UFO - Billy Meier - 1981 April 3 - Extraterrestrial Beamships - Bachtel, Switzerland

[alexvidmaster]

i give humble advise to all of you here, disregard the evidence, disregard everything and every picture and every video, but take a second to review and read the message he brings... sooner than later we will all turn to the skies and for those of us who still alive, will have the experience to see them.... eventually... the vital importance is the message he brings with him... choose to believe in what you desire to, but listen and read open with no preset minds, be logic.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@alexvidmaster 3. The problem here is the evidence. Too many holes to go into. Let me ask the Meier follower this: do you believe in what he says because you "want to believe?" This is a significant question & should always be answered honestly, for to not do so is to be dishonest with oneself & to an extent, live in falsehood. A very simple basic question with regard to the importance of epistemology. There was a time when people believed the sun revolved around the earth.

[Beamshipcaptain]

No evidence of fraud or confederates has ever been found. The cse however, and examination of the evidence has taught science a great deal, about optics, chemistry, materials-science, and electromagnetic-propulsion. Which has been applied to Earth technology for the past half-century.

[vinnynumbnuts]

"This case has taught SCIENCE a great deal about optics, chemistry, materials-science, and electromagnetic-propulsion," you say? Well then, if so, then obviously Meier's filmed beamships must be taught in universities all over the land, no? If not, then why not?

[Beamshipcaptain]

Electrogravitics is NOT taught in our instittions of learning, or any field effect propulsion. Except in China and Japan.

[vinnynumbnuts]

In my readings, I have seen that electrogravitics is somewhat controversial; not having any mention of Billy Meier in with it. There are enough bickering articles out there to make it somehow not too much of an established science, so far. But you know, one hallmark of science is "serendipity." Science does not always quite know what it is going to bump into and acquire as knowledge. The stories in the history of science bear this out. So I encourage the further study of electrogravitics.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Parenthetically, why do you have ZERO subscribers and ZERO frinds on your channel, vinny? How old are you? I have been reading and studying the Meier case for nearly 28 years now. And I have learned a lot, and put that knowledge to good use.

[vinnynumbnuts]

I am quite content being alone. Old enough to have slept longer than a lot of youtubers have lived. Sorry, but I question what you think you have learned. You put it to good use, you say? Ok, tell me how.

[Beamshipcaptain]

I learned a little bit more about who we are, where we came from, why there are humans living on Earth, that our biggest problem is overpopulation, and spiritual ignorance caused by Earth's religions, which are all bogus. And that travel between the stars is possible in reasonable time ane economy, that energy is tappable from vacuum, that governments all know about all the various extraterrestrials, but go to great lengths to deny, and that reincarnation is a reality.

[vinnynumbnuts]

Well, you claim to have the answers the great philosophers have been wrestling with throughout the ages. You make a lot of heavy statements, such as all of the world's religions are bogus. (A statement is not an argument.) I'm not a believer in any kind of religion, but I would be hard pressed to make a statement like that. And certainly there must be some sincere sense of spiritualism innate in all or most religions, despite the problems that come with the politics of organized religion.

[Beamshipcaptain]

All religious beliefs are destructive, false, dangerous, and enervate the human spirit, instead of uplifting it, and the Christian religion is the most destructive of all. Historically. Both on and off this planet, the Christian faith has caused wars and untold suffering..

[vinnynumbnuts]

War has also been caused because of political differences and plain old greed. Actually, religion has also been the cause of much good--eg., the Salvation Army's dedication to the poor and homeless among us...and, say, Mother Tersa. You really gonna piss on the life and achievements of Mother Tersa? And really, what about your so-called golden prophet, Billy? The last time I was on his FIGU site, he and Ptaah were asking me for money. Come on, tell me about Billy's philanthrophic achievements.

[vinnynumbnuts]

And doesn't Billy stock pile weapons? (Aren't the Pleiadians for peace in a peaceful way?) Yes, he does, and don't you tell me otherwise. Smacks of some kind of cult. Of course, Billy will tell us it's because of the MIB. Hell, he says his most damaging opponent, Kal Korff, is the enemy--an MIB. Ha, maybe I'm one, now! I also saw on a video by Horn that Billy was involved in hitman activity--killing serial killers. Which is worse--MIB or serial killers? You tell me. Gandhi never packed heat. lol

[Beamshipcaptain]

No, Billy does'nt stock weapons. No need. But since he has endured 21-assasination attempts, usually hidden snipers, one in the presence of Wendelle-stevens as they both were sitting outside his house, Billy began to pack heat. Seems Billy has more to fear from som of his Earth Brothers that the people from Erra.

[vinnynumbnuts]

Hello.

[vinnynumbnuts]

Prove the MIB to me. I mean it. Can you? Billy has used circular reasoning with them in his defence of the Asket and Nera photo joke. Ha, you first said he doesn't collect weaponry, then you say he packs heat because of his weak claim that the MIB ae trying to kill him. One testimony won't do it. Give me the goods, ie., police reports, ballistics, news reports from prominent papers and magazines... HELLO? DO YOU HEAR ME? If you can do it, I promise you, it will be big news.

[vinnynumbnuts]

This is your chance. No joke.

[vinnynumbnuts]

I know what true snipers are capable of. You said Billy's 21 failed assassination attempts were "usually" attempts by hidden snipers. Ha, man, I find that to be so improbable! You sure they were trained snipers?...or were they just 8 yr old boys running around on his property with squirt guns? Anyway, please give me the proper documentation to back up this claim of 21 assassination attempts. Has to be good.

The bottom line is anecdotal information flying around here--not factual information.

[Beamshipcaptain]

The Plejarans have an 800 to 1000-Earth Year lifespan. THey know more about us than even we do. Their science is 350-600-years ahead of ours. They are born into a telepathic-society, aware of all past lives, and their mission in the present incarnation. Evolution is merely increased awareness. We are genus and species: homo sapiens, they are homo super; the next step that we are headed for, here on Earth. If we don't destroy ourselves and our planet first.

[alexvidmaster]

@vinnynumbnuts vinny, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE AND SHALL BE DENIED TO NO ONE. it is entirely up to you... the reccomendations and laws of the true living, abide you from forcing anyone to believe. The religion exist, of course as such... effective mechanisms to ensalve your spiritual, and material life.

There are nothing bud tin gods, that no one has a proof of; yet THE TRUTH is shown to us and we refuse to accept it is not about beamships, is about the truth they bring thru Billy.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@alexvidmaster 1. Actually, all of the little hunters of the truth in this world ARE the truth. The problem really comes down to epistemology. Metaphysics asks, what is it? Epistemology asks, how do I know it? And Ethics asks, now what do I do about it? Politics, etc. How-do-I know-it has varying methods. You have intuition, emotions, perceived revelation, the senses and logic, science--all separate or maybe combined. Now let me tell you, epistemology has had bloody disastrous times in our...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@alexvidmaster 2. ...history--pograms, witch hunts, world wars...even Jim Jones. All the aforementioned have had their own brand of epistemology and therefore ethics in response to a newfound acquistion of The Truth. And mind you, they usually consider themselves to be agents of the good, even when their cause goes so far as slaying fellow human beings. Now i'm not saying Meier will necessarily cause a Jim Jones senario, but I am asking, is his and his followers' epistemology correct?

[Beamshipcaptain]

After 34 years, no confederate has EVER been found, none have come forward. There HAVE howevr been independent witnesses, who have gathered their own photographic and video evidence taken in day and nighttime, in Swiss-airspace. Billy has endured 21 assasination attempts, usually hidden snipers, so he carries a gun at all times.

[vinnynumbnuts]

A. No confederate never came forward, you say, so this is evidence that Meier worked alone. Well, I gave you rock hard evidence that someone else was operating his camera while he dilly daddled in the scene. Your explanation is unprovable. Look, you can't use the reality you're trying to prove as part of the evidence for it. Circular reasoning, son. And no one coming forward could also prove he's got some reliable friends, no? This is not impossible. And corroborating evidence for his...

[vinnynumbnuts]

evidence could be hoaxes themselves, as well.

Please give me the actual police reports, ballistics reports, actual newspaper reports, etc. of the so-called 21 assassination attempts on Meier's life. Hell, any one of the good ol' boys, who are hunters, down at the local Legion Club here, could easily take fat old Billy out if they wanted to. Funny stuff.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Yes, this video clearly shows a hovering object, that is a distance from the camera, and as large as a manned vehicle. A ship on loan to the Plejarans from the people called the TIMMERS, who live in the DAL universe, another universe which borders ours. One of countless many.

[vinnynumbnuts]

Should've been shot on April 1st, no? Looks like it's attached to the tree, possibly by a horizontal steel rod to bring it out at a distance; but the more I look at it, it seems more likely that it's suspended by a helium balloon above the top of the frame, with extra fishing line attatching it to the ground & perhaps tree for stability. There is no wind, which helps the model to be still, but maybe a little because at one point during the close up, it moved a teeny bit. Remember Occam's razor.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Ask any botanist; the tree is a mature adult Wettertane (Weather pine), and the ship is 7-meters in diameter. Plus, Billy has one arm, rides a moped everywhere. Ther was no "helium Baloon". This is a real spacecraft from another universe, a compact starship, using technology that we Earthers have had fringe-access to for 80-years. Beamships are unaffected by wind, and the "wedding cake" experimental ship aways featured a rock-steady-hover.

[vinnynumbnuts]

1. Ah, Beamshipcaptain, how are you? Ha, ha, out beyond the confines of our disagreement here--good I hope! A little joke, son. Anyway, please give me the actual tree experts who have examined and given Meier's tree their stamp of approval as being a large adult tree. I have read that one professor botanist was angry at Horn for falsely using his name. But look, I have seen Mr. Meier in one of his films, crouched down in the foreground and giving directions to the camera, which suddenly zoomed..

[vinnynumbnuts]

2. ...in and up, finding the beamship in the sky. My goodness, I must say that I never knew of an 8mm camera back in the 70's that could do its filming on its own while the camera man was away in the picture dilly daddling and apparently telling his camera what to do. Lol. So indeed, Meier was NOT alone with the making of one of his films...and therefore, this sheds doubt on his being alone in all of the other films shot. So your contention that Billy had one arm, was alone and therefore...

[Beamshipcaptain]

This segment was not filmed on 8mm, this was filmed in 1981 on VIDEOTAPE. It appears you know NOTHING about this case, but make uninformed comments on it anyway. Which is illogical, on your part. THis is one of many cases bursting withwith hard evidence, that has been extensively tested in the laboratory over the last 30-years. Models were even made by a hollywood studio to determine if the shots and footage could be made with models. They could not.All skeptics have conceded the case is real.

[vinnynumbnuts]

1. Did I say this particular film was shot on 8mm? So hold your wad there, buddy. The film I referred to as 8mm, was an earlier one shot with Meier appearing in the foreground, giving directions to the camera, which reacted by zooming in and up to capture the object. Obviously someone was operationg the camera. I know Meier used other kinds of camera, but he mainly used the super 8 back in the day. Check it out, Mr. Know-it-all. But my chief point was that he wasn't working alone, which sheds...

[Beamshipcaptain]

Oh yes, I know the clip, I have all the video, I got it back in the 1980s. On that one, Semjase was operating the zoom by remote-control onboard her ship. Two experiments were thus conducted: the successful remote-control of simple technology, and getting billy and the Beamship in the same frame. Yes that particular footage and a lot of other was shot on super-8mm, which is defunct as a medium of recording.

[vinnynumbnuts]

Ha, of course you know the film of Billy not working alone! Yeah, wake up & pay attention to me, son! And your story about a Pleiadian operating the camera was a joke of mine before ever hearing this as an explanation by a Meierian like you. Ha! I mean you Meierians are not hard to predict. It simple goes with the kind of paranoic mind that invents reality to bale its butt out of a sticky situation--like the time Billy got caught with fake pics of Pleiadians. He claimed the MIB did it! Too much

[vinnynumbnuts]

2. ...a negative light on all of the other films he shot. Give me the experts' names with their credentials and testimony that can be checked out and verified by me or anyone else. I have seen expert evidence as proof of a model, such as the beamship Meier claimed to be behind the car, but was, in fact, proven to be in front of the car, showing it to be a model, ie., a hoax.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Digitising of photos(Microdensitometer,Perki­n-Elmer Drum Scanner), Optronics, vidicon:digital,Ampex,Jim Dilettoso, Computer, Mag.tape translation of digitised images----Rob Kingston, Software for image-processing, Ken Dinwiddie,Mgr., Histogram,spatial-filtrs edge-enhancement

[vinnynumbnuts]

Ok, thank you. I'll try to look into them. But remember, little children have glued together model UFO's and fooled a for-true expert in the lab who did the sort of analytical things your boys did. And as well, for it to be true science, you need it to be, of course, public and repeatable so that all experts can have a go at it. Peer review is also important. Google "the billy meier case: more conclusive 'smoking gun' proof of deception," and you will see expert analysis that goes against Meier.

[Beamshipcaptain]

That is NOT credible, as depth analysis for shaded-contoured pixels is impossible to fool. Shots were tried with models specially fabricated by a top hollywooed studio, and also filmed by Meier and the team from GENESIS III. The computer picked out both the models and suspension-lines everytime!

[vinnynumbnuts]

Nothin' on the 21 failed assassination attempts, yet? You know: police reports ballistics, news reports. Oh well.

Hey if the camera doesn't see the string, then the expert's sophisticated computer in the lab isn't going to pick it up. Like I told you, Shermer has shown that the expert in the lab can be fooled.

Ha, I mean come on, a technical guy like you actually bought into Meier's story that A Pleiadian was operating his 8mm camera while on board of her beamship?!! You really think that?

[vinnynumbnuts]

3. ...could not have faked his beamships on film--is most dubious. It is arguable that the man had a confederate or more working with him in making of this film.

Curious. What do you think of his dinosaur pictures he claimed he took while travelling with the Pleiadians back in prehistory?

[cicodelico]

a real classic,unbelievable shots...

thanks for upload