Denominations and religions aren't of GOD. A true servant of God will never teach a false doctrine. He will never deny new revelation. He never will tell you that the canon of scripture is full, or that the New Testament is the last revelation ever intended to be given to man.
True religion comes from the heart and not by the creeds and dogmas made by men.
@TheOriginalAnalogKid Yeah, of course it's the truth, it's an LDS site! As if they are going to say anything publicly that will make it seem that they aren't the "true church"!! It's a lie! A cult! Jo Smith was a fake!!!
I'm pretty sure atheism is a fairy tale theres a creation without a creator everything comes from nothing.... Lol yeah right. P.s Mormonism is a sneaky cult trust in Jesus alone
Does not believe that a Muslim man with a sword in he has to kill people, or that he threatened the world with terrorism, please identify this religion, I swear you will find comfort and you will find something you're looking for the rest of your life and feel free to read translations of the Koran, read the translation of the life of the Prophet Mamedsaly God upon him
If you want to know more about Islam, I hope that you continue with me
That is a silly question. A baptist does not have a monopoly on Salvation silly. Micah is a biblical Christian. He did not change one religion for another, he entered into a personal relationship with Jesus. Christians do not join a Church, they enter into the Body of Christ.
@maximusjay Your term "special" applies to you and your fellow "christians" or should I say Jesus freaks? I can always count on you so called "christians" to give me a good laugh! Thanks!
Honestly, I heard this joke from a Rabbi, and thought it apropos: "Why did God create Mormons?" "So Christians could understand what it feels like to be Jewish!"
"Why did God create Mormons?" "So Christians could understand what it feels like to be Jewish!" The joke would be funny if Christians claimed to be Jews like Mormons do. Armed with that knowledge the joke is a joke.
At 4 min: "They said that I was following the path of the devil, I was evil ... I was gonna be damned." This is almost exactly what church members told Matt Dillahunty ...
... when he left the Baptist church and became an atheist.
That is not just a little ignorant! Taking up your Cross is making sacrifices in your life for Jesus the Christ, such as leaving Mormonism even when your friends, family and Church threatens to shun you and turning your life over to Him as a living sacrifice. Get rid of your sins? Begin by believing in His Word and stop spitting in his face by following a false gospel brought by an angel of light. Have you ever noticed that Jesus, the only name that can Save is never mentioned in the temple?
@jonathandavid33 Wow, I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being in any other church! It isn't a false gospel at all. We have the fulness of the gospel.
"Wow, I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being in any other church!" Welcome to religion and good by to a personal relationship with Jesus. May you one day take upon yourself the name of Jesus Christ instead of striving to do so. May you one day come to know the Truth that you have forsaken in favor of empowerment to men who claim to be of God. God Bless
@jonathandavid33 Oh for heaven's sake. The LDS church is all about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's the whole premise of the church. What a thing to say. And then you tell me, "God Bless." Like you are so much superior and know so much more than me. Yet you're so rude and you put down my religion. You haven't even taken the time to understand the doctrines of the church. You just put me down without knowing what the LDS church is about. Internet people are so frustrating.
"It is no secret that many false and... foolish things are being taught... among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus...There are yet others who have an excessive zeal which causes them to go beyond the mark....In an effort to be truer than true they devote themselves to gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous" Bruce R. McConkie. YOU ARE RIGHT. WHAT A THING TO SAY! I am an ex-LDS
"Like you are so much superior and know so much more than me" Obviously you don't know much about it. Why don't you read it from your own Church History. Ever wonder why the Church hates the Cross? It is not for the reasons you think. They are repulsed by it because it strips them of their priesthood authority. Before you say I don't know anything about the "doctrines" of the Church, why don't you refresh my memory on what they are. God Bless
@jonathandavid33 What makes you think I haven't read all these things?? Oh this makes me so mad. You obviously haven't taken Moroni's Promise at the end of the Book of Mormon. You just automatically believe bad things about the Church and misinterpret things, etc.
Contention is of the devil remember. That is your doctrine is it not? What makes me think that you have not read "all these things"? Because if you have then you are a deliberately deceptive person and a hypocrite. You have accused me of "attacking your beliefs" when the entire existence of your Church is an attack against the Body of Christ. Promise at the end of the Book of Mormon? Yes the Devil is in the details indeed. Brainwashing is alive and well in the Mormon Church.
@jonathandavid33 The entire existence of the Mormon church is an "attack against the Body of Christ"???? Oh brother. Now I've heard everything. Now I know you don't understand. Anyway, it's just so frustrating when I try to help people, and it's like talking to a wall. I was happier before I started trying to make a difference on these boards and dispel misconceptions about the Mormon church. Now I'm just more upset than ever because I know what people are like. Why did I even bother to try?
I am not your brother. Your brother is Satan. Your Church has said that there is only two Churches, the Mormon Church and the Church of the Devil. Therefore you are attacking silly fool.
@jonathandavid33 Yes, you are right. Brainwashing is alive and well in the Mormon church. That's what happened to me all those years ago when I first investigated the Mormon church, all on my own. I was brainwashed. I still am, to this day. I don't know WHAT ever possessed me to join this wacky cult. I was SOOOO much better off without it. Thank you so much for enlightening me, Internet People. I shall drop out immediately.
Mormons do not take upon them the name of Jesus which would allow them to be called Christians, but rather they promise to strive to do so. This was the case in 1985 and this year when it was once again affirmed.
"What we witness is NOT THAT WE TAKE UPON US HIS (Christ's) NAME but that WE ARE WILLING TO DO SO. In this sense, OUR WILLINGNESS RELATES TO SOME FUTURE EVENT or status WHOSE ATTAINMENT IS NOT self-assumed... ELDER DALLIN H. OAKS After all you can do dear! God Bless
@jonathandavid33 What the heck??? What do you mean Mormons do not take up on them the name of Jesus??? Who do you think we worship??? John Doe?? George Washington??? I can't believe this!!! We are more Christian than any other church!
What do you mean Mormons do not take up on them the name of Jesus???" Take it up with your own Aposltes and Prophet silly.
Who do you think we worship???
Satan of course. "We are more Christian than any other church!" Hooey!
No angry little sister of Satan. You cannot be a Christian if you cannot even take upon yourself His name silly. You strive to take on his name just as your "Prophet" and "Apostles" have taught. You are not a Christian without His Name. I sited 4 U.
@jonathandavid33 Wow, I had no idea we Mormons worshipped Satan! This is REALLY news to me. Nobody has ever told me this before. I'll inform my Bishop immediately.
Glad to be of service. Now repent! Hebrews 4:3 "For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, "In my anger I took an oath: 'THEY WILL NEVER ENTER MY PLACE OF REST'" even though this rest has been ready since he made the world.
YOU ARE THE 'OTHERS' MY DEAR. Hebrews 4:10 "for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. God Bless you. May the spirit of blindness be lifted from you. Wake up Silly one!
Refute me then from the Bible. Where have I "misrepresented" entering into the Rest of Jesus based on Faith. You are on the path of discovery. Keep going girl! You want the truth right? Your Church has lied to you and is bolstering those lies. You do not strive for a personal relationship with Jesus to become a Christian. You enter into a personal relationship when Him when you have Faith that the Works He did on the Cross are enough then you are Christian. Not before. God Bless
@jonathandavid33 Yes! Yes! Yes! I am on the "path of discovery"! I am finding out that the church has LIED to me all these years. But thanks to Internet People like you, I am going to be free! If I could just be deprogrammed a little bit more! Then I can go back to being a "regular person" and sipping "fine wine"! I can hardly wait!!!
"It makes perfect sense to me" Yes it makes perfect sense. You are not yet a Christian, unless you accepted Jesus before abandoning His Word easy enough. If so then you have fallen from Grace, yet are still saved, only as one escaping through the flames. You will suffer loss for all that you are and have built falsely upon the foundation of Jesus. That is the Word of God. God Bless
@jonathandavid33 Here I try to dispel misconceptions about the LDS church, and it's like talking to a wall. Just like on the Yahoo boards where I've tried to dispel misconceptions about lowcarb eating, and it's like talking to a wall. Just like when I speak up against marijuana and alcohol, it's like talking to a wall. What is the deal with Internet People?
You have not tried to "dispel" anything. You do not back up anything with scripture from the Bible. You simply babble and whine unresponsively. What's the deal with internet people? What does that have to do with anything? You are living in a delusion. I gave you proof that contradicted your statements, and even though my proof came from your own "Apostles" you ignored it and stuck your head into the sand. A pig once cleaned returns to the mud. You are living proof. God Bless
@jonathandavid33 Here I tried to help you, and you reject it. Please read A Marvelous Work and a Wonder by LeGrand Richards. That's what I read over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the LDS church. It helped explain Mormon doctrine so well, using Bible references to clarify things, etc. I highly recommend it. The LDS church is more Christian than any other church; it doesn't ask you to forsake the Bible. It brings you CLOSER to the Bible!
I have read his book, seen "The other side of Heaven" I have read the complete series of "Jesus the Christ" have read and studied the Book of Mormon, Church History, pioneer journals, Court documents concerning the Mormons time in the East. So what is your point? You are asking me to swallow a lot of filth along with biblical scripture and accept it as "gospel". In order to accept Mormonism, I have to reject the teachings of Christ. You are not trying to help anyone. God Bless
"The LDS church is more Christian than any other church; it doesn't ask you to forsake the Bible. It brings you CLOSER to the Bible!"
Now at least I know you can lie. You cannot be a Christian until you take upon yourself the name of Jesus the Christ. As I have proven, your "Apostles" teach that you STRIVE to take upon his name. If you were a Christian you would have entered into the Sabbath Rest of Jesus and rested of your works toward your own Salvation, taking up the Cross
"it doesn't ask you to forsake the Bible. It brings you CLOSER to the Bible!" Deceptions and lies! You will sacrifice the Bible to your idol the Temple. You do not believe in the Bible or accept it. You follow the "Prophet" who is a liar, and you did that easy enough. Now you are building falsely on the foundation of Jesus for which you will suffer loss. May God forgive you, however as there is no longer a sacrifice left to cover you, you will pay for your errors. God Bless
Obviously. Your "Prophet" would never lead you astray right? He has taught you so well to worship Satan that you have no idea you are doing it. Where is Jesus mentioned in your "temple"? Who leads you through the veil that was torn in two at the death of Christ on the Cross which allowed us to have a personal relationship with him? This veil that the Mormons sewed back together and restored everything Jesus freed us from. In your ignorance you have refused to enter His rest!
Did you know that only the "Prophet" and the "Apostles" of your Church are allowed to say they have a "personal relationship with Jesus"? You see, if anyone else had a personal relationship with Jesus then what would they need with the "Priesthood"? That is the separation between you and Jesus. These men stand between you and Jesus. You will not know if you are Saved until the end. Too bad for you. I know I am Saved here & now. No man stands in between Jesus and myself. God Bless
“This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth...” “There is no salvation outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints (Mormon Doctrine, p.670) “There are...two churches...; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil;1 Nephi 14:10
They will never tell the true story of how a certain rather dim witted mormon missionary sprayed bug spray into his eyes and got kicked out of college because he could not live the covenants of the church...could they "ferris" hypocrite. If you want to spout irrelevant facts? Lets begin with yours and go tit for tat. Ferris enough? I served with you in Florida and Know where your skeletons are buried. Your hatred of he that helped you and did so much for you disgusts me.
Actually I got kicked out of college because of bad grades.
And I don't hate him. I'm just saying the whole story doesn't line up. I'm very grateful for the memories we've had together, I love the bug spray story, the fact he used to let me eat there for free, he took great care of me when I was sick, the phone calls.....you're right, I have been a little ungrateful now that you bring that up.
The point is the stories are just not matching... .....
Yep I have a few skeletons.......who doesn't? It doesnt matter matter how far the deep end I went, I came back and the atonement covers for that. How can you go out preaching grace to everyone and condeming me for my past when the atonement covers for that too?
@jonathandavid33 you're right, he did do a lot for me................so did the lds church, which is why is hurts so much to see yall fighting an organization that did so much for me growing up
It would still be a trust issue ignoramus. From what I have heard about you anyone would be a fool to trust you. You pretend to be a friend and then use the information you have gained to attack your friends. I am content not to have known you. Now go back to drooling gout of the corners of your mouth. I have no need for you. Get thee behind me Satan!
@maximusjay then the ignoramous is me........at least I have only one username and one ID, unlike you who posts as multiple people............
And I never attacked any of my friends.....I attack their ideas...not any different then them only using information about church leaders just to attack then
And you dont have any authority to call me satan.......and if you think calling me names makes you closer to christ, then im glad we worship different jesus'
Brother of Satan: You know what? I have seen your posts before and I have received strange messages from you before that make me question your mental stability. I now think that is a calculated game you play. However, If you are so blind that you think that you do not attack your own friends (Who are also my friends) then I am going to find out exactly who you are and serve you up some of your own stew. Stay tuned.
Not as funny as the guys telling me a story of you screaming like a girl in panic while you were trying to face your fears by climbing up a tiny four story fire-escape, then unable to climb back down, the police came and asked you if you were off your "medication". (Lol...) Classic G.
Whatever!!! You thought it was hilarious when it happened!! You thought it was funny how ticklish I was, or how scared I was of heights at the roof of the hotel. By the way, I did face my fears by going to six flags and had a blast.....you may try to ridicule me now in public but you thought it hilarious when it happened
I know and love the stories, just as I know and love the fire escape story but I did not hear them first hand, (other than the tickling) I am not who you think I am toots.
I don't know how many Mormon missionaries go unlearned on their missions. This guy just got stomped because he didn't ask the real question before his mission. "Do we just say 'we have faith' or is faith action?" If it's just 'faith,' then why change for the better? Why was Jesus Christ baptized? Why did Christ serve people? Are you telling me that if His apostles would have said, "Christ we have faith in you, but we don't need to do what you tell us." that they would be saved? What is saved?
He was not "Stomped" as you say, he was Saved by Grace. Why? Because he came to know the Truth and he refused to deny it even under LDS persecution.
Do you know where you will go when you die? Micah does.
Christ was Baptized to fulfill Prophecy by the way. He was Baptized by John and not into Christ was he SIlly one. If He was Baptized to be Saved then He would have had to be Baptized into Himself. You are so Silly!
Powerful .. Once Jesus becomes Lord in your life nothing can stand against you .. You will have struggles and you can have questions but Jesus will be there for you at every turn ... The Victory is already His.
That's a misunderstanding. I didn't say that Mormons don't believe that Jesus died for their sins. I said that you've assumed that Christians from different denominations aren't united as ONE church. You have different buildings with different wards and such. We have different buildings and different ways of worshiping BUT WE WHO BELIEVE THE SAME FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS about who Jesus is and have a personal relationship with him are ONE CHURCH.
Adam's Road attends over a hundred different Christian churches from all denominations with the exception of Catholic and they have repeatedly said that the belief that there is so much division in the denominations is a lie. The songs they sing are universal and mainstream in all the Churches. They provide their lyrics for all to see as they sing, so it anyone wants to see what the Churches are agreeing on, listen to the Music of Adam's Road. Stop believing the lies.
give you so much credit Brother. It is hard to leave what you were raised with even for the Truth but Matthew 15:3 perfectly shows what you did is the right thing.
I'll just say that this guy with his tv show wouldnt have a job if it werent for the mormon church so he owes the mormon church every single time he bites the hand that feeds him!!!!!!
No one says we don't have to do anything to be saved. Re:
James 1:5 - If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Mormon missionaries like to use this verse when introducing you to the Book of Mormon. They will encourage you to pray to God for wisdom to know if the Book of Mormon is true. I like to answer this a few different ways.
Can you show me where the Bible says to pray about it to see if it is true? Suppose I were to pray to God for wisdom to determine if the Bible is true and he said no? What if I prayed to God for wisdom to know whether the Muslim Quran is true and he said yes; how would I know for sure what to believe?
The Bible never prompts its readers to pray to determine whether or not it is the Word of God. Rather, it says that we must believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God (1 John 4:1). You may also remind them that the Bereans were commended, in Acts 17:11, because they did not immediately believe everything the Apostle Paul said, but they tested Pauls message by examining it in light of the available scriptures.
Proverbs 14:12 to them which states: There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of deathBy failing to practice the Biblical test to determine truth opens us up to believing in deceptive, changing feelings of man. In addition, we may also open ourselves up to the influence of deceiving spirits since Satan and his angels are well known to transform themselves into angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:14-15).
Knowledge is based on known facts. Wisdom is based on the application of those facts. I often ask a Mormon Do you think I should pray to see whether 1+1=2? Obviously the answer is no because that is an established fact. The Book of Mormon can be treated in the same way. Since, by testing it in the light of Scripture, we already have knowledge that it contains information that contradicts the established facts of the Bible, hence, we need not pray about its authenticity as coming from God
@dcardona87 YOU are the blind and foolish one. You are correct that I answered the question about James 1:5. It totally contradicts the Mormon misuse of the text. Joseph Smith did not know what he was talking about concerning the verse. Sadly, you believe his lies over the clear truth I presented here.
I do hope you are done with the stupidity that is found in the corpus of mormonism. If so, I rejoice with you.
No i said that James 1:5 is very clear in showing we need to pray to know what is truth. I will never leave the true church. what i meant is im done with the stupidity of arguing so leave me alone.
No. Wrong. James 1:5 does not teach we need to pray to know what is truth. Go look at the chapter. V 1 starts My brethren. James is speaking to Christians. The chapter is about seeking wisdom for facing the trials, testing and temptations in life. If you choose to believe error, that is your choice. You will face the consequences.
Cognitive dissonance is a state of opposition between cognitions. For the purpose of cognitive consistency theory, cognitions are defined as being an attitude, emotion, belief or value, or even a mixture of these. In brief, the theory of cognitive dissonance holds that contradicting cognitions serve as a driving force that compels the human mind to acquire or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions.
Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, Mark 11:24, John 14:13, John 16:23, John 15:7, Philippians 4:6, 1 John 3:22 If you ask for truth in Prayer ye shall recieve truth by Prayer.
Some say that the condition masks a serious trauma the person has suffered - sexual abuse, an attack, war, and so on. I wonder if that would include the psychological abuse one suffers when they are made to believe that they are not doing enough for the Mormon God and the people you want most in the world to protect you, your parents, tell you in so many ways that you're just not doing enough, not faithful enough, don't study the "scriptures" enough, YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLEASE GOD.
wow i just answered in the most simplest terms and you come back to me with that response that has nothing to do with what we are talking about i think you have the psychologial problems. its better to end this now because your not making any sense.
Typical mormon response, lie and twist what was said, add in an ad homenum attack for good measure. Oh, and lets not forget the tried and true straw-man argument.
Kinda like "lying for the Lord" right? Don't you have some genology work to do? maybe prepare your FHE lesson. Oh, right you are only 10 years old and have not received your "calling" for that yet.
dc why don't you stop citing what the Church picks and chooses from and start reading how the priesthood became obsolete. How Christ can be the only holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood and How Grace comes through Faith and not by Works lest anyone boast. How the Law (10 commandments) was fulfilled and replaced with the Law of Love. Stop being fooled by a bunch of greedy old men that hunger for power and wealth. If you think I do not speak the Truth then show me in the Bible where I am wrong.
Controversy (or arguing) for the sake of controversy is sin. Controversy for the sake of truth is a divine command. (Read Jude 3) . But for truths sake, go study James chapter one and the previous posts I stated concerning the text in James. Knowledge of the truth will set you free. Thats all.
What a joke. That guy is a douche. He obviously wasn't truely "into" anything to have had such a "conversion" experience on his mission... Anyone who stands there and says that "all things are fullfilled in Jesus" just strike me as lazyasses who really just found a "way out" of whatever it was they were running from to begin with. Everything church has a standard. To violate is the #1 reason anyone leaves it. It's like Amish peps-- they leave not for disbelief, but for a lifestyle change.
Don't quote scriptures without quoting contexts please. We could go back and forth of years doing just that alone... Why don't you execute some common sense for a moment? Jesus = the way to salvation. Soooo-- that means just by believing in his existance we are saved? What do YOU believe exactly. And don't quote me scripture. I want to know what YOU believe, not what the bible says-- you're interpretation is ONLY as good as the next guys. So please, share me your PERSONAL convictions.
@JRM I did quote in context. As usual you cannot explaing your earning your LDS "exaltation" in light of the clear teaching of the verse I posted. Common sense: Why don't you go wash your eyes in the weber river and go read the verse and the question I asked you again. I will continue to quote you scripture, silly, The SCRIPTURE is what I BELIEVE. Have I made myself CLEAR ENOUGH?? Now, stop wasting my time, tell me how your acheiving LDS exaltation coincides with the verse.
I never said that "believing in Jesus existence is how we are saved" you liar, you. Pull your head out of your mormon arse and deal with the issue you coward.
JRM008, does calling somebody a douche, lazy, and referencing cuss words like you did in your message to me = "throwing off or denying yourself all ungodliness? Moroni 10:32 Is this your deligent labor to pursuade children? (2 Nephi 25:23)
You should remember what Alma 11:37 says "He cannot save them in their sins...no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of God"
Those who gain exaltation in the celestial kingdom are.... ; in other words, those who keep all the commandments of the Lord... by receiving the blessings of the house of the Lord and overcoming all things. Thus we become heirs, priests, and kings, who have received of his fullness, and of his glory, who shall dwell in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever, with full exaltation. (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:4142.)
Am I to presume that you are Micah? I don't pretend to be perfect-- you know nothing about me-- only that I take an interest in the church's doctrine-- as well as that from other churches. I just try to be fair. And yes, actually, honesty is a virtue. You look, sound, and act like a douche. A big, lazy, douche. So there you have it. The person talking in this video seems bizarrly fake to himself. Just my opinion I suppose.
Wow, good come back. Insulting and name calling again. I am sure that Joseph Smith and Jesus would be proud. You know, if you plan to be exalted one day , you should learn to explain things better. You're right, I don't know a lot about you. I do know at least one thing: you arent perfect and neither am I. Romans 3:23 says for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This is an important principle to wrap your mind and heart around bc you and I are in the same boat in this.
@TackleboxMinistries To quote a very wise man... "No, there is a difference between us. Yes we both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back... YOU blinked." I need not explain myself further as I don't really need to explain myself to you at all. My explainations have been without falter. The only thing amusing to me about this is this interesting fact: I'm not one of "them." I never even said I was christian. I just believe unity, and not in destroying the faith of others.
Are you perfect, right now? No? Matthew 5:48 says to be perfect, not become perfect. The verse is in the present tense. We are not commanded to get it right in the future but to be perfect, right now! Just like your boss telling you to be on time doesnt mean to be on time a month from now, but immediately. Once you understand this (it may take a while),that I am perfect, right now!Think about that. Read Hebrews 10:14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified
Wow... so you mean to tell me that YOU are PERFECT already then?????? We can't be perfect. But we are expected to strive towards excellence in becomming more like Christ. The more excellent we become, the more perfect we are made.
@JRM. I am PERFECT according to Hebrews 10:14. Why? Because I as a Christian am robed with the righteousness that the shed blood of Jesus imparted to me by my faith in his FINISHED work at the Cross and resurection. Sadly, if you are trusting in your mormon works, et al. to get you to some heavenly kingdom you are yet lost in your sin. Dammed and on your way to hell, The bible says the sentence on wrath is onall who are lost.
. Notice the past tense. Jesus has already made those perfect who come to Him by faith, trusting in His finished work of redemption. You should also study and read Ephesians 2:8-9. That contains the gospel. NOT what mormonism teaches.
It works out just fine actually. I've already explained how grace and works corrolate in other posts, as well as brought up the debate over the definition of perfection based on what Christ taught.
Wow I've been reading your comments here about these subjects and I am Happy to know that there are people here of a diffrent faith that uses common sense it doesnt matter wheather your mormon or cristian of catholic or whatever you my man use common sense. i became a fan of you just reading your comments. to me is just as simple as you stated it. i hope other people become more like you! your a very smart person.
Of the few Matts in the world, there are thousands of people that come to find out that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true church.
I am one of them. I hope you will pray to know. Heavenly Father loves you and will help guide you to the truth.
Of course Jesus Christ is who saves us. The LDS church believes that.
no you dont. you believe that you save yourself. Moroni 10:32 &
For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." - 2 Nephi 25:23
Read your own quote buddy - from the Book of Mormon no less. I know that I can do NOTHING without Jesus Christ. Don't tell me what I do and don't believe.
if you believe in the doctrine of the LDS then you believe in a salvation that requires you do good works in order to recieve it. "for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." - 2 Nephi 25:23 "
"after all we can do" the Jesus of the LDS is not sufficient alone for salvation, he needs your help in to carry it out.
if you are not a mormon or refute this teaching then maybe i mis-spoke and if so, I do apologize
It requires faith, and faith without works is DEAD. From the bible, no less. I don't get what the big deal is on this subject. I don't think mormons think that Jesus can't do it alone. He is offering it to all, but we only have to accept it. How do we accept it? By coming to Him. How do we come to Him? By showing our faith, keeping the commandments and doing what He asks. Don't you believe that you need to have "alive" faith to be saved?
@gord1921 , Have you ever read the Journal of Discourses? Very helpful. Joseph F. Smith (10th Pres.) wrote in the 1970 edition of Doctrines of Salvation, "But man may commit certain grievous sins--according to his light and knowledge--that will place him BEYOND THE REACH OF THE ATONING BLOOD OF CHRIST. If then he would be saved he must make sacrifice of his own life--so far as in his power lies--for that sin, for the BLOOD OF CHRIST ALONE under certain circumstances will NOT AVAIL..."
Did you ever read what sins were that grevious? Few people in the history of mankind have gotten that far. In the Bible it even says that he who denys the Spirit will not have forgiveness in this world or the next. I don't think we can even comprehend the state of the people who have committed these types of sins.
Denying the spirit of God (denying God) means you never accept him into your life which means that you never asked for forgiveness. Revelation 3:20 says that God stands at the door of our hearts and knocks. If we ask him to come in and forgive us he will, if we don't he won't. Young and Smith taught that lots of sins were unforgivable unless the sinners own blood was shed. Among the sins: adultery, murder, and even marriage to an African. J of D Vol 3 p 247; Vol 4 p 219-220, p. 49-51; ....
In case you don't have access to Journal of Discourses I thought I'd put a quote from it. Vol3 P247 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances , I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands." B Young
Continuing on with quote from volume 3 page 247 about adultery Brigham Young said, "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your OWN BLOOD must atone for it.." I guess my main problem with this is that the Bible is very clear about the fact that Christ's blood canceled ALL our sin. Why did Christ have to die if his blood wasn't powerful enough to wipe out all our sins?
I have no idea. I'll study it up and get back to you thanks.
As for your quote, "Denying the spirit of God (denying God) means you never accept him into your life which means that you never asked for forgiveness" - that seems to be up to interpretation to me by any number of religions.
I am sure there is tons I don't know about the church, about life, about God. His ways are much higher than any of ours.
Also, if you take away the "Brigham Young the Prophet" and focus on "Brigham Young, the struggling, normal, average man, who is trying to lay down the law in a new terran" I think that there were obvious scare tactics involved in these quotes-- and as such aren't focused on today. That quote was speciffically from a man to a people from which neither side we can infer all the possible meanings behind. I just as soon disreguard it altogether for the bigger picture of actual "doctrine."
Yes. I would actually. I'm glad it's starting to sink in. Brigham Young once quoted that he wanted the saints of Utah to kill the militiamen when they were approaching Salt Lake at one point because they knew that they were comming to possibly raid the temple site. I think of myself if I lived in the day-- considering that I looked at him as a prophet-- how would I react to that? Later Brigham came back and announced he had been wrong and allowed his anger to get to him.
Instead, the saints were to be hospitable a kind to the milita. That's a bit more prophet-like, don't you think? But what if the first quote was recorded and not the second one... When dealing with prophets, we are dealing with fallable men my friend. There's nothing wrong with the the fact they make mistakes. I recall a destroying angel waiting outside of Moses' tent once because he failed to circumcise one of his children on time... he was forgiven, but that was big deal when it happened.
Everything that came out of the Early Prophets' mouths was recorded. You have to be smart when you approach those writings to gain the knowledge of what is and what isn't pertainant to your salvation... WAIT A SEC? Did I just have an epiphany???
Does god not require restitution as part of repentance? He does. How do you reconcile murder? Or, fornification? Do you believe there is no restitution needed to wipe away sin? I just give a couple "hail Mary's" and all is forgiven??? JUST LIKE THAT??? Get your head out of the book and think common sense for a second. And then just tell me-- what do YOU believe about repentance?
In the Psalms David writes that God knows our hearts. If we are truly repentant we will want to turn away from our sin and follow Christ. Not always possible and God still forgives (i.e. thief on the cross was still going to heaven and he had no time to give back what he stole.) My point was that Young and Smith taught that the sinner's blood had to be shed in order to atone for their sins. If this is true then why did Christ have to die? His blood covers some sins (the "small" one's)?
Wrong, the teaching is that blood is part of restitution for some sins. Your definition of everything is backward from what mormons (and other christians, for that matter) believe. Christ said he'd see the thief in "paradise." And there will be a restitution to made on their heads when they get to where they are going on the other side. I believe all things must come to balance, and even the dead have time between this world and the last judgement to make that up.
Colossians 2:13-15 "When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us ALL our sins having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."
That was a reference to the mosaic law. Stop quoting scriptures-- this is what I believe vs. what you believe. I could quote the same scriptures and give you a dozen different interpretations of them if I wanted-- and ALL OF THEM would be just as legitimate as yours. Thank You. If you want to say "well, this is what the scripture says, so I believe... etc." , that's perfectly fine-- but I don't feel like having open-ended quotes that are meaningless except to surport an opionion.
Necessary? We honestly don't know, nor take an official stance. Does it help? Probably-- if common sense can dictate truth that any restitution of a crime will help as a plea for the case of the one that committed it...
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Denominations and religions aren't of GOD. A true servant of God will never teach a false doctrine. He will never deny new revelation. He never will tell you that the canon of scripture is full, or that the New Testament is the last revelation ever intended to be given to man.
True religion comes from the heart and not by the creeds and dogmas made by men.
Keep it up!
muthe08 4 months ago
Good for Micah. God Bless :)
SCOTTYBEE4JC 4 months ago
awesome!
srvntoflrd 5 months ago
Go to: Mormon dot org for the truth
TheOriginalAnalogKid 5 months ago
@TheOriginalAnalogKid Yeah, of course it's the truth, it's an LDS site! As if they are going to say anything publicly that will make it seem that they aren't the "true church"!! It's a lie! A cult! Jo Smith was a fake!!!
tattoodfreeek 5 months ago
I'm pretty sure atheism is a fairy tale theres a creation without a creator everything comes from nothing.... Lol yeah right. P.s Mormonism is a sneaky cult trust in Jesus alone
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ksa0567 8 months ago
if the baptist minister "convinced" micah that he was wrong, why didn't he convert to a baptist?
austindaw3 8 months ago
@austindaw3
That is a silly question. A baptist does not have a monopoly on Salvation silly. Micah is a biblical Christian. He did not change one religion for another, he entered into a personal relationship with Jesus. Christians do not join a Church, they enter into the Body of Christ.
maximusjay 7 months ago
@maximusjay oh ok......... I think he also said that he's crazy for coco puffs
austindaw3 7 months ago
@austindaw3
No he is a fool for Jesus and you are a fool for the Mormon "Prophet". God Bless
maximusjay 7 months ago
@maximusjay sure..........are you crazy for coco puffs too?
austindaw3 7 months ago
@austindaw3
Sorry I did not understand that you were well..."special".
maximusjay 6 months ago
@maximusjay Your term "special" applies to you and your fellow "christians" or should I say Jesus freaks? I can always count on you so called "christians" to give me a good laugh! Thanks!
austindaw3 6 months ago
@austindaw3
My guess is you are about 12. Stay where you are. I doubt you are accountable.
maximusjay 6 months ago
@maximusjay yes mommy......LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
austindaw3 6 months ago
MY FAIRY TALES ARE MORE REAL THAN YOUR FAIRY TALES!
OOPSitsALLBERRIES 8 months ago
Honestly, I heard this joke from a Rabbi, and thought it apropos: "Why did God create Mormons?" "So Christians could understand what it feels like to be Jewish!"
Xenophile665 10 months ago
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@Xenophile665
"Why did God create Mormons?" "So Christians could understand what it feels like to be Jewish!" The joke would be funny if Christians claimed to be Jews like Mormons do. Armed with that knowledge the joke is a joke.
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
At 4 min: "They said that I was following the path of the devil, I was evil ... I was gonna be damned." This is almost exactly what church members told Matt Dillahunty ...
... when he left the Baptist church and became an atheist.
Xenophile665 10 months ago
"Arrogant, young, Mormon missionary" to arrogant, slightly-older, Baptist missionary -- is that supposed to be an improvement?
Xenophile665 10 months ago
@Xenophile665
yawn...
jonathandavid33 10 months ago
@jonathandavid33 "yawn..."
Scintillating response. Did it really take you four days to come up with it?
Xenophile665 10 months ago
@Xenophile665
Yawn...
jonathandavid33 9 months ago
lol what a crock. christ said take up your cross and follow me. Meaning, get rid of your sins and follow me by the spirit.
osup31 1 year ago
That is not just a little ignorant! Taking up your Cross is making sacrifices in your life for Jesus the Christ, such as leaving Mormonism even when your friends, family and Church threatens to shun you and turning your life over to Him as a living sacrifice. Get rid of your sins? Begin by believing in His Word and stop spitting in his face by following a false gospel brought by an angel of light. Have you ever noticed that Jesus, the only name that can Save is never mentioned in the temple?
jonathandavid33 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33 Wow, I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being in any other church! It isn't a false gospel at all. We have the fulness of the gospel.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"Wow, I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being in any other church!" Welcome to religion and good by to a personal relationship with Jesus. May you one day take upon yourself the name of Jesus Christ instead of striving to do so. May you one day come to know the Truth that you have forsaken in favor of empowerment to men who claim to be of God. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Oh for heaven's sake. The LDS church is all about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's the whole premise of the church. What a thing to say. And then you tell me, "God Bless." Like you are so much superior and know so much more than me. Yet you're so rude and you put down my religion. You haven't even taken the time to understand the doctrines of the church. You just put me down without knowing what the LDS church is about. Internet people are so frustrating.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"It is no secret that many false and... foolish things are being taught... among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus...There are yet others who have an excessive zeal which causes them to go beyond the mark....In an effort to be truer than true they devote themselves to gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous" Bruce R. McConkie. YOU ARE RIGHT. WHAT A THING TO SAY! I am an ex-LDS
GOD BLESS YOU.
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Oh for heaven's sake. You are misunderstanding his quote and you know it. But of course you'll still disagree with me.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"Like you are so much superior and know so much more than me" Obviously you don't know much about it. Why don't you read it from your own Church History. Ever wonder why the Church hates the Cross? It is not for the reasons you think. They are repulsed by it because it strips them of their priesthood authority. Before you say I don't know anything about the "doctrines" of the Church, why don't you refresh my memory on what they are. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 What makes you think I haven't read all these things?? Oh this makes me so mad. You obviously haven't taken Moroni's Promise at the end of the Book of Mormon. You just automatically believe bad things about the Church and misinterpret things, etc.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Contention is of the devil remember. That is your doctrine is it not? What makes me think that you have not read "all these things"? Because if you have then you are a deliberately deceptive person and a hypocrite. You have accused me of "attacking your beliefs" when the entire existence of your Church is an attack against the Body of Christ. Promise at the end of the Book of Mormon? Yes the Devil is in the details indeed. Brainwashing is alive and well in the Mormon Church.
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 The entire existence of the Mormon church is an "attack against the Body of Christ"???? Oh brother. Now I've heard everything. Now I know you don't understand. Anyway, it's just so frustrating when I try to help people, and it's like talking to a wall. I was happier before I started trying to make a difference on these boards and dispel misconceptions about the Mormon church. Now I'm just more upset than ever because I know what people are like. Why did I even bother to try?
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"Oh brother. Now I've heard everything"
I am not your brother. Your brother is Satan. Your Church has said that there is only two Churches, the Mormon Church and the Church of the Devil. Therefore you are attacking silly fool.
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Yes, you are right. Brainwashing is alive and well in the Mormon church. That's what happened to me all those years ago when I first investigated the Mormon church, all on my own. I was brainwashed. I still am, to this day. I don't know WHAT ever possessed me to join this wacky cult. I was SOOOO much better off without it. Thank you so much for enlightening me, Internet People. I shall drop out immediately.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
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@cindybin2001
"Yes, you are right..." You have spoken the Truth. Everything you said is the absolute truth. Now keep your promise and drop out. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Mormons do not take upon them the name of Jesus which would allow them to be called Christians, but rather they promise to strive to do so. This was the case in 1985 and this year when it was once again affirmed.
"What we witness is NOT THAT WE TAKE UPON US HIS (Christ's) NAME but that WE ARE WILLING TO DO SO. In this sense, OUR WILLINGNESS RELATES TO SOME FUTURE EVENT or status WHOSE ATTAINMENT IS NOT self-assumed... ELDER DALLIN H. OAKS After all you can do dear! God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 What the heck??? What do you mean Mormons do not take up on them the name of Jesus??? Who do you think we worship??? John Doe?? George Washington??? I can't believe this!!! We are more Christian than any other church!
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
What do you mean Mormons do not take up on them the name of Jesus???" Take it up with your own Aposltes and Prophet silly.
Who do you think we worship???
Satan of course. "We are more Christian than any other church!" Hooey!
No angry little sister of Satan. You cannot be a Christian if you cannot even take upon yourself His name silly. You strive to take on his name just as your "Prophet" and "Apostles" have taught. You are not a Christian without His Name. I sited 4 U.
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Wow, I had no idea we Mormons worshipped Satan! This is REALLY news to me. Nobody has ever told me this before. I'll inform my Bishop immediately.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Glad to be of service. Now repent! Hebrews 4:3 "For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, "In my anger I took an oath: 'THEY WILL NEVER ENTER MY PLACE OF REST'" even though this rest has been ready since he made the world.
YOU ARE THE 'OTHERS' MY DEAR. Hebrews 4:10 "for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. God Bless you. May the spirit of blindness be lifted from you. Wake up Silly one!
God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 What in the world? You are misinterpreting this. It makes perfect sense to me.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Refute me then from the Bible. Where have I "misrepresented" entering into the Rest of Jesus based on Faith. You are on the path of discovery. Keep going girl! You want the truth right? Your Church has lied to you and is bolstering those lies. You do not strive for a personal relationship with Jesus to become a Christian. You enter into a personal relationship when Him when you have Faith that the Works He did on the Cross are enough then you are Christian. Not before. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Yes! Yes! Yes! I am on the "path of discovery"! I am finding out that the church has LIED to me all these years. But thanks to Internet People like you, I am going to be free! If I could just be deprogrammed a little bit more! Then I can go back to being a "regular person" and sipping "fine wine"! I can hardly wait!!!
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Yes! Yes! Yes!... More absolute Truth. (other than regular person) God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"It makes perfect sense to me" Yes it makes perfect sense. You are not yet a Christian, unless you accepted Jesus before abandoning His Word easy enough. If so then you have fallen from Grace, yet are still saved, only as one escaping through the flames. You will suffer loss for all that you are and have built falsely upon the foundation of Jesus. That is the Word of God. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Here I try to dispel misconceptions about the LDS church, and it's like talking to a wall. Just like on the Yahoo boards where I've tried to dispel misconceptions about lowcarb eating, and it's like talking to a wall. Just like when I speak up against marijuana and alcohol, it's like talking to a wall. What is the deal with Internet People?
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
You have not tried to "dispel" anything. You do not back up anything with scripture from the Bible. You simply babble and whine unresponsively. What's the deal with internet people? What does that have to do with anything? You are living in a delusion. I gave you proof that contradicted your statements, and even though my proof came from your own "Apostles" you ignored it and stuck your head into the sand. A pig once cleaned returns to the mud. You are living proof. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Here I tried to help you, and you reject it. Please read A Marvelous Work and a Wonder by LeGrand Richards. That's what I read over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the LDS church. It helped explain Mormon doctrine so well, using Bible references to clarify things, etc. I highly recommend it. The LDS church is more Christian than any other church; it doesn't ask you to forsake the Bible. It brings you CLOSER to the Bible!
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
I have read his book, seen "The other side of Heaven" I have read the complete series of "Jesus the Christ" have read and studied the Book of Mormon, Church History, pioneer journals, Court documents concerning the Mormons time in the East. So what is your point? You are asking me to swallow a lot of filth along with biblical scripture and accept it as "gospel". In order to accept Mormonism, I have to reject the teachings of Christ. You are not trying to help anyone. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"The LDS church is more Christian than any other church; it doesn't ask you to forsake the Bible. It brings you CLOSER to the Bible!"
Now at least I know you can lie. You cannot be a Christian until you take upon yourself the name of Jesus the Christ. As I have proven, your "Apostles" teach that you STRIVE to take upon his name. If you were a Christian you would have entered into the Sabbath Rest of Jesus and rested of your works toward your own Salvation, taking up the Cross
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"it doesn't ask you to forsake the Bible. It brings you CLOSER to the Bible!" Deceptions and lies! You will sacrifice the Bible to your idol the Temple. You do not believe in the Bible or accept it. You follow the "Prophet" who is a liar, and you did that easy enough. Now you are building falsely on the foundation of Jesus for which you will suffer loss. May God forgive you, however as there is no longer a sacrifice left to cover you, you will pay for your errors. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Wow, I had no idea! This is all news to me...
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Obviously. Your "Prophet" would never lead you astray right? He has taught you so well to worship Satan that you have no idea you are doing it. Where is Jesus mentioned in your "temple"? Who leads you through the veil that was torn in two at the death of Christ on the Cross which allowed us to have a personal relationship with him? This veil that the Mormons sewed back together and restored everything Jesus freed us from. In your ignorance you have refused to enter His rest!
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
Did you know that only the "Prophet" and the "Apostles" of your Church are allowed to say they have a "personal relationship with Jesus"? You see, if anyone else had a personal relationship with Jesus then what would they need with the "Priesthood"? That is the separation between you and Jesus. These men stand between you and Jesus. You will not know if you are Saved until the end. Too bad for you. I know I am Saved here & now. No man stands in between Jesus and myself. God Bless
jonathandavid33 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
"you're so rude and you put down my religion"
“This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth...” “There is no salvation outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints (Mormon Doctrine, p.670) “There are...two churches...; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil;1 Nephi 14:10
Yes dear. I hear ya!
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buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
They will never tell the true story of how a certain rather dim witted mormon missionary sprayed bug spray into his eyes and got kicked out of college because he could not live the covenants of the church...could they "ferris" hypocrite. If you want to spout irrelevant facts? Lets begin with yours and go tit for tat. Ferris enough? I served with you in Florida and Know where your skeletons are buried. Your hatred of he that helped you and did so much for you disgusts me.
jonathandavid33 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33
Actually I got kicked out of college because of bad grades.
And I don't hate him. I'm just saying the whole story doesn't line up. I'm very grateful for the memories we've had together, I love the bug spray story, the fact he used to let me eat there for free, he took great care of me when I was sick, the phone calls.....you're right, I have been a little ungrateful now that you bring that up.
The point is the stories are just not matching... .....
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
Interesting. You are correct the stories do not match at all. Not what you have said or what really happened.
jonathandavid33 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33
Yep I have a few skeletons.......who doesn't? It doesnt matter matter how far the deep end I went, I came back and the atonement covers for that. How can you go out preaching grace to everyone and condeming me for my past when the atonement covers for that too?
buellerferris 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33 you're right, he did do a lot for me................so did the lds church, which is why is hurts so much to see yall fighting an organization that did so much for me growing up
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
I think this whole subject deserves a video of its own. Thanks for the inspiration.
jonathandavid33 1 year ago
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buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
One of the unwritten rules of youtube is you do not mention the names of innocent people. ARE YOU AN IDIOT?
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay are you and jonathan the same?
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
jonathan David? Lol... We know each other. I do not hear from him as often as I would like, but we do fight like cats and dogs why?
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay who is he? he claims he served with me in florida but is never man enough to reveal himself
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
You do not follow the rules of youtube. Why would he reveal himself or trust you?
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay have you heard of something called private message dufus?
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
It would still be a trust issue ignoramus. From what I have heard about you anyone would be a fool to trust you. You pretend to be a friend and then use the information you have gained to attack your friends. I am content not to have known you. Now go back to drooling gout of the corners of your mouth. I have no need for you. Get thee behind me Satan!
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay then the ignoramous is me........at least I have only one username and one ID, unlike you who posts as multiple people............
And I never attacked any of my friends.....I attack their ideas...not any different then them only using information about church leaders just to attack then
And you dont have any authority to call me satan.......and if you think calling me names makes you closer to christ, then im glad we worship different jesus'
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
Brother of Satan: You know what? I have seen your posts before and I have received strange messages from you before that make me question your mental stability. I now think that is a calculated game you play. However, If you are so blind that you think that you do not attack your own friends (Who are also my friends) then I am going to find out exactly who you are and serve you up some of your own stew. Stay tuned.
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jonathandavid33 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33 so last night there was a halloween party, and for my costume I put a garbage bag over me and went as "white trash" funny huh?
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
Not as funny as the guys telling me a story of you screaming like a girl in panic while you were trying to face your fears by climbing up a tiny four story fire-escape, then unable to climb back down, the police came and asked you if you were off your "medication". (Lol...) Classic G.
jonathandavid33 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33
Whatever!!! You thought it was hilarious when it happened!! You thought it was funny how ticklish I was, or how scared I was of heights at the roof of the hotel. By the way, I did face my fears by going to six flags and had a blast.....you may try to ridicule me now in public but you thought it hilarious when it happened
buellerferris 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33 by the way, the height was a lot higher than you're making it
buellerferris 1 year ago
@jonathandavid33 wanna tell them the juan garcia story too?
I was completely speaking portuguese on the phone with a fernando voice and you still fell for it
buellerferris 1 year ago
@buellerferris
I know and love the stories, just as I know and love the fire escape story but I did not hear them first hand, (other than the tickling) I am not who you think I am toots.
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buellerferris 1 year ago
I don't know how many Mormon missionaries go unlearned on their missions. This guy just got stomped because he didn't ask the real question before his mission. "Do we just say 'we have faith' or is faith action?" If it's just 'faith,' then why change for the better? Why was Jesus Christ baptized? Why did Christ serve people? Are you telling me that if His apostles would have said, "Christ we have faith in you, but we don't need to do what you tell us." that they would be saved? What is saved?
HealthyLivingOils 1 year ago
@HealthyLivingOils
So why do you not do what Christ tells you to do?
He was not "Stomped" as you say, he was Saved by Grace. Why? Because he came to know the Truth and he refused to deny it even under LDS persecution.
Do you know where you will go when you die? Micah does.
Christ was Baptized to fulfill Prophecy by the way. He was Baptized by John and not into Christ was he SIlly one. If He was Baptized to be Saved then He would have had to be Baptized into Himself. You are so Silly!
maximusjay 1 year ago
Powerful .. Once Jesus becomes Lord in your life nothing can stand against you .. You will have struggles and you can have questions but Jesus will be there for you at every turn ... The Victory is already His.
hammerogod 1 year ago
That's a misunderstanding. I didn't say that Mormons don't believe that Jesus died for their sins. I said that you've assumed that Christians from different denominations aren't united as ONE church. You have different buildings with different wards and such. We have different buildings and different ways of worshiping BUT WE WHO BELIEVE THE SAME FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS about who Jesus is and have a personal relationship with him are ONE CHURCH.
HopeAndAFuture777 1 year ago
@HopeAndAFuture777
Adam's Road attends over a hundred different Christian churches from all denominations with the exception of Catholic and they have repeatedly said that the belief that there is so much division in the denominations is a lie. The songs they sing are universal and mainstream in all the Churches. They provide their lyrics for all to see as they sing, so it anyone wants to see what the Churches are agreeing on, listen to the Music of Adam's Road. Stop believing the lies.
maximusjay 1 year ago
give you so much credit Brother. It is hard to leave what you were raised with even for the Truth but Matthew 15:3 perfectly shows what you did is the right thing.
darkwinter76 1 year ago
that man must have been the devil. ha
bryRANdavidrude 1 year ago
I'll just say that this guy with his tv show wouldnt have a job if it werent for the mormon church so he owes the mormon church every single time he bites the hand that feeds him!!!!!!
dcardona87 2 years ago
Speaking of the aforementioned "Cognitive dissonance."
theminimumdog 2 years ago
If we dont have to do anything to be saved then why does say in James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
dcardona87 2 years ago
No one says we don't have to do anything to be saved. Re:
James 1:5 - If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Mormon missionaries like to use this verse when introducing you to the Book of Mormon. They will encourage you to pray to God for wisdom to know if the Book of Mormon is true. I like to answer this a few different ways.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Can you show me where the Bible says to pray about it to see if it is true? Suppose I were to pray to God for wisdom to determine if the Bible is true and he said no? What if I prayed to God for wisdom to know whether the Muslim Quran is true and he said yes; how would I know for sure what to believe?
theminimumdog 2 years ago
The Bible never prompts its readers to pray to determine whether or not it is the Word of God. Rather, it says that we must believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God (1 John 4:1). You may also remind them that the Bereans were commended, in Acts 17:11, because they did not immediately believe everything the Apostle Paul said, but they tested Pauls message by examining it in light of the available scriptures.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Proverbs 14:12 to them which states: There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of deathBy failing to practice the Biblical test to determine truth opens us up to believing in deceptive, changing feelings of man. In addition, we may also open ourselves up to the influence of deceiving spirits since Satan and his angels are well known to transform themselves into angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:14-15).
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Therefore, what we believe to be truth from God may really be a satanic trick to fool you into believing a lie.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Knowledge is based on known facts. Wisdom is based on the application of those facts. I often ask a Mormon Do you think I should pray to see whether 1+1=2? Obviously the answer is no because that is an established fact. The Book of Mormon can be treated in the same way. Since, by testing it in the light of Scripture, we already have knowledge that it contains information that contradicts the established facts of the Bible, hence, we need not pray about its authenticity as coming from God
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Are you serious??????????? you answered your own question James 1:5 please im done with this stupidity.
dcardona87 2 years ago
@dcardona87 YOU are the blind and foolish one. You are correct that I answered the question about James 1:5. It totally contradicts the Mormon misuse of the text. Joseph Smith did not know what he was talking about concerning the verse. Sadly, you believe his lies over the clear truth I presented here.
I do hope you are done with the stupidity that is found in the corpus of mormonism. If so, I rejoice with you.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
No i said that James 1:5 is very clear in showing we need to pray to know what is truth. I will never leave the true church. what i meant is im done with the stupidity of arguing so leave me alone.
dcardona87 2 years ago
No. Wrong. James 1:5 does not teach we need to pray to know what is truth. Go look at the chapter. V 1 starts My brethren. James is speaking to Christians. The chapter is about seeking wisdom for facing the trials, testing and temptations in life. If you choose to believe error, that is your choice. You will face the consequences.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Cognitive dissonance is a state of opposition between cognitions. For the purpose of cognitive consistency theory, cognitions are defined as being an attitude, emotion, belief or value, or even a mixture of these. In brief, the theory of cognitive dissonance holds that contradicting cognitions serve as a driving force that compels the human mind to acquire or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@theminimumdog
Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, Mark 11:24, John 14:13, John 16:23, John 15:7, Philippians 4:6, 1 John 3:22 If you ask for truth in Prayer ye shall recieve truth by Prayer.
dcardona87 2 years ago
Some say that the condition masks a serious trauma the person has suffered - sexual abuse, an attack, war, and so on. I wonder if that would include the psychological abuse one suffers when they are made to believe that they are not doing enough for the Mormon God and the people you want most in the world to protect you, your parents, tell you in so many ways that you're just not doing enough, not faithful enough, don't study the "scriptures" enough, YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLEASE GOD.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
wow i just answered in the most simplest terms and you come back to me with that response that has nothing to do with what we are talking about i think you have the psychologial problems. its better to end this now because your not making any sense.
dcardona87 2 years ago
Typical mormon response, lie and twist what was said, add in an ad homenum attack for good measure. Oh, and lets not forget the tried and true straw-man argument.
Kinda like "lying for the Lord" right? Don't you have some genology work to do? maybe prepare your FHE lesson. Oh, right you are only 10 years old and have not received your "calling" for that yet.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@theminimumdog hehe-- you're funny... in a sociopathic sort of way...
JRM008 2 years ago
dc why don't you stop citing what the Church picks and chooses from and start reading how the priesthood became obsolete. How Christ can be the only holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood and How Grace comes through Faith and not by Works lest anyone boast. How the Law (10 commandments) was fulfilled and replaced with the Law of Love. Stop being fooled by a bunch of greedy old men that hunger for power and wealth. If you think I do not speak the Truth then show me in the Bible where I am wrong.
maximusjay 2 years ago
Thank you bro. maxi. Well said. These lds who post here may be nearer to finding truth than we realize.
Keep on keeping on, my friend.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Controversy (or arguing) for the sake of controversy is sin. Controversy for the sake of truth is a divine command. (Read Jude 3) . But for truths sake, go study James chapter one and the previous posts I stated concerning the text in James. Knowledge of the truth will set you free. Thats all.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
What a joke. That guy is a douche. He obviously wasn't truely "into" anything to have had such a "conversion" experience on his mission... Anyone who stands there and says that "all things are fullfilled in Jesus" just strike me as lazyasses who really just found a "way out" of whatever it was they were running from to begin with. Everything church has a standard. To violate is the #1 reason anyone leaves it. It's like Amish peps-- they leave not for disbelief, but for a lifestyle change.
JRM008 2 years ago
"Anyone who stands there and says that "all things are fullfilled in Jesus" just strike me as lazyasses" Matthew 26:56
But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled."
Matthew 24:26
"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.
metotgma 2 years ago 2
Don't quote scriptures without quoting contexts please. We could go back and forth of years doing just that alone... Why don't you execute some common sense for a moment? Jesus = the way to salvation. Soooo-- that means just by believing in his existance we are saved? What do YOU believe exactly. And don't quote me scripture. I want to know what YOU believe, not what the bible says-- you're interpretation is ONLY as good as the next guys. So please, share me your PERSONAL convictions.
JRM008 2 years ago
@JRM I did quote in context. As usual you cannot explaing your earning your LDS "exaltation" in light of the clear teaching of the verse I posted. Common sense: Why don't you go wash your eyes in the weber river and go read the verse and the question I asked you again. I will continue to quote you scripture, silly, The SCRIPTURE is what I BELIEVE. Have I made myself CLEAR ENOUGH?? Now, stop wasting my time, tell me how your acheiving LDS exaltation coincides with the verse.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
I never said that "believing in Jesus existence is how we are saved" you liar, you. Pull your head out of your mormon arse and deal with the issue you coward.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
JRM008, does calling somebody a douche, lazy, and referencing cuss words like you did in your message to me = "throwing off or denying yourself all ungodliness? Moroni 10:32 Is this your deligent labor to pursuade children? (2 Nephi 25:23)
You should remember what Alma 11:37 says "He cannot save them in their sins...no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of God"
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago
Those who gain exaltation in the celestial kingdom are.... ; in other words, those who keep all the commandments of the Lord... by receiving the blessings of the house of the Lord and overcoming all things. Thus we become heirs, priests, and kings, who have received of his fullness, and of his glory, who shall dwell in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever, with full exaltation. (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:4142.)
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago
Am I to presume that you are Micah? I don't pretend to be perfect-- you know nothing about me-- only that I take an interest in the church's doctrine-- as well as that from other churches. I just try to be fair. And yes, actually, honesty is a virtue. You look, sound, and act like a douche. A big, lazy, douche. So there you have it. The person talking in this video seems bizarrly fake to himself. Just my opinion I suppose.
JRM008 2 years ago
Wow, good come back. Insulting and name calling again. I am sure that Joseph Smith and Jesus would be proud. You know, if you plan to be exalted one day , you should learn to explain things better. You're right, I don't know a lot about you. I do know at least one thing: you arent perfect and neither am I. Romans 3:23 says for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This is an important principle to wrap your mind and heart around bc you and I are in the same boat in this.
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago
@TackleboxMinistries To quote a very wise man... "No, there is a difference between us. Yes we both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back... YOU blinked." I need not explain myself further as I don't really need to explain myself to you at all. My explainations have been without falter. The only thing amusing to me about this is this interesting fact: I'm not one of "them." I never even said I was christian. I just believe unity, and not in destroying the faith of others.
JRM008 2 years ago
Yeah...How's that "gaining exaltation" thing going for ya?
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@theminimumdog I know I've been sleeping well the last few nights. You? =D
JRM008 2 years ago
me too
jonniebones 2 years ago
JRM-my question was not how you been sleeping, it was "how is that gaining exaltatation" thing working out for ya?
Have you done all that you can do? Are you sure? Explain Titus 3:5-9 for us as it relates to mormon "exaltation". Especially verse 5. (If you can).
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Are you perfect, right now? No? Matthew 5:48 says to be perfect, not become perfect. The verse is in the present tense. We are not commanded to get it right in the future but to be perfect, right now! Just like your boss telling you to be on time doesnt mean to be on time a month from now, but immediately. Once you understand this (it may take a while),that I am perfect, right now!Think about that. Read Hebrews 10:14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Wow... so you mean to tell me that YOU are PERFECT already then?????? We can't be perfect. But we are expected to strive towards excellence in becomming more like Christ. The more excellent we become, the more perfect we are made.
JRM008 2 years ago
@JRM. I am PERFECT according to Hebrews 10:14. Why? Because I as a Christian am robed with the righteousness that the shed blood of Jesus imparted to me by my faith in his FINISHED work at the Cross and resurection. Sadly, if you are trusting in your mormon works, et al. to get you to some heavenly kingdom you are yet lost in your sin. Dammed and on your way to hell, The bible says the sentence on wrath is onall who are lost.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@theminimumdog And you sir just become the laughing stock of ALOT of people here. Thanks for the entertainment.
JRM008 2 years ago
. Notice the past tense. Jesus has already made those perfect who come to Him by faith, trusting in His finished work of redemption. You should also study and read Ephesians 2:8-9. That contains the gospel. NOT what mormonism teaches.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
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JRM008 2 years ago
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JRM008 2 years ago
It works out just fine actually. I've already explained how grace and works corrolate in other posts, as well as brought up the debate over the definition of perfection based on what Christ taught.
JRM008 2 years ago
Wow I've been reading your comments here about these subjects and I am Happy to know that there are people here of a diffrent faith that uses common sense it doesnt matter wheather your mormon or cristian of catholic or whatever you my man use common sense. i became a fan of you just reading your comments. to me is just as simple as you stated it. i hope other people become more like you! your a very smart person.
dcardona87 2 years ago
Of the few Matts in the world, there are thousands of people that come to find out that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true church.
I am one of them. I hope you will pray to know. Heavenly Father loves you and will help guide you to the truth.
Of course Jesus Christ is who saves us. The LDS church believes that.
gord1921 2 years ago
no you dont. you believe that you save yourself. Moroni 10:32 &
For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." - 2 Nephi 25:23
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago
Read your own quote buddy - from the Book of Mormon no less. I know that I can do NOTHING without Jesus Christ. Don't tell me what I do and don't believe.
gord1921 2 years ago
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OK....i stand corrected. let me re-phrase:
if you believe in the doctrine of the LDS then you believe in a salvation that requires you do good works in order to recieve it. "for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." - 2 Nephi 25:23 "
"after all we can do" the Jesus of the LDS is not sufficient alone for salvation, he needs your help in to carry it out.
if you are not a mormon or refute this teaching then maybe i mis-spoke and if so, I do apologize
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago
this brings about the question: what would you say it takes to find salvation?
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago
It requires faith, and faith without works is DEAD. From the bible, no less. I don't get what the big deal is on this subject. I don't think mormons think that Jesus can't do it alone. He is offering it to all, but we only have to accept it. How do we accept it? By coming to Him. How do we come to Him? By showing our faith, keeping the commandments and doing what He asks. Don't you believe that you need to have "alive" faith to be saved?
gord1921 2 years ago
@gord1921 , Have you ever read the Journal of Discourses? Very helpful. Joseph F. Smith (10th Pres.) wrote in the 1970 edition of Doctrines of Salvation, "But man may commit certain grievous sins--according to his light and knowledge--that will place him BEYOND THE REACH OF THE ATONING BLOOD OF CHRIST. If then he would be saved he must make sacrifice of his own life--so far as in his power lies--for that sin, for the BLOOD OF CHRIST ALONE under certain circumstances will NOT AVAIL..."
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
Did you ever read what sins were that grevious? Few people in the history of mankind have gotten that far. In the Bible it even says that he who denys the Spirit will not have forgiveness in this world or the next. I don't think we can even comprehend the state of the people who have committed these types of sins.
gord1921 2 years ago
Denying the spirit of God (denying God) means you never accept him into your life which means that you never asked for forgiveness. Revelation 3:20 says that God stands at the door of our hearts and knocks. If we ask him to come in and forgive us he will, if we don't he won't. Young and Smith taught that lots of sins were unforgivable unless the sinners own blood was shed. Among the sins: adultery, murder, and even marriage to an African. J of D Vol 3 p 247; Vol 4 p 219-220, p. 49-51; ....
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
In case you don't have access to Journal of Discourses I thought I'd put a quote from it. Vol3 P247 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances , I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands." B Young
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
Continuing on with quote from volume 3 page 247 about adultery Brigham Young said, "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your OWN BLOOD must atone for it.." I guess my main problem with this is that the Bible is very clear about the fact that Christ's blood canceled ALL our sin. Why did Christ have to die if his blood wasn't powerful enough to wipe out all our sins?
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
I have no idea. I'll study it up and get back to you thanks.
As for your quote, "Denying the spirit of God (denying God) means you never accept him into your life which means that you never asked for forgiveness" - that seems to be up to interpretation to me by any number of religions.
I am sure there is tons I don't know about the church, about life, about God. His ways are much higher than any of ours.
gord1921 2 years ago
Okay. It would be great if you could get back to me whenever you get a chance.
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
Also, if you take away the "Brigham Young the Prophet" and focus on "Brigham Young, the struggling, normal, average man, who is trying to lay down the law in a new terran" I think that there were obvious scare tactics involved in these quotes-- and as such aren't focused on today. That quote was speciffically from a man to a people from which neither side we can infer all the possible meanings behind. I just as soon disreguard it altogether for the bigger picture of actual "doctrine."
JRM008 2 years ago
I have hundreds of the same kinds of quotes but I'm sure you would just as soon disregard them all. Of course.
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
Yes. I would actually. I'm glad it's starting to sink in. Brigham Young once quoted that he wanted the saints of Utah to kill the militiamen when they were approaching Salt Lake at one point because they knew that they were comming to possibly raid the temple site. I think of myself if I lived in the day-- considering that I looked at him as a prophet-- how would I react to that? Later Brigham came back and announced he had been wrong and allowed his anger to get to him.
JRM008 2 years ago
Instead, the saints were to be hospitable a kind to the milita. That's a bit more prophet-like, don't you think? But what if the first quote was recorded and not the second one... When dealing with prophets, we are dealing with fallable men my friend. There's nothing wrong with the the fact they make mistakes. I recall a destroying angel waiting outside of Moses' tent once because he failed to circumcise one of his children on time... he was forgiven, but that was big deal when it happened.
JRM008 2 years ago
Everything that came out of the Early Prophets' mouths was recorded. You have to be smart when you approach those writings to gain the knowledge of what is and what isn't pertainant to your salvation... WAIT A SEC? Did I just have an epiphany???
JRM008 2 years ago
Does god not require restitution as part of repentance? He does. How do you reconcile murder? Or, fornification? Do you believe there is no restitution needed to wipe away sin? I just give a couple "hail Mary's" and all is forgiven??? JUST LIKE THAT??? Get your head out of the book and think common sense for a second. And then just tell me-- what do YOU believe about repentance?
JRM008 2 years ago
In the Psalms David writes that God knows our hearts. If we are truly repentant we will want to turn away from our sin and follow Christ. Not always possible and God still forgives (i.e. thief on the cross was still going to heaven and he had no time to give back what he stole.) My point was that Young and Smith taught that the sinner's blood had to be shed in order to atone for their sins. If this is true then why did Christ have to die? His blood covers some sins (the "small" one's)?
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
Wrong, the teaching is that blood is part of restitution for some sins. Your definition of everything is backward from what mormons (and other christians, for that matter) believe. Christ said he'd see the thief in "paradise." And there will be a restitution to made on their heads when they get to where they are going on the other side. I believe all things must come to balance, and even the dead have time between this world and the last judgement to make that up.
JRM008 2 years ago
Colossians 2:13-15 "When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us ALL our sins having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
That was a reference to the mosaic law. Stop quoting scriptures-- this is what I believe vs. what you believe. I could quote the same scriptures and give you a dozen different interpretations of them if I wanted-- and ALL OF THEM would be just as legitimate as yours. Thank You. If you want to say "well, this is what the scripture says, so I believe... etc." , that's perfectly fine-- but I don't feel like having open-ended quotes that are meaningless except to surport an opionion.
JRM008 2 years ago
So the shedding of the sinner's blood is necessary for salvation for "some" sins?
HopeAndAFuture777 2 years ago
Necessary? We honestly don't know, nor take an official stance. Does it help? Probably-- if common sense can dictate truth that any restitution of a crime will help as a plea for the case of the one that committed it...
JRM008 2 years ago