Thank you Jack- You are absolutely right. Whoopie G is wrong and Vick should have done at least 15 yrs. Thank you. -Animals can know fear and agony too. Thanks again Jack.
Unless you've been to the South don't state your opinions on its culture. There are great things and bad things. Cock fighting, dog fighting, eating pig's feet and racism are the bad things. Doing whatever the fuck whenever you want because the only cop in town is your first cousin is one of the good things
LordP: I guess ur life is beautiful, but children and families dying so you can have oil cheaper... and your biggest worry is dog fight... it is more than sarcastic.
People need to wake up, Dog fighting is ILLEGAL!!! Vick knew that and he still did it. He didn't get long enough in my opinion! He knew what he was doing was wrong!! Obviously whoppi is as sick as him!
EVERYONE knows dog fighting is wrong. If they didn't they would do it publicly. But they do not now do they...? Anyone that says Vick is not to blame is a complete idiot just as Vick himself is a lowlife idiot. I don't care where you grow up... I don't care what excuse you use... If you hurt an innocent animal you are dirt. If you try to rationalize a dog fighters behavior you are part of the problem.
Way to twist what Whoopi says to suit your own agenda. Whoopi Goldberg was not "justifying" his actions or "apologizing" for what he did. She was merely pointing out that maybe, just possibly, he might not have been aware of the complete cultural irresponsibility of his actions, because the "culture" he was exposed to might not have disapproved of his actions.
Ok, so I'm pretty late on this debate but how does it matter if its a part of the "culture" he grew up in or not? The bottom line is a full grown man fought and tortured dogs for entertainment. He was not living in the back woods, he was a wealthy football player with lawyers, he most certainly knew the law and he knew he was breaking it. It doesnt matter if you grew up thinking bunny toture was ok, a normal person would conform to societys views on animal cruelty.
Thank you. Very good point about the slavery. Whoopi's name itself is an insult to blacks and so is her attitude. She was really annoying in Star Trek too.
I dont care what anybody says, If its hunting for FOOD Im fine with that, but Overall, hunting is NOT a sport. All yall are fruits and hypocrites if you think hunting for fun is ok but what mike Vick did was wrong. At least Vick was killing his own animals and not innocent ones from nature.
Mike Vick was targeted by the United States government; I am wondering what the motive is. No one can take the dog fighting charge seriously I think it is a trivial charge which should be immediately dropped. Surely a Man's reputation is more important than the life of 6 dogs.
Just want to weigh in here and say that it is *not* widely acceptable in the south to fight dogs. I live in Mississippi and if there are dog fighting rings here (at least in my area), they are very well hidden. Give the south a break. We catch crap for a lot of stuff that does happen here, please don't try to add is stuff that doesn't happen here. I hear of dog fighting in other places in the north far more than here. Watch Animal Cops on Animal Planet, Whoopi!
Another home run for Major Midnight! Culture is not an excuse for cruel and immoral behavior. When I lived in Central America, some men defended beating their wives by saying that it was part of their culture. I'm tellin' ya, this man needs his own TV show. He makes more sense than most of the talking heads that consider themselves experts.
At the very least, hunger is something I can understand. I wouldn't eat dogs, but any meat except human, is fair game as far as I'm concerned, as long as eating is the end game.
true. although i think torture often goes along with the meat industry. i mean im sure dogs raised for meat wouldn't be treated too well. i mean its just that, an industry. *cringe* no disrespect to good family farms but so called 'factory farms' are the rising trend. but yeah, Whoopi was full of shit.
oh my, a metro sexual stops by *chuckle* my glasses are nothing more than reading glass, dolt. I didn't twist anything. Whoopie defending Vick on the basis that his "culture" taught him to do that evil thing. Poor boy just didn't see what the problem was.
I'm not surprised a metro sexual such as yourself would only give a critique on my appearance; you nancy boys are all about style over substance.
I think that is the light-glare, anyhow so what if he wears glasses? At least he has a brain to think with & can form properly structured sentences :p
She is an advocate for animals and want people to care about it after the whole vick thing is over and still want to do something about it and to affect change you must first understand certain peoples mindsets and culture. KINDA LIKE SLAVERY.
I don't have to understand anything allen, maybe you think you do, I don't know. Animals don't really need "advocates." So you go ahead and pretend you know about "mindsets and culture."
Apparently in your mindset, in your culture, making fido play vicious is a cool game, but not in mine.
We DO excuse slavery from the past and she made perfect sense. she didn't defend vick as she said she condemned the behavior and NEVER said he was not to blame. So you are fabricating facts. and it is a cultural thing because all over the nation this behavior is acceptable. People have known about it and siad nothing until a celebrity gets caught in it. She agreed that he should be punished as SHE SAID and let us now it is still going on, or haven't you noticed.
Whoopie never makes sense, only dribbles of spittle down her chin. I didn't fabricate a thing, and I don't know what country you live in but dogfighting is anything but "acceptable" in the nation I live in. There are busts for this kind of thing all the time, this time it just happens to be a celeb. And uh, it's over, he already copped a plea.
Hey Major keep up the great work. From someone who's IQ is 154 it's a fresh of breathe air to see someone on YouTube who makes an amzing and straight to the point argument! While most people write biography's on YouTube trying to make a their point understood (because they cant understand what they are writing themselves) it takes the genious 2:38 seconds! Bravo!
Regional specialization proceeded apace as farmers were forced to become more competitive and efficient. Dairying and fruit growing became increasingly popular in New England, aided by high prices, urban demand, and innovations in refrigeration technology.
like I said, answersDOTcom/topics/agriculture
I picked a nice easily digestable source for you to consume *chuckle*
In the North, increased markets and the absence of significant wartime disruption allowed farmers to repay debts and improve their landholdings. Land prices soared, rising in Iowa from twelve dollars an acre in 1860 to twenty-five dollars ten years later. Agriculture became more mechanized, with new plows and reapers taking advantage of farm horses.
No defense?? Why should I defend a GIVEN ???? The only logical response to an idiot is to call him an idiot.
As industrializing cities attracted many rural migrants, northern farmers welcomed developments in labor-saving agricultural machinery. John Deere engineered the steel moldboard plow in 1837 (dubbed the "singing plow" for the whining noise it produced when cutting), a tool much valued on the midwestern prairie with its rough sod. Agricultural societies and fairs proliferated.
The antebellum period was marked by new technologies, increasing commercialization and specialization, geographical expansion, and transportation innovation. Much-improved transport routes aided New England farmers. The opening of the Erie Canal in 1825 allowed grain to be moved at far cheaper cost. While initially charging twenty-two dollars per ton for travel, by 1835 the cost of canal transport had dropped to just four dollars.
The Cumberland or National Road, starting at Cumberland, Maryland, reached Vandalia, Illinois, in 1841. Westerly migration continued unabated, with the farming frontier extending to Indiana, Illinois, and Iowa in the north and Texas in the south. Pioneers took to raising cattle for beef in Ohio and parts of Kentucky.
Are you sure there was no agriculture in the north?
During the 1700s, New England agriculturalists experimented with specialized forms of production. Animal husbandry developed horses to pull wagons. By furnishing all manner of grains for consumption in the fast-expanding cities of the Atlantic seaboard, as well as for export abroad, New Jersey and Pennsylvania farmers earned their colonies the reputation of breadbasket kingdoms.
During the American Revolution, agriculture proved essential in keeping both armies fighting. Farmers responded to war by increasing their production of cattle, fruit, and crops. A female labor force filled roles previously occupied by men. Shortages usually came about as a result of troop movements and transportation problems rather than agricultural shortfalls.
Agree. What Vick did was inhumane and above all, cowardly. Actions consistent of a bully. Whoopi is jumping on this simply because he is black. That's a fact. She wouldn't consider supporting this if Troy Aikman did it. Dousing the dog in water and then electrocuting it to death? What the hell is wrong with people? Enjoy prison Vick, you wuss.
Your argument sounds as reasonable as they come. When I first heard about it, I began to understand that thought process. Then after thinking about it, I had similar thoughts. Well said.
Yeah like hunting deer for there antlers is s sport also animal cruelty-but since white men are the majority hunters its COOL-RIghT -dOGFIGHTING IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL, BUT NEITHER IS HUNTING
Oh, so now it's a black and white thing now! Sorry dude, you seriously need to have an understanding here. It ain't about a race thing, it ain't about a color, and it ain't about a culture thing. It's about doing something that's against "THE LAW!"
you obviously know nothing about hunting what you think we just take the antlers and throw away the rest
no, we take the meat and we have meat for years all for 7 to 14 dollars a deer when you have to go buy meat all year adding up to who knows how much money
No such thing as "too much time" Jaiide, seriously. Life is made up of so few precious moments you really should count each and every one as a blessing. Life is such a beautiful thing. I know it's fun to get down in the mud sometimes, hell, I dig it. But it has to be more, yes? Tell me a story and I'll bet we discover you have more in common with me, than not. and that goes for akfak0retlaw, and amyinnewyork as well. We've had our fun, now let's move on, staring in awe at the wonder.
No, if you werent so narrow minded and make ignorant and quick assumptions, you could understand whoopi's point of view. she never condoned nor said "lets forgive vick" SHES ON A FUCKING TALK SHOW, she took a different turn for once and looked at it from a different point of view, and if you are too stupid to just wrap your stupid mind around a different concept, then i guess the public school of your jurasic time let YOU down
I think you didn't understand Whoopi...she never suggested he was excused for his behavior, just that it was WHY he acted why he did in response to the hatred towards him.
The debate over nature vs. Nuture is clearly what Whoopi was getting at. Michael Vick was RAISED in an environment that condoned dog fighting. When he saw how the country reacted, he reacted in the way he did because he never faced this kind of opposition.
I mean, he's from The South...ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan? They raised individuals to think what they did was the "right" thing.
I wish you wold get off this "blaming and excuses" kick you're trying to push because it's not working. No one is making excuses for what he did. No one is blaming anyone for what he did. Everyone knows that what he did was wrong. Whoopi never said she was "taking up" for Vick. I could make excuses for you for putting words in Whoopi's mouth too. Could it be your upbringing? Were your parents liars like you?
Blame is what Vick did himself, when he pleaded guilty, idiot. Whoopi was making excuses when she tried to suggest Vick wasn't to blame, his culture was. I didn't put any words in anyone's mouth. If you can point to a "lie" I've told, I'd love to see it.
Whoopi rocks... Period. Lol, on a serious note, she tends to have a level head in the things she says and does. Only arrogance and ignorance makes people lose their temper when they hear the truth...
Also, look up dog-fighting in google, at the library, or anywhere and you'll figure out that she's not stereoyping anything. It's actually a part of history and culture. You may not see, but just like every other illegal/legal action, things happen behind closed doors.
Of ocurse it's a part of history, but not "southern culture EXCLUSIVELY. Dogfighting is practiced around the world, and certainly cannot be blamed on Vick's "cultural" upbringing. Rather, it is a reflection of his arrogance, and his inability or unwillingness to OBEY THE LAW.
All of you that think she's defending him, are idiots. You should check yourself and actually think about what she said. This was not about finding an excuse for his actions. It's all about finding the root of what caused the issue, correcting it, and moving forward.
The "root" of what caused it, is Michael Vick's arrogance. Yes, Whoopi was defending him, just like Jamie Foxx defended him, and others. Birds of a feather and all that.
What? Where did Michael Vick learn the sport? How was and when was the sport invented. We know he wrong and no one making excuses for him, but why (besides "his arrogance") did he continue to do it?
"Birds of a feather"? You sound like Bill O'Reilly now. Should I believe that you are racist because I feel my associate across the room from me is? Birds of a feather, right?
Fools torturing dogs taught him. Its been around long before Vick, which only PROVES my point this isn't a "culture" thing, or a "race" thing, or a "geography" thing. It's about a man breaking the law and disregarding any value placed on life. Serial killers often start by torturing and killing animals, and Vick probably isn't much removed from such a mentality.
If YOU don't believe the "black community" doesn't have a pack mentality, isn't really watching modern American black culture.
Ooo chuckle... I'm frm England i don't even know anything about this. All I know is Whoopi never gets bad press and dogfighting is wrong... Well, not all I know, but about this it is. Do you HAVE a life?
It IS a part of culture, but not "southern" culture EXCLUSIVELY as Whoopi suggested. It happens all over the world not just in the south. It IS a racial issue, when ONLY other blacks are defending Vick in the media. Ever heard of Jeffrey Dahmer?? Google +"serial killers" +childhood +animals and see what you find out.
ha. too bad vick will probably get away with this due to his status and his wealth. personally, i'd like to see his ass get thrown in the slammer; the same treatment any average person in our society would receive. at least his name has been tarnished.
orthoinsid, come on dude-- this isn't about geography or race, it's about some loser that thinks it's fun to torture animals for his own entertainment.
The "southern mentality" has been an embarrassment since the founding of the US, and still is today. "The Mind of the South" by Clay summarizes it well. Egoistic, militaristic, religious dogmatists,anti-intellectual, conformist, racist, facists.. etc.
Boy, you hit my exact thought's right on the money MajorMidknight. First it was Deion Sanders, now it's Whoopi. I suppose livin' here as deep South as you can get here in Miami, the next thing I'll probably here is that people kill people here because it's a fun cultural thing. The man knew the law's, he knew what he was getting into, and he knew that there would be consequence's for his action's if he was caught. This is just proof that you don't have to be dumb to be stupid.
Excellent argument. The word "culture" is used too often to justify crime, hatred, racism, intolerance, etc. People say we must respect anything that's inherent to one's culture. That's B.S. Dog-fighting, the Islamic fundamentalist's desire to kill innocent American civilians, the sex slave trade and fascism deserve no respect. Yet one could argue that all of these are part of one's culture. This argument needs to be thrown out with political correctness.
the view simply replaced one moron with another! every time a negro opens their mouth in defense of vick they are just making the negro community look dumber than ever!!! shut the hell up!
Kind of a surprising comment, considering the handle "luvevil." I would've guessed you'd be all for the evil torture of dogs. But thanks for your input, even though it was rather racially divisive.
Whoopi didn't "explain" anything, she simply made excuses for a "brother." I didn't misunderstand anything the silly broad said at all, she was rather clear. Go blow yourself Heru.
I didn't "purport" any stereotypes idiot, as a matter of fact I was debunking them. Apparently you didn't understand what was being said. You city slickers aren't too bright, are you?
Like I said, I didn't purport anything dear. I don't have a southern accent, I'm not brain addled, and my skin isn't tanned, it is like that year round. I've only lived in the south for about 2 months. I just moved south. I've been a yankee from Nebraska my whole life.
Apparently you believe anyone that isn't from New York is a "hick." That's your arrogance speaking. All you've done is offer up snide innuendo and added nothing to the issue being discussed. That makes you brain addled, not me sweet cheeks.
No brother, killing is not killing--- you cannot equate one form of death, with another, if the circumstances are not the same. Human beings need to eat, and we need to eat animals. I don't have a problem with killing animals for the proper reasons.
Torture isn't among those reasons however, and unnecessary killing isn't either. In addition, I'm all for the death penalty.
Let me add I do not stand up for Dog fighting/ cock fighting/ heck even Boxing ,,LOL..just adding my 2 cents ..on how someone could have that many dogs on their land .. not what they were doing with or against this animals...
Dog Fighting is sprinkled all over the south..It might not be in your neighborhood ..that is why you don't notice it.. Suffolk is a town that is not the least bit urban..people keep hunting dogs ..neighbor might have thought that is what they were...
I live about 20 miles from the Florida line....I'm about deep south as you get. I will let you know that this is not a "southern" or a "cultural thing" as Whoopi put it. Mike Vick is simply an idiot. He deserves to spend time in a "prison". We all know that's not where he'll be going. More like a "resort". Anyway, I would personally like to see him come back to the NFL and get traded to the Cleveland Browns. Their mascot, of course, is a dog. Wouldn't that be interesting?
Amen brother lol...As a southerner i was insulted by Whoopi's comment...it was a black thing ..if he was white and dog fighting she would be one pissed moe foe ..It;s wrong no matter what , race , gender or religion you are..WRONG IS WRONG Whoopi
dog fighting is not apart of southern culture like whoopie might want you to think. i've lived in the deep south, well, forever and have yet to known anyone (or heard of anyone) to take part in dog fighting. i think if it was apart of southern culture it would be commonplace. and where the hell did that come from? michael vick was raised in newport news virginia, hardly the deep south.
No, Virginia isn't the deep south, but it is part of the south, ever since the days of the Confederacy. Obviously, this type of thing occurs in the south, even if you've never heard of it, but it also occurs in many other areas. The first post to this thread indicated it even happens in Europe.
i agree it does happens in the deep south (even though i have never seen or heard about it) but no more or no less than any other part of the country. i agree that virginia is considered in the south (obviously with their roll in the civil war) but philedelphia mississippi and newport news virginia are VERY different. but nonetheless whoopie is a dumbass. enjoyed the video.
Slavery was not a cultural thing, it was an evil economic thing that had nothing to do with culture and everything to do with money. Dog fighting is a cultural thing, much like hooking a fish in the mouth with and yanking on it for minutes until pulling him out of the water than letting him go so some other bastard can do it to him again an than broadcasting that on TV as a sport. That kind of fishing has nothing to do with getting food, but it's acceptable for TV?
akfak, you can deny slavery was a cultural thing if you want to, that doesn't change the facts. Yes, money was a factor as well, but if it was strictly money, then the north would have had slavery as well. As far as catch and release goes, the fish aren't at all hurt by the hooks, unless of course the hooks are just ripped out.
The north didn't use slaves because the northern economy was based on more skilled factory labor. And "the fish aren't at all hurt by the hooks" ??? I'm sure being dragged by the face for several minutes and being thrusted into an environment they can't breath in is a fishes idea of fun.
I'm sure Deer like being shot and having to run for their life before the hunter catches them and kills them. And horse really like having a midget whip them around a track with other horse hoping they don't break a leg and have to be "put down". Koreans eat dogs! This is a cultural thing! You think dogs are mans best friend while others like watching them fight or eating them!
Thank you for conceding and admitting that I'm right by offering nothing useful to the discussion and instead opting to try an insult me to somehow diminish my argument. That seems to be a popular tactic online when one can't think of anything more intelligent to say.
What a big man, conceding for me, and pretending you are "right." *chuckle* I didn't have to diminish your silly opinions, they were diminished as soon as you put your fingers to the keypad, asswipe. Why would I offer you intelligence, when all you've done is offer up a vitriolic rant?
The point is you're either cruel to all animals or nice to all animals. You can't look down on people or arrest them and ruin their life because they hurt animals you like and than the next minute hurt another animal. It's not right and what they did to Micheal Vick was wrong.
I agreed with you right until your defense of Vick.
What the hell did anyone do to Vick? Catch him in a crime?
As someone who once had a pitt bull, this disgusts me. My dog was the most loving animal I have ever had. What these people do to any dog is sick, but what they have done to villianize the breed is disgusting.
I am a huge fan of Michael Vick, but agree that what he did is wrong. The case has nothing to do with animal rights or morality. The bottom line is he was illegally gambling. Sure, people hunt and kill, but they also don't make a fortune doing so. If the government can't get involved and tax you, please believe you're not allowed to capitalize from it.
But I do commend him for making this an easy sentencing, being truthful and honest, and owning up to his manhood. He was apologetic and sincere. You gotta give him that much.
And oh yeah, WTF Whoopi? Common where he is from... The South....that's crazy. I've lived in the South more than 20 years of my life and have never known dogfighting to be common here. Now maybe strip clubs, warm weather, and iced tea.....
cheddardoc, I could be wrong but I don't think he was "truthful" at all about the gambling. He didn't admit to gambling at all, as that would probably have meant a PERMANENT ban from pro football.
Other than that, I agree with you COMPLETELY ! ! !
Gambling is not the problem. Had he been caught Gambling at horse races he would have got a slap on the wrist and wouldn't have gone to jail. But since poor little Fido got killed everyones up in arms. You guys can't get your cute little ass sniffing dogs out of your head and see the whole fucking picture. If there were no cows and dog was our chief source of meat your Big Mac would be a Dog Mac. Not everyone thinks they're mans best friend and not everyone has to!
They don't slaughter "cows" for meat, asswipe, they slaughter cattle. "Cows" are for milk and breeding.
And yes, gambling was indeed a "problem" for Vick, and that is PRECISELY why his lawyer worked so vigorously to prevent Vickie boy from having to cop to that plea.
Good job trying to deflect the argument again by calling me an asswipe. Ok, so if "beef" was not available and Corporate America could make tons of money selling Fido Burgers, your dog would be in a happy meal. They're animals and they're only protected by your ridiculous sympathies as long as we can't use them for other means.
You are an asswipe, and a dickwad, and just a plain old dumb shit. What else should I call you?? Whoopie made the same stupid argument in defense of Vicki boy, when she said we don't eat kitty kats. You can't even make your own arguments, you have to steal them, that's just how stupid you are.
This isn't about my own argument! You're attacking Whoopie statement and I'm defending it. I agree with her statement that Dog fighting is a cultural thing and the only reason everybody is upset with it is because of the same reason we don't eat cats! Because it's not acceptable in our culture, but in other cultures it is and in a country that promotes multi-culturalism we should be quick to judge the man!
And you're an idiot for defending the stupid broad, and uh, Whoopi isn't a man, she's ostensibly a woman, whether we are quick to judge her comments or not, you dolt.
Either you don't have anything intelligent to add or you're incapable of conducting an argument without useless name calling and nit picking. I was talking about judging the "Man" Micheal Vick. I'm defending the argument that not all animals are treated the same so who are we to judge one persons treatment of an animal over an others. If you're just going to say I'm an asswipe again than I guess this was just one big waste of time.
Just to clarify again, it's not an issue of morality. Sadly to say, even though many people are animal lovers, so many more don't give a damn about those dogs. Animal shelters euthanize dogs daily to reduce overpopulation. Again, Michael Vick's intent was to capitalize from illegal gambling. Horse races arent the same. Horses arent killed in the process. And as for hunting, people do that as sport, but it is not lucrative. Thats the difference.
"but if it was strictly money, then the north would have had slavery as well"
It was money. The agricultural economy and small population of the south made slavery profitable. The manufacturing economy of the north was more profitable using immigrant labor.
Then it would have made slavery profitable in the north as well, or are you saying there was no agriculture in the north? And uh, that "immigrant labor" was often indentured SLAVES. Boy are you stupid.
Yes there was almost no agriculture in the north. "immigrant labor" were US citizen with the right to vote and weren't owned by a person. If you're trying to argue that Slavery was a cultural thing than you're completely ridiculous. There is nothing in the Southern Christian bible that says Jesus said it was ok to own another person. Dog fighting and slavery are not the same.
No agriculture in the north ??? *ROLF* You're just to fuckin' stupid for words. Apparently you don't have any idea of what you are talking about, but I do enjoy your posts. You keep me at the top of the heap with your incessant lunacy.
By all means, continue to post your idiotic drivel and make me one of the most discussed videos again today. I'll continue to insult you and have some fun.
"Almost no" Retard! The main source of the northern economy was not agriculture it was skilled factory labor! The South provided most of the food for the country that's why slaves were used in the south and immigrant skilled US citizens were uses in the North. The fact that the North had a better logistical system in place i.e Railroads, meant they could take better advantages of the limited agriculture they did have during the war.
You're not even worth replying to, you're so stupid *G* So I'll just make notes on your stupidity each time you decided to say something stupid, while you continue to rack up comment after comment of lunacy, and thereby keeping me in the running for being among the most commented on videos of the day.
You're a real pal to promote my work this way, even if you are a fuckin' idiot.
Why not enlighten me if I'm so wrong? You clearly believe that you're the fore most authority of American culture prior to the civil war. What part of the North being an Industrialized society needing skilled labor and the South being a agricultural society that was capable of sustaining slavery is so stupid. And that slavery was not a social belief but a simple solution to the labor force in their economy.
Outstanding! You performed exactly as I was told you would. So rarely do they come willingly anymore, but you went all out. It's getting so hard to find souls nowadays. Everyone is so enlightened. Anyway, thanks again. You've made me really happy. Don't worry, you're going to love it there.
And Jamie Foxx may have defended him but he was also responding more to the major attention this was getting. Illegal dogfighting has been going on for ages so you KNOW Vick was not the only one behind all this. He was just the scape goat.
Who said Vick was the only one doing this, and how can he be a scape goat when he himself admits he's guilty? I have said from the BEGINNING dogfighting is practiced around the world, not just in the south of the USA. Therefore it cannot be a "cutural thing" as Whoopie suggested when she made excuses for Vick's inexcusable behavior.
Akfak0retlaw, I agree with your differentiation of the northern and southern economies as they were decades ago. I didn't find one flaw in your explanation; this is historically correct. MajorMidknight, I actually respected you up until this point. Instead of disputing Ak (if you thought otherwise) you descended to insults with no defense.
No defense ??? *chuckle* It isn't my job to shove American History down your throats, and it isn't my problem or my fault you don't know American Historty.
"farming endeavors in the United States were divided according to two types of agricultural system: small-scale farming in the North and the plantation in the South." This is from your link. I said that the north had almost no farming, which wasn't entirely true, but because of the type of farming slaves would not work in the northern system. This means that your arguement against Whoopie that slavery was also cultural is wrong.
It means nothing of the sort, asswipe-- and just because it was small scale farming, doesn't mean there weren't THOUSANDS of small scale farms, producing ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED THEIR OWN ARMY IN THE NORTH.
What does that have to do with your arguement that slavery was cultural? There is no doubt they had enough to feed their army. They didn't use slaves because they had some kind of cultural objections. They didn't use slave because these small scaled farms relied more on technology than large labor forces. So your arguement against Whoopie, that slavery was cultural as a way to attack her arguement that dog fighting is cultural, is wrong.
It has nothing to do with slavery being cultural. You're the moron that presented the ludicrous idea there was "almost no agriculture in the north."
I'm the guy that set you straight. YOU wanted to pretend the north didn't need slaves because they were industrialized, and couldn't feed themselves anymore, so they were forced to trade with the south.
It was a stupid thing for you to say, and I merely pointed that out.
Now that I've proven there was indeed a LARGE amount of agricultural activity in the north, you once again play your little game and suggest agriculture doesn't mean anything, and has nothing to do with Whoopie or Vick. Who said it did ?
Slavery was indeed a "cultural thing," endemic to the south. Whereas the north had a diversified agricultural economy, the south was a one trick pony, with cotton, and a distant tobacco as the main product of plantations.
Culture, was at the root of slavery as the southern way of life.
This idea that slave weren't used in the north because slavery was something only in southern culture is wrong. I already conceded the that the north had a large agriculture system, but it was the type of agriculture and industrialization relying on technology that was why slaves weren't used in the north. It was not the policy of the US to educated slaves, which makes them useless in a modernized labor force.
Thank you Jack- You are absolutely right. Whoopie G is wrong and Vick should have done at least 15 yrs. Thank you. -Animals can know fear and agony too. Thanks again Jack.
rickw1100 8 months ago
She is an uneducated pig. anyone who calls dogfightinf cultural is as much a disgusting piece of shit as Michael vick. Whoopie needs a fucking bath
AnimalLover3667 1 year ago
Unless you've been to the South don't state your opinions on its culture. There are great things and bad things. Cock fighting, dog fighting, eating pig's feet and racism are the bad things. Doing whatever the fuck whenever you want because the only cop in town is your first cousin is one of the good things
LordPaynus 2 years ago
LordP: I guess ur life is beautiful, but children and families dying so you can have oil cheaper... and your biggest worry is dog fight... it is more than sarcastic.
csurmi22 2 years ago
Dog fight is illegal, torture of people is OK!
Life must be very nice over there in the Peoples Republic of America!
csurmi22 2 years ago
@csurmi22 Life is very nice. Better than your moldy ass island that's for fucking sure lol. sucks to be you
LordPaynus 2 years ago
People need to wake up, Dog fighting is ILLEGAL!!! Vick knew that and he still did it. He didn't get long enough in my opinion! He knew what he was doing was wrong!! Obviously whoppi is as sick as him!
abby303 3 years ago 2
5 stars
Sugosuke 3 years ago
EVERYONE knows dog fighting is wrong. If they didn't they would do it publicly. But they do not now do they...? Anyone that says Vick is not to blame is a complete idiot just as Vick himself is a lowlife idiot. I don't care where you grow up... I don't care what excuse you use... If you hurt an innocent animal you are dirt. If you try to rationalize a dog fighters behavior you are part of the problem.
MandyLionWWIII 3 years ago
Way to twist what Whoopi says to suit your own agenda. Whoopi Goldberg was not "justifying" his actions or "apologizing" for what he did. She was merely pointing out that maybe, just possibly, he might not have been aware of the complete cultural irresponsibility of his actions, because the "culture" he was exposed to might not have disapproved of his actions.
Iheartmmtck 3 years ago
Oh, dear. That was embarassing...
quentinfotts 3 years ago
Ok, so I'm pretty late on this debate but how does it matter if its a part of the "culture" he grew up in or not? The bottom line is a full grown man fought and tortured dogs for entertainment. He was not living in the back woods, he was a wealthy football player with lawyers, he most certainly knew the law and he knew he was breaking it. It doesnt matter if you grew up thinking bunny toture was ok, a normal person would conform to societys views on animal cruelty.
julie2188 3 years ago
Thank you. Very good point about the slavery. Whoopi's name itself is an insult to blacks and so is her attitude. She was really annoying in Star Trek too.
CheesyPanda1 3 years ago
can't believe this thing still gets comments or views *G*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
I dont care what anybody says, If its hunting for FOOD Im fine with that, but Overall, hunting is NOT a sport. All yall are fruits and hypocrites if you think hunting for fun is ok but what mike Vick did was wrong. At least Vick was killing his own animals and not innocent ones from nature.
brokeblackbrotha 4 years ago
Well said Major!!!!!!
scott303uk 4 years ago
What a loser!!! Who has time to make this stuff? Honestly...
gclef7 4 years ago
Mike Vick was targeted by the United States government; I am wondering what the motive is. No one can take the dog fighting charge seriously I think it is a trivial charge which should be immediately dropped. Surely a Man's reputation is more important than the life of 6 dogs.
CELLDYN69 4 years ago
thanks lost in ms and arelia
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Great points! Whoopi does not know what she is talking about.
arelia87 4 years ago
Just want to weigh in here and say that it is *not* widely acceptable in the south to fight dogs. I live in Mississippi and if there are dog fighting rings here (at least in my area), they are very well hidden. Give the south a break. We catch crap for a lot of stuff that does happen here, please don't try to add is stuff that doesn't happen here. I hear of dog fighting in other places in the north far more than here. Watch Animal Cops on Animal Planet, Whoopi!
lostinms2 4 years ago
Hey spudmustand, you want to be my running mate??? You do know I'm a write in candidate for President, right ???
write in jJack Midknight, there isn't a politician that's any better....
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Another home run for Major Midnight! Culture is not an excuse for cruel and immoral behavior. When I lived in Central America, some men defended beating their wives by saying that it was part of their culture. I'm tellin' ya, this man needs his own TV show. He makes more sense than most of the talking heads that consider themselves experts.
spudmustang 4 years ago
so would you support eating the dogs instead?
megan2107 4 years ago
At the very least, hunger is something I can understand. I wouldn't eat dogs, but any meat except human, is fair game as far as I'm concerned, as long as eating is the end game.
It's the torture that offends me.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
true. although i think torture often goes along with the meat industry. i mean im sure dogs raised for meat wouldn't be treated too well. i mean its just that, an industry. *cringe* no disrespect to good family farms but so called 'factory farms' are the rising trend. but yeah, Whoopi was full of shit.
megan2107 4 years ago
thanks rock star *chuckle*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
right on!
...nicely said.
eff whoopi, all the other ignorant loudmouth celebrity and athlete supporters, and especially eff vick.
cheers from N&S carolina
longhairedrockstar 4 years ago
Either way, I couldn't care less. Hair?? What, am I samson ??? *chuckle*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
i liked you better with your crazy hair.
rkull12 4 years ago
lmao...dude's glasses thicker than expensive syrup on pancakes
He twisted her words. His ears must be as bad as his eyes. X-Ray Vision specs. Cyclops from X-Men looking ass nigga..
Georgia478MetroBoy 4 years ago
oh my, a metro sexual stops by *chuckle* my glasses are nothing more than reading glass, dolt. I didn't twist anything. Whoopie defending Vick on the basis that his "culture" taught him to do that evil thing. Poor boy just didn't see what the problem was.
I'm not surprised a metro sexual such as yourself would only give a critique on my appearance; you nancy boys are all about style over substance.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
I think that is the light-glare, anyhow so what if he wears glasses? At least he has a brain to think with & can form properly structured sentences :p
minniemai 4 years ago
She is an advocate for animals and want people to care about it after the whole vick thing is over and still want to do something about it and to affect change you must first understand certain peoples mindsets and culture. KINDA LIKE SLAVERY.
allenanb 4 years ago
I don't have to understand anything allen, maybe you think you do, I don't know. Animals don't really need "advocates." So you go ahead and pretend you know about "mindsets and culture."
Apparently in your mindset, in your culture, making fido play vicious is a cool game, but not in mine.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
We DO excuse slavery from the past and she made perfect sense. she didn't defend vick as she said she condemned the behavior and NEVER said he was not to blame. So you are fabricating facts. and it is a cultural thing because all over the nation this behavior is acceptable. People have known about it and siad nothing until a celebrity gets caught in it. She agreed that he should be punished as SHE SAID and let us now it is still going on, or haven't you noticed.
allenanb 4 years ago
Whoopie never makes sense, only dribbles of spittle down her chin. I didn't fabricate a thing, and I don't know what country you live in but dogfighting is anything but "acceptable" in the nation I live in. There are busts for this kind of thing all the time, this time it just happens to be a celeb. And uh, it's over, he already copped a plea.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
BIG BIG BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. LOL this guy is funny , when he says that. Come on man go do something better. haha
wallacej3 4 years ago
*ROFL* thanks Wallace *ROFL*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
I am surprised at the tone of Whoopie's comments. Slavery was also a cultural trait of the Deep South, that did not make it right.
AlexandraLara 4 years ago
Yes it was Alexandra, but I wasn't surprised by Whoopi's comments at all. She's a known nutcase.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Hey Major keep up the great work. From someone who's IQ is 154 it's a fresh of breathe air to see someone on YouTube who makes an amzing and straight to the point argument! While most people write biography's on YouTube trying to make a their point understood (because they cant understand what they are writing themselves) it takes the genious 2:38 seconds! Bravo!
;)
AlexandraLara 4 years ago
Thank you very much Alexandra ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Regional specialization proceeded apace as farmers were forced to become more competitive and efficient. Dairying and fruit growing became increasingly popular in New England, aided by high prices, urban demand, and innovations in refrigeration technology.
like I said, answersDOTcom/topics/agriculture
I picked a nice easily digestable source for you to consume *chuckle*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
In the North, increased markets and the absence of significant wartime disruption allowed farmers to repay debts and improve their landholdings. Land prices soared, rising in Iowa from twelve dollars an acre in 1860 to twenty-five dollars ten years later. Agriculture became more mechanized, with new plows and reapers taking advantage of farm horses.
No defense?? Why should I defend a GIVEN ???? The only logical response to an idiot is to call him an idiot.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
As industrializing cities attracted many rural migrants, northern farmers welcomed developments in labor-saving agricultural machinery. John Deere engineered the steel moldboard plow in 1837 (dubbed the "singing plow" for the whining noise it produced when cutting), a tool much valued on the midwestern prairie with its rough sod. Agricultural societies and fairs proliferated.
Maybe you should check your facts again, eh ???
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
The antebellum period was marked by new technologies, increasing commercialization and specialization, geographical expansion, and transportation innovation. Much-improved transport routes aided New England farmers. The opening of the Erie Canal in 1825 allowed grain to be moved at far cheaper cost. While initially charging twenty-two dollars per ton for travel, by 1835 the cost of canal transport had dropped to just four dollars.
No agriculture in the north, really?
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
The Cumberland or National Road, starting at Cumberland, Maryland, reached Vandalia, Illinois, in 1841. Westerly migration continued unabated, with the farming frontier extending to Indiana, Illinois, and Iowa in the north and Texas in the south. Pioneers took to raising cattle for beef in Ohio and parts of Kentucky.
Are you sure there was no agriculture in the north?
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
During the 1700s, New England agriculturalists experimented with specialized forms of production. Animal husbandry developed horses to pull wagons. By furnishing all manner of grains for consumption in the fast-expanding cities of the Atlantic seaboard, as well as for export abroad, New Jersey and Pennsylvania farmers earned their colonies the reputation of breadbasket kingdoms.
No agriculture in the north, you say?
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
During the American Revolution, agriculture proved essential in keeping both armies fighting. Farmers responded to war by increasing their production of cattle, fruit, and crops. A female labor force filled roles previously occupied by men. Shortages usually came about as a result of troop movements and transportation problems rather than agricultural shortfalls.
No agriculture in the north?
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
You tell'em JT ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Agree. What Vick did was inhumane and above all, cowardly. Actions consistent of a bully. Whoopi is jumping on this simply because he is black. That's a fact. She wouldn't consider supporting this if Troy Aikman did it. Dousing the dog in water and then electrocuting it to death? What the hell is wrong with people? Enjoy prison Vick, you wuss.
jtbikers 4 years ago
you are a stupid muthafucka you are tottally changing around everything she said you fuckin red neck you aint makin no sense idiot
tharealmrnut 4 years ago
You are either a black, ebonics using tool of the underclass, or a white bread wanna be, either way, you're irrelevant.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
fuck you pussy
tharealmrnut 4 years ago
*ROFL* classic stuff dude *ROFL*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
YOur a Loser my friend get a life, you 40 year old virgin. lolol
wallacej3 4 years ago
That would be "You're a loser" you dolt. You're a mindless coward extraordinaire.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Your argument sounds as reasonable as they come. When I first heard about it, I began to understand that thought process. Then after thinking about it, I had similar thoughts. Well said.
AtomicUs5000 4 years ago
Thanks AtomicUS ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
say yeah, whatever you said, or thought you said. specificity is almost required for communication to occur.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
this guy is a moron.
everybodysayyeah 4 years ago
Yeah like hunting deer for there antlers is s sport also animal cruelty-but since white men are the majority hunters its COOL-RIghT -dOGFIGHTING IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL, BUT NEITHER IS HUNTING
vickscousin27 4 years ago
Oh, so now it's a black and white thing now! Sorry dude, you seriously need to have an understanding here. It ain't about a race thing, it ain't about a color, and it ain't about a culture thing. It's about doing something that's against "THE LAW!"
jorgelmartinez18 4 years ago
you obviously know nothing about hunting what you think we just take the antlers and throw away the rest
no, we take the meat and we have meat for years all for 7 to 14 dollars a deer when you have to go buy meat all year adding up to who knows how much money
JordE1985 4 years ago
No such thing as "too much time" Jaiide, seriously. Life is made up of so few precious moments you really should count each and every one as a blessing. Life is such a beautiful thing. I know it's fun to get down in the mud sometimes, hell, I dig it. But it has to be more, yes? Tell me a story and I'll bet we discover you have more in common with me, than not. and that goes for akfak0retlaw, and amyinnewyork as well. We've had our fun, now let's move on, staring in awe at the wonder.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Plenty of money and too much time your hands apparently...
Jaiide93 4 years ago
Whoopi was takeing up for Vick , are you all deaf ? Ms. Walters recieved thousands of mail over Whoopi's remarks, includeing mine.
Cannook 4 years ago
Cannook, apparently the public school system let down some of these idiots like movie boy mister mosquito *chuckle*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
You're a fucking lowlife. Stop misinterpreting people and go get a real job and get your old ass of youtube, you wrinkly fuck.
mistuhmestizo 4 years ago
I have plenty of money and don't need a job, asswipe.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Obviously a punk kid with nothing else better to do.
jorgelmartinez18 4 years ago
No, if you werent so narrow minded and make ignorant and quick assumptions, you could understand whoopi's point of view. she never condoned nor said "lets forgive vick" SHES ON A FUCKING TALK SHOW, she took a different turn for once and looked at it from a different point of view, and if you are too stupid to just wrap your stupid mind around a different concept, then i guess the public school of your jurasic time let YOU down
mistuhmestizo 4 years ago
Hey, at least I have a Bachelor's Degree. Hell you're probably not even an ADULT yet.
jorgelmartinez18 4 years ago
I think you didn't understand Whoopi...she never suggested he was excused for his behavior, just that it was WHY he acted why he did in response to the hatred towards him.
Seriously, listen next time.
MovieMann16 4 years ago
Seriously, you're just plain wrong.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
What a comeback.
The debate over nature vs. Nuture is clearly what Whoopi was getting at. Michael Vick was RAISED in an environment that condoned dog fighting. When he saw how the country reacted, he reacted in the way he did because he never faced this kind of opposition.
I mean, he's from The South...ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan? They raised individuals to think what they did was the "right" thing.
MovieMann16 4 years ago
I wish you wold get off this "blaming and excuses" kick you're trying to push because it's not working. No one is making excuses for what he did. No one is blaming anyone for what he did. Everyone knows that what he did was wrong. Whoopi never said she was "taking up" for Vick. I could make excuses for you for putting words in Whoopi's mouth too. Could it be your upbringing? Were your parents liars like you?
sameo98 4 years ago
Blame is what Vick did himself, when he pleaded guilty, idiot. Whoopi was making excuses when she tried to suggest Vick wasn't to blame, his culture was. I didn't put any words in anyone's mouth. If you can point to a "lie" I've told, I'd love to see it.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Whoopi rocks... Period. Lol, on a serious note, she tends to have a level head in the things she says and does. Only arrogance and ignorance makes people lose their temper when they hear the truth...
Jaiide93 4 years ago
The "truth?" *ROFL* Get a grip moron.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Also, look up dog-fighting in google, at the library, or anywhere and you'll figure out that she's not stereoyping anything. It's actually a part of history and culture. You may not see, but just like every other illegal/legal action, things happen behind closed doors.
sameo98 4 years ago
Of ocurse it's a part of history, but not "southern culture EXCLUSIVELY. Dogfighting is practiced around the world, and certainly cannot be blamed on Vick's "cultural" upbringing. Rather, it is a reflection of his arrogance, and his inability or unwillingness to OBEY THE LAW.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
All of you that think she's defending him, are idiots. You should check yourself and actually think about what she said. This was not about finding an excuse for his actions. It's all about finding the root of what caused the issue, correcting it, and moving forward.
sameo98 4 years ago
The "root" of what caused it, is Michael Vick's arrogance. Yes, Whoopi was defending him, just like Jamie Foxx defended him, and others. Birds of a feather and all that.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
What? Where did Michael Vick learn the sport? How was and when was the sport invented. We know he wrong and no one making excuses for him, but why (besides "his arrogance") did he continue to do it?
"Birds of a feather"? You sound like Bill O'Reilly now. Should I believe that you are racist because I feel my associate across the room from me is? Birds of a feather, right?
sameo98 4 years ago
Fools torturing dogs taught him. Its been around long before Vick, which only PROVES my point this isn't a "culture" thing, or a "race" thing, or a "geography" thing. It's about a man breaking the law and disregarding any value placed on life. Serial killers often start by torturing and killing animals, and Vick probably isn't much removed from such a mentality.
If YOU don't believe the "black community" doesn't have a pack mentality, isn't really watching modern American black culture.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Umm... No comment, dont get what ur gettin at when i completely agree.
Jaiide93 4 years ago
You have a very odd way of "agreeing" with someone. *chuckle*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Ooo chuckle... I'm frm England i don't even know anything about this. All I know is Whoopi never gets bad press and dogfighting is wrong... Well, not all I know, but about this it is. Do you HAVE a life?
Jaiide93 4 years ago
-If it's been around long before Vick, then how would that not make it a part of a culture?
-You made it a race issue when you said "birds of a feather". If not, please elaborate.
-How do you know so much about the tendencies of serial killers?
-A "pack" mentality? Please explain.
sameo98 4 years ago
It IS a part of culture, but not "southern" culture EXCLUSIVELY as Whoopi suggested. It happens all over the world not just in the south. It IS a racial issue, when ONLY other blacks are defending Vick in the media. Ever heard of Jeffrey Dahmer?? Google +"serial killers" +childhood +animals and see what you find out.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
now people are going to make up excuses for whoopi making up excuses for vic. face it, he's just another thug! If he was white he would get 10 years.
sphynx104 4 years ago
sphynx, I hear ya, thanks for the comment ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
ha. too bad vick will probably get away with this due to his status and his wealth. personally, i'd like to see his ass get thrown in the slammer; the same treatment any average person in our society would receive. at least his name has been tarnished.
n673ma 4 years ago
n673ma I don't think he's going to get away with it, though his sentencing might be lighter because of his celebrity.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
orthoinsid, come on dude-- this isn't about geography or race, it's about some loser that thinks it's fun to torture animals for his own entertainment.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
The "southern mentality" has been an embarrassment since the founding of the US, and still is today. "The Mind of the South" by Clay summarizes it well. Egoistic, militaristic, religious dogmatists,anti-intellectual, conformist, racist, facists.. etc.
orthoinsid 4 years ago
Boy, you hit my exact thought's right on the money MajorMidknight. First it was Deion Sanders, now it's Whoopi. I suppose livin' here as deep South as you can get here in Miami, the next thing I'll probably here is that people kill people here because it's a fun cultural thing. The man knew the law's, he knew what he was getting into, and he knew that there would be consequence's for his action's if he was caught. This is just proof that you don't have to be dumb to be stupid.
jorgelmartinez18 4 years ago
jorge, I didn't mean to hit your thoughts *chuckle* and thanks for the input ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Excellent argument. The word "culture" is used too often to justify crime, hatred, racism, intolerance, etc. People say we must respect anything that's inherent to one's culture. That's B.S. Dog-fighting, the Islamic fundamentalist's desire to kill innocent American civilians, the sex slave trade and fascism deserve no respect. Yet one could argue that all of these are part of one's culture. This argument needs to be thrown out with political correctness.
truthadvocate 4 years ago
Yes it should truthadvocate, thanks for the input ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
the view simply replaced one moron with another! every time a negro opens their mouth in defense of vick they are just making the negro community look dumber than ever!!! shut the hell up!
luvevil2 4 years ago
Kind of a surprising comment, considering the handle "luvevil." I would've guessed you'd be all for the evil torture of dogs. But thanks for your input, even though it was rather racially divisive.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
This dude has totally mis understood what Whoopi explained. Get a clue!
Heru38 4 years ago
Whoopi didn't "explain" anything, she simply made excuses for a "brother." I didn't misunderstand anything the silly broad said at all, she was rather clear. Go blow yourself Heru.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Way to purport the cultural stereotypes of the south yourself, redneck. :)
amynewyork4248 4 years ago
I didn't "purport" any stereotypes idiot, as a matter of fact I was debunking them. Apparently you didn't understand what was being said. You city slickers aren't too bright, are you?
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
I meant your accent. Your amentia. Your excessively tanned skin.
Idiot. :)
amynewyork4248 4 years ago
Like I said, I didn't purport anything dear. I don't have a southern accent, I'm not brain addled, and my skin isn't tanned, it is like that year round. I've only lived in the south for about 2 months. I just moved south. I've been a yankee from Nebraska my whole life.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
". I don't have a southern accent"
Hick accent, southern accent, what's the difference?
"I'm not brain addled,"
All evidence to the contrary.
"it is like that year round."
God bless.
amynewyork4248 4 years ago
Apparently you believe anyone that isn't from New York is a "hick." That's your arrogance speaking. All you've done is offer up snide innuendo and added nothing to the issue being discussed. That makes you brain addled, not me sweet cheeks.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
what are you saying? killing is killing. be kind to all creatures. peace brother.
ngothyeaun 4 years ago
No brother, killing is not killing--- you cannot equate one form of death, with another, if the circumstances are not the same. Human beings need to eat, and we need to eat animals. I don't have a problem with killing animals for the proper reasons.
Torture isn't among those reasons however, and unnecessary killing isn't either. In addition, I'm all for the death penalty.
Some creatures, need to die.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Good points thejusino and Thordim ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Let me add I do not stand up for Dog fighting/ cock fighting/ heck even Boxing ,,LOL..just adding my 2 cents ..on how someone could have that many dogs on their land .. not what they were doing with or against this animals...
thejusino 4 years ago
Dog Fighting is sprinkled all over the south..It might not be in your neighborhood ..that is why you don't notice it.. Suffolk is a town that is not the least bit urban..people keep hunting dogs ..neighbor might have thought that is what they were...
thejusino 4 years ago
The same can be said about the Northern region as well.
Thordim 4 years ago
I live about 20 miles from the Florida line....I'm about deep south as you get. I will let you know that this is not a "southern" or a "cultural thing" as Whoopi put it. Mike Vick is simply an idiot. He deserves to spend time in a "prison". We all know that's not where he'll be going. More like a "resort". Anyway, I would personally like to see him come back to the NFL and get traded to the Cleveland Browns. Their mascot, of course, is a dog. Wouldn't that be interesting?
mbiphoto 4 years ago
mbiphoto *ROFL* yes that would be VERY interesting ! ! ! !
Thanks for stopping by and ocmmenting on the video ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
AMEN, Vick is a dick D8
bunnigrl 4 years ago
You GO girl ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
You tell her jcm ! ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Amen brother lol...As a southerner i was insulted by Whoopi's comment...it was a black thing ..if he was white and dog fighting she would be one pissed moe foe ..It;s wrong no matter what , race , gender or religion you are..WRONG IS WRONG Whoopi
jcm29261 4 years ago
dog fighting is not apart of southern culture like whoopie might want you to think. i've lived in the deep south, well, forever and have yet to known anyone (or heard of anyone) to take part in dog fighting. i think if it was apart of southern culture it would be commonplace. and where the hell did that come from? michael vick was raised in newport news virginia, hardly the deep south.
jrb281 4 years ago
No, Virginia isn't the deep south, but it is part of the south, ever since the days of the Confederacy. Obviously, this type of thing occurs in the south, even if you've never heard of it, but it also occurs in many other areas. The first post to this thread indicated it even happens in Europe.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
i agree it does happens in the deep south (even though i have never seen or heard about it) but no more or no less than any other part of the country. i agree that virginia is considered in the south (obviously with their roll in the civil war) but philedelphia mississippi and newport news virginia are VERY different. but nonetheless whoopie is a dumbass. enjoyed the video.
jrb281 4 years ago
Slavery was not a cultural thing, it was an evil economic thing that had nothing to do with culture and everything to do with money. Dog fighting is a cultural thing, much like hooking a fish in the mouth with and yanking on it for minutes until pulling him out of the water than letting him go so some other bastard can do it to him again an than broadcasting that on TV as a sport. That kind of fishing has nothing to do with getting food, but it's acceptable for TV?
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
akfak, you can deny slavery was a cultural thing if you want to, that doesn't change the facts. Yes, money was a factor as well, but if it was strictly money, then the north would have had slavery as well. As far as catch and release goes, the fish aren't at all hurt by the hooks, unless of course the hooks are just ripped out.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
The north didn't use slaves because the northern economy was based on more skilled factory labor. And "the fish aren't at all hurt by the hooks" ??? I'm sure being dragged by the face for several minutes and being thrusted into an environment they can't breath in is a fishes idea of fun.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
I'm sure Deer like being shot and having to run for their life before the hunter catches them and kills them. And horse really like having a midget whip them around a track with other horse hoping they don't break a leg and have to be "put down". Koreans eat dogs! This is a cultural thing! You think dogs are mans best friend while others like watching them fight or eating them!
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
Boy, you're "sure" of a great many things aren't you akfak *chuckle* It must be wonderful to be an all knowing, all seeing deity.
Try having a few drinks, or a few bong hits, whatever suits your fancy, and calm down. Your anger and frustration have gotten the best of you.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Thank you for conceding and admitting that I'm right by offering nothing useful to the discussion and instead opting to try an insult me to somehow diminish my argument. That seems to be a popular tactic online when one can't think of anything more intelligent to say.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
What a big man, conceding for me, and pretending you are "right." *chuckle* I didn't have to diminish your silly opinions, they were diminished as soon as you put your fingers to the keypad, asswipe. Why would I offer you intelligence, when all you've done is offer up a vitriolic rant?
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
A very common problem on the right.
gmfutube 4 years ago
Perhaps a "common problem" on the right, however it is a defining characteristic of a "progressive" or "liberal" from the left.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
The point is you're either cruel to all animals or nice to all animals. You can't look down on people or arrest them and ruin their life because they hurt animals you like and than the next minute hurt another animal. It's not right and what they did to Micheal Vick was wrong.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
Apologists like you are pathetic. What a loser.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
I agreed with you right until your defense of Vick.
What the hell did anyone do to Vick? Catch him in a crime?
As someone who once had a pitt bull, this disgusts me. My dog was the most loving animal I have ever had. What these people do to any dog is sick, but what they have done to villianize the breed is disgusting.
gmfutube 4 years ago
I am a huge fan of Michael Vick, but agree that what he did is wrong. The case has nothing to do with animal rights or morality. The bottom line is he was illegally gambling. Sure, people hunt and kill, but they also don't make a fortune doing so. If the government can't get involved and tax you, please believe you're not allowed to capitalize from it.
cheddardoc 4 years ago
But I do commend him for making this an easy sentencing, being truthful and honest, and owning up to his manhood. He was apologetic and sincere. You gotta give him that much.
cheddardoc 4 years ago
And oh yeah, WTF Whoopi? Common where he is from... The South....that's crazy. I've lived in the South more than 20 years of my life and have never known dogfighting to be common here. Now maybe strip clubs, warm weather, and iced tea.....
cheddardoc 4 years ago
cheddardoc, I could be wrong but I don't think he was "truthful" at all about the gambling. He didn't admit to gambling at all, as that would probably have meant a PERMANENT ban from pro football.
Other than that, I agree with you COMPLETELY ! ! !
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Gambling is not the problem. Had he been caught Gambling at horse races he would have got a slap on the wrist and wouldn't have gone to jail. But since poor little Fido got killed everyones up in arms. You guys can't get your cute little ass sniffing dogs out of your head and see the whole fucking picture. If there were no cows and dog was our chief source of meat your Big Mac would be a Dog Mac. Not everyone thinks they're mans best friend and not everyone has to!
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
They don't slaughter "cows" for meat, asswipe, they slaughter cattle. "Cows" are for milk and breeding.
And yes, gambling was indeed a "problem" for Vick, and that is PRECISELY why his lawyer worked so vigorously to prevent Vickie boy from having to cop to that plea.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Good job trying to deflect the argument again by calling me an asswipe. Ok, so if "beef" was not available and Corporate America could make tons of money selling Fido Burgers, your dog would be in a happy meal. They're animals and they're only protected by your ridiculous sympathies as long as we can't use them for other means.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
You are an asswipe, and a dickwad, and just a plain old dumb shit. What else should I call you?? Whoopie made the same stupid argument in defense of Vicki boy, when she said we don't eat kitty kats. You can't even make your own arguments, you have to steal them, that's just how stupid you are.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
This isn't about my own argument! You're attacking Whoopie statement and I'm defending it. I agree with her statement that Dog fighting is a cultural thing and the only reason everybody is upset with it is because of the same reason we don't eat cats! Because it's not acceptable in our culture, but in other cultures it is and in a country that promotes multi-culturalism we should be quick to judge the man!
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
Shouldn't be quick to Judge the man*
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
And you're an idiot for defending the stupid broad, and uh, Whoopi isn't a man, she's ostensibly a woman, whether we are quick to judge her comments or not, you dolt.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Either you don't have anything intelligent to add or you're incapable of conducting an argument without useless name calling and nit picking. I was talking about judging the "Man" Micheal Vick. I'm defending the argument that not all animals are treated the same so who are we to judge one persons treatment of an animal over an others. If you're just going to say I'm an asswipe again than I guess this was just one big waste of time.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
My video doesn't have anything to do with Michael Vick, it's about Whoopie.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Just to clarify again, it's not an issue of morality. Sadly to say, even though many people are animal lovers, so many more don't give a damn about those dogs. Animal shelters euthanize dogs daily to reduce overpopulation. Again, Michael Vick's intent was to capitalize from illegal gambling. Horse races arent the same. Horses arent killed in the process. And as for hunting, people do that as sport, but it is not lucrative. Thats the difference.
cheddardoc 4 years ago
"but if it was strictly money, then the north would have had slavery as well"
It was money. The agricultural economy and small population of the south made slavery profitable. The manufacturing economy of the north was more profitable using immigrant labor.
gmfutube 4 years ago
Then it would have made slavery profitable in the north as well, or are you saying there was no agriculture in the north? And uh, that "immigrant labor" was often indentured SLAVES. Boy are you stupid.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Yes there was almost no agriculture in the north. "immigrant labor" were US citizen with the right to vote and weren't owned by a person. If you're trying to argue that Slavery was a cultural thing than you're completely ridiculous. There is nothing in the Southern Christian bible that says Jesus said it was ok to own another person. Dog fighting and slavery are not the same.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
No agriculture in the north ??? *ROLF* You're just to fuckin' stupid for words. Apparently you don't have any idea of what you are talking about, but I do enjoy your posts. You keep me at the top of the heap with your incessant lunacy.
By all means, continue to post your idiotic drivel and make me one of the most discussed videos again today. I'll continue to insult you and have some fun.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
"Almost no" Retard! The main source of the northern economy was not agriculture it was skilled factory labor! The South provided most of the food for the country that's why slaves were used in the south and immigrant skilled US citizens were uses in the North. The fact that the North had a better logistical system in place i.e Railroads, meant they could take better advantages of the limited agriculture they did have during the war.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
You're not even worth replying to, you're so stupid *G* So I'll just make notes on your stupidity each time you decided to say something stupid, while you continue to rack up comment after comment of lunacy, and thereby keeping me in the running for being among the most commented on videos of the day.
You're a real pal to promote my work this way, even if you are a fuckin' idiot.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Why not enlighten me if I'm so wrong? You clearly believe that you're the fore most authority of American culture prior to the civil war. What part of the North being an Industrialized society needing skilled labor and the South being a agricultural society that was capable of sustaining slavery is so stupid. And that slavery was not a social belief but a simple solution to the labor force in their economy.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
Like I said, you aren't worth the time, but thanks for continuing, yet again, to pad my comments for the day.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Outstanding! You performed exactly as I was told you would. So rarely do they come willingly anymore, but you went all out. It's getting so hard to find souls nowadays. Everyone is so enlightened. Anyway, thanks again. You've made me really happy. Don't worry, you're going to love it there.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
If it's souls you're looking for, slit your wrists, spare us all your stupidity, and enter eternity. *chuckle*
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
And Jamie Foxx may have defended him but he was also responding more to the major attention this was getting. Illegal dogfighting has been going on for ages so you KNOW Vick was not the only one behind all this. He was just the scape goat.
sameo98 4 years ago
Who said Vick was the only one doing this, and how can he be a scape goat when he himself admits he's guilty? I have said from the BEGINNING dogfighting is practiced around the world, not just in the south of the USA. Therefore it cannot be a "cutural thing" as Whoopie suggested when she made excuses for Vick's inexcusable behavior.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Akfak0retlaw, I agree with your differentiation of the northern and southern economies as they were decades ago. I didn't find one flaw in your explanation; this is historically correct. MajorMidknight, I actually respected you up until this point. Instead of disputing Ak (if you thought otherwise) you descended to insults with no defense.
cheddardoc 4 years ago
No defense ??? *chuckle* It isn't my job to shove American History down your throats, and it isn't my problem or my fault you don't know American Historty.
answerDOTcom/topic/agriculture
Here are just a few quotes....
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
"farming endeavors in the United States were divided according to two types of agricultural system: small-scale farming in the North and the plantation in the South." This is from your link. I said that the north had almost no farming, which wasn't entirely true, but because of the type of farming slaves would not work in the northern system. This means that your arguement against Whoopie that slavery was also cultural is wrong.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
It means nothing of the sort, asswipe-- and just because it was small scale farming, doesn't mean there weren't THOUSANDS of small scale farms, producing ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED THEIR OWN ARMY IN THE NORTH.
Idiot.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
What does that have to do with your arguement that slavery was cultural? There is no doubt they had enough to feed their army. They didn't use slaves because they had some kind of cultural objections. They didn't use slave because these small scaled farms relied more on technology than large labor forces. So your arguement against Whoopie, that slavery was cultural as a way to attack her arguement that dog fighting is cultural, is wrong.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
It has nothing to do with slavery being cultural. You're the moron that presented the ludicrous idea there was "almost no agriculture in the north."
I'm the guy that set you straight. YOU wanted to pretend the north didn't need slaves because they were industrialized, and couldn't feed themselves anymore, so they were forced to trade with the south.
It was a stupid thing for you to say, and I merely pointed that out.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Now that I've proven there was indeed a LARGE amount of agricultural activity in the north, you once again play your little game and suggest agriculture doesn't mean anything, and has nothing to do with Whoopie or Vick. Who said it did ?
YOU.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
Slavery was indeed a "cultural thing," endemic to the south. Whereas the north had a diversified agricultural economy, the south was a one trick pony, with cotton, and a distant tobacco as the main product of plantations.
Culture, was at the root of slavery as the southern way of life.
MajorMidknight 4 years ago
This idea that slave weren't used in the north because slavery was something only in southern culture is wrong. I already conceded the that the north had a large agriculture system, but it was the type of agriculture and industrialization relying on technology that was why slaves weren't used in the north. It was not the policy of the US to educated slaves, which makes them useless in a modernized labor force.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago
Slavery is an economic system, and nothing in the Southern Christian culture said it was ok to own another human being.
akfak0retlaw 4 years ago