Ive studied BJJ. I'm also very familiar with the Jitsu Foundation. What worries me (aside from the low standard) is how organisations like the Jitsu Foundation claim to prepare students for "armed physical assault". Classes dont come close to simulating the physical and particularly the psychological reality of being attacked. Drills rely on compliance and in reality have little to do with combat. Students who leave classes considering themselves able to deal with armed attackers may be at risk.
@TheBison4 If you think any martial art or self defence system will effectively prepare someone to being physically attacked in 2 months you're a bigger fool than you let on to be... Any form of traditional martial art will aim to raise someone's awareness and confidence as to better avoid or if they have to deal with any problematic confrontations.
@monkeypieism On the contrary, i do not believe that. The real problem here is that organisations like the Jitsu foundation do not in reality prepare students for "armed physical assault" but claim to. They may raise students confidence in classroom settings e.g. teaching some fancy techniques against a dojo 'opponent' (even if they shout a lot). What takes place in many street assaults is a world away both technically and psychologically. People go to pieces.
@TheBison4 the TJF teaches you how to deal with layman attacks from a variety of situations. Anyone who tried to tell you otherwise is a liar, or seriously trumped up on their own self belief. I am actually an instructor in the Foundation and would never tell anyone that our techniques would work against someone who knows what they are doing or that they will come out of a confrontation unharmed. I'd recommend army level combat training for that. We do more "street" assault stuff at high levels.
@monkeypieism Nobody told me that, it’s obvious from TJF material I have examined on youtube and witnessed in person. Unfortunately it is claimed on the TJF website “Jitsu skills can be used by men, women and children to counter aggressive situations ranging from unwanted harassment to armed physical assault.” Aside from entering a discussion on what might be meant by ‘skills’ here, I can testify that at least one group instructor has instructed students as to how to apply TJF techniques ...
@TheBison4 The youtube stuff is 90% demonstration 10% competition, you'd never have been able to see the higher grade training. As an aside I know of a few Judoka who have defended themselves quite easily from aggressive and armed attackers. Now if you watched a bit of Judo on youtube and sat in on a couple of sessions you would not be aware that high grade black belts train completely differently. A few even get in to the UFC/MMA rings and hold their own. But opinions are what they are.
@monkeypieism Of course Judoka can compete effectively in MMA (and other sports) provided they train widely between disciplines.That doesnt make Judo (by itself) an ffective system of self defence though, even if some practitioners are able to defend theselves from an attack from time to time. Competitive judo is completey different to what are seeing in TJF classes of course (ive witnessed them several times in person) - and the things on display there are being advertised.
@monkeypieism .....in combat situations. During the class (I was spectating) the instructor offered instructions of what to do if “attacked” by someone with a baseball bat “while at a party” followed by a demonstration of disarmament technique on a student holding a fake baseball bat. Not only did this demonstration convey a naivety about being attacked. The instructor clearly intended to convey an instruction that the technique would be effective.
@monkeypieism ...comment that “... I would never tell anyone that our techniques work against someone who knows what they’re doing” (there goes the practical effectiveness of Jitsu for a start). It seems to myth that superior fighting ability it gained over time, by instruction and can be handled by ‘high level’ students who do ‘know what they are doing’ and that laymen do not. Street fighting as you call it (a chronically abused term) has relatively little to do with even the so called ....
@monkeypieism ... advanced techniques practiced by some of organisations. In reality an angry, drunk 15 stone guy who’s done a bit of rugby would be a match for many of black belts in today’s mainstream martial arts, even the so called advanced students, regardless of ‘technique’. “Army training” as you call it tends to be more effective but not because armed forces personnel spend years in a dojo perfecting techniques. Armed forced personal are inducted into an extremely challenging ....
@monkeypieism ..... challenging physical and psychological training regime and should (I assume do) practice a smaller range of effective techniques, including strikes which are enhanced by other aspects of physical and psychological training. This will include the importance of group awareness and the ill effect of having to face multiple opponents at one time. Apologies for going on, my intention isn’t to slag off TJF in particular, this stuff is commonplace in a lot of martial art groups.
@TheBison4 I do agree, but you don't seem to grasp the difference between a "martial art" and a "self defence" one will help the other but they are not on even par. The TJF system can be used effectively the same way Tai Chi can be used effectively to defend oneself. You seem more suited to something like Krav Maga, which is highly effective but highly brutal at the same time. TJF focuses on self defence rather than sport jitsu is what the website ought to say I suppose.
@monkeypieism In reality thae TJF dont seem to grasp the difference between a martial art and self defence. What we know goes on in TJF classes is a martial art (of sorts) but it is not an effective system of self defence. I agree that this 'Jitsu' can be send to defend ones self in a similar vein to Tai Chi - in a dojo setting with compliant opponents My point is that in relation to their claim that jitsu skilsl can be used to counter armed assault the TJF are verging on false advertising.
@TheBison4 The same could be said for any form of Aikido, TKD, Kung Fu, Wing Chun... However the South East Asian riot police are trained in a traditional form of martial art to compliment their combat training. You learn principles studying a martial art, it won't instantly make you a fighter able to handle anything... By your reasoning all weapon disciplines would probably be deemed useless as well such as all the traditional sword and staff ones?
@monkeypieism Sure, things from a variety of arts may help someones self defence practice. The key is to pressure test them. Ask a confdent opponent or two who arent bound by the ethics of the dojo to attack with frenzied intent, no holds barred. Most people crumple in these situtions regardless of martil art training. Natural born killer types tend to fight their way through bu even they will generally fail aganst multiple determined opponents.
@TheBison4 Your mistake is assuming the first principle of self defence is violence. That's what makes the key difference between a martial artist and a fighter.
@monkeypieism An important component of self defence training is preparation for violent confrontation. Other aspects may involve considering how to avoid potentially violent situations. A fighter may train to fight (perhaps in competition) but desnt have to be violent in nature or everyday activity. As for a marital artist - there are allsorts of vague opinions on that one.
What is noticable, rather sadly is this jitsu society advertises itself as "....an effective system of self-defence". Its a sad fact that martial art clubs like this persist in maintaining such illusions. From the Jitsu society stuff that ive seen here and witnessed in person, its nothing of the sort.
@TheBison4 Have you ever tried Jiu Jitsu? And do you mean the "Jitsu society" or do you mean "The Jitsu Foundation", which is the foundation that partook in the creation of this video. After 1 week of Jitsu, I felt a little more self-confident and better armed against rogue attackers. Now, after 4 years, I feel far more confident. I believe that Jitsu better equips people to defend themselves. Nonetheless, it is not a miracle martial art, as we are all very aware.
why after that encounter with the bloke the first time does the girl WALK BACK THERE to be attacked A SECOND TIME by the SAME GUY does she ever learn -_-
what if my attacker know jiu jitsu???
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Ive studied BJJ. I'm also very familiar with the Jitsu Foundation. What worries me (aside from the low standard) is how organisations like the Jitsu Foundation claim to prepare students for "armed physical assault". Classes dont come close to simulating the physical and particularly the psychological reality of being attacked. Drills rely on compliance and in reality have little to do with combat. Students who leave classes considering themselves able to deal with armed attackers may be at risk.
TheBison4 1 month ago
@TheBison4 If you think any martial art or self defence system will effectively prepare someone to being physically attacked in 2 months you're a bigger fool than you let on to be... Any form of traditional martial art will aim to raise someone's awareness and confidence as to better avoid or if they have to deal with any problematic confrontations.
monkeypieism 1 month ago
@monkeypieism On the contrary, i do not believe that. The real problem here is that organisations like the Jitsu foundation do not in reality prepare students for "armed physical assault" but claim to. They may raise students confidence in classroom settings e.g. teaching some fancy techniques against a dojo 'opponent' (even if they shout a lot). What takes place in many street assaults is a world away both technically and psychologically. People go to pieces.
TheBison4 1 month ago 2
@TheBison4 the TJF teaches you how to deal with layman attacks from a variety of situations. Anyone who tried to tell you otherwise is a liar, or seriously trumped up on their own self belief. I am actually an instructor in the Foundation and would never tell anyone that our techniques would work against someone who knows what they are doing or that they will come out of a confrontation unharmed. I'd recommend army level combat training for that. We do more "street" assault stuff at high levels.
monkeypieism 1 month ago
@monkeypieism Nobody told me that, it’s obvious from TJF material I have examined on youtube and witnessed in person. Unfortunately it is claimed on the TJF website “Jitsu skills can be used by men, women and children to counter aggressive situations ranging from unwanted harassment to armed physical assault.” Aside from entering a discussion on what might be meant by ‘skills’ here, I can testify that at least one group instructor has instructed students as to how to apply TJF techniques ...
TheBison4 1 month ago
@TheBison4 The youtube stuff is 90% demonstration 10% competition, you'd never have been able to see the higher grade training. As an aside I know of a few Judoka who have defended themselves quite easily from aggressive and armed attackers. Now if you watched a bit of Judo on youtube and sat in on a couple of sessions you would not be aware that high grade black belts train completely differently. A few even get in to the UFC/MMA rings and hold their own. But opinions are what they are.
monkeypieism 1 month ago
@monkeypieism Of course Judoka can compete effectively in MMA (and other sports) provided they train widely between disciplines.That doesnt make Judo (by itself) an ffective system of self defence though, even if some practitioners are able to defend theselves from an attack from time to time. Competitive judo is completey different to what are seeing in TJF classes of course (ive witnessed them several times in person) - and the things on display there are being advertised.
TheBison4 1 month ago
@monkeypieism .....in combat situations. During the class (I was spectating) the instructor offered instructions of what to do if “attacked” by someone with a baseball bat “while at a party” followed by a demonstration of disarmament technique on a student holding a fake baseball bat. Not only did this demonstration convey a naivety about being attacked. The instructor clearly intended to convey an instruction that the technique would be effective.
TheBison4 1 month ago
@monkeypieism ...comment that “... I would never tell anyone that our techniques work against someone who knows what they’re doing” (there goes the practical effectiveness of Jitsu for a start). It seems to myth that superior fighting ability it gained over time, by instruction and can be handled by ‘high level’ students who do ‘know what they are doing’ and that laymen do not. Street fighting as you call it (a chronically abused term) has relatively little to do with even the so called ....
TheBison4 1 month ago
@monkeypieism ... advanced techniques practiced by some of organisations. In reality an angry, drunk 15 stone guy who’s done a bit of rugby would be a match for many of black belts in today’s mainstream martial arts, even the so called advanced students, regardless of ‘technique’. “Army training” as you call it tends to be more effective but not because armed forces personnel spend years in a dojo perfecting techniques. Armed forced personal are inducted into an extremely challenging ....
TheBison4 1 month ago
@monkeypieism ..... challenging physical and psychological training regime and should (I assume do) practice a smaller range of effective techniques, including strikes which are enhanced by other aspects of physical and psychological training. This will include the importance of group awareness and the ill effect of having to face multiple opponents at one time. Apologies for going on, my intention isn’t to slag off TJF in particular, this stuff is commonplace in a lot of martial art groups.
TheBison4 1 month ago
@TheBison4 I do agree, but you don't seem to grasp the difference between a "martial art" and a "self defence" one will help the other but they are not on even par. The TJF system can be used effectively the same way Tai Chi can be used effectively to defend oneself. You seem more suited to something like Krav Maga, which is highly effective but highly brutal at the same time. TJF focuses on self defence rather than sport jitsu is what the website ought to say I suppose.
monkeypieism 1 month ago
@monkeypieism In reality thae TJF dont seem to grasp the difference between a martial art and self defence. What we know goes on in TJF classes is a martial art (of sorts) but it is not an effective system of self defence. I agree that this 'Jitsu' can be send to defend ones self in a similar vein to Tai Chi - in a dojo setting with compliant opponents My point is that in relation to their claim that jitsu skilsl can be used to counter armed assault the TJF are verging on false advertising.
TheBison4 1 month ago
@TheBison4 The same could be said for any form of Aikido, TKD, Kung Fu, Wing Chun... However the South East Asian riot police are trained in a traditional form of martial art to compliment their combat training. You learn principles studying a martial art, it won't instantly make you a fighter able to handle anything... By your reasoning all weapon disciplines would probably be deemed useless as well such as all the traditional sword and staff ones?
monkeypieism 1 month ago
@monkeypieism Sure, things from a variety of arts may help someones self defence practice. The key is to pressure test them. Ask a confdent opponent or two who arent bound by the ethics of the dojo to attack with frenzied intent, no holds barred. Most people crumple in these situtions regardless of martil art training. Natural born killer types tend to fight their way through bu even they will generally fail aganst multiple determined opponents.
TheBison4 1 month ago
@TheBison4 Your mistake is assuming the first principle of self defence is violence. That's what makes the key difference between a martial artist and a fighter.
monkeypieism 1 month ago
@monkeypieism An important component of self defence training is preparation for violent confrontation. Other aspects may involve considering how to avoid potentially violent situations. A fighter may train to fight (perhaps in competition) but desnt have to be violent in nature or everyday activity. As for a marital artist - there are allsorts of vague opinions on that one.
TheBison4 1 month ago
What is noticable, rather sadly is this jitsu society advertises itself as "....an effective system of self-defence". Its a sad fact that martial art clubs like this persist in maintaining such illusions. From the Jitsu society stuff that ive seen here and witnessed in person, its nothing of the sort.
TheBison4 2 months ago
@TheBison4 Have you ever tried Jiu Jitsu? And do you mean the "Jitsu society" or do you mean "The Jitsu Foundation", which is the foundation that partook in the creation of this video. After 1 week of Jitsu, I felt a little more self-confident and better armed against rogue attackers. Now, after 4 years, I feel far more confident. I believe that Jitsu better equips people to defend themselves. Nonetheless, it is not a miracle martial art, as we are all very aware.
jamiegoodwin87 1 month ago
loled at the blonde, what bullshit
iRyaan 9 months ago
The whole thing was indeed filmed in Sheffield! The Sensei of MMU Jitsu club was at Sheffield and helped film it.
ManchesterjitsuAdmin 1 year ago
Oh my God I remember this...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure some of the training was filmed in the dojo in Crewe Flats, Sheffield?
seigore 1 year ago
why after that encounter with the bloke the first time does the girl WALK BACK THERE to be attacked A SECOND TIME by the SAME GUY does she ever learn -_-
cute though, i'd do things to her
UNSPEAKABLE THINGS
quiteawful 1 year ago
@quiteawful XD LOL
iRyaan 9 months ago
I like that you got Cynthia Rothrock for this video.
quiteawful 1 year ago
:) people getting raped an pillaged everywhere classic.
This is a vast improvement of the 2002 promo video that was done.
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago