You know what people...The bible it self has aloott of weird shit that none christ believers can bash on. But people just love to bash on the mormon doctrine.
All religions have weird shit...fuck it just look past it
the 3rd mormon president said blacks were on the earth to represent satan and white represented God. yes mormonism came out of a racist doctrine so did christianity. ppl used christianity to justify slavery and used the curse of cain to call blacks inferior and a cursed ppl. Islam is racist the religion made it legal for arabs to enslave africans. Religion itself is not bad, it is the men who make it bad. After all the suffering God has something special in store for the black race
@aferg76 Yes He does have something very special in store for those who are faithful and don't bad mouth His servants, even if you don't agree with everything that comes out of their mouths. I think we should all know that prophets, apostles, and bishops, etc. are human, we raise our right hands to sustain them, and we try and help pray for them. Why pray for them if they were perfect already and needed nothing? Fact is, they DO need God's help too. Mistakes can be made. So?
There is never an excuse to deny blessings to a whole race based upon skin colour! What if the priesthood were denied to whites, perhaps your tune would change. Despite this, there has never been a revelation nor a doctrine within Mormonism that denied the priesthood to blacks. Rather it was a racist policy adopted by Brigham Young. Check the David O McKay McMurrin afidavit. Mormons certainly were institutionally racist in the past.
@verminpants You need to consider what was done in the Old Testament before you make that statement. You just don't know what God is doing, but sure thing is we are all being tested, all the time. How do we react when things go bad? When things go bad is the BEST time for the test to be conducted. When Peter saw Jesus getting railroaded, they asked if he was also with Jesus. In the test of that moment, Peter failed, denying the Christ 3 times. He later repented, and did that NO MORE.
@verminpants In the Old Testament, ONLY the Levites got to hold the Priesthood of God. ONLY the Levites. Think about what that means. The means that there were other men, black and white, chinese and latin, who were NOT able to hold the Priesthood. God said it was so, and that's the way it was.
Did you know this was the case for 1000's of years?? LEVITES.
you gave ONE instance in which Jesus tested by faith. i don't think people argue that about LDS and blacks. how do you explain or justify the jaw-dropping quotes from dozens of earlier prophets as they taught doctrines on blacks? this goes far beyond "testing faith" when you listen to prophets saying things like "inferior race", "less valiant", and so on. LDS will continue to justify that "even prophets aren't perfect", but this was taught as DOCTRINE from those who "will never lead astray".
@SvenTveskegg I explain it away as mere inferior culture of the times. I think we have vastly improved in our culture where in the United States it is considered very offensive to make slurs about people for their race, religion, or even their sexual preference if you can buy into that. Me, I think sexual preference is an EXCUSE to blame your immorality and disobedience on your birth. But back to blacks, the prophets never owned slaves, although other faiths DID this. How bad is that??
@SvenTveskegg When I read those comments, I cringe. Why wouldn't I? It is so far from a comment I would make in todays world, and is really so FAR from how I feel about things. When Brigham Young talked about an inferior race, I think he was attempting to be logical in calling it like he saw it. But it was all his opinions. I think we have all kinds of opinions in this world. Opinions about race or who we THINK were valiant in the war in heaven are not doctrines we should follow.
@SvenTveskegg I can't justify or dare justify a prophet or even Jesus who told the cannanite woman she was a dog not worth to eat of the master's table, Masters being the jews, cannanites being mostly blacks. God is not respector of persons and if he directs an action, he will not give you or me an explanation. He will though bless those who endure the insult as much as the child of this cannanite woman was blessed and lived.
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH They didn't own slaves. Which is worse, to get caught up in the culture of the day, or to actually own people and mistreat them directly by so doing?
Brigham Young did make some comments that in TODAY's world would be very offensive. But you are not considering the time. It was the wild wild west, and you are going to be able to find political INCORRECTNESS among all people everywhere back then. Go ahead, it means very little to me now. The CHURCH is true.
@mormonanswerman did I say anything about owning slaves? Didn't BY state that if a man had "relations" with a black person it would be death on the spot according to the law? Plus what about the lecture or talk in the late '50's about how blacks could go to 3rd heaven or highest heaven to be slaves/servants to whites?
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH I point out the SLAVES question, because Christians today seem to forget that their own ancestors owned slaves (and were most OBVIOUSLY racist), but then they heap a huge blame on the few Mormons who dared to say anything contemporary about black in that day. Everyone was racist in that day apparently, but some went further than words... they actually OWNED slaves and beat them. The Mormons had NOTHING to do with that.
In other words, the Mormons were the good guys then.
I do not believe Mormons are racist. On the contrary, most Mormons I know are sympathetic to everyone regardless of race. Mormons of today cannot be blamed for the actions of what others did in the past. You can only judge Mormonism by it's actions in the present not the past. I have attended LDS church services and can testify to the diversity in there church. If any of you have any doubts about this I recommend you check it out yourself. You will be surprised at what you find.
@masterskyrunner God sure created a perfect storm to test the faith of all people. You are tested if you are rich or if you are poor. Both conditions are sufficient to test the faith of a person. You are tested if you have the gospel and what you do with it, or if you don't have the gospel and you reject it. You are tested with the myriad of "opposition in all things" that exists here on earth. I love knowing the plan of salvation and discerning how I need to improve.
I was going to talk about the three degrees of the Celestial Kingdom and how the endowment and temple marriage are needed to receive the highest degree of glory and those who choose not to be married shall be Angels for eternity but you covered that also so kudos to you!
@manowar40 I believe in consequences, and there are a lot of stories in the Bible that are missing relevant pieces of detail and information to sufficiently understand what happened and why there was a consequence. God is not crazy, but if we judge Him wrong we sure are.
ITS A BOOK!!!!!! its inherently unwise to put so much stock into one book! if you wanna talk about how religion makes u feel, well that is how it makes me feel. Its not a far stretch of the mind to understand that it is unwise to believe that the literature in one book is the only accurate description of reality, the universe, and the creative force behind these things.
@squidtastic84 I don't put my stock in a book! I place my trust in God, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding. I believe that scripture. It makes sense. We can pray and ask God for truth and He will give that to us if we are sincere and show some faith. I did that, and I do know the Book of Mormon is true.
@magellanphone My point has always been that we need to PRAY to ASK if these books are true. Once we find that out, then we put stock in those books. What I think is prideful is when people say the Bible is true, but the Book of Mormon is not, and when asked why, their answer is because there is all this "evidence" for the Bible, but there is hardly any evidence for it at all. This is NOT the way to find truth. Otherwise you have to find the Garden of Eden, Noah's ark, etc. etc. etc.
@mormonanswerman I think you shouldn't put your stock in either book fact is they have been edited by people with not the best intentions. I actually came to this page to defend the LDS. all these born agains acting like their church wasn't racist. Mormons in general are a lot nicer than born again pricks.
@xiphoneapps and I see you are friends with Shawn McCraney. He is not teaching you too well if that is your best statements, to call others stupid and to wise up, etc.
All I am guilty of here is opening the scriptures up to you, and quoting them. You keep giving me just OPINIONS and I wonder where you get them. Try quoting a scripture passage once in a while. That would help you understand better what it is that you actually believe.
@xiphoneapps ... maybe we are NOT on the same team afterall? I don't see you doing good works here, just calling names, and I would exhort you to read the scriptures and study them and embrace them. Don't attack other churches. That is my advice to you. Peace.
I never said Satan was from hell he was a angel who was cast into hell. I'm sorry but you need to quit quoting the bible because you read it correctly. Wise up.
If Lucifer was NOT in hell at one time, then where was he? The Bible says HEAVEN. Do you know what this means? It means that Lucifer was once GOOD. Only good things can be in heaven. When he turned bad, he was cast out.
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! "
Fallen from where? HEAVEN. A son of the morning. We were there too. Its called the Premortal Existence.
I think I quote the Bible rather than just give opinions!
there is a big difference bewteen saying, "only these people can have this or that, compared to "everyone can have this except this group of people". I 'm talking about the priesthood by the way. There is no test. If there was a tests, why isn't the white people getting tested? Black folks have been showing and proving forever. You have a warped view. I feel sorry for you.
@mr41ststreet I have a logical and FAIR view. White people have been tested. We are all tested. White people were in slavery to the darker skinned Egyptians in the Old Testament and that lasted a long long time until God freed them.
Blacks in America today have been freed by God too, not in such a miraculous way, but still they were freed from slavery by virtue of civil rights and people coming to their senses. Was their slavery longer than Children of Israel? Don't think so...
@mr41ststreet Why is there a big difference? Because the size of the group is large or small? What's worse, to say to a LARGE group of people "the priesthood is not for your" or to say to a SMALL group of people "the priesthood is not for you?"
I am not sure how you make that determination. How do you decide one is racist and the other is just or fair? How do YOU view the Old Testament? Do you believe it? Do you embrace it? Do you accept what God did in those days?
@mormonanswerman Yes, there is a difference. Your prophets were wrong. Perhaps, you need to look at the speeches made by leaders of your church about people that look like me. You condoned it and you are now trying to push it to the side with empty rhetoric. This is the problem with some of you white people. You guys are always trying to hide your mess and pass it off as if "it was revelation". The truth is out and the sink is sinking. You guys use the bible when it suits you.
@mr41ststreet I am not personally responsible for the slavery and racism that took place in ancient days.
Why don't you go to the people who STARTED slavery in the first place. It was not the Mormons. Why focus on a few statement of Mormons, even a couple of ancient mormon leaders? Who cares what they said in a private context. really. Why don't you just condemn the real racists, the ones who had slaves, owned them and mistreated them? Why not focus on THOSE christians then?
@mr41ststreet "you guys" and "some of you white people" are indicators that you are focusing too much on my skin color and not what I am saying. If you are going to feel sorry for something, please don't feel sorry for me. I am sticking to the real issues and I am not focusing on your skin color.
There is a need to put all of this BEHIND us. FORGIVE and FORGET. Do you know the gospel of Jesus Christ and SEVENTY TIMES SEVEN?? Repent and stop the grudge. I didn't do it anyway!
@mormonanswerman You may not have did it, but you perpetuate it. Not about skin color, its a state of mind. It just so happens that people of your ilk that think like this happen to be white. I would tell this to a chinamen, japanese, and even another black person. Its not about color (such as your leaders made it out to be). You see I don't blame you really, you have to protect your position, because if you didn't, would be to admit you are wrong.
@mr41ststreet Well, let's just disagree here, because I didn't do anything wrong. I never hurt a black person in all my life, but when I grew up as a kid in OAKLAND in the 60's they did hurt me. They beat me up all the time, and again, I never did anything to them. It was because I was white. I know more than YOU what it feels like to be persecuted for skin color. I lived through it, and despite that, my best friend in High School in Sacramento was black. I hold no grudges.
Again, I was beat up by 9 black kids and left to groan in pain in the hallways of my school. I was chased and beat by others. Another made me take off my watch and put it on his wrist to steal it. He was large. Another girl destroyed my pottery art in class by smashing it. Another boy decked me from behind and sent me to the ground knocked out. Others whipped me naked with towels in the locker room. Others ransacked my locker and stole my things. ETC
@mr41ststreet Also in school in Oakland, I was forced to shine the shoes of large black kids, for free, with by shirt sleeve, while kneeling down before them. I was set up with a little black kid who punched me and "called me out" repeatedly, until I looked up and saw 30 black kids looking on to see what I would do. I ran, they all howled with laughter. So embarrassing. So hard to take as a kid. I know persecution because of RACE.
I let it go, but I still remember it. Did YOU go through it?
@mr41ststreet It was revelation, as much as the Old Testament record of Moses receiving instructions from God was revelation. In those days only the LEVITE lineage was allowed to hold the Priesthood of God. All others were not. This is not racism! That's nonsense. When a man is called of God to be a prophet, is that some sort of "favoritism?" No, its just their predestination to do certain things while here on earth. God does that. he calls people, and not everyone can be the leader.
LOL... Baptism... do you know what that means? Baptism is a symbol of our obedience to following Him. No where in Scripture does it state that it is required for Salvation nor entering the Celestial City. Show me in Scripture not Mormon doctrine that supports your thoughts. Finally, you never answered the question why are mormons racist?
@Absoulut3truth Jesus was baptized. That is good enough for me to show that it is important and necessary. Otherwise He would have just skipped it, like so many so-called christians do today, skipping it, thinking it unimportant, even though Jesus did it, and set an example.
Wow,you can't hide the fact that your religion is racist. Jesus earthly ministry was only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.How is that compared to racism? Jesus first came to preach the Gospel to the His own people the Jews, and then the Gospel went to the Gentiles.Now what Mormons did,they said the priesthood was for anybody EXPECT the blacks. How is Jesus being racist? Did Jesus say "to the Jew first and then the rest of the nations,EXPECT THE BLACKS!!" You can't escape history.
@dexterman19 Are you blinded to the simple fact that the only factor separating people in the ministry of Christ from hearing Him teach personally was whether they were a Jew or not?
Are you blinded to the simple fact that race, or lineage, whatever, its all the same, was the FACTOR in who got the priesthood of God in the days of Moses?
Don't pick and choose here. Don't play the silly race card.
Rev 21:27 is talking about you. Do you really believe you can become a god of your own planet? Come on that's fiction. I'm not the spirit brother of the devil. I'm not saved by grace after all I can do. I'm saved by grace through faith and not by works. My works will only show my faith.
@xiphoneapps How do you know all this? How do you know the details of your pre-mortal existence? Why don't you believe the Bible that says Lucifer was a son of the morning and was cast out of heaven? Why do you want to believe that he came from somewhere else, like hell? Lucifer didn't come from hell, he came from HEAVEN and he was cast out to hell. Don't you get this? It is logical and common sense and most of all, BIBLICAL. Its in Isaiah.
Go to doctrine and covenants 84:3-4 maybe you dident read the temple shall be built in this generation (joseph smith). Also DC 114:1 David patten died before spring. That equals false prophet.
@xiphoneapps No, you are not aware of the follow up revelation that negated the first, once the Lord revoked it on account of how the enemies of the church were behaving?
Moses got a new set of orders too based on ever changing circumstances. He came down from the Mount with a higher law, but when they built a golden calf and worshiped it, God gave them a NEW set of commandments, the 10 commandments. Why don't you question that??? Didn't God foresee that? Does that make Moses false? No!
Go find in the bible where it says if someone prophesies something that doesn't come true they are a false prophet I'm sure you can find that with out my help. Then count how many times Joseph smith did that. All I see is an empty field in independence Missouri and I could go on. Find the truth
@xiphoneapps I have found the truth. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of Jesus Christ and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints was started by Jesus Christ when He and the Father visited Joseph Smith the boy prophet in a grove of trees and revealed to him the true nature of God, and the fact that the true church of Christ was not on the earth at the time. That's why there needed to be a RESTORATION.
@mormonanswerman Where does it state in Scripture (not Mormon book) that God and Jesus are 2 different entities? Second, where does it state in Scripture (not Mormon Book) that Jesus visited Joseph Smith? Besides, all Prophets who spoke of a future ideal, happened when they said it would. From what I see of JS is his prophecies have not been done when he said they wld be... therefore a false-prophet.
@Absoulut3truth WHen it says that Jesus is the SON of God. A son is not the same thing as the Father. Jesus is a son. The ONly Begotten of the Father. That's biblical. Plus the fact that Jesus prayed to the Father, His Father, and Our Father (those are His words). Jesus taught the way and He points us to the Father. Yet we have so many people that pray to JESUS, when Jesus said pray to the FATHER. Why is that? I will tell you. It is because THEY, not the Mormons, are confused about it.
@xiphoneapps The temple in Independence? It will yet be there. Don't dictate God's timetable. He takes a long time, most of the time. Point: Jesus is not back yet.
Are you going to believe when the New Jerusalem is finally built, but you read in the book of Revelation that
Rev 21:27 "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life."
@MithranArkanere propaganda goes both ways. There are so many anti-mormon views out there. I am here to provide balance, but I am not afraid of the truth. If someone lies, I might not publish that. I did publish you. I weary of the barrage of misinformation out there...
@xiphoneapps Hi there! I hope you look a little deeper than those two concepts. Those are important scriptures for sure, but they don't relate to how you are using them. The first says not to add to the book of Revelation. Not the Bible. The Bible was not even assembled when John wrote that. That was a writing for his book, the book of Revelation. btw, it says the same thing in Deuteronomy, Moses said the same thing about HIS writings... Don't add to them.
@TemujinMSM I think the Mormons should admit they were "wrong" as soon as Moses admits he was "wrong" to say that God limited the Priesthood then to just the LEVITES. Well, what about all the rest of the men? How come they couldn't hold the priesthood?
There were 12 sons of Israel. The children of Levi were charged to take care of the ark, Num. 3: 15, 31. Aaron was a Levite, and his descendants were priests (Ex. 6: 16-20; 28: 1-4; 29). Are you suggesting that this was "racist?"
@betterworld1 I think the only way to know is to finish the genealogy. God to familysearch website and help out on the work.
Once we put that big family tree together, we will know these questions more fully. I would say that the mixtures of blood in the races throughout the world make it very difficult to know who came from where...
@mormonanswerman: You missed the point. The fact is you believe that blacks are cursed. You're twisting the gospel for your own purpose. Youre not being tested, the truth is being brought to light. Jesus said do nothing in secret! And youre doing about secret temple rights! Do you believe Joseph Smith did more for man than Jesus??
@Alparkatek631 In the OLD TESTAMENT, only the LEVITES practiced the Priesthood and participated in conducting the priesthood services. No one wants to talk about this, or remember this. No one wants to understand the Old Testament, the Biblical pattern.
No one wants to remember that Jesus would not preach to anyone who was not a Jew, and yet, this was not "racism" anymore than Levites were "racist" to keep priesthood to themselves (when it was GOD who commanded it that way anyway!)
You say Jesus is racist? What blasphemy! We both know Jesus is/was sinless. So, we also know to be a racist, is a sin. So you are calling Jesus one? Wrong! Think about this: If you are racist or hate another race, you are saying you hate God's children and are saying He made a mistake in creating the darked skinned people. Hmmmmmmm....... So sad to even think/say my sinless Savior Jesus was racist. I will pray for you.
@ThankyouJESUS316 Maybe you can pray for UNDERSTANDING too while you are at it, because you completely missed the point of the video.
Let me explain. IF people accuse mormons of racism, then, if they are reasonable people, they will also be compelled to accuse Jesus of racism, because of his treatment of the NON JEWISH lady.
I choose not to judge racism. THAT's the point. Jesus was NOT racist, and neither are we. Its all about TESTS in this life. We are being TESTED...
I don't remember the Morman church champianing any cause for the improvement and struggles of Black people. However, I do remember a Morman minister telling me2 Nephi 5:21 where formerly white people (the passage also says their white skin was very fair and delightsome) are cursed by God with black skin as a punishment. To be black is to be cursed and to be cursed is to be black.
@EducateDaSoul I won't dispute that the Book of Mormon says that. Those people WERE previously white, and the brothers of Nephi were cursed, and the skin color happened to be darker. I don't know, if you were God, and you were going to change the skin color of a white person, what color would you have chosen so it would not appear "racist?" (sarcasm).
The Old Testament has the Tower of Babel. Do you have a problem with God creating races? Is it always "racist?" He did that BECAUSE they were being bad, btw. So, with your line of reasoning here, all of the people on the earth NOT of the color of Adam and Eve, whatever color they were, are "cursed?"
That's the logic I am hearing here, and I do not agree with it.
If Nephi's brothers were cursed for their sins, that does NOT make their descendants cursed. They are not.
@MrBirdski10 No I didn't, if you could understand juxtaposition. I am not the one accusing mormons of racism. I am merely pointing out that if you are going to take that FALSE approach against the mormons, you are also going to have to take that FALSE approach against Jesus Christ. I pointed out how wrong it was.
The fact that you MISSED this seems to indicate that you also have unfair leanings towards mormons and don't even listen to what they say. It should have been obvious here...
the Prophet Joseph Smith taught that "the spirit of Elias is first, Elijah second, and Messiah last." This teaching suggests three distinct periods in Church history.
Perhaps 3 April 1836 can be thought of as the close of the "Elias period" or preparatory phase of Church history, when finally all the forerunners had restored their keys in the spirit of Elias. (See D&C 27:5-13; 128:20-21.)
This period could have been closed when Elias himself, perhaps the same Elias who holds the keys of the restoration of all things (D&C 27:6), returned immediately before Elijah.
John 10;16 And aother bsheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be cone fold, and one shepherd.
Bishop Mardy is charged with keeping things in order. He has served as bishop all of two months. He lost his mother and sister in the earthquake. His 3-year-old nephew was kidnapped in December and hasn't been heard from since.
The bishop often seems deep in thought. He said he is concerned about his entire flock. But it's the people not staying at the camp that he worries most about.
"It's really hard to know what's happening with all members," he said.
For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
Norcalnupe, the church is still pretty direct in discouraging marriages "across cultures". However, interracial marriages are no longer prohibited in the church as it was in the past. To quote Brigham Young as prophet in 1863:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so". (Obviously, the stance has changed).
You can quote that PRE CIVIL WAR stuff, but it's in the past, isn't it? I mean 1800's wild west stuff. Get real.
Now did you know that in 1924 Virginia got into the making of marriage between blacks and whites a FELONY offense? SB 219, entitled "The Racial Integrity Act."
Brigham Young quotes some Old Testament laws, gets hammered for it, and yet we have so MANY racists and REAL bigots in our modern era passing laws and such that just dwarf anything he ever said. KKK too. Wise up atheist.
@cocreatinglife No, you are wrong. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints has got all things right with it. 12 Apostles. A prophet. Priesthood. Temples and temple ordinances. All of the ordinances of the gospel including baptism and Holy Ghost. Families sealed forever for time and eternity. A TRUE understanding of the nature of God, being an exalted man, and literally OUR Father, just like Jesus taught in Matthew 5.
@cocreatinglife There was a complete RESTORATION of the gospel of Jesus Christ. God came to earth and called a prophet, Joseph Smith. Angels came also and delivered more truths and more scripture, and the world is being saved from a great curse as long as these truths continue to go forth. Don't look to some future church. It is here and you need to be obedient to the Lord and join it.
Contributions from the ward and neighbors greatly facilitated the process. Alan Palmer donated the wheat that they cleaned to use as seed and provided the use of his combine during the harvest. "What would have taken the priests quorum two weeks to do by hand took the combine two hours," Bishop Redd said.
It seems like you are reading from a pamphlet and in no wise have actually read the Book of Mormon, have you? What's this verse 3, 54, 74? You are reading from a pamphlet and shortly after these verses, no doubt, is the opinion of another man.
It is not up to us to question why God does things but to accept that he does things according to his own will and pleasure. It is, however, up to us to decide how we are going to accept the things which he has given us. All things will be made known.
sorry you have made a false statement, there is and has been racism in the church - I know it and lived it. and I am a strong member of the church. But I understand that no one is perfect and most of all I am not going to let someone's prejudice hold me back from my blessings, even in your example you showed racism - why not say that caucasions (only isrealites)did not recieve the priesthood after Jesus was resurrected. That is how you despute arrogance over color and worthyness.
Ok but we are talking about two different things. I am talking of the church as a whole, and you are talking of an individual experience. I know that there are millions of individual experiences in all churches that have not been pleasant, where people have been offended, or where racism has taken place.
God plays the race card too as a test, if you want to look at it that way. Gentiles/Jews. Lamanites/Nephites. Children of Israel/Egyptians, etc. Its all a test of how we behave/react.
my dear brother, I don't think God plays the race card, man does - it was Lehi's children who separated themselves and there were good and bad among them all, matter of fact the most wicked person in the BOM was a nephite (korahor), When JS restored the gospel he gave it to blacks as well, this was later changed by someone else. He blessed both Isreal& Egypt together -only when they separted themselves (egypt enslaved isreal) did things change.
But JS was not a racist and he did give the priesthood to Elijah Abel, etc., but during the translation of the Book of Abraham he learned new things. Then it changed.
Just like when Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon with Oliver Cowdery, they came across something about baptism, and they got inspired, inquired of the Lord and they were baptized as a result. Line upon line was the method.
They may have been blessed with Israel but even amongst the Israelite people, the tribe of Levi were the only ones in which the Lord authorized to work in the temple and perform priesthood ordinances. If it is the assumption that men should decide who God gives power to, then it diminishes the purpose of the priesthood because the priesthood belongs to GOD and it is of GOD alone to decide who should receive it. The same priesthood the early church had; See Revelations 1:5-6)
The future of the LDS Church is the African and the African American. They are accepting the gospel of Jesus Christ at rates never before seen in this dispensation.
We will see the church grow until all left upon the world are following Christ during the 1000 years of peace. It will be well said and Jesus Christ will acknowledge us in that day. It will be well known that Joseph Smith was that messenger whom Malachi Prophesied would come forth... (Malachi 3:1-2) See also D&C 110
I think I know where you are coming from. Racism is just your cover. You are really upset at the church over the whole PROP 8 thing, and now you are trying, stretching, to find fault of some kind. Sure, why not the race card?
Gays are not born that way. That's a really dumb theory, because when you look at any little kid younger than say, 8 years old, all you see is innocence, and none of those kids are acting out on any gay sex ideas. Heck, they don't even think of it yet. THEORY.
I don't think its arrogant to have comment approval when there are people who come here and profane. Its bad enough that I have to see that, but I don't want others being offended at some of the hate speech that slips in here. I run a clean channel.
Excuse me, the Bible has examples that DWARF those found in the Book of Mormon, IF you want to make this ridiculous charge of "racism." I disdain people always playing the pathetic race card just because they are people of color. Get over it. I am not a racist. My church is not racist. The Book of Mormon is not racist. You are disgruntled for some reason, I have seen your channel, and it seems to be your focus in life to find the racists, create the racists in the world.
Grant, we both know that the only time most of these "so-called Christians" pick up the bible is maybe once or twice during Sunday school. The rest of their information is provided by their pastors; including but not limited to their 'basement workshops' whose aim is to denounce the LDS church. (A very wise use of their Sunday School time, I am sure...) I think it bothers non members that we actually read the bible when they do not. We believe it 100% while they believe maybe 10% of it.
Nobody does not believe in God. Its too obvious that there IS a God, that anyone who is saying there is not one has something to hide. They have lied to themselves for so long that they begin to believe it. Like Korihor of the Book of Mormon era. He lied and said there was no God, taught many people these lies, had "success" in that, and when confronted with the prophet of the land, was struck dumb, and then he confesses that he ALWAYS KNEW there was a God. Atheists are liars.
When you were a member, you did not study the standard works? It is no mystery, and what you fail to realize is that you can't compare the words of people who spoke hundreds of years ago to those who speak today, because today, EVERYBODY speaks with political correctness in public. But why don't you sneak into a behind the scenes meeting with say, BARAK OBAMA and see what he really says. Things like "cling to guns and religion" when speaking of the ordinary people. He is a marxist. Be fair.
I'm willing to suggest that you didn't learn much about ANYTHING period while a member of the church... which made your exit an easy one for Satan to help you prepare.
What this video does is to show a means of interpreting the Mormon faith that is not racist. What it does not do is answer the claims that the Mormon church has a history of racism or that racist ideas have not played a key role in th development of Mormon doctrine.
The church has NO history of racism. But this country DOES. It was not the mormons who started SLAVERY. It WAS the mormons who got persecuted for sympathy towards the abolition cause. Those slave holders saw that we taught the gospel to slaves and treated them as equals. Same with American Indians. For this reason, the mormons were persecuted for making friends with the indians. Look it up. You are barking up the wrong tree on this. Civil war ensued after all this.
The civil war happened some 30 years after Joseph Smith had predicted that it would; It is well documented in both Church history as well as in the Doctrine and Covenants...
It shows that if one group of "Christians" ie, those who read the bible and understand Matthew 15 and explain how Jesus was not a racist then with the same understanding, we can understand why the latter-day version of his church could also be found as being 'obedient to the Lord' on all things and regarding revelations received by Joseph Smtih, the church had to be obedient to them. God would not forever stay his hand. Those who were patient and remain shall ALL receive eternal life;
I can tell that you spend a great amount of time in prayer and reading the scriptures. You are blessed with the spirit of truth and I know that no one can be convinced by the lips of man, but only by the spirit of God. You are pointing people in the right direction. If you are reading this and not a Mormon, I challenge you to read the book of Mormon. It is a testament of the divinity of Christ and spiritual proof that the priesthood has been restored. Eph 1:10
I did address the so called racism. Did you actually watch the video?
Also, atheism is such a farce. Carl Sagan sits in a spirit prison awaiting resurrection, doing no pompous interviews putting down religions, etc., because in the spirit prison atheists are no longer atheists, because the know there is a God, that they just got judged, and await with fear their final judgment in a resurrected body to face God 1000 years from now and account for their works here on this earth.
i actually feel sorry for you, they have you believing these lies. carl sagan was not a atheist and he said that. but he also was not a moron believing crap just because someone told him to. religion is not supported by evidence. and you can not justify the hatred and mass murder that your CULT has committed. they have you brainwashed my friend. believing in invisible magical creatures. if that does not cause you to think, i don't know what will.
An atheist is just an arrogant agnostic who has put their foot down.
Why do you call people who believe and know things morons, just because you haven't experienced what they have experienced?
Would you call someone who skydives, tells you about it, and you have never skydived, would you call them a moron for sharing their experience of it with you?
I am sorry for spamming you so much. But I have another. Please read Matthew 22:23-30. It's too long to post on here. I really want you to be one of those few, I am not trying to argue with you. I am just trying to tell you something, I do hope you are not taking it in the wrong way.
"13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14. So please, inspect yourself according to the Bible."Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39
So this scripture does approve the idea that NARROW is the way, and few there be that find it. That would describe a minority. That would NOT describe mainstream. Have you considered that?
FEW is unfortunate, but if 1/4 of the world is saying they are christian, that would not be a "few" that would be a lot, actually. In other words, it has got to mean "few" if what Jesus said is true. The numbers are small, are a minority
Ok, so first you read out of the Bible to back up saying that mormons are not racist. Then you refer to something completely different to preach. You preach out of the book of mormon. This just angers me man. The Bible and the book of mormon contridict one another. Now.... read Matthew 22 verses 23-30. Mormons pervert the teachings of Jesus Christ. You worship satans brother. Not Jesus Christ. For you believe that your "jesus christ" is the brother of the devil.
*chuckles* Truth? Ok, I agree, you do have to look for the good. But listen, when did Jesus Christ ever say that he was the brother of satan? That's false teaching.
2 Ne. 28: 27 Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more!
28 And in fine, wo unto all those who tremble, and are angry because of the truth of God! For behold, he that is built upon the rock receiveth it with gladness; and he that is built upon a sandy foundation trembleth lest he shall fall. 29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough!
Before you say that that passage in Job is about earthlings, recall that the context of the passage is referring to a time BEFORE the foundations of the earth were laid. IN other words, a pre-mortal existence.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
This was before Adam and Eve, even at the foundations. Even to Jeremiah He said:
Jer. 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
Oh snap, you are in for it now. One momento. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 Now that's Biblical.
No, that's not true in the way you say it. Look at this. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44 Yes, God will call us His children if we are in the body of Christ. By the way, Jesus Christ is comming very soon.
Well now I am thinking that you are playing the semantics game of FATHER and the many different uses of that term. Sure Jesus was right, those wicked people make the devil their father, much like the Founding Fathers of this nation were given the term father.
But Jesus spoke truly of HIS Father, and He also spoke of this same being as OUR Father. There is no room for semantics here. 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22. May God bless you. Take care.
I like all of these scriptures you bring up, I really do and believe them too. I just don't understand why you think they apply to me or what I believe? I am more biblical than you. I don't deny the scriptures that I have been bringing up to you, but you are ignoring them.
That scripture you mention, false Christs, false prophets, it does NOT mean that all Christs and prophets are false. In other words, some are TRUE. Do you think there is a TRUE Christ? Then, when, where?
I do believe there is a True Christ. Of course. The God of Israel. The Missiah. The one which was crucifies and took upon the sins of the world. Fulfilled many prophecies, and rose from the dead on the 3rd day.
Sir, maybe you are more Biblical than I am, I don't know. But I really do want you to know Christ. "7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
No sir, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6. I do agree that God created people, but I don't believe that God begotten them. The only begotten Son of God is Jesus Christ. And you are a child of God if you are in the body of Christ. "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid." 1 Corinthians 6:15
Jesus had powers that none of us have in this life. He was half mortal, and half God the Father. The Bible tells us that He was born of a virgin, Mary, indicating that God did not have sex with Mary as some have postulated we believe, which is false. But God DID make Mary get pregnant by His power, because the Bible says that the power of the Holy Ghost overshadowed her.
No one else was EVER born this way, THUS, Only Begotten Son. Does NOT mean there are no other spirit sons.
Of course Jesus has a lot of power, and He still does, and He always did, and will. Jesus Christ was 100% human and 100% God. The Bible does not mention about any spirit children.... We are God's creation, and yes, God breathed the spirit into us. Not had sex with his many wives.
It does not make sense to say that 100% + 100% = 100%. Nor does it make sense to say that Jesus was 200%.
Jesus was half God and half human. His mother was Mary, the human part, and His Father was Heavenly Father, the God part. Jesus bled BLOOD but He also had POWERS that helped Him bleed that blood in the Garden of Gethsemane where He took upon Himself the sins of the world, no human could have done that, and as Luke says, His sweat was as GREAT DROPS OF BLOOD falling to the ground.
Half God? Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him dwelleth all the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily". Luke 24:39, Jesus says, "Behold my hands and my feet,, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Plus, what you said goes against Matthew 2:1 and Alma 7:10.
Jesus bled BLOOD. That's fully God? No, that's the human side, but no human could have endured what He endured.
Its complicated, but is this really important, whether He was technically 100% or 200%? What's important to me is to know that He, Jesus Christ, is our Savior and suffered for our sins that we might live. He lives today as a fully resurrected being, God in heaven, with His Father, OUR Father, in Heaven.
Sir, are you really in the body of Christ? Do you know Christ? This is a very important question. Because, "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." Matthew 7:21-23
Yes I am in the body of Christ. Yes I do know Jesus Christ, and I speak to God in prayer and I hear His voice by the power of the Holy Ghost back. This is real and it is my faith. People don't need to worry about people who are effective in their prayers. It is the ones that pray and hear nothing in return that need to worry and get that right with God.
I am certain that there are much more mysterious things to wonder about, that the Bible describe, (esp. in OT) but we still can believe it, than why black people not had access to the priesthood until the seventies. Black people has always been forced, in many ways, to struggle harder and against the wind, there are something special about them, and i dont mean it in a bad way. History has shown that their path are not always the same as white peoples path, in life.
Our history has been distorted to justify slavery. Everyone accepted Egyptians as blacks until the advent of slavery. The mighty hunter Nimrod was black and had favor before God. The Egyptians intermarried with JewsKing Solomon did. Sadly, our programmed thinking does not permit us to see beyond our inherited limited views of the definition of being black.
Yes, there are problems. Have you ever been in a foul-smelling room for so long you become habituated to it? The only way to know if there is a stench is to step out the room or have someone enter the room from a different environment and inform you that the room stinks. Well, racism is the same. It has poisoned how you and I perceive black folks.
God revealed to Joseph Smith that his black sons and daughters should not have the priesthood? Please, show me the source, so I can accept my position in life as inferior to white folks.
There are too many white people that sleep well at night believing that they are better than black folks with the pseudo garbage that has been passed down from generations. No one dares challenge. Why?
You know what people...The bible it self has aloott of weird shit that none christ believers can bash on. But people just love to bash on the mormon doctrine.
All religions have weird shit...fuck it just look past it
EN247 9 months ago
the 3rd mormon president said blacks were on the earth to represent satan and white represented God. yes mormonism came out of a racist doctrine so did christianity. ppl used christianity to justify slavery and used the curse of cain to call blacks inferior and a cursed ppl. Islam is racist the religion made it legal for arabs to enslave africans. Religion itself is not bad, it is the men who make it bad. After all the suffering God has something special in store for the black race
aferg76 9 months ago
@aferg76 Yes He does have something very special in store for those who are faithful and don't bad mouth His servants, even if you don't agree with everything that comes out of their mouths. I think we should all know that prophets, apostles, and bishops, etc. are human, we raise our right hands to sustain them, and we try and help pray for them. Why pray for them if they were perfect already and needed nothing? Fact is, they DO need God's help too. Mistakes can be made. So?
mormonanswerman 9 months ago
There is never an excuse to deny blessings to a whole race based upon skin colour! What if the priesthood were denied to whites, perhaps your tune would change. Despite this, there has never been a revelation nor a doctrine within Mormonism that denied the priesthood to blacks. Rather it was a racist policy adopted by Brigham Young. Check the David O McKay McMurrin afidavit. Mormons certainly were institutionally racist in the past.
verminpants 10 months ago
@verminpants You need to consider what was done in the Old Testament before you make that statement. You just don't know what God is doing, but sure thing is we are all being tested, all the time. How do we react when things go bad? When things go bad is the BEST time for the test to be conducted. When Peter saw Jesus getting railroaded, they asked if he was also with Jesus. In the test of that moment, Peter failed, denying the Christ 3 times. He later repented, and did that NO MORE.
mormonanswerman 9 months ago
@verminpants In the Old Testament, ONLY the Levites got to hold the Priesthood of God. ONLY the Levites. Think about what that means. The means that there were other men, black and white, chinese and latin, who were NOT able to hold the Priesthood. God said it was so, and that's the way it was.
Did you know this was the case for 1000's of years?? LEVITES.
mormonanswerman 9 months ago
you gave ONE instance in which Jesus tested by faith. i don't think people argue that about LDS and blacks. how do you explain or justify the jaw-dropping quotes from dozens of earlier prophets as they taught doctrines on blacks? this goes far beyond "testing faith" when you listen to prophets saying things like "inferior race", "less valiant", and so on. LDS will continue to justify that "even prophets aren't perfect", but this was taught as DOCTRINE from those who "will never lead astray".
SvenTveskegg 1 year ago
@SvenTveskegg I explain it away as mere inferior culture of the times. I think we have vastly improved in our culture where in the United States it is considered very offensive to make slurs about people for their race, religion, or even their sexual preference if you can buy into that. Me, I think sexual preference is an EXCUSE to blame your immorality and disobedience on your birth. But back to blacks, the prophets never owned slaves, although other faiths DID this. How bad is that??
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@SvenTveskegg When I read those comments, I cringe. Why wouldn't I? It is so far from a comment I would make in todays world, and is really so FAR from how I feel about things. When Brigham Young talked about an inferior race, I think he was attempting to be logical in calling it like he saw it. But it was all his opinions. I think we have all kinds of opinions in this world. Opinions about race or who we THINK were valiant in the war in heaven are not doctrines we should follow.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@SvenTveskegg I can't justify or dare justify a prophet or even Jesus who told the cannanite woman she was a dog not worth to eat of the master's table, Masters being the jews, cannanites being mostly blacks. God is not respector of persons and if he directs an action, he will not give you or me an explanation. He will though bless those who endure the insult as much as the child of this cannanite woman was blessed and lived.
gusanastro 11 months ago
I"m sorry but some of your leaders did make racist comments.
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 1 year ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH They didn't own slaves. Which is worse, to get caught up in the culture of the day, or to actually own people and mistreat them directly by so doing?
Brigham Young did make some comments that in TODAY's world would be very offensive. But you are not considering the time. It was the wild wild west, and you are going to be able to find political INCORRECTNESS among all people everywhere back then. Go ahead, it means very little to me now. The CHURCH is true.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman did I say anything about owning slaves? Didn't BY state that if a man had "relations" with a black person it would be death on the spot according to the law? Plus what about the lecture or talk in the late '50's about how blacks could go to 3rd heaven or highest heaven to be slaves/servants to whites?
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 10 months ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH I point out the SLAVES question, because Christians today seem to forget that their own ancestors owned slaves (and were most OBVIOUSLY racist), but then they heap a huge blame on the few Mormons who dared to say anything contemporary about black in that day. Everyone was racist in that day apparently, but some went further than words... they actually OWNED slaves and beat them. The Mormons had NOTHING to do with that.
In other words, the Mormons were the good guys then.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
The claims of racism against the LDS Chruch are false like many of the claims made against the LDS Church.
ViCe1986 1 year ago
I do not believe Mormons are racist. On the contrary, most Mormons I know are sympathetic to everyone regardless of race. Mormons of today cannot be blamed for the actions of what others did in the past. You can only judge Mormonism by it's actions in the present not the past. I have attended LDS church services and can testify to the diversity in there church. If any of you have any doubts about this I recommend you check it out yourself. You will be surprised at what you find.
manowar40 1 year ago
You know, someone had to inherit the "mark of Cain", but no one wants to acknowledge it.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner God sure created a perfect storm to test the faith of all people. You are tested if you are rich or if you are poor. Both conditions are sufficient to test the faith of a person. You are tested if you have the gospel and what you do with it, or if you don't have the gospel and you reject it. You are tested with the myriad of "opposition in all things" that exists here on earth. I love knowing the plan of salvation and discerning how I need to improve.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman
I was going to talk about the three degrees of the Celestial Kingdom and how the endowment and temple marriage are needed to receive the highest degree of glory and those who choose not to be married shall be Angels for eternity but you covered that also so kudos to you!
ViCe1986 1 year ago
I think the Hebrew God is crazy
manowar40 1 year ago
@manowar40 I believe in consequences, and there are a lot of stories in the Bible that are missing relevant pieces of detail and information to sufficiently understand what happened and why there was a consequence. God is not crazy, but if we judge Him wrong we sure are.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I agree with you, I just made the comment out of frustration and did not mean to slur your God the way I did. Thanks Rob
manowar40 1 year ago
ITS A BOOK!!!!!! its inherently unwise to put so much stock into one book! if you wanna talk about how religion makes u feel, well that is how it makes me feel. Its not a far stretch of the mind to understand that it is unwise to believe that the literature in one book is the only accurate description of reality, the universe, and the creative force behind these things.
squidtastic84 1 year ago
@squidtastic84 I don't put my stock in a book! I place my trust in God, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding. I believe that scripture. It makes sense. We can pray and ask God for truth and He will give that to us if we are sincere and show some faith. I did that, and I do know the Book of Mormon is true.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman if you don't put stock in a book why do you read the bible? Or the book of mormon?
magellanphone 1 year ago
@magellanphone My point has always been that we need to PRAY to ASK if these books are true. Once we find that out, then we put stock in those books. What I think is prideful is when people say the Bible is true, but the Book of Mormon is not, and when asked why, their answer is because there is all this "evidence" for the Bible, but there is hardly any evidence for it at all. This is NOT the way to find truth. Otherwise you have to find the Garden of Eden, Noah's ark, etc. etc. etc.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I think you shouldn't put your stock in either book fact is they have been edited by people with not the best intentions. I actually came to this page to defend the LDS. all these born agains acting like their church wasn't racist. Mormons in general are a lot nicer than born again pricks.
magellanphone 1 year ago
I can't keep talking to someone as stupid as you quit talking to me and wise up
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps and I see you are friends with Shawn McCraney. He is not teaching you too well if that is your best statements, to call others stupid and to wise up, etc.
All I am guilty of here is opening the scriptures up to you, and quoting them. You keep giving me just OPINIONS and I wonder where you get them. Try quoting a scripture passage once in a while. That would help you understand better what it is that you actually believe.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps ... maybe we are NOT on the same team afterall? I don't see you doing good works here, just calling names, and I would exhort you to read the scriptures and study them and embrace them. Don't attack other churches. That is my advice to you. Peace.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
I never said Satan was from hell he was a angel who was cast into hell. I'm sorry but you need to quit quoting the bible because you read it correctly. Wise up.
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps ...you're not thinking...
If Lucifer was NOT in hell at one time, then where was he? The Bible says HEAVEN. Do you know what this means? It means that Lucifer was once GOOD. Only good things can be in heaven. When he turned bad, he was cast out.
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! "
Fallen from where? HEAVEN. A son of the morning. We were there too. Its called the Premortal Existence.
I think I quote the Bible rather than just give opinions!
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps 1 Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
This is why Lucifer was cast out.
Hey, we are all on the same team and the sooner you realize this the better. Jesus said to his disciples who were trying to be divisive:
Mark 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him,
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not:
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
there is a big difference bewteen saying, "only these people can have this or that, compared to "everyone can have this except this group of people". I 'm talking about the priesthood by the way. There is no test. If there was a tests, why isn't the white people getting tested? Black folks have been showing and proving forever. You have a warped view. I feel sorry for you.
mr41ststreet 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet I have a logical and FAIR view. White people have been tested. We are all tested. White people were in slavery to the darker skinned Egyptians in the Old Testament and that lasted a long long time until God freed them.
Blacks in America today have been freed by God too, not in such a miraculous way, but still they were freed from slavery by virtue of civil rights and people coming to their senses. Was their slavery longer than Children of Israel? Don't think so...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet Why is there a big difference? Because the size of the group is large or small? What's worse, to say to a LARGE group of people "the priesthood is not for your" or to say to a SMALL group of people "the priesthood is not for you?"
I am not sure how you make that determination. How do you decide one is racist and the other is just or fair? How do YOU view the Old Testament? Do you believe it? Do you embrace it? Do you accept what God did in those days?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Yes, there is a difference. Your prophets were wrong. Perhaps, you need to look at the speeches made by leaders of your church about people that look like me. You condoned it and you are now trying to push it to the side with empty rhetoric. This is the problem with some of you white people. You guys are always trying to hide your mess and pass it off as if "it was revelation". The truth is out and the sink is sinking. You guys use the bible when it suits you.
mr41ststreet 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet I am not personally responsible for the slavery and racism that took place in ancient days.
Why don't you go to the people who STARTED slavery in the first place. It was not the Mormons. Why focus on a few statement of Mormons, even a couple of ancient mormon leaders? Who cares what they said in a private context. really. Why don't you just condemn the real racists, the ones who had slaves, owned them and mistreated them? Why not focus on THOSE christians then?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet "you guys" and "some of you white people" are indicators that you are focusing too much on my skin color and not what I am saying. If you are going to feel sorry for something, please don't feel sorry for me. I am sticking to the real issues and I am not focusing on your skin color.
There is a need to put all of this BEHIND us. FORGIVE and FORGET. Do you know the gospel of Jesus Christ and SEVENTY TIMES SEVEN?? Repent and stop the grudge. I didn't do it anyway!
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman You may not have did it, but you perpetuate it. Not about skin color, its a state of mind. It just so happens that people of your ilk that think like this happen to be white. I would tell this to a chinamen, japanese, and even another black person. Its not about color (such as your leaders made it out to be). You see I don't blame you really, you have to protect your position, because if you didn't, would be to admit you are wrong.
mr41ststreet 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet Well, let's just disagree here, because I didn't do anything wrong. I never hurt a black person in all my life, but when I grew up as a kid in OAKLAND in the 60's they did hurt me. They beat me up all the time, and again, I never did anything to them. It was because I was white. I know more than YOU what it feels like to be persecuted for skin color. I lived through it, and despite that, my best friend in High School in Sacramento was black. I hold no grudges.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman - there are many who have reverse racism against those who are white, which currently seems socially acceptable.
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet I am "ilk?" That's harsh.
Again, I was beat up by 9 black kids and left to groan in pain in the hallways of my school. I was chased and beat by others. Another made me take off my watch and put it on his wrist to steal it. He was large. Another girl destroyed my pottery art in class by smashing it. Another boy decked me from behind and sent me to the ground knocked out. Others whipped me naked with towels in the locker room. Others ransacked my locker and stole my things. ETC
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet Also in school in Oakland, I was forced to shine the shoes of large black kids, for free, with by shirt sleeve, while kneeling down before them. I was set up with a little black kid who punched me and "called me out" repeatedly, until I looked up and saw 30 black kids looking on to see what I would do. I ran, they all howled with laughter. So embarrassing. So hard to take as a kid. I know persecution because of RACE.
I let it go, but I still remember it. Did YOU go through it?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mr41ststreet It was revelation, as much as the Old Testament record of Moses receiving instructions from God was revelation. In those days only the LEVITE lineage was allowed to hold the Priesthood of God. All others were not. This is not racism! That's nonsense. When a man is called of God to be a prophet, is that some sort of "favoritism?" No, its just their predestination to do certain things while here on earth. God does that. he calls people, and not everyone can be the leader.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
LOL... Baptism... do you know what that means? Baptism is a symbol of our obedience to following Him. No where in Scripture does it state that it is required for Salvation nor entering the Celestial City. Show me in Scripture not Mormon doctrine that supports your thoughts. Finally, you never answered the question why are mormons racist?
Absoulut3truth 1 year ago
@Absoulut3truth Jesus was baptized. That is good enough for me to show that it is important and necessary. Otherwise He would have just skipped it, like so many so-called christians do today, skipping it, thinking it unimportant, even though Jesus did it, and set an example.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Wow,you can't hide the fact that your religion is racist. Jesus earthly ministry was only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.How is that compared to racism? Jesus first came to preach the Gospel to the His own people the Jews, and then the Gospel went to the Gentiles.Now what Mormons did,they said the priesthood was for anybody EXPECT the blacks. How is Jesus being racist? Did Jesus say "to the Jew first and then the rest of the nations,EXPECT THE BLACKS!!" You can't escape history.
dexterman19 1 year ago
@dexterman19 Are you blinded to the simple fact that the only factor separating people in the ministry of Christ from hearing Him teach personally was whether they were a Jew or not?
Are you blinded to the simple fact that race, or lineage, whatever, its all the same, was the FACTOR in who got the priesthood of God in the days of Moses?
Don't pick and choose here. Don't play the silly race card.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Rev 21:27 is talking about you. Do you really believe you can become a god of your own planet? Come on that's fiction. I'm not the spirit brother of the devil. I'm not saved by grace after all I can do. I'm saved by grace through faith and not by works. My works will only show my faith.
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps How do you know all this? How do you know the details of your pre-mortal existence? Why don't you believe the Bible that says Lucifer was a son of the morning and was cast out of heaven? Why do you want to believe that he came from somewhere else, like hell? Lucifer didn't come from hell, he came from HEAVEN and he was cast out to hell. Don't you get this? It is logical and common sense and most of all, BIBLICAL. Its in Isaiah.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Go to doctrine and covenants 84:3-4 maybe you dident read the temple shall be built in this generation (joseph smith). Also DC 114:1 David patten died before spring. That equals false prophet.
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps No, you are not aware of the follow up revelation that negated the first, once the Lord revoked it on account of how the enemies of the church were behaving?
Moses got a new set of orders too based on ever changing circumstances. He came down from the Mount with a higher law, but when they built a golden calf and worshiped it, God gave them a NEW set of commandments, the 10 commandments. Why don't you question that??? Didn't God foresee that? Does that make Moses false? No!
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Go find in the bible where it says if someone prophesies something that doesn't come true they are a false prophet I'm sure you can find that with out my help. Then count how many times Joseph smith did that. All I see is an empty field in independence Missouri and I could go on. Find the truth
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps I have found the truth. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of Jesus Christ and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints was started by Jesus Christ when He and the Father visited Joseph Smith the boy prophet in a grove of trees and revealed to him the true nature of God, and the fact that the true church of Christ was not on the earth at the time. That's why there needed to be a RESTORATION.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Where does it state in Scripture (not Mormon book) that God and Jesus are 2 different entities? Second, where does it state in Scripture (not Mormon Book) that Jesus visited Joseph Smith? Besides, all Prophets who spoke of a future ideal, happened when they said it would. From what I see of JS is his prophecies have not been done when he said they wld be... therefore a false-prophet.
Absoulut3truth 1 year ago
@Absoulut3truth WHen it says that Jesus is the SON of God. A son is not the same thing as the Father. Jesus is a son. The ONly Begotten of the Father. That's biblical. Plus the fact that Jesus prayed to the Father, His Father, and Our Father (those are His words). Jesus taught the way and He points us to the Father. Yet we have so many people that pray to JESUS, when Jesus said pray to the FATHER. Why is that? I will tell you. It is because THEY, not the Mormons, are confused about it.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps The temple in Independence? It will yet be there. Don't dictate God's timetable. He takes a long time, most of the time. Point: Jesus is not back yet.
Are you going to believe when the New Jerusalem is finally built, but you read in the book of Revelation that
Rev 21:27 "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life."
Get "in" while you can.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@MithranArkanere propaganda goes both ways. There are so many anti-mormon views out there. I am here to provide balance, but I am not afraid of the truth. If someone lies, I might not publish that. I did publish you. I weary of the barrage of misinformation out there...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Start with revelation 22:18-19. Then read Galatians 1:6-12. I will continue to pray for Mormons as my brother married one.
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps Hi there! I hope you look a little deeper than those two concepts. Those are important scriptures for sure, but they don't relate to how you are using them. The first says not to add to the book of Revelation. Not the Bible. The Bible was not even assembled when John wrote that. That was a writing for his book, the book of Revelation. btw, it says the same thing in Deuteronomy, Moses said the same thing about HIS writings... Don't add to them.
We don't. See KJV.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@TemujinMSM I think the Mormons should admit they were "wrong" as soon as Moses admits he was "wrong" to say that God limited the Priesthood then to just the LEVITES. Well, what about all the rest of the men? How come they couldn't hold the priesthood?
There were 12 sons of Israel. The children of Levi were charged to take care of the ark, Num. 3: 15, 31. Aaron was a Levite, and his descendants were priests (Ex. 6: 16-20; 28: 1-4; 29). Are you suggesting that this was "racist?"
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
it seems blacks probably are the seed of cain. what do you think?
betterworld1 1 year ago
@betterworld1 I think the only way to know is to finish the genealogy. God to familysearch website and help out on the work.
Once we put that big family tree together, we will know these questions more fully. I would say that the mixtures of blood in the races throughout the world make it very difficult to know who came from where...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman: You missed the point. The fact is you believe that blacks are cursed. You're twisting the gospel for your own purpose. Youre not being tested, the truth is being brought to light. Jesus said do nothing in secret! And youre doing about secret temple rights! Do you believe Joseph Smith did more for man than Jesus??
Alparkatek631 1 year ago
@Alparkatek631 In the OLD TESTAMENT, only the LEVITES practiced the Priesthood and participated in conducting the priesthood services. No one wants to talk about this, or remember this. No one wants to understand the Old Testament, the Biblical pattern.
No one wants to remember that Jesus would not preach to anyone who was not a Jew, and yet, this was not "racism" anymore than Levites were "racist" to keep priesthood to themselves (when it was GOD who commanded it that way anyway!)
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Well Said. Awesome. Thank you for that. Please do more videos
IAMILLEGAL2 1 year ago
read in context he knew she had faith and was here to reach the unfaithful. Please read and depend on the bible alone.
xiphoneapps 1 year ago
@xiphoneapps Where does the Bible say to read and depend on the Bible ALONE??
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Don't you wish these people would undestand
imatrueblair2 1 year ago
You say Jesus is racist? What blasphemy! We both know Jesus is/was sinless. So, we also know to be a racist, is a sin. So you are calling Jesus one? Wrong! Think about this: If you are racist or hate another race, you are saying you hate God's children and are saying He made a mistake in creating the darked skinned people. Hmmmmmmm....... So sad to even think/say my sinless Savior Jesus was racist. I will pray for you.
ThankyouJESUS316 1 year ago
@ThankyouJESUS316 Maybe you can pray for UNDERSTANDING too while you are at it, because you completely missed the point of the video.
Let me explain. IF people accuse mormons of racism, then, if they are reasonable people, they will also be compelled to accuse Jesus of racism, because of his treatment of the NON JEWISH lady.
I choose not to judge racism. THAT's the point. Jesus was NOT racist, and neither are we. Its all about TESTS in this life. We are being TESTED...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Man and i thought Catholicism was confusing....
tachikoma747 1 year ago
I don't remember the Morman church champianing any cause for the improvement and struggles of Black people. However, I do remember a Morman minister telling me2 Nephi 5:21 where formerly white people (the passage also says their white skin was very fair and delightsome) are cursed by God with black skin as a punishment. To be black is to be cursed and to be cursed is to be black.
EducateDaSoul 1 year ago
@EducateDaSoul I won't dispute that the Book of Mormon says that. Those people WERE previously white, and the brothers of Nephi were cursed, and the skin color happened to be darker. I don't know, if you were God, and you were going to change the skin color of a white person, what color would you have chosen so it would not appear "racist?" (sarcasm).
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@EducateDaSoul
The Old Testament has the Tower of Babel. Do you have a problem with God creating races? Is it always "racist?" He did that BECAUSE they were being bad, btw. So, with your line of reasoning here, all of the people on the earth NOT of the color of Adam and Eve, whatever color they were, are "cursed?"
That's the logic I am hearing here, and I do not agree with it.
If Nephi's brothers were cursed for their sins, that does NOT make their descendants cursed. They are not.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
are you serious dude? you just accused Jesus of be a racist. this is very disturbing and down right upsetting.
MrBirdski10 1 year ago
@MrBirdski10 No I didn't, if you could understand juxtaposition. I am not the one accusing mormons of racism. I am merely pointing out that if you are going to take that FALSE approach against the mormons, you are also going to have to take that FALSE approach against Jesus Christ. I pointed out how wrong it was.
The fact that you MISSED this seems to indicate that you also have unfair leanings towards mormons and don't even listen to what they say. It should have been obvious here...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
the Prophet Joseph Smith taught that "the spirit of Elias is first, Elijah second, and Messiah last." This teaching suggests three distinct periods in Church history.
Perhaps 3 April 1836 can be thought of as the close of the "Elias period" or preparatory phase of Church history, when finally all the forerunners had restored their keys in the spirit of Elias. (See D&C 27:5-13; 128:20-21.)
omiolo 1 year ago
This period could have been closed when Elias himself, perhaps the same Elias who holds the keys of the restoration of all things (D&C 27:6), returned immediately before Elijah.
omiolo 1 year ago
In the Bible, which races were allowed to be part of the priesthood and which races were NOT?
omiolo 1 year ago
Well, it IS on par. It was not racism with Jesus Christ. It was not racism with Joseph Smith. On par.
What is wrong is all these people accusing people of racism, when they don't even understand what's in the Bible.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
John 10;16 And aother bsheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be cone fold, and one shepherd.
NGH760LDS 1 year ago
Bishop Mardy is charged with keeping things in order. He has served as bishop all of two months. He lost his mother and sister in the earthquake. His 3-year-old nephew was kidnapped in December and hasn't been heard from since.
The bishop often seems deep in thought. He said he is concerned about his entire flock. But it's the people not staying at the camp that he worries most about.
"It's really hard to know what's happening with all members," he said.
omiolo 2 years ago
For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
2 Nephi 26:33
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Do black men marry white morman women?
norcalnupe 2 years ago 3
Yes they do! And vice versa.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
@norcalnupe
Yes. My cousin is married to my good friend;
His name is Michael Wise.
He and Shauna, my cousin, are married in an LDS temple.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
@norcalnupe
It's a fair question and the answer is "Yes"
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Norcalnupe, the church is still pretty direct in discouraging marriages "across cultures". However, interracial marriages are no longer prohibited in the church as it was in the past. To quote Brigham Young as prophet in 1863:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so". (Obviously, the stance has changed).
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
You can quote that PRE CIVIL WAR stuff, but it's in the past, isn't it? I mean 1800's wild west stuff. Get real.
Now did you know that in 1924 Virginia got into the making of marriage between blacks and whites a FELONY offense? SB 219, entitled "The Racial Integrity Act."
Brigham Young quotes some Old Testament laws, gets hammered for it, and yet we have so MANY racists and REAL bigots in our modern era passing laws and such that just dwarf anything he ever said. KKK too. Wise up atheist.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
History shows that the Mormons loved the blacks always, and still do and will forever, because we are ALL the children of God
omiolo 2 years ago
Yes the did, and always will, forever and ever, for skin color matters not in the kingdom of God.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
It did/does with the Mormon god. You are deceived or lying if you say that skin color has never mattered within your church.
NHisMage 2 years ago 8
It was NEVER skin color. It was lineage and color mattered not. No one can group this, honestly, with racism.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
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cocreatinglife 2 years ago
@cocreatinglife No, you are wrong. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints has got all things right with it. 12 Apostles. A prophet. Priesthood. Temples and temple ordinances. All of the ordinances of the gospel including baptism and Holy Ghost. Families sealed forever for time and eternity. A TRUE understanding of the nature of God, being an exalted man, and literally OUR Father, just like Jesus taught in Matthew 5.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
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cocreatinglife 2 years ago
@cocreatinglife There was a complete RESTORATION of the gospel of Jesus Christ. God came to earth and called a prophet, Joseph Smith. Angels came also and delivered more truths and more scripture, and the world is being saved from a great curse as long as these truths continue to go forth. Don't look to some future church. It is here and you need to be obedient to the Lord and join it.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Contributions from the ward and neighbors greatly facilitated the process. Alan Palmer donated the wheat that they cleaned to use as seed and provided the use of his combine during the harvest. "What would have taken the priests quorum two weeks to do by hand took the combine two hours," Bishop Redd said.
omiolo 2 years ago
5,300 to 5,500 pounds of wheat were donated to the Cache Community Food Pantry.
omiolo 2 years ago
It seems like you are reading from a pamphlet and in no wise have actually read the Book of Mormon, have you? What's this verse 3, 54, 74? You are reading from a pamphlet and shortly after these verses, no doubt, is the opinion of another man.
It is not up to us to question why God does things but to accept that he does things according to his own will and pleasure. It is, however, up to us to decide how we are going to accept the things which he has given us. All things will be made known.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 2
Good one, Grant!
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
sorry you have made a false statement, there is and has been racism in the church - I know it and lived it. and I am a strong member of the church. But I understand that no one is perfect and most of all I am not going to let someone's prejudice hold me back from my blessings, even in your example you showed racism - why not say that caucasions (only isrealites)did not recieve the priesthood after Jesus was resurrected. That is how you despute arrogance over color and worthyness.
thekid1972 2 years ago 4
Ok but we are talking about two different things. I am talking of the church as a whole, and you are talking of an individual experience. I know that there are millions of individual experiences in all churches that have not been pleasant, where people have been offended, or where racism has taken place.
God plays the race card too as a test, if you want to look at it that way. Gentiles/Jews. Lamanites/Nephites. Children of Israel/Egyptians, etc. Its all a test of how we behave/react.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
my dear brother, I don't think God plays the race card, man does - it was Lehi's children who separated themselves and there were good and bad among them all, matter of fact the most wicked person in the BOM was a nephite (korahor), When JS restored the gospel he gave it to blacks as well, this was later changed by someone else. He blessed both Isreal& Egypt together -only when they separted themselves (egypt enslaved isreal) did things change.
thekid1972 2 years ago
But JS was not a racist and he did give the priesthood to Elijah Abel, etc., but during the translation of the Book of Abraham he learned new things. Then it changed.
Just like when Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon with Oliver Cowdery, they came across something about baptism, and they got inspired, inquired of the Lord and they were baptized as a result. Line upon line was the method.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
They may have been blessed with Israel but even amongst the Israelite people, the tribe of Levi were the only ones in which the Lord authorized to work in the temple and perform priesthood ordinances. If it is the assumption that men should decide who God gives power to, then it diminishes the purpose of the priesthood because the priesthood belongs to GOD and it is of GOD alone to decide who should receive it. The same priesthood the early church had; See Revelations 1:5-6)
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
The future of the LDS Church is the African and the African American. They are accepting the gospel of Jesus Christ at rates never before seen in this dispensation.
omiolo 2 years ago
We will see the church grow until all left upon the world are following Christ during the 1000 years of peace. It will be well said and Jesus Christ will acknowledge us in that day. It will be well known that Joseph Smith was that messenger whom Malachi Prophesied would come forth... (Malachi 3:1-2) See also D&C 110
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 2
I looks forward to the peace.
omiolo 2 years ago 2
I think I know where you are coming from. Racism is just your cover. You are really upset at the church over the whole PROP 8 thing, and now you are trying, stretching, to find fault of some kind. Sure, why not the race card?
Gays are not born that way. That's a really dumb theory, because when you look at any little kid younger than say, 8 years old, all you see is innocence, and none of those kids are acting out on any gay sex ideas. Heck, they don't even think of it yet. THEORY.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I don't think its arrogant to have comment approval when there are people who come here and profane. Its bad enough that I have to see that, but I don't want others being offended at some of the hate speech that slips in here. I run a clean channel.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Amen, my friend!
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Excuse me, the Bible has examples that DWARF those found in the Book of Mormon, IF you want to make this ridiculous charge of "racism." I disdain people always playing the pathetic race card just because they are people of color. Get over it. I am not a racist. My church is not racist. The Book of Mormon is not racist. You are disgruntled for some reason, I have seen your channel, and it seems to be your focus in life to find the racists, create the racists in the world.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Grant, we both know that the only time most of these "so-called Christians" pick up the bible is maybe once or twice during Sunday school. The rest of their information is provided by their pastors; including but not limited to their 'basement workshops' whose aim is to denounce the LDS church. (A very wise use of their Sunday School time, I am sure...) I think it bothers non members that we actually read the bible when they do not. We believe it 100% while they believe maybe 10% of it.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Nobody does not believe in God. Its too obvious that there IS a God, that anyone who is saying there is not one has something to hide. They have lied to themselves for so long that they begin to believe it. Like Korihor of the Book of Mormon era. He lied and said there was no God, taught many people these lies, had "success" in that, and when confronted with the prophet of the land, was struck dumb, and then he confesses that he ALWAYS KNEW there was a God. Atheists are liars.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I don't beleive in god, mormons are the same as scientologist so are christians
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
That is a very vague and general blanket accusation...
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 2
Your comment was short but vague.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
HAVE you heard the words of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and so many others?
Come on now, these are the words of your beloved "prophets." This is the Lord's mouthpiece you choose! YUK!
Gimmie a break.
~ex mormon (I knew nothing of this while a member)
beachlady78 2 years ago
When you were a member, you did not study the standard works? It is no mystery, and what you fail to realize is that you can't compare the words of people who spoke hundreds of years ago to those who speak today, because today, EVERYBODY speaks with political correctness in public. But why don't you sneak into a behind the scenes meeting with say, BARAK OBAMA and see what he really says. Things like "cling to guns and religion" when speaking of the ordinary people. He is a marxist. Be fair.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I'm willing to suggest that you didn't learn much about ANYTHING period while a member of the church... which made your exit an easy one for Satan to help you prepare.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
What this video does is to show a means of interpreting the Mormon faith that is not racist. What it does not do is answer the claims that the Mormon church has a history of racism or that racist ideas have not played a key role in th development of Mormon doctrine.
Brimshack 2 years ago 2
The church has NO history of racism. But this country DOES. It was not the mormons who started SLAVERY. It WAS the mormons who got persecuted for sympathy towards the abolition cause. Those slave holders saw that we taught the gospel to slaves and treated them as equals. Same with American Indians. For this reason, the mormons were persecuted for making friends with the indians. Look it up. You are barking up the wrong tree on this. Civil war ensued after all this.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
The civil war happened some 30 years after Joseph Smith had predicted that it would; It is well documented in both Church history as well as in the Doctrine and Covenants...
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 2
It shows that if one group of "Christians" ie, those who read the bible and understand Matthew 15 and explain how Jesus was not a racist then with the same understanding, we can understand why the latter-day version of his church could also be found as being 'obedient to the Lord' on all things and regarding revelations received by Joseph Smtih, the church had to be obedient to them. God would not forever stay his hand. Those who were patient and remain shall ALL receive eternal life;
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
I can tell that you spend a great amount of time in prayer and reading the scriptures. You are blessed with the spirit of truth and I know that no one can be convinced by the lips of man, but only by the spirit of God. You are pointing people in the right direction. If you are reading this and not a Mormon, I challenge you to read the book of Mormon. It is a testament of the divinity of Christ and spiritual proof that the priesthood has been restored. Eph 1:10
sherin119 2 years ago
Amen, sherin!
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Thank you for what you are doing.
ikinessi 2 years ago
,the bible is interesting for sure?? what was Jesus talking about here,,
Matthew 22: 24-34,
tnfellow 2 years ago
hahahaha what crap. he didn't address the racism. all religion is bullshit.
msole06 2 years ago
I did address the so called racism. Did you actually watch the video?
Also, atheism is such a farce. Carl Sagan sits in a spirit prison awaiting resurrection, doing no pompous interviews putting down religions, etc., because in the spirit prison atheists are no longer atheists, because the know there is a God, that they just got judged, and await with fear their final judgment in a resurrected body to face God 1000 years from now and account for their works here on this earth.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
i actually feel sorry for you, they have you believing these lies. carl sagan was not a atheist and he said that. but he also was not a moron believing crap just because someone told him to. religion is not supported by evidence. and you can not justify the hatred and mass murder that your CULT has committed. they have you brainwashed my friend. believing in invisible magical creatures. if that does not cause you to think, i don't know what will.
msole06 2 years ago 2
An atheist is just an arrogant agnostic who has put their foot down.
Why do you call people who believe and know things morons, just because you haven't experienced what they have experienced?
Would you call someone who skydives, tells you about it, and you have never skydived, would you call them a moron for sharing their experience of it with you?
Makes no sense.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Hate and mass murders? What?
Do you mean the kind that ATHEIST COMMUNISTS like MEGA murderers Russia, China, Germany, North Korea, Mexico, etc. had running their countries?
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I am sorry for spamming you so much. But I have another. Please read Matthew 22:23-30. It's too long to post on here. I really want you to be one of those few, I am not trying to argue with you. I am just trying to tell you something, I do hope you are not taking it in the wrong way.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
"13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14. So please, inspect yourself according to the Bible."Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
So this scripture does approve the idea that NARROW is the way, and few there be that find it. That would describe a minority. That would NOT describe mainstream. Have you considered that?
FEW is unfortunate, but if 1/4 of the world is saying they are christian, that would not be a "few" that would be a lot, actually. In other words, it has got to mean "few" if what Jesus said is true. The numbers are small, are a minority
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Ok, so first you read out of the Bible to back up saying that mormons are not racist. Then you refer to something completely different to preach. You preach out of the book of mormon. This just angers me man. The Bible and the book of mormon contridict one another. Now.... read Matthew 22 verses 23-30. Mormons pervert the teachings of Jesus Christ. You worship satans brother. Not Jesus Christ. For you believe that your "jesus christ" is the brother of the devil.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
angers you?
You know not of what spirit you are.
Luke 9:55 But [Jesus] turned, and rebuked [His apostles], and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Look for the good. Don't condemn that which is good. Don't be angry because of the truth.
Luke 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
*chuckles* Truth? Ok, I agree, you do have to look for the good. But listen, when did Jesus Christ ever say that he was the brother of satan? That's false teaching.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
2 Ne. 28: 27 Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more!
28 And in fine, wo unto all those who tremble, and are angry because of the truth of God! For behold, he that is built upon the rock receiveth it with gladness; and he that is built upon a sandy foundation trembleth lest he shall fall. 29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough!
Book of Mormon is true.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Jesus satan's brother?
Use your biblical logic. Lucifer (satan) is said to be in heaven and was cast down from heaven, and that he was a SON of the MORNING. Son of who?
And since he was in heaven, we may very well surmise that he was a son of God, like all the other sons of God.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Jesus is NOT the ONLY son of God. He had brothers. Biblical.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Before you say that that passage in Job is about earthlings, recall that the context of the passage is referring to a time BEFORE the foundations of the earth were laid. IN other words, a pre-mortal existence.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
This was before Adam and Eve, even at the foundations. Even to Jeremiah He said:
Jer. 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Oh snap, you are in for it now. One momento. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 Now that's Biblical.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
I agree with that scripture too. Do you agree with the Old Testament scriptures I quoted?
The operative word in John 3:16 is BEGOTTEN Son.
God has billions of sons. But there is only ONE Begotten Son, and that means that Jesus was born of Mary, but His Father is God the Father.
Even Jesus said we have the same spirit Father.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
No, that's not true in the way you say it. Look at this. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44 Yes, God will call us His children if we are in the body of Christ. By the way, Jesus Christ is comming very soon.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
Well now I am thinking that you are playing the semantics game of FATHER and the many different uses of that term. Sure Jesus was right, those wicked people make the devil their father, much like the Founding Fathers of this nation were given the term father.
But Jesus spoke truly of HIS Father, and He also spoke of this same being as OUR Father. There is no room for semantics here. 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22. May God bless you. Take care.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
I like all of these scriptures you bring up, I really do and believe them too. I just don't understand why you think they apply to me or what I believe? I am more biblical than you. I don't deny the scriptures that I have been bringing up to you, but you are ignoring them.
That scripture you mention, false Christs, false prophets, it does NOT mean that all Christs and prophets are false. In other words, some are TRUE. Do you think there is a TRUE Christ? Then, when, where?
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I do believe there is a True Christ. Of course. The God of Israel. The Missiah. The one which was crucifies and took upon the sins of the world. Fulfilled many prophecies, and rose from the dead on the 3rd day.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
me too.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Sir, maybe you are more Biblical than I am, I don't know. But I really do want you to know Christ. "7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
No sir, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6. I do agree that God created people, but I don't believe that God begotten them. The only begotten Son of God is Jesus Christ. And you are a child of God if you are in the body of Christ. "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid." 1 Corinthians 6:15
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
Jesus had powers that none of us have in this life. He was half mortal, and half God the Father. The Bible tells us that He was born of a virgin, Mary, indicating that God did not have sex with Mary as some have postulated we believe, which is false. But God DID make Mary get pregnant by His power, because the Bible says that the power of the Holy Ghost overshadowed her.
No one else was EVER born this way, THUS, Only Begotten Son. Does NOT mean there are no other spirit sons.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Of course Jesus has a lot of power, and He still does, and He always did, and will. Jesus Christ was 100% human and 100% God. The Bible does not mention about any spirit children.... We are God's creation, and yes, God breathed the spirit into us. Not had sex with his many wives.
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
It does not make sense to say that 100% + 100% = 100%. Nor does it make sense to say that Jesus was 200%.
Jesus was half God and half human. His mother was Mary, the human part, and His Father was Heavenly Father, the God part. Jesus bled BLOOD but He also had POWERS that helped Him bleed that blood in the Garden of Gethsemane where He took upon Himself the sins of the world, no human could have done that, and as Luke says, His sweat was as GREAT DROPS OF BLOOD falling to the ground.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Half God? Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him dwelleth all the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily". Luke 24:39, Jesus says, "Behold my hands and my feet,, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Plus, what you said goes against Matthew 2:1 and Alma 7:10.
rodwyr 2 years ago
Work with me here.
Jesus bled BLOOD. That's fully God? No, that's the human side, but no human could have endured what He endured.
Its complicated, but is this really important, whether He was technically 100% or 200%? What's important to me is to know that He, Jesus Christ, is our Savior and suffered for our sins that we might live. He lives today as a fully resurrected being, God in heaven, with His Father, OUR Father, in Heaven.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Sir, are you really in the body of Christ? Do you know Christ? This is a very important question. Because, "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." Matthew 7:21-23
BurningFlashlight 2 years ago
Yes I am in the body of Christ. Yes I do know Jesus Christ, and I speak to God in prayer and I hear His voice by the power of the Holy Ghost back. This is real and it is my faith. People don't need to worry about people who are effective in their prayers. It is the ones that pray and hear nothing in return that need to worry and get that right with God.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I am certain that there are much more mysterious things to wonder about, that the Bible describe, (esp. in OT) but we still can believe it, than why black people not had access to the priesthood until the seventies. Black people has always been forced, in many ways, to struggle harder and against the wind, there are something special about them, and i dont mean it in a bad way. History has shown that their path are not always the same as white peoples path, in life.
MoonlightDuchess 2 years ago
Our history has been distorted to justify slavery. Everyone accepted Egyptians as blacks until the advent of slavery. The mighty hunter Nimrod was black and had favor before God. The Egyptians intermarried with JewsKing Solomon did. Sadly, our programmed thinking does not permit us to see beyond our inherited limited views of the definition of being black.
Darkzkin 2 years ago
Yes, there are problems. Have you ever been in a foul-smelling room for so long you become habituated to it? The only way to know if there is a stench is to step out the room or have someone enter the room from a different environment and inform you that the room stinks. Well, racism is the same. It has poisoned how you and I perceive black folks.
Darkzkin 2 years ago
I am sorry to hear those awful things that happened to you.
Darkzkin 2 years ago
God revealed to Joseph Smith that his black sons and daughters should not have the priesthood? Please, show me the source, so I can accept my position in life as inferior to white folks.
Darkzkin 2 years ago
There are too many white people that sleep well at night believing that they are better than black folks with the pseudo garbage that has been passed down from generations. No one dares challenge. Why?