As-salamu 'alaykum. May Allah reward you. Just a small correction. Seven of the Qira'aat are mutawatir, and three are mashhur. The latter does not mean questionable as you wrongly state.
Also have you ever heard about the oldest pre-Uthman Qur'an manuscript found in Sana, Yemen? Islamic scholars are doing their best to squelch this discovery, because it shows how different the oldest Qur'an manuscripts were to the present version.
In great contrast, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls are now available to the public and they confirm that the Bible text we now have has not been changed and is reliable. The true God does indeed preserve His word!
Rocco, please do research from unbiased sources, not fundamentalist Christian websites. There are no differences among Quranic manuscripts.
Show me some actual authentic proof for what you say about alleged Ibn Masud and Ubay copies. Not hearsay by orientalists and Christian polemics.
On the other hand, Christian Biblical scholars themselves know the Bible has been changed, and tons of ancient gospels not in the Bible. Many of them even left Christianity as a result (read Bart Ehrman).
Farhan-you try to explain away the fact, that there are indeed major differences in various ancient manuscripts of the Qur'an, by explaining them away as mere dialect diferences. That is not correct. Ubay's manuscript had the words "and he is a father to them" in there, S.33:6, Uthman's does not. Mas'uud's manuscript didn't recognize Sure 1, 113&114. And Shiite scholars can prove verses pointing to Ali were omitted. Uthman burned the older manuscripts to conceal these contradicting Qur'ans.
Farhan, my brother, Alhumdulillah, Allah has granted you with a lot of knowledge. instead of focusing your attention on why ahmadi muslims are wrong, you should try to defend Islam. most people have a bad impression of Islam, you need to show them the true beauty of our religion
your videos are focusing on the wrong thing, you should be defending Islam which is being attacked on a massive scale thnxz to clowns like Osama and al Zahira. U got skills use them appropriately.
You cult of Mirza is part of war against Islam.Islam is a clear message,your cult denies this clear message of Islam.Your cult also replaced Quran with dirty writings of Mirza Ghulam, the liar. When your cult leaders stop spreading the lies of Mirza Ghulam, then we can talk about joining ranks.
I think he's right to say that we should be criticizing people like bin Laden, but at the same time we should be defending Islam from the evils of Ahmadiyya.
I think it is the non-Ahmadi Muslims who are guilty of blindly following the 'authority' of scholars like Maudoodi, Dr. Israr or Zakir Naik.
When asked questions about apostasy or Hazrat Isa (as) you are too quick to dismiss these issues as irrelevant or not applicable to the issue of who is following the true teachings of Islam.
I would argue that followers of such 'scholars' are in a cult. Why? Well according to them if you leave their version of Islam you should be killed!
Thanks brother for your kind advice. But you miss one point here. The issue in focus is Qadiani cult here. We're discussing the lies of Mirza Ghulam.Qadiani propaganda is similar to other kafirs propaganda, they divert our attention to other problems like OBL,terrorism and etc. On this thread of this video Qadianis do everything but to respond to the points that you raised. That's their tactics,blame mullas&terrorists etc.Anyway,Jazaka Allah khair for your work.May Allah reward you greatly.
ok so Farhan00 u say that Ahamdiyya is an evil for Islam. Can you describe what Islam would be like if every Muslim followed Islam properly (through Ahmadiyyat) HUH?! WHy dont u describe for us how the Ummah would be? -----I THOUGHT SO!
so u r asking me if i love satan... if i say no u gona laugh and if i say yes u gona say since u r ahmadis i expect u to love him.. just like u guys we r no different except in us there is more patience and i've seen alot killing brother muslims i think u misintrept the text in the Holy Quran.. read again and try ur best to figure out wat Holy Quran says abt killing.. once u found tat tell me then who follows satan and who does'nt..
the other day i had an interesting with the new kid at school (danish)
him-what kind of muslim are you
me- Ahmadi
him- goo. Ahmadies and Sunnis are both peaceful people because we follow the religion of Muhammad SAW, unlike the shias
me- (my eyebrows went up!)hey lets play some ball.
I was shocked that he had on one hand siad that Ahmadies are (good)Muslims and on the other saying they are much more peaceful than the Shias(whom he villanified) -he also lied tht he red Zuhr evryday at lunch,
and so far here where i live he is probably the best Sunni Muslim i have met in my entire life because he unlike all the other Afghans, Turks, and what not, he actually reads namaz more often then just every friday or even worse only on Eid.
Sunnis in Canada: young girl named Aqsa murdered at the hands of her father in Missiaga, and 22 brohters from Brampton arested for alegedlyy plotting to destroy landmarks and behaeding the president.
If there is anyone who can say "who needs a messiah!?!
*Prime Minister (srry to into Us elecitons rite now)
Conclusion: You can say that o its only a small percentage. But look at how its even a problem in Canada. Canada! Now You know theres a serios problem with Muslims. Maybe theres a reason why noone can name a single Ahmadi Terrorist. Maybe theres a reason why Muslims are so badly hated by most the entire world. rite now Muslim are undoubtly at the bottom of the ladder od peaceful religions yet it means pc
@Farhan00 and Co. I just uploaded another video presentations about an important issue about Quran, would you kindly explain us these clear cut contradictions and errors ?? you claimed once that there is absolutely no error in Quran, I have exposed some of these errors right here for you.
MindMaster. There is no contradiction in the Holy Quran. The only contradiction is between yourself and righteousness. Tell me if you are so righteous, have these questions not already been answered by Muslims? No matter what answer is given you will surely come around to say that it doesn't make sense. So why should the Muslims waste time on answering you. You are just jealous of Quran since your own book is corrupt and promotes incest.
@AhmadiMuslim76..If there is no contradiction in Quran then there should b no problem for you to prove that ? can you prove that to us ? can you prove that Quran is from Allah ? what prove do you have ? None. And by the way Quran tells us that Books like Injil or Torah are as important and valid as Quran itself, from whr did you invent this corruption thoery, seems you people are only good in making lofty claims.
@AhmadiMuslim76..if you belief in Quran then you can not blame any other book, either Injil or Torah at all, as your quran agreed that these books are not corrupted, if you say these are corrupted then you do not belief on Quran. About the promotion of incest..did u read the Quran clearly my dear, or did you read the Hadiths ? who is promoting incest is clear like day light, if you wanna start the debate on it, please jump in and lets see what happend.. & BTW can u answer the questions ??
You are not well educated about the translations of the Holy Quran.If you read the verse again and ponder a little bit you will realize that Khatim will not make any sense at all even if we believe that the word is not Khatum but Khatim.Who did he finish by being Khatim.Prophet Muhammad pbuh couldn't even finish Hazrat Eisa asw according to your beliefs.There is a hadith that hazrat Ali ra told thr person teaching Qira'an to his children to teach Katum with zabar on "TA".
So you reject the Qira'a? Even the Ahmadi Murabbis accept them
The Hadith doesn't invalidate the other Qira'at. The Warsh Qira'a was compiled via narrations from the Companions, just like the Hadith of 'Ali.
Also, being the Last Prophet does not mean 'Esa cannot return, since 'Esa was Prophet BEFORE Muhammad. For example, the last of a set of siblings is not the last to die, it is the last to be born. Therefore, Muhammad is the last of the Prophets and it doe snot contradict 'Esa's return
Farhan00. That old Isa (as) is dead and will not come again. Quran stands witness to it. Moreover, what will he teach you if he comes? You already reject him as irrelevant to Muslims. Muhammad (saw) has made him your imam but you reject him only as relevant to Jews and christians. What benefit will he be to Muslims in their spiritual connection with God?
Farhan00. I didn't think this was addressed to me because I had already answered this question a few times now in other discussions with you. Anyway here it is once again. Yes I believe in the different Qir'ats of Quran. See my first video in response to your initial video on "Khatam" vs "Khatim".
Farhan00. In my view only law bearing prophets can bring laws and non-law-bearing prophets and non-prophets (i.e. Khulafa) can work within those confines.
no worrying your progeny will be raising the flag of real Islam and Ahamdiyyat in the future. You are trying to attain the pleasure of Allah but, in reality and ironically u are doing the EXACT opposite. What do u think of the story of Jesus Christ by the Promised Messiah (as). What do u have to say about the foot prints found in the tomb in Kashmir with evident scars on the foot.
en mass" - are u furreal. Jus cause Arabian boy ther (the guy tring to look like he is) left o whats his name- doesnt really mater -oesn't mean lot have left. in fact barely ANYONE, honestly orthodox guy is the first person ive heard of here in Canada. Beside orthodox boy i had never seen him at the mosque or at events so its no wonder he left, its only his loss and he will deeply regret with shame.soon. and o ye if yur gonna blow somthin up try tellin your boys not to get caight nex time.
People have been emailing me talking about how they left Ahmadiyyah. I personally know an entire family who left Ahmadiyyah and accepted Real Islam.
Orthodox (Farhan) is in contact with many others who have left Ahmadiyyah.
There are dozens of ex-Ahmadis on Youtube, many who have left and others who are questioning.
The Ahmadi Murabbis can paint an ugly picture of "Mullahs" in Pakistan to the youth. But, not in the West when the "Mullah" Muslims are their buddies from school.
Insha'Allah, the "Mullah" Muslims in the West will accept Islam Ahmadiyya as well.
As for your comments on people leaving, you make it appear as if tens of millions of people are leaving Islam Ahmadiyya....Actually it is the OPPOSITE...Tens of millions have become Ahmadi.
After our Holy Prophet's (saw) many became apostates but the caravan of Islam still continued to flourish. So raising arguments of such nature are irrelevant.
Well, I do not expect you to know all of them, but can you at least name a few?
Ahamdis often say to me "You just follow your mullahs." I wonder which of my teachers they're referring to in specific. I've never referred to one of my Sheyookh as a Mullah...
You know that thats a lie...there is no phenomena going on as you paint it. First of all, people have always left religion and thats there own weakness. People have left Islam, they continue to..Is that a phenomena? It happens. Anyways, as our Huzoor has said that we do not need such people, whose faith is so weak. They can leave if they please to but they will never find comfort. Why is it that your boy Farhan orthodox still comes to Ahmadi mosques.if he so hates us and is against our doctrine.
farhan00.. I don't know about ahmadies either leaving ahmadiyya or not but I know for sure that Muslims are leaving Islam in Masses !! think abou them and see the contradictions you people have in your statements and faith.
no worrying your progeny will be raising the flag of real Islam and Ahamdiyyat in the future. You are trying to attain the pleasure of Allah but, in reality and ironically u are doing the EXACT opposite. What do u think of the story of Jesus Christ by the Promised Messiah (as). What do u have to say about the foot prints found in the tomb in Kashmir with evident scars on the foot.
Why do you suddenly jump to conclusions?!! 1. The Word of God stands supreme. 2. This is followed by the actual practices of the Holy Prophet . This is known as sunnah. 3. This is followed by hadith, the words reported to be those of the Holy Prophet(saw)
Go read 'Murder in the Name of Allah' by Mirza Tahir Ahmad (ra) go to Chapter 7 'Punishment for Apostasy' and read how Sunnah and Hadith are interpreted by Ahmadis.
Oh yah...I don't want to "DECIEVE YOU". So when you go to that page, you are going to have to scroll down a bit before you find the explanation of how Hadith is studied.
no worrying your progeny will be raising the flag of real Islam and Ahamdiyyat in the future. You are trying to attain the pleasure of Allah but, in reality and ironically u are doing the EXACT opposite. What do u think of the story of Jesus Christ by the Promised Messiah (as). What do u have to say about the foot prints found in the tomb in Kashmir with evident scars on the foot.
May Allah guide the misguided Ahmadiyyahs. Good Lecture! Allah bless you brother Farhan. Always stand with the truth. Falsehood destroyed against the truth. I was watching some videos regarding this issue, really shocked how the verses and authentic sources are twisted to device another ideology.
They rely more on logic than on evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah. Logic is an excellent tool, but it does not overtake Revelation.
And if they cannot reconcile the two, they reinterpret the Qur'an and Sunnah to conform to their beliefs. You will notice that many things in their religion are metaphors.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the KING of Metaphor. Pretty much half of their religion is metaphorical re-interpretation of Qur'an and Sunnah. Anything which conflicts with his claims is turned into a metaphor.
farhan00.. who ever is calling u dirty mullah is ignorant and stupid. u do not have to pay attention to them. Any how, can you please reply to my question more clearly that what is the role of the Beast in future? you said earlier, I am confusing it .. with what? if I may ask? and also will this Beast appear before Isa as or after Him? if Allah deliver his message through this Beast then why Allah has to snd Isa once again? you see it does not make any sence, I think u r confusing things. Peace
The Beast is named al-Jasasa who will go to all people and give the believers glad tidings and write on their forehead Mu'min while he will harm the disbelievers and write on their foreheads "Kafir".
Farhan my dear I am sorry, but this is absurd to mention that this "animal" will deliver message of God to humans, what about Quran, where we learned that only Humans were supposed to deliver message to humans? it is a fairy tale and u belief it.. go ahead, but just do not expect from others that they will ever belief you that you belief on the Finality of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)
Do you believe that the resurrection is absurd? The kufar of Arabia used to mock the Prophet by saying "Do you really believe in this fairy-tale resurrection? How can we come back to life when we're dead and bones?" Surah Israa, Verse 50-51
Your approach is exactly the same as the Kufar of Arabia: rejection because you have never seen anything like it
Rather, one should accept the Prophet's words, even if you do not necessarily understand them, and not seek to change their meanings
Even if people sought to make the words of the Prophet a series of metaphors, no one would care. But, the moment they believe in another Prophet, they are no longer considered Muslims
Aoa brother this verse is going to be discussed here i guess?
And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs. (27:82)
Note at the end it says that "for that mandkind did not belive wth The signs of Allah" Does signs has anything to do with revelations. Still Allah shows Thousands of his signs. Also note this line in the video of phippi 46 (last)
A beast will emerge from the earth, and with it will be the staff of Musa and the ring of Sulayman, peace be upon them both. It will strike the nose of the disbelievers with the staff, and it will make the face of the believer bright with the ring, until when people gather to eat, they will be able to recognize the believers from the disbelievers.> It also was recorded by Imam Ahmad, with the wording...(Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi recorded from Abu Hurayrah)
i dont understand that does this beast has any concern with End of the prophets? do you really think?, If you observe that there were lot of things happend after Rasool Allah and they all were signs of God, it also means that those all things had some relation with end of the prophets? i didnt understand what is the logic
looking4right.. my dear it if u claim that the last and final message has been delivered by the Holy Prophet then there is no justification for this Animal to come and act on the behalf of Allah, convey yet another message to people! why Allah need an animal whr He can sent a human for that job! 2nd will this animal come befofore Isa or after Him? if before, then why Allah need to snd Isa? and if u say, no after Isa then will Isa fail in His mission that Allah may snd this Animal? my dear cont
First of alla you seems to be confusing, the main clash between ahmadis/bhahis and muslims is that there will be no prophet after rasool allah, the word here is "prophet". Now you should take some lectures or should study some articles that what is the difference between prophets or beasts. As per our belief that no one will ever come to guide the people becuase Rasool Allah came and guided us with the help of Quran and Quran is enough for our salvation.
Now if Dajjal comes or a beast they are not comming for the guidence of people instead they are Azab for mankind who do not listen. There are lot of example on the earath of Azab-e-Allah. So take it inside your mind the beast will come not to guide people instead for punishing disbelivers. This is the sign of God which does not have to do anything with the Guidence of Humanity. I guess your confusion has been answered here. No Prophet can come. Learn the meaning of Prophet.
looking4right.. my dear, the belief of "Muslims" should be error free, if Ahmadies are wrong? what we see here are contradiction upon contradiction in muslim belief, and then we hear lectures upon lectures from "Ullemas" that we should correct our selfs? Lol.. it is clear, that muslims are creating fairy tales stories, distorting Quranic meanings and blindly follow conjectures, and then they have courage to blame others !! great. Pls clear us this so called animal, why Allah snd an animal??
@farhan00..I do not claim, if I do not know a thing, I do not belief "blindly" nor I think Islam teaches to follow it blindly. what u came up is called "circle reasoning" and it is not a prove! can u prove resurrection without quoting Quran? if ur beliefs are so strong and error free, my dear u will not have any problem correcting me and guiding me. 2nd u said, one should accept "Prophets's words" .. I thought, Quran is the word of Allah and not the words of Prophet, but now u entlighten me..
@farhan00.. my dear friend, pls look what kind of beliefs are u attaching with Quran, is there any logic that Allah will snd some kind of animal to humans, creating contradiction in Quranic message? u want to accept it because it will serve only ur approach. U can not bring any logic in absurdity, and I think u r wise enough to know that, so instead of inventing stories, pls see the real meaning hehind them, if a "messenger" can come then see it is better to have a human, instead of animals.
:-) I won't comment on other things. But I couldn't stop replying this one, "..my dear u will not have any problem correcting me and guiding me". What? Farhan will guide you? Do you think any human being can guide any other human being? It is ALLAH who guides people, not human beings. As human being even Muhammad (SA)was a distributer, The GIVER of understanding is only ALLAH. May ALLAH guide you.
As ALLAH said in Surah Hujurat verse 13 that HE created human beings from males and females and divided them into tribes and groups so that we may know one other. It's Allah's Wisdom that we can differentiate Good and Evil seeing the sects. And anybody who believes in one Allah and Muhammad (SA) as the SEAL of prophets is a Muslim. And final decider is only ALLAH. Done.
That is what the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been saying to those who call the Ahmadis "non-Muslims". In the East we are persecuted because fanatics spread lies about us.
No Muslim has the right to call anybody a "non-Muslim", especially if that person himself says that he is a Muslim.
The Ahmadis believe that the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.). That is fundamentally the only difference!
But, one point here, for putting Allah as the judge you have to rely on Allah's words and HIS messenger's words, not by twisting it. Often the things are twisted in such a way that it goes nowhere. The verses that often the Ahmadiyyahs use are of wrong translation. Anyway, gather more knowledge and Insha-Allah Allah will guide you. Peace. Done Take care :-)
First point, Where Qur'an says Jesus DIED? The translation of Surah Maryam verse 15? It's 'the day I die' not died .. it's in future. "And peace is on him the day when he was born and the day, when he will die and the day when he will be raised alive" You are making the same mistake that Dr. Sorrosh did and Christians are doing.
that is not the verse we refer to, we say the word Tawaffa has only been used in the Quran to mean death or taking of the soul in sleep ex.(3:193)(7:126)(12:101)so how can it be that when it came to Isa(as) it changed to mean acccession in (5:117)(& remember we have to look at the quran alone, so dont say in hadith it says this etc), secondly you say it was the soul but when i listen to the learned people of the Sunni community i hear them say physical?????????
And Regarding one point, You don't need hadiths? Which ayaat says that you should perform how much Rak'at in any prayer? Which Ayat says you to keep beard? Following Prophet (SA)? Qur'an is a reflection of his entire life, likewise, the authentic hadiths are the depictions of Qur'anic interpretation. Strange things you are doing. Sorry, I don't want to learn from you. IF Allah is on your side, definitely HE will show we the FOOLs that we are wrong. Zajhakallah Khair and GOODBYE.
1st of all re-read what i worte no were did i say we do not need hadith. 2ndly Quran takes precedant over hadith, so what i was saying was that because quran says Isa(as) died u need to interprate the hadith in a manner that they do not contradicts the Qu'ran.
lastely you neva answered my Question but rather have raised an objection to something else.
If you are such a debator, know that I am not worthy of debating you. Debate creates hate and you are deviated from root. Hope that you are satisfied with this, You have won this debate. Bye, As you said, I am running away. As everyone should run away from evil.
but im am saying i am truthfull it is your duty to refute my arguments to guide me & if you cant to join me the qur'an says "those who reject guidence after it has become manifest to them, surely they are the inmates of the fire, & satan holds out false hopes to them", Plus debates does not create hatered but only spreads truth as the qur'an says 2to bring forth your evidence", what creates hatered is arguments, also judgeing by your previous comments i guess you already hate us.
verse (39:42) also tells us what type of Tawaffa Allah himself does.
Also if we interperate verse (5:117) as you do then there is a contradiction as according to you the same Isa(as) is coming so how can he(as)claim on the day of judgement that he(as) did not know about him(as) being worshipped as god????? his answer therefore according to your interpretation should have been but when Allah you sent me back i set them right, (sometihng along those lines anyway)
This is really pathetic to see how picking up the verses of Qur'an out of context, you people did your job. Shame on you. I am very sorry .. you are asking me? I traveled a long way in seeking knowledge in this. I scrutinized my own belief while doing PhD. And I simply REJECTED Ahmadiyyah. The extra thing is a practical Bid'a (Innovation in core of Aqeedah and belief, which is one of the greatest sins). Fi Amaniallah. Pure wastage of time
no it is not pathetic only if you knew, i said ok your right so i used your interporetation but this just lead to contradictions in the verse, 5:117 REFERS TO THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT & what isa(as) will say. i have not taken anything out of context you are jus spiritually blind May Allah guide the misguided. ameen
Now, the point Christians say, how can a human being who did not die be alive for thousands of years. Here's the point. The soul of Jesus was taken by Allah to Jannah and in Jannah soul is immortal in earthy term. As each soul has to test death, his soul will be infused in human body again.
now u say that Isa(as) was raised to heaven with his soul & he will comeback down to this earth. however this goes against the Qur'an as it says that once a soul enters heaven it will not be ejected & NO it does not make an acception for Isa(as):
"Fatigue shall not touch them there, nor shall they ever be ejected therefrom" (15:49)
I guess I have finished. For doing tafseer of Qur'anic verses, you have to base on the core sources and sunnah. The thing you people do is just mere logics that with your little understanding of Arabic. Why don't you refer to the qualified 'Alems from Medina? Go with your own way. His soul will not be driven out rather he still as a person from heaven will complete his mission. Wasting time here..
Only one suggestion I can give you as a brother. Be open minded and seek more knowledge before spreading extra things. Follow Rasulullah (SA) and his rightly guided Khulafah. I am finishing here. Kindly don't type any other thing to me as I heard, and learnt these before. End line, "Allah made me to reject Ahmadiyyah, and may be I am one of the most blessing gainer from Allah" Barak Allah feek.
My metaphor: al-Maseeh will break the cross meaning he will show the problems in the Trinity. I have done this. I presented the problems in the Trinity to someone and after a few days, he became Muslim, alhumdu lillah. Seriously.
I fulfill the metaphor. Am I al-Maseeh?
What makes you think your metaphors are correct while mine is incorrect?
quick comment,: We do not believe 'Isa will be "flying from the sky", we believe he will descend with his palms upon two angels wearing a saffron garment and then quickly make his way to Jerusalem.
They are Rational, I don't deny that. But, two people can be completely rational in their approach but come to opposing conclusions. It happens all the time.
Ahmadiyyah DOES innovate, left and right. The metaphors you bring forth are key examples. Bring me proof, evidence, daleel, not simply "come on!" to prove to me that the narrations Ahmadis turn into metaphors truly are metaphors.
Otherwise, you are contradicting the interpretation of the Prophet and the Sahaba.
Allah did not make you reject Ahmadiyya he merely did not guide you "whom so ever Allah guide no1 can misguide & whom so Allah leaves astray no1 can guide. Salaam.
For the Ayat you quoted, watch this one as you are a youtube lover. Type, "Muhammad al-Jibaly - Methodology of Ahlus-Sunnah Wal-Jama'ah". And know that no sahih hadith contradicts Qur'an. Just you need to know the right translation, I guess this lecture is much more worthy of watching from start to end.
i never said sahih hadith contradict Qur'an i said that if there SEEMS to be a contradiction in the quran agianst the sunnah then the qur'an take precedant, and the hadith shouild be interpretated in a way that it no longer contradicts the qur'an. also Y did you call me a youtube lover, you yourself have an account, farhan00 has an account & makes video go and call him a youtube lover aswell ????
btw, there were some scholars of the past who considered the Qur'an and Sunnah to be at the same level, and SOME minority of scholars who considered the Sunnah to be superior to the Qur'an
Agreed, but we are talking about the Saheeh Hadith, of which there is no doubt.
btw, the same way that the Hadith were preserved is the same way that the Qur'an was preserved. The Qur'an itself necessitates the preservation of the Sunnah, because the Qur'an is dependent on the Sunnah.
Farhan00. I don't believe so, but even if there is the three lies attributed to Ibrahim (as) span Shar'i perspective as well where he tries to pass off his wife as his sister. But the fact remains, a lie is a lie. How can you believe an known liar in matters of Shariah anway? Why must Allah choose liars to deliver His teachings? Why should people believe in such a liar?
Certain kinds of lies from a Shar'ee perspective are not considered lies. For example, lying to reconcile a dispute between two Muslims is not considered a lie according to the Shari'ah and hence not blameworthy.
Umm Kalthoom bint 'Uqbah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that she heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: "He is not a liar who reconciles between people, conveying good messages and saying good things." Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2546; Muslim, 2605
You are not well educated about the translations of the Holy Quran.If you read the verse again and ponder a little bit you will realize that Khatim will not make any sense at all even if we believe that the word is not Khatum but Khatim.Who did he finish by being Khatim.Prophet Muhammad pbuh couldn't even finish Hazrat Eisa asw according to your beliefs.There is a hadith that hazrat Ali ra told thr person teaching Qira'an to his children to teach Katum with zabar on "TA".
Ok so when Jesus (a.s.) according to you, will come back and he dies.
Then when you read the verse which states Muhammad (saw) is the Seal of Prophets. Will this mean that Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet sent to mankind?
Because obviously then Jesus (a.s.) will be the last prophet to have come according to common sense.
Yes Muhammad (SA) is the SEAL of prophets. Isa (AS)'s mission and prophethood is incomplete. And when he will be resurrected, he will just be an ummat of Muhammad (SA). He will not follow any other revelation other than Qur'an and will follow and explain the verses with the truest meanings. He was a prophet before and not the seal but will end his prophethood later. Allah is the MOST WISE. Allahu 'Alem.
3) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) explained the verses in TRUEST meanings.
If you look at Hadith you find that the description of old Jesus (a.s.) and Messiah to come is different. Different complexion is given to old and new.
This shows us that someone resembling his character will come. NOT old Jesus (a.s.) literally.
I was expecting these points :-) Then, he must had done the duties of Isa (AS). Killing the pigs, Break the Cross (End of Christianity and uniting believers), and abolishing Jizya. Ruling as a just ruler. Well, why don't you search Jesus related topics in Youtube? I have my own job and need to leave now. May be Dr. Bilal Phillips from Univ. Medina can help you with his videos. Ma'assalam
mujaheed1, Mirza did ALL OF THOSE signs...metaphorically!
Any Hadith which says he should have done something is reinterpreted metaphorically to mean something else. For example, 'Isa is supposed to break the Cross meaning he symbolically lays the framework for the logical refutation of Christianity in his books.
But metaphorically, I also fulfill the signs of 'Isa too. I just need to find the right metaphor. Am I al-Maseeh?
@mujaheed1.. Dear, I wrote some replies to ur comments but they did not appear for some reason, however, let me add one thing here, that if we take ur position on Jesus to be correct as He is still alive, it will not solve the contradiction as according to Quran Allah commanded Him to pay Alm and offerprayers, untill He lives, so if He is still alive, to whome is he paying Alm and which prayers is he offering in Heavens?
Prophet (SA)'s traditions and sayings are the integral parts for interpreting Qur'an. Qur'an is a reflection of his life, the hadiths are explanations of Qur'an. So, if you really want to know answers of all of your questions, it's better to go to your nearest Local Mosque and ask an 'Alem regarding these or read all the authentic sources in Islam. Peace. In youtube, this might be interesting to you, type, "Who is the true Jesus?" watch J smith and Shabir Ally Atlanta debate. Peace again
@mujaheed1.. can u pls prove/confirm from Quran that Isa's Prophethoot is "incomplete". 2nd question to u and Farhan00..pls explain it to me why Allah called Isa in Quran as "son of mary" and why Quran annonces that Jews knew that He was a Prophet of Allah! I mean if they knew this, why they wanted to Kill HIm? it does not make any sence? or these verses has some other meanings.
And Jesus (PUH) will complete his appointed time in earth. Now, another point comes here. Then are we immortal as souls are not mortal? Again it has nice answer.
Prophet (SA) was asked about spirit. He replied "The answerer doesn't know more than the questioner". this knowledge is only with Allah. We are souls with body, Jinns are souls without body, a Book is body without soul, Allah is no body, no soul .. And definitely we cannot do God-like things, that's why Allah is Unique.
plz watch ahmdiyya via sunni manazara
shaqi1000 1 year ago
farhan dear brother u r soon going to b answered by ALLAH almighty
may Allah guide u
shazbi1 1 year ago
Excellent response brother Farhan. May Allaah SWT guide the Qadianis.
zakuk77 2 years ago 2
As-salamu 'alaykum. May Allah reward you. Just a small correction. Seven of the Qira'aat are mutawatir, and three are mashhur. The latter does not mean questionable as you wrongly state.
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gritew8 2 years ago
No matter how Ahmadis read or translate Quran.
Mr, Mirza Gulam Ahmed was not a Mehdo nor a Messeya.
He might get pardon from Allah being sick with Psychosis.
But not his followers.Allah knows the best.
koolDeception 3 years ago
Also have you ever heard about the oldest pre-Uthman Qur'an manuscript found in Sana, Yemen? Islamic scholars are doing their best to squelch this discovery, because it shows how different the oldest Qur'an manuscripts were to the present version.
In great contrast, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls are now available to the public and they confirm that the Bible text we now have has not been changed and is reliable. The true God does indeed preserve His word!
RoccoP777 3 years ago
Rocco, please do research from unbiased sources, not fundamentalist Christian websites. There are no differences among Quranic manuscripts.
Show me some actual authentic proof for what you say about alleged Ibn Masud and Ubay copies. Not hearsay by orientalists and Christian polemics.
On the other hand, Christian Biblical scholars themselves know the Bible has been changed, and tons of ancient gospels not in the Bible. Many of them even left Christianity as a result (read Bart Ehrman).
Tomar17 3 years ago
Farhan-you try to explain away the fact, that there are indeed major differences in various ancient manuscripts of the Qur'an, by explaining them away as mere dialect diferences. That is not correct. Ubay's manuscript had the words "and he is a father to them" in there, S.33:6, Uthman's does not. Mas'uud's manuscript didn't recognize Sure 1, 113&114. And Shiite scholars can prove verses pointing to Ali were omitted. Uthman burned the older manuscripts to conceal these contradicting Qur'ans.
RoccoP777 3 years ago
You got yourself a perfect 7a there. Mashallah. Alhamdulilah.
americanmuslimgirl 3 years ago
Qadianis(Ahmadis?) have a serious problem when it comes to recite the Holy Qur'an.All of their leaders read in a very Majhool way.
safbat 3 years ago
Farhan, my brother, Alhumdulillah, Allah has granted you with a lot of knowledge. instead of focusing your attention on why ahmadi muslims are wrong, you should try to defend Islam. most people have a bad impression of Islam, you need to show them the true beauty of our religion
beaconfortruth 3 years ago
My knowledge is like a drop of water compared to the ocean of knowledge of the scholars.
Refuting ahmadiyya is defending Islam, because ahmadiyya is yet another avenue they use to destroy Islam.
farhan00 3 years ago
how do u kno tat ahmadi's r the one disgrace to islam not people who discriminates and racists
aneeq4 3 years ago
Mashallah, brother, through your videos, I'm learning something new everytime. Jazakallah Khair, and may Allah bless you.
Selam Aleykum Wa Rahamt Allahi Wabarakatuhu
arfasiddiqi 3 years ago
your videos are focusing on the wrong thing, you should be defending Islam which is being attacked on a massive scale thnxz to clowns like Osama and al Zahira. U got skills use them appropriately.
United we stand Divided we fall.
Love for All Haterd for None
cankhadim 3 years ago
You cult of Mirza is part of war against Islam.Islam is a clear message,your cult denies this clear message of Islam.Your cult also replaced Quran with dirty writings of Mirza Ghulam, the liar. When your cult leaders stop spreading the lies of Mirza Ghulam, then we can talk about joining ranks.
briefjourney 3 years ago
I think he's right to say that we should be criticizing people like bin Laden, but at the same time we should be defending Islam from the evils of Ahmadiyya.
Both are evil and both must be stopped.
farhan00 3 years ago
You are the one who has videos with ad hominem attacks against Dr Israr Ahmad.
btw, you know the video 'When Muslim guys try to be gangsta?' I know the people in that video personally :-)
farhan00 3 years ago
I think it is the non-Ahmadi Muslims who are guilty of blindly following the 'authority' of scholars like Maudoodi, Dr. Israr or Zakir Naik.
When asked questions about apostasy or Hazrat Isa (as) you are too quick to dismiss these issues as irrelevant or not applicable to the issue of who is following the true teachings of Islam.
I would argue that followers of such 'scholars' are in a cult. Why? Well according to them if you leave their version of Islam you should be killed!
usadiq 3 years ago
Thanks brother for your kind advice. But you miss one point here. The issue in focus is Qadiani cult here. We're discussing the lies of Mirza Ghulam.Qadiani propaganda is similar to other kafirs propaganda, they divert our attention to other problems like OBL,terrorism and etc. On this thread of this video Qadianis do everything but to respond to the points that you raised. That's their tactics,blame mullas&terrorists etc.Anyway,Jazaka Allah khair for your work.May Allah reward you greatly.
briefjourney 3 years ago
By the way Farhan00,
Still waiting for your response on Isa (as) and response to Ayaz's videos... :)
usadiq 3 years ago
Do you love Shaytan?
farhan00 3 years ago
ok so Farhan00 u say that Ahamdiyya is an evil for Islam. Can you describe what Islam would be like if every Muslim followed Islam properly (through Ahmadiyyat) HUH?! WHy dont u describe for us how the Ummah would be? -----I THOUGHT SO!
linmgo 3 years ago
Follow Qur'an and Sunnah - Nothing more :-)
No weirdo cryptic metaphorical MGA writings
farhan00 3 years ago
so u r asking me if i love satan... if i say no u gona laugh and if i say yes u gona say since u r ahmadis i expect u to love him.. just like u guys we r no different except in us there is more patience and i've seen alot killing brother muslims i think u misintrept the text in the Holy Quran.. read again and try ur best to figure out wat Holy Quran says abt killing.. once u found tat tell me then who follows satan and who does'nt..
aneeq4 3 years ago
salam brotha nice ,
jazak allah khairan
moezaidan00 3 years ago
Farhan00,
Please watch the video response amahmoodkhan has compiled in response of your video.
I think you will see where you have gone wrong.
usadiq 4 years ago
Farhan and I just watched them. We have 3 more to go. They are very easy to respond to (easier than the original series which made me step back).
Most of the time he simply dismisses what we say. Other times, he just insults us.
Don't worry bro, Islam will prevail and Ahmadiyyah will fall.
farhan00 3 years ago
the other day i had an interesting with the new kid at school (danish)
him-what kind of muslim are you
me- Ahmadi
him- goo. Ahmadies and Sunnis are both peaceful people because we follow the religion of Muhammad SAW, unlike the shias
me- (my eyebrows went up!)hey lets play some ball.
I was shocked that he had on one hand siad that Ahmadies are (good)Muslims and on the other saying they are much more peaceful than the Shias(whom he villanified) -he also lied tht he red Zuhr evryday at lunch,
cankhadim 3 years ago
and so far here where i live he is probably the best Sunni Muslim i have met in my entire life because he unlike all the other Afghans, Turks, and what not, he actually reads namaz more often then just every friday or even worse only on Eid.
Sunnis in Canada: young girl named Aqsa murdered at the hands of her father in Missiaga, and 22 brohters from Brampton arested for alegedlyy plotting to destroy landmarks and behaeding the president.
If there is anyone who can say "who needs a messiah!?!
cankhadim 3 years ago
Corrections
*interesting conversation
*Prime Minister (srry to into Us elecitons rite now)
Conclusion: You can say that o its only a small percentage. But look at how its even a problem in Canada. Canada! Now You know theres a serios problem with Muslims. Maybe theres a reason why noone can name a single Ahmadi Terrorist. Maybe theres a reason why Muslims are so badly hated by most the entire world. rite now Muslim are undoubtly at the bottom of the ladder od peaceful religions yet it means pc
cankhadim 3 years ago
I asked a question to Farhan Kaafir (A COLD greetings to him) but he is evading?
Why did Hadhrat Osman think to standardize the Quran? what did he notice? Did he notice Ahroof or difference of Qiraat?
FjordHawk 4 years ago
If you claim to be a Muslim, read Surah Nisa, Verse 86
To standardize the Qurayshi Harf and to send out copies to the other lands of Islam as a single reference copy.
farhan00 4 years ago
@Farhan00 and Co. I just uploaded another video presentations about an important issue about Quran, would you kindly explain us these clear cut contradictions and errors ?? you claimed once that there is absolutely no error in Quran, I have exposed some of these errors right here for you.
MindMasters 4 years ago
MindMaster. There is no contradiction in the Holy Quran. The only contradiction is between yourself and righteousness. Tell me if you are so righteous, have these questions not already been answered by Muslims? No matter what answer is given you will surely come around to say that it doesn't make sense. So why should the Muslims waste time on answering you. You are just jealous of Quran since your own book is corrupt and promotes incest.
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
@AhmadiMuslim76..If there is no contradiction in Quran then there should b no problem for you to prove that ? can you prove that to us ? can you prove that Quran is from Allah ? what prove do you have ? None. And by the way Quran tells us that Books like Injil or Torah are as important and valid as Quran itself, from whr did you invent this corruption thoery, seems you people are only good in making lofty claims.
MindMasters 4 years ago
MindMasters. Did you not read what I wrote? Tell me if your book is not corrupted then do you agree bible promotes incest?
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
@AhmadiMuslim76..if you belief in Quran then you can not blame any other book, either Injil or Torah at all, as your quran agreed that these books are not corrupted, if you say these are corrupted then you do not belief on Quran. About the promotion of incest..did u read the Quran clearly my dear, or did you read the Hadiths ? who is promoting incest is clear like day light, if you wanna start the debate on it, please jump in and lets see what happend.. & BTW can u answer the questions ??
MindMasters 4 years ago
MindMasters. Are you denying passages of incest in your own Bible? Sure sounds like it...
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
You are not well educated about the translations of the Holy Quran.If you read the verse again and ponder a little bit you will realize that Khatim will not make any sense at all even if we believe that the word is not Khatum but Khatim.Who did he finish by being Khatim.Prophet Muhammad pbuh couldn't even finish Hazrat Eisa asw according to your beliefs.There is a hadith that hazrat Ali ra told thr person teaching Qira'an to his children to teach Katum with zabar on "TA".
totytoty321 4 years ago
So you reject the Qira'a? Even the Ahmadi Murabbis accept them
The Hadith doesn't invalidate the other Qira'at. The Warsh Qira'a was compiled via narrations from the Companions, just like the Hadith of 'Ali.
Also, being the Last Prophet does not mean 'Esa cannot return, since 'Esa was Prophet BEFORE Muhammad. For example, the last of a set of siblings is not the last to die, it is the last to be born. Therefore, Muhammad is the last of the Prophets and it doe snot contradict 'Esa's return
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00. That old Isa (as) is dead and will not come again. Quran stands witness to it. Moreover, what will he teach you if he comes? You already reject him as irrelevant to Muslims. Muhammad (saw) has made him your imam but you reject him only as relevant to Jews and christians. What benefit will he be to Muslims in their spiritual connection with God?
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
You didn't respond to my argument.
Do you or do you not accept the different Qira'aat?
Just answer it, yes or no. Don't pull a Mirza Tahir.
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00. I gather your comment is addressed to totytoty321.
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
No, to you. Do you accept them or not?
Give me a clear simple "Yes." or "No."
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00. I didn't think this was addressed to me because I had already answered this question a few times now in other discussions with you. Anyway here it is once again. Yes I believe in the different Qir'ats of Quran. See my first video in response to your initial video on "Khatam" vs "Khatim".
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
Yes, and you said it means "Last Law-Bearing Prophet" when combined with another Ayah from Surah Ma'idah, correct?
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00. Correct.
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
So, do you also accept that there can be laws from non-Prophets?
farhan00 3 years ago
Farhan00. In my view only law bearing prophets can bring laws and non-law-bearing prophets and non-prophets (i.e. Khulafa) can work within those confines.
AhmadiMuslim76 3 years ago
no worrying your progeny will be raising the flag of real Islam and Ahamdiyyat in the future. You are trying to attain the pleasure of Allah but, in reality and ironically u are doing the EXACT opposite. What do u think of the story of Jesus Christ by the Promised Messiah (as). What do u have to say about the foot prints found in the tomb in Kashmir with evident scars on the foot.
tubiggies 4 years ago
People are leaving Ahmadiyyah en mass...
It's a phenomena the Ahmadi community has never dealt with, especially in the Western World.
farhan00 4 years ago
en mass" - are u furreal. Jus cause Arabian boy ther (the guy tring to look like he is) left o whats his name- doesnt really mater -oesn't mean lot have left. in fact barely ANYONE, honestly orthodox guy is the first person ive heard of here in Canada. Beside orthodox boy i had never seen him at the mosque or at events so its no wonder he left, its only his loss and he will deeply regret with shame.soon. and o ye if yur gonna blow somthin up try tellin your boys not to get caight nex time.
tubiggies 4 years ago
People have been emailing me talking about how they left Ahmadiyyah. I personally know an entire family who left Ahmadiyyah and accepted Real Islam.
Orthodox (Farhan) is in contact with many others who have left Ahmadiyyah.
There are dozens of ex-Ahmadis on Youtube, many who have left and others who are questioning.
The Ahmadi Murabbis can paint an ugly picture of "Mullahs" in Pakistan to the youth. But, not in the West when the "Mullah" Muslims are their buddies from school.
farhan00 4 years ago
Insha'Allah, the "Mullah" Muslims in the West will accept Islam Ahmadiyya as well.
As for your comments on people leaving, you make it appear as if tens of millions of people are leaving Islam Ahmadiyya....Actually it is the OPPOSITE...Tens of millions have become Ahmadi.
After our Holy Prophet's (saw) many became apostates but the caravan of Islam still continued to flourish. So raising arguments of such nature are irrelevant.
usadiq 4 years ago
Which Mullahs in the West? Can you name specific names?
farhan00 4 years ago
Lol....you think I'm some sort of psychic or fortune teller?
There is a reason why we say Insha'Allah.
Only Allah has the power to change the hearts of the disbelievers.
But also remember that Allah does not change the condition of people, until they take steps to change what is inside themselves.
usadiq 4 years ago
Well, I do not expect you to know all of them, but can you at least name a few?
Ahamdis often say to me "You just follow your mullahs." I wonder which of my teachers they're referring to in specific. I've never referred to one of my Sheyookh as a Mullah...
farhan00 4 years ago
You know that thats a lie...there is no phenomena going on as you paint it. First of all, people have always left religion and thats there own weakness. People have left Islam, they continue to..Is that a phenomena? It happens. Anyways, as our Huzoor has said that we do not need such people, whose faith is so weak. They can leave if they please to but they will never find comfort. Why is it that your boy Farhan orthodox still comes to Ahmadi mosques.if he so hates us and is against our doctrine.
umercpak 4 years ago
farhan00.. I don't know about ahmadies either leaving ahmadiyya or not but I know for sure that Muslims are leaving Islam in Masses !! think abou them and see the contradictions you people have in your statements and faith.
MindMasters 4 years ago
no worrying your progeny will be raising the flag of real Islam and Ahamdiyyat in the future. You are trying to attain the pleasure of Allah but, in reality and ironically u are doing the EXACT opposite. What do u think of the story of Jesus Christ by the Promised Messiah (as). What do u have to say about the foot prints found in the tomb in Kashmir with evident scars on the foot.
tubiggies 4 years ago
i havnt seen ayaz mehmood khan so long, i guess he is trying to hifz the quran.
Thanx Allah who showed me the light of real islam.
AnExAhmadi 4 years ago
Farhan00,
Why do you suddenly jump to conclusions?!! 1. The Word of God stands supreme. 2. This is followed by the actual practices of the Holy Prophet . This is known as sunnah. 3. This is followed by hadith, the words reported to be those of the Holy Prophet(saw)
Go read 'Murder in the Name of Allah' by Mirza Tahir Ahmad (ra) go to Chapter 7 'Punishment for Apostasy' and read how Sunnah and Hadith are interpreted by Ahmadis.
Stop jumping to conclusions!!!!!
usadiq 4 years ago
Oh yah...I don't want to "DECIEVE YOU". So when you go to that page, you are going to have to scroll down a bit before you find the explanation of how Hadith is studied.
usadiq 4 years ago
Which message of mine are you replying to? What conclusion am I jumping to? I am confused.
Read "On the limits of theological tolerance in Islam" by Ibn Taymiyyah
farhan00 4 years ago
no worrying your progeny will be raising the flag of real Islam and Ahamdiyyat in the future. You are trying to attain the pleasure of Allah but, in reality and ironically u are doing the EXACT opposite. What do u think of the story of Jesus Christ by the Promised Messiah (as). What do u have to say about the foot prints found in the tomb in Kashmir with evident scars on the foot.
tubiggies 4 years ago
Telling the future except what has been revealed to us by Allah through the Prophet Muhammad Sal Allahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam is a form of Shirk.
farhan00 4 years ago
I fully agree with you.
usadiq 4 years ago
Ahmadis claim their 3rd supreme spiritual leader predicted the future death of Zia-al-Haq
farhan00 4 years ago
whats your point?
usadiq 4 years ago
I'm pretty sure it was the 4th.
polterrrgeisttt 3 years ago
May Allah guide the misguided Ahmadiyyahs. Good Lecture! Allah bless you brother Farhan. Always stand with the truth. Falsehood destroyed against the truth. I was watching some videos regarding this issue, really shocked how the verses and authentic sources are twisted to device another ideology.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Twisting verses...yes...
They rely more on logic than on evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah. Logic is an excellent tool, but it does not overtake Revelation.
And if they cannot reconcile the two, they reinterpret the Qur'an and Sunnah to conform to their beliefs. You will notice that many things in their religion are metaphors.
farhan00 4 years ago
hey narcist..can you please tell me the name of the nasheed in the beginning of the video b/c it sounds beautiful!
benzfs 4 years ago
narcist
benzfs 4 years ago
great video brother keep it up.
JazakAllah khair
reply2qadanis 4 years ago
Think about what you are saying.
Who is the Messiah and Mahdi then?
That means no Messiah or Mahdi will come.
Ahmadiyya Islam is the true Islam
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) is the true Messiah and Imam Mahdi.
usadiq 4 years ago
You got the message nice and clear. Allah does the guiding May Allah guide all to the straigh path. Ameen
tkassim 4 years ago
Your questions are very important but...
What does that have to do with ANYTHING I said in this video?
farhan00 4 years ago
You know what...PEACE
If you do not understand what Ahmadis are saying....PEACE
If you do not accept the Messiah and Mahdi...PEACE
usadiq 4 years ago
Did Mirza kill the swine?
Did Mirza abolish the Jizya?
Did Mirza destroy all crucifixes?
Crunchybear1 4 years ago
The Messiah and Imam Mahdi will not go knocking on doors asking for crosses and breaking them.
He will not kill all the pigs in the world literally.
Think about what you are saying?
usadiq 4 years ago
Metaphorically, yes yes and yes.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the KING of Metaphor. Pretty much half of their religion is metaphorical re-interpretation of Qur'an and Sunnah. Anything which conflicts with his claims is turned into a metaphor.
farhan00 4 years ago
Jizakhalahu khayr akh!
Orthodox786 4 years ago
If it was not for us seeking the Khayr of Allah, we would not do any of this...
farhan00 4 years ago
Brother only those close to us know how we have to suffer because of this work we do! but we have no choice, Allah so desires what we do so we must.
yousafuk2007 4 years ago
Yah, these people keep calling me "dirty Mullah" and cursing at me instead of responding rationally.
But, there are some moderates in the Ahmadi community. May Allah guide them to Islam...
farhan00 4 years ago
farhan00.. who ever is calling u dirty mullah is ignorant and stupid. u do not have to pay attention to them. Any how, can you please reply to my question more clearly that what is the role of the Beast in future? you said earlier, I am confusing it .. with what? if I may ask? and also will this Beast appear before Isa as or after Him? if Allah deliver his message through this Beast then why Allah has to snd Isa once again? you see it does not make any sence, I think u r confusing things. Peace
phippi46 4 years ago
Thanks for your kind words.
The Beast is named al-Jasasa who will go to all people and give the believers glad tidings and write on their forehead Mu'min while he will harm the disbelievers and write on their foreheads "Kafir".
Some of the Sahaba met him.
Yes, he gives glad tidings and warns others
Did I answer your questions? Did I miss anything?
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan my dear I am sorry, but this is absurd to mention that this "animal" will deliver message of God to humans, what about Quran, where we learned that only Humans were supposed to deliver message to humans? it is a fairy tale and u belief it.. go ahead, but just do not expect from others that they will ever belief you that you belief on the Finality of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)
phippi46 4 years ago
phippi46
Do you believe that the resurrection is absurd? The kufar of Arabia used to mock the Prophet by saying "Do you really believe in this fairy-tale resurrection? How can we come back to life when we're dead and bones?" Surah Israa, Verse 50-51
Your approach is exactly the same as the Kufar of Arabia: rejection because you have never seen anything like it
Rather, one should accept the Prophet's words, even if you do not necessarily understand them, and not seek to change their meanings
farhan00 4 years ago
Even if people sought to make the words of the Prophet a series of metaphors, no one would care. But, the moment they believe in another Prophet, they are no longer considered Muslims
(just like the Baha'i)
farhan00 4 years ago
Aoa brother this verse is going to be discussed here i guess?
And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs. (27:82)
Note at the end it says that "for that mandkind did not belive wth The signs of Allah" Does signs has anything to do with revelations. Still Allah shows Thousands of his signs. Also note this line in the video of phippi 46 (last)
looking4right 4 years ago
according to hadith.
A beast will emerge from the earth, and with it will be the staff of Musa and the ring of Sulayman, peace be upon them both. It will strike the nose of the disbelievers with the staff, and it will make the face of the believer bright with the ring, until when people gather to eat, they will be able to recognize the believers from the disbelievers.> It also was recorded by Imam Ahmad, with the wording...(Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi recorded from Abu Hurayrah)
looking4right 4 years ago
i dont understand that does this beast has any concern with End of the prophets? do you really think?, If you observe that there were lot of things happend after Rasool Allah and they all were signs of God, it also means that those all things had some relation with end of the prophets? i didnt understand what is the logic
looking4right 4 years ago
looking4right.. my dear it if u claim that the last and final message has been delivered by the Holy Prophet then there is no justification for this Animal to come and act on the behalf of Allah, convey yet another message to people! why Allah need an animal whr He can sent a human for that job! 2nd will this animal come befofore Isa or after Him? if before, then why Allah need to snd Isa? and if u say, no after Isa then will Isa fail in His mission that Allah may snd this Animal? my dear cont
phippi46 4 years ago
First of alla you seems to be confusing, the main clash between ahmadis/bhahis and muslims is that there will be no prophet after rasool allah, the word here is "prophet". Now you should take some lectures or should study some articles that what is the difference between prophets or beasts. As per our belief that no one will ever come to guide the people becuase Rasool Allah came and guided us with the help of Quran and Quran is enough for our salvation.
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looking4right 4 years ago
Now if Dajjal comes or a beast they are not comming for the guidence of people instead they are Azab for mankind who do not listen. There are lot of example on the earath of Azab-e-Allah. So take it inside your mind the beast will come not to guide people instead for punishing disbelivers. This is the sign of God which does not have to do anything with the Guidence of Humanity. I guess your confusion has been answered here. No Prophet can come. Learn the meaning of Prophet.
looking4right 4 years ago
looking4right.. my dear, the belief of "Muslims" should be error free, if Ahmadies are wrong? what we see here are contradiction upon contradiction in muslim belief, and then we hear lectures upon lectures from "Ullemas" that we should correct our selfs? Lol.. it is clear, that muslims are creating fairy tales stories, distorting Quranic meanings and blindly follow conjectures, and then they have courage to blame others !! great. Pls clear us this so called animal, why Allah snd an animal??
phippi46 4 years ago
@farhan00..I do not claim, if I do not know a thing, I do not belief "blindly" nor I think Islam teaches to follow it blindly. what u came up is called "circle reasoning" and it is not a prove! can u prove resurrection without quoting Quran? if ur beliefs are so strong and error free, my dear u will not have any problem correcting me and guiding me. 2nd u said, one should accept "Prophets's words" .. I thought, Quran is the word of Allah and not the words of Prophet, but now u entlighten me..
phippi46 4 years ago
@farhan00.. my dear friend, pls look what kind of beliefs are u attaching with Quran, is there any logic that Allah will snd some kind of animal to humans, creating contradiction in Quranic message? u want to accept it because it will serve only ur approach. U can not bring any logic in absurdity, and I think u r wise enough to know that, so instead of inventing stories, pls see the real meaning hehind them, if a "messenger" can come then see it is better to have a human, instead of animals.
phippi46 4 years ago
You're being very general. What did I say that was circular reasoning? What did I say that was absurd?
farhan00 4 years ago
:-) I won't comment on other things. But I couldn't stop replying this one, "..my dear u will not have any problem correcting me and guiding me". What? Farhan will guide you? Do you think any human being can guide any other human being? It is ALLAH who guides people, not human beings. As human being even Muhammad (SA)was a distributer, The GIVER of understanding is only ALLAH. May ALLAH guide you.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
As ALLAH said in Surah Hujurat verse 13 that HE created human beings from males and females and divided them into tribes and groups so that we may know one other. It's Allah's Wisdom that we can differentiate Good and Evil seeing the sects. And anybody who believes in one Allah and Muhammad (SA) as the SEAL of prophets is a Muslim. And final decider is only ALLAH. Done.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Exactly our point, Allah is the Judge.
That is what the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been saying to those who call the Ahmadis "non-Muslims". In the East we are persecuted because fanatics spread lies about us.
No Muslim has the right to call anybody a "non-Muslim", especially if that person himself says that he is a Muslim.
The Ahmadis believe that the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.). That is fundamentally the only difference!
usadiq 4 years ago
But, one point here, for putting Allah as the judge you have to rely on Allah's words and HIS messenger's words, not by twisting it. Often the things are twisted in such a way that it goes nowhere. The verses that often the Ahmadiyyahs use are of wrong translation. Anyway, gather more knowledge and Insha-Allah Allah will guide you. Peace. Done Take care :-)
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Do you know the Arabic language?
If so please show me how we are twisting the translation.
Because so far I have not got a clear answer from Farhan00 about the verses in the Quran relating to Jesus (a.s.).
The Quran CLEARLY states Jesus (a.s.) died.
The Quran CLEARLY states Jesus (a.s.) was not killed on the cross but only made to appear so.
The Quran CLEARLY states that Messengers before Muhammad (saw) have passed away.
usadiq 4 years ago
First point, Where Qur'an says Jesus DIED? The translation of Surah Maryam verse 15? It's 'the day I die' not died .. it's in future. "And peace is on him the day when he was born and the day, when he will die and the day when he will be raised alive" You are making the same mistake that Dr. Sorrosh did and Christians are doing.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
that is not the verse we refer to, we say the word Tawaffa has only been used in the Quran to mean death or taking of the soul in sleep ex.(3:193)(7:126)(12:101)so how can it be that when it came to Isa(as) it changed to mean acccession in (5:117)(& remember we have to look at the quran alone, so dont say in hadith it says this etc), secondly you say it was the soul but when i listen to the learned people of the Sunni community i hear them say physical?????????
saadb1990 4 years ago
And Regarding one point, You don't need hadiths? Which ayaat says that you should perform how much Rak'at in any prayer? Which Ayat says you to keep beard? Following Prophet (SA)? Qur'an is a reflection of his entire life, likewise, the authentic hadiths are the depictions of Qur'anic interpretation. Strange things you are doing. Sorry, I don't want to learn from you. IF Allah is on your side, definitely HE will show we the FOOLs that we are wrong. Zajhakallah Khair and GOODBYE.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
1st of all re-read what i worte no were did i say we do not need hadith. 2ndly Quran takes precedant over hadith, so what i was saying was that because quran says Isa(as) died u need to interprate the hadith in a manner that they do not contradicts the Qu'ran.
lastely you neva answered my Question but rather have raised an objection to something else.
saadb1990 4 years ago
If you are such a debator, know that I am not worthy of debating you. Debate creates hate and you are deviated from root. Hope that you are satisfied with this, You have won this debate. Bye, As you said, I am running away. As everyone should run away from evil.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
but im am saying i am truthfull it is your duty to refute my arguments to guide me & if you cant to join me the qur'an says "those who reject guidence after it has become manifest to them, surely they are the inmates of the fire, & satan holds out false hopes to them", Plus debates does not create hatered but only spreads truth as the qur'an says 2to bring forth your evidence", what creates hatered is arguments, also judgeing by your previous comments i guess you already hate us.
saadb1990 4 years ago
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verse (39:42) also tells us what type of Tawaffa Allah himself does.
Also if we interperate verse (5:117) as you do then there is a contradiction as according to you the same Isa(as) is coming so how can he(as)claim on the day of judgement that he(as) did not know about him(as) being worshipped as god????? his answer therefore according to your interpretation should have been but when Allah you sent me back i set them right, (sometihng along those lines anyway)
saadb1990 4 years ago
This is really pathetic to see how picking up the verses of Qur'an out of context, you people did your job. Shame on you. I am very sorry .. you are asking me? I traveled a long way in seeking knowledge in this. I scrutinized my own belief while doing PhD. And I simply REJECTED Ahmadiyyah. The extra thing is a practical Bid'a (Innovation in core of Aqeedah and belief, which is one of the greatest sins). Fi Amaniallah. Pure wastage of time
mujaheed1 4 years ago
no it is not pathetic only if you knew, i said ok your right so i used your interporetation but this just lead to contradictions in the verse, 5:117 REFERS TO THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT & what isa(as) will say. i have not taken anything out of context you are jus spiritually blind May Allah guide the misguided. ameen
saadb1990 4 years ago
Okay, just for knowledge, please type in youtube search box, "Is Jesus God? Ahmed Deedat vs Anis Sorrosh 1 of 22" .. see the first few minutes ..
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Now, the point Christians say, how can a human being who did not die be alive for thousands of years. Here's the point. The soul of Jesus was taken by Allah to Jannah and in Jannah soul is immortal in earthy term. As each soul has to test death, his soul will be infused in human body again.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
now u say that Isa(as) was raised to heaven with his soul & he will comeback down to this earth. however this goes against the Qur'an as it says that once a soul enters heaven it will not be ejected & NO it does not make an acception for Isa(as):
"Fatigue shall not touch them there, nor shall they ever be ejected therefrom" (15:49)
"They shall abide therein forever" ( 4:58 )
saadb1990 4 years ago
I guess I have finished. For doing tafseer of Qur'anic verses, you have to base on the core sources and sunnah. The thing you people do is just mere logics that with your little understanding of Arabic. Why don't you refer to the qualified 'Alems from Medina? Go with your own way. His soul will not be driven out rather he still as a person from heaven will complete his mission. Wasting time here..
mujaheed1 4 years ago
brother it is a simple lone refuting you idea, now you are running away because you know you will loose the debate.
saadb1990 4 years ago
Only one suggestion I can give you as a brother. Be open minded and seek more knowledge before spreading extra things. Follow Rasulullah (SA) and his rightly guided Khulafah. I am finishing here. Kindly don't type any other thing to me as I heard, and learnt these before. End line, "Allah made me to reject Ahmadiyyah, and may be I am one of the most blessing gainer from Allah" Barak Allah feek.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Your self righteous attitude is very dangerous. This is exactly what every other person in this world says about any other sect and faith.
Islam Ahmadiyya is RATIONAL.
We don't believe in ideas of the historical Jesus (a.s.) being brought back and flying from the sky and LITERALLY killing swine and breaking crosses.
We interpret some Hadith METAPHORICALLY.
Stop calling us innovators.
Allah Hafiz
usadiq 4 years ago
My metaphor: al-Maseeh will break the cross meaning he will show the problems in the Trinity. I have done this. I presented the problems in the Trinity to someone and after a few days, he became Muslim, alhumdu lillah. Seriously.
I fulfill the metaphor. Am I al-Maseeh?
What makes you think your metaphors are correct while mine is incorrect?
farhan00 4 years ago
quick comment,: We do not believe 'Isa will be "flying from the sky", we believe he will descend with his palms upon two angels wearing a saffron garment and then quickly make his way to Jerusalem.
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00,
Everyone who is not a Christian has been pointing out the problems of Trinity.
BUT
This does not satisfy Christians because they ask "Where is Jesus then?"
The Quran says he was not killed, nor crucified but only made to appear so...key words to consider...made to appear so...
He was unconscious on the cross.
usadiq 4 years ago
They are Rational, I don't deny that. But, two people can be completely rational in their approach but come to opposing conclusions. It happens all the time.
Ahmadiyyah DOES innovate, left and right. The metaphors you bring forth are key examples. Bring me proof, evidence, daleel, not simply "come on!" to prove to me that the narrations Ahmadis turn into metaphors truly are metaphors.
Otherwise, you are contradicting the interpretation of the Prophet and the Sahaba.
farhan00 4 years ago
Allah did not make you reject Ahmadiyya he merely did not guide you "whom so ever Allah guide no1 can misguide & whom so Allah leaves astray no1 can guide. Salaam.
saadb1990 4 years ago
For the Ayat you quoted, watch this one as you are a youtube lover. Type, "Muhammad al-Jibaly - Methodology of Ahlus-Sunnah Wal-Jama'ah". And know that no sahih hadith contradicts Qur'an. Just you need to know the right translation, I guess this lecture is much more worthy of watching from start to end.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
i never said sahih hadith contradict Qur'an i said that if there SEEMS to be a contradiction in the quran agianst the sunnah then the qur'an take precedant, and the hadith shouild be interpretated in a way that it no longer contradicts the qur'an. also Y did you call me a youtube lover, you yourself have an account, farhan00 has an account & makes video go and call him a youtube lover aswell ????
saadb1990 4 years ago
How can the Qur'an and authentic Hadith contradict when both are ultimately from Allah?
That does not make sense...
farhan00 4 years ago
btw, there were some scholars of the past who considered the Qur'an and Sunnah to be at the same level, and SOME minority of scholars who considered the Sunnah to be superior to the Qur'an
farhan00 4 years ago
The Quran is the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY.
No one can raise a shadow of doubt that the Quran has been corrupted or has mistakes. The Quran is a PERFECT BOOK.
However, there is always a possibility of corruption or mistakes in the Hadith. So that is why you must be careful when reading Hadith.
Ahmadi Muslims read the Hadith carefully and make sure no conflicting interpretations arise in relation to the Quran.
We don't just accept every single Hadith literally.
usadiq 4 years ago
Agreed, but we are talking about the Saheeh Hadith, of which there is no doubt.
btw, the same way that the Hadith were preserved is the same way that the Qur'an was preserved. The Qur'an itself necessitates the preservation of the Sunnah, because the Qur'an is dependent on the Sunnah.
farhan00 4 years ago
So you are telling me that, you believe Abraham (a.s.) actually lied on 3 occasions?
Sahih Al- Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No 578
usadiq 4 years ago
From a Shar'i perspective of a literal perspective?
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00. From any perspective a lie remains a lie.
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
No, there's a difference.
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00. I don't believe so, but even if there is the three lies attributed to Ibrahim (as) span Shar'i perspective as well where he tries to pass off his wife as his sister. But the fact remains, a lie is a lie. How can you believe an known liar in matters of Shariah anway? Why must Allah choose liars to deliver His teachings? Why should people believe in such a liar?
AhmadiMuslim76 4 years ago
No
Certain kinds of lies from a Shar'ee perspective are not considered lies. For example, lying to reconcile a dispute between two Muslims is not considered a lie according to the Shari'ah and hence not blameworthy.
farhan00 4 years ago
Farhan00, can you please show me where lying to reconcile a dispute b/w two Muslims is NOT considered a lie?
Where are you getting such information from?
usadiq 4 years ago
Umm Kalthoom bint 'Uqbah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that she heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: "He is not a liar who reconciles between people, conveying good messages and saying good things." Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2546; Muslim, 2605
farhan00 4 years ago
What???!!!
So based on this, you infer that it is ok to lie to reconcile parties with differences???
usadiq 4 years ago
You are not well educated about the translations of the Holy Quran.If you read the verse again and ponder a little bit you will realize that Khatim will not make any sense at all even if we believe that the word is not Khatum but Khatim.Who did he finish by being Khatim.Prophet Muhammad pbuh couldn't even finish Hazrat Eisa asw according to your beliefs.There is a hadith that hazrat Ali ra told thr person teaching Qira'an to his children to teach Katum with zabar on "TA".
tubiggies 4 years ago
Ok so when Jesus (a.s.) according to you, will come back and he dies.
Then when you read the verse which states Muhammad (saw) is the Seal of Prophets. Will this mean that Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet sent to mankind?
Because obviously then Jesus (a.s.) will be the last prophet to have come according to common sense.
usadiq 4 years ago
Yes Muhammad (SA) is the SEAL of prophets. Isa (AS)'s mission and prophethood is incomplete. And when he will be resurrected, he will just be an ummat of Muhammad (SA). He will not follow any other revelation other than Qur'an and will follow and explain the verses with the truest meanings. He was a prophet before and not the seal but will end his prophethood later. Allah is the MOST WISE. Allahu 'Alem.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
1) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) was a Muslim.
2) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) followed the Quran
3) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s.) explained the verses in TRUEST meanings.
If you look at Hadith you find that the description of old Jesus (a.s.) and Messiah to come is different. Different complexion is given to old and new.
This shows us that someone resembling his character will come. NOT old Jesus (a.s.) literally.
usadiq 4 years ago
I was expecting these points :-) Then, he must had done the duties of Isa (AS). Killing the pigs, Break the Cross (End of Christianity and uniting believers), and abolishing Jizya. Ruling as a just ruler. Well, why don't you search Jesus related topics in Youtube? I have my own job and need to leave now. May be Dr. Bilal Phillips from Univ. Medina can help you with his videos. Ma'assalam
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Oh, before leaving, this might be interesting and logical to you, type in youtube "Cross Resurrection and Salvation"
mujaheed1 4 years ago
mujaheed1, Mirza did ALL OF THOSE signs...metaphorically!
Any Hadith which says he should have done something is reinterpreted metaphorically to mean something else. For example, 'Isa is supposed to break the Cross meaning he symbolically lays the framework for the logical refutation of Christianity in his books.
But metaphorically, I also fulfill the signs of 'Isa too. I just need to find the right metaphor. Am I al-Maseeh?
farhan00 4 years ago
@mujaheed1.. Dear, I wrote some replies to ur comments but they did not appear for some reason, however, let me add one thing here, that if we take ur position on Jesus to be correct as He is still alive, it will not solve the contradiction as according to Quran Allah commanded Him to pay Alm and offerprayers, untill He lives, so if He is still alive, to whome is he paying Alm and which prayers is he offering in Heavens?
phippi46 4 years ago
Prophet (SA)'s traditions and sayings are the integral parts for interpreting Qur'an. Qur'an is a reflection of his life, the hadiths are explanations of Qur'an. So, if you really want to know answers of all of your questions, it's better to go to your nearest Local Mosque and ask an 'Alem regarding these or read all the authentic sources in Islam. Peace. In youtube, this might be interesting to you, type, "Who is the true Jesus?" watch J smith and Shabir Ally Atlanta debate. Peace again
mujaheed1 4 years ago
@mujaheed1.. can u pls prove/confirm from Quran that Isa's Prophethoot is "incomplete". 2nd question to u and Farhan00..pls explain it to me why Allah called Isa in Quran as "son of mary" and why Quran annonces that Jews knew that He was a Prophet of Allah! I mean if they knew this, why they wanted to Kill HIm? it does not make any sence? or these verses has some other meanings.
phippi46 4 years ago
And Jesus (PUH) will complete his appointed time in earth. Now, another point comes here. Then are we immortal as souls are not mortal? Again it has nice answer.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
Prophet (SA) was asked about spirit. He replied "The answerer doesn't know more than the questioner". this knowledge is only with Allah. We are souls with body, Jinns are souls without body, a Book is body without soul, Allah is no body, no soul .. And definitely we cannot do God-like things, that's why Allah is Unique.
mujaheed1 4 years ago
No it does not. This is an Ahmadi deception. It only works on those who do not speak Arabic.
farhan00 4 years ago
Promised Messiah must break the cross, kill the pigs, abolish the Jizya. Did that guy do these?
mujaheed1 4 years ago