HHO Gas Hydrogen 01

[GSpotter63]

You Could use radio frequency modulation that matches that of hydrogen and Oxygen to help break the molecular bonding of the sheared electron in the molecules and separate the 3 atoms. A little like a small push to the back of a child in a swing can make the swing go higher. Pulsing the electricity would use the same amount as a steady current, but would put its push where it would do the most good.

[whitenight639]

I cant post the URl where i got the info from but its on google scholar; Hydrogen-storage materials for mobile applications.

I think the figures you have are for H2 at room temp (gas) and to do the maths you will probably need to compare the figure for petrol (liquid) with H2 (liquid). I'm rubbish at maths tho! but i do know faradys law is outdated and can be broken, he never had stainless steel and MOSFET's in his day!

[Mrxcell42]

Thank you for your comments

I have look in to this a bit more and found at atmospheric pressure and room temp, one litre of H2 is 0.041416 moles.

The heat of combustion of H2 is 285.83 kJ / mole.

Multiplying we see that one litre of H2 represents 11.838 kJ of potential energy 3.3 Watts Per Hour which is a bit more that Faraday 2.4 watts per hour but I still don't think you get any more than this

but H2 as a liquid Kg for Kg has more than petrol

[whitenight639]

I have seen units using 92 plates on 110v DC producing 150% more than faradays law, but I'm no mathmatition and dont know if thats even over unity, dont know if your aware of the yahoo groups and a grp called watercar there are lots of plans there and you can build a curcuit to hit that water with a square wave at a certain frequency that will make it even more efficient.

[whitenight639]

found it mate, The chemical energyper mass of hydrogen (142 MJ kg --1) is at least three times larger than that of other chemical fuels (for example, the equivalent value for liquid hydrocarbons is 47 MJ kg--1)

[Mrxcell42]

Thank you for your comments

i Did find this on the web

Hydrogen 5 kg weight and volume of the tanks needed to store hydrogen as a compressed gas (5000 psi), a liquid

It was assumed in this calculation that the energy per unit hydrogen

Stored is 7.0 kJ H2, which compares closely to the 6.5 kJ/ H2 calculated in the previous

[whitenight639]

Hey good work, are you sure these figures are correct? :

1 litre of petrol has 30 MJ/L per litre

1 litre of HHO Gas has 8.640 KJ/L per litre

3.6 MJ to a 1 KW PER HOUR

I read a figure on keely that Hydrogen has loads more BTU's (brittish thermal units (heat) than most hydrocarbons so your figure for MJ for hydrogen seems too low, although it is a gas and petrol is a liguid. I will dig that figure out for you if i get chance.

[Mrxcell42]

Thank you for your comments I look long and hard on the web and found all sorts of figures on the web so they is a good chances that it may not be correct.

Faraday law 1 litre Hydrogen/oxygen gas uses 2.4 watts for an hour, which works out to be 2.4 watts * 3600 j per watt = 8.640kj that is if you don't get out more than you put in but it would be good to see your figures

You can get a lot of heat with Hydrogen/oxygen and metals but Hydrogen/oxygen has cool flame so not a lot of BTU

[Mrxcell42]

cubic meter natural gas 37 - 39 MJ (variable) that is 37 -- 39KJ litre

[Mrxcell42]

This maybe not right ?

1 calorie is the amout of heat to heat 1cc of water by 1C

1 calorie = 4.1868 KJ = 0.001163 Watt Per Hour so 1 Litre by 1c = 1.163 Watts per Hour

or 2.326 Watts per 1/2 Hour or 1 litre to 100c in 8.5 Minutes with 1 KW

One calorie has the same energy value as 4.186 kilojoules

2500 kcal/d (10 MJ/d, 2.8 kWh) .

[Mrxcell42]

here is a good way to see how much HHO Gas

Volts * Amps -Heat -electrolytes / 2.4 Watts = HHO Gas Per Hour 12 volts * 25 Amps / 2.4 Watts per Hour 125 litre

HHO Gas PER HOUR or 2.08 litre HHO Gas Per Minute

[Mrxcell42]

1 litre of HHO uses 2.4 Watts per hour at Zero Point 66.66 KWH / 2.4 Watts = 27777 litre of HHO Gas PER HOUR

1 gram of hydrogen / oxygen gas fills 11 litres = 1cc water 27777 litre / 11 / 1000 Litre = 2.25 litres of water per 70 miles

[Mrxcell42]

1 litre of HHO Gas has 8.640 KJ/L per litre = 66.666 KJ/S / 8.640 KJ/L 7.71litre HHO Gas PER SECOND

litre per Minute of HHO Gas 7.71litre * 60 = 462.6 litre HHO Gas Per MINUTE

litre per hour of HHO Gas 7.71litre * 60 * 60 = 27777 litre of HHO Gas PER HOUR

[Mrxcell42]

Done some more test this maybe up to 50/50 air to HHO gas

22.5 1itre HHO Gas PER SECOND

1350  litre HHO Gas PER MINUTE

81000 litre HHO Gas PER HOUR

[Mrxcell42]

from this test i have work out how much HHO Gas I need to run my car

1.8 litre car going down the motorway at 70mph uses 8 litre of petrol 8.75 Miles Per Litre 35 MPG/ Uk Galion On a good day

1 litre of petrol has 30 MJ/L per litre

1 litre of HHO Gas has 8.640 KJ/L per litre

3.6 MJ to a 1 KW PER HOUR

8 litre * 30 MJ/L = 240 MJ PER HOUR

240 MJ / 3.6 MJ = 66.66 KW PER HOUR

KJ PER SECOND 240 MJ/60/60 = 66.666 KJ PER SECOND

[Mrxcell42]

HHO Gas With Just 3 Amps water capacitor with rain water and paper and Aluminium foil

[glazzzzmeyt]

why not distilled water instead of rain water? and what is the voltage?

[Mrxcell42]

That's all I had at the time as we have had a lot of rain here in the UK the volts are about 18 there is just one down side of it. Is that the aluminium foil oxides in time