Do Catholics Have to Believe All that the Church Teaches?

[PInk77W1]

LONG LIVE THE POPE

[Hmm10023]

You need to do your research-- male priesthood is not a "doctrine." It's tradition, and traditions can be changed. Not everything in the CCC is a "doctrine." So quoting a paragraph number and citing it as "doctrine" is actually doing what you are arguing against-- making your version of the Church the only legitimate version of the Church. The Church is human, and infallibility has actually only been invoked 2x- in relation to Mary. Also, the Church does make mistakes.

[PInk77W1]

@Hmm10023 the church does not make mistakes in its official teaching. Just because infallibility has only been invoked 2x doesnt mean those 2 things are the only 2 doctrines. Where is a ref. for Tradition can b changed? Tradition is Sacred. And Paul clearly tells us to hold on to it in scripture. In 1959 i believe that the World Council of Churches asked Pope John to give up on Sacred Tradition. His answer was "if i did that i wouldnt b christian no more."

[elazar79]

I Only Believe In Christ Not His Crucifixion

[haojiesheng]

@elazar79 Mt 16:21-23. Lk 24:25-26.

[drdst17]

Yes, a faithful Catholics SHOULD believe everything the Church teaches! She has been around for almost 2000 years and has ALL AUTHORITY from Christ to be protected from error.

I used to be a "cafeteria" Catholic myself: I would pick and choose which teachings I liked and discarded the ones I didn't.

This is error: if you want to disagree with the Church, go be a Protestant - there are over 30,000 different heretical churches you can fall in line with -or start your own!

[kiwichristian2009]

@MsILOVEJESUS1 My friend, the catholic cult has never reversed this papal decree.

[kiwichristian2009]

the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.

[atuservicio100]

@kiwichristian2009 you have no idea of what Cathloic theology teaches,if you think what you wrote is true,your been fooled,but let me ask you just to know were your at,Do you take the first 5 chapters of Genisis literally??since you have so much info on wat the blesst RCC teaches tell me were in Cathloic documents like the catichisim or Vatican 2 does it says that are blesst Mother Mary saves thats one of many lies your pastor must of taught YOU

[kiwichristian2009]

@atuservicio100 My friend, i can provide official rcc proof for all the points i present along with Biblical proof that proves them to all be blatant LIES.

[atuservicio100]

@kiwichristian2009 the peace of are Lord Jesus Christ be with you.thanx for replying to my coment but you dindnt answer my q?or provided any proof.u also said that confesing sins to a priest is wrong,contrary to Scriptue i will prove you wrong but please give the vs were it saids not to confess your sins to any men could it be Jerm 17?are the first 5 chapters of Genisis literraly?whats the name of your sect...cult denomination congregation what ever u call it???

[asonofdominic]

@kiwichristian2009 A properly scientific view of evolution (vs. mere scientism) is not incompatible with a realistic view of creation. You need to understand that much of Genesis has to be understand as mythologically, not literally or historically, true. Nobody is saved except by the grace of God; however, there are many mediations proceeding from the one, sole mediation of Jesus Christ. Mainline Protestant scholarship no longer contests that Peter was "the rock" Jesus chose to lead the Church.

[kiwichristian2009]

"Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil; for no one may judge the Pope." —Pope Innocent III (1198-1216)

[TheChurchAuthentic]

If you disagree with the Catholic Church, change your mind!

[heroslyfe]

Watch the channel on YouTube called, bibleortraditions and lots of questions will b answered.

[jjny03]

Not helpful.

[chrisklecker]

Also those who think of those who follow the Vatican thus do not think for themselves is also mislead. RCC teaches that human nature involves both reason and will and anything that limits our reason and will is against the dignity of our human nature. you can thank Ockham's nominalism for the current mentality that only human thought without God is more free than reason and will with God. It's actually the exact opposite.

[chrisklecker]

Catholics who do not rely on the Vatican to tell them what to think also goes against the tradition of the church. Does anyone here not rely on teachers to teach them Physics or medicine? Then why is hard for a person to accept that there is a deposit of faith that has been given to those who have been asked to pass down the knowledge. During history this knowledge has been expanded and even distorted but in the end, the Vatican is only doing EXACTLY what we are used to, being an educator.

[chrisklecker]

The apologetic is not teaching this properly. Only that which has been infallibly taught, those things which are considered the doctrine of the faith or those that you are required to accept and believe. Women ordination is not an infallible teaching although it does appear in the CCC it is still not a doctrine of faith. You are not required to "believe" it infallibly but you should certainly not "teach" against it.

[bella50008]

NO...in fact it is more theologically sound if you do not believe most of what the RCC teaches.

[loudmouthspeaker]

hi well yes it is true ... if you dont believe all the church teaches you wont be saved..its like refuting purgatory..... catholics dont have to believe in that do you...

[Smetch]

It must suck to be bound by all that legalism.

[lookwutikilled]

the catechism (sp) is not scripture, it is the rules of the church. To be catholic you agree to the rules just like belonging to a golf club and agreeing not to wear shorts on the course

[Smetch]

Again, it must suck to be bound by all that legalism.

[judaemic]

@Smetch Which is exactly the type of religion Jesus so opposed. Plus that is why the orthodox church split from the Church. The Eastern Churches are more mystical while the Western Churches are more legalistic.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic Besides a gross simplification of the historical reality, you are gravely mistaken if you think that Eastern Orthodox Christianity is indifferent to dogma and discline. A distinction must be made between a healthy, proper, and necessary regard for truth and principle vs. legalism. Those who hide behind "mysticism" to evade responsibility and obedience are mystics indeed--what Thomas Merton identified as false mystics. (cf. _The Ascent to Truth_, T. Merton),

[ramseswraith]

you should do yourself a favor and throw it all out and think for yourself.

[JayZrob]

HEy everyone, the Pope ERASED LIMBO from the Catholic doctrine few years ago... What's next? Purgatory? Immaculate Conception? Are we going to blindly believe all this? READ the BIBLE... and you will see

[ahneong]

In Roman Catholic theology, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is an idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church or any other.

[ahneong]

On April 22, 2007, the advisory body known as the International Theological Commission released a document, originally commissioned by Pope John Paul II, entitled "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die without Being Baptized."[21]

[ahneong]

These theories are not official teaching of the Catholic Church, but are only opinions that the Church does not condemn, permitting them to be held by its members.

[JayZrob]

ok thanks for the info..

can you please tell me more theories the Catholic Church has? so I may be enlightened the next time.. Clearly Christians have misconceptions about these theories of Catholics, thinking them to be accepted doctrines, I would appreciate it. Thanks

[MrC921]

Scripture should also not be added to or taken away from - no church, whether it be Protestant or Catholic, can do that. Remember, if we hang on every word of someone, we're bound to make mistakes because that someone is faliable (besides Christ, of course). I consider myself a member of the Church of Christ "denomination," and there are some things in the CoC I have some disagreement with, though I believe most of the CoC is correct. What counts is my faith in GOD and Scripture- not a church.

[MrC921]

One thing that Christians of any denomination should avoid is blindly accepting just anything a church teaches. From Acts 17:11 - "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." So SCRIPTURE is the ultimate authority, not a catechism, confesison, minister, or leader.

[judaemic]

@MrC921 That was the downfall of the church. It did not occur till Augustines reign of Terror.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic What kind of ad hominem argument is that?!

[bacabu30]

This is stupid. It displays a lack of understanding of the RC Church.

[krezzykrezz]

Stupid? No. Uninformed? Yes! The problem with this video is that it fails to distinguish the hierarchy of truths and relationship between Scripture and Tradition. No teaching should be ignored or "torn out." But struggling with, doubting and questioning only shows a desire for truth. The minute you stop struggling is the minute you have closed your mind and heart to any new understanding. Faith builds on reason, it does not ask us to turn off our brains.

[haojiesheng]

Reason brought me to the Catholic Faith.

[cheesemonkey1990]

Yes! Fides et ratio.

[jamesy15]

what a load of hocus pocus, i cant believe that in this day and age you believe in this, your faith is full of corruption and scandal, peodo priests and vatican cover up,,,wise up

[superhypersugarkitty]

it's called confirmation. When you get confirmed, you CHOOSE to believe what the church teaches, not go off and believe what's convienient to you.

[judaemic]

@theblob34 Only the Fundamentalist Catholics. Luckily there are many Catholics moving past the Legalism and dogmas, and studying for themselves instead of relying on the Vatican to tell them how to think. But the Fundamentalist Thinkers are always out there to persecute the remnant of those who choose to study and think than just follow the Vatican. They give those people a nicname "Cafeteria Catholics". But the bible says that those who prefer truth to tradition would be persecuted.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic, Are you open to dialoging on this (if not, you do not qualify as a progressive)? You are making some rather broad generalizations and failing to make some important distinctions. The propositional style in this video is one that is favored by Fundamentalists but is not inherently Fundamentalist any more than logic is Fundamentalist. It's time that you learn to distinguish between liberalism and progressive Catholicism, cultural captivity vs.the spirit of reform.

[judaemic]

@asonofdominic I never said that EO never believed in church discipline. I just dont need someone else to get all dogmatic with me. OKAY. Im just doing observances from a biblical viewpoint.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic I will be happy to discuss with you what is biblical and, quite importantly, what constitute legitimate vs. illegimate ways of claiming to be biblical. It concerns me that you sound as if you do not love the Church, which, if true, is inconsistent with claiming to be an authentic follower of Jesus Christ (although it is possible to be sincere and misguided in this realm--at the cost of being unintentionally destructive & unwititngly opposed to God's will).

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic Please be aware that the most educated lay scholars and the most enlightened clerics in the Eastern Orthodox world have been moving toward a conciliatory stance and toward spiritual solidarity with Rome, not away. You do well to learn why rather than read the Petrine ministry in our times through jaded secularized lenses.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic Since you used the "H" word, then you must understand that I,too, hate heresies. I exercise my right and, indeed, obligation to challenge heresies and defend truth. Your own words and actions determine whether or not you are a true follower of Jesus. If you do not love the Church, there is indeed a moral & spiritual problem at stake, sense of personal injury & protests notwithstanding.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic I will add that it is not as you presume: I am not happy that you have disagreements with the other branches of Christianity because it appears that the basis of your disagreement is related to your disagreeableness toward the Catholic Church. There is an implicit stance as if you were Jesus judging the pharisees. Unfortunately, while I admire you trying to emulate Jesus, you sound more like a saducee in conflict with imagined pharisees.

[judaemic]

@asonofdominic I am open to dialogue. I hope I did not come off as being too much of a jerk. I have been counseling some people who have been spiritually abused by both Catholic priests, and Protestant ministers.

[asonofdominic]

@judaemic I appreciate your willingness to dialog instead of choosing the route of heated polemic. Nothing makes me more angry than abusive clerical behavior, not only the intolerable moral filth of sexual abuse but also any form of clericalism.because it is contrary to Jesus' teachings on servant leadership. I used to work for child protective services, have been personally affected by scandalous clerics, & now teach seminarians every chance I get to uphold objectivity & principle at all cost.

[kilaspy]

Matthew 16:27-28 For the son of man is going to come in his fathers glory with his angels, and he will reward each person according to what he has done. I TELL YOU THE TRUTH , SOME WHO ARE STANDING HERE NOW WILL NOT TASTE DEATH BEFORE THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN HIS KINGDOM.

Proverbs 14-15. The simple believeth every word....

[benaggreyfynn]

The Church is the pillar of Truth and Faith, so we have to believe in all the Church teaches. The church is guided by The Holy Spirit and so it is infallible and so we must believe in all the church believes and teaches.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless †

[seltian]

Amen!

[egv102]

this religion goes all the way back to egypt!

[seltian]

I mean no offense, but who told you that?

[markay9tyfawr]

mad sungod conspirancy retards :)

[seltian]

Please don't use the term "retard" like that.

You wouldn't laugh at a blind or crippled man. Why would you laugh at a retarded one?

[markay9tyfawr]

sorry.

[21crosscheck21]

Boy, that would make the Church pretty small. I am never sure I met a real Catholic. Not to say that I do not agree with John.

[haojiesheng]

You met one now. The answer to being a faithful Catholic is humility. To assume that one is wiser than a 2000 year old Church that has lived, breathed, and pondered the Gospel that entire time, is a true mark of arrogance to the point of delusion.

[seltian]

These are some good points. Keep it up. I just might subscribe to you.

[haojiesheng]

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[seltian]

I did. It's AWESOME!