@pmack169 frazier couldnt take tyson punches even my dad told me that hes probly as old as you and he likes frazier more than tyson but he admits that frazier couldnt last with tyson tyson hit to hard and was too fast
@pmack169 dude 15th round tko everything ur saying dosent matter any fan knows that tyson was to powerfull for frazier and i will keep saying that because thats all that matters
@pmack169 no but it has alot to do with how hard u hit which is my point and has been anyone who knows boxing knows frazier couldnt take punches from a guy that had great power like a tyson for example
@pmack169 exactly guys who wore leather helmets would of got their ass whooped in a game today same as ali and frazier they both are weaker than me and tyson is probly alot stronger than me but when it comes to ali or frazier i got more muscle than both of them guys they look like a flat tire compared to tyson. Tyson would of tossed frazier around like a rag doll and u know it u dont have to admit it though i know u know it even though u dont want to admit it to yourself.
@pmack169 tyson was arrested 47 times before he was 14 he was fighting grown ass men 2 at a time at age 13 now telll me joe ali foreman did that stuff
@pmack169 and i love how u keep saying tyson bites ears and sits down in his 40s dude he was the best fighter ever while kevin rooney was his trainer he was unbeatable but i think he probly whooped ur dads ass or somethin cause u hate the guy
@pmack169 dude ur a joke tyson hit almost as hard as foreman and without a doubt hit harder than frazier and ali tyson would of cleaned their division out just like he did in the late 80s
@pmack169 your entitled to your opinion but u are a fucking idiot my friend anybody who isnt biased knows tyson would kill frazier like he did his son. He cant handle a power puncher like tyson all the heart in the world wont help u just like it didnt help against foreman. and just so u know tyson was better than frazier in every way
@pmack169 well he beat the guy who gave larry holmes his first 2 losses thats a pretty big feat dumbass and u can have ur opinion but u are truly an idiot to think joe would of beat tyson look what foreman did to frazier he embaressed him tyson hit almost as hard and would of got him in the first just like he did his punk ass son.
@pmack169 tysons prime was from the start of his carrer until he fired rooney. Dude u dont have to respect tyson but know he would of knocked out joe frazier and ali in his prime.
@pmack169 regardless dude what difference do those fights make tyson was like 8 years past his prime idk why im arguuing with u u obviously dont know shit about boxing
McCall did manage to lose his WBC title to Frank Bruno. I assume he would have gotten the Tyson match if he hadn't lost.
McCall's chin is the stuff of legend. I read that he sparred 300 rounds with Tyson and was never on the deck though he managed to deck Tyson twice, no mean feat.
@pmack169 if he didnt get headbutted i think he would of won the second fight the first fight he didnt train hard for but he would of beat him the second if holyhead didnt headbutt him
You like Tyson if u want but i am just saying he isnt great ''' his first grave mistake was losing to holyfield'''' if he won i bet everyone will change their stories''' but he lost and he wasnt old at alll'''' they were both the same age
If i remember good, Mike won against Tucker whit a more point... Also, Mike (a that time 21 years age), fight and try to put ko in each moment Tucker. Don't make it, but the fight resulting much more intensive. And when the fight finish, Mike not esulting like Lewis. Was very angry whit your self becouse his ledge are destroy the opponents!. That's the different by Mike and the all others boxer, and for that reason i will prefeire Mike forever....
Damn prime Tucker beats him imho. That means, prime Tyson beats any version of Lewis. That shows how strong Tyson really was in his prime, he brushed off those Lewis caliber fighters like flies.
also tucker was winning all rounds until he broke is right wrist.. And still had a veyr close fight a 5 -7 split 1 more round 1 and it woulda been a draw..
Atleast lewis beat him better as he did with all tyson oponents which tey both fced besides bruno.
@403766 1)) Sparring so what ?anyway, who said that anyway, references please, theres no judges in
sparring.
2) Who cares about 1996, Tysons day where over cuz of inactivity and indifference
3)Sure, he whipped a shot and cocain addicted Tyson lol. Way to go.
4) How ? Tyson DESTROYED top contenders, Lewis merely win
Tyson was FEARED, was seen as a phenomenon and the successor of Ali. Ring voted him p4p fighrer in 1987. He looked indestructable. Lewis was just a moist fart, soon to be forgotten.
When was he on cocaine exactly, where did you here this?And oh yeah lewis is also way past it here.
Lol what champs did he destroy again? Brebrick, Seldon, Frank Bruno? are the only by KO. Its not exactly hard..
Ad thats just their styles that makes lewis win on points more than tyson, hes got veyr good defence. Lewis was far more ducked than tyson as ppl feared him, bowe, holyfeild and tyson alldid at 1 point.
Wtf yes it is, he was winning gold at the olympics like he said he would? Lewis came into boxing 1989 why the fuck would he get a title shot within 2 years? Its not lewis fault tyson lost to douglas or was a rapist? Its not lewis fault tyson started prime at teenager, who the fuck else reaches their peak at that age? So no lewis was not in the bloody 80s was only an amatuer then
And yep he was ppl afraid to fight him, every1 went with tyson and tyson ducked
@403766 Tyson was the most feared boxer at his prime. Lewis was respected, but not feared. Opponents were scared stiff when they entered the ring to face Tyson. Fact.
@403766 are u fuckin retarded? lewis was more feared than tyson really???????? are u serious and if lewis fought tyson before he went to jail tyson would of killed him it dosent matter if lewis beat tyson because when he did tyson was a bum thats liek saying trevor berbick is better than ali because he beat him but once again are u serious with the lewis was more feared than tyson thing?????? because if so u must ride the short bus to school
lol lewis won against tyson'''' stop excuse making\\\\ tyson lost against holyfield lol''''' stop excuse making and tyson lost against buster douglous quit your bull shit
@blackoil911 i never said those people didnt beat him retard what i am saying is that a prime tyson would of beat anyone becasue he was the best fighter ever made
@blackoil911 ur clever calling him a midget wtf that just gives him more credit because if lewis was his hieght he would of ever been shit but tyson is so great he was the best fighter ever and he was only 5 10 and that statment u made dosent even deserve a response
LMAO Tyson aint fuckin above 5'9 barely'''' if , so , that , this''' lol common kiddo we can go all day with your assumptions''''
if tyson ever won that match against holyfield maybe i wouldve respected him ... but lol he fell down like throwing a rock down a 50 foot building Bye Peace''' or wait im referring to you 2 hahahaha last message piss offf midget tyson fan
@blackoil911 they always said tyson was measured at 5 11 and a half and the anouncers always said he was more like 5 10 dumb fuck so he was 5 10 and i bet u wouldnt be callin him a midget in real life because he would beat u into the ground and he fougth holyfield past his prime but keep calling him a midget ur basicly calling him more skilled than the other boxers because he was the best fighter in the world and as u say he was only a midget
@blackoil911 lets quit the bullshit though ur mad because nobody likes lewis and u like him u think he is the best fighter in his era but the majority of people think tyson is and ur also mad because u were probly bullied by a short kid but im gonna let u in on a secret if lennox lewis went 50 and 0 nobody would like him anymore u wanna know why this is the case why nobody cares about lennox its because he is a loser alot like ur slef he is just simply a loser tyson is very cool lewis is a loser
just remember 1 thing Winners dont lose boxing matches lol Crack crack omg is that a ear ripping offf EEWWWWW you deserve to fight tyson he bite u up 2 lol
@blackoil911 like i said before ur mad because u think lewis is better than tyson but hes a loser like urself and ali lost 5 boxing matches himself dumb fuck
@blackoil911 dude tyson would of retired after the second holyfield fight if he could the only reason why he kept boxing was because he was in debt u dumb fuck and he had 3 more fights after lewis and btw from lewis to the end of his career he was 1-3 dosent that say something u dumb fuck obviously he was a bum when he fought lewis
@blackoil911 and just so u know tyson spared with lewis and holyfield in 84 lewis knew he could never beat tyson back then when tyson was devoted to boxing and holyfield knew he wouldnt have a chance in hell so little pussy ass lewis went to the amateurs even though he was a year older than tyson lol he hid in the amateurs waiting until tyson was on his downfall
@403766 i hate to tell u that he stayed in the amatuers for a very long time and came out when tyson started his downfall when rooney wasnt his trainer anymore so smd kid im right ur wrong
@403766 None ducked him, none even knows about him anymore, he is forgotten, a boring champ, who only fought hasbeens. Tyson is the only other boxer who can be mentioned in the same breath as Ali. Lewis ? lol, ask 100 people who he is, at least 50 will say "lennox who?"? Ask a billion people who Mike Tyson is, they all know.
Well thanks for showing how owned you just are lewis > tyson.
And lewis will NEVER be forgotten in the boxing world, he fought the best and im farmore interested by lewis's smart tactics than tyson koing some bum..
thats the problem tyson fans are mostyl obssesed not with boxing but only quick knockouts u dont understand good skills otherwise.
And of course tyson is more known than lewis, even in britain! But that has nothing to do with skill you moron, ask ppl in
@403766 street here what do you know about mike tyson
1)Bit som1's ear ina fight
2)Raped beauty queen+went to prison
3)Married to desiree
4)Youngest champ
5)don king promtoed
6)His extrmely thugish behaviour(from interviews and press conferences)
nothnig to do with skill, you dont need a cocky personality to be a great, tyson is marketed amazingly hes been on the news so much whilst lewis is just a nice humble guy who americans hate for beating them (in general)
@403766 See in fight how much problem lewis has of beating a dry, old over the hill Tucker. Tyson beat the 1887 version, strong, smart, slick, muscles bulging..
Lewis only fought Hasbeens..he was good at timing the right opponent at the right time, but that what about it.
@BringerOfTheTruth Lol because Tyson didn't fought sidekicks ? No, only 45 for 58 fights. Prime of Tyson for everybody ? "Holmes and Spinks". Yeah : 17 years older fat and inactive & scared men with rotten knees and not really an heavyweight... Wow... If fact, good example : Before Tucker in may 87, for his 30th fight, Tyson beat nobody.
"Tyson only fought Hasbeens..he was good at timing the right opponent at the right time, but that what about it." Works perfectly also !
lennox lewis sees himself as british. but boxers should only judged by their skills. not from where they are. ali is not loved all over the world because he is american, but he is a great person in and out of the ring.
Holyfield: 5 time champion means, he lost the the title four times. Lewis is 3 times champion, because he only lost two fights Tyson: a man being in prison because he raped a 18 year old girl is not a great man in history. It is only fair, he was only able to beat Bruno and Seldon (fix fight) and some mediocre fighters but had no chance against Holyfield or Lewis.
@bratseth2 you now whats mean boxer stay 3years in prison?? he
must gets knockout with bruno and seldon he must get knockout for you !!!! & in between 85 - 88
mike destroy holyfield & lewis in that time befor bigen lost control after spinks fight holyfield 5 time champion thats mean 4 time lost !! this (( merical )) thats mean
he had lion heart lennox great boxer but he must continuo 2 or 3 years but he stop becose he afarid start get
@bethoveenzeyad Ok we have different opinions. For you Lewis was not that great, for me Tyson was not that great. Now, that we know our points of view, it should be fine with that. I hope we can see many great fights in the future. cheers mate !!!
@bethoveenzeyad Ok we have different opinions. For you Lewis was not that great, for me Tyson was not that great. Now, that we know our points of view, it should be fine with that. I hope we can see many great fights in the future. cheers mate !!!
@bethoveenzeyad Great choice. My top 10 is1.the greatest 2. brown bomber 3. brockton blockbuster 4. big george 5. galveston giant 6. the lion 7. big bear sonny 8. iron mike 9. big daddy 10. dr. ironfist
foreman: you mean the lucky punch victory over moorer, followed by scandalous fights like that one against Axel Schulz ? Holmes: you are right he was a great champion and often underrated by so called experts. Ali: even if he is my alltime hero in boxing, he should have stopped boxing after Frazier 3. His third title was a victory of an ill man against a real under average boxer. sad ali was so washed up he lost the first spinks fight.
Nothing lucky about Foreman vs Moorer. Teddy Atlas knew that Foreman could beat Moorer mentally, it's in his biography. Emmanuel Steward said at the time, he would have had Moorer avoid Foreman.
but you know lewis started is professional career, when he was 23 not like tyson and ali who were 18, joe louis was 20. All 24 fights from Holmes, when he was over 40, were as useful as a hole in the head.
lewis had only 43 fights, because is so clever and had no money problems like so many stupid boxers. There was no need for pointless fights against weak opponents.
Yes... That means fuck all he bat some bums to get the championship, and was getting his ass whooped by buster doulgas without doulgas mum dying until inthe 10th doulgas ran out of energy.
And by the way tuckers record was 49 - 1, that one loss coming from tyson fo course which there is no shame in he hadnt been defeated bfore or since. And anyway tucker only started to loose to tysonthe second he broke hsi hand in 4th winning all rounds til then so get of lewis vids hater
I agree he was in 87, but that in no way means he would kill lewis
Tucker is 6 years older than lewis? Thats less than 10 mate
Tyson NEVER EVER asked doulgas for a rematch so that is inncorrect
43 if enough fucking fights that has nothing to do with it, why would a washed up lewis want to keep fighting he was never broke unlike holyfeild and tyson who had don kign taking their money he doesnt need to ruin his record fighting for money
@mmcneil777 Larry Holmes did the same thing before Lewis. Most people who claim to be boxing fans are not real fans. All they want to see is Knockouts. That's not how boxing goes alot of the time. It's the reason why so many people liked Tyson, and why he was such a huge draw. But that doesn't make those Tyson fans boxing fans. They're not. They want every heavyweight to fight like Tyson. Lewis is a smart technical fighter. All he cares about is winning not knocking people out.
@fadethetrade Tucker went the distance with Tyson. Lewis beat Tucker by a much wider margin. Lewis beat every top fighter in the division. Tyson's opponents were no where near the same caliber as Lewis' opponents. Tucker was the best fighter Tyson beat. After Thomas, Ruddock, and Smith it drops to Berbeck and then drops to the bottom of the barrell. Lewis destroyed Ruddock. Tyson got a BS early stoppage (he didn't even knock him down) in the 1st and went the distance in the 2nd.
@BrettSky07 I understand your assessment,,I agree to a point,however,tyson wasnt a great fighter,he was a fighter who fought great! Tyson in early 1988 gave Oliver the bull mccall sucn a beating in a sparring session and threw a 5 punch combination to his midsection and mccall was wearing body protector and Mccall quit and left the ring tyson was beating the hell out of him.Mccall ko'd Lewis,mccall,had he not have a mental breakdown,might have been able to beat lewiS AGAIN.
@fadethetrade The stoppage of the McCall fight was BS. He was barely hurt, his eyes are clear, he was up right away, you could see he was OK to continue. He has been knocked down got up and won many fights. McCall got in a lucky punch and the fight was stopped by a ref on King's payroll. King had alot of ref's and judges paid off. Somwtimes just by offering a position at a future title fight. Lewis looked much worse in the Rahman fight and the ref JUMPED ON TOP OF HIM WHEN HE TRIED TO GET UP.
@BrettSky07 He didnt belong on the canvas in the first place and what happened with rahman first fight,the elevation???? CMON,stop making excuses,every time lewis got hit,he wiggled,not a good formula for success against a hungry prime blinding speed iron chinned tyson of 22 yrs old!
@fadethetrade The sad truth of it all is we never got to see Tyson fight anyone with a great pedigree until it was to late for him. I'm saying he was overrated because most of his "great" KO's were against lesser opponents who didn't have a real chance against him. If Cus would have been with us longer he probably would have but once he was gone and King took over Tyson never faced any real threats. If he had fought Holyfield sooner he probably would have won. Lewis A game beats Tyson A game
@fadethetrade The sad truth of it all is we never got to see Tyson fight anyone with a great pedigree until it was to late for him. I'm saying he was overrated because most of his "great" KO's were against lesser opponents who didn't have a real chance against him. If Cus would have been with us longer he probably would have but once he was gone and King took over Tyson never faced any real threats. If he had fought Holyfield sooner I think would have won. But Lewis A game beats Tyson A game
@BrettSky07 I've always maintained that spinks was the demise for tyson!!! Instead of tyson needing the test at that point in his career,he faced a guy who an aging holmes beat already 4 yrs earlier. The fight I wanted to see for tyson was tyson/holyfield in 1988.true,evander just became a heavyweight but he always talked about tyson that he already sparred with mike in 1984 and he had the heart to "get that respect" as holyfield kept claiming in 88 ,89,90 etc. Tyson kos holy in 88 in 6 or less
@BrettSky07 tyson vs lewis,i lean towards tyson A which is early 1988 against lewis A which was against tyson in 02! The lewis wiggle when hit bothers me in picking him over a classic hungry actively fighting every 2 to 3 month tyson with rooney in his corner.I guarantee you they would prepare tyson for the worst against a lewis of 2002 and they would put a strategy to nullify lewis strength which would be to slip the jab,the right hand woudnt land that much on the slick prime tyson.
@BrettSky07 People have to stop visualizing the douglas/tyson fight because tyson of early 1988 would have taken that douglas out in or less.Douglas,as great as he fought for his mortal mother,would get combinationed to death by the classic tyson ,as holyfield did to douglas in their fight.It would be akin to the holy win over douglas.Rooney stated in an intervie,he would have had tyson take out douglas in the early middle rounds 3,4, or 5. That was tysons chance,douglas rested in those rounds
@BrettSky07 Douglas was a class B fighter.He was overrated .He has such a predictable stance with the left foot way out in front of him while he pumps the jab and the right hand.Tyson of early 88 would ko douglas in 5 rounds.Ruddock had a tendancy to "dip down to the left" before launching his uppercut smash but lewis was ready for that dip and took advantage of it real quick!He trained to look for that dip.I know and he knew! Ruddock got put down in most of his wins against better opponents.
@BrettSky07 So,the problem was that he got hit too hard with lewis after doing that ridiculous dip down to the left.This usually exposed him against TALLER OPPONENTS e.g.Bonecrusher knocked him down with the same punch!! The problem was that ruddock couldnt recover in time becuase he always proved he fought at a higher level after getting knocked down but lewis wouldnt let him have another chance.Had he had another chance,lewis could have lost and been ko'd brutally against ruddock.
@BrettSky07 I never give too much credence to fighters who put other fighters away too quickly as rahman showed with lewis that maybe that punch was alucky shot. I would have loved to seen a fight with ruddock and lewis BEFORE tyson took every inch of fight out of ruddock.ruddock was dead meat after tyson nearly killed him,!
@fadethetrade THAT'S THE BIGGEST PILE OF BULLSHIT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH YET. LEWIS knocked out Ruddock because TYSON beat him up. That's the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard. GET A GRIP The only thing that knocked out Ruddock was Lewis's right hand and Lewis's left Hand TYSON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
@BrettSky07 Well put! Ruddock came into that fight looking BETTER than he did against Tyson, he was huge and ripped and ready to take Lewis' head off!
@BrettSky07 its not so stupid you dont know nothing about pro boxing if you dont know that majority boxers are more dangerous until he loss first time .
@BrettSky07 never forget that in late 1990,holyfield and Foreman BOTH DECLINED TO FIGHT RUDDOCK.In other words,they DUCKED HIM!!!! I have the article proving it. But a diminished empty tyson still took that fight and took 18 rounds of left uppercut smashes.ANyone who questions a MENTALLY prepared tysons heart,is an idiot and should take up bowling as a sport!!!!!!
@fadethetrade Last post Lewis's handlers were way to cautious the first few years after he turned pro. Lennox trusted them to do what they thought was best for him. But he should have een fighting better opposition right away. Bowe was considered one of the best and he had already beaten him. But after he took control for himself LEWIS FOUGHT EVERYBODY AT THE TOP OF THE DIVISION FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER. TYSON DUCKED EVERYONE AT THE TOP OF THE DIVISION UNTIL THE END OF HIS CAREER. To late then
@BrettSky07 The top of the division was the worst in modern history.Lewis chinwas my problem.It was below average and this is not a good formula for success in rating him in the top 3.I just cant do it because of his chin.Tyson was the opposite of lewis.TYson as a perpetual motion fighting machine was in his best ability when he trained and fought every 2 to 3 months at th damato camp and became empty early.he wasnt a great fighter,he only "fought great" Lewis peaked like holmes in their 30's
@BrettSky07 His chin was his demise.Why do you think his handlers safeguarded him so long.Tyson won the title 1 yr after he turned pro,lewis needed 6 yrs!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
@fadethetrade Who's chin was who's demise? Lewis retired as the undisputed heavyweight champ. Yes he should have fought both Klitchko's and didn't, but he wasn't even ready for Vitali, after training for Kirk Johnson, and still found a way to win. That's what made him great. If they fought again with Lewis training for Vitali's straight ahead style Klitchko would not have done nearly as well. Lewis also showed a better chin in the fight against Vitali taking several shots I didn't think he could
@BrettSky07 And lewis not only got ko'd in his PRIME by two tomato cans,he also lost that decision to Ray Mercer and grandpa holmes beat the same mercer!!!!!!!!!
@fadethetrade PLEASE STOP WITH THE EXCUSES FOR LEWIS'S OPPONENTS AND FOR TYSON'S LOSING. TYSON WAS IN GREAT SHAPE FOR THE LEWIS FIGHT. LEWIS DID NOT WANT TO KO TYSON EARLY. HE WANTED TO PUNISH HIM FOR RUNNING AND ALLOWING KING TO KEEP LEWIS OUT OF THE TITLE PICTURE FOR 10 YEARS, HE DIDN'T JUST WANT TO BEAT TYSON HE WANTED TO DESTROY HIM. He paid for it too. He injured his right hand in the fight and coasted with his jab until he acclamated to the pain and started to throw again in a few rounds
@fadethetrade Ah no he won the decision against Mercer. Mercer was another guy Tyson wouldn't fight. Mercer had way to good a chin for the chicken Tyson. Yeah Tyson fought so "great" Right up until he started fighting top contenders and champs. All of a sudden the 1st and 2nd round KO's STOPPED and he was going 6 to 12 rounds. You do nothing but make excuses for Lewis's opponents and Tyson's losing. TYSON WAS IN FINE SHAPE FOR THEIR FIGHT. Nobody could take that punishment without being in shape
@fadethetrade He still could not KO Tucker or Smith. He couldn't even KO Mitch Green or James Tillis for F___ sakes. And you still think he would have KO'd Lewis. Tyson can throw whatever he wanted to, but when Lewis is out of reach or has him all tied up and leaning on him, which are the only two things that would happen. Everytime Tyson tried to lunge in with his head down he would be met with an uppercut from Lewis just like Tucker did. Lewis hit alot harder than Tucker. Just ask Tyson
Tucker fought Tyson in the 1987 Tyson fought Lewis in 2002 when he was totally washed up and smoking marijuana instead of training for fights.
Based on your argument both Kevin McBride and Danny Williams must legendary punchers and not club-fighters who beat an out of prime drug-addled Tyson, as they did it much quicker than Lennox THE BUM Lewis
@BrettSky07 tyson decapitated adetermined holmes.Holmes was determined to beat tyson that night,as sugar ray leonard at ringside stated.Holmes fought the perfect self preservasion style fight but tyson was soo good that night,holmes said he couldnt hit him,his slipping was too good and his power was like getting hit with a speeding ferrari. I have my reservasions on how a prime lewis would handle a 4 punch combinations by a prime peaking deadly active perpetual motion tyson of early 1988.
@fadethetrade Holmes was way to old and slow. Lewis was very mobile very smart and alot faster than most people realize. Lewis was better than Tucker and Seldon whom Tyson did not KO. Tyson could not KO bigger mobile heavy handed fighters. If he couldn't walk through the punches of guys like Thomas and Biggs or have an immobile target to hit like Berbeck he would get frustrated and wasn't nearly as effective. If he was getting pushed back ward he couldn't do anything.
@BrettSky07 You can say anything you want about lewis,1 fact remains,his chin WAS below avererage.He only learned to "ride punches well" as emanual steward taught him but again,I have reservasions about the fact that lewis could EASILY be ko'd by subpar fighters not known for their power.Not a good formula for success against a hungry 22yr old blinding speed assassin like tyson.Tyson was so active fighting every 3 months,practicing the defense first/offense posture and lewis did nothing with Tua
@fadethetrade I agree Lewis didn't have a good chin. I've never argued that. Like I said he got knocked down by a few guys. But He also got up and beat them all. It's very easy to see the McCall fight should have continued. Just like the 1st Tyson Ruddock fight should have. Tyson would probably have Ko'd him after But D K owned the ref. Everytime Lewis was knocked down by one of King's fighters (OM,HR) the fight was stopped. Everytime Lewis was knocked down by non DK fighters he go up and won.
@BrettSky07 Tony Tucker was addicted to cocaine and had previously retired for 3 yrs and got overweight and out of shape due to his drug addiction.
Only a fool would compare the Tony Tucker that Tyson faced to this BUM in 1993, Even John Ruiz ko'd the washed up, post-drug addiction Tony Tucker, says it all!
Heavyweight boxer Tony Tucker, who scored a first-round victory at the Forum in Inglewood, Calif. on Monday night, tested positive for marijuana in his postfight drug test, the State Athletic Commission said yesterday.
Tucker, the IBF champion until Mike Tyson defeated him in 1987, stopped Lionel Washington in 1 minute, 11 seconds. Tucker, 32, had a series of cocaine abuse problems in recent years
Hey, Brickthrowa - Lewis won this 12 round decision over Tucker. He never fought him again, and never "knocked the fuck out of Tucker." Not twice, and not even once. Check your facts before posting idiotic statements.
@BrettSky07 OK, OK... I admit my typo. BUT, I must point out that TYSON only fought Tucker ONCE, not twice. AND, never "knocked the fuck out of" him. It was a 12 round decision with no knockdowns. Just sayin'...
@bethoveenzeyad This was a classic protect the champion fight. Tucker isn't offered the fight until the fight is maybe 3 weeks out, he is offered the fight knowing he can't be ready and is out of shape. Tucker may have asked for more time I am sure he was told to take the shot now or you will never have another opportunity. These are classic promoter tactics protecting the house fighter and they get the benefit of using Tuckers name as a credible opponent.
MrHectorAnderson ur a fuckin retarded stank-ass beaner, lennox raped tucker, u have no idea what ur talking about. when u get off ur shift at McDonalds, go rob a browns chicken, suck a dick, and stuff a burrito up ur ass u faggot spixican, u dont know shit about boxing, lennox lewis is one of the best ever
@redmeth07 Biggs never really turned into a PRO fighter. He was a great amatuer but he never changed after he went pro. His punches just got there. His punches were aimed at the front of the other guy not the back. in other words he punched TO his opponent instead of punching THROUGH his opponent.
tucker was finished here at 35 and having taken two years out ali holmes louis frazier foreman tyson lewis klitschkos norton top ten boxers ever no holyfield nuthuggers please
tyson, yes. holyfield, i dont think so he was good but not top ten. bowe, maybe but he fell off the bandwaggon quite quickly and wasnt as devastating as tyson. mercer, definatly not. he was tough but lacked consistancy and was never overwhelming. tyson could have been the best had he not fired his trainer in 88 and slowly went insane after that
ye holyfield had silky skills but as he got on his footwork wasnt as good(he was cruiserweight not light heavy) look at him against buster douglas and watch the lewis fight. footwork is different. he got a little lazy. but ye crazy skills.
@TWYI So what what was the $4 million Tyson paid Lewis for???? And why did he give up the WBC belt???? Which was awarded to Lewis. The WBC couldn't find ANYONE in the top ten that would agree to fight Lewis for the vacated belt. So they just gave it to him.
@pmack169 Frazier couldn't fight going backwards either.
tlig 2 months ago
Lewis earned a shedload of money for this fight (something like $9m) and wouldn't come close to earning that much again until he faced Holyfield.
tlig 2 months ago
lewis knocked out a lot of top boxers but also let a few crap ones go the distance.
nahim55 2 months ago
@pmack169 i never said they were u dumb fuck but they mean hes stronger and can hit harder too hard for frazier
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 frazier couldnt take tyson punches even my dad told me that hes probly as old as you and he likes frazier more than tyson but he admits that frazier couldnt last with tyson tyson hit to hard and was too fast
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 tysons power> fraziers chin
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 Imean any tyson in the 90s
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 keep talking about stuff that dosent matter even a tyson in the 90s would of beat frazier
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 dude 15th round tko everything ur saying dosent matter any fan knows that tyson was to powerfull for frazier and i will keep saying that because thats all that matters
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 no but it has alot to do with how hard u hit which is my point and has been anyone who knows boxing knows frazier couldnt take punches from a guy that had great power like a tyson for example
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 exactly guys who wore leather helmets would of got their ass whooped in a game today same as ali and frazier they both are weaker than me and tyson is probly alot stronger than me but when it comes to ali or frazier i got more muscle than both of them guys they look like a flat tire compared to tyson. Tyson would of tossed frazier around like a rag doll and u know it u dont have to admit it though i know u know it even though u dont want to admit it to yourself.
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 tyson was arrested 47 times before he was 14 he was fighting grown ass men 2 at a time at age 13 now telll me joe ali foreman did that stuff
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 and i love how u keep saying tyson bites ears and sits down in his 40s dude he was the best fighter ever while kevin rooney was his trainer he was unbeatable but i think he probly whooped ur dads ass or somethin cause u hate the guy
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 dude ur a joke tyson hit almost as hard as foreman and without a doubt hit harder than frazier and ali tyson would of cleaned their division out just like he did in the late 80s
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 your entitled to your opinion but u are a fucking idiot my friend anybody who isnt biased knows tyson would kill frazier like he did his son. He cant handle a power puncher like tyson all the heart in the world wont help u just like it didnt help against foreman. and just so u know tyson was better than frazier in every way
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 except tyson is better in every way faster stronger hits harder hes alot harder to git throws better combinations yea sounds like a clone
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 well he beat the guy who gave larry holmes his first 2 losses thats a pretty big feat dumbass and u can have ur opinion but u are truly an idiot to think joe would of beat tyson look what foreman did to frazier he embaressed him tyson hit almost as hard and would of got him in the first just like he did his punk ass son.
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 tysons prime was from the start of his carrer until he fired rooney. Dude u dont have to respect tyson but know he would of knocked out joe frazier and ali in his prime.
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 regardless dude what difference do those fights make tyson was like 8 years past his prime idk why im arguuing with u u obviously dont know shit about boxing
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169
McCall did manage to lose his WBC title to Frank Bruno. I assume he would have gotten the Tyson match if he hadn't lost.
McCall's chin is the stuff of legend. I read that he sparred 300 rounds with Tyson and was never on the deck though he managed to deck Tyson twice, no mean feat.
BruceinFalkirk 3 months ago
@pmack169 if he didnt get headbutted i think he would of won the second fight the first fight he didnt train hard for but he would of beat him the second if holyhead didnt headbutt him
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 u mean head butt him above his eye right?
bill23138 3 months ago
@pmack169 if you think lewis was better than tyson in the 80s or early 90s why wasnt he the champion?
bill23138 3 months ago
tony tucker was a good boxer! all 12 rounds vs lennox and tyson! not bad
FunkeART 5 months ago
@FunkeART he didnt go 12 against tyson dude he got knocked out in the second. He went 12 against lewis a good fighter
bill23138 3 months ago
@bill23138
Afraid not. Tony Tucker, as IBF holder, lost on points to Mike Tyson, who held the WBC and WBA titles going into the match.
You might be thinking of Trevor Berbick, who lost to Mike Tyson in 2 rounds.
Tyson vs Tucker is on youtube.
BruceinFalkirk 3 months ago
@BruceinFalkirk no i was thinkin of tony tubbs
bill23138 3 months ago
@bill23138
In 1988. Got the match on tape.
Tyson was the first man to stop Tubbs.
The first man to stop Tony Tucker was Bruce Seldon in 1995.
BruceinFalkirk 3 months ago
@BruceinFalkirk and Seldon last few secs against Tyson
VicRattlehead72 1 month ago
@VicRattlehead72 - I know that.
BruceinFalkirk 1 month ago
video has nothing to do with tyson....looks like lewis and tucker in the ring to me,,,,just saying
tblacc11 7 months ago 6
@tblacc11 I agree with you..although I must say Tyson would have killed Frazier.
tlig 2 months ago
I AM officially Done'' Bill'''
You like Tyson if u want but i am just saying he isnt great ''' his first grave mistake was losing to holyfield'''' if he won i bet everyone will change their stories''' but he lost and he wasnt old at alll'''' they were both the same age
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 wrong. Tyson was 30. Holifield was 34. What's with all the """"""""""""??? Are you simple?
mike649fox 6 months ago
If i remember good, Mike won against Tucker whit a more point... Also, Mike (a that time 21 years age), fight and try to put ko in each moment Tucker. Don't make it, but the fight resulting much more intensive. And when the fight finish, Mike not esulting like Lewis. Was very angry whit your self becouse his ledge are destroy the opponents!. That's the different by Mike and the all others boxer, and for that reason i will prefeire Mike forever....
BRUCEFOREVER1 9 months ago
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capablemachine 10 months ago
Tyson was over paid...over sexed and mentally unbalanced......he went down hill.
He had the potential to beat Lewis....had he kept his focus and not gotten rid of Rooney.
hotwelder2010 1 year ago
Damn prime Tucker beats him imho. That means, prime Tyson beats any version of Lewis. That shows how strong Tyson really was in his prime, he brushed off those Lewis caliber fighters like flies.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth 1)Lewis wins 3 outta 4 rounds sparring with tyson until tyson quit in the 80's! about 10 years close to tysons prime than lewis's
2) 1996 Tyson gave up his WBC belt to lewis so he didnt have to fight him,
and lewis sued his management for $4million cuz lewis was a mandatory defence, holyfield said"he took me as an easier fight"
3)They finally meet and lewis whipps him with an injured hand
4)Lewis's opponents were far better than tysons offically
403766 1 year ago
@403766
also tucker was winning all rounds until he broke is right wrist.. And still had a veyr close fight a 5 -7 split 1 more round 1 and it woulda been a draw..
Atleast lewis beat him better as he did with all tyson oponents which tey both fced besides bruno.
403766 1 year ago
@403766 1)) Sparring so what ?anyway, who said that anyway, references please, theres no judges in
sparring.
2) Who cares about 1996, Tysons day where over cuz of inactivity and indifference
3)Sure, he whipped a shot and cocain addicted Tyson lol. Way to go.
4) How ? Tyson DESTROYED top contenders, Lewis merely win
Tyson was FEARED, was seen as a phenomenon and the successor of Ali. Ring voted him p4p fighrer in 1987. He looked indestructable. Lewis was just a moist fart, soon to be forgotten.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
When was he on cocaine exactly, where did you here this?And oh yeah lewis is also way past it here.
Lol what champs did he destroy again? Brebrick, Seldon, Frank Bruno? are the only by KO. Its not exactly hard..
Ad thats just their styles that makes lewis win on points more than tyson, hes got veyr good defence. Lewis was far more ducked than tyson as ppl feared him, bowe, holyfeild and tyson alldid at 1 point.
and tyson puled outa hoylfeild fihgt + foreman
403766 1 year ago
@403766 Oh Yea Tyson was always partying hard in between fights, and new trained really hard after he got out of prison.
IF Lewis was so good why didnt he fight Tyson in the 80ties ? He is older than Tyson so no excuse. And no Lewis was not "feared" lol are u crazy.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
Wtf yes it is, he was winning gold at the olympics like he said he would? Lewis came into boxing 1989 why the fuck would he get a title shot within 2 years? Its not lewis fault tyson lost to douglas or was a rapist? Its not lewis fault tyson started prime at teenager, who the fuck else reaches their peak at that age? So no lewis was not in the bloody 80s was only an amatuer then
And yep he was ppl afraid to fight him, every1 went with tyson and tyson ducked
403766 1 year ago
@403766
lewis was far more feared than tyson
this arguement is over its just me giving facts and you making your opinion..
403766 1 year ago
@403766 Tyson was the most feared boxer at his prime. Lewis was respected, but not feared. Opponents were scared stiff when they entered the ring to face Tyson. Fact.
TheBestBoxingGame 8 months ago
@403766 are u fuckin retarded? lewis was more feared than tyson really???????? are u serious and if lewis fought tyson before he went to jail tyson would of killed him it dosent matter if lewis beat tyson because when he did tyson was a bum thats liek saying trevor berbick is better than ali because he beat him but once again are u serious with the lewis was more feared than tyson thing?????? because if so u must ride the short bus to school
bill23138 8 months ago
@bill23138
lol lewis won against tyson'''' stop excuse making\\\\ tyson lost against holyfield lol''''' stop excuse making and tyson lost against buster douglous quit your bull shit
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 i never said those people didnt beat him retard what i am saying is that a prime tyson would of beat anyone becasue he was the best fighter ever made
bill23138 7 months ago
@bill23138
mike tyson the midget that bit holyfields ears off cuz he wasnt strong enuff.... oh the 10 inch each of tyson against the maniac busta????
Tyson was good but not the best''' Lewis and holyfield are the kings of this game
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 ur clever calling him a midget wtf that just gives him more credit because if lewis was his hieght he would of ever been shit but tyson is so great he was the best fighter ever and he was only 5 10 and that statment u made dosent even deserve a response
bill23138 7 months ago
@bill23138
LMAO Tyson aint fuckin above 5'9 barely'''' if , so , that , this''' lol common kiddo we can go all day with your assumptions''''
if tyson ever won that match against holyfield maybe i wouldve respected him ... but lol he fell down like throwing a rock down a 50 foot building Bye Peace''' or wait im referring to you 2 hahahaha last message piss offf midget tyson fan
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 they always said tyson was measured at 5 11 and a half and the anouncers always said he was more like 5 10 dumb fuck so he was 5 10 and i bet u wouldnt be callin him a midget in real life because he would beat u into the ground and he fougth holyfield past his prime but keep calling him a midget ur basicly calling him more skilled than the other boxers because he was the best fighter in the world and as u say he was only a midget
bill23138 7 months ago
@blackoil911 lets quit the bullshit though ur mad because nobody likes lewis and u like him u think he is the best fighter in his era but the majority of people think tyson is and ur also mad because u were probly bullied by a short kid but im gonna let u in on a secret if lennox lewis went 50 and 0 nobody would like him anymore u wanna know why this is the case why nobody cares about lennox its because he is a loser alot like ur slef he is just simply a loser tyson is very cool lewis is a loser
bill23138 7 months ago
@bill23138
just remember 1 thing Winners dont lose boxing matches lol Crack crack omg is that a ear ripping offf EEWWWWW you deserve to fight tyson he bite u up 2 lol
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 like i said before ur mad because u think lewis is better than tyson but hes a loser like urself and ali lost 5 boxing matches himself dumb fuck
bill23138 7 months ago
@bill23138 Tyson retired as soon as he got HIS LITTLE BUM !!! kicked by lewis HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 dude tyson would of retired after the second holyfield fight if he could the only reason why he kept boxing was because he was in debt u dumb fuck and he had 3 more fights after lewis and btw from lewis to the end of his career he was 1-3 dosent that say something u dumb fuck obviously he was a bum when he fought lewis
bill23138 7 months ago
@blackoil911 and just so u know tyson spared with lewis and holyfield in 84 lewis knew he could never beat tyson back then when tyson was devoted to boxing and holyfield knew he wouldnt have a chance in hell so little pussy ass lewis went to the amateurs even though he was a year older than tyson lol he hid in the amateurs waiting until tyson was on his downfall
bill23138 7 months ago
@bill23138
Is that why Tyson bit Holyfield's EARS off cuz he sucked so bad lol
blackoil911 7 months ago
@blackoil911 why are u changin the subject?
bill23138 7 months ago
@bill23138
I hate to tell you but their timeline careers show that that is not at all true.
403766 6 months ago
@403766 i hate to tell u that he stayed in the amatuers for a very long time and came out when tyson started his downfall when rooney wasnt his trainer anymore so smd kid im right ur wrong
bill23138 6 months ago
@403766 None ducked him, none even knows about him anymore, he is forgotten, a boring champ, who only fought hasbeens. Tyson is the only other boxer who can be mentioned in the same breath as Ali. Lewis ? lol, ask 100 people who he is, at least 50 will say "lennox who?"? Ask a billion people who Mike Tyson is, they all know.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
Well thanks for showing how owned you just are lewis > tyson.
And lewis will NEVER be forgotten in the boxing world, he fought the best and im farmore interested by lewis's smart tactics than tyson koing some bum..
thats the problem tyson fans are mostyl obssesed not with boxing but only quick knockouts u dont understand good skills otherwise.
And of course tyson is more known than lewis, even in britain! But that has nothing to do with skill you moron, ask ppl in
403766 1 year ago
@403766 street here what do you know about mike tyson
1)Bit som1's ear ina fight
2)Raped beauty queen+went to prison
3)Married to desiree
4)Youngest champ
5)don king promtoed
6)His extrmely thugish behaviour(from interviews and press conferences)
nothnig to do with skill, you dont need a cocky personality to be a great, tyson is marketed amazingly hes been on the news so much whilst lewis is just a nice humble guy who americans hate for beating them (in general)
403766 1 year ago
@403766 See in fight how much problem lewis has of beating a dry, old over the hill Tucker. Tyson beat the 1887 version, strong, smart, slick, muscles bulging..
Lewis only fought Hasbeens..he was good at timing the right opponent at the right time, but that what about it.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
Was Tucker not mandatory challenger for this fight?
BruceinFalkirk 1 year ago
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capablemachine 10 months ago
@capablemachine
I thought Lewis was awarded the belt and this was the first defence.
BruceinFalkirk 10 months ago
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capablemachine 10 months ago
@capablemachine
I believe Ken Norton was awarded the WBC belt when Leon Spinks fought Ali instead of him. The only other time I think this has happened.
BruceinFalkirk 10 months ago
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capablemachine 10 months ago
@BringerOfTheTruth Lol because Tyson didn't fought sidekicks ? No, only 45 for 58 fights. Prime of Tyson for everybody ? "Holmes and Spinks". Yeah : 17 years older fat and inactive & scared men with rotten knees and not really an heavyweight... Wow... If fact, good example : Before Tucker in may 87, for his 30th fight, Tyson beat nobody.
"Tyson only fought Hasbeens..he was good at timing the right opponent at the right time, but that what about it." Works perfectly also !
regismo 8 months ago
lennox lewis sees himself as british. but boxers should only judged by their skills. not from where they are. ali is not loved all over the world because he is american, but he is a great person in and out of the ring.
bratseth2 1 year ago
Holyfield: 5 time champion means, he lost the the title four times. Lewis is 3 times champion, because he only lost two fights Tyson: a man being in prison because he raped a 18 year old girl is not a great man in history. It is only fair, he was only able to beat Bruno and Seldon (fix fight) and some mediocre fighters but had no chance against Holyfield or Lewis.
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bratseth2 you now whats mean boxer stay 3years in prison?? he
must gets knockout with bruno and seldon he must get knockout for you !!!! & in between 85 - 88
mike destroy holyfield & lewis in that time befor bigen lost control after spinks fight holyfield 5 time champion thats mean 4 time lost !! this (( merical )) thats mean
he had lion heart lennox great boxer but he must continuo 2 or 3 years but he stop becose he afarid start get
loose , 43 fights very littel
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad Ok we have different opinions. For you Lewis was not that great, for me Tyson was not that great. Now, that we know our points of view, it should be fine with that. I hope we can see many great fights in the future. cheers mate !!!
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad Ok we have different opinions. For you Lewis was not that great, for me Tyson was not that great. Now, that we know our points of view, it should be fine with that. I hope we can see many great fights in the future. cheers mate !!!
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bratseth2
no ididnt toke like that never ever
for me top 5 ever 1 ali 2 joue lewis 3 marceyano 4 larry holmes 5 forman
this top 5 for me im only love mike thats it
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad Great choice. My top 10 is1.the greatest 2. brown bomber 3. brockton blockbuster 4. big george 5. galveston giant 6. the lion 7. big bear sonny 8. iron mike 9. big daddy 10. dr. ironfist
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bratseth2
i want ask this
lewis frome where ??? englan ???? or canda ??? or jamaica or india ??? or pakistan ???or.....
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
foreman: you mean the lucky punch victory over moorer, followed by scandalous fights like that one against Axel Schulz ? Holmes: you are right he was a great champion and often underrated by so called experts. Ali: even if he is my alltime hero in boxing, he should have stopped boxing after Frazier 3. His third title was a victory of an ill man against a real under average boxer. sad ali was so washed up he lost the first spinks fight.
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bratseth2
Nothing lucky about Foreman vs Moorer. Teddy Atlas knew that Foreman could beat Moorer mentally, it's in his biography. Emmanuel Steward said at the time, he would have had Moorer avoid Foreman.
BruceinFalkirk 1 year ago
but you know lewis started is professional career, when he was 23 not like tyson and ali who were 18, joe louis was 20. All 24 fights from Holmes, when he was over 40, were as useful as a hole in the head.
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bratseth2
and dont forget forman becom champion of the world at 44 years old
and holmes was champion between 29 - (( 36 )) years old
and ali second time when he becom champoin he was up 33 years old and third 35
holyfield becom champion ( 5 time ) 5 time man last 2 time he was up 38 years old and 41
years old !!!!!! , mike tyson went to the jail 3 years in 1992 after that he becom champion ( again ) in
1995 wba & wbc
that was great mans in histore and great crareer
lennox not like him
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
lewis had only 43 fights, because is so clever and had no money problems like so many stupid boxers. There was no need for pointless fights against weak opponents.
bratseth2 1 year ago
@bratseth2
realy stupid boxer like ali & joue lewis & liston & holmes
all that boxer up 60 fight only lennox smart and all that boxer stupid !!!!! 43 !! oh man hes nothing
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
lewis last fight with klitschko
klitschko was the beast and lewis di agree to re-mache with him
after this fight lewis stop boxing ever !!!!
not for mony becous he now the future in boxing not good for him he
will star get loose
thats why hes stop boxing
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad An old, out of shape Lennox Lewis exploded Vitali's face. He had nothing left to prove.
pearcemark2 1 year ago
@pearcemark2
so ask lennox why he afraid to remache with klischko
and ask him why after this fight stop boxing ever
all his fight in all his life 43 fight !!!!!!! hes not great
not like tyson or holmes up 55 fight
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
Lewis was beating Tyson leftovers in far less impressive fashion.
scotthovsepian88 1 year ago
@scotthovsepian88
He did better on points than tyson...
403766 1 year ago
@403766
but tyson , tucker was 1987 not in 1992 !!!!
thats mean tucker kill lewis in shap 1987
in this fight tucker was old and fat
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad
Tucker is not fat, and you are a complete idiot if you think prime Tucker could beat Lewis, without lewis showing off here of course.
403766 1 year ago
@403766
look tucker in 1987 befor 5 years and look him fo thisr fight with lewis
hes becom fat and old in 1992
tucker was 33 wins and( no loses ) and ibf champion in 1987 when
he fight tyson ,,,, its big different in 1992
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad
Yes... That means fuck all he bat some bums to get the championship, and was getting his ass whooped by buster doulgas without doulgas mum dying until inthe 10th doulgas ran out of energy.
And by the way tuckers record was 49 - 1, that one loss coming from tyson fo course which there is no shame in he hadnt been defeated bfore or since. And anyway tucker only started to loose to tysonthe second he broke hsi hand in 4th winning all rounds til then so get of lewis vids hater
403766 1 year ago
@403766
sir , tucker was stronger in 1987
and tucker old than lewis up 10 years
and dont forget get mike was not in top shap with
douglas and douglas was afrid for re-match with tyson
lewis all his fight in all his lif onlye 43 !!!! but tyson 58 fight
thats why lewis lost only 2 fight , and tyson 7 lost
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@bethoveenzeyad
I agree he was in 87, but that in no way means he would kill lewis
Tucker is 6 years older than lewis? Thats less than 10 mate
Tyson NEVER EVER asked doulgas for a rematch so that is inncorrect
43 if enough fucking fights that has nothing to do with it, why would a washed up lewis want to keep fighting he was never broke unlike holyfeild and tyson who had don kign taking their money he doesnt need to ruin his record fighting for money
403766 1 year ago
Tucker was a solid fighter
boxingfanofthegame 1 year ago
Lewis' boring jab and grab, 'safety first style' produced a ton of 'boos' in the 90's. In the 2000's it became the norm...
mmcneil777 1 year ago
@mmcneil777 Larry Holmes did the same thing before Lewis. Most people who claim to be boxing fans are not real fans. All they want to see is Knockouts. That's not how boxing goes alot of the time. It's the reason why so many people liked Tyson, and why he was such a huge draw. But that doesn't make those Tyson fans boxing fans. They're not. They want every heavyweight to fight like Tyson. Lewis is a smart technical fighter. All he cares about is winning not knocking people out.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
Look at all those people walking out of the stadium at 2:55.
mmcneil777 1 year ago
If Toney Tucker had a little more the mentality of the champion, who could have been great.
mmcneil777 1 year ago
Tyson of 1988 walks thru both these guys.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade nahh, I thought we had this conversation...
farrell360 1 year ago
@fadethetrade Tucker went the distance with Tyson. Lewis beat Tucker by a much wider margin. Lewis beat every top fighter in the division. Tyson's opponents were no where near the same caliber as Lewis' opponents. Tucker was the best fighter Tyson beat. After Thomas, Ruddock, and Smith it drops to Berbeck and then drops to the bottom of the barrell. Lewis destroyed Ruddock. Tyson got a BS early stoppage (he didn't even knock him down) in the 1st and went the distance in the 2nd.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 I understand your assessment,,I agree to a point,however,tyson wasnt a great fighter,he was a fighter who fought great! Tyson in early 1988 gave Oliver the bull mccall sucn a beating in a sparring session and threw a 5 punch combination to his midsection and mccall was wearing body protector and Mccall quit and left the ring tyson was beating the hell out of him.Mccall ko'd Lewis,mccall,had he not have a mental breakdown,might have been able to beat lewiS AGAIN.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade The stoppage of the McCall fight was BS. He was barely hurt, his eyes are clear, he was up right away, you could see he was OK to continue. He has been knocked down got up and won many fights. McCall got in a lucky punch and the fight was stopped by a ref on King's payroll. King had alot of ref's and judges paid off. Somwtimes just by offering a position at a future title fight. Lewis looked much worse in the Rahman fight and the ref JUMPED ON TOP OF HIM WHEN HE TRIED TO GET UP.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 He didnt belong on the canvas in the first place and what happened with rahman first fight,the elevation???? CMON,stop making excuses,every time lewis got hit,he wiggled,not a good formula for success against a hungry prime blinding speed iron chinned tyson of 22 yrs old!
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade The sad truth of it all is we never got to see Tyson fight anyone with a great pedigree until it was to late for him. I'm saying he was overrated because most of his "great" KO's were against lesser opponents who didn't have a real chance against him. If Cus would have been with us longer he probably would have but once he was gone and King took over Tyson never faced any real threats. If he had fought Holyfield sooner he probably would have won. Lewis A game beats Tyson A game
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@fadethetrade The sad truth of it all is we never got to see Tyson fight anyone with a great pedigree until it was to late for him. I'm saying he was overrated because most of his "great" KO's were against lesser opponents who didn't have a real chance against him. If Cus would have been with us longer he probably would have but once he was gone and King took over Tyson never faced any real threats. If he had fought Holyfield sooner I think would have won. But Lewis A game beats Tyson A game
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 I've always maintained that spinks was the demise for tyson!!! Instead of tyson needing the test at that point in his career,he faced a guy who an aging holmes beat already 4 yrs earlier. The fight I wanted to see for tyson was tyson/holyfield in 1988.true,evander just became a heavyweight but he always talked about tyson that he already sparred with mike in 1984 and he had the heart to "get that respect" as holyfield kept claiming in 88 ,89,90 etc. Tyson kos holy in 88 in 6 or less
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 tyson vs lewis,i lean towards tyson A which is early 1988 against lewis A which was against tyson in 02! The lewis wiggle when hit bothers me in picking him over a classic hungry actively fighting every 2 to 3 month tyson with rooney in his corner.I guarantee you they would prepare tyson for the worst against a lewis of 2002 and they would put a strategy to nullify lewis strength which would be to slip the jab,the right hand woudnt land that much on the slick prime tyson.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 People have to stop visualizing the douglas/tyson fight because tyson of early 1988 would have taken that douglas out in or less.Douglas,as great as he fought for his mortal mother,would get combinationed to death by the classic tyson ,as holyfield did to douglas in their fight.It would be akin to the holy win over douglas.Rooney stated in an intervie,he would have had tyson take out douglas in the early middle rounds 3,4, or 5. That was tysons chance,douglas rested in those rounds
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 Douglas was a class B fighter.He was overrated .He has such a predictable stance with the left foot way out in front of him while he pumps the jab and the right hand.Tyson of early 88 would ko douglas in 5 rounds.Ruddock had a tendancy to "dip down to the left" before launching his uppercut smash but lewis was ready for that dip and took advantage of it real quick!He trained to look for that dip.I know and he knew! Ruddock got put down in most of his wins against better opponents.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 So,the problem was that he got hit too hard with lewis after doing that ridiculous dip down to the left.This usually exposed him against TALLER OPPONENTS e.g.Bonecrusher knocked him down with the same punch!! The problem was that ruddock couldnt recover in time becuase he always proved he fought at a higher level after getting knocked down but lewis wouldnt let him have another chance.Had he had another chance,lewis could have lost and been ko'd brutally against ruddock.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 I never give too much credence to fighters who put other fighters away too quickly as rahman showed with lewis that maybe that punch was alucky shot. I would have loved to seen a fight with ruddock and lewis BEFORE tyson took every inch of fight out of ruddock.ruddock was dead meat after tyson nearly killed him,!
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade THAT'S THE BIGGEST PILE OF BULLSHIT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH YET. LEWIS knocked out Ruddock because TYSON beat him up. That's the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard. GET A GRIP The only thing that knocked out Ruddock was Lewis's right hand and Lewis's left Hand TYSON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 Well put! Ruddock came into that fight looking BETTER than he did against Tyson, he was huge and ripped and ready to take Lewis' head off!
XionComrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 its not so stupid you dont know nothing about pro boxing if you dont know that majority boxers are more dangerous until he loss first time .
rudziu102 1 year ago
@BrettSky07
tucker in shap 80s destroy lewis , tucker in this fight was old and fat
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 never forget that in late 1990,holyfield and Foreman BOTH DECLINED TO FIGHT RUDDOCK.In other words,they DUCKED HIM!!!! I have the article proving it. But a diminished empty tyson still took that fight and took 18 rounds of left uppercut smashes.ANyone who questions a MENTALLY prepared tysons heart,is an idiot and should take up bowling as a sport!!!!!!
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade Last post Lewis's handlers were way to cautious the first few years after he turned pro. Lennox trusted them to do what they thought was best for him. But he should have een fighting better opposition right away. Bowe was considered one of the best and he had already beaten him. But after he took control for himself LEWIS FOUGHT EVERYBODY AT THE TOP OF THE DIVISION FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER. TYSON DUCKED EVERYONE AT THE TOP OF THE DIVISION UNTIL THE END OF HIS CAREER. To late then
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 The top of the division was the worst in modern history.Lewis chinwas my problem.It was below average and this is not a good formula for success in rating him in the top 3.I just cant do it because of his chin.Tyson was the opposite of lewis.TYson as a perpetual motion fighting machine was in his best ability when he trained and fought every 2 to 3 months at th damato camp and became empty early.he wasnt a great fighter,he only "fought great" Lewis peaked like holmes in their 30's
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 His chin was his demise.Why do you think his handlers safeguarded him so long.Tyson won the title 1 yr after he turned pro,lewis needed 6 yrs!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade Who's chin was who's demise? Lewis retired as the undisputed heavyweight champ. Yes he should have fought both Klitchko's and didn't, but he wasn't even ready for Vitali, after training for Kirk Johnson, and still found a way to win. That's what made him great. If they fought again with Lewis training for Vitali's straight ahead style Klitchko would not have done nearly as well. Lewis also showed a better chin in the fight against Vitali taking several shots I didn't think he could
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 And lewis not only got ko'd in his PRIME by two tomato cans,he also lost that decision to Ray Mercer and grandpa holmes beat the same mercer!!!!!!!!!
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade PLEASE STOP WITH THE EXCUSES FOR LEWIS'S OPPONENTS AND FOR TYSON'S LOSING. TYSON WAS IN GREAT SHAPE FOR THE LEWIS FIGHT. LEWIS DID NOT WANT TO KO TYSON EARLY. HE WANTED TO PUNISH HIM FOR RUNNING AND ALLOWING KING TO KEEP LEWIS OUT OF THE TITLE PICTURE FOR 10 YEARS, HE DIDN'T JUST WANT TO BEAT TYSON HE WANTED TO DESTROY HIM. He paid for it too. He injured his right hand in the fight and coasted with his jab until he acclamated to the pain and started to throw again in a few rounds
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@fadethetrade Ah no he won the decision against Mercer. Mercer was another guy Tyson wouldn't fight. Mercer had way to good a chin for the chicken Tyson. Yeah Tyson fought so "great" Right up until he started fighting top contenders and champs. All of a sudden the 1st and 2nd round KO's STOPPED and he was going 6 to 12 rounds. You do nothing but make excuses for Lewis's opponents and Tyson's losing. TYSON WAS IN FINE SHAPE FOR THEIR FIGHT. Nobody could take that punishment without being in shape
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 lol
Ray Mercer = DESTROYED by a 43yo Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson = DESTROYED a 38yo Larry Holmes
Ray Mercer on Tysons resume? = A NO BRAINER
Cowardzaghe 1 year ago
@fadethetrade He still could not KO Tucker or Smith. He couldn't even KO Mitch Green or James Tillis for F___ sakes. And you still think he would have KO'd Lewis. Tyson can throw whatever he wanted to, but when Lewis is out of reach or has him all tied up and leaning on him, which are the only two things that would happen. Everytime Tyson tried to lunge in with his head down he would be met with an uppercut from Lewis just like Tucker did. Lewis hit alot harder than Tucker. Just ask Tyson
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 lol, Why did he??
Tucker fought Tyson in the 1987 Tyson fought Lewis in 2002 when he was totally washed up and smoking marijuana instead of training for fights.
Based on your argument both Kevin McBride and Danny Williams must legendary punchers and not club-fighters who beat an out of prime drug-addled Tyson, as they did it much quicker than Lennox THE BUM Lewis
Cowardzaghe 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 tyson decapitated adetermined holmes.Holmes was determined to beat tyson that night,as sugar ray leonard at ringside stated.Holmes fought the perfect self preservasion style fight but tyson was soo good that night,holmes said he couldnt hit him,his slipping was too good and his power was like getting hit with a speeding ferrari. I have my reservasions on how a prime lewis would handle a 4 punch combinations by a prime peaking deadly active perpetual motion tyson of early 1988.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade Holmes was way to old and slow. Lewis was very mobile very smart and alot faster than most people realize. Lewis was better than Tucker and Seldon whom Tyson did not KO. Tyson could not KO bigger mobile heavy handed fighters. If he couldn't walk through the punches of guys like Thomas and Biggs or have an immobile target to hit like Berbeck he would get frustrated and wasn't nearly as effective. If he was getting pushed back ward he couldn't do anything.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 You can say anything you want about lewis,1 fact remains,his chin WAS below avererage.He only learned to "ride punches well" as emanual steward taught him but again,I have reservasions about the fact that lewis could EASILY be ko'd by subpar fighters not known for their power.Not a good formula for success against a hungry 22yr old blinding speed assassin like tyson.Tyson was so active fighting every 3 months,practicing the defense first/offense posture and lewis did nothing with Tua
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade I agree Lewis didn't have a good chin. I've never argued that. Like I said he got knocked down by a few guys. But He also got up and beat them all. It's very easy to see the McCall fight should have continued. Just like the 1st Tyson Ruddock fight should have. Tyson would probably have Ko'd him after But D K owned the ref. Everytime Lewis was knocked down by one of King's fighters (OM,HR) the fight was stopped. Everytime Lewis was knocked down by non DK fighters he go up and won.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@fadethetrade Tyson fought Tucker in 87 and did not knock him down.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 Tony Tucker was addicted to cocaine and had previously retired for 3 yrs and got overweight and out of shape due to his drug addiction.
Only a fool would compare the Tony Tucker that Tyson faced to this BUM in 1993, Even John Ruiz ko'd the washed up, post-drug addiction Tony Tucker, says it all!
Cowardzaghe 1 year ago
@BrettSky07Positive drug test KOs Tony Tucker
February 01, 1991|By Los Angeles Times
Heavyweight boxer Tony Tucker, who scored a first-round victory at the Forum in Inglewood, Calif. on Monday night, tested positive for marijuana in his postfight drug test, the State Athletic Commission said yesterday.
Tucker, the IBF champion until Mike Tyson defeated him in 1987, stopped Lionel Washington in 1 minute, 11 seconds. Tucker, 32, had a series of cocaine abuse problems in recent years
Cowardzaghe 1 year ago
Here is another example of a fight where Lewis shows that he does indeed have a chin.
bigmoney749 1 year ago
70gabino a prime lewis and a prime larry homes well that would have bin a great match what you think
manonhill12 1 year ago
THIS WAS A YOUNG LEWIS A OLDER TONY WONT LAST 2
manonhill12 1 year ago
@manonhill12 True but an older Lewis and a young Tucker would have been pretty good.
70gabino 1 year ago
Hey, Brickthrowa - Lewis won this 12 round decision over Tucker. He never fought him again, and never "knocked the fuck out of Tucker." Not twice, and not even once. Check your facts before posting idiotic statements.
wrwhitworth 1 year ago
@wrwhitworth He said TYSON not LEWIS.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
@BrettSky07 OK, OK... I admit my typo. BUT, I must point out that TYSON only fought Tucker ONCE, not twice. AND, never "knocked the fuck out of" him. It was a 12 round decision with no knockdowns. Just sayin'...
wrwhitworth 11 hours ago
funny how tyson knocked the fuck out of tucker twice, and lennox beat tyson when he was somewhat old.
BRICKTHROWA 1 year ago
tucker best than lewis
tucker in this fight he was old and fat
lewis was small young
bethoveenzeyad 2 years ago
true
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
@bethoveenzeyad This was a classic protect the champion fight. Tucker isn't offered the fight until the fight is maybe 3 weeks out, he is offered the fight knowing he can't be ready and is out of shape. Tucker may have asked for more time I am sure he was told to take the shot now or you will never have another opportunity. These are classic promoter tactics protecting the house fighter and they get the benefit of using Tuckers name as a credible opponent.
Richdanahuff 1 year ago
so what is lennox lewis excuse for not winning the 84 olympics
biglittlejujitsuman 2 years ago
@pmack169 thats what everyones jab is. its to score and fluster and distract not to knock anyone out
biglittlejujitsuman 2 years ago
MrHectorAnderson ur a fuckin retarded stank-ass beaner, lennox raped tucker, u have no idea what ur talking about. when u get off ur shift at McDonalds, go rob a browns chicken, suck a dick, and stuff a burrito up ur ass u faggot spixican, u dont know shit about boxing, lennox lewis is one of the best ever
bigmoney749 2 years ago
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this was some bullshit. lennox lewis sucks cock always did fucking homosexuals
MrHectorAnderson 2 years ago
get in the ring with biggs and williams please
redmeth07 2 years ago
@redmeth07 Biggs never really turned into a PRO fighter. He was a great amatuer but he never changed after he went pro. His punches just got there. His punches were aimed at the front of the other guy not the back. in other words he punched TO his opponent instead of punching THROUGH his opponent.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
biglittlejujitsuman 2 years ago
You missed Holyfield,Bowe,Tyson and Ray Mercer.
But the others are all great champions no doubt about it
SquallLeon81 2 years ago
tyson, yes. holyfield, i dont think so he was good but not top ten. bowe, maybe but he fell off the bandwaggon quite quickly and wasnt as devastating as tyson. mercer, definatly not. he was tough but lacked consistancy and was never overwhelming. tyson could have been the best had he not fired his trainer in 88 and slowly went insane after that
biglittlejujitsuman 2 years ago
I can say your vision is good.
Bowe was quit very quickly.
i add only Evander after all.
because Holyfield have won with very decent fighter and for most time he was a light heavyweight
SquallLeon81 2 years ago
ye holyfield had silky skills but as he got on his footwork wasnt as good(he was cruiserweight not light heavy) look at him against buster douglas and watch the lewis fight. footwork is different. he got a little lazy. but ye crazy skills.
biglittlejujitsuman 2 years ago
LOL @ tyson paying to not fight Lennox
LOL
TWYI 2 years ago
@TWYI So what what was the $4 million Tyson paid Lewis for???? And why did he give up the WBC belt???? Which was awarded to Lewis. The WBC couldn't find ANYONE in the top ten that would agree to fight Lewis for the vacated belt. So they just gave it to him.
BrettSky07 1 year ago
still pusy
grzegorz77madej 2 years ago 2