Molten aluminum does not glow. Aluminum melts at about 650 C and no glowing occurs at such low temperature (in daylight).
Glowchart shows that the metal on the video is over 1100 C hot. In addition the video is shot at daylight which makes glow colors seem much colder. It is plausible that the metal is indeed molten steel.
One form of thermite is a mix of iron-oxide and aluminum.
What is steel made of? IRON.
What is the chemical process that occurs during a fire? OXIDATION.
What are airplanes made of? ALUMINUM.
Use your brains, you stupid fucking assholes. If a crude form of thermite were found, that's just more proof that explosives were not needed to bring the towers down.
Every "truth"er is a fucking moron. Without exception. You all are FUCKING MORONS.
@muzicmaker2001 Your opinion is illegitimate and insensitive to the victims. There are certain, rare circumstances where intolerance of another person's opinion is acceptable. This is one of those circumstances. If a racist says that they believe black people are the cause of all the country's problems, should it be accepted? You asked what the other person's stake in 9/11 was because they were Canadian.
No idea what you're talking about, but there has been no mention of disrespect to the victims on this page by anyone. This is just a guilt ploy used by 911 shills and it won't work. Try something new, ok? Of course, you are not going to answer what your stake is in this because it is to defend the 911 lie. We both it know it.
@muzicmaker2001 You just get dumber and dumberer. I could do what "truth"ers do and just make stuff up about what my "stake" is. By asking that question, you make it clear that the only reason YOU care is because you hate the government and think they had something to do with it. If you didn't think it was a conspiracy, you wouldn't care about the 3,000 people. Well done, idiot.
@muzicmaker2001 "Truthers are exposing or seeking the truth"
That's what you SAY, but, in reality, you're just seeking anything that will reinforce your beliefs. You're like religious nuts who say they're only seeking "truth". You ignore facts that contradict your beliefs, like the fact that steel doesn't need to melt for it to be weakened to the point of collapse, or the fact that "pull it" means nothing in demolition speak, or the fact that no evidence for explosives was found anywhere.
@muzicmaker2001 I've wasted enough time on this, but I would just like to point out that when someone says they know the truth, or they tell the truth, they are usually lying. That's not a fact, just an observation.
What does sex have to do with your obvious lies and the use of thermate at the WTC? I'm a good looking chap, and I've never had problems with getting sex. So lets get back to the False Flag Operation of 9/11
i just wanted to point out that no one comenting on this is a chemist...all that any of you know is what you are told. i am of the mind that something happened on 9-11 that we werent told about by our govt. but i do not act as if i have the knowledge to understand any of it...but by the evidence ive seen and the weak rebuttle by debunkers id have to say that conspiracy theorist are still up by a few points<<this is just my opinion tho
@hardhatg69 also..idk why there isnt an open debate on this....sure there are seperate pages...truthseekers and debunk 9-11 or w/e...but there needs to be one page where engineers and chemist, people who actually know what they are talking about, can go and debate the evidence......because honestly i tired of reading these stupid comments by people on both sides of the issue debating things they dont even understand completely..its pointless
NO skyscraper has ever collapsed in the world from fire. You are telling me that the most advanced nation in the world cannot build the two most important buildings so that they resist fire? Ha Americans are the best engineers. This is simply not possible.
firefighters were filmed on 9/11 describing hearing bombs, and the explosions going in sequence down the floors. Boom, boom t he NYFD firemen described. As they said, "Just like controlled demolition". Many reporters, policemen, witnesses, and people in the buildings described hearing explosions. Many descibe it as sounding and looking like controlled demolition.
Jeffrey Shapiro, Washington DC prosecutor, FOX News, April 22, 2010: "I was working for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day. I arrived at Ground Zero shortly after the Twin Towers fell, in the danger zone created by Building 7. Shortly before the building collapsed, NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building."
"Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen
"It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."- NYC Paramedic Daniel Rivera
"It almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight"- NYFD Firefighter Thomas Turilli
It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."- NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski
@muzicmaker2001 To keep "wack jobs" from stirring the pot. Get alife folks...seriously. canadians died in the twin towers... to claim it was anything but a terrorist attack disrespects those countrymen of mine....
@muzicmaker2001 24 Canadian citizens died in the WTC, you ignorant piece of shit. If you really do love America, like "truth"ers claim they do, you will kill yourself. The USA will be better off without you.
@muzicmaker2001 "debating"? It's not a debate if you don't even know the subject you're talking about. This is one reason I have such contempt. You didn't even know that 24 canadians died on 9/11, that 9/11 was a GLOBAL disaster, even though it happened within American borders.
Speaking of ignorance, read the post again. I asked what his stake was a canadian citizen. Obviously, he is here to defend the 911 lie. And what is your stake in this? Just a hobby?
@muzicmaker2001 I don't think you even know what "stake" means. Here is my understanding: "Personal interest or involvement". Is that how you are using it?
@muzicmaker2001 Of course I looked it up, fool! I want to make sure there isn't some alternative meaning I'm ignorant of. What would you expect me to do? Assume my own opinion is fact? That's what a "truth"er does. LMAO! Your post is proof you don't know the difference between fact, conjecture, and opinion. You make yourself look dumber with every post.
I'm not going to answer your question "what is your stake in this?" It's a stupid question. Being a human isn't enough?
Anyone who thinks thermite is an "explosive" needs to stay in the shallow end of the pool.
Thermite has NEVER been used in controlled demo because it CAN'T be used.
Controlled demo only works because the cutting of beams & columns is timed precisely, to the millisecond. Thermite is highly unpredictable and CANNOT be timed so that the failure point happens even to the closest MINUTE.
Pure nonsense, as anyone who's ever used thermite well knows.
Lol you have to realise that the FBI and Military were involved in this! they easily could have done this in elevator shafts, VACANT FLOORS.. above the sheet rock or drywall, in between the trusses, how many people saw the asbestos covered trusses? Hmmm?
And don't forget night time, they had free reign then.
To say it is impossible is laughable, but there were hints, one video aluded to traces of dust in the mornings found on windows and ventilator shafts openings
For those who will research instead of bah like sheep, look at the Madrid Windsor, the Meridian fire, and several others like them that burned for 15-35x as long as the WTC towers burned, look at the black smoke within minutes representing an oxygen deprived fire (i.e., VERY low temperature); look at Edna Cintron and dozens of others standing on this 'hot' exterior steel, waving for people to come rescue them ... Stop postulating conjecture and start critically thinking!
Listen people, don't get steamed about this stuff when explaining it to others. What we believe and what we know is totally true and those that don't believe this only have their stubbornness to blame.
the military uses thermate, not thermite. its somewhat different. besides, the use of this substance isnt necesarry what so ever. you dont need to melt steel in order to make the building collapse, you only need to weaken the fuck out of it. which is precisely what the fire did. it melted to the steel so that the part of the building above the fire had no support, thus it collapsed.
BTW, these were the first steel structures that "collapesed" due to fire damage in the history of steel structured buildings! Several other steel structured buildings have been exposed much higher temperatures than those of the Twin Towers, and survived!
dude, those fires at least didint damage the core structure of the building, the twin tower fire did. it caused it to lose virtually all of it's support and eventually collapse.
"BTW, these were the first steel structures that "collapesed" due to fire damage in the history of steel structured buildings"
They were also the first steel structured buildings in history that were affected by structural damage (due to, I don´t know, perhaps a frigging jumbo jet?!) and being set alight at the same time.
well no shit fucktard. the plane colliding on the core structure of the builing wouldve resulted in a temperature well over the melting point of steel. tens of thousands of degrees.
Well, dick 4 brains, there has never been a incident of a building coming down from fire or from a fire by plane crashing into it. Several buildings have burned for over 18 hrs and they didn't fall.
If jet fuel melted the steel cores in WTC then why is there photographic evidence of "clean" burn marks through the cores? Thermite is hot enough to cleanly burn through steel, but burning jet fuel is not (thats why Kerosene heaters dont melt even if you leave them on all night). You also should bear in mind that the yellow flames from WTC and black smoke indicate a LOW temperature from the Jet fuel fire. This isnt conjecture, its science.
Okay, Im first gonna say that if you regularly refer to things saying its basic science then you really need to stop that. I mean, you are right about what you say but you sound stupid. Anyways: the existence of the molten steel was created by the collision of the plane into the steel structure of the building, when you have a Boeing traveling at 1400kmh going to close to 0 in one or two seconds, then all that Kinetic Energy will convert to thermal energy reaching 10s of thousands of degrees.
You must be joking. Remember, the planes hit the Towers 800-1000 ft up. These extreme temps were buried under tons of rubble. Research before making statements like that. Here's a start...
watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw
Here's more evidence of high temps generated underneath the Towers.
Well, if you took your head out of your azz long enough, you'd notice molten melted steel at the base of the buildings. They're showing you molten steel at the base of the towers and your dumb azz is still talking about the fire weakened the steel.
I'm confused. If the fires were on 98th (North) and 84th (South) floors, just how did it cause molten metal/steel/whatever in the basement levels? Did the fires take an elevator 1000 ft down? Please help....
How do you know it´s the freaking basement levels? It´s in a big heap of rubble. Hell, for that thing, in a big heap of rubble, there´s plenty room for molten metal to to what liquid substances do: Obeying gravity by flowing downwards.
And, of course, your molten steel is bunk anyway. The molten metal seen dripping out the impact site was aluminium.
In case you missed it: The fires were still burning when the buildings came down.
And then, molten metal has that little habit of flowing downwards. Its rather logical that the molten stuff would flow down and pool at the base of the heap.
And, of course, all those residues are not mysteries like those videis call it, those ar all from substances you´d find there anyway.
So yeah, a lot of conjecture but no substance. And it has all been debunked already.
A little common sense here. Since the Towers fell into the basements, whatever was in the basements stayed there now with tons of rubble on top of them. Fires/molten metal would not "seep" through tons of rubble that way. No mysteries? Overthrown and cars/firetrucks melted beyong recognition at ground level are not mysteries? Can you point to another fire/buiding collapse with these events?
"Fires/molten metal would not "seep" through tons of rubble that way."
Is it watertight? No. So no apparrent reason to not think it would seep. And, again, all that stuff has already been debunked on various sites. I ain´t wasting time with that, consideirng you can easily type )/11 debunked into Google and read away. And ho, unlike CT babbling, those things can actually be verified with good ol science.
Storage batterys of what sulphuric? It was ban years ago they use alkaline phosphorus, They use Nikle Cadmium in the Back up lights witch by the way are in Stair Wells good, Sulphuric acid? ahahahahahahahahahah people can you belive that lieing bullshitting shil
H2SO4? and you lefty pervert, im always going to shut your shit spewing shill mouth, According to you, You Know everything seen every thing done everything, The truth movments never going to die shit head,and if you had a real pair of Balls you would challenge me to meet,.Not only could i re educate you, But your body as well in new ways to discovering pain
You can excellerate the speed of thermate by shapeing a charge like Cordex with it, Even Coppersulphate,My faves AntimonyTriSulfide.
Heres a nifty trick, take a bagie filled with water, 1 M80 thunderflash, Tape the M80 to a door, Tape the bag of water behind it, Light it and stand there, The charge will blow right through the door makeing a dollar sized hole, Excellated thermate is widely used through out the world,
You so full of shit ive been to several pages you say your this and and everything pending the comment, like some stooped old know it all lefty lost his testicle, man would love to meet you face to face.
bush's little brother was in charge of security leading up to 911. the towers were powered-down during to weekends shortly before 911. highly paid or otherwise motivated evildoers went in and rigged wtc 1,2 & 7 with Thermite and Thermate(which they aquired from Cheney). The substance can eat thru steel instantly like a hot knife thru butter. It was the only way to get congress to help Cheney get at the oil in Iraq before the French did.
Except that rigging buildings that big is something you don´t do on a few weekends, in secret. Rigging a building a fraction of that size for a demolition needs weeks or work, on workhours, including extensive damage to the interior. no way in hell to keep that secret.
And, pray tell, how do you get hundreds of well motivated/paid evildoers. FOr that is what you need for this entire stuff, hundreds of people. And the oil in Iraq? LOL, there are far easier and more plentiful sources than that.
I've heard this crap many times. Why didn't anyone notice demo charges being placed? I work in a building with roughly 2000 employees. There's construction going on all of the time. But, I couldn't tell you what these construction workers are actually doing. Why would I care? Now, think about one of the busiest buildings in the world. Why would anyone notice or care? And demo charges are not placed next to the water coolers, they are placed on the infrastructure.
You're kidding, right? Construction workers was just an example. My point is that your average Joe Blow carrying spools of wire and other materials would not be noticed is out of the ordinary for a busy building. And it's highly unlikely that anyone (other than security) would notice or care.
And your point falls still flat on it´s face because the collapse bagen in the struck levels, not in the basement. Said levels contained all kinds of offices. quite hard bringing in *tons* of thermite there. And now you´re saying *all* the security where in? Yeah, riiiight. And hey, nobody *ever* even saw anything of the sort, but hey, we can still make wild guesses against the facts, right?
So no, there is not a single shred of evidence for explosives of any kind.
cycimian, you are such a stupid littl;e twit you barely pass for human. The buildings were all full of storage batteries, as is any large office complex that requires constant world-wide communications and emergency lighting for miles of windowless stairwells. Now unti you gain some applicable life experience and education, go away and stop annoying the adults.
Steel with sulfur, huh? Sounds familiar. Big problem here. First, something has to generate temps of 1000C. An open air fire and blk smoke is not a good source. Second, temps were found closer to 1500 and 2000C. Third, how could these fires sustain themselves for weeks/months buried under tons of rubble with little or no oxygen? Answer: Mr. Wizard says, "They can't"
Let's try this...can you provide me with visual evidence of a hydrocarbon fire that DOESN'T produce black smoke? Black smoke does not neccesarily indicate an oxygen-starved fire; you have to consider the material being burned.
Do you think there might have been carpet in the WTC? Have you ever burned a carpet or rug? What color smoke did it produce?
I have torched off fires of 500 to 5000 gallons of JP-4, sometimes poured around actual airframes, sometimes around steel mock-up. Never saw it burn except with a huge plume of black smoke. I have seen it melt aluminum and turn steel cherry-red. Steel mock-ups had about a one-year service life before they had to be rebuilt because they warp.
Exactly right...these people who are surprised that burning hydrocarbons produce dirty black smoke apparently have never used gasoline or lighter fluid to start a fire.
You have to consider the materials being burned, as I said.
BBC reported that WTC7 collapsed 20 min before it actually happened. BBC and the FDNY in cahoost? Can we also use seismic data from Columbia/Palisades to determine the collapse times also? This happens to be where the "truthers" got their (8-10 secs) free fall speeds of the WTCs.
Why didn't Professor Jones make any attempt to get his "work" peer-reviewed? What was he afraid his colleagues" would discover about his parculiar pursuit of the scientific method? Where's the Barium Nitrate? Oh, wait, that's right...he finally said he FOUND BN in the rubble...after it was pointed out thatto him it SHOULD be there if thermite/ate was used!
Even the title of this video is stupid. Thermite is NOT an explosive. This is the kind of near-science that drives the conspiracy theory. Whoever made this video heard the idiotic theory of thermite at the WTC and concluded that thermite must be some kind of bomb. Pure genius. I mean the Twin Towers blew up, right?
This video was meant to create dialogue. That's all. Whether thermite (or some analog/variant) was used to create those extreme temps in the basements of the Towers and WTC7 is a small piece of this puzzle. Also, the word "explosive" is used with the assumption that it was used in conjunction with an explosive and because of it's reactivity.
No matter what evidence comes to light about Dr. Jones and his "science", they defend him. No matter how many times you show them that the amount of sulfur in the rubble doesn't correspond to thermate, they scoff.
No matter how many times you ask, "Where's the barium nitrate?" they come back with an excuse. These people are idiots. They don't like real science, they like Jones and his Playskool chemistry set.
Elkahatchee9 your not saying the evil bush and his murderes had nothing to do with the demolition of the towers are you?, it dosn,t matter if it was a thermite or a thermal bombs. {BOMBS THEy WHERE AND THEY DID IT!!!!!!!!]
Yeah, that's right. I'm saying the Bush admin had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not supporting or defending Bush, I didn't vote for him, and I'm looking forward to the day when the office of the President is held by someone who can actually speak intelligently in public.
But Bush, et al, implicated in some kind of convoluted 9/11 conspiracy?
1. Let's hear your version of the collapse time of WTC7. 6, 7, 10 secs? Free fall is around 6. Remember, I said NEAR free fall. The fact that any of these massive steel buildings came down anywhere near free fall is not logical.
2. Molten metal is common? How did this heat (or even sulfur fused with steel) sustain itself buried under tons of rubble for weeks/months with little or no oxygen?
3. Take note of the Verizon building and post office right next to WTC7 before and after the collapse. Notice anything? They are NOT significantly damaged. FEMA estimated WTC7's average debris field radius at 70 ft. 70ft, from a building 610 ft high, 330 ft long and 140ft wide!! What exactly would you call falling into it's own footprint?
4. Don't need X-ray specs for this. The damage/fire was limited to the South side of the building at floors 8-18, but the East Penthouse (some 30 floors up) was the first structure to collapse. Then, there's a couple secs pause followed by global collapse. Asymmetrical damage should=asymmetrical collapse. Simple physics anyone?
As you proved, it WAS asymetrical. First the East PH--one corner--then the rest of the building.
Ooooops!
Plus, like the way we make up new compounds. Any demo guy will tell you thermite was slow burning, and ill suited for demolition. So they change it now to "explosie thermite!!"
On youtube, see 9/11 DEBUNKED: THERMITE CHEMICAL SIGNATURES DISPROVEN
Where's the barium nitrate? Why doesn't the amount of sulfur match the amount of thermite/ate required to cause collapse at the WTC? Why didn't Professor Steven Jones get his paper peer-reviewed?
Why dont YOU learn something about aluminothermic mixtures, jeezus you armchair CTist and your bullshit techno-babble. WILL IT EVER STOP, PLEASE JUST GO FIND SOME WHY OF KILLING YOURSELF CONSPIRACY STYLE!!
really?Tons of molten iron isolated with beton powder,deef in the underground?Do you really think that it will be solid after a fewm moments?Grmas of thermite makes really fast cooling drops of iron,but for example 30-50 kg of thermite can made 30 min lasting pool..
Your eyes are deceiving you. The tower was damaged from the airliner impact in that corner, and the struts and floor began sagging. The temperatures inside the tower caused the aluminum of the fuselage to melt and melted alumnium flows through the path of least resistance... thus out the hole you see.
First problem. Molten Aluminum is silvery gray. Second problem. I don't believe it was hot enough to melt chocolate at the impact hole considering that many ppl were waving from these smoke filled windows. Search Edna Cintron for one. My two pennies.
Whether you want to believe it or not, it was a towering inferno inside the towers. Tell the firefighters who went up there in full gear to put out the fire (most of whom died) that it wasn't worth their time (or lives) to worry about the fire since it could hardly melt chocolate. You are disgusting in your denial.
It's not about belief, it's about the facts, ma'am. Where's yours?
My videos are here to honor those who died on 911 by seeking out the truth. I didn't see any facts presented, but here's mine: You mentioned firefighters. Here's a direct quote from Chief Orio Palmer, one of the acting firefighters on 911: Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
Yes. That is one radio transmission from one battalion from one ladder.
Code Ones are dead civilians. Fires barely hot enough to melt chocolate do not cause code ones.
Jet fuel ignited carpets, drapes, furniature, plastics, etc. inside the towers. There's your inferno. An isolated radio transmission taken out of context to further your agenda, whatever that may be.
You honor no one but the terrorists responsible for this attack on American soil. Isn't it time for you to pray west now?
Please research this. An open air fire (carpets, drapes, furniture) can not weaken steel to the point of a building collapse. Otherwise, this kind of collapse would've happened many times before 911. A steel high rise has NEVER collapsed due to fire before OR after 911. On 911, it happened 3 times. Doesn't that tell you something. Use logic.
(Continued) Also, how do you explain the free fall speeds (8-10 secs) of the WTC collapse? And the collapse falling faster than gravity? Both of these of these occurences were scientifically impossible before and after 911 also. Explain the many eyewitness accounts of precollapse explosions heard (and felt) in places like the WTC basement. Most of these were from firefighters. See my vids, "WTC Basement Explosions" and "EyeWitness Accounts of WTC Explosions" posted here.
(Continued) "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay." Just TWO firefighters to knock down this so-called towering inferno? It seems this firefighter was not overly concerned with the strength of the fires and believed he could control it. Also, there is not enough heat generated (max temp) from an open air or "dirty" fire to melt or weaken steel. Your court.
You can't figure out how 220 acres of steel and concrete coupled with fires can cause structural damage to nearby bldgs that share the same sub-basement foundation? The debris pile from WTC1&2 alone was 15+ acres. 30% of the S side of WTC7 was obliterated which caused a pronounced list. Add fires...
If you can't figure it out, then it's going to take another KSM to plan another "planes operation" to open your eyes..... I for one do not want that to happen. Do you?
How could you sit and watch the video of building 7 falling and tell anyone that the scattered fires inside that building caused all 96 columns fail completely and simultainously so that it fell almost strait down as if their were nothing holding that building up but air?
Thermite is not an explosive. It's a powder. In order for it to "melt" through steel it has to come into contact with the steel. How does your conspiracy theory account for the massive simultaneous delivery that would be required to weaken the WTC? Let alone how that much could be installed in each of the buildings. Let alone how no one noticed it.... Come ON!
Since the official story (really a theory without the word "conspiracy" in front of it) makes no sense logically, and scientifically, these are merely suggestions of what could've happened. As far as my research has shown, there is no logical explanation for the molten metal discovered in the basements of the North, South Towers and WTC7. Enter thermite, used in conjuction with an explosive demolition charge. Not just powder alone.
oh... explosives AND thermite! I should have known. You still don't answer my question on how to account for the massive simultaneous delivery, and how were they installed, and why did no one notice....
And now since there are explosives invloved, why didn't anyone report the near simultaneous explosives that would have been required to take down the towers? Where's your proof? you're a joke
See my video "Could explosives have been planted in the WTCs? (Parts 1&2)" for the possible window of opportunity to plant explosives. Two questions that I'd like you to answer are: How is it possible for both building to collapse at near free faliing speeds(8-10secs)? And where did this molten metal in the basements in the North, South and WTC7 come from? A joke? Ok, but the inabiltiy to see logic and evaluate video evidence within reason is not funny at all.
What about the power downs? There were certainly opportunities to plant the explosive materials... As for "proof," since nearly all the steel was hauled away and destroyed before it could be examined there's not a whole lot to work with, but what about the molten metal left behind weeks after 9/11? What could have caused that if the fire was only hot enough to weaken the structural steel, not melt it? And it wasn't aluminum from the airplanes because it was under wtc 7 as well.
Well it certainly wasn't molten aluminum, so what the hell was it?
Even according to NIST all the jet fuel burned off in about 10 or 15 minutes, so all that was left to burn and supposedly weaken the steel "by 50%" or whatever was office furniture, carpets, paper, rugs, curtains etc. ... besides, the smoke was black... it wasn't a raging inferno it was an oxygen starved fire... people were standing in the gap where the plane went through... it WASN'T THAT HOT...
One of the "theories" is that the massive amount of kinetic energy created from the building collapse transfered floor by floor into heat energy and caused this molten metal in the basements of all three buildings. Mommy, please read my another fairy tale.
One of the reasons the controlled demo claim is absurd is that the collapses start at the top & there's no structural weakening of the lower floors before the collapse wave arrives. So a demolition of each floor has to be timed so that the demo explosions occur just as the collapse wave arrives. That's already implausible, but with thermite, which doesn't explode & takes time to burn through steel, each column cut would have to be completed at the very moment the collapse wave arrives.
Thermite only burns vertically, so it's not useful for making horizontal or diagonal cuts on steel columns. Some have speculated that there could be some kind of thermite gel that would help direct the cut in a sideways direction. But that's just speculation.
Thermite is unlikely to be the reason for the weeks of high heat in the debris piles. While it does burn at a high enough temp to melt steel, its reaction is fast and it cools quickly. How would it keep steel/metal molten after it has stopped reacting?
Thermate is not used for controlled demolitions. Besides, Jones did not find thermate, he found sulfur, which is a marker for a variety of things, including burning rubber and gypsum wallboard. To suggest thermate, the marker must be something that you would NOT expect to find.
Molten aluminum does not glow. Aluminum melts at about 650 C and no glowing occurs at such low temperature (in daylight).
Glowchart shows that the metal on the video is over 1100 C hot. In addition the video is shot at daylight which makes glow colors seem much colder. It is plausible that the metal is indeed molten steel.
kaupallinenjeesus 2 months ago
Back to your grassy knolls scientific illiterates
metalebd 5 months ago
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Only in America - the AIPAC removed 280,000 tons of criminal evidence steel right under the noses of the sum dum goys !!
halani 5 months ago
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The mythbusters guys set off 1000 pounds of thermite to try to burn a car in half. To see how they did, check out my video:
Incendiary Experiments
punxsutawneybarney 7 months ago
The laws of physics don't tell lies......9/11 = Inside Job
Born2Flesh 8 months ago
One form of thermite is a mix of iron-oxide and aluminum.
What is steel made of? IRON.
What is the chemical process that occurs during a fire? OXIDATION.
What are airplanes made of? ALUMINUM.
Use your brains, you stupid fucking assholes. If a crude form of thermite were found, that's just more proof that explosives were not needed to bring the towers down.
Every "truth"er is a fucking moron. Without exception. You all are FUCKING MORONS.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
"Use your brains, you stupid fucking assholes"
Ask yourself this. Why would a normal person get this angry over someone elses opinion unless there was an agenda?
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Your opinion is illegitimate and insensitive to the victims. There are certain, rare circumstances where intolerance of another person's opinion is acceptable. This is one of those circumstances. If a racist says that they believe black people are the cause of all the country's problems, should it be accepted? You asked what the other person's stake in 9/11 was because they were Canadian.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
No idea what you're talking about, but there has been no mention of disrespect to the victims on this page by anyone. This is just a guilt ploy used by 911 shills and it won't work. Try something new, ok? Of course, you are not going to answer what your stake is in this because it is to defend the 911 lie. We both it know it.
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 You just get dumber and dumberer. I could do what "truth"ers do and just make stuff up about what my "stake" is. By asking that question, you make it clear that the only reason YOU care is because you hate the government and think they had something to do with it. If you didn't think it was a conspiracy, you wouldn't care about the 3,000 people. Well done, idiot.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
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And I thought it was just a simple question. LOL
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@muzicmaker2001 "And I thought it was just a simple question."
Well, you're wrong about a lot of things related to 9/11. Simple or not, it's a stupid question, like I said.
And, like I said, asking it just proves that you don't give a fuck about the victims. Your self-perception is zero.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Truthers are exposing or seeking the truth. Thus, the term. And yourself?
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 "Truthers are exposing or seeking the truth"
That's what you SAY, but, in reality, you're just seeking anything that will reinforce your beliefs. You're like religious nuts who say they're only seeking "truth". You ignore facts that contradict your beliefs, like the fact that steel doesn't need to melt for it to be weakened to the point of collapse, or the fact that "pull it" means nothing in demolition speak, or the fact that no evidence for explosives was found anywhere.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
THE TRUTH:
1. Near free fall collapse
2. Witness accounts of explosions
3. Pulverized concrete at initiation of collapse
4. Pre-collapse ground shaking
5. Demolition flashes
6. No physical evidence of extreme heat at impact hole but..
7. Extreme temps buried in basement/rubble for weeks
8. Nano-thermite discovered
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 I've wasted enough time on this, but I would just like to point out that when someone says they know the truth, or they tell the truth, they are usually lying. That's not a fact, just an observation.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Says the person who just gave us his education on thermite? Observation
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
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leeking007 4 months ago
It's easy to see you're full of shit and lies.
Born2Flesh 8 months ago
@Born2Flesh lol. Fuck off, troll. You need to get laid.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
What does sex have to do with your obvious lies and the use of thermate at the WTC? I'm a good looking chap, and I've never had problems with getting sex. So lets get back to the False Flag Operation of 9/11
Born2Flesh 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Nano Thermite Composition:
gray-red bi-layer
hard ceramic gray layer composed of iron and oxygen
Nano-engineered red layer comprosing:
1. semi-transparent matrix layer containing silicon, oxygen, and carbon
2. Embedded in the matrix are particles consisting of hexagonal plates of mostly mostly aluminum
and rhombic grains mostly iron and oxygen, probably as Fe2O3
All of this is not visible until magnified at 50,000X.
muzicmaker2001 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Gj for being dumber than dirt.
Xendrius 2 months ago
i just wanted to point out that no one comenting on this is a chemist...all that any of you know is what you are told. i am of the mind that something happened on 9-11 that we werent told about by our govt. but i do not act as if i have the knowledge to understand any of it...but by the evidence ive seen and the weak rebuttle by debunkers id have to say that conspiracy theorist are still up by a few points<<this is just my opinion tho
hardhatg69 1 year ago
@hardhatg69 also..idk why there isnt an open debate on this....sure there are seperate pages...truthseekers and debunk 9-11 or w/e...but there needs to be one page where engineers and chemist, people who actually know what they are talking about, can go and debate the evidence......because honestly i tired of reading these stupid comments by people on both sides of the issue debating things they dont even understand completely..its pointless
hardhatg69 1 year ago
@hardhatg69 not exactly an "open" debate, but there are peer-reviewed papers and more scientific opinions than found youtube: 911truth.org/
OregonCoastGhost 1 year ago
YES YES YES
zenoist2 1 year ago
NO skyscraper has ever collapsed in the world from fire. You are telling me that the most advanced nation in the world cannot build the two most important buildings so that they resist fire? Ha Americans are the best engineers. This is simply not possible.
BASSAROVER 1 year ago
@BASSAROVER This is not true...other buildings HAVE come down. See the series "911 debunked...one myth at a time" on Youtube to see this
watersong111 1 year ago
firefighters were filmed on 9/11 describing hearing bombs, and the explosions going in sequence down the floors. Boom, boom t he NYFD firemen described. As they said, "Just like controlled demolition". Many reporters, policemen, witnesses, and people in the buildings described hearing explosions. Many descibe it as sounding and looking like controlled demolition.
kathyeen 1 year ago
Jeffrey Shapiro, Washington DC prosecutor, FOX News, April 22, 2010: "I was working for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day. I arrived at Ground Zero shortly after the Twin Towers fell, in the danger zone created by Building 7. Shortly before the building collapsed, NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building."
operationnorthwoodz 1 year ago
Depends what type it is.
Theres lots of different grade thermite/ thermate.
I find it typical that explosives were not even tested for and then proudly announced no trace of explosives found.
zenoist2 1 year ago
thermite burns slow not explodes
williepie 1 year ago
Of course not one single NY firefighter that was there actually believes there were any bombs.
Kind of puts a real turd in your punchbowl, doesn't it?
MsgtSpook 2 years ago
9 scientists dissagree:
"Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
@MsgtSpook It's painfully obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
firefightersfor911truth(dot)org
The4LA2Baker0 1 year ago
@MsgtSpook yet at the tine they all where saying they heard bombs going off there/s
video tape out there that puts a turd in your punch bowel buddy.
OUTOFGAS88 1 year ago
@MsgtSpook then how come there are videos of fire-fighters talking about explosions and bombs in the WTC?
Arfat 1 year ago
Google "radioactive mini-nuke fragments"
WTCnucleardemolition 2 years ago
Everything is a "deep mystery" to the NY Times. They are still mystified by the wheel... whoa, how does it work?
ybnvs2 2 years ago
Hey Mr. Jones... you should ask the University you attended to give your money back. You are a delusional idiot.
ybnvs2 2 years ago
"Steven Jones did what i would have done and analyse the dust"
I can believe that, since you're as dumb as he is.
He found iron rust and aluminum -- nothing else. Not a big shock in a burned bldg made of steel, hit by hundreds of tons of aluminum .
Pretending this is evidence of thermite requires a total ignorance of chemistry.
Cutter charges make a blast heard for 5 or 6 miles away -- none heard on 9-11 except for tiny explosions (loud noises) INSIDE the bldgs.
Explain that, dipshits.
blaupunkt455 2 years ago
"It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."- NYC Paramedic Daniel Rivera
"It almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight"- NYFD Firefighter Thomas Turilli
It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."- NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago 10
@muzicmaker2001 Hmmm...."seems like"...."almost sounded like"..... "It was like"....
Now THAT"S firm evidence !!!!.
watersong111 1 year ago
@watersong111
As a disinfo agent, would you really know what firm evidence is? And just curious, what's your stake in this as a Canadian citizen?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@muzicmaker2001 To keep "wack jobs" from stirring the pot. Get alife folks...seriously. canadians died in the twin towers... to claim it was anything but a terrorist attack disrespects those countrymen of mine....
watersong111 1 year ago
@muzicmaker2001 24 Canadian citizens died in the WTC, you ignorant piece of shit. If you really do love America, like "truth"ers claim they do, you will kill yourself. The USA will be better off without you.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Please seek help.
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 I have extreme contempt for you ignorant retards. Do something worthwhile with your lives.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
If we are ignorant retards in your eyes, why are you debating with us? Thik about that.
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 "debating"? It's not a debate if you don't even know the subject you're talking about. This is one reason I have such contempt. You didn't even know that 24 canadians died on 9/11, that 9/11 was a GLOBAL disaster, even though it happened within American borders.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Speaking of ignorance, read the post again. I asked what his stake was a canadian citizen. Obviously, he is here to defend the 911 lie. And what is your stake in this? Just a hobby?
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 I don't think you even know what "stake" means. Here is my understanding: "Personal interest or involvement". Is that how you are using it?
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Is that why YOU just looked it up? But, ok. What's your "personal interest or involvement" in this? Better? LOL
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Of course I looked it up, fool! I want to make sure there isn't some alternative meaning I'm ignorant of. What would you expect me to do? Assume my own opinion is fact? That's what a "truth"er does. LMAO! Your post is proof you don't know the difference between fact, conjecture, and opinion. You make yourself look dumber with every post.
I'm not going to answer your question "what is your stake in this?" It's a stupid question. Being a human isn't enough?
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
It's a combination of the two,
- explosives used to PULVERIZE concrete
- thermite on the joints of the trusses.
- cutter charges in conjunction with thermite/mate.
- what explains the wtc meteorite? and thats only a fraction of the 1% saved from the wtc complex.
- what explains the eyewitness accounts of Molten metal running down depper into the rubble pile?
Steven Jones did what i would have done and analyse the dust..unignited thermate found/and microspheres found.
loaded gun.
realistromeo 3 years ago
Anyone who thinks thermite is an "explosive" needs to stay in the shallow end of the pool.
Thermite has NEVER been used in controlled demo because it CAN'T be used.
Controlled demo only works because the cutting of beams & columns is timed precisely, to the millisecond. Thermite is highly unpredictable and CANNOT be timed so that the failure point happens even to the closest MINUTE.
Pure nonsense, as anyone who's ever used thermite well knows.
blueshark69 3 years ago
blueshark69 you need to head to the shallow end of the pool! Your over your head. professional debunker hmmm.
semprejudy 2 years ago
Is that why there is a patented version of thermite called "thermate" used in large scale demolitions everywhere?
saberliner14 2 years ago
Lol you have to realise that the FBI and Military were involved in this! they easily could have done this in elevator shafts, VACANT FLOORS.. above the sheet rock or drywall, in between the trusses, how many people saw the asbestos covered trusses? Hmmm?
And don't forget night time, they had free reign then.
To say it is impossible is laughable, but there were hints, one video aluded to traces of dust in the mornings found on windows and ventilator shafts openings
concrete demo :)
realistromeo 3 years ago
"they easily could have done this in elevator shafts, VACANT FLOORS"
It takes months of large, full-time crews to rig a much smaller bldg, using lots of heavy equipment, WITHOUT trying to hide anything.
And that's AFTER the bldg has been completely stripped, all NLB walls removed, and all steel structures pre-cut with a torch, up to 90%.
How many YEARS would it take to do this while hiding every trace of this work?
Ain't happening. It's bullshit.
blueshark69 3 years ago
I doubt they used the explosive thermite. That´s because thermite is NOT an explosive.
Thermite doesn´t blow things up, it burns through them. As that, it is far too unpredictable to be used for controlled demolition.
Additionally, it does, when bruning through things, NOT create clean cuts, but rather ragged holes.
Magni56 3 years ago
For those who will research instead of bah like sheep, look at the Madrid Windsor, the Meridian fire, and several others like them that burned for 15-35x as long as the WTC towers burned, look at the black smoke within minutes representing an oxygen deprived fire (i.e., VERY low temperature); look at Edna Cintron and dozens of others standing on this 'hot' exterior steel, waving for people to come rescue them ... Stop postulating conjecture and start critically thinking!
freakmon76 3 years ago 2
Listen people, don't get steamed about this stuff when explaining it to others. What we believe and what we know is totally true and those that don't believe this only have their stubbornness to blame.
Leave the irrational anger to the sheep.
nolmhash 3 years ago
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this video is totally false anyone who disagrees with me. Debate me the facts of 9/11. All the fucking nutjob 9/11 conspiracies all false
jonLukasC 3 years ago
"we're out of time" yeah sure you were. how conveinient
CadeMcNown1 3 years ago 2
the military uses thermate, not thermite. its somewhat different. besides, the use of this substance isnt necesarry what so ever. you dont need to melt steel in order to make the building collapse, you only need to weaken the fuck out of it. which is precisely what the fire did. it melted to the steel so that the part of the building above the fire had no support, thus it collapsed.
4thDimensionFilms 3 years ago
thermate is a hell of alot more powerful n dangerous than thermite
aceletadragon359 3 years ago 2
BTW, these were the first steel structures that "collapesed" due to fire damage in the history of steel structured buildings! Several other steel structured buildings have been exposed much higher temperatures than those of the Twin Towers, and survived!
JLAproductions1 3 years ago
dude, those fires at least didint damage the core structure of the building, the twin tower fire did. it caused it to lose virtually all of it's support and eventually collapse.
4thDimensionFilms 3 years ago
"BTW, these were the first steel structures that "collapesed" due to fire damage in the history of steel structured buildings"
They were also the first steel structured buildings in history that were affected by structural damage (due to, I don´t know, perhaps a frigging jumbo jet?!) and being set alight at the same time.
Magni56 3 years ago
Ordinary fire does not melt steel, duh!
shjtyu 3 years ago 4
well no shit fucktard. the plane colliding on the core structure of the builing wouldve resulted in a temperature well over the melting point of steel. tens of thousands of degrees.
4thDimensionFilms 3 years ago
Well, dick 4 brains, there has never been a incident of a building coming down from fire or from a fire by plane crashing into it. Several buildings have burned for over 18 hrs and they didn't fall.
shjtyu 3 years ago 2
And according to tests conducted by NIST, no WTC steel samples saw temperatures of 600 C, which is well below the melting point of steel.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
If jet fuel melted the steel cores in WTC then why is there photographic evidence of "clean" burn marks through the cores? Thermite is hot enough to cleanly burn through steel, but burning jet fuel is not (thats why Kerosene heaters dont melt even if you leave them on all night). You also should bear in mind that the yellow flames from WTC and black smoke indicate a LOW temperature from the Jet fuel fire. This isnt conjecture, its science.
takedownroddy 3 years ago
Okay, Im first gonna say that if you regularly refer to things saying its basic science then you really need to stop that. I mean, you are right about what you say but you sound stupid. Anyways: the existence of the molten steel was created by the collision of the plane into the steel structure of the building, when you have a Boeing traveling at 1400kmh going to close to 0 in one or two seconds, then all that Kinetic Energy will convert to thermal energy reaching 10s of thousands of degrees.
4thDimensionFilms 3 years ago
You must be joking. Remember, the planes hit the Towers 800-1000 ft up. These extreme temps were buried under tons of rubble. Research before making statements like that. Here's a start...
watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw
Here's more evidence of high temps generated underneath the Towers.
watch?v=fPewS4GV1ko
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
@4thDimensionFilms go crawl back into the hole you came out of
achmedfu 1 year ago
"Ordinary fire does not melt steel, duh!"
The fires in the towers didn´t melt the beams, moron. They weakened them, however.
Magni56 3 years ago
Well, if you took your head out of your azz long enough, you'd notice molten melted steel at the base of the buildings. They're showing you molten steel at the base of the towers and your dumb azz is still talking about the fire weakened the steel.
shjtyu 3 years ago
Molten "steel"? Nope, just molten metal. Newsflash: There was more metal in them thar towers than the main supports.
And, of course, nobody ever saw people carrying in the *tons* of thermite needed to cut reliably through something as solid as those beams.
Still nothing debunking911 doesn´t dismantle in a second.
Magni56 3 years ago
I'm confused. If the fires were on 98th (North) and 84th (South) floors, just how did it cause molten metal/steel/whatever in the basement levels? Did the fires take an elevator 1000 ft down? Please help....
seeknthetruth 3 years ago
How do you know it´s the freaking basement levels? It´s in a big heap of rubble. Hell, for that thing, in a big heap of rubble, there´s plenty room for molten metal to to what liquid substances do: Obeying gravity by flowing downwards.
And, of course, your molten steel is bunk anyway. The molten metal seen dripping out the impact site was aluminium.
Magni56 3 years ago
The Towers fell into the basements. The extreme temps were discovered there. Do you really believe fires on those high floors caused this?
watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw
seeknthetruth 3 years ago 7
In case you missed it: The fires were still burning when the buildings came down.
And then, molten metal has that little habit of flowing downwards. Its rather logical that the molten stuff would flow down and pool at the base of the heap.
And, of course, all those residues are not mysteries like those videis call it, those ar all from substances you´d find there anyway.
So yeah, a lot of conjecture but no substance. And it has all been debunked already.
Magni56 3 years ago
A little common sense here. Since the Towers fell into the basements, whatever was in the basements stayed there now with tons of rubble on top of them. Fires/molten metal would not "seep" through tons of rubble that way. No mysteries? Overthrown and cars/firetrucks melted beyong recognition at ground level are not mysteries? Can you point to another fire/buiding collapse with these events?
seeknthetruth 3 years ago
"Fires/molten metal would not "seep" through tons of rubble that way."
Is it watertight? No. So no apparrent reason to not think it would seep. And, again, all that stuff has already been debunked on various sites. I ain´t wasting time with that, consideirng you can easily type )/11 debunked into Google and read away. And ho, unlike CT babbling, those things can actually be verified with good ol science.
Magni56 3 years ago
So much I could say... But comment my channel, and I will comment you. I honestly thing is was thermite
JTFLUNite 3 years ago
Storage batterys of what sulphuric? It was ban years ago they use alkaline phosphorus, They use Nikle Cadmium in the Back up lights witch by the way are in Stair Wells good, Sulphuric acid? ahahahahahahahahahah people can you belive that lieing bullshitting shil
Lefty testical
cycimian 3 years ago
leftys saying it came from sulphuric acid?
H2SO4? and you lefty pervert, im always going to shut your shit spewing shill mouth, According to you, You Know everything seen every thing done everything, The truth movments never going to die shit head,and if you had a real pair of Balls you would challenge me to meet,.Not only could i re educate you, But your body as well in new ways to discovering pain
cycimian 3 years ago
You can excellerate the speed of thermate by shapeing a charge like Cordex with it, Even Coppersulphate,My faves AntimonyTriSulfide.
Heres a nifty trick, take a bagie filled with water, 1 M80 thunderflash, Tape the M80 to a door, Tape the bag of water behind it, Light it and stand there, The charge will blow right through the door makeing a dollar sized hole, Excellated thermate is widely used through out the world,
cycimian 3 years ago
That is not thermite. It is a bomb. None such existed at the WTC. No explosions were involved in setting the collapse in motion.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
youre a turd
elcatrin505 3 years ago 2
You so full of shit ive been to several pages you say your this and and everything pending the comment, like some stooped old know it all lefty lost his testicle, man would love to meet you face to face.
cycimian 3 years ago
bush's little brother was in charge of security leading up to 911. the towers were powered-down during to weekends shortly before 911. highly paid or otherwise motivated evildoers went in and rigged wtc 1,2 & 7 with Thermite and Thermate(which they aquired from Cheney). The substance can eat thru steel instantly like a hot knife thru butter. It was the only way to get congress to help Cheney get at the oil in Iraq before the French did.
earthpains 3 years ago
oh come on, if they wanted the buildings to collapse then they wouldve ran a plane into, not be a dumbass an use thermite.
4thDimensionFilms 3 years ago
Except that rigging buildings that big is something you don´t do on a few weekends, in secret. Rigging a building a fraction of that size for a demolition needs weeks or work, on workhours, including extensive damage to the interior. no way in hell to keep that secret.
And, pray tell, how do you get hundreds of well motivated/paid evildoers. FOr that is what you need for this entire stuff, hundreds of people. And the oil in Iraq? LOL, there are far easier and more plentiful sources than that.
Magni56 3 years ago
I've heard this crap many times. Why didn't anyone notice demo charges being placed? I work in a building with roughly 2000 employees. There's construction going on all of the time. But, I couldn't tell you what these construction workers are actually doing. Why would I care? Now, think about one of the busiest buildings in the world. Why would anyone notice or care? And demo charges are not placed next to the water coolers, they are placed on the infrastructure.
seeknthetruth 3 years ago
"Why didn't anyone notice demo charges being placed? I work in a building with roughly 2000 employees. There's construction going on all of the time."
Yet nobody noticed any construction work in the towers or WTC 7 prior to 9/11... so your little assessment falls flat on its face.
Magni56 3 years ago
You're kidding, right? Construction workers was just an example. My point is that your average Joe Blow carrying spools of wire and other materials would not be noticed is out of the ordinary for a busy building. And it's highly unlikely that anyone (other than security) would notice or care.
watch?v=0QlpSKXVX7c
watch?v=e1P1vb0KrDo
seeknthetruth 3 years ago
And your point falls still flat on it´s face because the collapse bagen in the struck levels, not in the basement. Said levels contained all kinds of offices. quite hard bringing in *tons* of thermite there. And now you´re saying *all* the security where in? Yeah, riiiight. And hey, nobody *ever* even saw anything of the sort, but hey, we can still make wild guesses against the facts, right?
So no, there is not a single shred of evidence for explosives of any kind.
Magni56 3 years ago
DEBUNKED? :DDD
This sulfur signatures are in steel. And small feromagnertic parts full of sulfur. Created after reaction - exothermic.
leptopp 4 years ago
Exposing welding fume to fire and sulphuric acid will do it, too.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
how much fucking h2so4 lefty would be needed and where the fuck did that come from, man you spew shit faster then a cow with the shitz
cycimian 3 years ago
cycimian, you are such a stupid littl;e twit you barely pass for human. The buildings were all full of storage batteries, as is any large office complex that requires constant world-wide communications and emergency lighting for miles of windowless stairwells. Now unti you gain some applicable life experience and education, go away and stop annoying the adults.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
Molten metal:
Steel can melt with sulfur (from the burned drywall) at 1000 C. Small peices of steel can melt w/out the aid of sulfur at 1300 C.
It's really no surprise to find molten metal in the rubble because the fire was insulated,
with very little heat lost to the environment.
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
Steel with sulfur, huh? Sounds familiar. Big problem here. First, something has to generate temps of 1000C. An open air fire and blk smoke is not a good source. Second, temps were found closer to 1500 and 2000C. Third, how could these fires sustain themselves for weeks/months buried under tons of rubble with little or no oxygen? Answer: Mr. Wizard says, "They can't"
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
Let's try this...can you provide me with visual evidence of a hydrocarbon fire that DOESN'T produce black smoke? Black smoke does not neccesarily indicate an oxygen-starved fire; you have to consider the material being burned.
Do you think there might have been carpet in the WTC? Have you ever burned a carpet or rug? What color smoke did it produce?
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
I have torched off fires of 500 to 5000 gallons of JP-4, sometimes poured around actual airframes, sometimes around steel mock-up. Never saw it burn except with a huge plume of black smoke. I have seen it melt aluminum and turn steel cherry-red. Steel mock-ups had about a one-year service life before they had to be rebuilt because they warp.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
Exactly right...these people who are surprised that burning hydrocarbons produce dirty black smoke apparently have never used gasoline or lighter fluid to start a fire.
You have to consider the materials being burned, as I said.
Elkahatchee9 3 years ago
"How could these fires sustain themselves for weeks/months buried under tons of rubble with little or no oxygen?"
Fires? I thought we were talking about pools of molten metal.
Again, no surprise...just consider all the flammable material available, compressed, insulated under tons of rubble, smouldering away.
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
I like lists so much I made two!
-FDNY observed damage to 7 from the collapse of the twin towers & set up a 'collapse zone' 2 hours before the event
-No demolition blast was seen, heard, or detected by seismic equipment
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
BBC reported that WTC7 collapsed 20 min before it actually happened. BBC and the FDNY in cahoost? Can we also use seismic data from Columbia/Palisades to determine the collapse times also? This happens to be where the "truthers" got their (8-10 secs) free fall speeds of the WTCs.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
Why didn't Professor Jones make any attempt to get his "work" peer-reviewed? What was he afraid his colleagues" would discover about his parculiar pursuit of the scientific method? Where's the Barium Nitrate? Oh, wait, that's right...he finally said he FOUND BN in the rubble...after it was pointed out thatto him it SHOULD be there if thermite/ate was used!
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
The following Youtube videos are must-see material for anyone confused about the collapse of the WTC:
BUT WTC 7 WASN'T HIT BY A PLANE!
PROOF OF NO CONTROLLED DEMOLITION
PROOF OF NO CONTROLLED DEMOLITION-SOUTH TOWER 9/11
9/11 DEBUNKED: THERMITE CHEMICAL SIGNATURES DISPROVEN
Watch and see for yourself that...
'TRUTHERS" LIE!
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
Even the title of this video is stupid. Thermite is NOT an explosive. This is the kind of near-science that drives the conspiracy theory. Whoever made this video heard the idiotic theory of thermite at the WTC and concluded that thermite must be some kind of bomb. Pure genius. I mean the Twin Towers blew up, right?
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
This video was meant to create dialogue. That's all. Whether thermite (or some analog/variant) was used to create those extreme temps in the basements of the Towers and WTC7 is a small piece of this puzzle. Also, the word "explosive" is used with the assumption that it was used in conjunction with an explosive and because of it's reactivity.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
Oh, I get it, it's not a stupid mistake, it's a carefully crafted plot...of course.
My mistake.
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
two thumbs down, you armchair CT experts love your lies and love your stories. One day we will look back on these videos and laugh at you.
ThisCrush 4 years ago
"One day?" I'm laughing my ass off right now!
No matter what evidence comes to light about Dr. Jones and his "science", they defend him. No matter how many times you show them that the amount of sulfur in the rubble doesn't correspond to thermate, they scoff.
No matter how many times you ask, "Where's the barium nitrate?" they come back with an excuse. These people are idiots. They don't like real science, they like Jones and his Playskool chemistry set.
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
Elkahatchee9 your not saying the evil bush and his murderes had nothing to do with the demolition of the towers are you?, it dosn,t matter if it was a thermite or a thermal bombs. {BOMBS THEy WHERE AND THEY DID IT!!!!!!!!]
jaythevictor 4 years ago
" [BOMBS THEy WHERE AND THEY DID IT!!!!!!]"
Yeah, that's right. I'm saying the Bush admin had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not supporting or defending Bush, I didn't vote for him, and I'm looking forward to the day when the office of the President is held by someone who can actually speak intelligently in public.
But Bush, et al, implicated in some kind of convoluted 9/11 conspiracy?
Nah.
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
Here's the evidence supporting the CD of WTC7.
1. Near free fall collapse
2. Extreme temps/molten metal found in the basement
3. Builing falling into it's own footprint
4. Collapse doesn't follow the damage
And a side note: BBC foreknowledge of the collaspe (20 minutes before it actually happened)
Care to discuss each one by one?
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
I'm into lists too! Here's mine:
1. Free fall speed is a truther lie...use your own stopwatch.
2. Molten metal is found even in the rubble of common house fires.
3. Falling into its own footprint is also a truther lie. Debris was spread deep and wide over a large area.
4. Oh, you can see interior damage from the video? How cool for you...X Ray eyes!
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
1. Let's hear your version of the collapse time of WTC7. 6, 7, 10 secs? Free fall is around 6. Remember, I said NEAR free fall. The fact that any of these massive steel buildings came down anywhere near free fall is not logical.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
2. Molten metal is common? How did this heat (or even sulfur fused with steel) sustain itself buried under tons of rubble for weeks/months with little or no oxygen?
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
3. Take note of the Verizon building and post office right next to WTC7 before and after the collapse. Notice anything? They are NOT significantly damaged. FEMA estimated WTC7's average debris field radius at 70 ft. 70ft, from a building 610 ft high, 330 ft long and 140ft wide!! What exactly would you call falling into it's own footprint?
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
3. (cont.)
WTC7 before and after the collapse: Is the debris spread deep and wide over a large area? Nope.
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WTC7 folding up like a deflated accordion: Note the buildings in close proximity.
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muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
4. Don't need X-ray specs for this. The damage/fire was limited to the South side of the building at floors 8-18, but the East Penthouse (some 30 floors up) was the first structure to collapse. Then, there's a couple secs pause followed by global collapse. Asymmetrical damage should=asymmetrical collapse. Simple physics anyone?
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
As you proved, it WAS asymetrical. First the East PH--one corner--then the rest of the building.
Ooooops!
Plus, like the way we make up new compounds. Any demo guy will tell you thermite was slow burning, and ill suited for demolition. So they change it now to "explosie thermite!!"
LOL. one fact debunked, just make up another.
EdgemanLL2 4 years ago
'Was the Explosive Thermite Used on the WTC?'
No.
On youtube, see 9/11 DEBUNKED: THERMITE CHEMICAL SIGNATURES DISPROVEN
Where's the barium nitrate? Why doesn't the amount of sulfur match the amount of thermite/ate required to cause collapse at the WTC? Why didn't Professor Steven Jones get his paper peer-reviewed?
Elkahatchee9 4 years ago
again the barium bullshit?Learn something about aluminothermic mixtures!And don't repeat the Owen's shit.
The sulphur was in the spheres,not in the dust,aslo there was HIGH tempiture sulfidation of steel described by FEMA.
peterene 4 years ago
Why dont YOU learn something about aluminothermic mixtures, jeezus you armchair CTist and your bullshit techno-babble. WILL IT EVER STOP, PLEASE JUST GO FIND SOME WHY OF KILLING YOURSELF CONSPIRACY STYLE!!
ThisCrush 4 years ago
fuck you!
peterene 4 years ago
I've read a book about pyrotechnic mixtures.You have read shit,because it is "techno-babble"
peterene 4 years ago
I've used thermite. It does NOT make pools of molten iron.
superfisto 4 years ago
really?Tons of molten iron isolated with beton powder,deef in the underground?Do you really think that it will be solid after a fewm moments?Grmas of thermite makes really fast cooling drops of iron,but for example 30-50 kg of thermite can made 30 min lasting pool..
peterene 4 years ago
peterene, are you just making things up?
superfisto 4 years ago
I've made thermite,too. :)
peterene 4 years ago
wasnt guliani made knight of the brotherhood for giving wtc metal contract to england?wasnt the contract given before 9/11?hmm vote ron paul
rockondon 4 years ago
This is a Kook test!!!
tank8gut 4 years ago
Somebody explain the molten metal pouring out of the tower to me. It sure as hell looks like thermite and what was it doing up there?
sydneylocks 4 years ago
Your eyes are deceiving you. The tower was damaged from the airliner impact in that corner, and the struts and floor began sagging. The temperatures inside the tower caused the aluminum of the fuselage to melt and melted alumnium flows through the path of least resistance... thus out the hole you see.
What makes you think it was thermite?
Giuliani08 4 years ago
First problem. Molten Aluminum is silvery gray. Second problem. I don't believe it was hot enough to melt chocolate at the impact hole considering that many ppl were waving from these smoke filled windows. Search Edna Cintron for one. My two pennies.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
Whether you want to believe it or not, it was a towering inferno inside the towers. Tell the firefighters who went up there in full gear to put out the fire (most of whom died) that it wasn't worth their time (or lives) to worry about the fire since it could hardly melt chocolate. You are disgusting in your denial.
It's not about belief, it's about the facts, ma'am. Where's yours?
Giuliani08 4 years ago
My videos are here to honor those who died on 911 by seeking out the truth. I didn't see any facts presented, but here's mine: You mentioned firefighters. Here's a direct quote from Chief Orio Palmer, one of the acting firefighters on 911: Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
Yes. That is one radio transmission from one battalion from one ladder.
Code Ones are dead civilians. Fires barely hot enough to melt chocolate do not cause code ones.
Jet fuel ignited carpets, drapes, furniature, plastics, etc. inside the towers. There's your inferno. An isolated radio transmission taken out of context to further your agenda, whatever that may be.
You honor no one but the terrorists responsible for this attack on American soil. Isn't it time for you to pray west now?
Giuliani08 4 years ago
Please research this. An open air fire (carpets, drapes, furniture) can not weaken steel to the point of a building collapse. Otherwise, this kind of collapse would've happened many times before 911. A steel high rise has NEVER collapsed due to fire before OR after 911. On 911, it happened 3 times. Doesn't that tell you something. Use logic.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
(Continued) Also, how do you explain the free fall speeds (8-10 secs) of the WTC collapse? And the collapse falling faster than gravity? Both of these of these occurences were scientifically impossible before and after 911 also. Explain the many eyewitness accounts of precollapse explosions heard (and felt) in places like the WTC basement. Most of these were from firefighters. See my vids, "WTC Basement Explosions" and "EyeWitness Accounts of WTC Explosions" posted here.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
(Continued) "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay." Just TWO firefighters to knock down this so-called towering inferno? It seems this firefighter was not overly concerned with the strength of the fires and believed he could control it. Also, there is not enough heat generated (max temp) from an open air or "dirty" fire to melt or weaken steel. Your court.
muzicmaker2001 4 years ago
Building 7 though?
Teabone3 4 years ago
You can't figure out how 220 acres of steel and concrete coupled with fires can cause structural damage to nearby bldgs that share the same sub-basement foundation? The debris pile from WTC1&2 alone was 15+ acres. 30% of the S side of WTC7 was obliterated which caused a pronounced list. Add fires...
If you can't figure it out, then it's going to take another KSM to plan another "planes operation" to open your eyes..... I for one do not want that to happen. Do you?
Giuliani08 4 years ago
How could you sit and watch the video of building 7 falling and tell anyone that the scattered fires inside that building caused all 96 columns fail completely and simultainously so that it fell almost strait down as if their were nothing holding that building up but air?
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
Thermite is not an explosive. It's a powder. In order for it to "melt" through steel it has to come into contact with the steel. How does your conspiracy theory account for the massive simultaneous delivery that would be required to weaken the WTC? Let alone how that much could be installed in each of the buildings. Let alone how no one noticed it.... Come ON!
beleevethelie 5 years ago
Since the official story (really a theory without the word "conspiracy" in front of it) makes no sense logically, and scientifically, these are merely suggestions of what could've happened. As far as my research has shown, there is no logical explanation for the molten metal discovered in the basements of the North, South Towers and WTC7. Enter thermite, used in conjuction with an explosive demolition charge. Not just powder alone.
muzicmaker2001 5 years ago
oh... explosives AND thermite! I should have known. You still don't answer my question on how to account for the massive simultaneous delivery, and how were they installed, and why did no one notice....
And now since there are explosives invloved, why didn't anyone report the near simultaneous explosives that would have been required to take down the towers? Where's your proof? you're a joke
beleevethelie 5 years ago
See my video "Could explosives have been planted in the WTCs? (Parts 1&2)" for the possible window of opportunity to plant explosives. Two questions that I'd like you to answer are: How is it possible for both building to collapse at near free faliing speeds(8-10secs)? And where did this molten metal in the basements in the North, South and WTC7 come from? A joke? Ok, but the inabiltiy to see logic and evaluate video evidence within reason is not funny at all.
muzicmaker2001 5 years ago
What about the power downs? There were certainly opportunities to plant the explosive materials... As for "proof," since nearly all the steel was hauled away and destroyed before it could be examined there's not a whole lot to work with, but what about the molten metal left behind weeks after 9/11? What could have caused that if the fire was only hot enough to weaken the structural steel, not melt it? And it wasn't aluminum from the airplanes because it was under wtc 7 as well.
caperboris 5 years ago
Well it certainly wasn't molten aluminum, so what the hell was it?
Even according to NIST all the jet fuel burned off in about 10 or 15 minutes, so all that was left to burn and supposedly weaken the steel "by 50%" or whatever was office furniture, carpets, paper, rugs, curtains etc. ... besides, the smoke was black... it wasn't a raging inferno it was an oxygen starved fire... people were standing in the gap where the plane went through... it WASN'T THAT HOT...
Looks like thermite to me
caperboris 5 years ago
One of the "theories" is that the massive amount of kinetic energy created from the building collapse transfered floor by floor into heat energy and caused this molten metal in the basements of all three buildings. Mommy, please read my another fairy tale.
muzicmaker2001 5 years ago
Hahaha oh god, I never heard that one before but I could have guessed they'd suggest something like it... where will it all end?
caperboris 5 years ago
Haha oh god, I never heard that one before but I would have known they'd come up with something similar... where will it end??
caperboris 5 years ago
One of the reasons the controlled demo claim is absurd is that the collapses start at the top & there's no structural weakening of the lower floors before the collapse wave arrives. So a demolition of each floor has to be timed so that the demo explosions occur just as the collapse wave arrives. That's already implausible, but with thermite, which doesn't explode & takes time to burn through steel, each column cut would have to be completed at the very moment the collapse wave arrives.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Thermite only burns vertically, so it's not useful for making horizontal or diagonal cuts on steel columns. Some have speculated that there could be some kind of thermite gel that would help direct the cut in a sideways direction. But that's just speculation.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Thermite is unlikely to be the reason for the weeks of high heat in the debris piles. While it does burn at a high enough temp to melt steel, its reaction is fast and it cools quickly. How would it keep steel/metal molten after it has stopped reacting?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Thermate is not used for controlled demolitions. Besides, Jones did not find thermate, he found sulfur, which is a marker for a variety of things, including burning rubber and gypsum wallboard. To suggest thermate, the marker must be something that you would NOT expect to find.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Our government is full of sick twisted ****s.
kmyerslp 5 years ago
If this is true, we need to get this one fox news.
Lungyao1 5 years ago