*continued* itself. when even the most materialistic of us find something reasonable, it is made upon the assumption of causality, which cannot be empirically proven, and upon induction. At some point in the line, any explaination for an external event requires a certain leap of faith. I think man will always strive to know what reality truly is, but as of yet I think it is an unnatainable goal. Most importantly though, we lose sight of what it means to be a decent being, atheist or theist.
It's wonderful to see somebody calmly addressing this argument. As a philosophical skeptic I'd like to put my two cents in; Theists are clearly illogical in blind faith, but I feel atheists (at least the ones that vehemently deny the existence of a god) are almost equally irrational. What we profess to know can never truly be known about our objective reality, becaus when we buy into a theory, or belief it is done on the basis of reasonability, which has no logical objective basis.
Umm quantum physics do not point to a conscious universe. And the fact that we are conscious, doesn't mean that we are essential and the universe has a big plan or an awareness of us. If you have proof, please show me, because being an atheist, evidence can sway me if it is substantial. Speculation and opinion do not count as evidence.
God is in the slums, in the cardboard boxes where the poor play house. God is in the silence of a mother who has infected her child with a virus that will end both their lives. God is in the cries heard under the rubble of war. God is in the debris of wasted opportunity and lives, and God is with us if we are with them...Bono
Personally, I don't want there to be a god. It just makes things boring. It is, to me, a much better life if we live it with unfulfilled curiosity. It fuels us to advance in life and learn about it more. As odd as the following claim may sound to many, the universe I witness seems just too fascinating for there to be a god.
I wish there was some kind of god; a god to watch over us. The issue is that I am mentally unable to ascribe to a belief that has no evidence to support it.
What I want to believe and what is actually true are totally separate.
I've come to accept that what I really want to believe is what is true. Works out well for me, really.
So that's my response to the first myth. A god, but not Jesus. That guy's a monster; at least, that's what "his book" says.
@kylben From one athiest to another, avoid metaphysics, try to delve more into the heart of the issue, epistemology. Say "By what other means other than epiricism can we come to an accurate answer." From there you probably already know how to bash the irrational "Rationalism" and "Constructivism" which has serious logical flaws.
Even though I agree with a lot you are saying, I don't like you using the word "we" when talking about atheists. That makes it sound like atheism is also just another 'religion', basicly. We are not all the same. We just share the fact that we do not believe in any gods.
I do understand you probably don't mean it like that but I still wanted to point this out :-)
I'm so tired of people always asuming I CHOSE to not believe in God. It's very simple; I was not raised with any religion. Therefor I do not believe. We not all were religious and then stopped believing. There are actually parents out there who don't raise their children with any religion. So there was no choice.
Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7 & 3:19). Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in Humans can be found in the soil. Scientist have discovered that the Human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements- ALL of which are found in the dust of the ground.-
Atheism may be a form of Aspergers syndrome-Signs and symptoms include:
Engaging in one-sided, long-winded conversations, without noticing if the listener is listening or trying to change the subject. Displaying unusual nonverbal communication, such as lack of eye contact, few facial expressions, or awkward body postures and gestures
Showing an intense obsession with one or two specific, narrow subjects.
Appearing not to understand, empathize with or be sensitive to others' feelings
I'm sensing an anti-aspie bigotry here. It's very un-Christian of you to keep insulting an entire community of innocent "sufferers". You should ask God for forgiveness, and to show you the way.
You haven't posted a new video in 6 months. Why not? Are you angry at God? A crisis of faith? Is that why you are taking it out on innocent autistics? Whatever is causing your pain, I hope you can find it in you to open your heart again.
@TheGreatOldOnes Threatening someone on the internet is a crime, the proper authorities have been contacted and you have been turned in as an offender.
@moonlightbateman it's pretty funny to watch you act like the little coward you are, hidding behind authority as soon as some one says something you dislike... CAh, christian martyrdom complex...
@Acrimonator As a frenchman, should'nt you be surrendering to someone? I'm just saying that the shortest entry in the encyclopedia is "French atheist heroes" LOL- Too funny! BTW I'm laughing at you, not with you, frenchy! Too funny! French and atheist- what a combo!
@moonlightbateman aspis are suferers beccuse of people like you not god or that stuff, just people like you who see it as somthing bad. why you ask? how o you feel if people wher to call you a "sufferer" just for being you just becuse your difrent.
@noliesundead Not "retards" simply people suffering from a form of autism- aspergers Syndrome- it prevents sufferers from comprehending complex concepts like God and eternity- look into it.
@moonlightbateman Atheists are far to be all Aspergers. If I'm right about it it's quite noticable, when we talk without knowing to an Asperger, that he is an abnormal person. Correct me if this assumption is wrong. But if it's true, how come most atheists can't be easily told from believers? I think it could be noticable if ther were so much Aspergers out there.
@TaltosQueen You'd be surprised at how many people, with early intervention and training, can live with Asperger's and be completely or functionally indistinguishable from the general public.
@moonlightbateman The idea of God, every time it has been presented to me, has either been too vague to present a coherent definition (a feeling in my heart, the creator of everything, etc.) or has been demonstrably a modification of earlier and more mundane ideas to absurd lengths (a perfect being, all powerful and all knowing, etc.). Eternity is not a complex idea at all; it is simply a human concept of a stretch of time longer than any that they know or will ever know.
@rpitenor Darwinism is atheisms creation myth. Atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is a religion (according to the US Supreme Court) based on...nothing. Hope that helps.
@moonlightbateman It's not a "nihilistic" belief. Religion does not encompass all purpose and inherence of life. While I'm a nihilist, that certainly does not apply to most Atheists. Darwinism is not a theological principle and religion and evolution can coincide. Darwinism and evolution are not theories on the origin of life. Atheism is not illogical either, it's certainly much more plausible than a deity. That is exactly the reason why it takes faith to be religious, because it's improbable.
@beezaxe Actually atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Darwinism is the atheist creation myth, it lacks mechanism, reason or cause- laughable. It not only takes faith to be an atheist. it also takes a willful ignorance of history, a suspension of logic and a misunderstanding of probability. The probability of an accidental universe is 1 in 10 to the 129th power- 1 in 10 to the 50th power is considered impossible.
@moonlightbateman You're so stupid, what about religions that do not have a deity? They certainly have principles thought of as inherent. You don't even know the difference between the Big Bang and Evolution. Like I stated before, Evolution and Darwinism are not theories on the origin of life. As for your "something coming from nothing", that sounds much more like the theory of God. You believe in the greatest uncertainty and you have the gall to call someone else irrational.
@beezaxe Again, you are displaying willful ignorance- the probability of an accidental universe is 1 in 10 to the 129th power, making your claim a mathematical impossibility. Your lack of comprehension is glaring, You have been shown that the atheist claim is irrational, illogical and impossible, yet you cling to it. Why? Could it be that you WANT there to be no reason for existance, no meaning to life and no purpose that you might be failing at? That sounds like what you are trying to say...
@moonlightbateman Doctored "facts", also, I don't give a shit what some Evangelical Baptist has to say about Atheism. You're afraid of dying, I get it. Religion is for people incapable of accepting death. Existing for an eternity is a far worse punishment than dying and losing your cognition.
@beezaxe I could care less about regurgitated atheist propaganda, it failed last century and it continues to be an epic fail. Atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible.
@moonlightbateman Yeah, epic fail, even though in the last 15 years the percentage of irreligion has gone up to about 20% in the entire world population. Also, I'm not an Atheist, I'm a Strong Agnostic. You can keep your bullshit deity to yourself. I don't want to exist forever and I'm not afraid of death, which is why I don't need to convince myself of an uncertainty to comfort myself. I don't think you understand how much your God hates logic, no really, it hates logic and reason.
@beezaxe Only 2.3% of the entire population of the planet identify themselves as atheists EPIC FAIL! The chances of an accidental universe are 1 in 10 to the 129th power, making your viewpoint irrational, illogical and impossible. Since no one knows the origin of life, how can you claim to know it will end? You cannot. Atheism is amoral, so how is it you judge good from evil? Both require a measurement tool that you claim does not exist. That makes you illogical and irrational. EPIC FAIL!
@moonlightbateman I think you're forgetting how many people think that Atheism is unscrupulous. A lot of people don't identify as Atheist because they don't want to face ostracism from their family and friends, mostly because of people like you and you're demonisation of Atheism. Mind you that the demonising is mostly because of ignorance to what Atheism is. By the way, there are 1.1 billion people who are irreligious, if that equals 2.3% to you, then you're a fucking moron.
@beezaxe Nope- only 2.3 of the worlds population identify themselves as atheists (Encyclopedia Brittanica stats, not mine). Possibly one reason so many people have a negative image of atheists is that, like you, atheists tend to be ill informed, rude social outcasts who lack basic social skills. Hatred of faith is not a faith. All you have is hatred, atheism is a negative, a null set, a void. In the end that is all you advocate for...nothing. Atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing.
@moonlightbateman I never said anything about the percentage of Atheists, I said irreligious. "The percentage of irreligion has gone up to about 20% in the entire world population." I'm also not Atheist, as I've said before. The fringe is the future, your religion will be either dead or a small fringe in 200-300 years. It's your brand of reactionary babble that impedes the progress of the world. Like I've said before, a deity =/= religion and Atheism =/= lack of religion.
@moonlightbateman As an atheist, I believe in the universe and in life, and I find them very wonderful and delightful. I love my family and friends, most of whom are religious. I love cats and squirrels, and looking at the stars. If I have a nihilistic belief in nothing, I'm fine with that. :D
@Megaritz As am I, I am curious however, you claimed to love people, nature and the stars. Why? What is the nature of your love if you believe in...nothing? What is love? Why does it exist? Why do any of the things you listed exist? Why is there something rather than nothing? Atheism is silent on all of those questions, so you must borrow your answer- where do you borrow it?
@moonlightbateman I don't know why the universe exists, but I think saying "God made it" is a placeholder answer; it moves the question back one step, replacing it with "Why does God exist?" As such, it doesn't answer anything so I consider it unlikely. The reason for the universe's existence is a mystery; what is certain is that it DOES exist. And that's wonderful. The reason for my wonder and love for it is related to my brain chemistry, but that in no way negates the feeling itself.
@Megaritz So to summarize your response- I dont know, its a mystery, and love is nothing more than biochemistry. And you are happy with that? Really? Those answers are one dimensional and boring ( two of the most common criticisms of materialist atheism).especially when you remove the only interesting part of your statement, the part concerning God's existance. Atheism is silent on all these issues, a bland and dull intellectual stance based on the belief in..nothing. Boring.
@moonlightbateman Yes, I'm happy with it. Sounds like you have a far more pessimistic outlook on life than I do. You may find it boring, but I don't. I find science fascinating. Watch Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" to learn how interesting it can be. Carl Sagan was an agnostic with a clearly strong love for the universe, created or not.
@Megaritz On the contrary, I find art far more interesting when you know something about the artist. Atheism is alot like saying you found "Cosmos" a beautiful piece of art, but denying that Carl Sagan existed or created it in the first place. Without acknowleging Sagan all you have is a boring, one dimensional PBS series devoid of creativity, humanity, interest or love of science. Creation requires a creator, Art requires an artist. Why not credit that artist?
@moonlightbateman I'd certainly credit the creator if I believed there was one. If the universe has a creator, I'd like to know about it. However, I've yet to see a persuasive argument that it has one. The cosmological argument provides no basis to anthropomorphize the first cause, and the argument from design raises the question "Who designed God?" Only the argument from the necessity of specific scientific constants needed to support life is compelling--but even then, we don't know (cont.)
...but even then, we don't know enough to say the universe couldn't have ultimately formed in a way that may have supported life in some other way. Life is an example of emergence, a phenomenon by which instances of order come out of the larger ever-increasting disorder of the universe, and some form of emergence would appear to be an inevitable result of just about any kind of complex system. Additionally, God's existence raises the question of why natural evil (earthquakes, etc) happen, etc.
@Megaritz So you would accept scientific evidence that disproves materialistic atheism, if such evidence existed-correct? Because it does. Starting with Aspire in 1982, we have known that materialism does not and cannot account for all of the behaviors of photons and electrons. Thus materialism, the basis of materialistic atheism has been disproven. What is left is the reality that something more than the material universe exists. This is what we know, feel free to look it up. .
@moonlightbateman Thank you for giving me something to research. I don't labor under the delusion that scientists will ever know close to everything about the universe, although at the end of the day I expect this will only prove the physical laws of the universe are stranger and more complex than previously thought--not that something *beyond* physical laws are needed, and not that any *entity* exists to pull the strings behind it all.
@Megaritz You are welcome. Also, we know that the universe is conscious because we are part of the universe (multiverse) and we are conscious. There is a growing movement toward the primacy of consciousness especially in fields such as quantum physics. Using the primacy of consciousness, many of the paradoxes (such as your "who designed God?" paradox disappear. Thus, God (when viewed as the primary consciousness) is not only possible but probable. Thank you for keeping an open mind!.
Wow, brilliant! I'm convinced... no, I'm born again! I'm going to march right down to one of those, what do you call them? oh, yeah, one of them churches, and confess my sins and throw myself on God's mercy. Thank You! but where were you 40 years ago?!?!
Oh, just one question. There's a lot of churches in my town, and I want to make sure I go to the right one so I don't go to hell by accidentally throwing myself at the mercy of the wrong god! Which one is the one that's not flawed?
OK, so Yahweh is the right one? I wanted to be sure, because, I don't want to go to hell like all those people who follow Allah, Vishnu, and all them fake gods. LOL, I was even trying to find a Zeus church in case he was the right one. You don't think Zeus is the right God then? Anyway, you've been a huge help. So which church is the right one? I did a google search for "Church 90210", but none mentioned Yahweh. The one that's about Chicken is out? Its too bad, that one seemed pretty cool.
kylben, EdwardCurrent addresses this in watch?v=PqJpZOljjG8 . Following his advice is time consuming, but will allow you to worship the the one true and correct creator of the universe.
FATMIKED5183, well, that was meant with humorous intent, so you are welcome to laugh at me :)
Kylben's pointing out the problem with non-evidence based solutions to determining which (if any) deity exists brought EC's video to mind. EC manages to keep a fairly straight face on his humor though (I don't know how he keeps from cracking up laughing while saying that), so I proposed it as a serious solution to not give away EC's position before people watched it.
ive had number 6 happen to me many times. ive had many christians try to proselytize me. Whenever i counter them with straight honesty and logic they make the hasty rationalization that im just miserable and immediately dismiss anything i say. talk about hiding from truth.
Dude the guys you talk i'll admit must dont know much with out logic to abck it up im chirstian and i must admit to myself i need logic to prove the turth they just had no logic to abck it up with them so i'll like to debate with you.
The Bible was written by man - the only difference is Chrisitans believe that it was written by Holy men of God and God told those men what to write. So, basically, on a basic level, we agree.
I don't like forcing laws on people. I don't think atheism should be outlawed and I don't think people should force others to choose a certian religion. This is the issue of free will and people have a right to believe what they want.
1 and 2, I agree with you. I don't really think atheists do that and I'm a Chrisitan. You brought up the idea of seperation of church and state and how you don't like how poeple force their beliefs on others.
I am a former baptist and I believe 100% in seperation of church and state. Laws that may be classified as "Christian" (such as "no gay marriage") should NOT be made into law.
I'd like for you to watch some of my videos and see what you think of me. But read my channel first. Thanks
as an atheist, after all i have heard about Jesus and the Xian God, i really dont want a relationship with him. There are other deities that are far more admirable. However, I am a naturalist and a realist, and I enjoy learning and seeing the world as it is. I dont have any desire to abandon that and surrender myself and my mind to a God. Science and reality are far more inspiring.
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kylben, you are an idiot, you hate Christians, why? do they threaten to kill you? didn't islamists would kill non islamists including atheists? nobody force you to believe any religion but hating those who never do you harm is idiotic. You said you use logic thenwhat is the logic using your science and evidence and claiming humans came from apes?
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there you go... youtubers judge who is a blatant liar, read kylben's 16 items he listed at the right side of the screen and look at number 1 which states "We hate Christians". when he said we, does it include him? now who's a liar? maybe you will erase this comment due to shame.
hahaha all this 16 items you listed is your own opinion hence, they're all yours, since you said you cannot speak for all atheist. Why the hell you stae 1. we hate christianity who never command its followers to kill those who wont believe it, and why not put there WE HATE ISLAM, since their Quran command them to kill infidels including Atheists like you? Are you afraid of the Islamists, a chicken? or you are an Islamist propaganda machine?
What is Christians' favorite flavor of ice cream? I don't know that "atheists" believe, I know what I believe. We came about through evolution, some as yet unknown chemical process of abiogenesis, and the big bang. Of course the big bang does not explain how all that matter came to be in the first place. There has been much speculation, some of it in the realm of physics, some mathematical, and some philosophical, but nobody knows for sure. I can live with it being an open question.
just answer why apes didnt evolve into humans if humans came from apes. If this is scientific then convince me now. BTW, i hate religions that teaches hate and murder on non believers fyi.
I have to admit, this argument is a new one for me. I thought I'd heard them all, but I can't recall ever hearing this one before. Of course, the reason for that is that it is too stupid even for the young-earth creationists to make. So, lance, you win a prize, for the stupidist argument I've ever heard against evolution. Congratulations.
you are entitled to your own opinion but if we speak on scientific things then bring it on the proof. All bla bla bla without proof according to science remains a theory and you miss my point because you only respect yours. Go home and be scientific, study more, atheist.
TheRedneckAtheist, call youself a gorilla or a monkey or an ape. I have nothing to do with your ape-religion. Your kids are apes and your parents are apes so go marry an ape and fuck that ape the whole night through. Still that doesnt proved humans came from apes hahahahahaha you are anti-science man bcoz that remains a theory, no proof yet.
You may want to read "The Language of God", or "Finding Darwin's God", or "Relics of Eden", or "Only a Theory", or... well, TONS of other excellent books expositing the solid evidence for evolution, including human-ape ancestry.
Why did I specifically mention those books?
Because they're written by believers in God, who also happen to be good scientists. (e.g. Francis Collins directed the Human Genome Project, & Ken Miller is a cell biologist.)
believing evoluton without proof still like it leaves me puzzling, believe in what you believe, it's fine with me, as long as you won't harm anyone. Once you say you hate me for what I believe that puts you as an enemy, just like Islamists who love only themselves (though they also kill each other) and declared war against non islam believers including atheists. I only believe science when proof is present through results of experimentations. Evolution is not science to me
Science is not always proven by experimentation. Sci. theories make predictions which can then be tested by observation, for instance. For example, take the big bang theory. We observe cosmic microwave background radiation dated to a few hundred million years and extremely hot (age determined by redshift, another prediction of theory). That observation matches the prediction from the big bang theory. Science is not JUST experimentation -- that's only one part of it. Observations are tests, too.
not real science.. at this point, not seeing evolution as science is just unforgivable. the information is out there, all you have to do is look. all of the people I know who don't "believe" in evolution are the same people who dan't like the idea.. coincidence?
Empiricism is the method by which you prove something to be true based on observable or perceivable evidence.
You can literally watch animals mate and inherit the characteristics of their parents. Obviously this is a little more challenging if you want to watch them over millions of years. We still have fossils and mountains of other evidence, but y'know.
That's the thing. Microevolution and macroevolution are the exact same fucking thing, just one takes longer than the other.
Microevolution is you having a kid. Macroevolution is your kid having a kid, that kid having a kid, that kid having a kid, et cetera, over millions of years. But nobody lives long enough to watch it happen, so yeah.
the difference between the two is about the same as walking to the fridge and walking across town. The second takes longer but uses the exact same mechanism as the first
big bang remains a theory and nobody should believe it if we have to be scientific then where is the proof? bang! that's all? then I believe big bang? that is non scientific!
Your a pretty lazy atheist if you are cool with just floating through life, with no real answer to anything. As long as we know you don't ever want to believe in a higher power. Those are some seriously hypocritical statements. You must be a really pathetic person. That isn't me being religous at all, that is me being a realist.
I don't think its anyones job to make anyone believe in anything.. God has to show you the truth in time... If people would read the bible they will see that it is the word of God... that many prophecies have been fulfilled and are yet to be fulfilled... Everyone needs to respect everyone.. true true! :) God bless!
I don't think its so much that I as an atheist wants to change anyone's mind as to there core beliefs (its not like I have all the answers), however I do want people to use reason and acknowledged the source of what a person accepts as true. Faith, or reason.
good, and I salute those religion that do not kill atheist for what they believed unlike islamists who believed only in a pedophile-sex maniac muhammad who taught them to kll infidels(non islam beievers) including atheists. Let people believe on anything and live peacefully.
I was in my dorm kitchen the other day, and of course being held over winter break since my family is an Atheist family. (which I'd like to point out, I wasn't raised an Atheist, in fact my family showed me many different religions and philosophies as a child and at the tender age of four I realized it was all superstitious nonsense) Anyway, this person kept trying to force his beliefs on me. These people are frustrating, as though they think it's their duty to enslave my mind.
The thing with religions is many against religions secretly want to either destroy religion Stalinist style, or the nice way. There is no nice way. The only way to destroy is to exterminate or wage war between ideologies. Bloody Bloody wars in killing off millions of people who believe, and start from scratch with an unaware generation. There's no nice way. Violence must be the answer and tolerated. Like Stalin. As long as religion is here, true peace can't prosper between humanity. Force them.
You speak of Stalin as though he's an unpopular guy. Most Soviets admired the guy, he basically along with Peter the Great pulled Russia out of the dark-ages.
I speak of Stalin with great admiration, even though by much propoganda we Americans grew up to rather hate these tyrannical men.Why would you say that. When I said Stalinist style, I meant it, because that's what the choice is against religion.I said people like me who sees religion as one of humanities greatest threats to progress our minds and find ways to stop confining us to stupid beliefs.I said that I admit sometimes feeling like Stalin. I'd forcibly take away religion Stalinist. style
Stalin killed an estimated 20 million people.... If you as an atheist want to stop religious killings, but idolize Joseph Stalin. I don't even think I need to go any further, hypocrite.
P.S. Joseph Stalin worshipped himself, and murdered those who didn't follow suit. Your an idiot
Can you honestly name a single person you know who "idolizes Joseph Stalin"? LOL Give me a break. Nice straw man.
Also, you may want to look-up the Taiping Rebellion (amongst MANY other things) before mouthing off too loudly about how many people Stalin killed, and acting as if Christianity has immaculately clean hands.
as an atheist i think i am less afraid of dying than your average theist. i don't believe in an afterlife, so i don't worry about my actions influencing that afterlife. when i die i will be unconscious, unaware, and unable to conceive of anything. this is a state of peace, with no worries, no pain, and no conflict.
I don't know why so many atheists give enough creedance to Pascal's Wager to even argue against it. Sure, Pascal's Wager is a lovely wager...but it's just a Wager. The "logic" behind this has absolutely NO BEARING on the truth of anything. It simply doesn't even function on ANY level as any kind of argument for the existence of ANYTHING.
I'm an athiest and I would say that if there were some event that proved the existence of a god beyond the shadow of a doubt, I would be first in line to believe in him. Unfortunately. this hasn't happened yet.
I think it's funny we have to defend ourselves by using this line. I mean...OBVIOUSLY if we ever become convinced there is a god...then we'll believe there's a god. By definition, if you are convinced of something, that means you believe it. And by the same token, if you believe something, you believe it because you're convinced. We just hold a different standard of what it takes to be "convinced". For us it takes a lot more than a "warm fuzzy feeling" or a sense of "awe" to be "convinced".
"if you believe something, you believe it because you're convinced. We just hold a different standard of what it takes to be "convinced"."
That's not really what he's saying. He saying that if there was any actual evidence of his existence, he would believe in him. The problem isn't the degree of evidence but the existence of it in any shape or form. What Christians use for convincing themselves is not what is known as evidence. Christians simply demand no proof at all for God's existence.
You're right. I suppose "it makes me feel warm and fuzzy" and "I don't want to go to hell" and "I don't want to live in a world where there is no god" or "god talks to me (in my head) aren't really forms of evidence at all. They'll swear up and down that it is, but...you're right, it's not. It's almost like conviction can come BEFORE evidence for some people....
In a universe where god did exist, and all of the terrible things that hurt the world happen, why would you worship him anyway. It seems a bit like giving a blowjob to somebody who stubs the occasional cigarette out on your head just so they will give you a lift home.
Oh, and don't bother with that free will crap, so many of these bad things occur regardless of human activity, did the ocean send the tsunami of its own volition?
I agree with you almost 100%. You have covered many of my feelings about Christians, Atheists, etc. The thing I find about these two religions is that atheists have a lot more proof with out beliefs. We have laws of physics, years of scientific discoveries, etc. Christianity has something a 3 year old would be talked into believing in (that's what the church is there for...) and a book written by psycho people. I see more problems with christianity than with atheism.
acctually I do want to know Jesus, even thou I Know he doesn't exist, I'd like to meet him if he really existed, but he doesn't, I'd like an illusion like that, and by being there I woulnd't be aware of the way I think right now, so I guess my life would be easier, at least mentally, you don't speak for ALL atheist, but you have some points
Actually, the fact that what you have to say may not apply to all atheists is the very ESSENCE of atheism.
I think the biggest problem with religious people, the biggest stumbling block to get past is faith versus knowledge; we don't have absolute knowledge, so the theist fills in the gaps with faith. The theist is not comfortable with ambiguity and uncertainty, so they make things up and take comfort from it. The atheist instead tries to FIND the truth, and is okay when they don't have it YET.
*continued* itself. when even the most materialistic of us find something reasonable, it is made upon the assumption of causality, which cannot be empirically proven, and upon induction. At some point in the line, any explaination for an external event requires a certain leap of faith. I think man will always strive to know what reality truly is, but as of yet I think it is an unnatainable goal. Most importantly though, we lose sight of what it means to be a decent being, atheist or theist.
kylebossify 2 months ago
It's wonderful to see somebody calmly addressing this argument. As a philosophical skeptic I'd like to put my two cents in; Theists are clearly illogical in blind faith, but I feel atheists (at least the ones that vehemently deny the existence of a god) are almost equally irrational. What we profess to know can never truly be known about our objective reality, becaus when we buy into a theory, or belief it is done on the basis of reasonability, which has no logical objective basis.
kylebossify 2 months ago
Umm quantum physics do not point to a conscious universe. And the fact that we are conscious, doesn't mean that we are essential and the universe has a big plan or an awareness of us. If you have proof, please show me, because being an atheist, evidence can sway me if it is substantial. Speculation and opinion do not count as evidence.
DerpdaDerp1 3 months ago
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God is in the slums, in the cardboard boxes where the poor play house. God is in the silence of a mother who has infected her child with a virus that will end both their lives. God is in the cries heard under the rubble of war. God is in the debris of wasted opportunity and lives, and God is with us if we are with them...Bono
moonlightbateman 6 months ago
lol. 6666 views
THEDaegan 8 months ago
Well, I quite like your hat, sir! Also, you're cute.
woxiedowg 11 months ago
Personally, I don't want there to be a god. It just makes things boring. It is, to me, a much better life if we live it with unfulfilled curiosity. It fuels us to advance in life and learn about it more. As odd as the following claim may sound to many, the universe I witness seems just too fascinating for there to be a god.
turquoiseguy 1 year ago
zero times ten is zero.
juliecranford 1 year ago
I wish there was some kind of god; a god to watch over us. The issue is that I am mentally unable to ascribe to a belief that has no evidence to support it.
What I want to believe and what is actually true are totally separate.
I've come to accept that what I really want to believe is what is true. Works out well for me, really.
So that's my response to the first myth. A god, but not Jesus. That guy's a monster; at least, that's what "his book" says.
berniebay 1 year ago
@kylben From one athiest to another, avoid metaphysics, try to delve more into the heart of the issue, epistemology. Say "By what other means other than epiricism can we come to an accurate answer." From there you probably already know how to bash the irrational "Rationalism" and "Constructivism" which has serious logical flaws.
ligerman30 1 year ago
That hat rocks! I love it.
MercuryRis 1 year ago
Top $10 rocks!
and so does the top 10h and the top 0b10000
FOOFlGHTERS 1 year ago
Even though I agree with a lot you are saying, I don't like you using the word "we" when talking about atheists. That makes it sound like atheism is also just another 'religion', basicly. We are not all the same. We just share the fact that we do not believe in any gods.
I do understand you probably don't mean it like that but I still wanted to point this out :-)
KiwisHouseOfRock 1 year ago
I'm so tired of people always asuming I CHOSE to not believe in God. It's very simple; I was not raised with any religion. Therefor I do not believe. We not all were religious and then stopped believing. There are actually parents out there who don't raise their children with any religion. So there was no choice.
KiwisHouseOfRock 1 year ago
Nice work. We need more calm, peaceful, reasoned argument like yours. Cheers.
Snurdgerbly 1 year ago
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Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7 & 3:19). Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in Humans can be found in the soil. Scientist have discovered that the Human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements- ALL of which are found in the dust of the ground.-
shotsxxx 2 years ago
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Atheism may be a form of Aspergers syndrome-Signs and symptoms include:
Engaging in one-sided, long-winded conversations, without noticing if the listener is listening or trying to change the subject. Displaying unusual nonverbal communication, such as lack of eye contact, few facial expressions, or awkward body postures and gestures
Showing an intense obsession with one or two specific, narrow subjects.
Appearing not to understand, empathize with or be sensitive to others' feelings
moonlightbateman 2 years ago
Hmm, I wonder what being an impertinent, presumptuous cum-stain is symptomatic of? You might want to have that looked at.
kylben 2 years ago
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Now that you have your diagnosis, you can seek treatment.
BTW- You just proved you are a sufferer.
moonlightbateman 2 years ago
Diagnosis by text message. That's a revolutionary medical advance, unprecedented in 6000 years of human history.
kylben 2 years ago
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The quicker you stop posting, the quicker you can get help...
It has been said that an atheist cannot find God for the same reason a criminal cannot find a policeman.
Do us all a favor and seek help...
moonlightbateman 2 years ago
I'm sensing an anti-aspie bigotry here. It's very un-Christian of you to keep insulting an entire community of innocent "sufferers". You should ask God for forgiveness, and to show you the way.
You haven't posted a new video in 6 months. Why not? Are you angry at God? A crisis of faith? Is that why you are taking it out on innocent autistics? Whatever is causing your pain, I hope you can find it in you to open your heart again.
kylben 2 years ago 2
The help for you is there, all you have to do is seek it out.
moonlightbateman 2 years ago
@moonlightbateman
there are guns out there. all you have to do is shoot yourself.
TheGreatOldOnes 1 year ago
@TheGreatOldOnes Threatening someone on the internet is a crime, punishable by prison time.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
telling you to kill yourself is not a threat you moron.
TheGreatOldOnes 1 year ago
@TheGreatOldOnes Threatening someone on the internet is a crime, the proper authorities have been contacted and you have been turned in as an offender.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
thats pretty funny, because again, i didnt threaten you. please show me where i issued a threat to you/
TheGreatOldOnes 1 year ago
@TheGreatOldOnes (lol) Its pretty funny watching you squirm and back track like a scared little girl...too funny!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman it's pretty funny to watch you act like the little coward you are, hidding behind authority as soon as some one says something you dislike... CAh, christian martyrdom complex...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
@Acrimonator As a frenchman, should'nt you be surrendering to someone? I'm just saying that the shortest entry in the encyclopedia is "French atheist heroes" LOL- Too funny! BTW I'm laughing at you, not with you, frenchy! Too funny! French and atheist- what a combo!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
actually it's 6000-10,000 years. believers still havent decided exactly when god made the universe. lol
kriztufer2001 2 years ago
@kylben Welcome to the 21st century (lol)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman aspis are suferers beccuse of people like you not god or that stuff, just people like you who see it as somthing bad. why you ask? how o you feel if people wher to call you a "sufferer" just for being you just becuse your difrent.
jannikmt 1 year ago
@jannikmt Aspergers is simply a disease that many atheists suffer from- it does not allow them to comprehend complex ideas like God and eternity.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
wait so your a former medical dr
giving psychological diagnosis
from peoples comments
and there lack of belief in a creature, never shown to exist
is that right?..........and you call atheist the retards
noliesundead 1 year ago
@noliesundead Not "retards" simply people suffering from a form of autism- aspergers Syndrome- it prevents sufferers from comprehending complex concepts like God and eternity- look into it.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Atheists are far to be all Aspergers. If I'm right about it it's quite noticable, when we talk without knowing to an Asperger, that he is an abnormal person. Correct me if this assumption is wrong. But if it's true, how come most atheists can't be easily told from believers? I think it could be noticable if ther were so much Aspergers out there.
TaltosQueen 1 year ago
@TaltosQueen You'd be surprised at how many people, with early intervention and training, can live with Asperger's and be completely or functionally indistinguishable from the general public.
rpitenor 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman The idea of God, every time it has been presented to me, has either been too vague to present a coherent definition (a feeling in my heart, the creator of everything, etc.) or has been demonstrably a modification of earlier and more mundane ideas to absurd lengths (a perfect being, all powerful and all knowing, etc.). Eternity is not a complex idea at all; it is simply a human concept of a stretch of time longer than any that they know or will ever know.
rpitenor 1 year ago
@rpitenor Darwinism is atheisms creation myth. Atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is a religion (according to the US Supreme Court) based on...nothing. Hope that helps.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman It's not a "nihilistic" belief. Religion does not encompass all purpose and inherence of life. While I'm a nihilist, that certainly does not apply to most Atheists. Darwinism is not a theological principle and religion and evolution can coincide. Darwinism and evolution are not theories on the origin of life. Atheism is not illogical either, it's certainly much more plausible than a deity. That is exactly the reason why it takes faith to be religious, because it's improbable.
beezaxe 1 year ago
@beezaxe Actually atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Darwinism is the atheist creation myth, it lacks mechanism, reason or cause- laughable. It not only takes faith to be an atheist. it also takes a willful ignorance of history, a suspension of logic and a misunderstanding of probability. The probability of an accidental universe is 1 in 10 to the 129th power- 1 in 10 to the 50th power is considered impossible.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman You're so stupid, what about religions that do not have a deity? They certainly have principles thought of as inherent. You don't even know the difference between the Big Bang and Evolution. Like I stated before, Evolution and Darwinism are not theories on the origin of life. As for your "something coming from nothing", that sounds much more like the theory of God. You believe in the greatest uncertainty and you have the gall to call someone else irrational.
beezaxe 1 year ago
@beezaxe Again, you are displaying willful ignorance- the probability of an accidental universe is 1 in 10 to the 129th power, making your claim a mathematical impossibility. Your lack of comprehension is glaring, You have been shown that the atheist claim is irrational, illogical and impossible, yet you cling to it. Why? Could it be that you WANT there to be no reason for existance, no meaning to life and no purpose that you might be failing at? That sounds like what you are trying to say...
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Doctored "facts", also, I don't give a shit what some Evangelical Baptist has to say about Atheism. You're afraid of dying, I get it. Religion is for people incapable of accepting death. Existing for an eternity is a far worse punishment than dying and losing your cognition.
beezaxe 1 year ago
@beezaxe I could care less about regurgitated atheist propaganda, it failed last century and it continues to be an epic fail. Atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Yeah, epic fail, even though in the last 15 years the percentage of irreligion has gone up to about 20% in the entire world population. Also, I'm not an Atheist, I'm a Strong Agnostic. You can keep your bullshit deity to yourself. I don't want to exist forever and I'm not afraid of death, which is why I don't need to convince myself of an uncertainty to comfort myself. I don't think you understand how much your God hates logic, no really, it hates logic and reason.
beezaxe 1 year ago
@beezaxe Only 2.3% of the entire population of the planet identify themselves as atheists EPIC FAIL! The chances of an accidental universe are 1 in 10 to the 129th power, making your viewpoint irrational, illogical and impossible. Since no one knows the origin of life, how can you claim to know it will end? You cannot. Atheism is amoral, so how is it you judge good from evil? Both require a measurement tool that you claim does not exist. That makes you illogical and irrational. EPIC FAIL!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman I think you're forgetting how many people think that Atheism is unscrupulous. A lot of people don't identify as Atheist because they don't want to face ostracism from their family and friends, mostly because of people like you and you're demonisation of Atheism. Mind you that the demonising is mostly because of ignorance to what Atheism is. By the way, there are 1.1 billion people who are irreligious, if that equals 2.3% to you, then you're a fucking moron.
beezaxe 1 year ago
@beezaxe Nope- only 2.3 of the worlds population identify themselves as atheists (Encyclopedia Brittanica stats, not mine). Possibly one reason so many people have a negative image of atheists is that, like you, atheists tend to be ill informed, rude social outcasts who lack basic social skills. Hatred of faith is not a faith. All you have is hatred, atheism is a negative, a null set, a void. In the end that is all you advocate for...nothing. Atheism is the nihilistic belief in...nothing.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman I never said anything about the percentage of Atheists, I said irreligious. "The percentage of irreligion has gone up to about 20% in the entire world population." I'm also not Atheist, as I've said before. The fringe is the future, your religion will be either dead or a small fringe in 200-300 years. It's your brand of reactionary babble that impedes the progress of the world. Like I've said before, a deity =/= religion and Atheism =/= lack of religion.
beezaxe 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman As an atheist, I believe in the universe and in life, and I find them very wonderful and delightful. I love my family and friends, most of whom are religious. I love cats and squirrels, and looking at the stars. If I have a nihilistic belief in nothing, I'm fine with that. :D
Megaritz 6 months ago
@Megaritz As am I, I am curious however, you claimed to love people, nature and the stars. Why? What is the nature of your love if you believe in...nothing? What is love? Why does it exist? Why do any of the things you listed exist? Why is there something rather than nothing? Atheism is silent on all of those questions, so you must borrow your answer- where do you borrow it?
moonlightbateman 6 months ago
@moonlightbateman I don't know why the universe exists, but I think saying "God made it" is a placeholder answer; it moves the question back one step, replacing it with "Why does God exist?" As such, it doesn't answer anything so I consider it unlikely. The reason for the universe's existence is a mystery; what is certain is that it DOES exist. And that's wonderful. The reason for my wonder and love for it is related to my brain chemistry, but that in no way negates the feeling itself.
Megaritz 6 months ago
@Megaritz So to summarize your response- I dont know, its a mystery, and love is nothing more than biochemistry. And you are happy with that? Really? Those answers are one dimensional and boring ( two of the most common criticisms of materialist atheism).especially when you remove the only interesting part of your statement, the part concerning God's existance. Atheism is silent on all these issues, a bland and dull intellectual stance based on the belief in..nothing. Boring.
moonlightbateman 6 months ago
@moonlightbateman Yes, I'm happy with it. Sounds like you have a far more pessimistic outlook on life than I do. You may find it boring, but I don't. I find science fascinating. Watch Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" to learn how interesting it can be. Carl Sagan was an agnostic with a clearly strong love for the universe, created or not.
Megaritz 6 months ago
@Megaritz On the contrary, I find art far more interesting when you know something about the artist. Atheism is alot like saying you found "Cosmos" a beautiful piece of art, but denying that Carl Sagan existed or created it in the first place. Without acknowleging Sagan all you have is a boring, one dimensional PBS series devoid of creativity, humanity, interest or love of science. Creation requires a creator, Art requires an artist. Why not credit that artist?
moonlightbateman 6 months ago
@moonlightbateman I'd certainly credit the creator if I believed there was one. If the universe has a creator, I'd like to know about it. However, I've yet to see a persuasive argument that it has one. The cosmological argument provides no basis to anthropomorphize the first cause, and the argument from design raises the question "Who designed God?" Only the argument from the necessity of specific scientific constants needed to support life is compelling--but even then, we don't know (cont.)
Megaritz 6 months ago
...but even then, we don't know enough to say the universe couldn't have ultimately formed in a way that may have supported life in some other way. Life is an example of emergence, a phenomenon by which instances of order come out of the larger ever-increasting disorder of the universe, and some form of emergence would appear to be an inevitable result of just about any kind of complex system. Additionally, God's existence raises the question of why natural evil (earthquakes, etc) happen, etc.
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moonlightbateman 6 months ago
@Megaritz So you would accept scientific evidence that disproves materialistic atheism, if such evidence existed-correct? Because it does. Starting with Aspire in 1982, we have known that materialism does not and cannot account for all of the behaviors of photons and electrons. Thus materialism, the basis of materialistic atheism has been disproven. What is left is the reality that something more than the material universe exists. This is what we know, feel free to look it up. .
moonlightbateman 6 months ago
@moonlightbateman Thank you for giving me something to research. I don't labor under the delusion that scientists will ever know close to everything about the universe, although at the end of the day I expect this will only prove the physical laws of the universe are stranger and more complex than previously thought--not that something *beyond* physical laws are needed, and not that any *entity* exists to pull the strings behind it all.
Megaritz 6 months ago
@Megaritz You are welcome. Also, we know that the universe is conscious because we are part of the universe (multiverse) and we are conscious. There is a growing movement toward the primacy of consciousness especially in fields such as quantum physics. Using the primacy of consciousness, many of the paradoxes (such as your "who designed God?" paradox disappear. Thus, God (when viewed as the primary consciousness) is not only possible but probable. Thank you for keeping an open mind!.
moonlightbateman 6 months ago
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@kylben Your mom does'nt think so :)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
Atheism is flawed!!!!
POC777 2 years ago
Wow, brilliant! I'm convinced... no, I'm born again! I'm going to march right down to one of those, what do you call them? oh, yeah, one of them churches, and confess my sins and throw myself on God's mercy. Thank You! but where were you 40 years ago?!?!
Oh, just one question. There's a lot of churches in my town, and I want to make sure I go to the right one so I don't go to hell by accidentally throwing myself at the mercy of the wrong god! Which one is the one that's not flawed?
kylben 2 years ago
Who ever said there was more than One God, which is Yahweh?
POC777 2 years ago
OK, so Yahweh is the right one? I wanted to be sure, because, I don't want to go to hell like all those people who follow Allah, Vishnu, and all them fake gods. LOL, I was even trying to find a Zeus church in case he was the right one. You don't think Zeus is the right God then? Anyway, you've been a huge help. So which church is the right one? I did a google search for "Church 90210", but none mentioned Yahweh. The one that's about Chicken is out? Its too bad, that one seemed pretty cool.
kylben 2 years ago
kylben, EdwardCurrent addresses this in watch?v=PqJpZOljjG8 . Following his advice is time consuming, but will allow you to worship the the one true and correct creator of the universe.
JustAnotherMutant 2 years ago
Are you a troll? Otherwise I have to laugh at you.
FATMIKED5183 1 year ago
FATMIKED5183, well, that was meant with humorous intent, so you are welcome to laugh at me :)
Kylben's pointing out the problem with non-evidence based solutions to determining which (if any) deity exists brought EC's video to mind. EC manages to keep a fairly straight face on his humor though (I don't know how he keeps from cracking up laughing while saying that), so I proposed it as a serious solution to not give away EC's position before people watched it.
JustAnotherMutant 1 year ago
@POC777 Explain.
EverybodyHatesThat 1 year ago
respect.
ive had number 6 happen to me many times. ive had many christians try to proselytize me. Whenever i counter them with straight honesty and logic they make the hasty rationalization that im just miserable and immediately dismiss anything i say. talk about hiding from truth.
moreopiumplz 2 years ago
Dude the guys you talk i'll admit must dont know much with out logic to abck it up im chirstian and i must admit to myself i need logic to prove the turth they just had no logic to abck it up with them so i'll like to debate with you.
AkerGraham 2 years ago
then hit me up with an email dude, lets do this.
moreopiumplz 2 years ago
Do you think Chrisitans brains are wired differently than that atheist?
sandbar3000 2 years ago
I keep on spelling " Christian" wrong.
sandbar3000 2 years ago
The Bible was written by man - the only difference is Chrisitans believe that it was written by Holy men of God and God told those men what to write. So, basically, on a basic level, we agree.
I don't like forcing laws on people. I don't think atheism should be outlawed and I don't think people should force others to choose a certian religion. This is the issue of free will and people have a right to believe what they want.
no one is forced to become a Christian.
sandbar3000 2 years ago
1 and 2, I agree with you. I don't really think atheists do that and I'm a Chrisitan. You brought up the idea of seperation of church and state and how you don't like how poeple force their beliefs on others.
I am a former baptist and I believe 100% in seperation of church and state. Laws that may be classified as "Christian" (such as "no gay marriage") should NOT be made into law.
I'd like for you to watch some of my videos and see what you think of me. But read my channel first. Thanks
sandbar3000 2 years ago
I greatly dislike your hat sir!
JetpackNinjaDinosaur 2 years ago 10
The matrix is the best metaphor for atheism
sheppaul 2 years ago
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago 5
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abba149 2 years ago
YOU ATHEIST BASTARDS WON"T CHANGE MY MIND ....oh wait I'm an Atheist also LOL =P
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago 11
clicked because it was base 16. pretty much agree with you on these topics. though didnt go through them all...stopped around 0xC
tuseroni 2 years ago
tuseroni, there's a part 2 and part 3. Available as responses to this one, or from my channel.
kylben 2 years ago
as an atheist, after all i have heard about Jesus and the Xian God, i really dont want a relationship with him. There are other deities that are far more admirable. However, I am a naturalist and a realist, and I enjoy learning and seeing the world as it is. I dont have any desire to abandon that and surrender myself and my mind to a God. Science and reality are far more inspiring.
4jonah 2 years ago 3
kylben -nicely and succinctly presented.I sub.
stratocaster539 2 years ago
I don't hate Christians. I just don't party with them and wouldn't date one of them. I think they're sort of ignorant and boorish.
I hold no truck with them.
*looks down his nose*
CadicusTheDamned 2 years ago 4
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kylben, you are an idiot, you hate Christians, why? do they threaten to kill you? didn't islamists would kill non islamists including atheists? nobody force you to believe any religion but hating those who never do you harm is idiotic. You said you use logic thenwhat is the logic using your science and evidence and claiming humans came from apes?
lancego30 2 years ago
I don't hate Christians, lance, but I do hate liars, which now includes you. You've used up your one free pass.
kylben 2 years ago
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there you go... youtubers judge who is a blatant liar, read kylben's 16 items he listed at the right side of the screen and look at number 1 which states "We hate Christians". when he said we, does it include him? now who's a liar? maybe you will erase this comment due to shame.
lancego30 2 years ago
lance, you truly are a total doucherocket.
I suggest you reread the video description.
TheRedneckAtheist 2 years ago 4
hahaha all this 16 items you listed is your own opinion hence, they're all yours, since you said you cannot speak for all atheist. Why the hell you stae 1. we hate christianity who never command its followers to kill those who wont believe it, and why not put there WE HATE ISLAM, since their Quran command them to kill infidels including Atheists like you? Are you afraid of the Islamists, a chicken? or you are an Islamist propaganda machine?
lancego30 2 years ago
I argue with Muslims Satanists Christians Jews and Sikhs and Kent Hovandites like you
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
must see video especially for non islamists, this is the truth so fasten your seatbelts and act as soon as possible
watch?v=WWCWB3RwbO4
lancego30 2 years ago
quick question.. with all respect... what is it that atheist believe on how we came about?
coolrockerangel 2 years ago
What is Christians' favorite flavor of ice cream? I don't know that "atheists" believe, I know what I believe. We came about through evolution, some as yet unknown chemical process of abiogenesis, and the big bang. Of course the big bang does not explain how all that matter came to be in the first place. There has been much speculation, some of it in the realm of physics, some mathematical, and some philosophical, but nobody knows for sure. I can live with it being an open question.
kylben 2 years ago
If humans came from apes why the hell still there are apes and that they didint evolve?
lancego30 2 years ago
Are you serious? Even if you don't believe in evolution, you could make an effort to understand what it claims before you go spouting off.
kylben 2 years ago
just answer why apes didnt evolve into humans if humans came from apes. If this is scientific then convince me now. BTW, i hate religions that teaches hate and murder on non believers fyi.
lancego30 2 years ago
"...convince me now."
No.
kylben 2 years ago
you still cannot answer me why the apes didnt evolve into humans if all humans came from them. Maybe the apes came from humans ahahahahahaha.....
lancego30 2 years ago
I have to admit, this argument is a new one for me. I thought I'd heard them all, but I can't recall ever hearing this one before. Of course, the reason for that is that it is too stupid even for the young-earth creationists to make. So, lance, you win a prize, for the stupidist argument I've ever heard against evolution. Congratulations.
kylben 2 years ago
you are entitled to your own opinion but if we speak on scientific things then bring it on the proof. All bla bla bla without proof according to science remains a theory and you miss my point because you only respect yours. Go home and be scientific, study more, atheist.
lancego30 2 years ago
Humans are apes you silly fucker.
TheRedneckAtheist 2 years ago 3
TheRedneckAtheist, call youself a gorilla or a monkey or an ape. I have nothing to do with your ape-religion. Your kids are apes and your parents are apes so go marry an ape and fuck that ape the whole night through. Still that doesnt proved humans came from apes hahahahahaha you are anti-science man bcoz that remains a theory, no proof yet.
lancego30 2 years ago
Prideful ignorance is not laudable, lancego30.
You may want to read "The Language of God", or "Finding Darwin's God", or "Relics of Eden", or "Only a Theory", or... well, TONS of other excellent books expositing the solid evidence for evolution, including human-ape ancestry.
Why did I specifically mention those books?
Because they're written by believers in God, who also happen to be good scientists. (e.g. Francis Collins directed the Human Genome Project, & Ken Miller is a cell biologist.)
Eskarina6 2 years ago 2
believing evoluton without proof still like it leaves me puzzling, believe in what you believe, it's fine with me, as long as you won't harm anyone. Once you say you hate me for what I believe that puts you as an enemy, just like Islamists who love only themselves (though they also kill each other) and declared war against non islam believers including atheists. I only believe science when proof is present through results of experimentations. Evolution is not science to me
lancego30 2 years ago
That would be because you know nothing about it. You've only ever heard the anti-evolution side and never bothered to learn the real thing.
Prove me wrong: name a book on evolution, written by an "evolutionist", that you have read with an effort to genuinely understand.
If you cannot do so, then you might contemplate this for awhile: /watch?v=wLcLflraV-8 .
(Also, try looking up Nylonase, Richard Lenski's E. Coli, Italian Wall Lizard cecal valves, ring species, and TONS of other stuff.)
Eskarina6 2 years ago
Science is not always proven by experimentation. Sci. theories make predictions which can then be tested by observation, for instance. For example, take the big bang theory. We observe cosmic microwave background radiation dated to a few hundred million years and extremely hot (age determined by redshift, another prediction of theory). That observation matches the prediction from the big bang theory. Science is not JUST experimentation -- that's only one part of it. Observations are tests, too.
ThorsDecree 2 years ago
not real science.. at this point, not seeing evolution as science is just unforgivable. the information is out there, all you have to do is look. all of the people I know who don't "believe" in evolution are the same people who dan't like the idea.. coincidence?
dantemustkill 2 years ago 2
The problem is if you're an empiricist, macroevolution is a little tricky to prove (microevolution is simple as cake).
But the religious are totally hypocritical in this respect anyway.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
lol yea mostly they are.
empiricist..? does that mean a person who looks at all information and uses only fact or
a person who selects the group of information that, out of context, makes them the most comfortable?
but really, i don't know what empiricy(?) is lol
dantemustkill 2 years ago
Empiricism is the method by which you prove something to be true based on observable or perceivable evidence.
You can literally watch animals mate and inherit the characteristics of their parents. Obviously this is a little more challenging if you want to watch them over millions of years. We still have fossils and mountains of other evidence, but y'know.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
ok, yea i see what you mean. but for me, microevolution that is very observable raises the likelyhood of macro following the same mechanism.
dantemustkill 2 years ago
That's the thing. Microevolution and macroevolution are the exact same fucking thing, just one takes longer than the other.
Microevolution is you having a kid. Macroevolution is your kid having a kid, that kid having a kid, that kid having a kid, et cetera, over millions of years. But nobody lives long enough to watch it happen, so yeah.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
the difference between the two is about the same as walking to the fridge and walking across town. The second takes longer but uses the exact same mechanism as the first
mordinvan 2 years ago
what if the pope says he doesn't approve of traveling by foot though? then you have a lot of people believing in magic.
lol, i'm getting some hate mail right now =P
dantemustkill 2 years ago
Isn't the spreading of AIDS rampant enough??
cmazzac 2 years ago
what is your point? I dont understand
lancego30 2 years ago
Thank you for providing proof of your total ignorance about science.
TheRedneckAtheist 2 years ago
big bang remains a theory and nobody should believe it if we have to be scientific then where is the proof? bang! that's all? then I believe big bang? that is non scientific!
lancego30 2 years ago
Your a pretty lazy atheist if you are cool with just floating through life, with no real answer to anything. As long as we know you don't ever want to believe in a higher power. Those are some seriously hypocritical statements. You must be a really pathetic person. That isn't me being religous at all, that is me being a realist.
cmazzac 2 years ago
I don't think its anyones job to make anyone believe in anything.. God has to show you the truth in time... If people would read the bible they will see that it is the word of God... that many prophecies have been fulfilled and are yet to be fulfilled... Everyone needs to respect everyone.. true true! :) God bless!
coolrockerangel 2 years ago
Nice video man, you're a cool guy. Rated and subbed ;P
thrashmetalteen 3 years ago
I don't think its so much that I as an atheist wants to change anyone's mind as to there core beliefs (its not like I have all the answers), however I do want people to use reason and acknowledged the source of what a person accepts as true. Faith, or reason.
Xulld00 3 years ago
good, and I salute those religion that do not kill atheist for what they believed unlike islamists who believed only in a pedophile-sex maniac muhammad who taught them to kll infidels(non islam beievers) including atheists. Let people believe on anything and live peacefully.
lancego30 2 years ago
.... or tuber-head tv, anyway... least U seem 2 maintain an open forum; keep on truckin', keeblr :)
TJae1 3 years ago
... I agreed, real debates normally don't occur on Utube TV; esp religious 1s.
TJae1 3 years ago
TJae1, YouTube = "Real" debate?
Utube is more like a circus or soap opera for attention. R a rant for hate-theists.
TJae1 3 years ago
because flipflop can click a thumbs button; smoker.
TJae1 3 years ago
all this over a 8 mnth old comment... oh my, oh my.
TJae1 3 years ago
I was in my dorm kitchen the other day, and of course being held over winter break since my family is an Atheist family. (which I'd like to point out, I wasn't raised an Atheist, in fact my family showed me many different religions and philosophies as a child and at the tender age of four I realized it was all superstitious nonsense) Anyway, this person kept trying to force his beliefs on me. These people are frustrating, as though they think it's their duty to enslave my mind.
TheHanzoMK1 3 years ago
Yeah MK1, I know how U feel, except only atheists seem 2 do this; esp @ Utube.
TJae1 3 years ago
Please, don't refer to me in such a familiar sense. I don't know you and there for show the respect of stating my full screen-name.
TheHanzoMK1 3 years ago
Heh, Hanzo; your Screen-name isn't real; maybe tj should try for butthead, instead.
smoker22343 3 years ago
14 = stupid...I mean come on!
Atheists, by definition, don't believe in a god, so how can we believe we are judging him, if we don't believe that he exists in the first place?
Surhotchaperchlorome 3 years ago
The thing with religions is many against religions secretly want to either destroy religion Stalinist style, or the nice way. There is no nice way. The only way to destroy is to exterminate or wage war between ideologies. Bloody Bloody wars in killing off millions of people who believe, and start from scratch with an unaware generation. There's no nice way. Violence must be the answer and tolerated. Like Stalin. As long as religion is here, true peace can't prosper between humanity. Force them.
BlackMambaLAKB24 3 years ago
You speak of Stalin as though he's an unpopular guy. Most Soviets admired the guy, he basically along with Peter the Great pulled Russia out of the dark-ages.
TheHanzoMK1 3 years ago
I speak of Stalin with great admiration, even though by much propoganda we Americans grew up to rather hate these tyrannical men.Why would you say that. When I said Stalinist style, I meant it, because that's what the choice is against religion.I said people like me who sees religion as one of humanities greatest threats to progress our minds and find ways to stop confining us to stupid beliefs.I said that I admit sometimes feeling like Stalin. I'd forcibly take away religion Stalinist. style
BlackMambaLAKB24 3 years ago
Stalin killed an estimated 20 million people.... If you as an atheist want to stop religious killings, but idolize Joseph Stalin. I don't even think I need to go any further, hypocrite.
P.S. Joseph Stalin worshipped himself, and murdered those who didn't follow suit. Your an idiot
cmazzac 2 years ago
Can you honestly name a single person you know who "idolizes Joseph Stalin"? LOL Give me a break. Nice straw man.
Also, you may want to look-up the Taiping Rebellion (amongst MANY other things) before mouthing off too loudly about how many people Stalin killed, and acting as if Christianity has immaculately clean hands.
Eskarina6 2 years ago
Man you took every thought in my head on these issues to and spoke them.
Subfightr 3 years ago
as an atheist i think i am less afraid of dying than your average theist. i don't believe in an afterlife, so i don't worry about my actions influencing that afterlife. when i die i will be unconscious, unaware, and unable to conceive of anything. this is a state of peace, with no worries, no pain, and no conflict.
greycloud24 3 years ago 5
it's debatable
camojaden 3 years ago
It's not.
Managasm 3 years ago
I don't know why so many atheists give enough creedance to Pascal's Wager to even argue against it. Sure, Pascal's Wager is a lovely wager...but it's just a Wager. The "logic" behind this has absolutely NO BEARING on the truth of anything. It simply doesn't even function on ANY level as any kind of argument for the existence of ANYTHING.
torresmatt 3 years ago
thats wat im thinkin NFT2
jdionproductions 3 years ago
I'm an athiest and I would say that if there were some event that proved the existence of a god beyond the shadow of a doubt, I would be first in line to believe in him. Unfortunately. this hasn't happened yet.
Cheers,
Mike
NFT2 3 years ago
I think it's funny we have to defend ourselves by using this line. I mean...OBVIOUSLY if we ever become convinced there is a god...then we'll believe there's a god. By definition, if you are convinced of something, that means you believe it. And by the same token, if you believe something, you believe it because you're convinced. We just hold a different standard of what it takes to be "convinced". For us it takes a lot more than a "warm fuzzy feeling" or a sense of "awe" to be "convinced".
torresmatt 3 years ago
"if you believe something, you believe it because you're convinced. We just hold a different standard of what it takes to be "convinced"."
That's not really what he's saying. He saying that if there was any actual evidence of his existence, he would believe in him. The problem isn't the degree of evidence but the existence of it in any shape or form. What Christians use for convincing themselves is not what is known as evidence. Christians simply demand no proof at all for God's existence.
787Bisurdaddy 3 years ago
You're right. I suppose "it makes me feel warm and fuzzy" and "I don't want to go to hell" and "I don't want to live in a world where there is no god" or "god talks to me (in my head) aren't really forms of evidence at all. They'll swear up and down that it is, but...you're right, it's not. It's almost like conviction can come BEFORE evidence for some people....
torresmatt 3 years ago
Not only before, but without evidence, and even in spite of evidence to the contrary.
"Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" (as they like to say), but it sure is a great indicator of likelihood.
787Bisurdaddy 3 years ago
In a universe where god did exist, and all of the terrible things that hurt the world happen, why would you worship him anyway. It seems a bit like giving a blowjob to somebody who stubs the occasional cigarette out on your head just so they will give you a lift home.
Oh, and don't bother with that free will crap, so many of these bad things occur regardless of human activity, did the ocean send the tsunami of its own volition?
gabiotta 3 years ago
I know Jesus; he works on my car.
podiumman2 3 years ago 4
Jesus Suarez
JamesThWilliams 3 years ago
I agree with you almost 100%. You have covered many of my feelings about Christians, Atheists, etc. The thing I find about these two religions is that atheists have a lot more proof with out beliefs. We have laws of physics, years of scientific discoveries, etc. Christianity has something a 3 year old would be talked into believing in (that's what the church is there for...) and a book written by psycho people. I see more problems with christianity than with atheism.
Good job with the vid = )
cheeser180 3 years ago
Easy there Cheeser180
Atheist is not a religion :-)
RhinoAts51 3 years ago
john popper?
chunkybutt420 3 years ago
acctually I do want to know Jesus, even thou I Know he doesn't exist, I'd like to meet him if he really existed, but he doesn't, I'd like an illusion like that, and by being there I woulnd't be aware of the way I think right now, so I guess my life would be easier, at least mentally, you don't speak for ALL atheist, but you have some points
rick664ath 3 years ago
Actually, the fact that what you have to say may not apply to all atheists is the very ESSENCE of atheism.
I think the biggest problem with religious people, the biggest stumbling block to get past is faith versus knowledge; we don't have absolute knowledge, so the theist fills in the gaps with faith. The theist is not comfortable with ambiguity and uncertainty, so they make things up and take comfort from it. The atheist instead tries to FIND the truth, and is okay when they don't have it YET.
BionicDance 3 years ago 3
christian hating must b a popularity gimmic here at Utube... any comments about modern entertainment?... U gotta do better than this...
TJae1 3 years ago
Tjae1,
I guess you didn't listen to the whole video because you just made the statement that atheists hate christians pretty much...
Read myth #1 :)
flipflops2248 3 years ago