FUCK YOU SEPARATISITS. VOUS NE SAVEZ RIEN DU CANADA ET COMME LE QUEBEC PAUVRE SANS LE RESTE DU PAYE. DECOLIS DU PAYE ET VOUS ALLEZ SUFFRE ET MOIS JE VAIS RIRE HAHAHAHA ..l..
@ripODBible Ma langue maternelle et l'Anglais puis l'Italien, mais je deteste les regle contre les Anglais au Quebec. Mon ecriture et pauvre mes je suis capable de parle le Francais tres bein. Par tout au Canada on trouve pas de lois contre la langue Anglais ni Francais, mes ici au Quebec il cherche la drame. Les separatist veul ce separae sans paye leur affaire. Il parle d'un Quebec libre, mais c'est libre suelment pour eu.
N'avez-vous jamais tenté de comprendre pourquoi ces lois linguistiques existent et pourquoi elles ne sont pas nécessaires dans le reste du pays? Non, bien évidemment.
"Les separatist veul ce separae sans paye leur affaire"
@Vineon took you long enough to reply, they don't exist in other countries because they don't feel that limiting it's people to one language is an issue. And sepratists don't want to pay any national debt and want to create their own currency so they can live off of Canada's hard work. Ok pal listen, you obviously don't know how to argue a point, you make little to no attempt to sound intelligent and you are French pig, I hope you can understand this. Or do you only speak one language?
Language legislation exist in most of not ALL countries and that includes the rest of Canada. For instance, you cannot become a Canadian citizen without a working knowledge of either one of the official languages.
If Québec is limiting its people to one language, you'd then have to wonder why in hell it is the north american state with the most bilingual people. Unilingual people you'll find in much larger numbers in every single one of the English Canadian provinces.
@Vineon I don't know of any other country that forces it's population to speak one language. If you can enlighten me I would like to know. And Quebec has the largest multicultural society in all of Canada because it is the closest place to migrate to. Furthermore, in order to work for the government for example, you have to be bilingual. I also support being bilingual, what I don't like and detest is how people want to seperate a people because some don't want to learn the language.
You said : "I don't know of any other country that forces it's population to speak one language. If you can enlighten me I would like to know."
Oh that's really easy : nearly every country does it.
In Germany, people are taught in German exclusively in the public education system. In France, French, in Italy, Italian, in England, English.. and in Québec.. in French. You tell me what the difference is exactly.
Countries offer public education in their official language(s). Nearly every single country does so. Canada for instance only offers English and French, being its two official languages. Yes that does mean that mandarin speaking students in Vancouver are forced to be taught in English.
Québec claims to be officially French and both language and education are of its juridiction. What it does is simply what every single country does and offer public education in its official language.
@Vineon Ok well here is where we are at a turning point. If every country offers its countries language as a main source of education, Quebec is not a country of its own. It belongs to Canada and should offer both languages as an educational instruction. However it does not. If your parents are immigrants or weren't taught in English you have to send them to French school. This law doesn't exist anywhere else in Canada. They have schools that are open to people who speak French.
Québec offers English public education to its English historical minority as guaranteed by Canadian law (in the same manner, English provinces have to offer French public education to French minorities elsewhere).
Provinces manage education, much like Swiss Cantons do (which aren't countries, if you wanted a similar example elsewhere) and Québec considers itself officially French.
@Vineon That is my issue with Quebec, I don't believe that they should consider themselves anything but Canadian. That being said I relate to the fact that Canadians should be able to speak both languages, with a main language of choice. If people want to specialize in English as opposed to French, or vise vera, more power to them. But to consider oneself officially French and boast about it, only instigates social problems. Like my favorite is the business signs. I mean seriously...
"That is my issue with Quebec, I don't believe that they should consider themselves anything but Canadian."
The Québécois identity isn't an illusion or something made up by politicians. It is something that exists and that you must deal with. Do you also hold a grudge against the First Nations for considering themselves Cree, Innu or Inuit and not Canadian?
Don't you think an officially bilingual province in which English would become the prefered language of nearly all newcomers like it was before Bill 101 wouldn't instigate social problems?
Don't you realize French workers, which were the majority, had a hard time working in their own language before the passing of the law? Was that not creating social problems?
What about when most Montreal commercial signs were English when the majority were French? That didn't create any tension?
@Vineon English signs cause tension? If you are uneducated you don't deserve an opinion. If you can't work in both languages then you are likely doing a job that doesn't require much interaction and if you can't speak one due to your circumstances you should make the effort. I know when I don't understand certain words in French, Italian or English, I make the effort to learn.
If you cannot comprehend that there was once a majority of signs in a language that is not the one spoken by the majority and that it created social tensions, I wouldn't know what else to say. Believe it or not, Bill 101 was put forward not to create more tension but to lessen tension.
Since, most Québécois understand why it exists and wouldn't want without. I'm fairly sure a majoriy of naturalized new Québécois also agree with it.
@Vineon No I did not imply that not knowing another language means your uneducated. I'm referring to the people that make associations with business signs and the fact that they can not read it and raise issues about it, don't deserve an opinion. When that law past, many business entrepeneurs moved away and Quebec felt it with both property value and population. That law ejected some of the people, and created provincial tension.
It's about not feeling respected as a majority moreso than not being able to read a simple sign. Anyone could read a stop sign whether it says 'stop, arrêt, or muffin' on it. The thing is, the majority speaks French and it is in that language that most signs should read, by respect to the demographics.
"When that law past, many business entrepeneurs moved away"
Some came crawling back, Sun Life for example. Since, the French Québécois have increased their life quality. They have better job opportunities and gain higher salaries.
Once again, tensions existed before, much more of it should I add. Very few are the people hoping to go back to pre-Bill 101 era, which save perhaps the sign laws, pretty much copies what is done elsewhere in the world.
@Vineon I understand your point of view now. I respect it to. I just think we have opposing views that are both legitimate, just that my perspectives are more on the liberal than the conservative side. If you have anything else to say I'd be happy to read it. I have gotten my points across and thank you for your time.
@gerry135 When I said multinational, I was referring to the ethnic diversity, not the extensive Asian population in BC or Italian/Irish in Toronto. I was referring to the extensive Arab/Asian/Haitian/Italian/Indian and Native populations that make up various parts of Montreal more so than Quebec, since it is a small compact and heavily populated isle with lots of diversity.
I don't think Montréal has a more diverse immigration than does Toronto. You mentionned Indians and we have only very little of them compared to Toronto and Vancouver. We have a lot of Haitians and Arabs from the Maghreb because they are francophones while Vancouver has more Asians because it is on the Pacific.
Toronto has everything and is truely the world's most multicultural city, probably more so than New York or even Miami.
As for our Natives population, it is a very small one, counting for only 1% of our population. In contrast, that makes them about 10% of the Canadian native population. Ontario and especially the western provinces, have way more of them than does Québec.
Moreover, of our 11 tribes, only the Mohawks live near Montréal.
Something else you're likely not interested to understand. The English have kept their rights to English institutions, the French in large agree with Bill 101 and newcomers are never forced to come to Québec rather than another province. So I'm wondering, who exactly is coerced into French again?
@Vineon The way you word your arguements are very insulting. I have never belittled you and you treat me like an idiot. I understand reason. Also with your statement on how the French agree with Bill 101... I mean are joking? No shit they agree, they want more people to speak the French language because they refuse to become promptly bilingual. I give people a hard time if they don't speak neither of the languages. Whether French or English. Just so I don't show favortism unlike you.
Do not isolate a single point of my argument this way, please.
My point was not only that the French agree, but that the English had kept their institution and that immigrants are never forced to pick Québec out of the 10 provinces to move to. My point, was that there should be little people left that could legitimately complain.
They do not want people to learn French because they refuse to become bilingual. My guess is that every Québécois wish he was.
@Vineon it is scientifically proven that bilingual people are more intelligent. The fact that you are saying that the 'English' are preventing their own to learn French is absurd. Whether people want to learn two languages is their perogative. If you limit people to one language, which is what Quebec is doing, you promote ignorance do you not? The artical on the scientific discovery was in the Journal de Montreal. As a proud French paper do you not find that ironic?
Québec does not limit people to one language any more than any other place limits people from learning languages that aren't the national one.
Québec forces people to learn French, it doesn't stop them from learning English. Should I remind you Québec gives a lot more secondary language classes than the rest of Canada?
@Vineon Did I not just finish telling you that Quebec is the most multinational because of its immigrant population? Let's not also forget your previous comment that English is the language in which the course of Quebec was headed towards. So the reason is offers them is because it is what the people want. And it doesn't force one language for education, it does though with regards to immigrants and the people who migrate here, don't look at educational aspects unless they are students.
Québec is not the "most multinational". Toronto easily beats us at that (more than half of Torontoans(??) weren't born in Canada, and Vancouver beats us as well with a sizeable Asian-Canadian population. Montréal would only rank third and the rest of Québec isn't much exposed to immigration.
If they want an English education, there are 9 other provinces to pick from or they can come to Québec and pay it themselves. You may not care a iota for it but the Québécois understandably believe that the perenity of their culture goes through the perenity of the French language and intend to make sure it remains dominant in Québec.
Luckily, most immigrants at the very least comprehend and accept this fact. I wish you did as well.
"don't look at educational aspects unless they are students"
I'm certain they do not make the decision to move to another country without fully being informed. It is a life changing decision and not one you take without fully analysing the pros and cons.
Should they not inform themselves properly, they frankly lose the legitimate right to complain about the laws and place and you should blame your own Canadian gvt for not making sure they make an educated choice.
@Vineon Let's not forget, I forgot her name, wanted to extend the laws to colleges in Quebec. Furthermore, if someone were to move for a job purpose, and later has a family but wants to educate his child in English but has not been to English school he will be forced to send his child to a French school.
That is Le Parti Québécois. Please learn the name of the major political parties of your own province.
"he will be forced to send his child to a French school"
I see no problem with this. Were he forced to move to Germany for a job opportunity, he'd also have to send his children to a German school. Similarly, if a German moved to Toronto, he'd be forced to send his kids to an English school.
@Vineon lol I know it is from the partis Quebecois, I don't know every political figure that exists. The fact that you made that comment means you've realized that my arguement has more meaning than yours and you need to insult another to feel better about yourself. There are private schools in Germany that you can send your child to to learn English, I don't know how the education system in Germany works, but it should not affect a country with 2 official languages. You fail.
Hold on. First of all, allow me to react harshly to someone that lives in Québec and doesn't know who leads the major political parties. For the Parti Québécois, the name is Pauline Marois. I thought everybody knew that, everybody half informed at least.
If you imply a worker in Germany could simply send his kids to a private English school, the same can be done in Québec. It is the public system that is in both case in the official language.
@Vineon Furthermore there is a problem with forcing one official language. If you want to create tension within Canada go right ahead, regardless English is the major language for Canadian citizens and it needs to be realized by Quebec. You keep bringing majority into you arguements. Well quebec is not the majority of Canada which it is a part of and English is spoken by more Canadians than French. So think about what you say before you speak you French bigot.
Oh I'm a French bigot now? That's said essentially after I've been told Québec should have no say on what education system it should have considering it pays for it in full?
Switzerland has 4 national languages and each Canton (read province) decides on their language of education. Essentially, this is what Québec does.. and what every juridiction that governs education does.
@Vineon If one goes to Toronto they are not forced to go to an English school. English schools are merely what is available to them. Here in Quebec both English and French schools are available, but only some may attend English school. This is not due to the lack of applicants, but rather the lack of a freedom of choice.
I'd suggest a number of students would jump on the opportunity to go to a mandarin public school in Vancouver area or a Spanish public school in Florida. Why isn't it offered? Certainly not by a lack of applicants but rather a lack of a freedom of choice?
@Vineon Obviously you did not understand what I said. Are Spanish schools refusing people in Florida? Is that even an option to them? What I am saying is that here in Quebec we have both options of a French and English school, but not everyone is permitted to choose and that in itself is unfair.
They do not refuse anyone as they do not exist, which isn't because they couldn't get students. There are no Spanish public schools in Florida just like you could argue there are no English public schools in Québec. The ones that exist are an accomodation to the English speaking historical minority.
It isn't an 'option' merely an 'accomodation' kept and guaranteed by Canadian laws.. just like French public schools must exist by law elsewhere in the country where numbers warrant.
@mehhhyouknow i agree with your point, I believe both french and english in the province of quebec should have the entitlement to choose whichever choice they see fit for their aspirations and not be deprived by a detrimental bill that stops them from having access to the needed tools, so to speak...but retards like vineon fail to understand that concept, because...he's retarded...just simply retarded...
@Vineon I know many French people who would like to send their children to English schools but are not permitted. I understand that Quebec is trying to maintain their language, but let’s face it- English is currently the universal language and a language of opportunity. I am not saying English is the only important language merely that it is a useful one that is undermined in French schools.
"And sepratists don't want to pay any national debt"
That's a complete lie and never will you find something of the sort seriously brough forth by a sovereignist politician. I dare you to find me a quote stating the opposite.
I know, unlike you, how to argue properly. You do it with a good amount of correct information. You on the other end, have shown to be completely ignorant and barely seem to know what we are talking about.
If you actually want to argue about the debt, about the currency or about language legislation, make a goddamn small effort to at least portray yourself as someone that half knows what he's talking about.
The single claim that 'separatists' claim they won't take their share of the Canadian debt is laughable.
The claim that language legislation doesn't exist anywhere else when it exists everywhere is ever more laughable.
And Québec is the province where the bilingualism ratio is the highest in the country (just higher than NB's and much higher than every other province).
Do not make the mistake again to insinuate they are the ones in need to make all the efforts.
@Vineon I didn't say anything about Quebec being unilingual. I asked you to name another country with language legislation and you didn't. Don't bring up any country that involves religion and language because they don't deserve a position in this debate. I also hope your not linking the language legislation with the fact that Quebec is the most bilingual. As for my statement on the national debt it is related to a comment made in a video I was watching on this topic.
They all have language legislation, are you kidding me. The US have several states with all kinds of language legislation. Canada itself has language legislation. The UK just passed a law REQUIRING new citizens to know English on ARRIVAL. Many Eastern European states like Lithuania and Estonia have copied Bill 101's format and implemented it.
You asked me to name countries, I did answer : language legislation exists EVERYWHERE.
@Vineon Yes you are right with regards to language legislation, but these countries do not have 2 main languages. We on the other hand do. And to have a province that limits one language is just arrogant. In America for example, spanish is offered for people near a neiboring country. We, here in Quebec, are forced to speak one of 2 languages. We do not have a choice... Do you see where I am getting at here?
To my knowledge, nowhere in the United States is Spanish offered as a main language in a public school system. If it is taught as a secondary language, it is no different than the Québec French system that makes English mandatory as a 2nd language and starts from grade 1 all the way to college (French taught in English Canadian provinces merely lasts a few years).
In America and in English Canada, you are forced to speak English. I'm not even sure how anyone could claim otherwise, to be honest.
The thing is, French needs to manage language like would a country because English just pressures it so. Before Bill 101, 9 immigrants out of 10 went to an English institution. Anyone that can read and comprehend numbers understand that it puts, in terms, French greatly at risk.
"As for my statement on the national debt it is related to a comment made in a video I was watching on this topic."
If someone wrongfully believes Canada will send in the army on Québec and hang the evil separatists, I will not be stupid enough to believe it the main federalist position on Québec sovereignty.
Just the same, you should look beyond comments made on YT and actually look for the right information.
Comment voulez vous que les enfɑnts écoute leurs pɑrents puisque Tɑrzɑn vit ɑ moitié nu, Cendrillon rentre ɑ minuit, Pinocchio pɑsse son temps ɑ mentir, ɑlɑdin est le roi des voleurs, Bɑtman conduit ɑ 320km/h, lɑ Belle ɑu Bois Dormɑnt est une lɑche et Blɑnche Neige vit avec 7 mecs. Il ne faut pɑs s'étonner si les enfɑnts font des conneries
Chemtrails dans le ciel du Quebec. Ceci change la temperature et ammêne de la puie... Ont est dans la puie et dans les inondations ici! Ont aurait du voter
@Vineon Tu as raison, moi si je voudrais me séparer se serait des séparatistes. La seule condition pour laquelle j'accepterais de me séparer du canada, c'est qu'en contrepartie il faudrait se séparer des souverainistes. C'est pas tant l'idée de souveraineté qui dérange, mais la mentalité, les autres idées que véhiculent les gens qui vont vers cette voie. Des pelleteux de nuages, des chialeux et des cons qui sont indigne du patrimoine laissé par M. René Levesque.
Ce patrimoine laissé par René Lévesque n'est pas l'idée même de la souveraineté justement portée par ses souverainistes donc vous souhaitez la disparition? Qu'est-ce qui a tant changé depuis? Généralement, la critique du mouvement, au contraire, insinue que le mouvement ne s'est pas bien adapté aux nouvelles réalités Québécoises.
@Vineon Je suis vraiment d'accord avec toi sur ce sujet. le souverainisme aujourd'hui n'est plus assez actuel. Il faudrait changer complètement les fondements mêmes de l'idéologie pour qu'elle puisse s'appliquer à notre société et au monde dans lequel nous vivons. Je suis souverainiste, mais non partisane parce que les idées véhiculée dans le Bloc ou au PQ ne me plaisent pas. Par contre, je n'accepte pas que des chialeux, genre la soixante watt qui n'a vu que le Mont-Royal, disent des conneries.
@hardllovingman Ouais c'est sur que si le mont-royal c'est la seule montagne que t'as vu t'es encore pire que moi! Ça veut juste dire que t'es même pas sorti de Montréal pauvre con! XD Ensuite je refuse de rester dans un pays qui refait allégeance à l'Angleterre. À quand le statut de colonie merde? Le Canada lui-même n'est pas libre. On fait encore parti du putain d'empire colonial de l'Angleterre. Révise tes cours d'histoire la soixante watt.
@VivianeTheBanana Je n'aime pas l'Angleterre et j'aime encore moins les séparatistes. Je suis aller en France, Colombie-Britannique, Chilie,Bolivie E-U. J'ai vu les Pyrénées, les alpes, la cordillière des andes et de l'ouest, les appalaches, les laurentides. J'aime parler Français, je déteste le plateau mont-royal et Pauline Marois, j'aime le canada et l'Abitibi. Je suis juste fier d'être Canadien Français d'amérique d'expression française sti Ah aussi, j'ai eu 99.5% dans mes cours d'histoire
@hardllovingman Ouais...le proverbe :«la culture c'est comme la confiture moins t'en a plus tu l'étale» prend vraiment tout son sens quand je lis ton commentaire...-_- C'est triste que tu n'ai aucun moyen de me prouver tout ce que tu dis XD C'est quand mm un peu...enfantin d'inventer tout ça juste pour dire d'la marde...t'a quoi, 12 ans? Ah non c'est vrai, tu vas me faire croire que t'es à l'Université en droit ou un truc comme ça XD T'es vraiment pathétique
@VivianeTheBanana J'ai encore chez moi mon bulletin de secondaire 4 et mes photos de voyages. Dommages que tes arguments s'arrêtent là sa aurait pu être une belle discution. Pour ce qui est de mon âge, j'ai 21. De plus je suis étudiant en 3e année en génie civil. Il n'y a pas trop de quoi à avoir la tête haute le Bloc a 3 ou 4 députés et le parti québécois est en déconfiture avec un chef pourris. On est loin de Lucien Bouchard et de Bernard Landry. Bonne chance et surtout vive le CANADA!!!!
Around 50% of French-Quebecers are "separatistes" as you call them. So you are presently telling us that you hate on 50% of Abitibi people. You must have a hell of a good time up there.
Sorry but you sound just like another Elvis Gratton. I refuse with all my heart to speak French to people of your kind.
@VivianeTheBanana sort du quebec pis tu ira voir que sa vaut po cher losti de mont royal comparer aux rocheuses si vous voulez vous separer on pourrais bin tute vous déménager a haiti ou a cuba.
@hardllovingman AhAHAHA c'est vrai que si dans tout le Québec c'est seulement le Mont-Royal que t'as vu, t'es pire que moi! J'suis peut-être jamais allé en Colombie-Britannique mais je peux dire que j'suis sortie de Montréal moi au moins! XD Sti que t'es moron.
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@gerry135
You said : "I also want to thank you for pursuing this debate with intelligent comments and an educated front."
Well that's a change of attitude after calling me a 'French pig' and saying I've done nothing to 'sound intelligent'.
Vineon 1 week ago
les séparatise ses fini
peterbilt199 1 week ago
@peterbilt199
Peut-être.
Cependant, les Elvis Gratton eux, perdurent. Vous en êtes un exemple assez flagrant.
Vineon 1 week ago
FUCK YOU SEPARATISITS. VOUS NE SAVEZ RIEN DU CANADA ET COMME LE QUEBEC PAUVRE SANS LE RESTE DU PAYE. DECOLIS DU PAYE ET VOUS ALLEZ SUFFRE ET MOIS JE VAIS RIRE HAHAHAHA ..l..
gerry135 1 month ago
@gerry135 lol, voilà le commentaire le plus intelligent que j'ai lu à date
Amoniak71 1 month ago
@Amoniak71 effecttivement meme si je ne suis pas souverainiste je suis d accord avec toi lol
nicodr007 1 month ago
@Amoniak71 :)
gerry135 1 month ago
@gerry135 t'est Québecois ? en tout cas t'écris vraiment mal le francais . Vas en ontario et tu comprendra pourquoi y faut se séparer.
ripODBible 3 weeks ago
@ripODBible Ma langue maternelle et l'Anglais puis l'Italien, mais je deteste les regle contre les Anglais au Quebec. Mon ecriture et pauvre mes je suis capable de parle le Francais tres bein. Par tout au Canada on trouve pas de lois contre la langue Anglais ni Francais, mes ici au Quebec il cherche la drame. Les separatist veul ce separae sans paye leur affaire. Il parle d'un Quebec libre, mais c'est libre suelment pour eu.
gerry135 3 weeks ago
@gerry135
N'avez-vous jamais tenté de comprendre pourquoi ces lois linguistiques existent et pourquoi elles ne sont pas nécessaires dans le reste du pays? Non, bien évidemment.
"Les separatist veul ce separae sans paye leur affaire"
Vous ne savez même pas ce dont vous parlez.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon took you long enough to reply, they don't exist in other countries because they don't feel that limiting it's people to one language is an issue. And sepratists don't want to pay any national debt and want to create their own currency so they can live off of Canada's hard work. Ok pal listen, you obviously don't know how to argue a point, you make little to no attempt to sound intelligent and you are French pig, I hope you can understand this. Or do you only speak one language?
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
Language legislation exist in most of not ALL countries and that includes the rest of Canada. For instance, you cannot become a Canadian citizen without a working knowledge of either one of the official languages.
If Québec is limiting its people to one language, you'd then have to wonder why in hell it is the north american state with the most bilingual people. Unilingual people you'll find in much larger numbers in every single one of the English Canadian provinces.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon I don't know of any other country that forces it's population to speak one language. If you can enlighten me I would like to know. And Quebec has the largest multicultural society in all of Canada because it is the closest place to migrate to. Furthermore, in order to work for the government for example, you have to be bilingual. I also support being bilingual, what I don't like and detest is how people want to seperate a people because some don't want to learn the language.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
You said : "I don't know of any other country that forces it's population to speak one language. If you can enlighten me I would like to know."
Oh that's really easy : nearly every country does it.
In Germany, people are taught in German exclusively in the public education system. In France, French, in Italy, Italian, in England, English.. and in Québec.. in French. You tell me what the difference is exactly.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon
Countries offer public education in their official language(s). Nearly every single country does so. Canada for instance only offers English and French, being its two official languages. Yes that does mean that mandarin speaking students in Vancouver are forced to be taught in English.
Québec claims to be officially French and both language and education are of its juridiction. What it does is simply what every single country does and offer public education in its official language.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon Ok well here is where we are at a turning point. If every country offers its countries language as a main source of education, Quebec is not a country of its own. It belongs to Canada and should offer both languages as an educational instruction. However it does not. If your parents are immigrants or weren't taught in English you have to send them to French school. This law doesn't exist anywhere else in Canada. They have schools that are open to people who speak French.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
Québec offers English public education to its English historical minority as guaranteed by Canadian law (in the same manner, English provinces have to offer French public education to French minorities elsewhere).
Provinces manage education, much like Swiss Cantons do (which aren't countries, if you wanted a similar example elsewhere) and Québec considers itself officially French.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon That is my issue with Quebec, I don't believe that they should consider themselves anything but Canadian. That being said I relate to the fact that Canadians should be able to speak both languages, with a main language of choice. If people want to specialize in English as opposed to French, or vise vera, more power to them. But to consider oneself officially French and boast about it, only instigates social problems. Like my favorite is the business signs. I mean seriously...
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
"That is my issue with Quebec, I don't believe that they should consider themselves anything but Canadian."
The Québécois identity isn't an illusion or something made up by politicians. It is something that exists and that you must deal with. Do you also hold a grudge against the First Nations for considering themselves Cree, Innu or Inuit and not Canadian?
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
Don't you think an officially bilingual province in which English would become the prefered language of nearly all newcomers like it was before Bill 101 wouldn't instigate social problems?
Don't you realize French workers, which were the majority, had a hard time working in their own language before the passing of the law? Was that not creating social problems?
What about when most Montreal commercial signs were English when the majority were French? That didn't create any tension?
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon English signs cause tension? If you are uneducated you don't deserve an opinion. If you can't work in both languages then you are likely doing a job that doesn't require much interaction and if you can't speak one due to your circumstances you should make the effort. I know when I don't understand certain words in French, Italian or English, I make the effort to learn.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
If you cannot comprehend that there was once a majority of signs in a language that is not the one spoken by the majority and that it created social tensions, I wouldn't know what else to say. Believe it or not, Bill 101 was put forward not to create more tension but to lessen tension.
Since, most Québécois understand why it exists and wouldn't want without. I'm fairly sure a majoriy of naturalized new Québécois also agree with it.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
Not knowing English is hardly a sign of being uneducated. Hopefully, that wasn't what you just implied.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon No I did not imply that not knowing another language means your uneducated. I'm referring to the people that make associations with business signs and the fact that they can not read it and raise issues about it, don't deserve an opinion. When that law past, many business entrepeneurs moved away and Quebec felt it with both property value and population. That law ejected some of the people, and created provincial tension.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
It's about not feeling respected as a majority moreso than not being able to read a simple sign. Anyone could read a stop sign whether it says 'stop, arrêt, or muffin' on it. The thing is, the majority speaks French and it is in that language that most signs should read, by respect to the demographics.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
"When that law past, many business entrepeneurs moved away"
Some came crawling back, Sun Life for example. Since, the French Québécois have increased their life quality. They have better job opportunities and gain higher salaries.
Once again, tensions existed before, much more of it should I add. Very few are the people hoping to go back to pre-Bill 101 era, which save perhaps the sign laws, pretty much copies what is done elsewhere in the world.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon I understand your point of view now. I respect it to. I just think we have opposing views that are both legitimate, just that my perspectives are more on the liberal than the conservative side. If you have anything else to say I'd be happy to read it. I have gotten my points across and thank you for your time.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135 When I said multinational, I was referring to the ethnic diversity, not the extensive Asian population in BC or Italian/Irish in Toronto. I was referring to the extensive Arab/Asian/Haitian/Italian/Indian and Native populations that make up various parts of Montreal more so than Quebec, since it is a small compact and heavily populated isle with lots of diversity.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
I don't think Montréal has a more diverse immigration than does Toronto. You mentionned Indians and we have only very little of them compared to Toronto and Vancouver. We have a lot of Haitians and Arabs from the Maghreb because they are francophones while Vancouver has more Asians because it is on the Pacific.
Toronto has everything and is truely the world's most multicultural city, probably more so than New York or even Miami.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
As for our Natives population, it is a very small one, counting for only 1% of our population. In contrast, that makes them about 10% of the Canadian native population. Ontario and especially the western provinces, have way more of them than does Québec.
Moreover, of our 11 tribes, only the Mohawks live near Montréal.
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mehhhyouknow 1 week ago
@gerry135
Something else you're likely not interested to understand. The English have kept their rights to English institutions, the French in large agree with Bill 101 and newcomers are never forced to come to Québec rather than another province. So I'm wondering, who exactly is coerced into French again?
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon The way you word your arguements are very insulting. I have never belittled you and you treat me like an idiot. I understand reason. Also with your statement on how the French agree with Bill 101... I mean are joking? No shit they agree, they want more people to speak the French language because they refuse to become promptly bilingual. I give people a hard time if they don't speak neither of the languages. Whether French or English. Just so I don't show favortism unlike you.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
Do not isolate a single point of my argument this way, please.
My point was not only that the French agree, but that the English had kept their institution and that immigrants are never forced to pick Québec out of the 10 provinces to move to. My point, was that there should be little people left that could legitimately complain.
They do not want people to learn French because they refuse to become bilingual. My guess is that every Québécois wish he was.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon it is scientifically proven that bilingual people are more intelligent. The fact that you are saying that the 'English' are preventing their own to learn French is absurd. Whether people want to learn two languages is their perogative. If you limit people to one language, which is what Quebec is doing, you promote ignorance do you not? The artical on the scientific discovery was in the Journal de Montreal. As a proud French paper do you not find that ironic?
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
You said : "it is scientifically proven that bilingual people are more intelligent."
In this case, the Québécois, the most bilingual people on the continent, are thus the most intelligent? I'll gladly take the compliment.
Then : " you are saying that the 'English' are preventing their own to learn French"
Never have I said anything of the sort. They sure aren't, in large, interested in learning other languages however.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
Québec does not limit people to one language any more than any other place limits people from learning languages that aren't the national one.
Québec forces people to learn French, it doesn't stop them from learning English. Should I remind you Québec gives a lot more secondary language classes than the rest of Canada?
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon Did I not just finish telling you that Quebec is the most multinational because of its immigrant population? Let's not also forget your previous comment that English is the language in which the course of Quebec was headed towards. So the reason is offers them is because it is what the people want. And it doesn't force one language for education, it does though with regards to immigrants and the people who migrate here, don't look at educational aspects unless they are students.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
Québec is not the "most multinational". Toronto easily beats us at that (more than half of Torontoans(??) weren't born in Canada, and Vancouver beats us as well with a sizeable Asian-Canadian population. Montréal would only rank third and the rest of Québec isn't much exposed to immigration.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
If they want an English education, there are 9 other provinces to pick from or they can come to Québec and pay it themselves. You may not care a iota for it but the Québécois understandably believe that the perenity of their culture goes through the perenity of the French language and intend to make sure it remains dominant in Québec.
Luckily, most immigrants at the very least comprehend and accept this fact. I wish you did as well.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
"don't look at educational aspects unless they are students"
I'm certain they do not make the decision to move to another country without fully being informed. It is a life changing decision and not one you take without fully analysing the pros and cons.
Should they not inform themselves properly, they frankly lose the legitimate right to complain about the laws and place and you should blame your own Canadian gvt for not making sure they make an educated choice.
Vineon 1 week ago
And students, those that actually can move on their own, have full access to English colleges and universities in Québec anyway.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon Let's not forget, I forgot her name, wanted to extend the laws to colleges in Quebec. Furthermore, if someone were to move for a job purpose, and later has a family but wants to educate his child in English but has not been to English school he will be forced to send his child to a French school.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
That is Le Parti Québécois. Please learn the name of the major political parties of your own province.
"he will be forced to send his child to a French school"
I see no problem with this. Were he forced to move to Germany for a job opportunity, he'd also have to send his children to a German school. Similarly, if a German moved to Toronto, he'd be forced to send his kids to an English school.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon lol I know it is from the partis Quebecois, I don't know every political figure that exists. The fact that you made that comment means you've realized that my arguement has more meaning than yours and you need to insult another to feel better about yourself. There are private schools in Germany that you can send your child to to learn English, I don't know how the education system in Germany works, but it should not affect a country with 2 official languages. You fail.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
Hold on. First of all, allow me to react harshly to someone that lives in Québec and doesn't know who leads the major political parties. For the Parti Québécois, the name is Pauline Marois. I thought everybody knew that, everybody half informed at least.
If you imply a worker in Germany could simply send his kids to a private English school, the same can be done in Québec. It is the public system that is in both case in the official language.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon Furthermore there is a problem with forcing one official language. If you want to create tension within Canada go right ahead, regardless English is the major language for Canadian citizens and it needs to be realized by Quebec. You keep bringing majority into you arguements. Well quebec is not the majority of Canada which it is a part of and English is spoken by more Canadians than French. So think about what you say before you speak you French bigot.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
Oh I'm a French bigot now? That's said essentially after I've been told Québec should have no say on what education system it should have considering it pays for it in full?
Switzerland has 4 national languages and each Canton (read province) decides on their language of education. Essentially, this is what Québec does.. and what every juridiction that governs education does.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon If one goes to Toronto they are not forced to go to an English school. English schools are merely what is available to them. Here in Quebec both English and French schools are available, but only some may attend English school. This is not due to the lack of applicants, but rather the lack of a freedom of choice.
mehhhyouknow 1 week ago
@mehhhyouknow
I'd suggest a number of students would jump on the opportunity to go to a mandarin public school in Vancouver area or a Spanish public school in Florida. Why isn't it offered? Certainly not by a lack of applicants but rather a lack of a freedom of choice?
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon Obviously you did not understand what I said. Are Spanish schools refusing people in Florida? Is that even an option to them? What I am saying is that here in Quebec we have both options of a French and English school, but not everyone is permitted to choose and that in itself is unfair.
mehhhyouknow 1 week ago
@mehhhyouknow
They do not refuse anyone as they do not exist, which isn't because they couldn't get students. There are no Spanish public schools in Florida just like you could argue there are no English public schools in Québec. The ones that exist are an accomodation to the English speaking historical minority.
It isn't an 'option' merely an 'accomodation' kept and guaranteed by Canadian laws.. just like French public schools must exist by law elsewhere in the country where numbers warrant.
Vineon 1 week ago
@mehhhyouknow i agree with your point, I believe both french and english in the province of quebec should have the entitlement to choose whichever choice they see fit for their aspirations and not be deprived by a detrimental bill that stops them from having access to the needed tools, so to speak...but retards like vineon fail to understand that concept, because...he's retarded...just simply retarded...
TaMereIsFuckable 1 week ago
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@mehhhyouknow
"If one goes to Toronto they are not forced to go to an English school. English schools are merely what is available to them."
Incompatible sentences. You're not forced to eat grease and fat if you're stuck eating at McDonald's, it is merely what is offered.
Vineon 1 week ago
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@Vineon I know many French people who would like to send their children to English schools but are not permitted. I understand that Quebec is trying to maintain their language, but let’s face it- English is currently the universal language and a language of opportunity. I am not saying English is the only important language merely that it is a useful one that is undermined in French schools.
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@gerry135
While Montréal is definitely very multicultural, Vancouver and certainly Toronto are more so.
Guess what, they all end up 'forced' to speak English in both of those cities and they I'm certain don't feel too bad about it.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
"And sepratists don't want to pay any national debt"
That's a complete lie and never will you find something of the sort seriously brough forth by a sovereignist politician. I dare you to find me a quote stating the opposite.
I know, unlike you, how to argue properly. You do it with a good amount of correct information. You on the other end, have shown to be completely ignorant and barely seem to know what we are talking about.
Vineon 1 week ago
@gerry135
To summarize:
If you actually want to argue about the debt, about the currency or about language legislation, make a goddamn small effort to at least portray yourself as someone that half knows what he's talking about.
The single claim that 'separatists' claim they won't take their share of the Canadian debt is laughable.
The claim that language legislation doesn't exist anywhere else when it exists everywhere is ever more laughable.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon
And Québec is the province where the bilingualism ratio is the highest in the country (just higher than NB's and much higher than every other province).
Do not make the mistake again to insinuate they are the ones in need to make all the efforts.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon I didn't say anything about Quebec being unilingual. I asked you to name another country with language legislation and you didn't. Don't bring up any country that involves religion and language because they don't deserve a position in this debate. I also hope your not linking the language legislation with the fact that Quebec is the most bilingual. As for my statement on the national debt it is related to a comment made in a video I was watching on this topic.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
They all have language legislation, are you kidding me. The US have several states with all kinds of language legislation. Canada itself has language legislation. The UK just passed a law REQUIRING new citizens to know English on ARRIVAL. Many Eastern European states like Lithuania and Estonia have copied Bill 101's format and implemented it.
You asked me to name countries, I did answer : language legislation exists EVERYWHERE.
Vineon 1 week ago
@Vineon Yes you are right with regards to language legislation, but these countries do not have 2 main languages. We on the other hand do. And to have a province that limits one language is just arrogant. In America for example, spanish is offered for people near a neiboring country. We, here in Quebec, are forced to speak one of 2 languages. We do not have a choice... Do you see where I am getting at here?
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135 I also want to thank you for pursuing this debate with intelligent comments and an educated front.
gerry135 1 week ago
@gerry135
To my knowledge, nowhere in the United States is Spanish offered as a main language in a public school system. If it is taught as a secondary language, it is no different than the Québec French system that makes English mandatory as a 2nd language and starts from grade 1 all the way to college (French taught in English Canadian provinces merely lasts a few years).
Vineon 1 week ago
In America and in English Canada, you are forced to speak English. I'm not even sure how anyone could claim otherwise, to be honest.
The thing is, French needs to manage language like would a country because English just pressures it so. Before Bill 101, 9 immigrants out of 10 went to an English institution. Anyone that can read and comprehend numbers understand that it puts, in terms, French greatly at risk.
Vineon 1 week ago
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@gerry135
"As for my statement on the national debt it is related to a comment made in a video I was watching on this topic."
If someone wrongfully believes Canada will send in the army on Québec and hang the evil separatists, I will not be stupid enough to believe it the main federalist position on Québec sovereignty.
Just the same, you should look beyond comments made on YT and actually look for the right information.
Vineon 1 week ago
TROS DROLLE J'ÉTOUFE STI HAHAHAH
MarioBenjamin100 2 months ago
hey wo wo, chu pas une machine moé là
EmperorShaoKahn123 3 months ago
P-O-R-S-O-N -> PARSONNE
Sebz253 8 months ago
@Sebz253 P-A-R-S-O-N****
Toked1000 7 months ago
PARSON
canada3004 8 months ago
yer mental lui y peut pas etre canadien et quebecois cest soit canadien francais ou quebecois LOSTIE D'ÉPAIS xD
PainVsPerfect 9 months ago
Comment voulez vous que les enfɑnts écoute leurs pɑrents puisque Tɑrzɑn vit ɑ moitié nu, Cendrillon rentre ɑ minuit, Pinocchio pɑsse son temps ɑ mentir, ɑlɑdin est le roi des voleurs, Bɑtman conduit ɑ 320km/h, lɑ Belle ɑu Bois Dormɑnt est une lɑche et Blɑnche Neige vit avec 7 mecs. Il ne faut pɑs s'étonner si les enfɑnts font des conneries
Chemtrails dans le ciel du Quebec. Ceci change la temperature et ammêne de la puie... Ont est dans la puie et dans les inondations ici! Ont aurait du voter
LikeTotallyRich 9 months ago
Bob rules en crisse !!! Au moins un qui pense avec sa tete 'sti !!!! Calisse qu'ils l'ont l'affaire les AMARICAINS !!!!!
calisse245 11 months ago
BIN Y'EN AURA PU D'BÉLONÉ
canada3004 11 months ago 2
Jpense j'ai tellement ri que j'ai pleuré... wow
canada3004 11 months ago
kece qui leus ont fait a mes montagnes rocheuses!!!! pquoi que les quebecois aiment pas BOB GRATTONN ESTI DE CRISS DE TABARNAK
sacha9646 1 year ago
C'est tiré d'où ça et enregistré quand ?
MarchandDeBoeufs 1 year ago
@MarchandDeBoeufs Si j'me trompe pas... C'est du troisième film! Enregistré ya quelque année
QcPowa18 10 months ago
PARSON HAHAHAHA
ski4life19 1 year ago
le cave qui aime pas sa stun séparatise
Jerome010198 1 year ago
@burn0921
ferme ta gueule parce que moé chuis déjà allé pis jte dis que c'est bin plus beau que le mont royal.
connard
SimonKelahear 1 year ago
@SimonKelahear
J'en doute, si vous y seriez allé, vous n'auriez pas établi de ridicules comparaisons avec le Mont Royal.
Vineon 1 year ago
ben stie dkaliss, avec un avocat pareil, les federalisses sont ben rendus astheur!!! Il est génial ce chum dans toute son horreur!
ranskanlehtori 1 year ago
g.p.t a.q.b.c
chant1018361 1 year ago
Bob il l'a en tab... tout a fait d'accord avec lui
C'est mon IDOLE
bigboy0691986 1 year ago
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tibotibo1976 1 year ago
p-a-r-s-o-n parson hahaha
Telussssss 1 year ago
Ouain,«on va couper quelques bouts parce que ca fait melangeant» -‹Tu trouves? LOLL
Sannevertti 2 years ago
Les osti d'fédéralistes avec les maudites rocheuses, y'a n'a pas un qui est déjà aller les voir...
burn0291 2 years ago
@burn0291 BEN TROP VRAI ÇA TBK! LES OSTI DE FÉDÉRALISSE AK LEURS COLISSE DE MONTAGNE ROCHEUSES A MARDE! YER BEAU NOT MONT ROYALE XD XD
VivianeTheBanana 9 months ago
@VivianeTheBanana sort du quebec pis tu ira voir que sa vaut po cher losti de mont royal comparer aux rocheuses
hardllovingman 8 months ago
@hardllovingman
Qui est ce "on" qui déporterait les souverainistes vers les Caraïbes?
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Tu as raison, moi si je voudrais me séparer se serait des séparatistes. La seule condition pour laquelle j'accepterais de me séparer du canada, c'est qu'en contrepartie il faudrait se séparer des souverainistes. C'est pas tant l'idée de souveraineté qui dérange, mais la mentalité, les autres idées que véhiculent les gens qui vont vers cette voie. Des pelleteux de nuages, des chialeux et des cons qui sont indigne du patrimoine laissé par M. René Levesque.
hardllovingman 8 months ago
@hardllovingman
Un peu de cohérence je vous prie.
Ce patrimoine laissé par René Lévesque n'est pas l'idée même de la souveraineté justement portée par ses souverainistes donc vous souhaitez la disparition? Qu'est-ce qui a tant changé depuis? Généralement, la critique du mouvement, au contraire, insinue que le mouvement ne s'est pas bien adapté aux nouvelles réalités Québécoises.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Je suis vraiment d'accord avec toi sur ce sujet. le souverainisme aujourd'hui n'est plus assez actuel. Il faudrait changer complètement les fondements mêmes de l'idéologie pour qu'elle puisse s'appliquer à notre société et au monde dans lequel nous vivons. Je suis souverainiste, mais non partisane parce que les idées véhiculée dans le Bloc ou au PQ ne me plaisent pas. Par contre, je n'accepte pas que des chialeux, genre la soixante watt qui n'a vu que le Mont-Royal, disent des conneries.
VivianeTheBanana 6 months ago
@hardllovingman Ouais c'est sur que si le mont-royal c'est la seule montagne que t'as vu t'es encore pire que moi! Ça veut juste dire que t'es même pas sorti de Montréal pauvre con! XD Ensuite je refuse de rester dans un pays qui refait allégeance à l'Angleterre. À quand le statut de colonie merde? Le Canada lui-même n'est pas libre. On fait encore parti du putain d'empire colonial de l'Angleterre. Révise tes cours d'histoire la soixante watt.
VivianeTheBanana 6 months ago
@VivianeTheBanana Je n'aime pas l'Angleterre et j'aime encore moins les séparatistes. Je suis aller en France, Colombie-Britannique, Chilie,Bolivie E-U. J'ai vu les Pyrénées, les alpes, la cordillière des andes et de l'ouest, les appalaches, les laurentides. J'aime parler Français, je déteste le plateau mont-royal et Pauline Marois, j'aime le canada et l'Abitibi. Je suis juste fier d'être Canadien Français d'amérique d'expression française sti Ah aussi, j'ai eu 99.5% dans mes cours d'histoire
hardllovingman 6 months ago
@hardllovingman Ouais...le proverbe :«la culture c'est comme la confiture moins t'en a plus tu l'étale» prend vraiment tout son sens quand je lis ton commentaire...-_- C'est triste que tu n'ai aucun moyen de me prouver tout ce que tu dis XD C'est quand mm un peu...enfantin d'inventer tout ça juste pour dire d'la marde...t'a quoi, 12 ans? Ah non c'est vrai, tu vas me faire croire que t'es à l'Université en droit ou un truc comme ça XD T'es vraiment pathétique
VivianeTheBanana 6 months ago
@VivianeTheBanana J'ai encore chez moi mon bulletin de secondaire 4 et mes photos de voyages. Dommages que tes arguments s'arrêtent là sa aurait pu être une belle discution. Pour ce qui est de mon âge, j'ai 21. De plus je suis étudiant en 3e année en génie civil. Il n'y a pas trop de quoi à avoir la tête haute le Bloc a 3 ou 4 députés et le parti québécois est en déconfiture avec un chef pourris. On est loin de Lucien Bouchard et de Bernard Landry. Bonne chance et surtout vive le CANADA!!!!
hardllovingman 6 months ago
@hardllovingman
Around 50% of French-Quebecers are "separatistes" as you call them. So you are presently telling us that you hate on 50% of Abitibi people. You must have a hell of a good time up there.
Sorry but you sound just like another Elvis Gratton. I refuse with all my heart to speak French to people of your kind.
Un fier indépendantiste.
eltremblayo 4 months ago 8
@VivianeTheBanana sort du quebec pis tu ira voir que sa vaut po cher losti de mont royal comparer aux rocheuses si vous voulez vous separer on pourrais bin tute vous déménager a haiti ou a cuba.
hardllovingman 8 months ago
@hardllovingman AhAHAHA c'est vrai que si dans tout le Québec c'est seulement le Mont-Royal que t'as vu, t'es pire que moi! J'suis peut-être jamais allé en Colombie-Britannique mais je peux dire que j'suis sortie de Montréal moi au moins! XD Sti que t'es moron.
VivianeTheBanana 6 months ago
Zut alors jsuis trop nulle ak les ordis j'ai posté deux fois le mm commentaire XD bah merde XD Tant qu'a y être...VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE!
VivianeTheBanana 6 months ago
président du comité des intellectuels pour le non hahahaha
frankfrankside 2 years ago
Touchez pas à mes montagnes rocheuses TABARNAK!!!
Joeysper 2 years ago 20
le cacanada lo0l
hootchee22 2 years ago
Y'an nora pu d'béloné!!! mdr
drzhava73 2 years ago 12
Bob you rock, crisse!
execk2 2 years ago
Le canada c vraiment le plus ESTI !!! !!! .... ... vous pouvez couper asteur.
Calisse de film, le meilleur des 3, c sur
marcorock101 2 years ago
J'Approuve...
Adophy1945 2 years ago