There is no illusion in Goloka Vrindavan (10/13)

[broadgodd]

Srila Prabhupada says we were all originally in Krsna's pastimes and sports, It's sad that Jadarani is preaching  the complete opposite, misleading people.

[Leolopes108]

"The absolute truth is that the 'I' is perfect and complete; the real 'I' is spiritual and can therefore never be less than perfect; it can never have any lack, limitation, or disease."

- Charles Haanel

[madatardsmadre]

Not to get in an argument or anything, but you guys should refer to one Prabhupada memories video featuring Revatinandana. It might help clear up a few points.

[SuChandrakanta]

I know that person personally, he lives on this island. I hope you don't mind, but I really cannot count on that person's words being absolutely without mistakes, without illusion, without cheating propensity, or without the tendency to be in illusion.

[computermaster]

I've read some sites that say beyond Goloka is Paramdham- extending through the middle of Goloka- another supreme heaven- and this isn't mentioned in the Gita.

[SuChandrakanta]

Scripture is our greatest "Praman" (evidence). 3 qualities must be present at once for it to be true: 1. It must feel right in your heart, 2. It must be in the Scriptures like Srimad Bhagavatam, and Bhagavad Gita, and 3. a Bonafide Guru must also say it.  The sites might be wrong.

[computermaster]

But within Goloka is there not a askheet paramdham, as some sites say, which is beyond even Goloka?

[SuChandrakanta]

When you reach the outside of the material universe, that spiritual universe is called Vaikuntha where unlimited eternal planets float in a brilliant sky. Of all those planets, Goloka is by far, the largest and it is shaped like a lotus. On the Goloka planet Krishna Lila exist. But the most confidential part of that planet is in the middle of the lotus which is strictly Radha Krishna Conjugal in paramour mode. (it also simulteneously contains Gauranga lila) I haven't heard of akheet paramdham.

[SuChandrakanta]

Maybe I will ask a senior god brother or Gurudev himself.

[maxpayne2424]

Is Goloka Vrindavana the same place as paramdham 25 wings- with the extention being Govardhan Hill and Radha kunda?

[SuChandrakanta]

As far as I have learned, Goloka Vrindavan is the topmost spiritual planet beyond the thick covering of the material universe. It is the largest planet of all and it is shaped like a lotus flower.  Govardhan and Radhakund are included in Goloka Vrndavan.

[SuChandrakanta]

We come from Mahavishnu, Who is an expansion of another Vishnu, who is an expansion of Shankarshan, Who is an expansion of Baladev, Who is an expansion of KRishna. We don't NOT fall directly from Goloka Vrindavan.

[SuChandrakanta]

Chapter 8, Verse 28.

A person who accepts the path of devotional service is not bereft of the results derived from studying the Vedas, performing austere sacrifices, giving charity or pursuing philosophical and fruitive activities. At the end he reaches the supreme abode. -Bhagavad Gita

[SuChandrakanta]

Chapter 8, Verse 21.

That supreme abode is called unmanifested and infallible, and it is the supreme destination. When one goes there, he never comes back. That is My supreme abode.

[SuChandrakanta]

Chapter 8, Verse 15.

After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogis in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.

Chapter 8, Verse 16.

From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again.

[BakaTheCraneDemon]

Is Goloka Vrindavan a literal place or simply a state of being?

[SuChandrakanta]

Goloka Vrindavan is a place and state of being at the same time. It is outside the covering of the material universe. But when Krishna comes to the material world, He brings His associates, and dham with Him.