Part 2: Professor Ian Plimer Interviewed by Brian Carlton; Heaven and Earth

[lucentenor]

pseudotruth, Monbiot didn't "own" Plimer, he interrupted him and pestered him with cliches. Plimer should have, and could have put him in his place, but Monbiot was disrespectful and I think Plimer didn't want to give him an answer to acknowledge him whatsoever. Monbiot is an idiot who makes a good show but has nothing to back him up accept irrational cliched arguments and harking back to data from the IPCC known to be distorted. The history of this movement is sickening.

[willowb22]

Yes his interests in mining could be call for concern, that however is beside the point. He brings sourced evidence that is being ignored by the few dictators that are running this cash cow. I would tend to uphold the words and citations of a geologist over a politician any day of the week.

[cristop5]

The glaciers advance and retreat, except they are retreating. Sea levels rise and fall, except they are rising.

If you watch Plimer interviewed by Tony Jones you can see him run from science and go political when he's asked to back up his claim that the earth is cooling. By his reckoning that means he lost the argument.

[willowb22]

glaciers are not retreating, they are calving. BIG difference, calfing is the breaking off of ice not from 'melting' but from creeping, due to the added mass from increased precipitation. NASA shows the overall mass of ice is increasing. also the sea level isn't shown to be rising, also from satellite data, which is much more reliable than terrestrial data.

[cristop5]

@willowb22

Glaciers both calve & melt. All else being equal, an increase in precipitation (snowfall) will cause the glacier to grow. This may mean more calving but there will still be a net increase in volume.

The retreat of glaciers is a global phenomenon, and it reflects higher mean air temperatures.

ref: w ww.grid.unep.c h/glaciers/pdfs/glaciers.pdf

[cristop5]

@willowb22

The Arctic sea ice is thinning:

ww w.nasa.g o v/topics/earth/features/icesat­-20090707r.h tml

Greenland & Antarctica are also losing ice:

ww w.agu.o r g/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL040­222.shtm l

[cristop5]

@willowb22

Satellite data show mean global sea levels have risen about 50mm since 1993.

ht tp:/ /sealevel.colorado.e du/results.php

or

ht tp://sealevel.colorado.e du/current/sl_ib_ns_global.jpg

[willowb22]

they don't work sorry - threads for forums...

[cristop5]

@willowb22

Youtube won't allow you to put in direct links (anti-spam measure), so I had to put some spaces in there.

If you paste a link then remove all the spaces you will see the article. I think one link has a space at the end of it.

[seaplaneguy1]

Post Climategate...PIlmer is vindicated. What a blast of fresh air...

[pseudotruth]

If Plimer's arguments were as watertight as he claims, he would have submitted them to a premier peer-reviewed scientific journal like 'Nature' for publication.

The fact is that he hasn't, he put them in a book that has been slated by numerous scientists.

For a list of the errors and deceits in Plimer's Climate drivel,

google:

Ian Plimer Heaven Earth checking the claims Enting

The only 'missing science' is the science missing from Plimer's arguments!

[jmchristian63]

I checked the errors and deceits. They are inadequate for any proper refutation. Sorry.

[pseudotruth]

jmchristian63

Plimer was OWNED by Monbiot on ABC, the ever arrogant Plimer was shown to be a fraud. Plimer lies about CO2 from volcanoes, the lies again and gets repeatedly caught-out when tested against the science.

And these lies were in the list that you claimed were inadequate! Were you being dishonest, or just incompetent? Give an honest answer! [this time]

Any vestige of Plimer's credibility has been torn to shreds.

Google

Plimer, Monbiot cross swords in climate debate

[Sigifrith]

Thank God a voice of sanity.

[rimian]

Also the director of three mining companies. He claims there's no conflict of interest however.

[ninjafreak9500]

Excellent interview, Thanks for posting!

[concerned1juan]

excellent interview, Thanks spoonman!