Are you playing the same version as this one? The video below seems to start an octave higher. I'm a little confused. Which is the original, or is that kid just starting it an octave higher because it sounds better?
@PianoTHIS -- so true. Boring piece. Hard to play boring pieces...yawhn. Also hard to tell if u suck or not. U should talk more about asian kid's doting parents, and not restrain ur true feelings.
instead of using the letters, i taught my self to play with the numbers on my fingers and memorize where my fingers move and write them down and iv got a least twenty symphonies : )
fur elise is way easier thn this.....i started learning this song since the pre month...i still make a lot of mistakes.....i dont understand i can play houki boshi very well it took only 1 week...but man this is hard....just shows the extent of god given talent to a man (im talking bout Bethoven)
u hav done absolute justice to the song my friend!
I'm having a little difficulty seeing what keys your pressing at 1:05... -____- the lighting is off, so the whole piano looks like one giant key for the whites, and I can't tell where they start or end. Besides that, amazingly nice sound.
I started playing piano when I was 18 years old, and now I'm 21 and playing a sorts of things. Like popsongs and classic music like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. When u have the good feeling for music, you can learn some instrument at any age I believe!
I play without sheetmusic, I watch and remember, most of all youtube :)
yeah! I do it the same way....One more thing I use to learn is FL Studio. I get a ringtone of a song (MIDI format), open it with FL Studio, look in the piano roll window and move the playback line very very slowly from left to right - it works, that´s how I´m learning Bach´s Toccata & Fugue D-minor
depends on how far you go in piano. if you want to learn things like the fray or five for fighting; yeah. if you want to master things like debussy, chopin, liszt, beethoven, etc. that's a tough maybe. you'd have to practice every day for like, the rest of your life, with the occasional breaks
I learnt when I was a child but I gave it up at 10. I have been pleasantly surprised to discover this all coming back with a bit of effort! So exciting. So I think if you watch a tutorial here then look at the sheet music directly after and you have a theory book you will grasp v quickly! Best thing is to play everyday, morning prefered see how you feel in a few weeks!
At about 5 minutes, you were too cool when you were waving your hand, that's why you messed up. but very good performance. It was exciting watching your hands move
good job! i'm a fan of beethoven too! if u want u can come to my channel to see me playing ode to joy. it's not really good, but i'm just saying if u wanna visit it.
Hello, i have a question, i hope you can answer. Starting from 0:55 seconds in the video, playing the left hand, how did you switch from C octave to the chords? because on the music sheet, it only shows the chords but it does not tell you to jump back and forth, I think it sounds better that way. If you could, or anyone, please explain to me how to do that.
It is difficult in a sense, in both articulation and achieving a certain level of musicality while the hands are so confined to the accuracy of the notes in between the octaves.
Like 99% of performers, you miread the beginning! I don't know musical terminology in English, but the Beethoven's 5th does not start with a slow ta-ta-ta-taaa,(with accent on the first "ta") but it's 4 quavers, the first of which is silent... So it's ( )-ta-ta-ta taaaaaa; try to immagine the accent on the silent 1st quaver, let the accent hit again on the taaaaa and don't forget that it's "Allegro con brio" including the first notes!Cheers
I can only assume your comment has been rated down because of the general ignorance of most youtubers who will automatically snap at anything even vaguely negative. Anyway, what you say is entirely true - there is NO marking anywhere in the score which even suggests that the opening few bars should be taken any slower than the rest of the movement, and if you listen to the great conductors (Karajan, Eliot Gardner etc.), you will find that they all take the beginning extremely fast.
yepp, but beginners need to take it in slowly, you know, like their "first time". Let the connoisseurs drink from the fire-hose that is Lizet-Beethoven. Thx for dropping in.
Yawn, whattan ignoramus. Even Brahms, Tchaikovsky, great though they were, would never be able to approach the domain of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, precisely because the former chose to reject their religious conscience. But in the end, everyone is innately "religious", even el Diablo--they only choose to suppress it or not.
This is hardly a 'lesson'. What did you teach us? What the hands sound like played separately (at a point where the writing is of little contrapuntal density- the l.h. merely outlining harmonies). I wouldn't be quite so harsh if it wasn't clear from your comments that you have such an horrendous attitude problem, but it's quite clear that you're hiding behind the idea of giving a 'lesson' merely because you know you this isn't up to scratch.However I fail to see what can be learned here.
aahh cziffra again, u r a wonderful pianoista and indeed u cannot learn from this aged vid. It's true it's from the junk pile, but in fact most people are not at your esteemed level, and can in fact learn from it, in steps. I leave ur link so that ppl cn enjoyr superior pianistic abilities. But u seem limited to just piano playing, and perhaps that is ur religion. That's a worthy pursuit. I'm more interested in the composition structure, and doing whatever's "fun". Smile, don't frown!
What on earth is all this nonsense about the relevance of Judeo-Christian beliefs? While nobody could dispute that Bach was greatly inspired by his religion, when did Chopin say that his music had anything to do with religious virtue? Putting words into these composer's mouths does no favours to them or to religion. The only 'smallness of character' I see here is in your ludicrious implication that religious people occupy higher musical ground than non believers.
cziffra, ur responses tend to presume too much (or too little). But since logic by dictionary def relies upon axioms, which by dict def relies upon belief, then, that's a personal choice for u an moi. Rather, it's extremely ludicrous, as a non-composer yourself, to presume that we composers compose w/o inspiration from our Creator, and other sub-creators as an act of personal worship, and artistic concern for our fellow man. Beethoven, altho razed Catholic, couldn't w/o that xtra motive.
Well, I'm glad to see that you've replied with a reasonable and rational answer (unlike to some earlier commenters). However, are you seriously suggesting that an atheist composer CANNOT write good music? How about Scriabin, who believed that HE was God? I respect your right to religious beliefs and your right to take inspiration from them. However, I find your comments in the description to be shockingly condescending towards countless talented musicians who believe/d in nothing at all.
Touche! My fav composer to study was apparently an atheist, who still found meaning in the Orthodox chants: Tchaikovsky. He and I do not favor Brahms's lack of color. But what is most tragic, is despite their efforts, failed to find meaning. So yes, their music, tho great, suffers from a certain "audibly missing" element, which only we connoisseurs of the Spirit can detect more so than others who are not so "attuned".
So you could detect this, if you played music in a blind listening test, with no idea of whether the music you were hearing at any one moment was the work of a religious composer or not? I should be most interested to see this put to the test and discover how you fare. I appreciate that from your own perspective, you may find it sad to think that a person does not believe as you do. However, I find it sad if you cannot hear music without external religious prejudices determining your impression.
My only 'prejudice' is against what you have transparently revealed as a lack of open-mindedness in your appreciation of music. This cannot go any further unless you wish to sit through a blind listening test and accurately identify whether each piece was written by a religious composer. Unless you can go ahead and do so, it is clear that you have a closed-mind to music.
Pls re-read logic & axioms def: subjective belief rules the day, which by def requires Choice not proof--therefore so-called scientific tests won't prove anything. Still, I do this sort of thing all the time, just for fun. In my experience, I have a "batting average" of perhaps 7 or 8 out of 10--not perfect, but certainly better than 50/50. A true composer (and player) cannot help but reveal himself, his anguishes, joys, esp. to another composer. Everyone speculates, some more accurately.
Also, perhps u r rite in the sense that no one can judge for sure w 100% accuracy, based on just the music; but I give testimony that certain ppl can in fact "have a hunch", and usually r correct upon confirmation later w external biographical facts. So what does that prove? Nothing, except that there are profound and noteable differences between composers who found spiritual meaning and those who didn't. All music "says something". It's only "propaganda" to those who disagree.
I have a number of religious friends (or 'connoisseurs of the spirit'). No doubt they would all find something 'missing' in EVERY work of Brahms and Tchaikovsky, thanks to their enlightenment. Alternately, perhaps they would be open minded enough to appreciate a work of art once it has occured, regardless of whether it was directly inspired by God? After all, if you are religious you believe God created everything. So why should it matter whether the composer realised it came from God or not?
This is a good question, but it cannot be answered to one who already rejects meaningfulness in life. For if u already chose that things in gen don't matter, how can it be answered that things do matter? Look up Fides et Ratio on wikipedia.
I really don't like your reference to 'our' music (where you include your own alongside that of Chopin etc.). I do not feel that such composers would appreciate music being pigeonholed into that of religious and non-religious authors (particularly when you are suggesting that those without belief cannot attain a suitable level of inspiration). If a composer takes inspiration from religion then great, but nobody has the right to judge an atheist artist for finding inspiration outside of it.
Atheist music critics (perhaps the majority) do have every right to criticize religious composrs 4 treating biblical subjects, using art in a Liturgical sense. (u presume 2 little). So too, do religious music critics, for doing their duty according to their teachings, to instruct ppl about the subtle diffrncs betwn atheistic & religious-minded composrs. This subj is typically Taboo, in secular conservatories, but entirely worthy as instructive material. Then ppl can Choose!
What matters to the act of artistic creation is having ANY source of inspiration. It is of no concern what that is. Atheist composers have written superb music and religious composers have written terrible music and vice versa. Regardless of origins, after an artwork has occured it stands solely on its merit. It is of no concern to the listener whether God was responsible (unless that listener has their own religious agenda or wishes to use anything available to them as religious propaganda).
If that b ur choice, it's urs. However, u presume too much. Nehemiah 12-13: liturgical music carries added socio-economic-lawful dimention to those who find meaning, and instruction, in it. In addition, it is undisputed fact that it has drawn billions of people over the eons, to church, not to abort or infanticide, not to give up on life, etc. Thus, art brings more than just art, for the majority, but also hope, and meaning. If u reject that, that's only ur choice.
You put words into my mouth. I didn't 'reject' anything, except your belief that religious-inspired art is inherently superior. That's an interesting claim about abortion etc. A person could easily add that it must also have helped spread AIDS and overpopulation, although I would prefer not to go that way. If this is what a person believes in, they would do rather better to campaign for it than sit around writing music (religious or otherwise).Music should be an art, not a means of propaganda.
Everyone utilizes "propaganda" to project their own egos & choices of beliefs, incl Lenin, PJPII & u. But the reality is, music is a means of communication, as well as an art form, as well as a tool for the State, for opposing Institutions, ideological, cultural, spiritual warfare at the highest levels. In light of this reality, which is both good & bad, one should not have so limited and constricting a view of art. Rather, just embrace reality, and use art 4 ur own ends, as u find fit.
Do you see this evident contradiction in what you said earlier and what you say now? Earlier, music could not contain depth unless the author was religious. Now you're talking about composers writing music for the sake of promoting God? That isn't profound in any way. Who is restricted here exactly? The composer who writes ADVERTS for God, or the composer who desires nothing but to make a great work of ART!
"desires nothing but" merely reflects ur restrictive point of view. It is not the reality for Bach, Mozart, Chopin, or even Nietzche. Lucas, does not make art only for the sake of "great Art", but to say things he feels are helpful messages to live by. So what u r saying is art that "says nothing" is inherently superior to art that "says something". That is only ur choice to believe or not--I believe it is far too constrictive, and dismissive of what actual composers & authors DO.
No. Why do you continue to make such wild, innaccurate assumptions? YOU said it says 'nothing'. I say it can say EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. You say that above all it should promote God (which is clearly the "something" that is very much your word again, not mine). I see nothing profound or artistic in such a restricted line of music, where God must always come first.
It is clear that ur kind statistically tends to want to suppress or discredit those who merely want to say something about their personal beliefs. That's ur rite to do so. But as u see above, this will go nowhere, only becz u've chosen a system of thot that is incompatible w the majority, who find spiritual meaning in much music. So let us kindly save ea. other wasted, fruitless time, and get back to our respective musical goals. Bon ami!
I have no interest in 'discrediting' anything other than the ignorance with which you preclude yourself from liking non-religious composers (though, ironically, some on your religious list were far from especially religious). Whereas you are trying to discredit others (while trying to glorify yourself in an embarassingly transparent manner), I wish to discredit your extra-musical prejudices that led you to dismiss even a former favourite composer, on imagined issues of missing musical 'spirit'.
yes, my weakness is that I say what I mean, rather than try to hide behind impenetrable veils. Ignorance is subjective: certainly atheists are ignorant of spiritual matters by choice, not by intellect. Remember, deductive logic relies upon axioms, which all are chosen or rejected, purely by belief not proof. That applies in science, to historical interpretation, to music. Hence, logic cannot operate, w/o some chosen beliefs, including the kind u operate from. No arg there. Good day!
Also, I find spiritual meaning in a huge amount of music. Strawman arguments do not help your case. The problem is that you are unable to accept that others can appreciate art outside of religion. If you are happy in dismissing music for religious reasons then great, but do not assume that those who listen happily to music without religion being an issue take any less from doing so. It's not your beliefs that disturb me but your attitude towards those who do not share them.
Well spoken, and 1/2 true, for u've finally verbalized the heart of what disturbs u in particular. It only errs in presuming that I think atheists can't appreciate good music, godly or not. Meanwhile, I will continue to vocalize, what disturbs me most about atheistic composers, authors, and politicians, just as u will likely continue on your path. Musically yours,
Yes, I shall certainly continue on my path of being 'inherently handicapped at playing the pieces' of Beethoven and Chopin etc. 'expressively enough'.
No doubt you will continue in your path of putting yourself side by side with a number of great composers (who held considerably less restrictive religious beliefs than yours) and trying to convince everyone that your religious fervour makes you are a comparable composer (and superior to any atheist composer).
Check out the Fantasy and Fugue on B-A-C-H by Liszt performed by Marc andre hamelin. Only the devil can play stuff like. And it sounds dark and demented too. Liszt surely at his most maniacal.
Liszt was crazy, just plain crazy! LOL! What better way to study something than to take the orchestral score and squash it down to the piano! I paid a fortune for all of the Liszt transcriptions of Beethoven Symphonies. Marvelous though!
One of the most difficult pieces in the piano repetoir? Wow i mean before i thaught pieces like the liszt sonata, ligeti etudes, prokofiev piano concerto's, rachmaninov piano concerto's, prokofiev's tocata, ravels tocata, prokofiev sonata's, Beethoven sonata's etc were, but i guess the five minute piece of transcribed music you just played sums that all up.
Even if I do not understand what is going on here, I do understand that you can't go like this forever. I suggest you and your...ummm...opponents stop with this waste of time and continue with the piano demonstrations. Please.
Hah, "normal" christians. Most, by their own admission and security comfort zone, are tepid, just want to stay out of trouble, won't say anything. But "abnormal" Christians, like Mozart, Shakespeare, et al, come out into the open and stir up Cultural Controversy, because they love challenging others of lesser stature to become better people. Hence, you'll never understand music, because you think normalcy means tepidness.
try if you can sucker. You'll be struck down in an instant. Come hither and show your malicious intent some more. There are more of us than of you. You haven't answered my points, because you know you can't...so you resort to threats upon my life. Typical communist.
The lesson for sean is, "Contempt breeds contempt" x100. Sean, you cannot weasel yourself out of this by saying, "enemies you created", when you started this by expressing contempt for other's "pathetic" keyboards, etc. Hence, you are a liar, irresponsible, and a worm, trying to cover-up your faults and pin the blame on a flame war you started. Many mob people are dishonest this way, and they "protect the evil-doers" by siding with the liars of the world like you.
hey dude thanks because you help me a bit i play that piece on my recital and my piano teacher was suprised because iam only grade 3 on piano lesson i suppose play fur elise but i want to play that piece it is difficult to memorise thank again dude.
I'm not a coward, I'm just more mature than you in the sense that I can block you and feel done with it, putting it aside for more important things.
You have caused a flame war over this, and if you are such a true musician/biblical preacher, why don't you go back to your retarded church (no offense to other NORMAL christians that interpret christianity in the correct way), and focus on your organs. Speaking of which, I hope you lose them.
You've made it clear what you think of the majority of the world who are judeo-christian. You believe their priests are all pedophiles. Hence, I expose your anti-semitic, anti-christian hate. You are not a person of peace, but a sower of discord. Hence you deserve a good whipping, your parents too. A minor devilish fiend you are.
...and sean did not build a building. He attempted to blow mine up, and kill many innocent people by making unrelated remarks about my lovely stack of pipe-organ-centric keyboards, and by attacking Indo-Euro-American-Judeo-Christian ethics regarding the actual nature of Sin and Virtue. This is the material that World Wars are fought over. Hence, it is only worthy that he be chastized now, before he becomes a grownup Monster suppressing our religious rights later on.
xD, a less mature person would tell you where you can shove your biblical preaching....
Fine, as you wish me to be completely honest;
I think you are a egotistical, megalomaniac, baka who can only feel like a "real" man by threatening bodily harm to any who does not agree with your egotistical view of your self importance, dattebayo! Savy?
As in Mozart's letters to simpletons, I have nothing to hide of my own dark side. Realize, however, by criticizing my (admitted) egotism and immaturity, you are also criticizing a great many Composers (Mozartm, Handel, etc.) who shared very similar traits, including our combined impatience with misguided fools such as you.
It's like I put my hand on your head, and you keep swinging at me in vain, whilst I yawn. Comical actually!
Shut the hell up. Do you do this to everyone who has an opinion different to yours? Yes, it's a nice piano piece, I agree. So is Mozart, so is Bach. Don't cause WW3 over something so FUCKING useless.
The right of free speech often produces useful debate. I have shown here that sean et al is anti-semitic, and it is related to music. Hence, if I force people to come out into the open with their (previously hidden) views, then I, along with Newt G and other authors, did my job in exposing the lie behind many smiling ugly faces. I don't care if it makes me look bad or immature--I just care that the liars are exposed, before they inflict WWIII onto the world yet again.
Here's an illustrative thought exercise: When sean denigrated my mere mention of the judeo-christian concept of mortal sin, he bordered on anti-semitic. Shakespeare (Hamlet), Mozart, Handel, Bach etc. also shared my same beliefs, and would also have thrown a shoe, and responded strongly at sean, as I do. Sean stated he wants me to die, so, surprisingly, he is also telling Mozart et al to die, merely because we discuss Christian sin & virtue in our music.
Thanks for visitng: however, you in Hong Kong do not appreciate the deep level of debate going on here, which is important. Seans anti-semitic remarks ridiculing the concept of sin, held by over 3 billion judeo-christians, is serious, and warrants a response. Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung held similar views as sean, and it led to Genocide of anyone who believes. You probably don't understand, because you are Hong Kong.
Now that we have moved on from the idiotic rambling(s) of a three-year-old, your playing is not bad, but it isn't the best....
Frankly, I have no need to upload a video with the sole-purpose being to prove to someone else something. I consider myself better then that.... If you cannot accept that, I am sorry....
Also, greatness in composition demands a mix of both egotism of self, and humilty before God. When one of better-developed talents is assaulted by one (such as yourself and sean) of far lesser talents, it is not egotistical to make illustrative statements which show your smallness and dishonesty as fake.
Seriously, thou, grow up, this piece is not even one of "the" hardest.... I agree with some of the others, let us see you play one of the harder pieces....
Your playing is no-where near good enough to make it professional....
To me,BEETHOVEN-LISZT Symphony No. 5 I , is one of the easiest to play.... Without disclosing my age, I have mastered this supposedly "hard" piece in under two weeks....
It truly isn't that hard.... And don't tell me I havenot played it, I have!
So, John, please post a video of you playing each movment, particularly the most difficult 4th. Also show me your credentials are higher than concert pianist Lesilie Howard, who is highly acclaimed on Liszt and Rachmaninov works, but says this is among the hardest. Me think's you are immature and un-accomplished. Na na.
If being an Atheist means "Sinning", then by all means call me a sinner!
Simply because we are of a different mindset about something that is without facts to support said thing, does not mean we are "minimalistic", or "grunting line an ape"!
Anyhow, your piano playing isn't the best, but it isn't the worst, either, and yes,BEETHOVEN-LISZT Symphony No. 5 I, isn't anything nearly as challenging as you make it out to be.... Also, in some-places, your tempo should be faster!
John, I appreciate your perceptive entries here. It is much more welcome than sean's unschooled part. However, please look up the Catholic catechism on definition of Mortal Sin (vatican website). Where "sins against the spirit" (atheism) are never forgivable, whereas other sins, even murder, are. This is counter-intuitive, because it is saying that denying God exists is worst than murder, because (purportedly), it leads to mass-mass murder.
...for example: Hitler, Lenin, Marx, Stalin autobios revealed malicious intent to mass-murder, which they actually did. Like Mongols, Timurids, they de-populated 30-millions at a time. This is different than "self-defense", which although greed later seeped into various Crusaders, (inevitably, human nature), the real impetus was defense against mass-murderers like Mongols & Timurids.
Contrast this to Christ's message: "Pray for and forgive your enemies". While I find it difficult to forgive sean his errors, I find it more enjoyable to invite him here and fight me, if he can--I'd easily beat him (maybe you) to a pulp. Yet I can still pray for you, tee hee! Whereas the great figures of atheism actually say, "kill them all". That is a HUGE difference. An attack on human dignity and rights. Hence, it deserves to be "defended against".
You have just shown how immature you are. How can you compare yourself to a 13 year old in skill? And the funny thing is you have no bounds in stopping. Once you imsunderstand something, you launch a flurry of attacks.
IT's so funny reading your comments, because it shows the perfectionist side, of how you ALWAYS need to be right and ALWAYS need to get the bragging rights.
People like you will never succeed. Psht, "DEER LOOKIT MY KUSTOM BILT ORGIN LOL 2 KEYBOARD LOLZ" >>
Sean, you're a rank cynic, hence you'll never be great in music. However, I am secure in my own ID, knowing my other "early" compositions have been compared to Bach, Chopin, John Williams etc., by critics far more knowledgeable than you. So I'm OK with posting even "imperfect" material as a demo, since you don't know shit about my other stuff.
I never declared that I was atheisist, I said I was buddhist. at least I have a true faith. Our faith is as good as yours, and if you start attacking religion, there are upper forces that aren't appreciating that.
In other words, you cannot attack my religion, because I never attacked yours.
I never declared you were atheist, however I said "atheistic mindset". Big difference. You attacked Christianity by saying comments about sins in ridicule, which happen to be the same beliefs about sin that Mozart and Bach had. Thus, you are fundamentally handicapped about insight into any of their music, which (such as Don Giovanni), which draw on deeper concepts of Sin than you'll ever appreciate.
Actually, while I have many buddhist friends, the definition of buddhism itself states that it is atheist, as I understand it. It does not believe in any one God, but a pantheism of gods. If so, then it is not far off from the formal definition of atheism. This is not to attack buddism, but to clarify its own definition of itself.
hey 4-eyed geek sean, they are weighted keys on the bottom. Wouldn't have it any other way. Where's your real piano? You also play on a crappy electric. But it doesn't matter for this mere demo.
Seans comments are typical of atheistic-mindset: always "minimalist" and grunting like an ape. They do not see "beauty" in things, nor do they get it. It's a waste of time explaining to them, they have no reading comprehension, and always contradict both truth and themselves.
Catholic / Christian composers (Rachmaninov, Mozart, Schubert, Bach etc.) have always been closest to God, and closest to Music, emulating the Creator Himself, able to appreciate a deep love of beauty and ordered form.
...but atheistic composers always had "something missing", like a minimalist cynical mindset, audible in their less-than sublime music. Brahms was perhaps a rare exception, but still he's nowhere near Bach, Mozart etc. in that "heavenly" quality of beauty.
Kids, this is why sean lerkvikarn will never be a great musician, since he is hostile to christianity, the birthplace and mother of the greatest music of all time. He is hostile to the beliefs of Bach, Mozart, Liszt (a priest), etc., so he will never "see" them.
hardest piece of music? i dont think so; think of the other pieces:
winter wiind etude, liszt polonaise no.2, grand galop chromatique, dante sonata, 4th transc etude of liszt, liszt un sospiro etc. In my opinion, i can say this piece of music is hard but however NOT THAT HARD!!!!!!!!
Interesting showing off names, but Listen carefully: I said, "one of the" not "the" hardest pieces. See Leslie Howard's own comments. Rachmaninov concertos are also very hard, but in an entirely different way.
Hey stupid wimp with the turkey-face: it's not 'the' hardest, and it wasn't said as so. You're dumb reading/listening comprehension, you get an F. However, the 4th movement, with hits fast octave runs and leaps, is one area that places it "up there", not shown on this vid, idiot.
the guy Franzl's "opinion" is not authoritative. The Factual evidence comes from a piano authority, like concert pianist Leslie Howard, who states that most concert pianist never tackle these because they are so much harder than Rachmaninov et al.
Rachmaninov's 3rd--yes, it's tough it its own way, but in a very different way than the Liszt-Beethoven transcriptions. Fantasie Impromptu is so easy for 2nd graders. I mastered that in under 1 week in my teens. Trust me, that does not come close to the Liszt-Beethoven transcriptions...so fuck you ignoramus.
Listen fuckhead, you are just trying to show of your supposed knowledge of the piano. You obviously haven't played the 5th, nor read Leslie Howard's recording notes. These tax the physical endurance and dexterity more so than the chopin heroic polonaise, but no matter, you wouldn't know anyway. I've heard your playing, and it is good for a hobbyist, but not "up there" to know the difference.
I'm going to teach you a Lesson of Love from Proverbs--I am strict with people and do not spare the rod when they err so badly. You have committed the sin of both insult and errant pre-judgement. So I need to humble you now before your kind multiplies its errors like rabbits.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh yeah, like I fucking care about your strictness? Sparing the rod, is it like you're going to hunt me down and hit me or something?
Sins, sure, whatever, I'm not christian.
And you know what you need to do? Go die. In a very terrible way.
Hey, wimp with scrawney, breakable arms. You wouldn't know. Go pirate music somewhere else. Your own videos seem to show proof of your pirated music on your piano. Good, you'll get caught eventually.
To illustrate: when you denigrate my citation of Proverbs (ancient Judaic wisdom) and christianity's concept of sin together, you make essentially an anti-semitic remark which despises both our peoples and our faiths.
Yours since the beginning was hardly peaceful, and full of hate. You deserve what you got, and more. Come here, let me whip your parents too. You'd be surprised, "true" chistianity figures (popes, Jesus, etc.) did actually whip people for being errant simpletons. That is the historic Judeo-Christian way, which should be revived. You're just a fiend who raids other's houses to waste time.
What are you, Ghandi? You haven't read anything, so u wouldn't know. Certain religions preach violence to non-members. Judeo-Christianity, however, preaches using peace wherever possible, but also the Rod / whip where it is absolutely necessary. And it also preaches Thomas Aquinas' just war self-defense doctrine. You raid my house, you get whipped, gayboy.
wow nice discussion:) i dont think la campanella, Fantasy imp & heroic polonaise are hard... they are moderate. Some of etudes made by Scriabin, Liszt & Godowsky are harder.
yes i perfume my hands every day, and have it manicured by my servants who service my daily needs. Amazingly, they stay graceful even though playing on a Ice Hockey team and beating the living s#$t out of many foes. God must be protecting them.
wow I'm actually learning this with the sheet music and it's so flipping hard I watch this video like every other measure haha! thanks so much for putting it up!
...not to mention that you deviate significantly from Liszt's transcription.
BTW...not the fermatas in measures 2 and 5, you're ignoring them. Also, at the first half-cadence the high G shouldn't be repeated...it is simply held. Oh, and careful in the development section where the strings and woodwinds alternate chords in half-notes...you are playing some of them with wrong notes
correct. let us call it, liszt beethoven for dummies. 12 years ago, without the benefit of a real piano. Thusly, those who learned something from it are satisfied, and those who didn't can show off their expertise elsewhere in a concert hall. . . just send me the front row tickets.
besides, I never follow most works exactly. I find most of that earlier period are (yawn) boring, so I insert my own notes and jazzed up offbeat rhythms to taste (since I also drum). I have little patience for "purists", because they are not working in the spirit of composers like I or the other composers did. Thusly, they purists are better off in conservatories, needed to "preserve" the way it was, whereas composers explore new ground.
. . .and they take risks, huge risks. whereas mere players only play it safe, the way things are written, following the formula. As Wagner said of Liszt. . .he plays like a monkee! (tho I disagree, Liszt is our mutual mentor).
I am not saying that I am a wonderful pianist, but it takes a lot more than a real piano, and time. There is a reason there aren't 10 Richters running around, and lots of people have the two af
Are you playing the same version as this one? The video below seems to start an octave higher. I'm a little confused. Which is the original, or is that kid just starting it an octave higher because it sounds better?
watch?v=L_w1zGm_zEc
Thank you.
lllllllllllllll88 1 year ago
@lllllllllllllll88 mine is the orig. The kid murders the piece in the opening, poor guy. But he makes a valid heroic attempt the rest of the way...
musicLessons2 1 year ago
it must be hard because you can't play it either. lol
PianoTHIS 1 year ago
@PianoTHIS -- so true. Boring piece. Hard to play boring pieces...yawhn. Also hard to tell if u suck or not. U should talk more about asian kid's doting parents, and not restrain ur true feelings.
musicLessons2 1 year ago
Good job! ;]
STARCHILDTHAPRODUCA 2 years ago
nice playing :D i like it
DaNerfGang 2 years ago
Before I start learning this I better go learn notes in the first place..
lieutnantmaster 2 years ago
instead of using the letters, i taught my self to play with the numbers on my fingers and memorize where my fingers move and write them down and iv got a least twenty symphonies : )
Tornadoty 2 years ago
Respekt
Padrino129 2 years ago
fur elise is way easier thn this.....i started learning this song since the pre month...i still make a lot of mistakes.....i dont understand i can play houki boshi very well it took only 1 week...but man this is hard....just shows the extent of god given talent to a man (im talking bout Bethoven)
u hav done absolute justice to the song my friend!
technoxtreme 2 years ago
How do I get an overhead view of Beethoven's Seventh Allegretto Liszt translation -I will pay- Is it for sale
dtoma555 2 years ago
ma questa è una performance o una lezione
se è una lezione non sicapisce niente.
coglione!
antonellocapodicasa 2 years ago 3
wow. I think i'll stick to learning fur elise.
byrobyro 2 years ago 7
lmfaoo good one
lancer717 2 years ago
lol omg i was learning that for school
sinakon 2 years ago
I got it now. Haha. Gonna try and learn the harmony area.
Koruflame 2 years ago
I'm having a little difficulty seeing what keys your pressing at 1:05... -____- the lighting is off, so the whole piano looks like one giant key for the whites, and I can't tell where they start or end. Besides that, amazingly nice sound.
Koruflame 2 years ago
i'm 20 now , can i still learn to play piano ? Because somebody says kids can learn piano faster than adult like me :( .
alvinus23 2 years ago
I started playing piano when I was 18 years old, and now I'm 21 and playing a sorts of things. Like popsongs and classic music like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. When u have the good feeling for music, you can learn some instrument at any age I believe!
I play without sheetmusic, I watch and remember, most of all youtube :)
Good luck!
DutchKell 2 years ago 7
yeah! I do it the same way....One more thing I use to learn is FL Studio. I get a ringtone of a song (MIDI format), open it with FL Studio, look in the piano roll window and move the playback line very very slowly from left to right - it works, that´s how I´m learning Bach´s Toccata & Fugue D-minor
Sytrus3 2 years ago
@DutchKell I started 2 years ago and now you can see I can play some easy pieces. It is never late to learn.
Adamalgorithm 2 years ago
yes you can.
LeStudenti 2 years ago
yes u can :)
srmagic932 2 years ago
depends on how far you go in piano. if you want to learn things like the fray or five for fighting; yeah. if you want to master things like debussy, chopin, liszt, beethoven, etc. that's a tough maybe. you'd have to practice every day for like, the rest of your life, with the occasional breaks
sleepingcows 2 years ago
I learnt when I was a child but I gave it up at 10. I have been pleasantly surprised to discover this all coming back with a bit of effort! So exciting. So I think if you watch a tutorial here then look at the sheet music directly after and you have a theory book you will grasp v quickly! Best thing is to play everyday, morning prefered see how you feel in a few weeks!
All the best! :)
STARCHILDTHAPRODUCA 2 years ago
Liszt... Hungary rules :D
KrimeForArt 2 years ago
Hungary for food? Jus kidding. Liszt became Priest, because he repented Cosima, and was a good man. So Hooray for Lizst!
musicLessons2 2 years ago
There's a supposition which says that Liszt had 12 finger, so 6 fingers on each hands...
KrimeForArt 2 years ago 2
ty for this video
starwizard12 2 years ago
was für eine schlechte Interpretation!
Quadrupelfuge 2 years ago
At about 5 minutes, you were too cool when you were waving your hand, that's why you messed up. but very good performance. It was exciting watching your hands move
ducttape83 2 years ago
good job! i'm a fan of beethoven too! if u want u can come to my channel to see me playing ode to joy. it's not really good, but i'm just saying if u wanna visit it.
SimplePianoPlaying 3 years ago
please can you make the video bigger beacause i dont see anything
girly111111 3 years ago
Hello, i have a question, i hope you can answer. Starting from 0:55 seconds in the video, playing the left hand, how did you switch from C octave to the chords? because on the music sheet, it only shows the chords but it does not tell you to jump back and forth, I think it sounds better that way. If you could, or anyone, please explain to me how to do that.
Thanks,
- broskii09
broskii09 3 years ago
Not sure, I just did it (yrs ago), no longer. Kalmust Liszt-version has all that stuff, perhaps u have a reduced version.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
do you have an idea where to find the Kalmust Liszt version? or the full version? maybe on the internet? thanks.
broskii09 3 years ago
It is difficult in a sense, in both articulation and achieving a certain level of musicality while the hands are so confined to the accuracy of the notes in between the octaves.
dougo18907 3 years ago
Like 99% of performers, you miread the beginning! I don't know musical terminology in English, but the Beethoven's 5th does not start with a slow ta-ta-ta-taaa,(with accent on the first "ta") but it's 4 quavers, the first of which is silent... So it's ( )-ta-ta-ta taaaaaa; try to immagine the accent on the silent 1st quaver, let the accent hit again on the taaaaa and don't forget that it's "Allegro con brio" including the first notes!Cheers
voolare 3 years ago
I can only assume your comment has been rated down because of the general ignorance of most youtubers who will automatically snap at anything even vaguely negative. Anyway, what you say is entirely true - there is NO marking anywhere in the score which even suggests that the opening few bars should be taken any slower than the rest of the movement, and if you listen to the great conductors (Karajan, Eliot Gardner etc.), you will find that they all take the beginning extremely fast.
morris9409 2 years ago
yepp, but beginners need to take it in slowly, you know, like their "first time". Let the connoisseurs drink from the fire-hose that is Lizet-Beethoven. Thx for dropping in.
musicLessons2 2 years ago
yo, correcto, but this is a lesson, not a performance. Cheerio cerial ist goot.
musicLessons2 2 years ago
i loved it :)
kirstyms03 3 years ago
Bach was devout , but not Beethoven or Mozart.
They were as religious as was Galileo or any other intelligent person during an epoch when the church dominated social life.
If Beethoven , Mozart or Bach were alive today, they would be atheists. They are too intelligent to be religious.
Adamalgorithm 3 years ago 2
Yawn, whattan ignoramus. Even Brahms, Tchaikovsky, great though they were, would never be able to approach the domain of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, precisely because the former chose to reject their religious conscience. But in the end, everyone is innately "religious", even el Diablo--they only choose to suppress it or not.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
Mozart always viewed himself as a true son of the Roman Church -- despite his Freemasonry.
Galileo was a hermeticist who asserted the Copernican idea of the relative movememnt of the earth to the sun as an absolute.
neothomist1275 3 years ago
it acctully is not hard i could play this when I was 10
raerae1998wg 3 years ago
Well if you can play it when you are ten well can you play t with your eyes close i can.
beethoven2nd 3 years ago
This is hardly a 'lesson'. What did you teach us? What the hands sound like played separately (at a point where the writing is of little contrapuntal density- the l.h. merely outlining harmonies). I wouldn't be quite so harsh if it wasn't clear from your comments that you have such an horrendous attitude problem, but it's quite clear that you're hiding behind the idea of giving a 'lesson' merely because you know you this isn't up to scratch.However I fail to see what can be learned here.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
aahh cziffra again, u r a wonderful pianoista and indeed u cannot learn from this aged vid. It's true it's from the junk pile, but in fact most people are not at your esteemed level, and can in fact learn from it, in steps. I leave ur link so that ppl cn enjoyr superior pianistic abilities. But u seem limited to just piano playing, and perhaps that is ur religion. That's a worthy pursuit. I'm more interested in the composition structure, and doing whatever's "fun". Smile, don't frown!
musicLessons2 3 years ago
What on earth is all this nonsense about the relevance of Judeo-Christian beliefs? While nobody could dispute that Bach was greatly inspired by his religion, when did Chopin say that his music had anything to do with religious virtue? Putting words into these composer's mouths does no favours to them or to religion. The only 'smallness of character' I see here is in your ludicrious implication that religious people occupy higher musical ground than non believers.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
cziffra, ur responses tend to presume too much (or too little). But since logic by dictionary def relies upon axioms, which by dict def relies upon belief, then, that's a personal choice for u an moi. Rather, it's extremely ludicrous, as a non-composer yourself, to presume that we composers compose w/o inspiration from our Creator, and other sub-creators as an act of personal worship, and artistic concern for our fellow man. Beethoven, altho razed Catholic, couldn't w/o that xtra motive.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
Well, I'm glad to see that you've replied with a reasonable and rational answer (unlike to some earlier commenters). However, are you seriously suggesting that an atheist composer CANNOT write good music? How about Scriabin, who believed that HE was God? I respect your right to religious beliefs and your right to take inspiration from them. However, I find your comments in the description to be shockingly condescending towards countless talented musicians who believe/d in nothing at all.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
Touche! My fav composer to study was apparently an atheist, who still found meaning in the Orthodox chants: Tchaikovsky. He and I do not favor Brahms's lack of color. But what is most tragic, is despite their efforts, failed to find meaning. So yes, their music, tho great, suffers from a certain "audibly missing" element, which only we connoisseurs of the Spirit can detect more so than others who are not so "attuned".
musicLessons2 3 years ago
So you could detect this, if you played music in a blind listening test, with no idea of whether the music you were hearing at any one moment was the work of a religious composer or not? I should be most interested to see this put to the test and discover how you fare. I appreciate that from your own perspective, you may find it sad to think that a person does not believe as you do. However, I find it sad if you cannot hear music without external religious prejudices determining your impression.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
Mein freunde, this is only ur prejudice speaking. "Luke, Trust your feelings"
musicLessons2 3 years ago
My only 'prejudice' is against what you have transparently revealed as a lack of open-mindedness in your appreciation of music. This cannot go any further unless you wish to sit through a blind listening test and accurately identify whether each piece was written by a religious composer. Unless you can go ahead and do so, it is clear that you have a closed-mind to music.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
Pls re-read logic & axioms def: subjective belief rules the day, which by def requires Choice not proof--therefore so-called scientific tests won't prove anything. Still, I do this sort of thing all the time, just for fun. In my experience, I have a "batting average" of perhaps 7 or 8 out of 10--not perfect, but certainly better than 50/50. A true composer (and player) cannot help but reveal himself, his anguishes, joys, esp. to another composer. Everyone speculates, some more accurately.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
Also, perhps u r rite in the sense that no one can judge for sure w 100% accuracy, based on just the music; but I give testimony that certain ppl can in fact "have a hunch", and usually r correct upon confirmation later w external biographical facts. So what does that prove? Nothing, except that there are profound and noteable differences between composers who found spiritual meaning and those who didn't. All music "says something". It's only "propaganda" to those who disagree.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
I have a number of religious friends (or 'connoisseurs of the spirit'). No doubt they would all find something 'missing' in EVERY work of Brahms and Tchaikovsky, thanks to their enlightenment. Alternately, perhaps they would be open minded enough to appreciate a work of art once it has occured, regardless of whether it was directly inspired by God? After all, if you are religious you believe God created everything. So why should it matter whether the composer realised it came from God or not?
cziffra1980 3 years ago
This is a good question, but it cannot be answered to one who already rejects meaningfulness in life. For if u already chose that things in gen don't matter, how can it be answered that things do matter? Look up Fides et Ratio on wikipedia.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
I really don't like your reference to 'our' music (where you include your own alongside that of Chopin etc.). I do not feel that such composers would appreciate music being pigeonholed into that of religious and non-religious authors (particularly when you are suggesting that those without belief cannot attain a suitable level of inspiration). If a composer takes inspiration from religion then great, but nobody has the right to judge an atheist artist for finding inspiration outside of it.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
Atheist music critics (perhaps the majority) do have every right to criticize religious composrs 4 treating biblical subjects, using art in a Liturgical sense. (u presume 2 little). So too, do religious music critics, for doing their duty according to their teachings, to instruct ppl about the subtle diffrncs betwn atheistic & religious-minded composrs. This subj is typically Taboo, in secular conservatories, but entirely worthy as instructive material. Then ppl can Choose!
musicLessons2 3 years ago
What matters to the act of artistic creation is having ANY source of inspiration. It is of no concern what that is. Atheist composers have written superb music and religious composers have written terrible music and vice versa. Regardless of origins, after an artwork has occured it stands solely on its merit. It is of no concern to the listener whether God was responsible (unless that listener has their own religious agenda or wishes to use anything available to them as religious propaganda).
cziffra1980 3 years ago
If that b ur choice, it's urs. However, u presume too much. Nehemiah 12-13: liturgical music carries added socio-economic-lawful dimention to those who find meaning, and instruction, in it. In addition, it is undisputed fact that it has drawn billions of people over the eons, to church, not to abort or infanticide, not to give up on life, etc. Thus, art brings more than just art, for the majority, but also hope, and meaning. If u reject that, that's only ur choice.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
You put words into my mouth. I didn't 'reject' anything, except your belief that religious-inspired art is inherently superior. That's an interesting claim about abortion etc. A person could easily add that it must also have helped spread AIDS and overpopulation, although I would prefer not to go that way. If this is what a person believes in, they would do rather better to campaign for it than sit around writing music (religious or otherwise).Music should be an art, not a means of propaganda.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
Everyone utilizes "propaganda" to project their own egos & choices of beliefs, incl Lenin, PJPII & u. But the reality is, music is a means of communication, as well as an art form, as well as a tool for the State, for opposing Institutions, ideological, cultural, spiritual warfare at the highest levels. In light of this reality, which is both good & bad, one should not have so limited and constricting a view of art. Rather, just embrace reality, and use art 4 ur own ends, as u find fit.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
Do you see this evident contradiction in what you said earlier and what you say now? Earlier, music could not contain depth unless the author was religious. Now you're talking about composers writing music for the sake of promoting God? That isn't profound in any way. Who is restricted here exactly? The composer who writes ADVERTS for God, or the composer who desires nothing but to make a great work of ART!
cziffra1980 3 years ago
"desires nothing but" merely reflects ur restrictive point of view. It is not the reality for Bach, Mozart, Chopin, or even Nietzche. Lucas, does not make art only for the sake of "great Art", but to say things he feels are helpful messages to live by. So what u r saying is art that "says nothing" is inherently superior to art that "says something". That is only ur choice to believe or not--I believe it is far too constrictive, and dismissive of what actual composers & authors DO.
musicLessons2 3 years ago
No. Why do you continue to make such wild, innaccurate assumptions? YOU said it says 'nothing'. I say it can say EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. You say that above all it should promote God (which is clearly the "something" that is very much your word again, not mine). I see nothing profound or artistic in such a restricted line of music, where God must always come first.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
It is clear that ur kind statistically tends to want to suppress or discredit those who merely want to say something about their personal beliefs. That's ur rite to do so. But as u see above, this will go nowhere, only becz u've chosen a system of thot that is incompatible w the majority, who find spiritual meaning in much music. So let us kindly save ea. other wasted, fruitless time, and get back to our respective musical goals. Bon ami!
musicLessons2 3 years ago
I have no interest in 'discrediting' anything other than the ignorance with which you preclude yourself from liking non-religious composers (though, ironically, some on your religious list were far from especially religious). Whereas you are trying to discredit others (while trying to glorify yourself in an embarassingly transparent manner), I wish to discredit your extra-musical prejudices that led you to dismiss even a former favourite composer, on imagined issues of missing musical 'spirit'.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
yes, my weakness is that I say what I mean, rather than try to hide behind impenetrable veils. Ignorance is subjective: certainly atheists are ignorant of spiritual matters by choice, not by intellect. Remember, deductive logic relies upon axioms, which all are chosen or rejected, purely by belief not proof. That applies in science, to historical interpretation, to music. Hence, logic cannot operate, w/o some chosen beliefs, including the kind u operate from. No arg there. Good day!
musicLessons2 3 years ago
Also, I find spiritual meaning in a huge amount of music. Strawman arguments do not help your case. The problem is that you are unable to accept that others can appreciate art outside of religion. If you are happy in dismissing music for religious reasons then great, but do not assume that those who listen happily to music without religion being an issue take any less from doing so. It's not your beliefs that disturb me but your attitude towards those who do not share them.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
Well spoken, and 1/2 true, for u've finally verbalized the heart of what disturbs u in particular. It only errs in presuming that I think atheists can't appreciate good music, godly or not. Meanwhile, I will continue to vocalize, what disturbs me most about atheistic composers, authors, and politicians, just as u will likely continue on your path. Musically yours,
musicLessons2 3 years ago
Yes, I shall certainly continue on my path of being 'inherently handicapped at playing the pieces' of Beethoven and Chopin etc. 'expressively enough'.
No doubt you will continue in your path of putting yourself side by side with a number of great composers (who held considerably less restrictive religious beliefs than yours) and trying to convince everyone that your religious fervour makes you are a comparable composer (and superior to any atheist composer).
cziffra1980 3 years ago
No doubt. Cheers!
musicLessons2 3 years ago
why the post romantic rubato in tempo????
mahvinel 3 years ago
Hey dude thanks i can play it now on my ricital i played it.
beethoven2nd 3 years ago
I can play that piece up to the 2nd movement but it is so hard to memorise.
beethoven2nd 3 years ago
Okay..I can play this piece and im only 16..But playing it is diffrent from mastering it dude..i mean wow thats awesome!
AzureSky009 3 years ago
wow galing mo! ur the man..
gAB102558 3 years ago
How the h*ll can you play that dude :O OMG ! x) I freaked out when I first heard it :P
1992Jen 3 years ago
very good
persy777 3 years ago
nice
xterminador8 3 years ago
Thanks dude i can play it now.
filibustera 3 years ago
MusicLessons2 and sean, you are both too forceful.
thedougmeister 3 years ago 2
Wow.. hes good. my friend he's 13 and he can play this but you can play better..
markyboy357 3 years ago
You're great, but could you video it again?? Please more slowly because I can't read it!
Wania0512 3 years ago
I can play Beethoven's symphonie no 5 but only the intro that i can still play the piece is so hard.
filibustera 3 years ago
im only 11 and i can ply basic songs like wen the saints go marchin in and a couple of others but i can never ply like this dude can
blackatree 3 years ago
Nice playing! I'm not that good yet, but hopefully will be soon!
neelradhakrishnan 4 years ago
Hey ignore all those nobodies criticising,your tutorials are great.Keep it up
Tacitus87 4 years ago
Most seemingly difficult in my opinion?
Check out the Fantasy and Fugue on B-A-C-H by Liszt performed by Marc andre hamelin. Only the devil can play stuff like. And it sounds dark and demented too. Liszt surely at his most maniacal.
Great video though
SealedSage 4 years ago
Liszt was crazy, just plain crazy! LOL! What better way to study something than to take the orchestral score and squash it down to the piano! I paid a fortune for all of the Liszt transcriptions of Beethoven Symphonies. Marvelous though!
lachness11 4 years ago 5
One of the most difficult pieces in the piano repetoir? Wow i mean before i thaught pieces like the liszt sonata, ligeti etudes, prokofiev piano concerto's, rachmaninov piano concerto's, prokofiev's tocata, ravels tocata, prokofiev sonata's, Beethoven sonata's etc were, but i guess the five minute piece of transcribed music you just played sums that all up.
annabrook 4 years ago
Even if I do not understand what is going on here, I do understand that you can't go like this forever. I suggest you and your...ummm...opponents stop with this waste of time and continue with the piano demonstrations. Please.
Am looking forward to another video. Both of you.
luckyx777 4 years ago 2
Hah, "normal" christians. Most, by their own admission and security comfort zone, are tepid, just want to stay out of trouble, won't say anything. But "abnormal" Christians, like Mozart, Shakespeare, et al, come out into the open and stir up Cultural Controversy, because they love challenging others of lesser stature to become better people. Hence, you'll never understand music, because you think normalcy means tepidness.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
You're going to get jumped one day, and not by one person or a small group, but all the enemies you have created over such a small thing.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
try if you can sucker. You'll be struck down in an instant. Come hither and show your malicious intent some more. There are more of us than of you. You haven't answered my points, because you know you can't...so you resort to threats upon my life. Typical communist.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
The lesson for sean is, "Contempt breeds contempt" x100. Sean, you cannot weasel yourself out of this by saying, "enemies you created", when you started this by expressing contempt for other's "pathetic" keyboards, etc. Hence, you are a liar, irresponsible, and a worm, trying to cover-up your faults and pin the blame on a flame war you started. Many mob people are dishonest this way, and they "protect the evil-doers" by siding with the liars of the world like you.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
hey dude thanks because you help me a bit i play that piece on my recital and my piano teacher was suprised because iam only grade 3 on piano lesson i suppose play fur elise but i want to play that piece it is difficult to memorise thank again dude.
beethoven2nd 3 years ago
I'm not a coward, I'm just more mature than you in the sense that I can block you and feel done with it, putting it aside for more important things.
You have caused a flame war over this, and if you are such a true musician/biblical preacher, why don't you go back to your retarded church (no offense to other NORMAL christians that interpret christianity in the correct way), and focus on your organs. Speaking of which, I hope you lose them.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
You've made it clear what you think of the majority of the world who are judeo-christian. You believe their priests are all pedophiles. Hence, I expose your anti-semitic, anti-christian hate. You are not a person of peace, but a sower of discord. Hence you deserve a good whipping, your parents too. A minor devilish fiend you are.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Your logic is akin to, he built a building, I blew it up, and killed many innocent peopl, it is his fault, however, for building it, go blame him!
This is to-say, your logic is not logical in-the-lease.
Again, I do not threaten you, or imply anything....
~John
tomcat2222 4 years ago
...and sean did not build a building. He attempted to blow mine up, and kill many innocent people by making unrelated remarks about my lovely stack of pipe-organ-centric keyboards, and by attacking Indo-Euro-American-Judeo-Christian ethics regarding the actual nature of Sin and Virtue. This is the material that World Wars are fought over. Hence, it is only worthy that he be chastized now, before he becomes a grownup Monster suppressing our religious rights later on.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
xD, a less mature person would tell you where you can shove your biblical preaching....
Fine, as you wish me to be completely honest;
I think you are a egotistical, megalomaniac, baka who can only feel like a "real" man by threatening bodily harm to any who does not agree with your egotistical view of your self importance, dattebayo! Savy?
~John
tomcat2222 4 years ago 2
As in Mozart's letters to simpletons, I have nothing to hide of my own dark side. Realize, however, by criticizing my (admitted) egotism and immaturity, you are also criticizing a great many Composers (Mozartm, Handel, etc.) who shared very similar traits, including our combined impatience with misguided fools such as you.
It's like I put my hand on your head, and you keep swinging at me in vain, whilst I yawn. Comical actually!
musicLessons2 4 years ago
meh, sorry you have to put with a flame war on a otherwise perfectly good video. someone from sals on your side here
omgu8mynewt 4 years ago
Shut the hell up. Do you do this to everyone who has an opinion different to yours? Yes, it's a nice piano piece, I agree. So is Mozart, so is Bach. Don't cause WW3 over something so FUCKING useless.
SalsJamster 4 years ago
The right of free speech often produces useful debate. I have shown here that sean et al is anti-semitic, and it is related to music. Hence, if I force people to come out into the open with their (previously hidden) views, then I, along with Newt G and other authors, did my job in exposing the lie behind many smiling ugly faces. I don't care if it makes me look bad or immature--I just care that the liars are exposed, before they inflict WWIII onto the world yet again.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Here's an illustrative thought exercise: When sean denigrated my mere mention of the judeo-christian concept of mortal sin, he bordered on anti-semitic. Shakespeare (Hamlet), Mozart, Handel, Bach etc. also shared my same beliefs, and would also have thrown a shoe, and responded strongly at sean, as I do. Sean stated he wants me to die, so, surprisingly, he is also telling Mozart et al to die, merely because we discuss Christian sin & virtue in our music.
PianoLessons2 4 years ago
thats a very good piece of music
4/5
Lanakan767 4 years ago
Blah blah blah. Both of you, just get back to playing your music already. Sheesh.
luckyx777 4 years ago
Thanks for visitng: however, you in Hong Kong do not appreciate the deep level of debate going on here, which is important. Seans anti-semitic remarks ridiculing the concept of sin, held by over 3 billion judeo-christians, is serious, and warrants a response. Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung held similar views as sean, and it led to Genocide of anyone who believes. You probably don't understand, because you are Hong Kong.
PianoLessons2 4 years ago 2
Eh, screw you, you egotistical baka-dattebayo.
Savy?
Now that we have moved on from the idiotic rambling(s) of a three-year-old, your playing is not bad, but it isn't the best....
Frankly, I have no need to upload a video with the sole-purpose being to prove to someone else something. I consider myself better then that.... If you cannot accept that, I am sorry....
~John
tomcat2222 4 years ago
Also, greatness in composition demands a mix of both egotism of self, and humilty before God. When one of better-developed talents is assaulted by one (such as yourself and sean) of far lesser talents, it is not egotistical to make illustrative statements which show your smallness and dishonesty as fake.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Wow, musiclessons2, you're probably like 30 bothering some 14 year old kids, so seriously, get a fucking life.
1b4rr4g3j00 4 years ago
Seriously, thou, grow up, this piece is not even one of "the" hardest.... I agree with some of the others, let us see you play one of the harder pieces....
Your playing is no-where near good enough to make it professional....
To me,BEETHOVEN-LISZT Symphony No. 5 I , is one of the easiest to play.... Without disclosing my age, I have mastered this supposedly "hard" piece in under two weeks....
It truly isn't that hard.... And don't tell me I havenot played it, I have!
~John
tomcat2222 4 years ago
So, John, please post a video of you playing each movment, particularly the most difficult 4th. Also show me your credentials are higher than concert pianist Lesilie Howard, who is highly acclaimed on Liszt and Rachmaninov works, but says this is among the hardest. Me think's you are immature and un-accomplished. Na na.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
0.0, Amazing Christan you are. If I was of your faith, I would be ashamed that you are a member of the same faith as the purely hypothetical me, is!
Also, do you feel really good picking on someone less then half your age? Make you feel like a real-man?
Oh I'm sure he is quaking in his hypothetical boots in terror from you!
~John
tomcat2222 4 years ago
If being an Atheist means "Sinning", then by all means call me a sinner!
Simply because we are of a different mindset about something that is without facts to support said thing, does not mean we are "minimalistic", or "grunting line an ape"!
Anyhow, your piano playing isn't the best, but it isn't the worst, either, and yes,BEETHOVEN-LISZT Symphony No. 5 I, isn't anything nearly as challenging as you make it out to be.... Also, in some-places, your tempo should be faster!
~John
tomcat2222 4 years ago
John, I appreciate your perceptive entries here. It is much more welcome than sean's unschooled part. However, please look up the Catholic catechism on definition of Mortal Sin (vatican website). Where "sins against the spirit" (atheism) are never forgivable, whereas other sins, even murder, are. This is counter-intuitive, because it is saying that denying God exists is worst than murder, because (purportedly), it leads to mass-mass murder.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
...for example: Hitler, Lenin, Marx, Stalin autobios revealed malicious intent to mass-murder, which they actually did. Like Mongols, Timurids, they de-populated 30-millions at a time. This is different than "self-defense", which although greed later seeped into various Crusaders, (inevitably, human nature), the real impetus was defense against mass-murderers like Mongols & Timurids.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Contrast this to Christ's message: "Pray for and forgive your enemies". While I find it difficult to forgive sean his errors, I find it more enjoyable to invite him here and fight me, if he can--I'd easily beat him (maybe you) to a pulp. Yet I can still pray for you, tee hee! Whereas the great figures of atheism actually say, "kill them all". That is a HUGE difference. An attack on human dignity and rights. Hence, it deserves to be "defended against".
musicLessons2 4 years ago
You have just shown how immature you are. How can you compare yourself to a 13 year old in skill? And the funny thing is you have no bounds in stopping. Once you imsunderstand something, you launch a flurry of attacks.
IT's so funny reading your comments, because it shows the perfectionist side, of how you ALWAYS need to be right and ALWAYS need to get the bragging rights.
People like you will never succeed. Psht, "DEER LOOKIT MY KUSTOM BILT ORGIN LOL 2 KEYBOARD LOLZ" >>
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
Sean, you're a rank cynic, hence you'll never be great in music. However, I am secure in my own ID, knowing my other "early" compositions have been compared to Bach, Chopin, John Williams etc., by critics far more knowledgeable than you. So I'm OK with posting even "imperfect" material as a demo, since you don't know shit about my other stuff.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
I never declared that I was atheisist, I said I was buddhist. at least I have a true faith. Our faith is as good as yours, and if you start attacking religion, there are upper forces that aren't appreciating that.
In other words, you cannot attack my religion, because I never attacked yours.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
I never declared you were atheist, however I said "atheistic mindset". Big difference. You attacked Christianity by saying comments about sins in ridicule, which happen to be the same beliefs about sin that Mozart and Bach had. Thus, you are fundamentally handicapped about insight into any of their music, which (such as Don Giovanni), which draw on deeper concepts of Sin than you'll ever appreciate.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Actually, while I have many buddhist friends, the definition of buddhism itself states that it is atheist, as I understand it. It does not believe in any one God, but a pantheism of gods. If so, then it is not far off from the formal definition of atheism. This is not to attack buddism, but to clarify its own definition of itself.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Notice how he has all those keyboards. Does he really need them? And they are not even weighted keys.
Thus, it's like, if he were playing on a real piano, he would not be playing it at this speed or dynamics.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
hey 4-eyed geek sean, they are weighted keys on the bottom. Wouldn't have it any other way. Where's your real piano? You also play on a crappy electric. But it doesn't matter for this mere demo.
PianoLessons2 4 years ago
Seans comments are typical of atheistic-mindset: always "minimalist" and grunting like an ape. They do not see "beauty" in things, nor do they get it. It's a waste of time explaining to them, they have no reading comprehension, and always contradict both truth and themselves.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Catholic / Christian composers (Rachmaninov, Mozart, Schubert, Bach etc.) have always been closest to God, and closest to Music, emulating the Creator Himself, able to appreciate a deep love of beauty and ordered form.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
...but atheistic composers always had "something missing", like a minimalist cynical mindset, audible in their less-than sublime music. Brahms was perhaps a rare exception, but still he's nowhere near Bach, Mozart etc. in that "heavenly" quality of beauty.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Kids, this is why sean lerkvikarn will never be a great musician, since he is hostile to christianity, the birthplace and mother of the greatest music of all time. He is hostile to the beliefs of Bach, Mozart, Liszt (a priest), etc., so he will never "see" them.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
hardest piece of music? i dont think so; think of the other pieces:
winter wiind etude, liszt polonaise no.2, grand galop chromatique, dante sonata, 4th transc etude of liszt, liszt un sospiro etc. In my opinion, i can say this piece of music is hard but however NOT THAT HARD!!!!!!!!
FranzLiszt2 4 years ago 2
Interesting showing off names, but Listen carefully: I said, "one of the" not "the" hardest pieces. See Leslie Howard's own comments. Rachmaninov concertos are also very hard, but in an entirely different way.
PianoLessons2 4 years ago
Franzliszt is exactly right, we would never see anybody play Grand Galop Chromatique as fast as cziffra, so yes, it is not the hardest.
This guy probably lives in a basement playing those pathetic keyboards.
Showing off? Stop being a jerk, he's not. He's just voicing his own opinion.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
Hey stupid wimp with the turkey-face: it's not 'the' hardest, and it wasn't said as so. You're dumb reading/listening comprehension, you get an F. However, the 4th movement, with hits fast octave runs and leaps, is one area that places it "up there", not shown on this vid, idiot.
PianoLessons2 4 years ago
the guy Franzl's "opinion" is not authoritative. The Factual evidence comes from a piano authority, like concert pianist Leslie Howard, who states that most concert pianist never tackle these because they are so much harder than Rachmaninov et al.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
i can't see what you are doing :(
sporsmaal 4 years ago
Psht, yeah sure, this is "the most difficult"?
Opus Clavicembalisticum.
Chopin's heroic polonaise.
Fantasie Impromptu.
La Campanella.
Rachmaninoff's 3rd.
And those are just off the top of my head. Stop being so ignorant.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
Rachmaninov's 3rd--yes, it's tough it its own way, but in a very different way than the Liszt-Beethoven transcriptions. Fantasie Impromptu is so easy for 2nd graders. I mastered that in under 1 week in my teens. Trust me, that does not come close to the Liszt-Beethoven transcriptions...so fuck you ignoramus.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
Yeah sure, that's real mature.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
And plus, this is almost all just big chords, no stamina whatsoever.
Pieces that require stamina to actually play well, maybe like the heroic polonaise, or others, are harder.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
Listen fuckhead, you are just trying to show of your supposed knowledge of the piano. You obviously haven't played the 5th, nor read Leslie Howard's recording notes. These tax the physical endurance and dexterity more so than the chopin heroic polonaise, but no matter, you wouldn't know anyway. I've heard your playing, and it is good for a hobbyist, but not "up there" to know the difference.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
I'm going to teach you a Lesson of Love from Proverbs--I am strict with people and do not spare the rod when they err so badly. You have committed the sin of both insult and errant pre-judgement. So I need to humble you now before your kind multiplies its errors like rabbits.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh yeah, like I fucking care about your strictness? Sparing the rod, is it like you're going to hunt me down and hit me or something?
Sins, sure, whatever, I'm not christian.
And you know what you need to do? Go die. In a very terrible way.
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
Hey, wimp with scrawney, breakable arms. You wouldn't know. Go pirate music somewhere else. Your own videos seem to show proof of your pirated music on your piano. Good, you'll get caught eventually.
PianoLessons2 4 years ago
To illustrate: when you denigrate my citation of Proverbs (ancient Judaic wisdom) and christianity's concept of sin together, you make essentially an anti-semitic remark which despises both our peoples and our faiths.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
And I am perfectly attacking YOUR faith, not the vast group of Christians, for they have a correct faith and you have interpreted wrong.
You have created your own faith of pure anger and hatred, nothing close to what we should practice, being peaceful.
All religions teach people to be good and peaceful, and by saying my parents should be whipped, you will definitely burn in your so-called "hell".
seanlerkvikarn 4 years ago
Yours since the beginning was hardly peaceful, and full of hate. You deserve what you got, and more. Come here, let me whip your parents too. You'd be surprised, "true" chistianity figures (popes, Jesus, etc.) did actually whip people for being errant simpletons. That is the historic Judeo-Christian way, which should be revived. You're just a fiend who raids other's houses to waste time.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
What are you, Ghandi? You haven't read anything, so u wouldn't know. Certain religions preach violence to non-members. Judeo-Christianity, however, preaches using peace wherever possible, but also the Rod / whip where it is absolutely necessary. And it also preaches Thomas Aquinas' just war self-defense doctrine. You raid my house, you get whipped, gayboy.
musicLessons2 4 years ago
well if its so easy...lets c u post a video playin beethoven's 5th symphony =P
fubeyotch 4 years ago 3
wow nice discussion:) i dont think la campanella, Fantasy imp & heroic polonaise are hard... they are moderate. Some of etudes made by Scriabin, Liszt & Godowsky are harder.
mrozomir 4 years ago 2
do you really need all those pianos? and whats the difference?
leinadarecman 4 years ago
cool
IamPPP 4 years ago
You have nice hands for a dude, dude. Prettier than mine. I'm jealous. lol
;)
YGYGYGYGYGYGYGYGYGYG 4 years ago
yes i perfume my hands every day, and have it manicured by my servants who service my daily needs. Amazingly, they stay graceful even though playing on a Ice Hockey team and beating the living s#$t out of many foes. God must be protecting them.
arthursulit 4 years ago
Thanks for the fingering. Now I don't have to buy the music. lol
;)
YGYGYGYGYGYGYGYGYGYG 4 years ago
Yes if that's no problem for you? Can't you post it here? Bye bye!
Bella2814 4 years ago
I recorded this 10 years ago, and it taught me how to compose Symphonic material and Film scores. See my site for more...
arthursulit 4 years ago
Where can i find sheet music of this?
Bella2814 4 years ago
I found it somewhere online..I could email it to you if you really want it
warWHATisITgood4 4 years ago
wow I'm actually learning this with the sheet music and it's so flipping hard I watch this video like every other measure haha! thanks so much for putting it up!
warWHATisITgood4 4 years ago
where did you get the sheet music for that. i really want to learn it. but every single site that i check out always ends up having me pay for it.
girandpiggy1 4 years ago
I (Art Sulit who OWNS this band) got it a long long time ago in a town far far away
Downers Grove, IL
Vol 1 and Vol 2. It's worth it, or I can send u some of my neuron cells which store it.
DefChildrenAtPlay 4 years ago
that would be nice.and thanks.iv been wanting to learn that song for a long time now.
girandpiggy1 4 years ago
just google: beethoven symphonies liszt imslp
saduhora 4 years ago
...not to mention that you deviate significantly from Liszt's transcription.
BTW...not the fermatas in measures 2 and 5, you're ignoring them. Also, at the first half-cadence the high G shouldn't be repeated...it is simply held. Oh, and careful in the development section where the strings and woodwinds alternate chords in half-notes...you are playing some of them with wrong notes
What happened to the ending?
mcgill969 4 years ago
correct. let us call it, liszt beethoven for dummies. 12 years ago, without the benefit of a real piano. Thusly, those who learned something from it are satisfied, and those who didn't can show off their expertise elsewhere in a concert hall. . . just send me the front row tickets.
arthursulit 4 years ago
besides, I never follow most works exactly. I find most of that earlier period are (yawn) boring, so I insert my own notes and jazzed up offbeat rhythms to taste (since I also drum). I have little patience for "purists", because they are not working in the spirit of composers like I or the other composers did. Thusly, they purists are better off in conservatories, needed to "preserve" the way it was, whereas composers explore new ground.
arthursulit 4 years ago
. . .and they take risks, huge risks. whereas mere players only play it safe, the way things are written, following the formula. As Wagner said of Liszt. . .he plays like a monkee! (tho I disagree, Liszt is our mutual mentor).
arthursulit 4 years ago
I am not saying that I am a wonderful pianist, but it takes a lot more than a real piano, and time. There is a reason there aren't 10 Richters running around, and lots of people have the two af