and 3: you can't make money selling water as fuel. who' s putting any pressure on the auto makers? not the government: they make 11 cents from every dollar spent on gas.
i suggest you first experiment it for yourself; i gained from 18 to 27mpg, using one hho system in my van, but not the kind of toy you see in this video...
@noimw Now hear this, [conservative estimate] there are over 1 trillion barrels of oil in the ground. At over $110 a barrel, that's over $1.1 trillion dollars of oil business yet to be done. GM, Ford, Chrysler, along with other carmakers, collectively, have billions of dollars invested in the oil companies, and until that that business is done, we will have neither electric, nor hydrgen cars on a large scale. bad gas mileage equals millions of dollars in
Basically the system uses electricity to produce hydrogen at the cost of a bit extra fuel consumption. Assuming adding hydrogen to engine boosts fuel efficiency (which I doubt), the hydrogen may ignite before even #85 gas would do during compressing phase so potentially it screws up the timing of the ignition, and the product--water is not good for engine and exhaust system. Watch out for unwanted pop or explosion if you do proceed. Anyone tested it? Who can share real data??
actually it seems more likely from the gas analysers I've seen put to these tests that what you are doing is creating a more efficient burn of the primary fuel mix ie no wasted, unburnt fuel, thereby reducing emissions and getting more power!
@Boyntonstu If an engine produces 200 peak h.p., then it's avg. output in normal driving conditions should be around 100 h.p. If hydrogen generators [properly built & installed] increase mileage by an avg. of 10-35%, which has been verified by hundreds of individuals in pratical demos, that is at least a 10 h.p. increase. In your own estimates, that's 28 watts input, producing 10 additional h.p., or 7,460 watts ouput, I'd say that's a pretty good investment, wouldn't you!
Just an observation, but why do these bozos always use an old canning jar from grandmas attic?
Electrolysis ALWAYS takes more energy than it can return. Have you ever seen how much hydrogen and oxygen gas you actually get from this process? The tiny little stream of bubbles would do NOTHING except convert back to tiny droplets of water inside your cylinders....what a wonderful idea.
@MyRant Once bonds are broken by electrolysis, H2O is no longer H2O .. so no, it will not convert back to water because it's not water. Once the H is burned , THEN is converted to water. Plus it's too hot in there for water to form anywhere.
Many skeptics actually don't listen and think you are running your car on water! If I understand the process, it is simply using electrolysis to generate the HHO gas and it is then sucked into the air intake, making the gasoline burn more efficiently.
I have seen skeptics say that it takes more energy to produce the HHO gas than its power output. But in my view the alternator is already producing the energy anyway, this system just taps in to it. My only concern of this process is how it affects the engine, I have seen an auto mechanic say it ruins the pistons.
The alternator is not "producing energy anyway" so by saying this you are actually helping the opposite team... know your facts before you make comments!
Yes it does. The battery is used for the 'cranking amps' to start the car, then the alternator recharges the battery. The alternator also has a voltage regulator that senses the needs of the electrical system and adjusts how much current it outputs to maintain proper operation of fans, AC, ignition coils, ect. So the less draw on the system the less output the alternator needs to maintain.
All I am saying is that the alternator HAS the ability to supply the amps needed for an HHO sytem.
The energy coming to you alternator is provided by the petrol you are burning. So if you start adding load to you alternator (through the battery), it is just going take more energy from the petrol so it can split the hydrogen.
And then there is the problem of energy-loss left, right and centre. Heat from the alternator, engine, wires etc. All this waste. You are not going to get enough return from the hydrogen for your car to run more 'efficiently'
Good point on the heat losses. I differ on the increase in petrol though, it would be negligible. In short, the alternator is a fixed stator with a rotating magnet in the center of which is driven by the belt from the engine. This rotating magnet induces an electric field which is present as long as the rotor is moving, regardless of the current draw from that field, at least until the maximum rating of the alternator is reached at which point the electric field would break down.
Yeah, that was a much better description of the working of the Alternator than I could've given... My real point is that the energy used to separate the hydrogen HAS to come from somewhere. If the battery is constantly being drained by the Hydrogen separator then you are creating a larger potential difference which means more current, and a greater magnetic field strength and this means more energy is taken from the engine? Conservation of energy dictates that this wont work? Can you explain?
well if you knew anything about electrolysis, you could actually tell him why that happens, but since you haven't done enough research, then the ironoxide leaching from the ss is normal for you. Along with heat.
That the system is turning red and muddy is normal. That is the reaction of the catalyst with the electricity. I clean mine about once a month but it is not necessary. Only refill when the fluid has gone down a bit. Make sure also you are using pure distilled water. Steamed water is not distilled water.
Common sense test 3: We're trying to save water, not use it to go to the grochery store. duh
agensarah123 2 years ago
*REALITY CHECK*
Hydrogen & Oxygen by means of electrolysis of water was done by William Nicholson and Anthony Carlisle in about 1800.
Ford, GM and Chrysler are all under pressure to make vehicles more efficient (Better Gas Mileage).
How come no new cars have HHO Generators ?
Common Sense Test: 1. They don't know about it. OR 2. It does not increase gas Mileage.
noimw 3 years ago
and 3: you can't make money selling water as fuel. who' s putting any pressure on the auto makers? not the government: they make 11 cents from every dollar spent on gas.
i suggest you first experiment it for yourself; i gained from 18 to 27mpg, using one hho system in my van, but not the kind of toy you see in this video...
pgpeachess 3 years ago
your so fucking stupid.
xXwhygodwhyXx 2 years ago
@noimw Now hear this, [conservative estimate] there are over 1 trillion barrels of oil in the ground. At over $110 a barrel, that's over $1.1 trillion dollars of oil business yet to be done. GM, Ford, Chrysler, along with other carmakers, collectively, have billions of dollars invested in the oil companies, and until that that business is done, we will have neither electric, nor hydrgen cars on a large scale. bad gas mileage equals millions of dollars in
sidrojoe 1 month ago
Basically the system uses electricity to produce hydrogen at the cost of a bit extra fuel consumption. Assuming adding hydrogen to engine boosts fuel efficiency (which I doubt), the hydrogen may ignite before even #85 gas would do during compressing phase so potentially it screws up the timing of the ignition, and the product--water is not good for engine and exhaust system. Watch out for unwanted pop or explosion if you do proceed. Anyone tested it? Who can share real data??
Yaoding 3 years ago
To you and to all HHO generator enthusiast/sellers:
How many Amps/Watts does your in car generator use?
My guess, 2 Amps at 14 Bolts or 28 Watts.
Remember 746 Watts is needed to produce 1HP (ONE HORSEPOWER).
Does the HHO output produce more Watts when burned in the engine than the Watts consumed in your HHO generator?
If the answer is yes, congratulations! You have just invented perpetual motion!
Boyntonstu 3 years ago
actually it seems more likely from the gas analysers I've seen put to these tests that what you are doing is creating a more efficient burn of the primary fuel mix ie no wasted, unburnt fuel, thereby reducing emissions and getting more power!
No over-unity ot perpetual motion implied!!
girlpower351 3 years ago
@Boyntonstu If an engine produces 200 peak h.p., then it's avg. output in normal driving conditions should be around 100 h.p. If hydrogen generators [properly built & installed] increase mileage by an avg. of 10-35%, which has been verified by hundreds of individuals in pratical demos, that is at least a 10 h.p. increase. In your own estimates, that's 28 watts input, producing 10 additional h.p., or 7,460 watts ouput, I'd say that's a pretty good investment, wouldn't you!
sidrojoe 1 month ago
@sidrojoe
Facts and claims never begin with "If".
If pigs could fly....
"which has been verified by hundreds of individuals in pratical (sic) demos"
Please cite one verification, tested by independent evaluation.
Boyntonstu 1 month ago
Just an observation, but why do these bozos always use an old canning jar from grandmas attic?
Electrolysis ALWAYS takes more energy than it can return. Have you ever seen how much hydrogen and oxygen gas you actually get from this process? The tiny little stream of bubbles would do NOTHING except convert back to tiny droplets of water inside your cylinders....what a wonderful idea.
MyRant 3 years ago
Because the container isn't the deciding factor. The 10-50% increase in mileage is what matters.
Evidently you haven't tried the product or you would know it works.
mwd1957 3 years ago
Why cant i thumb down your comment?
Are you.. special?
Have you tried the product?
tagdamoon 3 years ago
@MyRant Once bonds are broken by electrolysis, H2O is no longer H2O .. so no, it will not convert back to water because it's not water. Once the H is burned , THEN is converted to water. Plus it's too hot in there for water to form anywhere.
InfiniteGravity 1 month ago
Many skeptics actually don't listen and think you are running your car on water! If I understand the process, it is simply using electrolysis to generate the HHO gas and it is then sucked into the air intake, making the gasoline burn more efficiently.
CitizenCS 3 years ago
I have seen skeptics say that it takes more energy to produce the HHO gas than its power output. But in my view the alternator is already producing the energy anyway, this system just taps in to it. My only concern of this process is how it affects the engine, I have seen an auto mechanic say it ruins the pistons.
CitizenCS 3 years ago
The alternator is not "producing energy anyway" so by saying this you are actually helping the opposite team... know your facts before you make comments!
girlpower351 3 years ago
Yes it does. The battery is used for the 'cranking amps' to start the car, then the alternator recharges the battery. The alternator also has a voltage regulator that senses the needs of the electrical system and adjusts how much current it outputs to maintain proper operation of fans, AC, ignition coils, ect. So the less draw on the system the less output the alternator needs to maintain.
All I am saying is that the alternator HAS the ability to supply the amps needed for an HHO sytem.
CitizenCS 3 years ago
I think you are forgetting a few things:
The energy coming to you alternator is provided by the petrol you are burning. So if you start adding load to you alternator (through the battery), it is just going take more energy from the petrol so it can split the hydrogen.
And then there is the problem of energy-loss left, right and centre. Heat from the alternator, engine, wires etc. All this waste. You are not going to get enough return from the hydrogen for your car to run more 'efficiently'
emanonami 3 years ago
Good point on the heat losses. I differ on the increase in petrol though, it would be negligible. In short, the alternator is a fixed stator with a rotating magnet in the center of which is driven by the belt from the engine. This rotating magnet induces an electric field which is present as long as the rotor is moving, regardless of the current draw from that field, at least until the maximum rating of the alternator is reached at which point the electric field would break down.
CitizenCS 3 years ago
Yeah, that was a much better description of the working of the Alternator than I could've given... My real point is that the energy used to separate the hydrogen HAS to come from somewhere. If the battery is constantly being drained by the Hydrogen separator then you are creating a larger potential difference which means more current, and a greater magnetic field strength and this means more energy is taken from the engine? Conservation of energy dictates that this wont work? Can you explain?
emanonami 3 years ago
i have read about converting your car to pure water and stuff, would this rust your pistons or anything like that?
TRpresident 3 years ago
well if you knew anything about electrolysis, you could actually tell him why that happens, but since you haven't done enough research, then the ironoxide leaching from the ss is normal for you. Along with heat.
mielectric1 3 years ago
can you tell I'm useing your system and the water is turning red and as well muddy! what should i do!
growlo2 3 years ago
Hi,
That the system is turning red and muddy is normal. That is the reaction of the catalyst with the electricity. I clean mine about once a month but it is not necessary. Only refill when the fluid has gone down a bit. Make sure also you are using pure distilled water. Steamed water is not distilled water.
mwd1957 3 years ago