She wanted to make the video clueless. So I will say again she wanted to make a funny video and I said okay. So if you have an issue clueless then take it up with her. Fair enough?
@exsposingtheheritics Spare me the father of the year act. If anyone has disrespected your daughter it was you when you made a video claiming you owned her. Sadly, this sick relationship doesn't come without consequences. Some children opt to get married in a desperate attempt to gain independence, even though they are still children. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Fair enough?
@dunwrkn4 She was the one that decided to do it thou clueless one. All your ridicule is just that. My English sucks but my debate skills are much better tham yours.
Christianity is for those of a lesser mind, those who are afraid to question there existence on a deeper level, those who are unwilling to let life be temporary and beautiful, those who are greedy and desire to be as "themselves" for eternity, people who are afraid to die now live in a fear of God and his wrath to, why is it that he is male? why is his image so anthropomorphic? Why does he supposedly possess infinite powers yet contradict them all the time?
Honestly, I love how everyone buys into homosexuality pity. It really shows the "cattle" aspect of humans, how people can lose their individuality rapidly by something so trivial and outright wrong. Check my post on Rise Against-Savior for the real definition of homosexuality. It's just another category people want in on. Cattle. Absolute cattle. Herding together to brace against a lake of fire, instead of following the shepherd. How are pedo/zoophiles so different? To each his own spot in Hell.
@RAYBABJ Are you retarded? You say he didn't meaning you know what you believe to be FACTS about him. Though based on that I assume you know he had a biological father (god) and father helping take care of him along side Mary. So if two men adopted a child and raised them together, do you believe only one is the father? No, if you did you'd be the most idiotic person I'm ever encountered. They would both be considered fathers of the child meaning Jesus had two as well.
Science has not discovered any gay gene,and does not support this claim. I don't buy that a new born infant is gay, strait or both. How far do we go with ? i was born this way. The gay animals thing is BS. Homosexuality is unique to the human being , and the homosapiens should own it.
@megavlad888 Actually it does occur in nature, its classed as gender blindness. Also homosexual pigeons (or other birds) for instance would actually "adopts" orphan chicks which is absoulutly fascinating if you doubt any fact do some research, its ok to doubt with claim freedom and speech and all but do some research before coming to a solid conclusion its a pretty dam fun activity to get into XD
@BlakeGriffinChannel Actually... homosexual relations in the animal kingdom have been documented. I never wanted to be gay, I just am. It has been scientifically proven that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of biological and environmental factors, that it isn't a mental illness, and that it cannot be changed. You, my friend, are dreadfully behind the times.
" homosexual relations in the animal kingdom have been documented."
I have no reason to doubt you. My point is simple why lower yourself to an animal?
I then went on to give examples of how animals are different then us. So if you are fine lowering yourself to an animal then that is your belief. My belief is what animals do is no justification to bad behavior.
What a complete waste of time! HOMOPERVERTS will ROT IN HELL! End of debate!
1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [fn6] effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS!
When I hear a guy like dr Brown, I simply do not understand him. He claims that there is no gay bashing in his heart. And yet, in his book "A queer thing happened to America" he spends 30 pages on this so called gay agenda. And he says he does not want to link gays with pedophilia, and yet he spends 40 pages on it... And he loves the gays! And yet he accommodates all the lies about the "agenda". He is not gay bashing himself, at least not the psychical part. The flaming hypocrite.
@Ranokian " he spends 30 pages on this so called gay agenda"
So gays are so stupid they can't even make up an agenda? Maybe I am wrong though I may not agree with their lifestyle, I am sure many of them are smart enough to have an agenda to stop in their minds the discrimination that they keep talking about. So help me out. They have no agenda but they want rights. Okay that makes no sense so help me out.
@exsposingtheheritics "they have no agenda but they want rights. Okay that makes no sense so help me out"
That's because you're too steeped into your prejudice to see the facts. Homosexuality does NOT hurt you, but people, especially the religiously delusional, seem to think it's their business to tell others how they can live and act, even when their life and actions are consensual and harmless toward other. If they are harmful, that's a different issue, but they're not.
@exsposingtheheritics With the gay agenda is meant: a secret hidden agenda, containing a program, containing rules and steps how to get to the ideal society, how to get rid of right wing Christians. It is a complete program, it is not some shared goals. And the same agenda is known and shared by the gays and the hundreds, maybe even thousands of gay organisations in the US. It sounds absurd, and it absurd. In real life, the gay agenda is a right wing invention, just to blacklist the gays.
@Ranokian Actually it is not a secret agenda. It is out there in the open. So we can agree that they do have an agenda. I have 5 videos taken down for hate speech so I know it first hand. I have "police reports" against me not because I have threaten a person's safety but I believe that a practicing homosexual will not go to heaven. So it is real and it is a threat to those that have a different view.
@exsposingtheheritics There is a difference between having a common goal, that is what you describe, and an agenda. Agenda: all these hundreds, if not thousands gay organisations all want EXACTLY the same, all use the SAME methods, etc. It is almost presented like it is an operation run with military precision. And that is absurd. And yes, if you use this fantasy about gay agenda against gays, with clearly black listing as goal, it becomes hate-speech. That is correct.
@Ranokian " And yes, if you use this fantasy about gay agenda against gays, with clearly black listing as goal, it becomes hate-speech. That is correct."
@GodIsWorkinOnMe Believe what you want, just keep it out of Civil Society's laws, education, workforce, housing and other civil institutions. You can pray in private or in your church or quietly to yourself, but no one else needs to hear your shit. Science & the Ethic of Reciprocity, NOT religion should be the center of civil behavior.
It really doesnt matter if I tolerant or intolerant of your delusion. I don't care what you believe, it doesn't matter to me. Just keep your beliefs out of my civil arena. Tolerance plays no part in it. If you're not proselytizing, there's nothing I need to say about what you believe, is there? But if you're trying to shove your crap on others, I have plenty to say about it.
@xephyr1000 :It really doesnt matter if I tolerant or intolerant of your delusion. I don't care what you believe, it doesn't matter to me. Just keep your beliefs out of my civil arena. Tolerance plays no part in it"
If it doesn't matter to you what I believe then why " Just keep your beliefs out of my civil arena" So why should you be allow to have your beliefs but not me?
@GodIsWorkinOnMe And you should FUCK OFF with your infantile Jewish Fairytales and presuming to tell people they CHOOSE to be gay and thus you feel the privilege of telling them that according to YOUR DELUSION they are sinning against your fairytale and invoking your childish fearmongering of imaginary hell. FUCK YOU AND YOUR FUCKED UP imaginary invisible friends and self-righteous attitude that only seeks to divide and gloat. I'm tired of kowtowing to your fucked up delusion.
@GodIsWorkinOnMe Thing is... you're an IDIOT if you even think its a CHOICE to be gay (or straight for that matter), so fuck off with your lunatic god-delusion.
People can form their opinion without regard for authority or tradition, especially in matters of religion, and they have their own freedom of choice. Nobody should judge anyone's sexual orientation, wether they are straight or queer or bisexual. LGBT rights are also human rights.
@xephyr1000 WE DON'T DECIDE, WE FOLLOW GOD'S WORD, IT'S THAT SIMPLE! I've many people who've received healing from sexual immorality. YOU'RE WRONG, GOD'S RIGHT IT'S THAT SIMPLE!
@xephyr1000 But the wonderful thing is that not all Christians are like that. I came out to my congregation and they all love me anyway. I don't think that they think I'm going to hell. I myself know I'm not, regardless of what the Bible says, because God says differently.
@radicaldreamer927 The irony is that, if you read the Gospels, Jesus says absolutely NOTHING about being gay and loving someone of the same gender, where as, he says plenty about the "money-changers" and mistreatment of the poor, sick and homeless. Ironically, Christianity, in general, especially in the USA, has it's priorities and focus pretty messed up.
@xephyr1000 lol I know. He's totally silent on the subject. The US has been mistreating the poor, sick and homeless for so long now. The Community of Christ is a worldwide church that focuses a lot of its energies on abolishing poverty. I loves it. :D
@radicaldreamer927 Jesus was a Jewish rabbi who, in His own words, "came to fulfill what was written in the Torah & the prophets.....why would he HAVE to say anything about homosexulaity? Do we have written words of Jesus on the issue of beastiality? Incest? As a Jew, in keeping with the Torah, nothing needed to be said about homosexuality anymore than had to be said concerning beasiality & incest!
@Hazakim But there are notable differences between homosexuality and bestiality and incest, differences that can't be ignored. Homosexuals of today are pursuing loving, consensual, monogamous relationships with other gay people. Comparing it to bestiality is a fallacy because animals cannot give "consent" to having sex with a human, much less marrying them. And unlike homosexuality, nobody is born with the desire to make love to members of their own family.
@Hazakim So don't compare homosexuality to incest either. Gay love is just as real, just as powerful as straight love. I have seen it. If I am capable of seeing that there are no important differences between gay people and straight people, then God, in His infinite wisdom, can see that too. It is for this reason that I refuse to believe the lie that gay people are condemned. Love cannot come from bestiality, or incest, but it can come from homosexuality. That is the biggest difference.
@xephyr1000 ", Jesus says absolutely NOTHING about being gay and loving someone of the same gender," neither did he of going to bed with a beast, or gay bashing, arson, witches, tarot cards, incest. So if your premise that if Jesus never said anything on it then it is okay then you should step back and think O I screwed up.
@exsposingtheheritics The Bible is for those who want to embrace that delusion as moronic as it is, its your right to "believe" whatever parts you want and ignore the rest (that's how Christianity functions and why there are over 30,000 different versions all claiming to be the correct version, but I digress...). Believe and worship as you want, just don't push it on others and things will be fine.
@xephyr1000 Upon what ojective moral standard do you base your belief that it is wrong to "decide" if people can be gay? Are you any better by "deciding" for Christians that they cannot believe what the Bible teaches? Who are you?
In one of these parts, Dr. Brown said, "I love my wife and I don't care if I can collect her social security." This was after the argument that Harry Knox, a gay man, said he would have the right to collect his partners social security if they were married.It was a nice thing to say on Dr. Browns part. But, the issue was equal rights. And I'm sure Dr. Brown would be more than able to take good care of himself in the event his wife past.
Why are all the christians on here so obsessed with what grown ups do when they are naked? How is that your business? And why is anyone arguing about it? It's not like homosexual behaviour is a bad thing! It's not that they are killing people or killing their own children on the word of some imaginary god! Why can't the homophobic christians just leave them alone and mind their own f@!&king business?
@boc1953 But gays/lesbians like to flaunt and be demonstrative. If gays/lesbians would mind their business and not promote what they do then their would be no problem. Gays/lesbians want to feel normal in what they do therefore they look for acceptance. If being gay/lesbian were normal then why do most of them feel the need to conform within each other and/or hide what they do? Being gay/lesbian does not promote procreation. How can that be of nature and therefore how can it be normal? You lose
@mrcolbusmaximus So you want gays to stay in the closet? That is where they have been for thousands of years and they got sick of the dark! Now that we live in a society that is almost free of religious domination and barbarism, it is safe for gays and lesbians to come out of the dark and live a normal life like the rest of us. Homophobia may always exist but it is no longer institutionalised as part of the fabric of a civilised society. You are behind the zeitgeist. Time to catch up!
@mrcolbusmaximus By the way, your comments about gays and lesbians not flaunting their lifestyle are an exact parrallel with my feeling on religious people. Why do they have to flaunt their beliefs? If they would keep it to themselves and out of my life, I would be happier too. But we all live in society together and now that society is more open and educated, we should all try to live and let live. I don't understand religious belief beyond childhood, but I accept is as part of society.
@boc1953 Religious people are not asking to become normal in society. They are already accepted. That's the difference. Granted, there are some radicals that demonstrate their beliefs in public but this guy you are talking to is not one of them. Nonetheless, there is nothing unnatural about a religious person speaking their beliefs. There is something unnatural about being gay/lesbian. That's the other huge difference. Stick your dick in an ass all you want. You will never get a baby.
@mrcolbusmaximus Gay people are already 'normal' in society. It is homophobes who are becoming the exception to the norm more and more these days. It's called empathy. If you had a child who turned out to be gay/lesbian, would your position change? If not, you are not much of a parent. If so, then try to empathise. I find a lot unnatural about religious belief eg. the mutilation of a child's genitals, belief in an invisible sky dictator, and too many others to list here. (cont)
@boc1953 Well there is the problem right there. You don't believe in my invisible sky dictator. You don't want to follow God's rules. You want to make your own. The bottom line is this: Gay/lesbian becoming the norm would be promoting what? There can be no procreation from it. How long would a group of gay/lesbian last if they lived by themselves. 70 years and then they would be no more. It is unnatural. And I will not have gay/lesbian children. Trust me
@mrcolbusmaximus Where is the problem with making our own rules? That is what we all do - you included. You say you follow your god's rules but you don't. You only follow the ones you agree with. That is why you eat shellfish, wear mixed textiles in your clothes, mow the lawn or light the fire on the sabbath. It's why you don't stone people to death for a miriad of minor crimes. If you followed your god's law, you would be killing people of other faiths. Homosexuality is the one thing you (cont)
@mrcolbusmaximus (cont)choose to treat with the old testament law.Nothing else.You pick and choose which of your god's laws to obey. If you ever get to the heaven you believe you're going to,he's not going to be pleased with you at all.How dare you choose which of his laws to obey and which are not relevant? His word is unchanging and eternal. Why do your fear the laws of this world when you know you are going to eternal bliss if you follow his law? You will be sorry you didn't on judgement day!
@mrcolbusmaximus Gay/lesbian becoming the norm will be promoting love between grown ups who have chosen what they believe is the right path for them.The more respect we see for these choices and many other individual choices,the better our world becomes. It is very often religious intolerance that stands in the way of this ideal. Gay and lesbians can adopt children-there are no shortage of those abandoned by heterosexuals! And maybe in future, science will find a way! Get over it. IT'S ONLY SEX!
@boc1953 There are serial murderers, rapists, scam artists, arsonists, pedophiles, thieves and drug dealers that say they are living the right path for them. Just because the media says it should be accepted doesn't mean we are doing what is right. Promoting gay/lesbian relationships is not healthy for the world. People are here on Earth to procreate and raise families. Promoting gay/relationships is rebellious to God and it is wrong.
@mrcolbusmaximus People are here on Earth because, for a short time, the 'electricity' of life passes through us, until we die. Some people will have children, some will not - whatever their sexual orientation. We are not here to procreate and raise families but rather to try to live our lives meaningfully. If you are trying to say that murderers, rapists etc are in the same category as homosexuals, you are very morally adrift! Homosexuals are consenting adults. Get it? Also, IT'S ONLY SEX!
@boc1953 So if a 12 year old consents to have sex with a 40 year old it is okay because they consented? Good one lol.
So you believe that life started without God by a bolt of electricity? Hahaha I wonder what the chances of that are 100 ^1,000,000,000 power.
Granted, homosexuals are consenting and not on the same level as rape and murder but it still is not a practice that needs to be taught to mankind. Keep it to yourself. Do not try to tell everyone it is normal and you are born that way
@mrcolbusmaximus No it's not OK for the 12 year old. I said 'consenting adults'. I don't know how life started, neither do you. But I'm very confident about how god was created! I don't know 100% but I'd say he's 99.99% man made. Granted, religious belief is not on the same level as rape and murder (although it often causes people to commit these crimes specifically because of it's doctrines) but it is still not a practice that needs to be taught to mankind. Keep it to yourself. (CONT)
@mrcolbusmaximus Do not try to tell everyone it is normal and you are born that way! Every human is born an atheist and some are later indoctrinated to believe the unvelievable. Think about it...
@boc1953 Not everyone has the same opportunities to learn, this is true. That is why God tells us that we have to teach each other about Him. That is what I try to do. I realize that there are some things in The Bible that are hard to understand. But there are answers for all of the questions out there concerning God.
If being gay/lesbian is natural, then why do people participating in homosexuality take on characteristics of the opposite sex? Continued.....
@mrcolbusmaximus It's not that parts of the bible are hard to understand, it's that they are hard to accept. It's easy to understand. Also, there are only answers out there for those people who can be satisfied with unsatisfactory answers.
@boc1953 Homosexuality is most definitely a choice. There are many people that have been married and changed their minds or had been gay/lesbian and changed their mind.
@boc1953 If a gay man is born gay then why does he attempt to become a female? They try to become skinny, they wear makeup, they alter the way they talk, they alter the way they walk, they try to take on female personality traits. These are not normal things. I hope you don't believe that altering your genitals is normal either? Bottomline: Male and female are meant to coexists in a companionship.
@mrcolbusmaximus Some gay men do these things, but many others don't. They are individuals, just like you and I. Hetersexuals behave in certain ways to attract members of the opposite sex and homosexuals do certain things to attract same sex partners. They are not all the same you know. As for altering genitals, religious beliefs have mandated that for both sexes for milennia!
@exsposingtheheritics There is no contradiction. STATEMENT 1: "We are not necessarily here to procreate and raise families". STATEMENT 2: Gay and lesbians can adopt children - there are no shortage of those abandoned by heterosexuals". Where is the contradiction between these two different statements?
@exsposingtheheritics Because raising children is a rewarding and wonderful experience, for those who want to do it. You don't seem to understand much about the humanity of the situation. Do you think the only reason for raising kids is the procreation of our species? How old are you? Do you have any children of your own? I think not, if you have to ask "then why have gay adoption?"
@boc1953 Actually I have two. My son is 18 and my daughter is 20 and got married in June. BTW
" Do you think the only reason for raising kids is the procreation of our species?"
Well I would encourage you to watch my daughter's channel. She is a first class drummer and my wife and I sacrificed a lot for her to be one. Her channel is Jessiedrums. One of her videos has over 20,000 views. So I do know a thing or two about kids.
@exsposingtheheritics You have raised 2 children. So why would you deny the experience of raising children to same sex couples who want to do that? Would you rather the children stay orphans? Be raised by the state? In and out of foster homes for their childhood? Perhaps abused by their heterosexual carers? Is that better than being raised in a loving relationship with 2 parents of the same sex?As a parent,you must realise there is more to having kids than cont our species.
@boc1953 " You have raised 2 children. So why would you deny the experience of raising children to same sex couples who want to do that? "
That is not a good question. In case you did not know, Same Sex Couple naturally can't have children. So let that sink in
".Would you rather the children stay orphans? Be raised by the state? In and out of foster homes for their childhood? " Here the lesser of two evils. That is like saying it would be better for them to live with terrorists than nobody.
@RepresentingTruth OK..I don't resort to insulting people when I'm chatting on here but in your case I am getting perilously close to breaking that rule! Do you seriously think that terrorists and homosexuals are one the same moral level. Terrorists operate based on their interpretation of their holy books. They kill people in the name of their god. Just like all religions have at one time or another. Homosexuals don't kill because of their sexual orientation.
@boc1953 " Do you seriously think that terrorists and homosexuals are one the same moral level." Apparently God does in 1 Cor. 6:9 Second, whether one gets drunk and causes an accident where someone gets kills may not be as bad as beating your wife to death the point is they are both wrong. The problem with the gay agenda is they cry foul if one compares them to another wrong. It is called framing the debate. That is this case. It is wrong and is destroying lives period.
@RepresentingTruth No, it is your opposition to it that is ruining lives. Homosexuality will have to live a very long time before it gets close to ruining as many lives as religious beliefs have!
@boc1953 One last thing/ Over 300,000 men have died in the US by having sex with other men. Thus sodomy is sexual suicide to thousands of men. Those are facts but then again you seemed to be more interested in bashing normal people in order to promote perversion.
@RepresentingTruth I am saying that statistically, heterosexual parents are more abusive to their children that homosexual parents. By the way, who's truth are you representing?
@boc1953 Well duh there is not the same data on gay parents. So by that logic if your claim is true then do you want to ban heterosexual parents since your sick mind thinks that?
@RepresentingTruth Of course I don't want to ban heterosexual parents! I am one! How do you get to that from any of my statements on here? Are you really that intellectually challenged?
@boc1953 " If you had a child who turned out to be gay/lesbian, would your position change? If not, you are not much of a parent. "
Really if my kid started killing people I would not accept his behavior, I will always accept him as my son whether a murderer, gay, liar. However a lifestyle that is destructive I won't accept.
@mrcolbusmaximus (cont) As for never getting a baby through homosexual relations, I play chess a lot and whilst I know I will never be a grandmaster, it doesn't stop me from enjoying the experience immensely! I imagine that gay or lesbian lovemaking is an enjoyable physical activity, just as heterosexual lovemaking is. But mostly, it is none of my business what relationships grown people want to engage in. It's also none of yours. If they want a baby, they can adopt one. Maybe in time, science?
@boc1953 " But mostly, it is none of my business what relationships grown people want to engage in. It's also none of yours." Then you do not support Same Sex Marriage because that is none of your business. Did I understand you correctly?
@exsposingtheheritics I support same sex marriage. But I don't involve myself in the 'ins and outs' of it....if you follow my drift. In the same way as I support racial equality...but I don't particularly involve myself in it.
@boc1953 The problem with many issues is this. Many think that this issues can have a neutral ground. My opinion is one cannot. We can discuss this more if you like to open your eyes on this. You decide for yourself if my view has any weight to it.
@boc1953 I don't know how many millions more than religion people have died because of atheists like Mao and Stalin but should we outlaw being an atheist? In either case no because I believe in free will.
@atheistram Now that you have stated your premise back it up with evidence. All one has to do is add of Mao and Stalin and that is an easy 65,000,000. Your turn.
@exsposingtheheritics Mao & Stalin did not kill people because of their atheistic beliefs. Atheism had nothing to do with their actions. They both wore black shoes but that's not why they killed people either! Those killed by religious wars were killed in the name of the religions. That is a key difference. The wars were fought to spread religious ideology. That is not the case with atheism...
@RepresentingTruth Atheists do not kill in the name of atheism. Atheism is not a philosophical position. Atheists have killed people, but not in order to convert them to atheism. It's never happened. If you want proof, go to your history books or consult experts in the field. Don't ask me to engage in such silly dialogue, I can't be bothered...
@boc1953 So an atheist can never be held accountable for their crimes in the name of atheism. How nice. So if a Christian does it then it is done in the name of religion. If an atheist does it then it does not count. So make up your own rules as you go along. So if an atheist does something good then by that logic it can not be in the name of atheism. Is that correct?
@RepresentingTruth No, if a christian commits a crime, it is not necessarily done in the name of religion. I am referring to crimes committed on the basis of religious doctrine. Such as killing others because they believe in a different god, or because they have broken some other law of the bible/koran etc. Atheists do not have religious laws they obey. Yes, you are correct, if an atheist does a good thing, it should not be ascribed to his atheism.
@boc1953 I have done with you. You can live in your pretend world but I will no longer play in your sandbox. To only ascribe evil to the religious only but not to an atheist shows that you are beyond logic or reason.
@RepresentingTruth I don't ascribe evil to only the religious! Many atheist do evil things! I don't understand how you draw the conclusions you do about me, based on my comments here. Do you use the same kind of reasoning process as you use to believe in your god of choice? If so, no wonder you are a believer! If you feel the need to take your toys and go home, that's fine with me. You seem to be taking it all personally and trying to misrepresent what I'm saying. Sad really..
While I completely think that the Biblical arguments more than sufficient for you (they provide very compelling moral and socio-historical grounds). I would offer you the following:
search the youtube vid entitled: "Daughter of a gay man speaks"
Personally it effects you, me and everyone else, because 'marriage' is a SOCIAL institution governed by laws for the collective benefit of society.Socially,absent the current laws, nothing prevents other arbitrary definitions /configurations emerging
cont..response. H/Sex/ lifestyle harfull to social structure. because it cannot produce human life as God intended for a building a family. Sacredness is taken away what a family should be as God meant it to be by "purpose" and "design". To even maintain a culture u have to produce and bring new life in the world. Abortion and H/Sexual/ Lesb/ lifestyles can never maintain or produce a culture. Look at world societies in history that declined in birthrate and u will always see these connections.
@combatkenpo So what you're saying essentially is that no one should make love unless they want to produce a child? Sorry pal, that dog won't hunt in my pack!
@exsposingtheheritics Agreed...so what? A heterosexual couple can produce children and a homosexual couple can't.So what? Why does that take away their right to a loving complete aduly relationship? I mean, surely you would agree that this is no more than religious bigotry! Why do you want to keep it going? I truly don't understand your rationale for this way of thinking.What are you afraid of? Why can't you live and let live and just mind your own business? I don't get it
@boc1953 " Why does that take away their right to a loving complete aduly relationship? "
So how am denying them their relationship? Have I gone up to them and said I forbid you to have a relationship? Where is your proof on that. What floats their boat is their business. However if you want be to approve of that lifestyle then that is my business.
@exsposingtheheritics You want to prevent them from having a relationship on the same level as heterosexuals. So yes, you are preventing them from have a loving complete adult relationship.
@boc1953 " I mean, surely you would agree that this is no more than religious bigotry! "
No I don't agree.
"Why do you want to keep it going? I truly don't understand your rationale for this way of thinking.What are you afraid of? Why can't you live and let live and just mind your own business? I don't get it"
Very simple. It affects my freedom. When it does that then it is my business.
@exsposingtheheritics As long as people like you think the way you do, Gay's will never be equal to straight people. So you are affecting their freedom.
You can think whatever you want about gay people. So they are NOT affecting your freedoms.
@atheistram If you get your head out of the sand and use your mind you would then begin to see how contradiction your statement "they are NOT affecting your freedoms." is. Please think through before your comment again.
@exsposingtheheritics Really?? Affecting your freedoms according to your definition then would be "affecting your freedom to discriminate and hate people."
A brief heads up to you, in the U.S. noone has the freedom to discriminate.
@atheistram "A brief heads up to you, in the U.S. noone has the freedom to discriminate."
Try being a Marine. They discriminate (I am not referring to being gay in the military) and for good reason. Try getting a driver's license. ( age discrimination) Try to vote (age, citizen, criminal record. Some Muslims today have more that one wife.Not in this country they would be discriminant and for good reason.
@exsposingtheheritics How does gay marriage affect your freedom? It is your religious indoctrination that has affected your freedom all your life! Can't you open your eyes and see that??
@boc1953 I tell you what. I will be going to sleep and I will give you a chance to examine what you just said. Think it over tonight. If you still feel that then gay stuff can't affect my freedom then I can address that.
@boc1953 My son stayed home from school on "Gay Day" Everyone was suppose to be in silence to support the mistreatment of the GLBT. My son said if he did say something he would be suspended. ( He does not even talk about the issue a lot) So tell me of any other school day that would happen? That is an assault on freedom.
@exsposingtheheritics "Everyone was suppose [sic] to be in silence to support the mistreatment of the GLBT."
So, your sons school had a moment of silence to support the mistreatment of the GLBT and your son stayed home because he doesn't believe in mistreating anyone? Sounds like you could learn much from him.
@dunwrkn4 " if he did say something he would be suspended" What you Mr clueless don't know is that he was picked on in school for not supporting Same Sex Marriage. So kids being kids would use it to their advantage. Not only that what they consider mistreatment is total BS (Being Stupid) so the radical gay agenda is for real. Please get your head out of the sand. Also since you mock my daughter you are the pig. I do not desire to play in the filth of your mind.
And what you don't know is that your comment states that the schools moment of silence was to "SUPPORT THE MISTREATMENT of the LGBT." Really! Does the school believe those in the LGBT should be mistreated or is the just another example of stupidity getting in the way of what you actually meant to say?
@dunwrkn4 I got you on this one. I told you and you stick your head in the sand. My son's freedom was taken away and all you can do is deny the fact. Shame on you for your hatred toward the freedom we USE to have.
@exsposingtheheritics And BTW, I don't know your daughter and wasn't mocking her. I was mocking your inability to express yourself in a way that is easily understood. I thought you were just playing stupid when you repeatedly asked for clarification from others in the comment sections, but I have to come to realize that you are not playing. You are that stupid.
@exsposingtheheritics No, it's not an assault on freedom. It's respecting your son's freedom to stay home and not take part in the silence. He has that freedom, just as those who wish to take part have the freedom to do so. By the way...why is your son opposed to gays and gay relationships? Could it be that you have assaulted his freedom of thought?
@exsposingtheheritics If it's not religious bigotry, where does it come from? At the most fundamental, basic level, what is your objection to gay marriage/relationships?
My reply is 2fold. 1st: If you understood my memo it had to do with Particular habits you and i form good or bad, become hard-wired in our brains as the same with athletes. Your question, how is a homosexual lifestyle harmful to oneself or a problem in society? Several answers to u. 1st: Harful to u and your partner by "Purpose" and "Design". It is a logical premise, that if we take the position God created first Male then Female for companionship and help-mate, God had very good reasons.
Altered chemistry in the brain is found in athletes in similar manner, also the porno-addict has the same chemical alteration as those in Gay people(those who have practiced homosexuality over period of time) Our brains are just like Hard-Drives and messages and activities we involve ourselves send messages to our brains known as Dendrites w/ Mylon-Sheaths that cover and coat the Dendrites which hardens and embedds those activities and thoughts.
@combatkenpo Can your theory work the same for heterosexuality? Why do "practicing gays" need the "altered chemistry" when all up to date scientific research, clearly state that homosexuality is no more harmful to people then heterosexuality?
there s a difference between a so-called 'Gay-Gene'(which incidently the two independent tests turn-out unreliable and greatly flawed. But the greatest embaressment to the gay community, the tests were blatantly "preped" in advance to claim a finding of the Gay-Gene.
talking about honesty and fairness not only in the name of scientific academic, it's not fair to the Gay community and betrays them with a false hope) that of a 'Biological-Disorder'. Chemistry in the brain altered, is one example.
There is nothing in the book you call the bible that I am the least bit interested in. I want to knew what science can show us in terms of sexuality. why is it that through out history a small percentage of the populaion has been homosexual. This includes people of all faiths, cultures and politics. It is a biological and has nothing to do with belief.
She wanted to make the video clueless. So I will say again she wanted to make a funny video and I said okay. So if you have an issue clueless then take it up with her. Fair enough?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics Oh, it was a joke. Make dad look like an even bigger idiot than he already is. Hilarious.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
Again I have blocked you because you mocked my daughter.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics Spare me the father of the year act. If anyone has disrespected your daughter it was you when you made a video claiming you owned her. Sadly, this sick relationship doesn't come without consequences. Some children opt to get married in a desperate attempt to gain independence, even though they are still children. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Fair enough?
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@dunwrkn4 She was the one that decided to do it thou clueless one. All your ridicule is just that. My English sucks but my debate skills are much better tham yours.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics "She was the one that decided to do it thou clueless one."
Decided to do what? Please clarify.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
Christianity is for those of a lesser mind, those who are afraid to question there existence on a deeper level, those who are unwilling to let life be temporary and beautiful, those who are greedy and desire to be as "themselves" for eternity, people who are afraid to die now live in a fear of God and his wrath to, why is it that he is male? why is his image so anthropomorphic? Why does he supposedly possess infinite powers yet contradict them all the time?
SunSwell90 1 month ago
Haha, funny that you mention people being cattle, hmmmm sounds just like religion right??
SunSwell90 1 month ago
Is that that swine Jerry Springer??????
turockandar 1 month ago
Honestly, I love how everyone buys into homosexuality pity. It really shows the "cattle" aspect of humans, how people can lose their individuality rapidly by something so trivial and outright wrong. Check my post on Rise Against-Savior for the real definition of homosexuality. It's just another category people want in on. Cattle. Absolute cattle. Herding together to brace against a lake of fire, instead of following the shepherd. How are pedo/zoophiles so different? To each his own spot in Hell.
EquitationHiatus 1 month ago
Jesus had two fathers, and he turned out alright.
TheMusicKing713 2 months ago
@TheMusicKing713 No He didn't.
RAYBABJ 2 months ago
@RAYBABJ Are you retarded? You say he didn't meaning you know what you believe to be FACTS about him. Though based on that I assume you know he had a biological father (god) and father helping take care of him along side Mary. So if two men adopted a child and raised them together, do you believe only one is the father? No, if you did you'd be the most idiotic person I'm ever encountered. They would both be considered fathers of the child meaning Jesus had two as well.
MegaHello12345 1 month ago
@MegaHello12345 LOL
RAYBABJ 1 month ago
@TheMusicKing713 Laughing my damn Aussie arse off!!! Love it! = )
TGIAustin911 1 month ago
i encourage you to look up 60 minutes specile on homoseuality on youtube
osmithize 2 months ago
Science has not discovered any gay gene,and does not support this claim. I don't buy that a new born infant is gay, strait or both. How far do we go with ? i was born this way. The gay animals thing is BS. Homosexuality is unique to the human being , and the homosapiens should own it.
megavlad888 2 months ago
@megavlad888 Actually it does occur in nature, its classed as gender blindness. Also homosexual pigeons (or other birds) for instance would actually "adopts" orphan chicks which is absoulutly fascinating if you doubt any fact do some research, its ok to doubt with claim freedom and speech and all but do some research before coming to a solid conclusion its a pretty dam fun activity to get into XD
ecos889 2 months ago
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BlakeGriffinChannel 3 months ago
@BlakeGriffinChannel Actually... homosexual relations in the animal kingdom have been documented. I never wanted to be gay, I just am. It has been scientifically proven that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of biological and environmental factors, that it isn't a mental illness, and that it cannot be changed. You, my friend, are dreadfully behind the times.
radicaldreamer927 3 months ago
@radicaldreamer927 So a praying mantis will eat her mate after mating. So if you want to lower yourself to that level be my guest.
BTW how many dogs get married?
So if science could prove that someone was born to beat up gays would that make it right?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics When did I even mention cannibalism? Or dogs? And hatred is learned, never inborn. Your comment made no sense.
radicaldreamer927 1 month ago
@radicaldreamer927 Well you said
" homosexual relations in the animal kingdom have been documented."
I have no reason to doubt you. My point is simple why lower yourself to an animal?
I then went on to give examples of how animals are different then us. So if you are fine lowering yourself to an animal then that is your belief. My belief is what animals do is no justification to bad behavior.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@BlakeGriffinChannel Animal homosexuality is not uncommon at all. Educate yourself...and have a heart!
boc1953 2 months ago
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What a complete waste of time! HOMOPERVERTS will ROT IN HELL! End of debate!
1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [fn6] effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS!
MrRoycelong 3 months ago
@MrRoycelong there is no god
and homosexuals are not perverts, by the mere definition of "pervert"
idaman12345 1 month ago
When I hear a guy like dr Brown, I simply do not understand him. He claims that there is no gay bashing in his heart. And yet, in his book "A queer thing happened to America" he spends 30 pages on this so called gay agenda. And he says he does not want to link gays with pedophilia, and yet he spends 40 pages on it... And he loves the gays! And yet he accommodates all the lies about the "agenda". He is not gay bashing himself, at least not the psychical part. The flaming hypocrite.
Ranokian 4 months ago
@Ranokian you're kidding, right?
Hazakim 2 months ago
@Hazakim No, I'm not kidding. I really don't understand a guy like Brown. I stand by what I posted here.
Ranokian 2 months ago
@Ranokian " he spends 30 pages on this so called gay agenda"
So gays are so stupid they can't even make up an agenda? Maybe I am wrong though I may not agree with their lifestyle, I am sure many of them are smart enough to have an agenda to stop in their minds the discrimination that they keep talking about. So help me out. They have no agenda but they want rights. Okay that makes no sense so help me out.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics "they have no agenda but they want rights. Okay that makes no sense so help me out"
That's because you're too steeped into your prejudice to see the facts. Homosexuality does NOT hurt you, but people, especially the religiously delusional, seem to think it's their business to tell others how they can live and act, even when their life and actions are consensual and harmless toward other. If they are harmful, that's a different issue, but they're not.
xephyr1000 1 month ago
@xephyr1000 " "they have no agenda but they want rights. Okay that makes no sense so help me out"
That's because you're too steeped into your prejudice to see the facts. "
So do they have an agenda or not?
"Homosexuality does NOT hurt you,"
Okay so your reasons to back up that statement is....
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics "So do they have an agenda or not?"
What you seem to think is an "agenda" is merely the right to be themselves and no longer be outcasts.
"Okay so your reasons to back up that statement is...."
You give me your best shot at how gays are somehow "hurting" you.
xephyr1000 1 month ago
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@xephyr1000 ""So do they have an agenda or not?"
What you seem to think is an "agenda" is merely the right to be themselves and no longer be outcasts."
I am not asking you what I think I am asking you if they have an agenda. So please answer what YOU think not me. Fair enough?
""Okay so your reasons to back up that statement is...."
You give me your best shot at how gays are somehow "hurting" you."
Again the reasons to back up that statement is...
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics With the gay agenda is meant: a secret hidden agenda, containing a program, containing rules and steps how to get to the ideal society, how to get rid of right wing Christians. It is a complete program, it is not some shared goals. And the same agenda is known and shared by the gays and the hundreds, maybe even thousands of gay organisations in the US. It sounds absurd, and it absurd. In real life, the gay agenda is a right wing invention, just to blacklist the gays.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian Actually it is not a secret agenda. It is out there in the open. So we can agree that they do have an agenda. I have 5 videos taken down for hate speech so I know it first hand. I have "police reports" against me not because I have threaten a person's safety but I believe that a practicing homosexual will not go to heaven. So it is real and it is a threat to those that have a different view.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics There is a difference between having a common goal, that is what you describe, and an agenda. Agenda: all these hundreds, if not thousands gay organisations all want EXACTLY the same, all use the SAME methods, etc. It is almost presented like it is an operation run with military precision. And that is absurd. And yes, if you use this fantasy about gay agenda against gays, with clearly black listing as goal, it becomes hate-speech. That is correct.
Ranokian 1 month ago
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@Ranokian " And yes, if you use this fantasy about gay agenda against gays, with clearly black listing as goal, it becomes hate-speech. That is correct."
And how so?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
i wish i was gay just to shove it in gaybashers faces
TheCinisterSorrow 4 months ago
@GodIsWorkinOnMe Believe what you want, just keep it out of Civil Society's laws, education, workforce, housing and other civil institutions. You can pray in private or in your church or quietly to yourself, but no one else needs to hear your shit. Science & the Ethic of Reciprocity, NOT religion should be the center of civil behavior.
xephyr1000 4 months ago
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@xephyr1000 " Believe what you want, just keep it out of Civil Society's laws, education, workforce, housing and other civil institutions."
My,my,my that is very intolerant of you. BTW that is fine as long as you believe one should be. However your logic needs a little help.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics I
"that is very intolerant of you"
It really doesnt matter if I tolerant or intolerant of your delusion. I don't care what you believe, it doesn't matter to me. Just keep your beliefs out of my civil arena. Tolerance plays no part in it. If you're not proselytizing, there's nothing I need to say about what you believe, is there? But if you're trying to shove your crap on others, I have plenty to say about it.
xephyr1000 1 month ago
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@xephyr1000 :It really doesnt matter if I tolerant or intolerant of your delusion. I don't care what you believe, it doesn't matter to me. Just keep your beliefs out of my civil arena. Tolerance plays no part in it"
If it doesn't matter to you what I believe then why " Just keep your beliefs out of my civil arena" So why should you be allow to have your beliefs but not me?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@GodIsWorkinOnMe And you should FUCK OFF with your infantile Jewish Fairytales and presuming to tell people they CHOOSE to be gay and thus you feel the privilege of telling them that according to YOUR DELUSION they are sinning against your fairytale and invoking your childish fearmongering of imaginary hell. FUCK YOU AND YOUR FUCKED UP imaginary invisible friends and self-righteous attitude that only seeks to divide and gloat. I'm tired of kowtowing to your fucked up delusion.
xephyr1000 4 months ago
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@GodIsWorkinOnMe Thing is... you're an IDIOT if you even think its a CHOICE to be gay (or straight for that matter), so fuck off with your lunatic god-delusion.
xephyr1000 4 months ago
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People can form their opinion without regard for authority or tradition, especially in matters of religion, and they have their own freedom of choice. Nobody should judge anyone's sexual orientation, wether they are straight or queer or bisexual. LGBT rights are also human rights.
knightsofstjoan2004 4 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 I am commanded to judge, as Scripture teaches, THE SAINTS WILL JUDGE THE EARTH, 1 cor. 6.
Menechem 4 months ago
Fuck Christians for thinking they have the right to decide if people can be gay.
xephyr1000 5 months ago 2
@xephyr1000 u won the debate with this single line! :)
PauliusBa 5 months ago
@xephyr1000 WE DON'T DECIDE, WE FOLLOW GOD'S WORD, IT'S THAT SIMPLE! I've many people who've received healing from sexual immorality. YOU'RE WRONG, GOD'S RIGHT IT'S THAT SIMPLE!
Menechem 4 months ago
@Menechem The ONLY thing that is "simple" is your mind... and that's not a compliment.
xephyr1000 4 months ago
@xephyr1000 But the wonderful thing is that not all Christians are like that. I came out to my congregation and they all love me anyway. I don't think that they think I'm going to hell. I myself know I'm not, regardless of what the Bible says, because God says differently.
radicaldreamer927 3 months ago
@radicaldreamer927 The irony is that, if you read the Gospels, Jesus says absolutely NOTHING about being gay and loving someone of the same gender, where as, he says plenty about the "money-changers" and mistreatment of the poor, sick and homeless. Ironically, Christianity, in general, especially in the USA, has it's priorities and focus pretty messed up.
xephyr1000 3 months ago
@xephyr1000 lol I know. He's totally silent on the subject. The US has been mistreating the poor, sick and homeless for so long now. The Community of Christ is a worldwide church that focuses a lot of its energies on abolishing poverty. I loves it. :D
radicaldreamer927 3 months ago
@radicaldreamer927 Jesus was a Jewish rabbi who, in His own words, "came to fulfill what was written in the Torah & the prophets.....why would he HAVE to say anything about homosexulaity? Do we have written words of Jesus on the issue of beastiality? Incest? As a Jew, in keeping with the Torah, nothing needed to be said about homosexuality anymore than had to be said concerning beasiality & incest!
Hazakim 2 months ago
@Hazakim But there are notable differences between homosexuality and bestiality and incest, differences that can't be ignored. Homosexuals of today are pursuing loving, consensual, monogamous relationships with other gay people. Comparing it to bestiality is a fallacy because animals cannot give "consent" to having sex with a human, much less marrying them. And unlike homosexuality, nobody is born with the desire to make love to members of their own family.
radicaldreamer927 2 months ago
@radicaldreamer927 "nobody is born with the desire to make love to members of their own family." I guess you never heard of the internet.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@Hazakim So don't compare homosexuality to incest either. Gay love is just as real, just as powerful as straight love. I have seen it. If I am capable of seeing that there are no important differences between gay people and straight people, then God, in His infinite wisdom, can see that too. It is for this reason that I refuse to believe the lie that gay people are condemned. Love cannot come from bestiality, or incest, but it can come from homosexuality. That is the biggest difference.
radicaldreamer927 2 months ago
@radicaldreamer927 "So don't compare homosexuality to incest either."
So the reason one should not is...
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@xephyr1000 ", Jesus says absolutely NOTHING about being gay and loving someone of the same gender," neither did he of going to bed with a beast, or gay bashing, arson, witches, tarot cards, incest. So if your premise that if Jesus never said anything on it then it is okay then you should step back and think O I screwed up.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
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@radicaldreamer927 " regardless of what the Bible says, because God says differently."
So how does God say something different than the bible if the bible is the word of God?
Please clarify.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics The Bible is for those who want to embrace that delusion as moronic as it is, its your right to "believe" whatever parts you want and ignore the rest (that's how Christianity functions and why there are over 30,000 different versions all claiming to be the correct version, but I digress...). Believe and worship as you want, just don't push it on others and things will be fine.
xephyr1000 1 month ago
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@xephyr1000 "Believe and worship as you want, just don't push it on others and things will be fine" So is that directed to me or to all?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@xephyr1000 Upon what ojective moral standard do you base your belief that it is wrong to "decide" if people can be gay? Are you any better by "deciding" for Christians that they cannot believe what the Bible teaches? Who are you?
Hazakim 2 months ago
@xephyr1000 Actually I think a person may decide for themselves without our help.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
I have often heard the argument "you can't be a Christiam AND homosexual at the same time". What is the meaning of that assertion?
Tzedaqyal 5 months ago
In one of these parts, Dr. Brown said, "I love my wife and I don't care if I can collect her social security." This was after the argument that Harry Knox, a gay man, said he would have the right to collect his partners social security if they were married.It was a nice thing to say on Dr. Browns part. But, the issue was equal rights. And I'm sure Dr. Brown would be more than able to take good care of himself in the event his wife past.
1norville 5 months ago
Why are all the christians on here so obsessed with what grown ups do when they are naked? How is that your business? And why is anyone arguing about it? It's not like homosexual behaviour is a bad thing! It's not that they are killing people or killing their own children on the word of some imaginary god! Why can't the homophobic christians just leave them alone and mind their own f@!&king business?
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 But gays/lesbians like to flaunt and be demonstrative. If gays/lesbians would mind their business and not promote what they do then their would be no problem. Gays/lesbians want to feel normal in what they do therefore they look for acceptance. If being gay/lesbian were normal then why do most of them feel the need to conform within each other and/or hide what they do? Being gay/lesbian does not promote procreation. How can that be of nature and therefore how can it be normal? You lose
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus So you want gays to stay in the closet? That is where they have been for thousands of years and they got sick of the dark! Now that we live in a society that is almost free of religious domination and barbarism, it is safe for gays and lesbians to come out of the dark and live a normal life like the rest of us. Homophobia may always exist but it is no longer institutionalised as part of the fabric of a civilised society. You are behind the zeitgeist. Time to catch up!
boc1953 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus By the way, your comments about gays and lesbians not flaunting their lifestyle are an exact parrallel with my feeling on religious people. Why do they have to flaunt their beliefs? If they would keep it to themselves and out of my life, I would be happier too. But we all live in society together and now that society is more open and educated, we should all try to live and let live. I don't understand religious belief beyond childhood, but I accept is as part of society.
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 Religious people are not asking to become normal in society. They are already accepted. That's the difference. Granted, there are some radicals that demonstrate their beliefs in public but this guy you are talking to is not one of them. Nonetheless, there is nothing unnatural about a religious person speaking their beliefs. There is something unnatural about being gay/lesbian. That's the other huge difference. Stick your dick in an ass all you want. You will never get a baby.
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus Gay people are already 'normal' in society. It is homophobes who are becoming the exception to the norm more and more these days. It's called empathy. If you had a child who turned out to be gay/lesbian, would your position change? If not, you are not much of a parent. If so, then try to empathise. I find a lot unnatural about religious belief eg. the mutilation of a child's genitals, belief in an invisible sky dictator, and too many others to list here. (cont)
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 Well there is the problem right there. You don't believe in my invisible sky dictator. You don't want to follow God's rules. You want to make your own. The bottom line is this: Gay/lesbian becoming the norm would be promoting what? There can be no procreation from it. How long would a group of gay/lesbian last if they lived by themselves. 70 years and then they would be no more. It is unnatural. And I will not have gay/lesbian children. Trust me
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus Where is the problem with making our own rules? That is what we all do - you included. You say you follow your god's rules but you don't. You only follow the ones you agree with. That is why you eat shellfish, wear mixed textiles in your clothes, mow the lawn or light the fire on the sabbath. It's why you don't stone people to death for a miriad of minor crimes. If you followed your god's law, you would be killing people of other faiths. Homosexuality is the one thing you (cont)
boc1953 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus (cont)choose to treat with the old testament law.Nothing else.You pick and choose which of your god's laws to obey. If you ever get to the heaven you believe you're going to,he's not going to be pleased with you at all.How dare you choose which of his laws to obey and which are not relevant? His word is unchanging and eternal. Why do your fear the laws of this world when you know you are going to eternal bliss if you follow his law? You will be sorry you didn't on judgement day!
boc1953 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus Gay/lesbian becoming the norm will be promoting love between grown ups who have chosen what they believe is the right path for them.The more respect we see for these choices and many other individual choices,the better our world becomes. It is very often religious intolerance that stands in the way of this ideal. Gay and lesbians can adopt children-there are no shortage of those abandoned by heterosexuals! And maybe in future, science will find a way! Get over it. IT'S ONLY SEX!
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 There are serial murderers, rapists, scam artists, arsonists, pedophiles, thieves and drug dealers that say they are living the right path for them. Just because the media says it should be accepted doesn't mean we are doing what is right. Promoting gay/lesbian relationships is not healthy for the world. People are here on Earth to procreate and raise families. Promoting gay/relationships is rebellious to God and it is wrong.
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus People are here on Earth because, for a short time, the 'electricity' of life passes through us, until we die. Some people will have children, some will not - whatever their sexual orientation. We are not here to procreate and raise families but rather to try to live our lives meaningfully. If you are trying to say that murderers, rapists etc are in the same category as homosexuals, you are very morally adrift! Homosexuals are consenting adults. Get it? Also, IT'S ONLY SEX!
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 So if a 12 year old consents to have sex with a 40 year old it is okay because they consented? Good one lol.
So you believe that life started without God by a bolt of electricity? Hahaha I wonder what the chances of that are 100 ^1,000,000,000 power.
Granted, homosexuals are consenting and not on the same level as rape and murder but it still is not a practice that needs to be taught to mankind. Keep it to yourself. Do not try to tell everyone it is normal and you are born that way
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus No it's not OK for the 12 year old. I said 'consenting adults'. I don't know how life started, neither do you. But I'm very confident about how god was created! I don't know 100% but I'd say he's 99.99% man made. Granted, religious belief is not on the same level as rape and murder (although it often causes people to commit these crimes specifically because of it's doctrines) but it is still not a practice that needs to be taught to mankind. Keep it to yourself. (CONT)
boc1953 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus Do not try to tell everyone it is normal and you are born that way! Every human is born an atheist and some are later indoctrinated to believe the unvelievable. Think about it...
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 Not everyone has the same opportunities to learn, this is true. That is why God tells us that we have to teach each other about Him. That is what I try to do. I realize that there are some things in The Bible that are hard to understand. But there are answers for all of the questions out there concerning God.
If being gay/lesbian is natural, then why do people participating in homosexuality take on characteristics of the opposite sex? Continued.....
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus It's not that parts of the bible are hard to understand, it's that they are hard to accept. It's easy to understand. Also, there are only answers out there for those people who can be satisfied with unsatisfactory answers.
boc1953 6 months ago
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@boc1953 " Every human is born an atheist and some are later indoctrinated to believe the unvelievable. Think about it..."
BTW I am thinking about the statement if which you do not offer one plausible reason to believe such a premise. So you reasons are...
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@boc1953 Homosexuality is most definitely a choice. There are many people that have been married and changed their minds or had been gay/lesbian and changed their mind.
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@boc1953 If a gay man is born gay then why does he attempt to become a female? They try to become skinny, they wear makeup, they alter the way they talk, they alter the way they walk, they try to take on female personality traits. These are not normal things. I hope you don't believe that altering your genitals is normal either? Bottomline: Male and female are meant to coexists in a companionship.
mrcolbusmaximus 6 months ago
@mrcolbusmaximus Some gay men do these things, but many others don't. They are individuals, just like you and I. Hetersexuals behave in certain ways to attract members of the opposite sex and homosexuals do certain things to attract same sex partners. They are not all the same you know. As for altering genitals, religious beliefs have mandated that for both sexes for milennia!
boc1953 6 months ago
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@boc1953 ". We are not here to procreate and raise families "
Interesting because only a couple of statement above this you said
" Gay and lesbians can adopt children-there are no shortage of those abandoned by heterosexuals!"
So can you clarify what appear to be a contradiction.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics There is no contradiction. STATEMENT 1: "We are not necessarily here to procreate and raise families". STATEMENT 2: Gay and lesbians can adopt children - there are no shortage of those abandoned by heterosexuals". Where is the contradiction between these two different statements?
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 If we are not necessarily here to raise families then why have gay adoption.
BTW do you believe that to be gay is natural and to have a family is unnatural?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics Because raising children is a rewarding and wonderful experience, for those who want to do it. You don't seem to understand much about the humanity of the situation. Do you think the only reason for raising kids is the procreation of our species? How old are you? Do you have any children of your own? I think not, if you have to ask "then why have gay adoption?"
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 Actually I have two. My son is 18 and my daughter is 20 and got married in June. BTW
" Do you think the only reason for raising kids is the procreation of our species?"
Well I would encourage you to watch my daughter's channel. She is a first class drummer and my wife and I sacrificed a lot for her to be one. Her channel is Jessiedrums. One of her videos has over 20,000 views. So I do know a thing or two about kids.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics You have raised 2 children. So why would you deny the experience of raising children to same sex couples who want to do that? Would you rather the children stay orphans? Be raised by the state? In and out of foster homes for their childhood? Perhaps abused by their heterosexual carers? Is that better than being raised in a loving relationship with 2 parents of the same sex?As a parent,you must realise there is more to having kids than cont our species.
boc1953 1 month ago
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@boc1953 " You have raised 2 children. So why would you deny the experience of raising children to same sex couples who want to do that? "
That is not a good question. In case you did not know, Same Sex Couple naturally can't have children. So let that sink in
".Would you rather the children stay orphans? Be raised by the state? In and out of foster homes for their childhood? " Here the lesser of two evils. That is like saying it would be better for them to live with terrorists than nobody.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth OK..I don't resort to insulting people when I'm chatting on here but in your case I am getting perilously close to breaking that rule! Do you seriously think that terrorists and homosexuals are one the same moral level. Terrorists operate based on their interpretation of their holy books. They kill people in the name of their god. Just like all religions have at one time or another. Homosexuals don't kill because of their sexual orientation.
boc1953 1 month ago
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@boc1953 " Do you seriously think that terrorists and homosexuals are one the same moral level." Apparently God does in 1 Cor. 6:9 Second, whether one gets drunk and causes an accident where someone gets kills may not be as bad as beating your wife to death the point is they are both wrong. The problem with the gay agenda is they cry foul if one compares them to another wrong. It is called framing the debate. That is this case. It is wrong and is destroying lives period.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth No, it is your opposition to it that is ruining lives. Homosexuality will have to live a very long time before it gets close to ruining as many lives as religious beliefs have!
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 One last thing/ Over 300,000 men have died in the US by having sex with other men. Thus sodomy is sexual suicide to thousands of men. Those are facts but then again you seemed to be more interested in bashing normal people in order to promote perversion.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth I have never heard of homosexual sex resulting in death...except maybe by stroke or heart attack.
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 " Perhaps abused by their heterosexual carers? Is that better than being raised in a loving relationship with 2 parents of the same sex"
So are you suggesting that only heterosexual couples are bad parents? Shame on you.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth "So I will say again she wanted to make a funny video and I said okay."
Really? Prove it.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@dunwrkn4 Go to her channel apoiogetics and take it up with her.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth "Go to her channel apologetics and take it up with her."
The self-proclaimed great debater unable to come up with an answer. And for suggesting I go to your daughters channel and ask her, shame on you.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@dunwrkn4 I did already. Here I will spoon feed it to you. Go to her channel. What part of that do you not understand.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
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dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth "I did already."
Really prove it.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth "Go to her channel."
No thanks. I have no desire to be shuttled back and forth between dumb and dumber.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth I am saying that statistically, heterosexual parents are more abusive to their children that homosexual parents. By the way, who's truth are you representing?
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 Well duh there is not the same data on gay parents. So by that logic if your claim is true then do you want to ban heterosexual parents since your sick mind thinks that?
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth Of course I don't want to ban heterosexual parents! I am one! How do you get to that from any of my statements on here? Are you really that intellectually challenged?
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 " If you had a child who turned out to be gay/lesbian, would your position change? If not, you are not much of a parent. "
Really if my kid started killing people I would not accept his behavior, I will always accept him as my son whether a murderer, gay, liar. However a lifestyle that is destructive I won't accept.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@mrcolbusmaximus (cont) As for never getting a baby through homosexual relations, I play chess a lot and whilst I know I will never be a grandmaster, it doesn't stop me from enjoying the experience immensely! I imagine that gay or lesbian lovemaking is an enjoyable physical activity, just as heterosexual lovemaking is. But mostly, it is none of my business what relationships grown people want to engage in. It's also none of yours. If they want a baby, they can adopt one. Maybe in time, science?
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 " But mostly, it is none of my business what relationships grown people want to engage in. It's also none of yours." Then you do not support Same Sex Marriage because that is none of your business. Did I understand you correctly?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics I support same sex marriage. But I don't involve myself in the 'ins and outs' of it....if you follow my drift. In the same way as I support racial equality...but I don't particularly involve myself in it.
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 The problem with many issues is this. Many think that this issues can have a neutral ground. My opinion is one cannot. We can discuss this more if you like to open your eyes on this. You decide for yourself if my view has any weight to it.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@boc1953
They care because they ain't gettin' any :)
codeythesilent 6 months ago
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@boc1953 "It's not like homosexual behaviour is a bad thing! "
Okay 300,000 died because of this behavior. I hope that helps.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics I don't know how many millions have died because of religion. Do you think that means we should outlaw religion?
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 I don't know how many millions more than religion people have died because of atheists like Mao and Stalin but should we outlaw being an atheist? In either case no because I believe in free will.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics And how many billions have died because of religion??
atheistram 1 month ago
@atheistram Now that you have stated your premise back it up with evidence. All one has to do is add of Mao and Stalin and that is an easy 65,000,000. Your turn.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics No, you believe in free will for heterosexuals, based on your posts to me. Not free will for all.
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 I am confused. What do you mean by that?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics Mao & Stalin did not kill people because of their atheistic beliefs. Atheism had nothing to do with their actions. They both wore black shoes but that's not why they killed people either! Those killed by religious wars were killed in the name of the religions. That is a key difference. The wars were fought to spread religious ideology. That is not the case with atheism...
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 "Mao & Stalin did not kill people because of their atheistic beliefs. Atheism had nothing to do with their actions. "
Really prove it.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth Atheists do not kill in the name of atheism. Atheism is not a philosophical position. Atheists have killed people, but not in order to convert them to atheism. It's never happened. If you want proof, go to your history books or consult experts in the field. Don't ask me to engage in such silly dialogue, I can't be bothered...
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 So an atheist can never be held accountable for their crimes in the name of atheism. How nice. So if a Christian does it then it is done in the name of religion. If an atheist does it then it does not count. So make up your own rules as you go along. So if an atheist does something good then by that logic it can not be in the name of atheism. Is that correct?
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth No, if a christian commits a crime, it is not necessarily done in the name of religion. I am referring to crimes committed on the basis of religious doctrine. Such as killing others because they believe in a different god, or because they have broken some other law of the bible/koran etc. Atheists do not have religious laws they obey. Yes, you are correct, if an atheist does a good thing, it should not be ascribed to his atheism.
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 I have done with you. You can live in your pretend world but I will no longer play in your sandbox. To only ascribe evil to the religious only but not to an atheist shows that you are beyond logic or reason.
RepresentingTruth 1 month ago
@RepresentingTruth I don't ascribe evil to only the religious! Many atheist do evil things! I don't understand how you draw the conclusions you do about me, based on my comments here. Do you use the same kind of reasoning process as you use to believe in your god of choice? If so, no wonder you are a believer! If you feel the need to take your toys and go home, that's fine with me. You seem to be taking it all personally and trying to misrepresent what I'm saying. Sad really..
boc1953 1 month ago
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While I completely think that the Biblical arguments more than sufficient for you (they provide very compelling moral and socio-historical grounds). I would offer you the following:
search the youtube vid entitled: "Daughter of a gay man speaks"
Personally it effects you, me and everyone else, because 'marriage' is a SOCIAL institution governed by laws for the collective benefit of society.Socially,absent the current laws, nothing prevents other arbitrary definitions /configurations emerging
shieldsff 7 months ago
cont..response. H/Sex/ lifestyle harfull to social structure. because it cannot produce human life as God intended for a building a family. Sacredness is taken away what a family should be as God meant it to be by "purpose" and "design". To even maintain a culture u have to produce and bring new life in the world. Abortion and H/Sexual/ Lesb/ lifestyles can never maintain or produce a culture. Look at world societies in history that declined in birthrate and u will always see these connections.
combatkenpo 7 months ago
@combatkenpo So what you're saying essentially is that no one should make love unless they want to produce a child? Sorry pal, that dog won't hunt in my pack!
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 No but the way that the next generation comes about is that way.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics Agreed...so what? A heterosexual couple can produce children and a homosexual couple can't.So what? Why does that take away their right to a loving complete aduly relationship? I mean, surely you would agree that this is no more than religious bigotry! Why do you want to keep it going? I truly don't understand your rationale for this way of thinking.What are you afraid of? Why can't you live and let live and just mind your own business? I don't get it
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 " Why does that take away their right to a loving complete aduly relationship? "
So how am denying them their relationship? Have I gone up to them and said I forbid you to have a relationship? Where is your proof on that. What floats their boat is their business. However if you want be to approve of that lifestyle then that is my business.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics You want to prevent them from having a relationship on the same level as heterosexuals. So yes, you are preventing them from have a loving complete adult relationship.
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 " I mean, surely you would agree that this is no more than religious bigotry! "
No I don't agree.
"Why do you want to keep it going? I truly don't understand your rationale for this way of thinking.What are you afraid of? Why can't you live and let live and just mind your own business? I don't get it"
Very simple. It affects my freedom. When it does that then it is my business.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics As long as people like you think the way you do, Gay's will never be equal to straight people. So you are affecting their freedom.
You can think whatever you want about gay people. So they are NOT affecting your freedoms.
atheistram 1 month ago
@atheistram If you get your head out of the sand and use your mind you would then begin to see how contradiction your statement "they are NOT affecting your freedoms." is. Please think through before your comment again.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics Really?? Affecting your freedoms according to your definition then would be "affecting your freedom to discriminate and hate people."
A brief heads up to you, in the U.S. noone has the freedom to discriminate.
atheistram 1 month ago
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@atheistram "A brief heads up to you, in the U.S. noone has the freedom to discriminate."
Try being a Marine. They discriminate (I am not referring to being gay in the military) and for good reason. Try getting a driver's license. ( age discrimination) Try to vote (age, citizen, criminal record. Some Muslims today have more that one wife.Not in this country they would be discriminant and for good reason.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics How does gay marriage affect your freedom? It is your religious indoctrination that has affected your freedom all your life! Can't you open your eyes and see that??
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 I tell you what. I will be going to sleep and I will give you a chance to examine what you just said. Think it over tonight. If you still feel that then gay stuff can't affect my freedom then I can address that.
Fair enough?
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics OK...feel free to address my comment now...I still feel the same...
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 My son stayed home from school on "Gay Day" Everyone was suppose to be in silence to support the mistreatment of the GLBT. My son said if he did say something he would be suspended. ( He does not even talk about the issue a lot) So tell me of any other school day that would happen? That is an assault on freedom.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics "Everyone was suppose [sic] to be in silence to support the mistreatment of the GLBT."
So, your sons school had a moment of silence to support the mistreatment of the GLBT and your son stayed home because he doesn't believe in mistreating anyone? Sounds like you could learn much from him.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@dunwrkn4 " if he did say something he would be suspended" What you Mr clueless don't know is that he was picked on in school for not supporting Same Sex Marriage. So kids being kids would use it to their advantage. Not only that what they consider mistreatment is total BS (Being Stupid) so the radical gay agenda is for real. Please get your head out of the sand. Also since you mock my daughter you are the pig. I do not desire to play in the filth of your mind.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics "What you Mr clueless don't know blah blah blah."
And what you don't know is that your comment states that the schools moment of silence was to "SUPPORT THE MISTREATMENT of the LGBT." Really! Does the school believe those in the LGBT should be mistreated or is the just another example of stupidity getting in the way of what you actually meant to say?
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@dunwrkn4 I got you on this one. I told you and you stick your head in the sand. My son's freedom was taken away and all you can do is deny the fact. Shame on you for your hatred toward the freedom we USE to have.
exsposingtheheritics 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics And BTW, I don't know your daughter and wasn't mocking her. I was mocking your inability to express yourself in a way that is easily understood. I thought you were just playing stupid when you repeatedly asked for clarification from others in the comment sections, but I have to come to realize that you are not playing. You are that stupid.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics No, it's not an assault on freedom. It's respecting your son's freedom to stay home and not take part in the silence. He has that freedom, just as those who wish to take part have the freedom to do so. By the way...why is your son opposed to gays and gay relationships? Could it be that you have assaulted his freedom of thought?
boc1953 1 month ago
@exsposingtheheritics If it's not religious bigotry, where does it come from? At the most fundamental, basic level, what is your objection to gay marriage/relationships?
boc1953 1 month ago
@boc1953 "If not religious bigotry, where does it come from?"
If published studies are to be believed, it comes from repressed homosexual urges.
dunwrkn4 1 month ago
My reply is 2fold. 1st: If you understood my memo it had to do with Particular habits you and i form good or bad, become hard-wired in our brains as the same with athletes. Your question, how is a homosexual lifestyle harmful to oneself or a problem in society? Several answers to u. 1st: Harful to u and your partner by "Purpose" and "Design". It is a logical premise, that if we take the position God created first Male then Female for companionship and help-mate, God had very good reasons.
combatkenpo 7 months ago
When the word passages we constantly see in the N.T. tells us to "repent" means Metanoma:Changing the mind.
combatkenpo 7 months ago
Altered chemistry in the brain is found in athletes in similar manner, also the porno-addict has the same chemical alteration as those in Gay people(those who have practiced homosexuality over period of time) Our brains are just like Hard-Drives and messages and activities we involve ourselves send messages to our brains known as Dendrites w/ Mylon-Sheaths that cover and coat the Dendrites which hardens and embedds those activities and thoughts.
combatkenpo 7 months ago
@combatkenpo Can your theory work the same for heterosexuality? Why do "practicing gays" need the "altered chemistry" when all up to date scientific research, clearly state that homosexuality is no more harmful to people then heterosexuality?
jb4real14 7 months ago
there s a difference between a so-called 'Gay-Gene'(which incidently the two independent tests turn-out unreliable and greatly flawed. But the greatest embaressment to the gay community, the tests were blatantly "preped" in advance to claim a finding of the Gay-Gene.
talking about honesty and fairness not only in the name of scientific academic, it's not fair to the Gay community and betrays them with a false hope) that of a 'Biological-Disorder'. Chemistry in the brain altered, is one example.
combatkenpo 7 months ago
There is nothing in the book you call the bible that I am the least bit interested in. I want to knew what science can show us in terms of sexuality. why is it that through out history a small percentage of the populaion has been homosexual. This includes people of all faiths, cultures and politics. It is a biological and has nothing to do with belief.