Arguably the Cammer was/is the most unique and Bad Ass American engine ever built! It's funny that chysler/dodge fans think their beloved V8 hemi was the first ever built! LMAO.. When true fact is, the first American V8 Hemi ever built was the Ford Flathead Ardun Hemi (1947) LOL.. chysler never even had a V8 until 1951. And the first chysler (firepower) hemi (1951) resembles that of the Ford Hemi (1947)... But whats new! Many American Auto Manu., followed the lead of FORD at the time.
It is true the 427 Wedge engines beat the Hemis in NASCAR racing...even when the Superbirds and winged Daytona chargers came out....Ford still won the championship. With the Wedge. Dominating a racing genre will get your next development outlawed, and the SOHC got outlawed.
Now you can get reproduction blocks, heads, the whole deal. A cammer on every block.
@oldmusher Between 64 -71 Chrysler Hemi powered cars won 4 Nascar Championships(66,67,70 &71),and they were banned in 65...so Ford only won 3 against the Hemi...they had their moments,but they didn,t dominate....nice try
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI Well, we'll never know if the Boss 429 cars would have taken out the Superbirds. NASCAR b banned their use in Daytona, However, they were substantially (in race form) more powerful than the Chrysler Hemis, so the minor difference in streamlining would not have helped. The Cammer and the Boss blew them off the drag strip in top fuel, funny and AA/GS. Just ask Don Prudhomme, Mickey Thompson, George Montgomery and Pete Robinson.
@oldmusher you are right. i know the history and extreme amounts of success the boss429 and 427 cammers had with racing even in just N/A form those 2 engines were just way too much for the hemi. given in weight comparible class as factory backed, now when it comes to the private owner/recreational drivers it was just a matter of how they built their cars. your also forgetting jack roush, dyno don nicholson.
@oldmusher but i also must say this, just because im a ford guy i wont talk shit about the hemi engine as for it is truely a remarkable engine put out by dodge, i cant say the same for GM or GM backed performance after 1963 in which they lacked severly!!! nascar did ban the boss429 in certain circuits but with the hemi winged cars and the boss429 came the demise of big block racer cars for nascar, in came smallblocks, but the 351cleveland was tearin it up in nascar and pro stock.
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI I agree that the various Hemis are great motors. I'd have one! I did have a '62 plymouth Savoy with a 413 420 horse wedge, and it was a beast. I am pretty happy with all American made V-8's, and I've owned several brands. I am a Ford guy, too, but the only real gripe I have is Chevy engines in fords. PS: if you have a 62 galaxie with a 514, I'd be pleased to have a ride in it.
@oldmusher you and me both, i dont where people go off and say it cost more money to build a ford motor then a chevy motor! honesly it doesnt. but yeah my galaxie has a 514 efi setup TFS 290 power heads .488lift cam .114cl i built the car to be very street reliable. i dont race the car at all. it runs very good on the street no problems and idles good. i also have a 69 mustang FB where im putting a 5.0 2v big bore in it
@oldmusher: How can you forget Dyno Don, Hubert Platt, Jack Christman, Gas Ronda. Even Connie ran one. : ) And Glidden ran the Boss 9 for years.. But it is sad that FAKECAR (AKA) nascar, backed down to chysler/dodge and even GM. They have for years and still do today. I'm a believer in RUN what you BRUNG.
@Modified67 i heard that before, but you also have to remember the 427Cammer was a hemi engine itself, of course the over head cams gave the engine an serious advantage due to less valvetrain rotating mass therefore higher rpm's are certain compared to a pushrod motor. OHC engines dont have thermal expansion transmitting from cam lifters to the rockerarm. this is a more affective and reliable design than the pushrod counterpart. you can also have an unlimited cam lift unlike the pushrod motor.
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI Agreed. This is why it was dubbed the "hemi killer". Mopar couldn't hope to compete with it. That's why the SOHC 427 was banned from competition in NASCAR.
@Modified67 dodge did cry there hearts out, so ford moved the cammers to certain classes and were sold as dealer performance parts, believe it or not quite a few cammers were sold back then to private owners too.
@Modified67 your totely living in dream land this motor never came close to the real hemi ford constantly changed their minds with this motor and tried to copy the 392 hemi
@snakeoil24: FORD tried to COPY the HEMI?? You mean like Chysler copying the The First ORIGINAL V8 FORD HEMI, which was the Ford Flathead Ardun Hemi built in 1947? Chrysler didn't have thier first V8 Hemi until 1951.
The Cammer was not a copy of anything Chysler had at the time. And the Cammer produced far more power than the hemi at the time also. Go read the stats.. LOL.. Should be noted too, Ford designed and built the first 427 Cammer in a mere 3 months.
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI how do you have an unlimited cam lift? be real. You were doing good till you got to that line. The Chrysler hemi did have issues with over striking the center of valve stem but with skimming this was managed.
@snakeoil24 when i mean unlimited yes in reality there are cams for the 427 cammer that can use a higher lift than a pushrod motor due to block clearences and crank/piston windage, on a cammer there is no clearence issues, only the head itself is an issue but the lobe clearence is still away from the head. on a techincality the 427 cammer was THE baddest engine ever made in the 60s. hands down, nascar knew this and so did nhra, thats why ford sold these engines to private owners and.......
@snakeoil24 to a handful of racers like gassers and funny car teams FACTORY BACKED but never offered to the public in a stock production car, thats why nascar banned it. but even 427 hi riser, tunnelport, med riser's and boss 429s were faster then hemi cars, even 1968 428CJs dominated the 68 winter nats.
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI: Well not exactly true. Ford met homologations rules for Nascar at the time, which was to sell the Cammer to the public. Nascar mainly banned it due to the PUSSY'S at Chysler protesting the Cammer. Funny though, because for years earlier chryslers hemi didn't come in production cars either.It had to be special ordered. I have NO RESPECT for Chrysler,now mainly owned by FIAT, LOL.Goes around comes around.The Cammer would have blasted the hemi in Nascar.
@JDjames70 the cammer was never put put in a production car. it was sold over the dealer counter. ford is know for changing engines around alot even when they have somehing good and or sucessful. high-riser 427 tunnel-port 427 and med-riser 427s were stomping hemis all over the place. even 428s
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI: True, never said Ford did put them in production cars. BUT? Ford did meet the (very vague) homologation rules of Nascar at the time, which was to make the Cammer available to the public and they did. Should be noted also, that the 426 hemi wasn't installed in production cars until '65 and it wasn't available to the public at that time either. Nascar rules were very vague back then and changing every year.
They should have just let the factories "run what they brung".
@JDjames70 im not real big on nascar as i am on drag racing and road course racing but i do believe the dodge hemi was avalable in production cars when the cammer came out! the problem with the cammer was that it was never put in a production car,yes it was available to the generral public but only in a (over the counter part) at dealerships. "run what they brung" i cant really agree with that one. i mean after all isnt nascar (stock car) racing? so the cammer was phased out for nascar
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI: I'm more into drag racing myself. But NO, the 426 Hemi was not available in production cars, nor was it sold to the public until '65 and that was a stock version,not a Racing Version. The Cammer was bascially an FE 427 side oiler with completely different heads, which is where most of it's power came from. The Cammer was built for Nascar and (IMO) should have been allowed to run. And if you ask me? There is nothing STOCK about a stock car in Nascar.lol. Not even back then.
The information that I received was from the various auto magazines that I read. If what you say is true, then I stand corrected. The great thing about the SOHC was that it was more efficient because it had less parts and more power.
My, that engine runs smooth. It was such a shame that they stopped making that engine so soon. It was beating everything at NASCAR until Chrysler had a fit about it.
@drafthorselover Where do you get your info from mate?.....the Cammer never raced in Nascar....get your facts straight before you open your mouth....ford complained about the Chrysler Hemi in 65 so Nascar banned both engines....
@68bobba and to add to what you're saying....which is quite factual....all the chrysler drivers left nascar in 65 to race in either usac or drag race. richard petty even drag raced that season to protest nascar's ban of exotic engines, especially the hemi. he raced a barracuda fastback with a hemi in it called 43 JR. look it up.
@zapcigar A Q code is way more special than a R code. R codes are a dime a dozen. Plus they are cloned more often. Just take a P code and manipulate it to look like an R. But Q codes are rarer and no one clones them, but that's just my opinion.
I want one, not for my Mustang but for my livingroom ;)
sweddehli 1 day ago
I still like the Cammer even thow its not a Chrysler hemi. Also the hemi was first used in Sherman tanks ford did have a version in 1941 not 1947
snakeoil24 1 week ago
Arguably the Cammer was/is the most unique and Bad Ass American engine ever built! It's funny that chysler/dodge fans think their beloved V8 hemi was the first ever built! LMAO.. When true fact is, the first American V8 Hemi ever built was the Ford Flathead Ardun Hemi (1947) LOL.. chysler never even had a V8 until 1951. And the first chysler (firepower) hemi (1951) resembles that of the Ford Hemi (1947)... But whats new! Many American Auto Manu., followed the lead of FORD at the time.
JDjames70 1 week ago
too bad ford didnt install them in anything.youd sure the hell wouldnt hear near as much about the hemi if they did.
74rockon 2 weeks ago
do you guys realize that ford never installed any of these motors in production cars?
midatlanticcycle 1 month ago
it may not be a Chrysler hemi but it still looks good
snakeoil24 1 month ago
It is true the 427 Wedge engines beat the Hemis in NASCAR racing...even when the Superbirds and winged Daytona chargers came out....Ford still won the championship. With the Wedge. Dominating a racing genre will get your next development outlawed, and the SOHC got outlawed.
Now you can get reproduction blocks, heads, the whole deal. A cammer on every block.
oldmusher 2 months ago
@oldmusher Between 64 -71 Chrysler Hemi powered cars won 4 Nascar Championships(66,67,70 &71),and they were banned in 65...so Ford only won 3 against the Hemi...they had their moments,but they didn,t dominate....nice try
68bobba1 2 months ago
@oldmusher true but not the winged cars. to aerodynamic for the boss 429 talladega's
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 month ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI Well, we'll never know if the Boss 429 cars would have taken out the Superbirds. NASCAR b banned their use in Daytona, However, they were substantially (in race form) more powerful than the Chrysler Hemis, so the minor difference in streamlining would not have helped. The Cammer and the Boss blew them off the drag strip in top fuel, funny and AA/GS. Just ask Don Prudhomme, Mickey Thompson, George Montgomery and Pete Robinson.
oldmusher 1 month ago
@oldmusher you are right. i know the history and extreme amounts of success the boss429 and 427 cammers had with racing even in just N/A form those 2 engines were just way too much for the hemi. given in weight comparible class as factory backed, now when it comes to the private owner/recreational drivers it was just a matter of how they built their cars. your also forgetting jack roush, dyno don nicholson.
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 month ago
@oldmusher but i also must say this, just because im a ford guy i wont talk shit about the hemi engine as for it is truely a remarkable engine put out by dodge, i cant say the same for GM or GM backed performance after 1963 in which they lacked severly!!! nascar did ban the boss429 in certain circuits but with the hemi winged cars and the boss429 came the demise of big block racer cars for nascar, in came smallblocks, but the 351cleveland was tearin it up in nascar and pro stock.
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 month ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI I agree that the various Hemis are great motors. I'd have one! I did have a '62 plymouth Savoy with a 413 420 horse wedge, and it was a beast. I am pretty happy with all American made V-8's, and I've owned several brands. I am a Ford guy, too, but the only real gripe I have is Chevy engines in fords. PS: if you have a 62 galaxie with a 514, I'd be pleased to have a ride in it.
oldmusher 1 month ago
@oldmusher you and me both, i dont where people go off and say it cost more money to build a ford motor then a chevy motor! honesly it doesnt. but yeah my galaxie has a 514 efi setup TFS 290 power heads .488lift cam .114cl i built the car to be very street reliable. i dont race the car at all. it runs very good on the street no problems and idles good. i also have a 69 mustang FB where im putting a 5.0 2v big bore in it
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 month ago
@oldmusher: How can you forget Dyno Don, Hubert Platt, Jack Christman, Gas Ronda. Even Connie ran one. : ) And Glidden ran the Boss 9 for years.. But it is sad that FAKECAR (AKA) nascar, backed down to chysler/dodge and even GM. They have for years and still do today. I'm a believer in RUN what you BRUNG.
JDjames70 1 week ago
Niiiiice hemi killer.
Modified67 3 months ago
@Modified67 dude even the 427 hi-risers were hemi killers
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 2 months ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI True, but the 427 SOHC was dubbed "the hemi killer".
Modified67 2 months ago
@Modified67 i heard that before, but you also have to remember the 427Cammer was a hemi engine itself, of course the over head cams gave the engine an serious advantage due to less valvetrain rotating mass therefore higher rpm's are certain compared to a pushrod motor. OHC engines dont have thermal expansion transmitting from cam lifters to the rockerarm. this is a more affective and reliable design than the pushrod counterpart. you can also have an unlimited cam lift unlike the pushrod motor.
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 2 months ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI Agreed. This is why it was dubbed the "hemi killer". Mopar couldn't hope to compete with it. That's why the SOHC 427 was banned from competition in NASCAR.
Modified67 2 months ago
@Modified67 dodge did cry there hearts out, so ford moved the cammers to certain classes and were sold as dealer performance parts, believe it or not quite a few cammers were sold back then to private owners too.
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 2 months ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI Yeah, I've actually had the good fortune to see one in person. :)
Modified67 2 months ago
@Modified67 your totely living in dream land this motor never came close to the real hemi ford constantly changed their minds with this motor and tried to copy the 392 hemi
snakeoil24 1 month ago
@snakeoil24: FORD tried to COPY the HEMI?? You mean like Chysler copying the The First ORIGINAL V8 FORD HEMI, which was the Ford Flathead Ardun Hemi built in 1947? Chrysler didn't have thier first V8 Hemi until 1951.
The Cammer was not a copy of anything Chysler had at the time. And the Cammer produced far more power than the hemi at the time also. Go read the stats.. LOL.. Should be noted too, Ford designed and built the first 427 Cammer in a mere 3 months.
JDjames70 1 week ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI how do you have an unlimited cam lift? be real. You were doing good till you got to that line. The Chrysler hemi did have issues with over striking the center of valve stem but with skimming this was managed.
snakeoil24 1 month ago
@snakeoil24 when i mean unlimited yes in reality there are cams for the 427 cammer that can use a higher lift than a pushrod motor due to block clearences and crank/piston windage, on a cammer there is no clearence issues, only the head itself is an issue but the lobe clearence is still away from the head. on a techincality the 427 cammer was THE baddest engine ever made in the 60s. hands down, nascar knew this and so did nhra, thats why ford sold these engines to private owners and.......
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 month ago
@snakeoil24 to a handful of racers like gassers and funny car teams FACTORY BACKED but never offered to the public in a stock production car, thats why nascar banned it. but even 427 hi riser, tunnelport, med riser's and boss 429s were faster then hemi cars, even 1968 428CJs dominated the 68 winter nats.
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 month ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI: Well not exactly true. Ford met homologations rules for Nascar at the time, which was to sell the Cammer to the public. Nascar mainly banned it due to the PUSSY'S at Chysler protesting the Cammer. Funny though, because for years earlier chryslers hemi didn't come in production cars either.It had to be special ordered. I have NO RESPECT for Chrysler,now mainly owned by FIAT, LOL.Goes around comes around.The Cammer would have blasted the hemi in Nascar.
JDjames70 1 week ago
@JDjames70 the cammer was never put put in a production car. it was sold over the dealer counter. ford is know for changing engines around alot even when they have somehing good and or sucessful. high-riser 427 tunnel-port 427 and med-riser 427s were stomping hemis all over the place. even 428s
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 week ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI: True, never said Ford did put them in production cars. BUT? Ford did meet the (very vague) homologation rules of Nascar at the time, which was to make the Cammer available to the public and they did. Should be noted also, that the 426 hemi wasn't installed in production cars until '65 and it wasn't available to the public at that time either. Nascar rules were very vague back then and changing every year.
They should have just let the factories "run what they brung".
JDjames70 1 week ago
@JDjames70 im not real big on nascar as i am on drag racing and road course racing but i do believe the dodge hemi was avalable in production cars when the cammer came out! the problem with the cammer was that it was never put in a production car,yes it was available to the generral public but only in a (over the counter part) at dealerships. "run what they brung" i cant really agree with that one. i mean after all isnt nascar (stock car) racing? so the cammer was phased out for nascar
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 1 week ago
@1962Galaxie514ciMPFI: I'm more into drag racing myself. But NO, the 426 Hemi was not available in production cars, nor was it sold to the public until '65 and that was a stock version,not a Racing Version. The Cammer was bascially an FE 427 side oiler with completely different heads, which is where most of it's power came from. The Cammer was built for Nascar and (IMO) should have been allowed to run. And if you ask me? There is nothing STOCK about a stock car in Nascar.lol. Not even back then.
JDjames70 1 week ago
where in the world can you still find parts for one of these motors?! (ie heads, cams, timing chain, headers, intake, etc)???
chris71mach1 9 months ago
The information that I received was from the various auto magazines that I read. If what you say is true, then I stand corrected. The great thing about the SOHC was that it was more efficient because it had less parts and more power.
drafthorselover 9 months ago
I saw that external fuel filter. I bought one just like it recently. Seems these aftermarket carbs really benefit from them.
YouGotsTheRabies 11 months ago
My, that engine runs smooth. It was such a shame that they stopped making that engine so soon. It was beating everything at NASCAR until Chrysler had a fit about it.
drafthorselover 11 months ago
@drafthorselover Where do you get your info from mate?.....the Cammer never raced in Nascar....get your facts straight before you open your mouth....ford complained about the Chrysler Hemi in 65 so Nascar banned both engines....
68bobba 10 months ago
@68bobba and to add to what you're saying....which is quite factual....all the chrysler drivers left nascar in 65 to race in either usac or drag race. richard petty even drag raced that season to protest nascar's ban of exotic engines, especially the hemi. he raced a barracuda fastback with a hemi in it called 43 JR. look it up.
midatlanticcycle 8 months ago
thats a beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
svo65 1 year ago
Put that cammer in a 34 Ford coupe, and you will live forever!!!
voodoostroker 1 year ago
@voodoostroker Nice Idea 34 Ford with SOHC. It will give you Super Powers, Really!
Sir David
sixtiesforever1966 11 months ago
And if you put a 460 crank in it you have a 496...or is it a 512...I can never remember ;)
jacktheripped 1 year ago
Mother of god, that is beautiful!
91slownotch 1 year ago
I would drop it in a 64 galaxie with a 4 speed like the old cars that got kicked out of nascar. That'd be one bad SOB.
AJahtp 1 year ago
The cammer has to be the best looking
V-8 ever built. The valvecovers alone do it for me.
greenfruitface 1 year ago
those valve covers look huge. wonder how it would perform with fuel injection. and twin turbo chargers.
bobfe360 2 years ago
@bobfe360
it'll probably give around like 1000 - 1300 horsepower easy
wilbertm94 1 year ago
What is it going into???
SOHCman 2 years ago
Im looking at a AC cobra!
airtoolmac 2 years ago
Is this engine available - duplicate for use in a 63 1/2 500XL Q code (wish to convert drivetrain to R code configuration) - please advise
zapcigar 1 year ago
@zapcigar Yes it could be for sell but not giving it away!!!!
airtoolmac 1 year ago
@zapcigar A Q code is way more special than a R code. R codes are a dime a dozen. Plus they are cloned more often. Just take a P code and manipulate it to look like an R. But Q codes are rarer and no one clones them, but that's just my opinion.
bash5995 4 months ago