Amci06042, the last part of my last reply was wrong. What I meant to say is Frank Shamrock fights in a Hybrid style. He did what Bruce Lee said: Take what is useful throw away what isent. Through the years he's rolled with masters and strip it down to its basic form. In other words he couldn't teach Catch know even though that's what he first was taught. So guys in his class who loves the history ask me. So I that's when we got Neil
Aci06042, Its not my gym its Mr Shamrocks gym. Its located in San Jose california. I'm just one of the black belt bjj guys who helps tran his students. They have a wrestler there a boxer and Muay Tai guy. Franks approach since 99 has been a hybrid style. So he could show you catch even though that's what he first trained in. Lol
Hell ya I can dish it bro. Do it every day on the mat. I love a good debate. I tell my students all the time even if Frank Shamrock does something you think is out of place say something! My problem is I think this is the only place on youtube if you say something negative bout tony you MUST be from the Jake camp!lol know that I think about it that guy on shamrocks website saying all those nasty things must be Tito! Lol
@b7r7u7c7e Dude you said this is youtube and you can make any opinions. So I said if you can ditch it so must be able to take it too. So don't get offended, if I'm wrong about you PM me. I said my radar is up because of the list I posted.
I'm pretty sure you are tough on the mat. In fact you sounded like you know what catch wresting is. However I'm not asking or questioning you on that. If you are not what I think you are then you can give a fair assessment on Tony. Not just allegation
Amci06042 Relax and listen to some Kenny Roger and the Staying Alive soundtrack! Lol Listen to yourself, you sound like this guy...you sound like that guy...lol To be honest I don't think there some conspiracy of people out there to get Tony. Are there guys from Jakes website posing? Maybe happens all the time. BUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON that says something negative?lol Eddy Brovo and UFC Joe Rogan have said the SAME things. *GaSp* is that Jake in disguise?
@b7r7u7c7e He he he believe it or not Jake has a hand on the the Eddy Brave and Joe Rogan thing. Yeah I like listening to those including the Beatles, eagles, though not on my generation but I love listening to them my music genre are really diverse. No there is no conspiracy there is ONLY Jake.
@b7r7u7c7e look at my posts, I explained why I acted like that. If your not him then you have nothing to worry about. What am asking is that you verify your information first before you made any allegations. You said your student post was deleted on the other video you said it was your post. Which confused me and got my radar up and running. No am not saying there is a conspiracy. I am saying there is JAKE. No disrespect intended. Just be fair in your judgement and verify the information.
Amci06042 Why is my motivation? Lol This is youtube were if you have a video people are going to give there opinion. I've also done it on some Gracie video, Judo video and people look at it as an "opinion"lol Wow you guys are so sensitive when it comes to this guy. Its a dame video relax. I'm just saying as a teacher I would not tell my student to set up like this.
@b7r7u7c7e He he he relax who is being sensitive here? We sensitive no? Suspicious yes, if you have been around that long, you should check the post of S Wrestling guy. You and him sounded the same. And your allegations that Tony blocked your post in NOT correct. You must be referring to a similar video posted by some other people my guess is S. Wrestling.
@b7r7u7c7e Hey dude, if you can ditch it you also must take it. You made some allegations against Tony like how sloppy the techniques being shown or that his partner is not moving. If you get a reply that questions your motivations don't get sensitive. Your allegation that Cecchinecatch blocked your post is not correct. There ae more inappropriate posts made against Tony and none was blocked. Seach for hectordead post to see what am talking about.
@b7r7u7c7e Why am I suspicious with you? Here is the list:
1. You criticize Tony jus Tony. Yes it youtube you can post your opinion but why only Tony? Like some other guys from S. Wrestling who accuses Tony just Tony.
2. Your points and of him not rolling with student is similar to the other guys too.
3. You accusations are all the same even the accusation that 98% doesnt know him, LOL i heard that form Hectordead17
So given the similarities and the ONLY Tony post you're highly suspicious
Amci06042 Go to "Lou Thesz on hooking" were I explain my background. I'm not from scientific wrestling I'm one of the BJJ black back that teaches at Frank Shamrock Martial Art Academy in San Jose. What happened was I had an account by different name but when I gave my opinion on a topic cecchinecatch blocked me from posting. I mean what are we in the 3rd grade? The point of Martial Art is good debate but some people are insecure. But I will be putting some vidz up soon. I back up what I say.
@b7r7u7c7e I like Frank S. You are referring to another video posted by some people who wants Tony to look bad. Cecchinecatch posted the same video. People had been posting there and no is being blocked.
This is a bad "drill". Always get tight control of the body before you secure a 2 on 1. I would first put my left hand under his head simultaneously placing my right hand between his leg, setting up for the mount. If you wish to stay in side control keep chest on his lower chest elbows close to his body then start your attack. Always get good position first so you have options!
@b7r7u7c7e You want to show Tony your points? Lets record that then put in youtube. Just curious you joined youtube July 2011 then attack Tony only Tony. Why? Do you have a business or dvd that will not sell if Tony gets too popular. What is your motivation? You sounded like the guy from Scientific wrestling. Your are actions and motivations are very suspicious.
@b7r7u7c7e BTW he is showing a drill how to get the lock. Watch the other videos where Tony is saying to get the control of the guy. Your comment is out of context.
How come he NEVER does any live rolling in these tapes. Even my bouncers do live rolling with there bjj trainers. You can find Hellio gracie rolling with his sons when he was in his late 60's. All i hear is how so and so said he this and that.....okaaaay so why not do some sparing....light sparing on these tapes. Frank Shamrock broke his back....still would spar. He also broke his arm....couple of months later he was sparing with his student.
@gungfu777 Because these are INSTRUCTIONAL DVDs, not DVDs of Tony rolling live. If you don't think he's ever wrestled anyone, fine. I don't think he much cares. As I told you elsewhere, there's plenty of footage of Tony rolling live out there. Matt Furey owns the rights to much of it and has pulled it from the market. Beyond that, he goes live for a bit on the new Snap, No Tap series. People who've trained with Tony -- myself included -- know what he can do. Believe us or don't.
Amci06042, the last part of my last reply was wrong. What I meant to say is Frank Shamrock fights in a Hybrid style. He did what Bruce Lee said: Take what is useful throw away what isent. Through the years he's rolled with masters and strip it down to its basic form. In other words he couldn't teach Catch know even though that's what he first was taught. So guys in his class who loves the history ask me. So I that's when we got Neil
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
Aci06042, Its not my gym its Mr Shamrocks gym. Its located in San Jose california. I'm just one of the black belt bjj guys who helps tran his students. They have a wrestler there a boxer and Muay Tai guy. Franks approach since 99 has been a hybrid style. So he could show you catch even though that's what he first trained in. Lol
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
Hell ya I can dish it bro. Do it every day on the mat. I love a good debate. I tell my students all the time even if Frank Shamrock does something you think is out of place say something! My problem is I think this is the only place on youtube if you say something negative bout tony you MUST be from the Jake camp!lol know that I think about it that guy on shamrocks website saying all those nasty things must be Tito! Lol
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
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amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e Dude you said this is youtube and you can make any opinions. So I said if you can ditch it so must be able to take it too. So don't get offended, if I'm wrong about you PM me. I said my radar is up because of the list I posted.
I'm pretty sure you are tough on the mat. In fact you sounded like you know what catch wresting is. However I'm not asking or questioning you on that. If you are not what I think you are then you can give a fair assessment on Tony. Not just allegation
amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e BTW when you reply please don't remove the @ sign that way I would know that you replied. Thanks.
amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e BTW I have a friend which I guess is near your place. He wants to learn Catch he is nowhere near Chicago. Where is you gym located?
amci06042 6 months ago
Amci06042 Relax and listen to some Kenny Roger and the Staying Alive soundtrack! Lol Listen to yourself, you sound like this guy...you sound like that guy...lol To be honest I don't think there some conspiracy of people out there to get Tony. Are there guys from Jakes website posing? Maybe happens all the time. BUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON that says something negative?lol Eddy Brovo and UFC Joe Rogan have said the SAME things. *GaSp* is that Jake in disguise?
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e He he he believe it or not Jake has a hand on the the Eddy Brave and Joe Rogan thing. Yeah I like listening to those including the Beatles, eagles, though not on my generation but I love listening to them my music genre are really diverse. No there is no conspiracy there is ONLY Jake.
amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e look at my posts, I explained why I acted like that. If your not him then you have nothing to worry about. What am asking is that you verify your information first before you made any allegations. You said your student post was deleted on the other video you said it was your post. Which confused me and got my radar up and running. No am not saying there is a conspiracy. I am saying there is JAKE. No disrespect intended. Just be fair in your judgement and verify the information.
amci06042 6 months ago
Amci06042 Why is my motivation? Lol This is youtube were if you have a video people are going to give there opinion. I've also done it on some Gracie video, Judo video and people look at it as an "opinion"lol Wow you guys are so sensitive when it comes to this guy. Its a dame video relax. I'm just saying as a teacher I would not tell my student to set up like this.
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e He he he relax who is being sensitive here? We sensitive no? Suspicious yes, if you have been around that long, you should check the post of S Wrestling guy. You and him sounded the same. And your allegations that Tony blocked your post in NOT correct. You must be referring to a similar video posted by some other people my guess is S. Wrestling.
amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e Hey dude, if you can ditch it you also must take it. You made some allegations against Tony like how sloppy the techniques being shown or that his partner is not moving. If you get a reply that questions your motivations don't get sensitive. Your allegation that Cecchinecatch blocked your post is not correct. There ae more inappropriate posts made against Tony and none was blocked. Seach for hectordead post to see what am talking about.
amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e Why am I suspicious with you? Here is the list:
1. You criticize Tony jus Tony. Yes it youtube you can post your opinion but why only Tony? Like some other guys from S. Wrestling who accuses Tony just Tony.
2. Your points and of him not rolling with student is similar to the other guys too.
3. You accusations are all the same even the accusation that 98% doesnt know him, LOL i heard that form Hectordead17
So given the similarities and the ONLY Tony post you're highly suspicious
amci06042 6 months ago
Amci06042 Go to "Lou Thesz on hooking" were I explain my background. I'm not from scientific wrestling I'm one of the BJJ black back that teaches at Frank Shamrock Martial Art Academy in San Jose. What happened was I had an account by different name but when I gave my opinion on a topic cecchinecatch blocked me from posting. I mean what are we in the 3rd grade? The point of Martial Art is good debate but some people are insecure. But I will be putting some vidz up soon. I back up what I say.
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e I like Frank S. You are referring to another video posted by some people who wants Tony to look bad. Cecchinecatch posted the same video. People had been posting there and no is being blocked.
amci06042 6 months ago
This is a bad "drill". Always get tight control of the body before you secure a 2 on 1. I would first put my left hand under his head simultaneously placing my right hand between his leg, setting up for the mount. If you wish to stay in side control keep chest on his lower chest elbows close to his body then start your attack. Always get good position first so you have options!
b7r7u7c7e 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e You want to show Tony your points? Lets record that then put in youtube. Just curious you joined youtube July 2011 then attack Tony only Tony. Why? Do you have a business or dvd that will not sell if Tony gets too popular. What is your motivation? You sounded like the guy from Scientific wrestling. Your are actions and motivations are very suspicious.
amci06042 6 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e BTW he is showing a drill how to get the lock. Watch the other videos where Tony is saying to get the control of the guy. Your comment is out of context.
amci06042 6 months ago
This shit is gold! Always wondered how to get the keylock.
spoonman73 11 months ago
How come he NEVER does any live rolling in these tapes. Even my bouncers do live rolling with there bjj trainers. You can find Hellio gracie rolling with his sons when he was in his late 60's. All i hear is how so and so said he this and that.....okaaaay so why not do some sparing....light sparing on these tapes. Frank Shamrock broke his back....still would spar. He also broke his arm....couple of months later he was sparing with his student.
gungfu777 1 year ago
@gungfu777 Because these are INSTRUCTIONAL DVDs, not DVDs of Tony rolling live. If you don't think he's ever wrestled anyone, fine. I don't think he much cares. As I told you elsewhere, there's plenty of footage of Tony rolling live out there. Matt Furey owns the rights to much of it and has pulled it from the market. Beyond that, he goes live for a bit on the new Snap, No Tap series. People who've trained with Tony -- myself included -- know what he can do. Believe us or don't.
cecchinecatch 1 year ago