Q6: New York Times Columnist Nicholas D. Kristof Answers Viewers' Questions

[jontwest]

Your claim "you can't win people for your...anti-ideology" is false. In fact, several Muslims have told me they've decided to LEAVE Islam after debating it - despite death-threats they face because of Islam's current teaching on apostasy. (Not that you or Kristof care about death-threats Muslims face for leaving Islam, or that this teaching drives the bombings & abuse of Shi'as by Sunnis, and vice-versa.)

"Let others be" - if you really believe that, you will help stop Islam victimizing people.

[jontwest]

@denullifier are you claiming the Christians *don't* see their Jesus as opposed to stoning women? Or are you just blathering your ignorance again to signify that you count yourself with Kristof, in viewing Muhammad's enthusiastic stoning of women (still followed today) as a "liberated" view of women?

Is there no abuse of Muslims Islam could preach which you would condemn? My guess is you would give Islam a pass to kill and abuse any Muslim, or anyone else.

[jontwest]

I specifically asked your reaction to Islam’s explicit teaching of beating disobedient women. No response. When Islam is finally exposed on national TV, you will see how people who aren't psychopaths react, as the vast majority will be instantly disgusted. (Btw, you didn't ask me my feelings about normal "moderate" people indoctrinated into Islam.)

Re "cherry-picking" Youtube clips, I can't find your *non* cherry-picked clip 'Khalid Latif: Real men don't hit women' on Youtube. More info please.

[jontwest]

I want to examine Kristof’s claim Muhammad had "quite LIBERATED views" about women. To begin, Muhammad on stoning women.

Hadith of Sunan Abu-Dawud, 38 #4429

...THE PROPHET (pbuh) HAD A WOMAN STONED and a pit was dug up to her breasts.

Bukhari 60 #79

the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

[jontwest]

Now, one of the most important of the Christians' beliefs about their "Jesus" is he disapproved of an adulterous woman being stoned to death, & stopped the stoning with words made famous "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her."

This event is believed to have occurred 6 CENTURIES *before* Muhammad's killings, & was written of - approvingly - approx. 500 YEARS *before* Muhammad. So, on the issue of stoning women to death, Muhammad was significantly unreconstructed.

[jontwest]

A psychopath is "characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy". Your response to Islamic clerics calling for the beating of women is... nil. It clearly doesn't affect you, because you don't care about Muslims. You DO care about your pro-Islam ideology, & anyone who gets hurt simply doesn't matter.

As to your claim about "cherry-picking", please direct me to Islamic clerics preaching that women should NOT be beaten by men. If I had to "cherry-pick", then such clerics should be easy to find.

[jontwest]

So, you tacitly admit you have no problem with dozens of Islamic clerics appearing on public TV to teach millions of Muslims how to BEAT WOMEN, in accordance with the Qur'an. No surprise there - it fits my earlier claim: you psychopaths care about Islam, not Muslims.

There are those who are ignorant, and then there are the profoundly ignorant who are determined to remain so for ideological reasons, while they continue trying to protect those who viciously abuse human rights.

[jontwest]

Calm down & *check the facts*. You claim I "present an imbecile demonisation" of Islam's teachings on beating women. But I've only given you ISLAM'S texts. Please now view a variety of Islamic clerics appearing on public TV programs to influence millions of Muslims with regard to HOW TO BEAT WOMEN. See the playlist ‘Islam violence to women’ by scrolling down the r/h side of my channel. View the 9 clips, & tell me if you *really* care about women's rights - enough to demand Islam STOP THE ABUSE.

[jontwest]

While Islamic clerics appear on TV to convince millions of viewers that beating women is ok, and to convince Muslims that killing all Jews is an ultimate requirement of Islam, & to convince Muslim CHILDREN to "martyr" themselves, to teach the execution of gays, to teach that Muslim apostates should be killed etc, the best you have to offer is to accuse me of trying to "demonise another group's ideology".

I simply present Islam's CURRENT teachings, so the demonizing must come from Islam, & you.

[jontwest]

The question I asked "I'm opposed to the physical abuse of women Islam CURRENTLY preaches..how about you?" [For its currency, see playlist 'Islam violence to women' down the r/h side of my channel.]

You wrote 4 posts, yet couldn't bring yourself to agree. Instead you wrote "Islamic scholars should put emphasis on the non-violent interpretation." I've never heard of the non-violent interpretation of "scourge" or "beat", but I'm sure you've written to the ulema to suggest an *urgent* reform. Not.

[jontwest]

Well, we must let readers decide who’s the ignorant savage. To begin, I’m opposed to the physical abuse of women Islam CURRENTLY preaches –derived from the Qur’an verse I already quoted ("SCOURGE THEM"), and from the hadith which confirms Muhammad’s position, where he struck his child-bride Aisha:

Sahih Muslim 4, 2127

'.(the Holy Prophet)...said "Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I [Aisha] said: Yes. HE STRUCK ME ON THE CHEST WHICH CAUSED ME PAIN.'

How about you?

[jontwest]

Is it "hilarious" Muhammad wrote in his Qur’an -4.34

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to EXCEL the other..for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and SCOURGE THEM.."?

Your ignorance & savagery makes you good company for Kristof, proudly leaving Ayaan Hirsi Ali swinging in the wind with the entire religion of Islam’s DEATH THREAT hanging over her head. You witchhunter collaborators only care about Islam, not Muslims.

[jontwest]

Muhammad had "quite liberated views about the role of women"?! In fact, Islam's texts tell us Muhammad

- raped women, and had his Qur'an read that he was "not to BLAME" - i.e. acknowledging the crime

- said women were part of the "spoils of war" for his gang to indulge in raping and enslaving

- ordered they be kept under house-arrest

- ordered they cover up

- said women were mentally deficient

- had women stoned to death, chopped off their heads, & hands

- pursued a 6 yr old for "marriage" etc

[greenstarlite]

Of course you can't generalize about any group of people. I have heard a guy talk who came back from Iraq and he didn't hate Muslims so why should I?

[MikroBadass]

@SpooksAreDumb I had the pleasure of meeting him and his wife...it's people like him in this world who makes everyone aware of all the international situations occurring.....he interviewed face to face taliban members and taliban sympathizers, his plane crashed in congo, he is risking his life for the truth time after time 

[Awaisch008]

Buddy you can take snippets out as much as you want. I can do the same. Some translations of the Quran are not accurate. I am happy with my religion. I focus on the good of it. Just like there may be no convincing you that Islam is a good religion in general and when fully understood without preconceived opinions, the same is with me I cannot be convinced otherwise lol. but i think when you meet me on the street you should judge me as an individual and not hate. not saying that you do already.

[jontwest]

@Awaisch008 "I am happy with my religion" - are you happy that the TTP kill Pakistani Muslims in hospitals and refugee camps because Muhammad taught that it was GOOD to kill Muslim heretics? Muhammad's teachings of killing others HAVE TO STOP.

And yes, you could convince me that "Islam is a good religion", if teachings of killing Muslim apostates, "adulterers", homosexuals, atheists and blasphemers make for a good society. But as we both know, they don't - which is why you left Pakistan.

[Awaisch008]

Also I am a Muslim, but I believe firmly in the Quran. However the Hadith is something that I approach cautiously. Why, well because the Quran is said to have been protected by Allah Himself, whereas the Hadith has been passed down through man. Maybe many are accurate but Im not going to build my faith by relying on a few old men who wrote things down, and were considered to be pious. I am sure over time little changes and wrong interpretations were made. Nonetheless Islam is a religion of peace

[jontwest]

"Islam is a religion of peace". Kidding right?

Qur'an 9:5 ...FIGHT and SLAY the Pagans wherever ye find them

2:191 And SLAY THEM wherever ye catch them...

8:12 ...I will instill TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers: SMITE YE above THEIR NECKS and smite all their finger-tips off them.

9:14 FIGHT THEM, and Allah will punish them by your hands...

9.29 FIGHT THOSE who believe not in Allah...

Substitute "Muslim" in place of "Pagan" etc (e.g. FIGHT and SLAY the MUSLIMS) Does this promote peace?

[Awaisch008]

Also Nicholas just to add a little bit, many of the practices imposed on women in many Islamic countries are mere cultural and traditional practices backed by snippets from the Quran and Hadith. I come from Pakistan and even though I heart my culture, there are millions of things I would omit and get rid of. Muhammad p.b.u.h. said Education is mandatory on every man and women. a Reason: without education one cannot grasp the Quran. and that would help in ridding of self appointed mullahs.

[jontwest]

"practices imposed...are mere cultural and traditional practices"

Qur'an 4.34

MEN ARE IN CHARGE OF WOMEN, because Allah hath made the ONE of them to EXCEL THE OTHER...for those from whom ye fear rebellion...SCOURGE THEM...

2.223 YOUR WOMEN ARE A TILTH FOR YOU (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will...

4.24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) EXCEPT THOSE (CAPTIVES) whom your right hands possess...

33.33 ...STAY quietly IN YOUR HOUSES, and make not a dazzling display...

[jontwest]

Islam is explicit re women.

Qur'an 4.34

MEN ARE IN CHARGE OF WOMEN, because Allah hath made the ONE of them to EXCEL THE OTHER...for those from whom ye fear rebellion...SCOURGE THEM...

4.11

Allah directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the MALE, a portion equal to that of TWO FEMALES...

Bukhari 3,48,# 826

...The Prophet said "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to HALF of that of a man?" The women said "Yes" He said "This is because of THE DEFICIENCY OF A WOMAN'S MIND."

[jontwest]

As you imply, we mustn't confuse Islam with Muslims. Muslims are just ordinary people who have been labeled "Muslim" from birth without free choice, or full knowledge of all Islam stands for. Thus, some Muslims believe in equal rights for women. The problem is that any Muslim who studies Islam, and believes in taking the Qur'an literally, becomes corrupted in his views about women. This is why the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam refuses to acknowledge equal rights for women.

[jontwest]

Islam's texts tells us how Muhammad wrote RAPE into his Qur'an.

Sahih Muslim 8 #3432:

...Allah's Messenger (pbuh) sent an army to Autas...Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) seemed to REFRAIN from HAVING INTERCOURSE with CAPTIVE WOMEN because of THEIR HUSBANDS... Then Allah sent down regarding that

Qur'an 4.24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) EXCEPT THOSE (CAPTIVES) whom your right hands possess. IT IS A DECREE OF ALLAH FOR YOU.

[jontwest]

You say re Muhammad "He had quite liberated views about the role of women"

Qur'an 33.50

O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives...and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as SPOILS OF WAR

2.223

Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls...

33.33

And STAY quietly IN YOUR HOUSES, and make not a dazzling display...

Then pursued a 6 yr-old girl for "marriage" etc.

[nicoacuorg]

@jontwest Any Muslim who studies Islam and ... takes the Quran literally, becomes a true Muslim. Your statement misleads the uninformed to believe that there is such a thing as a peace-loving (with infidels) Muslim. They believe they are exiled from God if they ally themselves with disbelievers (Sura 3:28). There is no interpretation allowed here nor given anywhere in the Quran. It's either that or they are not Muslims.

[gevabar]

Most of the middle east muslim countries do not treat women right, you know it, i don't care what kind of spin the news or the president or any of the CNN media or new york times put it......i wish they didn't build the mosque near ground zero..but we need to respect there community otherwise they may kill us??? but they don't have to respect the ground zero.... that really makes sense.. this country is not going well right now

[nicoacuorg]

It amazes me that you would naively equate Islam to the blind man and the elephant. Islam is clearly explained in the Koran. Those who move away from the Koran are dissedents from their faith and not truly Islam. Pointing to the Koran to show the atrocities demanded from its followers is not making generalizations. It's pointing to the core of their faith and those who dissent are rebelling against it. Why didn't you make that point, Nicholas?

[yosyos77]

@nicoacuorg Quran texts are mostly subjected to interpretation and should be viewed in the context they were revealed. Quran was revealed in the course of like 20 years, verses were describing certain historical events and are not really meant to be applied in general...... to be continued

[jontwest]

Qur'an texts are NOT subjected to interpretation - this is the problem. As Muslim reformer Irshad Manji writes: "Only in Islam today is literalism mainstream".

For this reason (for example) Islamic (Sharia) Law still dictates that apostates (Muslims who leave Muhammad's religion) should be KILLED.

This is acted on by the Taliban, TTP, al-Qaeda, etc, who kill Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, & around the world, believing they are doing right in killing Muslims who aren't following true Islam.

[jontwest]

Further, your claim that "verses...are not really meant to be applied in general" is incorrect, because Muhammad taught that his Qur'an was dictated by "Allah" as a book for ALL humanity, to be used in ALL countries, FOR ALL TIME.

Thus, claims of "context" are only valid in the sense that we may need to read the verses before and after a verse, to fully understand the intent. But "context" is NOT valid if you're claiming that the Qur'an was only to be used for Muhammad's time and circumstances.

[yosyos77]

@nicoacuorg .... The extremists/full-of-hatred is the one who would pick a verse out of context and generalize it. Bin Laden had done this clearly (btw, the jast majority of Muslim scholars condemned that) and guess what even some of the educated American fellas are just doing exactly the same as Bin Laden did! to generalize quran texts, for the other reason, to sell Islam as the devil !

[nicoacuorg]

@yosyos77 Sura 3:28 states clearly: "The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution." The extremists are the true Muslims. Those who are exempted are those who avoid persecution. They are Muslim sleepers who lie and deceive now but are Muslims at heart. The others are not Muslims at all. You and I just don't know the difference.

[yosyos77]

@nicoacuorg Again, you are taking a verse out of context and want to generalize it.; a common propaganda technique. I urge you to try find answers to your question from a reliable resources. I am presuming you an educated person who seeks the truth for the sake of it and not otherwise.

[nicoacuorg]

@yosyos77 OK, I challenge you, then. Put Sura 3:28 into context for me. You will find that the only other context possible is that one should not take that particular Sura literally. But that solution is exactly what Sura 3:28 requires them to do. Muslims the world over have been cornered by Islam from which the only escape is to deny Islam. They cannot do that because in the 21st century they can be killed for dissenting. You cannot defend Islam no matter how hard you try.

[yosyos77]

@nicoacuorg The context is to find the historical event on which the verse were revealed, in this particular one, I made a quick search on Books and found it was related to the torture of Ammar Ibn Yasir where he escaped his death by saying bad things about the Prophet. So this is the context of the verse. There are also many verses that speaks that Muslims should treat non-muslims with fairness and love.

[yosyos77]

@nicoacuorg Here are a couple of verses that could shed some light :

60:8 God does not forbid you from being kind and acting justly towards those who did not fight over faith with you, nor expelled you from your homes. God indeed loves those who are just.

60:9 He only forbids you from making friends with those who fought over faith with you and banished you from your homes, and aided in your exile. Whoever makes friends with them is a transgressor.

[jontwest]

And Qur'an

5.72

They do BLASPHEME who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary"...Whoever joins other gods with Allah...the FIRE WILL BE HIS ABODE. There will for the WRONG-DOERS be no one to help.

5.73

THEY DO BLASPHEME who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily A GRIEVOUS PENALTY will befall the blasphemers among them.

[Islam's penalty for "blasphemy" is EXECUTION. Clearly not conducive to peace.]

[yosyos77]

@jontwest No, the verses talks about punishment in the next life. No verse, nor historical events, suggested that a non-muslim should be killed because of their faith that doesn't much the Islamic faith.

[jontwest]

Islam on killing non-Muslims because of their faith

9.29

FIGHT THOSE who do not believe in Allah...and HIS MESSENGER...out of those who have been given the Book, until they...are in a state of subjection.

And Hadith of Sahih Muslim 41, # 6985:

'Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (pbuh) as saying: "Judgment day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the MUSLIMS KILL THE JEWS..."

See 1st playlist on r/h side of my page 'Islamists admit hatred of Jews nothing to do with land'

[yosyos77]

@jontwest First verse is taken out of context, yes it WAS an order to fight back then when Muslims were being fought against, and when religions were spreading by conquest. No Islamic scholars would say this applies today. As a matter of fact, it was like 150 years ago when a famous Mufti of Egypt tackled that explicitly and said with the form of new modern nations, spreading Islam by conquest has no meaning.

[jontwest]

@yosyos77 context:

9.28 ...The idolaters only are UNCLEAN. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship...If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty...

9.29 FIGHT THOSE who do not believe in Allah...and his Messenger...until they...are in a state of subjection

9.30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah...Allah (Himself) FIGHTETH AGAINST THEM. How perverse are they!

[jontwest]

@yosyos77 so as you can see, Muhammad's idea was to subject everyone to Islam, and he justified this with talking of his disgust for non-Muslims, and said (or pretended "Allah" said) 'Allah himself fighteth against them'.

Islamic leaders all over the world STILL call for a world Caliphate over non-Muslims, and I can direct you to numerous youtube clips of Islamic clerics appearing on public TV to influence Muslims in this regard, if you deny it.

[yosyos77]

@jontwest Oh God ! A world Caliphate over non-Muslims !! Why don't they seek a Caliphate over Muslims countries first ?!!! Caliphate has little do with Islam as a matter of fact. Yeah I agree with you some Muslims would like to have Caliphate back, but this is just because, back then these kinda of Empires were powerful world leader and now they cry of spelled milk, but again, this has little to do with Islam as faith. It was once upon a time a political way of ruling empires, but not anymore.

[jontwest]

@yosyos77 I certainly agree with you not all Muslims want a Caliphate. But ISLAM (distinct from those raised as "Muslim" from birth, without free choice, or full knowledge of all Islam stands for) preaches world conquest.

E.g. 9.29 mentioned earlier, also

33.27

And He caused you to inherit THEIR LAND and THEIR HOUSES and THEIR WEALTH, and LAND YE HAVE NOT TRODDEN. Allah is ever Able to do all things.

Muslim 19 #4363:

...THE EARTH BELONGS TO ALLAH and HIS APOSTLE...

[yosyos77]

@jontwest As for the Hadith, (1) It is not an order for muslims to kill Jews ! It talks about what so called signs of the end of days, like Armageddon, a thing that both Jews and Christians believed alot of crazy things would happened, fights , appearance of Messiah and blah blah blah.

(2) Hadith in general , special the ones about the signs of end of days, are not really authentic and are not really CORE of Islamic faith.

[jontwest]

@yosyos77 1) Regarding the hadith calling for Muslims to KILL ALL JEWS - there are numerous clips demonstrating that this is STILL TAUGHT TODAY. Please see some of the 50 clips in my playlist 'ISLAM A QUASI-NAZI CULT' - the 2nd of my playlists on the right-hand side of my page.

2) Hadiths which inform CURRENT Islamic teachings must be seen as part of the CORE of Islam.

I ask you to reflect on the reasons you currently consider yourself "Muslim" - and think about why 5.5 BILLION people are not.

[yosyos77]

@jontwest (1) Antisemitism in Arab world is a long issue but it linked mainly to the Isreal-Arab conflict over Palestine. A clear evidence of the fallacy of you claim of "Islam orders Muslims to Kill all Jews" is the history of Andalus, Otommans , Iraq and Egypt until 1950's were Jews living in peace among Muslims.

[jontwest]

@yosyos77 no, anti-Semitism began when Muhammad wanted to take the wealth of Jewish tribes, and he had to justify stealing their land, their wealth, and raping their women, and taking their children for slaves. This is all detailed in Islam's OWN TEXTS. As I pointed out, Islamists ADMIT their hatred of Jews has nothing to do with Israel.

Jews and others have ALWAYS been abused under Islamic rule, and the belief about killing all Jews before "Judgment Day" can come is undeniably still current.

[yosyos77]

@jontwest As for Muhammad incidents with Jews,yes he fought against them, only when they did and tried to kill him, exactly the same with other enemies around the peninsula. You should clearly know they had treaty with him and they broke it first.

Speaking of the abuse of Jews,nope,if you want to put it on correct context, you would say minorities were usually discriminated against though out the the history, yet the rise of Islam gave them much better treatment supported historical evidences.

[jontwest]

Another raid on Jews, with more slaves, plunder, and raping:

Ibn Ishaq:

'...Now the Apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their WOMEN and CHILDREN, to the MUSLIMS, reserving ONE-FIFTH FOR HIMSELF. ...The Apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to BARTER THEM as SLAVES in exchange for horses and camels.

The Apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Ray­hana, FOR HIMSELF, and she remained with him AS HIS SLAVE until she died.'

[yosyos77]

@jontwest Why I am a Muslim, partly because I raised as such, yet I am convinced of it. ! I .As for why other 5.5 billions are not, well, this goes well with my faith, God has created us different and if he wish, he would make us same.

49:13 O men, We created you from a male and female, and formed you into nations and tribes that you may recognise each other. He who has more integrity has indeed greater honour with God. Surely God is all-knowing and well-informed.

[jontwest]

@yosyos77 yes, almost all religious people are simply "raised that way". The only problem is, the 5.5 billion people who are not Muslim, believe that Muhammad was either a liar in his claim to have spoken with "Allah", or delusional. (As billions think 'Jesus' was delusional or a liar)

A problem arises though, because Islam teaches EXECUTION for those who don't respect Muhammad. Clearly this needs to change.

I'm surprised you say you're "convinced" of Islam, when it contains obvious errors.

[jontwest]

The Qur'an is demonstrably false. A couple of examples

96.2 "Created man, out of a (mere) CLOT of congealed BLOOD"

[They didnt have microscopes, so knew nothing about the egg and spermatozoa.]

And 27.18 'Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants an ant exclaimed "O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving".

Talking ants?!! Primitive people revealed their ignorance in their imaginings. A "god" wouldn't make such laughable errors in writing a book.

[yosyos77]

@jontwest I am all ready to convert if I find enough proofs of these ERRORS as you claim, Islam teaches me to seek the truth whatever they are, it also teaches me to read and gain knowledge, I will happy to keep conversation going but better to take it offline, cuz I can't keep tracking this way, feel free to contact me thru my inbox if you wish, at least to show me these obvious errors !

[nicoacuorg]

@yosyos77 With your, and Islam deniers, rhetoric, you are misleading the people. Mohammad was never a man of peace. Those who did not convert to Islam were killed, period. Strictly in accordance with the Quran, which is still in force today.

Stop misleading the people in believing Islam is a religion. It is a social-political belief system, just like communism, fascism, and socialism.

[yosyos77]

@nicoacuorg you can put these stuff you say into test and go ask a couple of middle east experts and/or historians. Just for your record, One hundred million non-Muslims are presently living in Muslim countries.

[nicoacuorg]

@yosyos77 And how does the fact that 100 million non-Muslims that live in Muslim countries change anything? The Quran gives the Muslim liberty to tollerate infidels, as they had for centuries even Jews, but Muslims are still required to not ally themselves with infidels. Non-Muslims living in M countries have to accept Sharia law and the totalitarian rule of Islam. Speak to experts that are non Muslim who are not bound by Sura 3:28 and you will hear the truth.

[jontwest]

You are wrong to suggest "Muslim scholars condemned" bin Laden. In fact, 9/11 was celebrated around the Islamic world - noted by (now) ex-Muslims Ayaan Hirsi Ali, & Nonie Darwish. As the Grand Mufti of Australia stated:

"September 11 is God's work against oppressors...if we ask the giant that fell: 'Who humiliated you?' Or if we ask the president: 'Who made you cry?' God is the answer."

Imam Rauf (GZ Mosque) said "...the United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

[yosyos77]

@jontwest What about mufis in the other 50 muslim counties ?! No sir, the vast majority of muslim scholars condemned that. If you want to take a couple of incidents and generalized them on all Islamic Faith, it is up to you but again, this is just propaganda.