J. Krishnamurti - In conversation with Mary Zimbalist

[DeadJesus100]

Mary was his partner and girlfriend for many years

[tchiritchou]

To all those peeps who go Bla Bla bla on JK ... He´s not teaching, he´s just discussing things ... The Speaker

[DeadJesus100]

@tchiritchou on his death bed he said that he had been speaking for about 70 years

and no one has a clue what he was saying

[tchiritchou]

@DeadJesus100 Indeed.... U know what?? Aparently we still don´t get it... lol

[DeadJesus100]

@tchiritchou yea its sad but its funny :)

[Jitpring]

It's really a shame that he never grew beyond his own dismal conditioning. 

[nicktrudeau]

@Jitpring

How can you be conditionned if you live without experience? If you die to the past continiously?

[Jitpring]

@nicktrudeau Nonsense. Also, your parroting of Krishnamurti here flows from your conditioning - by Krishamurti. This is the fatal error of his teaching. Follow his teaching and you show you're conditioned - by him. Of course he'll say he has no teaching. Nonsense. His very antiauthoritarianism is part of his teaching.

[nicktrudeau]

@Jitpring

You say nonesense because you think the mind isnt capable of such. A conditionned mind can never understand an unconditioned mind. But the unconditioned can perceice and have constant insight.

I think the nonesense is that you wish not to beleive and refuse that there is a consciousness of an unconditionned mind.

I never followed anyones teachings. When you do, you are no longer a master. I simply see what he sees and understand him.

[Jitpring]

@nicktrudeau Nonsense. You're simply parroting this guy. Yet to be a true disciple of K, one must totally reject him. Make no mistake about it, nihilism is at the very core of K's teaching. It's utterly empty. Once one cuts through all the pseudo-profundity of it, one sees this devastating truth.

[DeadJesus100]

@nicktrudeau

He said do not believe in belief

[nicktrudeau]

@DeadJesus100

He said not to have beleif. Because it is again, Thought. To be free is to be thoughtless, to be human.

[DeadJesus100]

@nicktrudeau  do you know what it means to give up thinking?

[nicktrudeau]

@DeadJesus100

I did not say to give up thinking. Read carefully. I wrote, to be thoughtless. Not to have a thinker. A mind can not give up thinking. A mind needs to think in order to structurize any process of communication.

But when there is a thinker, an ego, then... can there be intelligent thinking? Actual Intelligence?

[DeadJesus100]

@nicktrudeau murti said thinking invented the thinker

An ego is the nonsense invented by freud

[nicktrudeau]

@DeadJesus100

Stop repeating everything that you read. And actually start to discover yourself. All you are doind is reading....and then repeating. Therefore never found out for yourself...

[DeadJesus100]

@nicktrudeau i studied Murti for 4 years

He said that thinking invented the thinker

Do you even understand what that means?

Stop pretending you are bright

[nicktrudeau]

@Jitpring

First, i am not following anyones teaching. I am simply exploring life by myself. Seems to me that you like that word "nonesense". Is your approach to things is of Absolutism? Or you simply like to use that word? ;)

Second, you are going to tell me that countries DO exist? That the world in reality is divided into countries?

[DeadJesus100]

@Jitpring lol he was a bit contradictary

[DeadJesus100]

@nicktrudeau\How can you die to the past ? for me that is the real question

[ryjahman]

nm,

[RussianPlayer08]

Hes talking about the human conditioning through culture and doctrination.... do i think the brain has the power to be free of the conditioning?, i think not, in the sence of it will only be changed to another conditioning.... at least to a better one, it will be achieved only through education on human behaviour not human nature, technology and real spirituality and our connection to nature. It will take a restructuring of our values and the system.

watch what is The Venus Project

[xbr123]

@RussianPlayer08

but your very seeing that the brain cannot be free of conditioning is already a freedom.

[FirstBookOfMike]

Brain chemicals have a lot to do with it too.

[roochina]

he is staying with the question, at the same time deepening it, then comes up with a question which is too fundamental to be answered by the intellect; the impossible question!

[ryahul]

@roochina ..Well put

[limintsai88]

KR's speech is so genuine seems each word is coming from his soul, it's touching and inspiring. He definitely is a guru on 21th century.

Saw his video with subtitle for every country people is great !

Stan Tsai

[blitzkrieg19031]

I've watched many vids from jiddu and I find him very redundant. Be patient with me for a moment though, I'm not insulting him. I think he may have had so much more to say, but, its like he was giving his opening speech for his whole life, because nobody understood him. Its amazing that he could reword it for so many years.

[DJpoppa35]

hey cool im not the only one ahaha.. but i do find new things pop up... you should read his books.... they never repeat. they overlap

[mujoshu]

But if he leads you to a place of no mentation what the heck else could you want to know?

[closetome]

To me the beauty of J J is that he didn't believe in guru disciple relationship, or authoritarian religions and this is beautiful and because so much control and ill will and evil has been done because of those things. This shoes his clear intentions and his crystal truth in the matter

[188scarface]

What is the point of all this? Nothing will ever change.

[tamedmind]

Why do you think that?

[DeadJesus100]

@188scarface :) Humans may never change but Nature will wipe us out

[davestany]

its great, can we watch the rest of this please.

[floydianlapse]

thank you very much tamedmind could you upload k's last talk at madras? thx

[martw77]

... thanks for the post and also for letting me know it was here :)