World Most Dangerous Snake Coastal Taipan (Oxyuranus s. scutellatus) venom extraction at KRZ

[turtle78imnotaturtle]

ive read a few comments and it only seems that a few of you people know what you are talking about . the feirce snake(inland tiapan ) is a very timid snake that does not come into contact with peopl very often but i do belive it would of bitten and killed a human at some stage you have to know that aboriginals have been in this country for over 40,000 years.the tiapan or what you call the coastal tiapan is found near cain fields and can be very aggressive and will strike many times

[Tangamalanga]

i was walking in some bush at the beach at Fraser Island in Australia and i heard somethinng jerk in the scrub next to me... and so i freeze... and one of these fellas shoots straight past my ankle!! it was like 20cm away!! ...nuts...

[kyreptilezoo]

@Tangamalanga Whoa.

[turtle78imnotaturtle]

@Tangamalanga there is no tiapans on fraser island trust me im a aussie who loves snakes

[sunupxp187]

notice that this man has only 4 fingers on his right hand. was it a viper? taipan? cobra? mamba?

[kyreptilezoo]

@sunupxp187

Actually, the part of his index finger that he's missing is from a weight lifting accident, not a snake.

[25thesnake]

cool video nice snakes

[MintyModF1]

Jim.....You have balls of steel mate. Hats off to you...

[Djinnhydra]

What about the Inland Taipan? I've heard it's pretty dangerous too some say it's the most dangerous. What makes the Coastal Taipan even worse?

[kyreptilezoo]

@Djinnhydra If you scroll down through the comments you will see this question answered. (several times, actually.) Inland taipans don't come in contact with people as much as coastals do.

[carowindscrazy2]

i wonder if that hurts the snakes

[kyreptilezoo]

@carowindscrazy2 No, though it is stressful for them.

[dpedwards08]

What makes the coastal taipan the world's most dangerous snake?

[kyreptilezoo]

@dpedwards08 Read our explanations below

[adelking66]

look at the guy with no finger, snake bite?

[kyreptilezoo]

@adelking66 Actually the finger was lost to a weight lifting accident. It has nothing to do with snakes.

[dpedwards08]

If you look at the death toll from snakes, I think Russels Vipers and Saw Scaled Vipers kill way more people than Coastal Taipans, don't they? It's weird how the snake world works. The Inland Taipan has the most toxic venom, yet it has never claimed a human life.

[kyreptilezoo]

@dpedwards08 Yes, those vipers cause many more deaths.

[yobro250]

@dpedwards08 The inland taipan has the most toxic venom TO MICE!!! Their is ZERO proof that it has the most toxic venom to humans or any other animal that isn't a mouse

[kyreptilezoo]

@yobro250 Um, yes. Not sure why you are shouting about it. If you read some of the other comments you will see why we titled the video this way. I can't remember if we explain LD50s in this video or not, but I know for sure in other videos we have explained them.

[chiconspiracy]

@yobro250

The best test of "deadliest" in my opinion is medical records of bites without antivenin. I cringe whenever I see the Australian tiger snake or brown snake rated as "more deadly" than the black mamba because of the LD50. Medical records show the black mamba has a nearly 100% fatality rate without antivenin, which the "deadlier" brown and tiger snakes can't claim. Or course you can always go by numbers, in which case the russels or saw scaled are deadliest, followed by naja naja.

[chiconspiracy]

@yobro250

They did have a 100% fatality rate before antivenom. I can think of no snake with a comparable medical record except for the black mamba. In fact, medical records without antivenom are probably the best indicator of how "deadly" a snake is. You're right to question the LD50 though. The black mamba isn't on the top 10 of the LD50, but there are examples of people who survived bites from common brown snakes, death adders and tiger snakes with no medical treatment.

[fearingpredators]

@chiconspiracy

Yes,i agree that danger or deadliness requires numerous factors to be considered and mortality rate i think will be a good reference.As i know,currently,the king cobra and black mamba cause the highest m.rate(1/3 bitten victims die)The untreated mortality rate you mentioned to a certain extent relates to the snake temperament as the survival bitten victims may receive non fatal bites.To me,black mamba coastal taipan king cobra eastern brown cape cobra etc are all highly dangerous

[7mikethebike]

@yobro250 let me ask you- why , if toxicity TO MICE!!! is irrelevant to human danger, do they use ld50 tests on mice to compare snake toxicity in the first place? A mouse physiology is similar enough to human physiology to make the data useful, I believe. PS the word you used 'their' is not the correct word for the statement you made. I'm not a know -it -all, that is simply grammar school -level grammar.

[kyreptilezoo]

@7mikethebike Remember they use mice because there is no way to test venom toxicity on humans.

[7mikethebike]

I notice the guy with the missing finger is forcefully pressing his fingertips on the snake's head- apparently 'milking' venom out of the snake. Is this procedure painful or stressful to the snake? It doesn't look exactly pleasant.

[kyreptilezoo]

@7mikethebike It is stressful to the snake, but not harmful. The snakes eat well and are healthy. The pressing is not as forceful as it looks-- remember snakes' heads are very flexible so they tend to move around easily. The rubbing encourages the snake to give more venom, but it does not force the venom out of the glands-- that would injure the snake.

[aussieblacksnake]

That's correct here in Australia there are very few deaths a year no more then one or two and are manly people that have health proplems or small child

[kyreptilezoo]

@CoaksReptileMan The title of this video is base on the book by Paul Masci/Philip Kendall called The Taipan the World's Most Dangerous Snake. Actually, the snakes that kill the most people in the world are 1. Echis (saw-scaled viper), 2. Russell's viper 3. Indian cobra 4. Lancehead viper (Bothrops atria) and 5. Puff adder. Australia has the most toxic snakes perhaps but very very few deaths due to good health care and antiserum.

[connjamm]

there seems to be pissed oh rattle snakes in like half of your videos lo. Nice snakes, i very much enjoy the venom extraction videos!

[kyreptilezoo]

@connjamm ha ha that is probably true. We do have a lot of rattlesnakes here.

[theopat1999]

from what I heard there has never been a recorded bite from a inland taipan on a human is this true?

[kyreptilezoo]

@theopat1999 No, there have been a few though they are quite rare.

[TOMCATFAN]

I always thought sea snakes were the most potent snakes in theworld, but they hardly ever bite, it ever so it doesn't matter.

My cousing was tapped by a puff adder in South Africa, it only got him with one fang, but I was there to see the damage it done to him, amaizing stuff actually, took him ages to recover and they ended up amputating his finger.

[MrJeyzman]

yeah the inland taipan is the most venomous but it rarely bites humans unless you mistreat the inland taipan the inland taipan has enough venom to kill about 100-125 humans or as to say 25,000 mice the baby taipan's are more venomous because unlike the adults they release all their venom unlike the adult taipan's release only a drop of venom (sorry I like to do a lot of reaserch on venomous animals

[kyreptilezoo]

@MrJeyzman You are right except for the bit about juvelines-- more recent research than what you are quoting has shown that juveniles are able to control their venom just as an adult can.

[MrJeyzman]

yeah the inland taipan is the most venomous but it rarely bites humans unless you mistreat the inland taipan the inland taipan has enough venom to kill about 100-125 humans or as to say 25,000 mice the baby taipan's are more venomous because unlike the adults they release all their venom unlike the adult taipan's release only a drop of venom (sorry I like to do a lot of reaserch on venomous animals)

[yobro250]

@MrJeyzman Its the most venomous to MICE definitely not the most venomous to humans!!! Humans and mice vary greatly to toxins and actual studies show that the kraits[ bungarus] are the most toxic snakes to humans.

[MrGriser]

The most venomous is actually the Inland Taipan(Fierce Snake) there is a difference and I've read that King Browns are a lot deadlier than Coastal Taipans!

[kyreptilezoo]

@MrGriser Yes, inlands are more toxic. However, they very rarely bite people, limiting how dangerous they are. We did not say these are the most venomous. King browns vs. coastals are a toss up-- see our below statement regarding the origin of the title here.

[garyeorner]

Very nice Video my friend!

[kyreptilezoo]

Thanks.

[FischerFan]

If you take venom toxicity and multiply it by yield in a bite, the coastal taipan just might be the world's most formidable snake! On this scale, I'm sure the King Brown snake wouldn't be far behind.

One snake collector I've met said he saw a video in which the victim of a taipan bite described it as, 'like being hit with a crowbar'!

Have you obtained any information regarding the venom potency of the newly-discovered Central Ranges Taipan?

[kyreptilezoo]

Not yet.

[yobro250]

@FischerFan Their is no venom toxicity.... the venom toxicity is based on tests done on MICE and mice are completely different than humans.... to saw that since an inland taipan has the most toxic venom to mice makes it the most toxic venom to humans is incredibly ignorant and dumb. The most toxic snakes based on the records that I have read are one of the Bungarus species[ Kraits]. The taipans could probably be 2nd and the king brown isnt even top 20.

[kyreptilezoo]

The title of this video is base on the book by Paul Masci/Philip Kendall called The Taipan the World's Most Dangerous Snake. In truth the most dangerous is the one that bit you because it is the only one you have to deal with. Opinions vary as Kristen states in the video. Taipans because of their venom yield,potent venom and size are at the top as is the black mamba. But neither cause many envenomations. Aggressiveness is in my opinion defensiveness.

[MintyModF1]

Very bold statement.

Any venomous snake, which will not hesitate to bite and is found near people is dangerous. Echis sp, Puff Adders, Mambas and such all come down in that category.

[kyreptilezoo]

See below statement. Any snke that is venomous is dangerous because there are no degrees of death. A twenty-two bullet will kill you as quick as a 45 . Its all about bullet placement.

[Najakeeper]

That is a bold statement.

Inland taipan can be less dangerous but even an Echis sp. can be labeled more dangerous.

Nice video of a beautiful snake nevertheless.

[kyreptilezoo]

Not really this statement comes from a book that was written in the 90's about Taipans. Echis is dangerous because of poor medical treatment in areas they are in and number of bites. Stats show that with treatment recovery from Echis bites is good if the right antivenin is near by. Taipans like Black mambas were reported to be fatal 100% of the time if venom was injected before antivenin was developed. A percentage of Echis and Daboia do save without antivenin.

[Najakeeper]

Yet, the most defining component is the aggressiveness, the will to bite so to speak. Taipans are reclusive, shy snakes, they tend to escape in most cases. Human encounters are also rare but highly toxic viperids are more common, they stand their ground and bite willingly. With the potent venom, it makes them much more dangerous than any taipan in my opinion. Of course this debate is pointless, no snake can be "factually" labeled as the most dangerous.

[chiconspiracy]

I wish more people would pay attention to the medical data in regards to death rates without antivenin. Everyone clings to the LD50 mice scale, which don't add up to the actual fatality rates. If I remember right, eastern brown snakes have a 60-70% fatality rate without antivenin, yet are many times more toxic than the black mamba according to the LD50. I've even seen an Animal Planet show basing the top 10 "deadliest" snakes off the scale.

[Lesser0n3]

probably how you lost half your finger ??

[MintyModF1]

Coastal Taipans are primarily Haemotoxic, Nurotoxic and Cardio toxic, Jim lost half his finger to something else.

[kyreptilezoo]

The finger that most tissue is missing fron was from a weight bench.

[chestervas1984]

What about the O.microlepidotus?

[chiconspiracy]

@chestervas1984

What about it? The inland taipan has shorter fangs, has smaller venom yield, is smaller, and more docile in behavior. Just because a species has more toxic venom does not mean it's more dangerous than another.

[kyreptilezoo]

Inland taipans rarely bite anyone. Deaths from their bite are rare. Where the coastal taipan before antivenin caused many deaths.

[kyreptilezoo]

See below answer.