willcong: If it weren't for USA, they'd be speaking German in England and in western Russia. You need to learn history. England was on her knees and western Russia had fallen. It was "the arsenal of democracy" that saved the Alllies' ass.
Four months of failure, because of arrogance, and countless lives lost. To think not only how many of our lives, and those of our allies might have been saved by the crippling northern push as suggested by Montgomery, but also the lives of the many Jews who were slaughtered in the time wasted on political, and vectorial pride.
willconq- You are SO right. As far as allies go Hitler was a sure loser from early '41 onwards. The Japs and Italians were dangerous, but more of a nuisance than a real threat to the Allies. Japanese made a HUGE mistake taking on the USA! Japanese should have rapidly sought an armistice or peace treaty following their defeat at Midway. After Midway losses the Japanese were basically out of the game.
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No americans would have been needed, the brits stopped the advance of germany into west and when hitler invaded russia that was it. Russians didnt need any lends or leases and after the invaison brittain could have sit on her rock for some 4 years and let the russians do the job, wich they did!
Pummi94 (1 week ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Spam No americans would have been needed, the brits stopped the advance of germany into west and when hitler invaded russia that was it. Russians didnt need any lends or leases and after the invaison brittain could have sit on her rock for some 4 years and let the russians do the job, wich they did!
The english didnt need us? Dont forget about Dunkirk. They tried invading France on their own and failed miserably. Market Garden was an amazing brit success as well. The americans came to britain, fucked all the british girls, hopped on boats and planes on june 6th and got shit done. In fact, they should of just kept going east and taken care of russia. Thats why Patton was killed
The Dieppe operation was a costly learning lesson for brits and canadians,and also a sign to stalin(who desperately wanted a 2 front) that britain was not capable for an invaison.
Other thing if america had declared war on russia i think the russians had won, man power, production, more will, bigger land, vast reasourcess, technology.
the russians had won, not easily but still.
One question how does dunkirk relate to this??? I sure didnt know of any american ships in that operation
suppose the russian succeeded on defeating the germans without the allies. u wud have a communist domination over europe with a dictatorial rule. hows that for a nazi version only they are communist?
are you kidding me? it would not be how you said a "nazi europe just a communist version" thats a load because 1 no one would be able to get rich you could under facist laws their would be no jew genocide under facist laws it was encouraged under communism you work solely for the government under facist you worked for your living under communism the slightest breez of supposed "treason" was punishable by death under facist you had some right to a certain extent do you see where im going?
We've got Kasserine Pass, y'all have Dieppe. Matter of time, my ass. Britain held Egypt before the war. It had a far greater supply base in North Africa than the Germans, who had no colonies there (and the Italians were next to worthless), so it could be expected that the British would ultimately win there. Europe was completely different. The Germans held air superiority over the continent until 1944. Without America providing 3x as many troops as Britain, there's no way Britain wins the war.
Im not saying that you yanks didnt do anything in the war but sat out of it for almost 3 years while we got rid of the heavy shit for you guys. Canadians did Dieppe,with enermous casulties almost the same as Omaha and the Russians had Stalingrad, and G.B. had the Battle of Britain.
WTF? We got there in 1942. The Allies were still losing the war then. Y'all hadn't gotten rid of any "heavy shit" for us because that was all still to come in 1943-45. Dieppe was a massive failure that achieved absolutely nothing and all the Battle of Britain did was secure air superiority over Britain itself. And let's be clear about something else: it was us doing stuff for you, not the other way around. Most Americans wanted nothing to do with any war in Europe after the clusterfuck of WWI.
That was my point, dumbass. You talk about how y'all "got rid of the heavy shit" for us, but your war effort in Europe was mostly a failure before we showed up. And if you want a be a prick about this stuff, it was 2.5 years before we got involved because we were tired of getting involved in European wars that had nothing to do with us.
Im sorry you didnt have to get involved YOUR PRESIDENT CHOOSE THAT and knowing Rooselvelt he was a very intelligent person. The Japs attacked u not the nazis so ur president problably saw meaning in defeating evil in europe and bringing back democracy asshole.
Dude, stop being a prick. I don't have a problem with the fact that we took out the Nazis. I'm just telling you why we didn't rush over to Europe in 1939. We were still pissed off about the last stupid war y'all got us involved in.
Ha! you are both arguing over the who was the biggest of the small fry it may hurt your pride but it was the russians who finished the germans with our help. The first german disasters were on the steppes at Stalingrad & Kursk. But to help you settle it there was no way that england had the capacity to defeat germany on it's own despite the valiant nature of it's efforts!
LOL It's not about pride, it's about the truth. The first German disaster was the Battle of Britain (before Hitler even attacked Russia) and without Western aid, the Soviet Union wouldn't have survived the first year of the war. Beyond that, they wouldn't have been able to drive back the Germans if the western Allies hadn't been bombing Germany, destroying its ability to replace its losses in the East. It may hurt Russian pride, but without the West, the Soviets would have lost.
Truth!...Well perhaps you should study your history a bit more closely. The BoB was a setback for the Luftwaffe not a disaster, it only ended when the bomber units withdrew for Barbarossa which led to a war on two fronts which was a disaster for Germany. The allied aid convoys were a drop in the bucket compared to the needs of the russian war machine & there were only 6 in 1941 (the first of which only had 6!!!! ships) before the russian saved themselves in the winter offensive.
Well the BoB was a setback for the Luftwaffe not a disaster, it ended when the air units withdrew for Barbarossa which led to a war on two fronts which was a disaster!
The convoys were a drop in the bucket compared to the needs russia's war machine The aid only really kicked in later in the war with US trucks providing added mobility for russian armies.
The allied bombing effort only started to hit it's stride in late 1943 & by then Germany's fate was sealed ie Stalingrad & Kursk.
The Allied Convoys were a ''Drop in the bucket'' were they? Almost all of the supply trucks for example of the Soviet Divisions advancing on Berlin were American Lease Lend!! There was also lots of other vital equipment that the western allies supplied to the Soviet Union....The Germans Soldiers didn't think very much of the Russian Soldiers....Most of them thought they were just outnumbered rather than beaten!!
Yes they were in the beginning compared to the vast requirements of russia's armies & if you actually read the comment, I specifically mentioned the trucks from lend lease being beneficial to russian mobility but late in the war when the outcome had well & truly been decided. Also the germans came to respect the toughness of soviet soldiers if not perhaps the way they were led & routinely sacrificed by ruthless & sometimes inept generalship.
But you are right that a lot of equipment was beneficial especially things like advanced gunsights for planes & the like I read an account where previously soviet pilots had painted circles on the cockpit glass to help them aim!
does any one know the name of the song/Hymn at 1.21 ??
thebritish25 6 months ago
@thebritish25 Balulalow (Edward Harris- Treble) Benjamin Britten. Used Shazam on my iPhone. Its avalible in the iTunes store.
JimmyThaCop 4 months ago
80T were killed, holy Crap...
TheElephant79 7 months ago
All for one for freedom
euroislamable 10 months ago
didnt know they had M1A1 abram tanks in the winter of 1944.. (1.54)
teddythebenny 11 months ago
@teddythebenny an Abrams lol that's an M10 tank destroyer
Anders2185 9 months ago
@Anders2185 ah tanks (thanks), it took a month ... LOL
teddythebenny 9 months ago
@teddythebenny yeah i don't tend to reply to posts a month or so old, but yours was the only non-retarded argumentative post i saw lol
Anders2185 9 months ago
Where can i find the soundtrack of this serie? is amazing, im searching everywhere to know who made it but cant find.
rmlpaschoarelli 1 year ago
Anyone know what they're singing at 1:25? It's beautiful yet haunting in contrast to what's happening.
nerdbomb07 1 year ago
willcong: If it weren't for USA, they'd be speaking German in England and in western Russia. You need to learn history. England was on her knees and western Russia had fallen. It was "the arsenal of democracy" that saved the Alllies' ass.
thoumaturgica 1 year ago
@thoumaturgica
if the Engish dident have radars when the germans was attacing England via airplaines. would the fermans have won that battle
qludse 1 year ago
@thoumaturgica Hollywood is NOT a reliable history source!
181183R20710 1 year ago
Four months of failure, because of arrogance, and countless lives lost. To think not only how many of our lives, and those of our allies might have been saved by the crippling northern push as suggested by Montgomery, but also the lives of the many Jews who were slaughtered in the time wasted on political, and vectorial pride.
He11bone 1 year ago
I never knew American Generals were such stubborn assholes.
ShitList2010 2 years ago
you should meet some of our officers
SuperMachinegunner 2 years ago
i feel sorry for the common soldier on all sides. In war there are no winners
dragonkilla7 2 years ago 4
Let's get this straight: No America=No Victory; No Russia=No Victory; No Britain=No Victory
willconq 3 years ago 22
That's a fiar compromise. So many people (including me until now) believe that their side was the most crucial
englishfrenchgerman 2 years ago
Stalin said that Britain supplied the time, America the money and Russia the blood. Each side had a huge role to play
twatkins111 2 years ago
willconq- You are SO right. As far as allies go Hitler was a sure loser from early '41 onwards. The Japs and Italians were dangerous, but more of a nuisance than a real threat to the Allies. Japanese made a HUGE mistake taking on the USA! Japanese should have rapidly sought an armistice or peace treaty following their defeat at Midway. After Midway losses the Japanese were basically out of the game.
randy95023 2 years ago
@willconq American Braun, Russian blood and British brains! :P
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
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No americans would have been needed, the brits stopped the advance of germany into west and when hitler invaded russia that was it. Russians didnt need any lends or leases and after the invaison brittain could have sit on her rock for some 4 years and let the russians do the job, wich they did!
Pummi94 3 years ago
Pummi94 (1 week ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Spam No americans would have been needed, the brits stopped the advance of germany into west and when hitler invaded russia that was it. Russians didnt need any lends or leases and after the invaison brittain could have sit on her rock for some 4 years and let the russians do the job, wich they did!
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Churchill thought we were needed.
Hobbescatstubbytai 3 years ago
The english didnt need us? Dont forget about Dunkirk. They tried invading France on their own and failed miserably. Market Garden was an amazing brit success as well. The americans came to britain, fucked all the british girls, hopped on boats and planes on june 6th and got shit done. In fact, they should of just kept going east and taken care of russia. Thats why Patton was killed
axb975 3 years ago
The Dieppe operation was a costly learning lesson for brits and canadians,and also a sign to stalin(who desperately wanted a 2 front) that britain was not capable for an invaison.
Other thing if america had declared war on russia i think the russians had won, man power, production, more will, bigger land, vast reasourcess, technology.
the russians had won, not easily but still.
One question how does dunkirk relate to this??? I sure didnt know of any american ships in that operation
Pummi94 3 years ago
truman would of used the bomb
axb975 3 years ago
first ye need to get over moscow to "drop the bomb"
Is it too much asked to ansewre my question on dunkirk mr axb?
Pummi94 3 years ago
Dunkirk? No invasion happened there noob. That was the site of major and successful evacuation.
kimholzman 2 years ago
suppose the russian succeeded on defeating the germans without the allies. u wud have a communist domination over europe with a dictatorial rule. hows that for a nazi version only they are communist?
sweetasflip 2 years ago
are you kidding me? it would not be how you said a "nazi europe just a communist version" thats a load because 1 no one would be able to get rich you could under facist laws their would be no jew genocide under facist laws it was encouraged under communism you work solely for the government under facist you worked for your living under communism the slightest breez of supposed "treason" was punishable by death under facist you had some right to a certain extent do you see where im going?
WrestleFan1993 2 years ago
bloody yanks allways have to go take all the glory
rob9191 3 years ago
Well, when we've got three times as many troops in the fight as the British...
battleax86 3 years ago
they shouldve listened to monty right from the start....
tomgriffin12 3 years ago
one example such as Market Garden was enough...
crogool 3 years ago 5
Well that sucks the british were fighting since 1939 then america comes along and takes the glory... Americans should be ashamed
DavidMed58 3 years ago
Ashamed of what? The British were losing the war before we came in.
battleax86 3 years ago
wtf r u dumb? they defeated rommel in north africa before you guys did kasserine pass it was just a matter of time
DavidMed58 3 years ago
We've got Kasserine Pass, y'all have Dieppe. Matter of time, my ass. Britain held Egypt before the war. It had a far greater supply base in North Africa than the Germans, who had no colonies there (and the Italians were next to worthless), so it could be expected that the British would ultimately win there. Europe was completely different. The Germans held air superiority over the continent until 1944. Without America providing 3x as many troops as Britain, there's no way Britain wins the war.
battleax86 3 years ago
Im not saying that you yanks didnt do anything in the war but sat out of it for almost 3 years while we got rid of the heavy shit for you guys. Canadians did Dieppe,with enermous casulties almost the same as Omaha and the Russians had Stalingrad, and G.B. had the Battle of Britain.
DavidMed58 3 years ago
WTF? We got there in 1942. The Allies were still losing the war then. Y'all hadn't gotten rid of any "heavy shit" for us because that was all still to come in 1943-45. Dieppe was a massive failure that achieved absolutely nothing and all the Battle of Britain did was secure air superiority over Britain itself. And let's be clear about something else: it was us doing stuff for you, not the other way around. Most Americans wanted nothing to do with any war in Europe after the clusterfuck of WWI.
battleax86 3 years ago
Yes, three years and Dieppe proved that weren't ready to invade Europe you fucking asshole.
DavidMed58 3 years ago
That was my point, dumbass. You talk about how y'all "got rid of the heavy shit" for us, but your war effort in Europe was mostly a failure before we showed up. And if you want a be a prick about this stuff, it was 2.5 years before we got involved because we were tired of getting involved in European wars that had nothing to do with us.
battleax86 3 years ago
Im sorry you didnt have to get involved YOUR PRESIDENT CHOOSE THAT and knowing Rooselvelt he was a very intelligent person. The Japs attacked u not the nazis so ur president problably saw meaning in defeating evil in europe and bringing back democracy asshole.
DavidMed58 3 years ago
Dude, stop being a prick. I don't have a problem with the fact that we took out the Nazis. I'm just telling you why we didn't rush over to Europe in 1939. We were still pissed off about the last stupid war y'all got us involved in.
battleax86 3 years ago
What Dieppe achieved was hard lessons learnt in blood that led to the allies choosing normandy rather than the Pas De Calais
vonconeon 3 years ago
Ha! you are both arguing over the who was the biggest of the small fry it may hurt your pride but it was the russians who finished the germans with our help. The first german disasters were on the steppes at Stalingrad & Kursk. But to help you settle it there was no way that england had the capacity to defeat germany on it's own despite the valiant nature of it's efforts!
vonconeon 3 years ago
LOL It's not about pride, it's about the truth. The first German disaster was the Battle of Britain (before Hitler even attacked Russia) and without Western aid, the Soviet Union wouldn't have survived the first year of the war. Beyond that, they wouldn't have been able to drive back the Germans if the western Allies hadn't been bombing Germany, destroying its ability to replace its losses in the East. It may hurt Russian pride, but without the West, the Soviets would have lost.
battleax86 3 years ago
Truth!...Well perhaps you should study your history a bit more closely. The BoB was a setback for the Luftwaffe not a disaster, it only ended when the bomber units withdrew for Barbarossa which led to a war on two fronts which was a disaster for Germany. The allied aid convoys were a drop in the bucket compared to the needs of the russian war machine & there were only 6 in 1941 (the first of which only had 6!!!! ships) before the russian saved themselves in the winter offensive.
vonconeon 3 years ago
Well the BoB was a setback for the Luftwaffe not a disaster, it ended when the air units withdrew for Barbarossa which led to a war on two fronts which was a disaster!
The convoys were a drop in the bucket compared to the needs russia's war machine The aid only really kicked in later in the war with US trucks providing added mobility for russian armies.
The allied bombing effort only started to hit it's stride in late 1943 & by then Germany's fate was sealed ie Stalingrad & Kursk.
vonconeon 3 years ago
The Allied Convoys were a ''Drop in the bucket'' were they? Almost all of the supply trucks for example of the Soviet Divisions advancing on Berlin were American Lease Lend!! There was also lots of other vital equipment that the western allies supplied to the Soviet Union....The Germans Soldiers didn't think very much of the Russian Soldiers....Most of them thought they were just outnumbered rather than beaten!!
ajgraham43 3 years ago
Yes they were in the beginning compared to the vast requirements of russia's armies & if you actually read the comment, I specifically mentioned the trucks from lend lease being beneficial to russian mobility but late in the war when the outcome had well & truly been decided. Also the germans came to respect the toughness of soviet soldiers if not perhaps the way they were led & routinely sacrificed by ruthless & sometimes inept generalship.
vonconeon 3 years ago
But you are right that a lot of equipment was beneficial especially things like advanced gunsights for planes & the like I read an account where previously soviet pilots had painted circles on the cockpit glass to help them aim!
vonconeon 3 years ago
Excellent doc.
mollymange 3 years ago 2
Good uploads....Thanks.
desertmandan123 3 years ago 4
Thank you!!!!
oahu223 4 years ago 8