. I know better than you what they are doing, it's all 4/4 and keeping that 4/4 feel throughout is important. I clearly just explained this guy that there's an individual repeating pattern that happens to be 9/16 in duration and it's played in 4/4 time (=polyrhythm), you're the stupid fuck here.
rololoo 10 months ago
@rololoo Quite an arrogant comment, although it was correct. Only one mistake; when a two time signatures are played simultaenously, like in meshuggah, they are not acutally polyrythms, they are polymeters. Google can tell you the difference. Polyrythms are two different tempos that adds up at the end of each bar while polymeters are two different time signatures that do not usually add up at the end of a bar :D
MrElias090295 9 months ago
@MrElias090295
Actually if you did any research yourself you'd realize they use both polyrhythms and polymeters.
rololoo 9 months ago
I hate the double kick pedal. Sounds like total shit.
This Vid SUCKS.
flymarvin 1 year ago
@flymarvin your whining and close minded nonsense to syncopation and musical ignorance sounds like shit :)
Strife153 1 year ago 2
stop whining.. Damn.
TheWezel1995 1 year ago
@flymarvin
I hate single pedal, sounds like shit,... is THERE ANY LOGIC? fag,..
XashmanHlukPyco 11 months ago
i love his drumset :)))))))))))))
aaron4ism 1 year ago
The syncopation on the bass drum is insane! And it flows so well...This drummer is something else.
lepistolero12 1 year ago
FUCKING TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE FAGGOTS AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
94hourstilAHIG 1 year ago
who the fuck is joey jordison??! this dudes fucking insane.
sebz661 1 year ago
Tomas Haake.....omg....
GeorgePougasJR 1 year ago
how??
Niallphillips 1 year ago
Phew, those are some arousing beats.
dujl 1 year ago
I think all of you guys are just jealous. Everyone has a style that is unique non the less and it seems if you were in the band Meshuggah you wouldn't be making fuck stick comments about anyone else's drumming style. Go practice your paradiddles.
MsM3G 1 year ago
weeeeeeeee!
pulsating123 1 year ago
Id pay this guy £1000 to spend a day hanging out and playin drums. No really I would, so Tomas would you accept the offer?
dreamopeth 1 year ago
can anyone give example of a meshuggah song not in 4/4?
thepactissealed 1 year ago
@thepactissealed organic shadows from nothing. intro is in 5/4...not sure about the rest of it.
hellonieman 1 year ago
@hellonieman nah
thats a pretty fucked up beat going on there but its 6-5-5
which is 16
thepactissealed 1 year ago
Is that second open high hat he is hitting with his right hand? fucking amazing.
funknotik 1 year ago
@funknotik yes he has a high hat on the right side of his trumkit since he doesn't even use a ride(anymore) so i guess it's for a more comfortable position to use the other cymbals
Jangen 1 year ago
@funknotik uhhhhh, i don't know what is so incredible about hitting a hi hat with quarter notes, its amazing playing, yes, but I really do not understand your comment at all
pulsating123 1 year ago
@pulsating123 LOL! Yeah I meant that as a separate statement, nothing amazing about 8th notes. He has a high hat stand on the right which is unorthodox. Also his playing is impressive.
funknotik 1 year ago
@funknotik right. he has two hi hats, the right one is fixed and the other one he can control with his foot. he plays double bass so much that the idea of using only one hi hat and having to re adjust it between fixed and being closed or totally open would be a total bitch, hahaha
pulsating123 1 year ago
@funknotik then again, i am having a hard time thinking of any meshuggah song where the hi hat is totally closed
pulsating123 1 year ago
@pulsating123 hes playing closed hats somewhere near the ending of straws
thepactissealed 1 year ago
@pulsating123 The verse of Perpetual Black Second and the end of Straws Pulled At Random.
Th3Congregation 1 year ago
@pulsating123
He also plays closed hihats on Spasm
rololoo 1 year ago
@rololoo and on bleed (a liiiitle bit)
allmetaliswelcome 1 year ago
People, his drum beats are almost always 4/4 but thats not the point, his phrasing is usually in another time signature, thats it. gees.
chiefofsparta 2 years ago
in most songs his hands just play a standard 4/4 beat with a snare on the 3. but you can write a 4/4 beat as a 3/4 if you want so it's all pretty relative.
Anyway his independance is sickening, I'm practising it and I got some easy shit down but DAMN it's insane.
Orancube 2 years ago
Its the syncopation!! SO MUCH SYNCOPATION
eskimodrummer123 2 years ago 75
@eskimodrummer123 So much poly-rythms.. :(
0sk4rb 1 year ago
@0sk4rb hey thats the beauity behind tomas haake 4/4 poly-rythms
Z32spdstr 1 year ago
Jag har alltid älskat sin trumma. :)
Dethkloz123 2 years ago
@Dethkloz123 Nice try, hehe...
bobrobertsz 2 years ago
Jag måste.
översätta från Internet är kul: D
Dethkloz123 2 years ago
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God Damn..in every meshuggah video there is talking about time signatures...someone kill the guy who started this!!!!
BloodDrunk17 2 years ago
lol :)
schandorff666 2 years ago
I absolutely agree about this. Look at all the geeks going into lenghty and dorky at best over-explanation of the simple concept of laying down a guitar riff that isn't 4/4 over a drum beat that is 4/4 like it needed to be broken down into time signatures to be understood...
Very good comment.
SoilentGr33n 2 years ago
@SoilentGr33n Actually it does moron. Considering they'll take a riff is in an odd time repeat it 3 to 4 times and on the last repeat they'll change the time signature so the entire repetition of the riff = to to 4/4 whether it be 4/4 repeating 3 times or even 8 times.
What are you are explaining is syncopation. What they are explaining is metric modulation. Fail.
Polyrthyawhut 1 year ago
@Polyrthyawhut and exactly what does that change what I said?
I mean it's still the same thing, except for the last repeat where it is tweaked so the entire sequence is 4/4 across the board.
You still don't need to break that down to understand it. I've jammed simple Meshuggah riffs with people that had no idea what a time signature was, they just had steady rythm but they understood what was going on.
You don't need to break it down into time signatures to understand it is still my point.
SoilentGr33n 1 year ago
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@BloodDrunk17 " God Damn..in every meshuggah video there is talking about time signatures...someone kill the guy who started this!!!! "
Ok, people lets talk about the weather in scotland.
Are you fucking kidding me son?
Premoguys 9 months ago
I read an interview where Tomas said all of the songs from ObZen are in 4.
spacitydrummer4JC 2 years ago
That's because almost every god damn Meshuggah song is 4/4. You don't even need to know what a time signature is to understand what they do and that is precisely why this band is so amazing.
SoilentGr33n 2 years ago 18
@SoilentGr33n thank you! im so sick of yelling at these meshuggah "fans" who post their stupid videos of them playing what they think are meshuggah parts on their squires and posting" 438/2344 part like meshuggah!" and then all their friends saying how meshuggah uses so much math and blah! FUCK THAT THEY FEEL THEIR MUSIC OUT, AND I FEEL IT TOO, THATS WHAT MESHUGGAH IS ABOUT!
TheMemorySense 9 months ago
@SoilentGr33n It's rare that any music is out of 4/4, unless it/s 6/8 or 3/4, metal heads just think they are smart because they listen to techy music and understand fundamental notation.
Visurit 8 months ago
@Visurit You can write music in whatever timesignature you want it to be.
TheHeraldic 6 months ago
@TheHeraldic Thanks for making a statement which had almost no relevance to what i said.
Visurit 6 months ago
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@Visurit "It's rare that any music is out of 4/4, unless it/s 6/8 or 3/4" you can write it in whatever timesignature you want it to be. It's not rare, I can even give examples of music written without a timesignature, no rythmic notations. Are you sure you know enough? Because When I'm listening to your band I kinda feel you're fantasy is kind of limited on a musical level.
TheHeraldic 6 months ago
@Visurit your*
TheHeraldic 6 months ago
@SoilentGr33n Not every, sometimes they just put in a 2/4 or a 5/4 so not all the time.
MALSIV 6 months ago
@MALSIV
way to read, "almost every" is what he said.
howycwap 5 months ago
@SoilentGr33n yeah true. People get thrown off by the polyrhythms.
dzpisx 6 months ago
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TommyAngelo99 2 years ago
To everyone adamantly disagreeing with me, yes, the high hat/splash cymbal pattern is in 4/4. However, the snare is in 7/8(?). THUS it is a polyrhythm, and only half of the drum part is in 4/4.
ICreamsodAI 2 years ago
@ICreamsodAI The whole beat is 4/4...
The pattern over it (bassdrum + snare) is a 9/16 pattern.
To fill the bar and make it 4/4 the last 'bassdrum + snare' pattern is a 5/8
It's called subdivide = You could see it as 16th note patterns over a 4/4...
Therefore: 9/16 over a 4/4 (+the 5/8)
gravsjo 2 years ago
@ICreamsodAI Of course it's how you look at it... but me as a drummer myself would like to see the whole pattern as 4/4
But I can't say you're wrong ;-) Just different ways of seeing the rhytms... Of course you could count the 9/16 pattern... Therefore you could see it as a 9/16 patern with 4th notes in it...
If you're interested I'm 100% Haake thinks the 4/4 - After speaking with Morgan Ågren (Swedish drummer). I gave him questions about Sol Niger Within and got the answer.
gravsjo 2 years ago
Yeah I kinda figured. I'm sure it's much easier to just count in 4/4 for drummers.
ICreamsodAI 2 years ago
@ICreamsodAI
polymeters actually
people have been using the wrong terminology
tut tut tut
00Dakka 2 years ago
Perspective I suppose. It's 4/4 with patterns of different time signatures played over it. But however you want to look at it, yes it's polyrhythmic.
pyrofreek005 2 years ago
YOU ARE CORRECT, however the whole song is counted in 4/4, but he does a polyryghm over it.
66Ganon 2 years ago
But if you had to choose a side here, 4/4 makes more sense. Just because a certain guitar riff doesn't end or repeat in exactly 4 measures doesn't mean it can't fit into that mold. You could pick a starting and ending point of a passage completely arbitrarily if you want and feel cool calling it 13/16 or 11/8. It's all open to intrepretation. Wensteri is right. Haake obviously sees music this way, because his drum beats almost always boil the music down to 4/4. Don't try to over complicate it.
jibninja5000 2 years ago
the thing about odd number time signatures is that if the cymbals are on a solid 4/4 beat and the the snare/bass are in 5/4 7/8 or 13/8 or whatever the cymbals go from being on the downbeat to being on the up beat when the 5/4 or 7/8 or w/e beat on the bass snare repeat. Which gives it a unique sound. Yeah you could write it in a 4/4 but it would look like a jumbled mess.
cileth 2 years ago
for example 1/2/3/4 being the 4/4 time and X being played for 3 beats
1-x 2- 3- 4-x 1- 2- 3-x 4- 1- 2-x 3- 4- 1-x 2- 3- 4-x
eventually repeats itself on the 4th measure
when you could go
1-x 2- 3- 1-x 2- 3- 1-x 2- 3- 1-x 2- 3- 1x- 2- 3- 1-x
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circular101 2 years ago
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BREATHIN' GOD is the best band in the metal fuckin' world!!!!!!
8itch6 2 years ago
thomas haake is simply a hard working ass drummer. Im sure hes the master mind behind all these complicated patterns/rythms. and just so you know.... for the most part, its in 4/4. he occasionally ventures outside of that, but only occasionally.
sterythm 2 years ago 4
Yeah, there was an interview in Modern Drummer about a year ago where we was talking about how they think of time. Basically, everything is 4/4 and even when it isn't they just don't stop to think about it. It's very organic.
TheCobaltRod 2 years ago
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meshuggah rarely plays in 4/4 lol
ICreamsodAI 2 years ago
Nope, usually behind all the pholyrhythms, there's a solid 4/4 time signature. You can divide the structure of a Meshuggah song to different time signatures, but eventually, they all add up to a number that is dividable by four. Usually.
Wensteri 2 years ago
any number can be divided by four if you are willing to add enough measures. meshuggah hardly ever plays in 4/4, you just hear the 4/4 accents because one cymbal is usually kept in 4/4 cause he's crazy and does shit like that
ICreamsodAI 2 years ago
Totally agree. If I were to approach one of their songs, I wouldn't count to four (actually, I don't really count time signatures, I just block my thoughts and run on muscle memory). Nonetheless, my point was that they tend to add enough measures to say that they play in 4/4 while it's clear that they don't. But then a song like Bleed is played in 4/4. The 3/16 double bass bursts don't even create the illusion of odd time signatures because the 4/4 beat is so clear.
Misspelled "polyrhythm". :S
Wensteri 2 years ago
well.. then they're not playing in 4/4 lol
ICreamsodAI 2 years ago
Unless it's a TIME SIGNATURE IN AN IRRATIONAL METER!!1.... :3...lol.
Superterrestrial 2 years ago
Yes..they do.
COBHC279 2 years ago
Yeah, usually.
Try dividing the intro to New Millenium Cyanide Christ into 4 lol!
Purkinje90 2 years ago
@Purkinje90 Of course I can....listen to the cymbals...Well...thats 4/4... you all try to analyse deeply things and facts which are obvious...Just listen to the cymbals...in almost all of the meshuggah's songs..and they are mainly in 4/4.Sometimes Haake blows my mind off with his brilliant 5/4 patterns...in may be 2 or three songs...Cheers!
rockajiqta1 2 years ago
@rockajiqta1 You are a tid mis informed, and or are just under rating him. Yes, most of which that is meshuggah is in just plain " 4/4" or common time; however he plays almost constantly in a "compound meter" , in which his ligaments are all play in a different time signature. A prime example of this, one that youve all heard and can relate to is the song "bleed" w/ a hurata patter ( RLR L) on the feet aka a triplet feel ( 3/4 ) and a standard 4/4 on the hands. Hope that helps.
66Ganon 2 years ago
@66Ganon
it's a herta pattern and it is in 3/16, giving it a 4:3 feel in 3/4 time (dotted eighth note pulse).
metrognome69 2 years ago 2
Excuse my misspelling , and you still got the point. 3/16 , 3/4 , really? come on , dont be so knit picky when you appear to agree w/ me. Ill post a cool compound meter polyrythm soon. Its cool. the 3/4 patter i have on the feet is a lot harder then a herta, cus the feet for bleed repeat, the feet on mine dont repeat for 3 bars of 4/4 or 4 bars of 3/4 , depending how you count, and i have a basic 4/4 on the hands, but i add ghost notes. You should add my page to your friend list to see it soon:)
66Ganon 2 years ago
@66Ganon
i was just pointin out he plays the bleed pattern as thirty seconds/sixteenths so the single herta itself resolves in 3/16, but as you said i'd classify it in 3/4 also (with the 4:3 feel as i said earlier)
metrognome69 2 years ago
@metrognome69 Completely agree :) Keep a look out for my page. Videos very soon.
66Ganon 2 years ago
@66Ganon yep,man I think you've got me wrong, I could never underratevthe unique technique that he uses, I've never said he doesn't play in compound meter, i just said that the main beat is 100% 4/4..
rockajiqta1 2 years ago
@rockajiqta1 OH YEAH, you are right :) It is 99% of the time in all meshuggah songs 4/4 :)
66Ganon 2 years ago
Agreed, lets just say that theres a reason 4/4 time on sheet music is commonly refered to W/ a C, reffering to common time.
66Ganon 2 years ago
That would be logical, but the C comes from a semi-circle that used to indicate a binary division of the bar, a full circle would indicate a ternary division. A binary division was regarded as "imperfect" hence the semi circle.
Faaip0de0oiad 1 year ago
@ICreamsodAI they always play in 4/4, they just play in poly rythems. (:
burningvenom 2 years ago
@ICreamsodAI . . . I'm really curious what Meshuggah would say if someone asked them about this TS issue. I can't say for sure because I haven't heard it from them, but I'd be willing to bet they don't think of their music in the way everyone is trying to analyze it. They write a passage or a rhythm, then shape the music around it. They probably don't give half a shit what TS it's in.
jibninja5000 2 years ago
True. I would be very interested myself. But the usual process of establishing a time signature revolves around trying to find a repeated or common pattern. Most of their riffs would be seemingly chaotic if one were to count it in 4/4. However, seeing how one of my comments got 7 thumbs down, there is serious potential for me to be completely misguided :D
ICreamsodAI 2 years ago
They've said that it's 4/4. I will look and find the link on youtube for you.
HaldirMark 2 years ago
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Yeah ..Travis Barker has his own sound too. Nuff said? Ecxept that Hack is such a short stack compared to a Bonham. Just a littlehardly known band from Sweden that soundsand plays shit music. Who cares? carry on. no dent to culture happening here.
rrdrums110 2 years ago
Just ignore rrdrums. He is trolling on each and every Meshuggah video. He also likes to expose a fellow AA member, which apparently, is against the rules.
Just ignore him, he has zero respect for others and is trying to spread hate and his anal-received AIDS because daddy didn't hug him.
MikePostDrums 2 years ago 65
@MikePostDrums yes..rrdrums is a faggot. I have seen him make bullshit comment on tons of Meshuggah and Tomas Haake drum solo videos. He has no life apparently. Tomas Haake has more talent in his pinky finger than that little douche will ever have. I wish him well though, have high hopes that maybe one day he will actually get a life and find other things to do with his time other than be a youtube troll.
DrRocksosBitch 1 year ago
@DrRocksosBitch He will, one day, get over Haake's awesomeness.
MikePostDrums 1 year ago
@MikePostDrums he trolls every mike portnoy and dream theater video to, he must be jealous of great drummers
liamcarbs 1 year ago
@liamcarbs if he's trolling, then he isn't jealous, he's doing it for entertainment.
lrn2internet
eviltube1111 1 year ago
@MikePostDrums
Yeah totally, that fuckhead spams his uninformed lowlife views everywhere.
senseitre 1 year ago
@MikePostDrums the best thing to do is not scroll down and see his inane comments. I already dominated his simple mind and ignore his dribble.
diabeticmonkey 1 year ago
@MikePostDrums jelous?
kronos213 1 year ago
@kronos213 Jealous of what, exactly?
MikePostDrums 1 year ago
@MikePostDrums lol @ ass aids
LaddersIntoLeitrim 1 year ago 2
rrdrums110.... You're a little jazz facist, aren't you? Why don't you suck you're own butthair for dental floss. As we say in Sweden: Sug kuk ditt lilla as. Billy Cobham...hahahaha. Priceless
apkungen74 2 years ago 3
Wow...rrdrums is here too.....damn.....this guy is a fucking virus....he seems to think he has some kind of objective appraisal of quality to bash other peoples music....he is a very sad and lonely person and needs very special attention....and he still lives with his mom.....what a knob....
wjdsmith 2 years ago 2
haakes playing is to much for your noob amature ears bitch!
torelk 2 years ago
i think you got a point asawhole69...
caffeineaddict213 2 years ago
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Yeah they sure did change things.. But you must be nuts to think anything this asswipe did is for the better. The only reason you say these things is because you can actually play this stuff and fail so miserably when you tried to cop John. That's the whole sad pathetic story of you losers. 200million albums against how many thousand? How many drummers and people know a zep song just by the drum sound? You guys are stupid. and frankly I'm gald this crap won't ever be heard wide and far.Nihilists
rrdrums110 2 years ago
hahhahahhahaha
envious bitter old fart!
asawhole69 2 years ago 4
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mrblakesgrave 2 years ago
@rrdrums110 You are one sad and lonely being. Bonham is a great drummer, no doubt, but there are better ones. Haake is undoubtedly one of those drummers. If you can't see that then you're blinded by conservatism and stupidity in general!
Oxpost 1 year ago
@Oxpost If you really want to stay behind your statement, do your homework on Bonham's influence (on a majority of drummers in every style), his discography , his studio and live sound & groove. Comparing musicians is absurd on it's own, but saying someone is actually better than Bonham is even worse. Haake is wicked and creative, don't ruin it by saying he is better than someone or vice versa ; )
dejd 1 year ago 7
@dejd I know what Bonham has done for the drumming world and I have nothing but respect for the man. But in my opinion, Haake is a better drummer.
Oxpost 1 year ago
@Oxpost You're all as bad as one another.. you can't get "better" in musical terms.. because "better" is subjective... I might think a cat down the road sounds better than Jimi Hendrix... so while people tend to agree that the more technically proficient someone is at their instrument, they are generally "better" players.. it's still a matter of preference to the individual.
SilverEvolver 1 year ago
this is a message to every youtuber who is is either a drummer or enjoys watching drum videos..no matter what DO NOT respond to "rrdrums110"..no matter how irritating his insanely ignorant comments may be.he is a sad sad old man who claims to be a drummer..he goes around to every single drum video he can find that may feature a modern drummer..he slanders the drummer and any fans the drummer may have.he claims to be this drum master yet he hasnt posted a single video of his mind blowing skills.
toolkills 2 years ago 8
..if his rantings are sincere than i believe the explanation is this....he is just bitter over the fact that he is old and music as well as everything else has changed and will continue to change...drums have progressed and his fav old time drummers are being left in the dust.....john bohnam was an amazing drummer but it is just absurd to say that he is better than tomas haake or danny carey or gavin harrison...
toolkills 2 years ago 3
Good point, and it is arguable that Haakes sound/style is just as recognizable as Bohnams. Hell anyone whom follows any drummer can pick the style! Ulrich, Haake, Menza, Lombardo, Cavalera, Tempesta ALL have very distict styles and sounds and can be picked out of any track, anywhere. rrdrum may have point in his own right about "pure elitist" drumming...but there are far more drummers that deserve as much, if not more, credit for changing drumming as we know it.
cmfg600 2 years ago
..these drummers were influenced by the old timers for sure..but they have taken the art form farther...thats just the way things go..old white religious moron is terrified of change?!?!?!....old white religious shithead is too dumb to see beyond the primitive good bad , black and white paradigm??!?!!!..lol..he is beyond pathetic ... the only way to deal with someone as weak and low as him is to ignore him completely
toolkills 2 years ago 3
...i tried to engage him in a conversation maybe half a year ago....i realized quickly that my efforts were pointless....hes not interested in civil discussion...he is either insane, has extremely low intelligence, or he is just out for attention...either way...he deserves our pity but nothing else..
toolkills 2 years ago 2
..soooo from this point forward ...anyone who sees this comment...take my advice please....dont waste ur time responding to this lower than shit moron...ignore him and he will go away...for instance i wont respond to whatever idiotic message he sends me in reply to this comment...thats just the way to handle people like him...IGNORE HIM!!!......be well everybody and ...one more thing....MESHUGGAH!!!!!!!!!!
toolkills 2 years ago 2
Haake invented this style of playing... Meshuggah invented this style of music. In fact Meshuggah wasn't what it is now until Haake joined.
Reading some of the comments below... Guys, show some respect... Haake is badass drummer AND an innovator, and that's rare.
joromark 2 years ago
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See Kickass!!!You're asking THE HACK to fight your battles for you. What a wimp!!!!
Just smoke this suckass Hero track yourself big guy.
rrdrums110 2 years ago
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rrdrums does know this guy is renkown for only this style.Perhaps this insignificant fact jades rrdrums and makes him tell so fuckeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen what? The Hack has got a suckass style thing together. Like wow dude I'm so underwhelmed!!!! let me know when he can jam some hotass blues or funkor cover a deeppurple or zep tune. When? The second Tuesday of next week.That's when...
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahah
Meaning? He sucks donkey dick w/his onelameass style
hahaha
rrdrums110 2 years ago
Does anybody think Tomas Haake can cover rrdouchebags Rock and Roll is here to stay track? LOL!!!!!! For those that want to hear rrdouchebags claim to fame, check out Thinchap's channel and play the vid rrdrums110 tells it like it is...Or go to my channel as I have it as a favorite even though it blows!!! LOL!! You all be sure to leave a comment on how awesome Jeff Jones' drum skills are...
TheKickassdrummer 2 years ago
Yeah like this guy could do anything but wonder how in the hell does Tony Williams sound like that O rBuddy rich or carl palmer or virgil donati or jo jo mayer or Ian Paice or Billy Cobham.
rrdrums110 2 years ago
obvious fail troll is obvious fail
gtfo off our internets, retard
thepoison1627 2 years ago
Hey Thomas... Suck butthair for dental floss. Try to not fuck those young guys youdraw at concerts.
rrdrums110 2 years ago
oh noes, not rrdrums110 again, god no
StraTooS 2 years ago
i dont think rrdrums110 knows that this guy is a renown drummer for this style alone
do your research fuckwit
Hardcore2828 2 years ago
rrdrums110 just doesn't understand it.
xnumxlockx 2 years ago
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Butthairs for dental floss and anal donkey dick style..
rrdrums110 2 years ago
I love how he speed's it up in the end.
brunthroath6912 2 years ago
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No matter what the time is here it really doesn't change the fact that it sucks donkey dick now does it? very few people on planet earth prefer a shit and confusing sound as this asshat drummer seems so interested in. Does he want to end up homeless and broke that badly? Start the meth injections now then. he sounds like he already smokes it. he plays like a tweak. Probably takes his drum set apart in the middle of a session and all that crazy shit too. If he thinks this sounds good u r fucked
rrdrums110 2 years ago
whats confusing about this?
MrEiriku 2 years ago
id love to see tomas haake doing the outro for inside whats within behind
Discreetarcher3 2 years ago