He was a passionate NAMBLA supporter, making him a pedophile, or at least, a hardcore pedophile sympathizer. Therefore, anything he has to say, any goodwill he has attained, all accomplishments are officially cancelled out for time immemorial.
I have read enormous amounts of material on Ginsburg and have never come across any info that he was attracted to children....where does this BS come from? Allen liked MEN, he was not attracted to kids. That said, he smoked tons of pot over the years to be able to speak the way he does here. Go Allen!
It just occured to me...if all the meaningless things that Allen Ginsberg said and did were unsaid and undone...he wouldn't exist. And this comment wouldn't exist...So in conclusion...meaningless things have a meening to other meaningless thing. And thus there is meaning in everything...which is just as well for Allen!
is there any way you could upload allen ginsberg reading "song" aloud, from the life and times of allen ginsberg? i haven't been able to find it on the internet at all. :\ please help a sista out!
yes, excellent statements. The medium is a rationale, between two irrationalities, my being and his being. Across time. To him I am in a quantum state, a possibility, an indefinity. To me he is a definity, he existed. I can predict his future he can affect my past. My existence is a result of his choice I am trapped upon the premises of choices he made The power of choice is in his hands Like all the other gods of 1967 10 years before I was born This comment is going nowhere
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God this no talent, pedophile jew is so ugly, annoying and overrated. God what crap this hippie, butt pirate spewed out. I almost puked when i had to read this scumbag in university.
@BevHillsKid Mann you are worthless you have nothing to offer nothing to be remembered by. Your a fuckingfagget educational slave go back unviersity you slave. how long you gonna let them pussh you aroundd huh. i beett you likee do youu. i bet you like gettingyou face dragged in the shit.
@dumbfuckingthing It's kind of odd that you're calling him an "educational slave" when that education is actually exposing him to Allen Ginsberg. Like any other experience in life, "higher education" requires you to take control of your learning and your experience is ultimately your responsibility. Most professors are completely overjoyed if you decide to expand your learning beyond the curriculum. Indoctrination in universities is an excuse of the lazy.
@BevHillsKid expand your mind you fucking slave i bet your just a little follow of all the childish fads. you need to break loose of all these false oppenions becase allen is true to him self and allways was. so maybe you need to try some lsd or maybe some messcalin. but really man your a beverlyhills kid if i sawyouin real life id probably be goingto jail for life. THIS WORLD IS FILLED WITH SUCH STUPID PEOPLE ALL THE REAL PEOPLE ARE DEAD.AND I THINK THIS EGNORANT POPULATION WILLJUSTGETMOREDUMB
@treyLung Whoa I just checked that out and yeah he is. He supported Nambla, which is an organisation under IPCE (International Pedophile and Child Emancipation lobby).
wow. obamatron and friends, would you kindly not hijack someones vid and instead defer your mindless rambling to private msgs? i won't bother to argue any premise, just hope you realize no one really cares about the bs you ramble and would rather read comments more relevent to the vid.
everyone keeps giving me "thumb down" for my comment,so i feel i need to explain my comment,i really like(d) Ginsberg,BUT he actually sided with "NAMBLA" for a while and thats just disgusting,if its true what he said,that he wanted to create a debate around freedom of speech (wich i hope it was) thats fine by me,but if not,and hes sexually attracted to kids i hate him...but,hey,instead of giving me thumbs down,debate with me,prove to me that he wasnt scum...
@McGraffix for some reason people who have some emotional baggage tend to go nuts when they do acid while people who feel good mentally have a good time
@McGraffix Definitely agree. LSD is not only a kind, but helpful drug that lets you see inside yourself and out into the far stretches of reality. When treated with respect, it can show us spirit, universe, infinity. I take and have taken LSD and other psychedelics and am a perfectly "normal" person day to day. I just feel more "aware", now.
even a nightmarish lsd death-trip can be one of the most worthy experiences. the mind can be a very dark place and facing demons one by one may be terrifying.often the most gratifying experiences take some measure of courage, a notion that ought to be inherent in the idea of exploring oneself internally, but a conquest made all the more noble for those same reasons.In the end, the lessons learned by experience are invaluable and arguably the journey inward the single most important.
Some things dont require intellectual evaluation,they are just best left in the gutter,to look up at brighter things,as a most famous paedophile once wrote(Oscar Wilde).
Some things can be taken objectively,and appreciated for what they are(Oscar Wilde,etc).
However,some things cannot(NAMBLA:Dedicated to lowering the age of consent).
Dont be afraid to judge because you think its not "New Agey".
That whole interview is here on youtube,and heaps of others are too.
It IS sad.
Every few years they like to send some "reporter" in there to poke the animal in the cage,he's everones favourite boogey man.
I don't neccesarily think that Charlie was a great guy,as he was surrounded by occult figures like Anton Lavey,and numerous other creeps:"The Process Church",who were also envolved in the "Son if Sam" killings(All Satanism/occult creepiness)...
Much of the "counterculture" had shady connections.
Leary was a CIA agent,and the CIA had alot to do with acid distribution,as they do today with heroin,and crack.
LSD was used extensively in mind-control experiments in military bases,such as Edgewood Arsenal,were Frank Zappa spent time growing up in a military family.
Jim Morrison's father was an Admiral in the Navy,and had part in officially begining the Vietnam War-"The Gulf of Tonkin Incedent."
@crlxc,you do not look like an idiot, just another drone in the hive. Who doesn't know about Zappa's very vocal distain for the hippies? Do you not see any show-business,and theatre surrounding pop music? It's all just legit,one-way,straight-talking "honesty-with-the-stars" is it? Riiiight. No false "rivalries" between manufactured bands,no publicity stunts,no apparent contradictions.... It's all just one biiiiig gig in the sky,huh? Right. Very good,Dorothy. Enjoy Pepsi,Dickhead.
I think it's funny that you took the time to call me a drone in the hive and a dickhead in the same bit. The fact that you are resolving to blatantly use childish insults gave me the closure i needed to finally begin ignoring you. Have fun pretending you are an intellectual on the internet. The rest of us will go on enjoying life.
Its the same "Do what thou wilt" philosophy that is manifest in the "Free Love" idealism.
Its an ultimately very unhealthy,and destructive little piece of false reasoning,based around utter rejection of common morality that has done nobody any favours.
"Man as animal",this kind of thing.
Crowley was not a nice guy,who died a very unhappy,and confused man,who was dissilusioned about his earlier choices in the morallity-rejection trip.
I follow, pretty much, but I don't understand: what's wrong with "pure imagery"? Isn't that what psychedelics and avant-garde paradigms promote most of the time? I, myself, believe that profundity often comes from what's "pure", "simple", or "meaningless" (a la Blake in the "Auguries" poem).
An exercise in boredom, the so called beats with the exception of Burroughs' Junky and some of Kerouac's works, a clique that scholars like but actually doesnt have half the passion of half a Bukowksi line. Experiments don't always work, specially "cut ups" and everything this bloke wrote after the Howl, the dots on the tivi...and a repulsive interviewer with his tongue up ginsberg's ass
Basically, there are realities and electronics. Both of you are real souls communicating in a different time of space yet you are communicating on a conscious level, through site and mind and spirit, so this cannot be false. This presence cannot be false since you both sense each other.
If Allen Ginsberg Molested a child or had alleged relations with a child(which I don't believe). Then well screw him wish he had went down for it... Yet his writings are still fantastic! and still the greatest most unique archaic gift to American Literature. I assure you that his writings and poems are 100% child molester free!. You can imprison the priest, but you can't burn the church!!!! (thats mine btw,Plz don't plagurize me on that last part)
this guy was one of the most amazing minds to have ever lived. EVER. its a damn shame his support for nambla is even mentioned by anyone, because that was just part of his philosophy that we are all free to live the life we want against this oppressive world.
But say what you will anyway, because it makes no difference. Ginsberg was on a whole different level than most of us are and if the human race stands any chance we need to start listening to the free minds like his. He preached love.
I've been a fan of Ginsberg for many years. Read his poetry, heard his songs and read his biographies. However; it is becoming clearer and clearer this man was not at that he's cracked up to be. Look closely and he REALLy wasn't as intelligent as we think. Even this speech is pseudo-iintellectual and obvious
That's right, wsoccer, he did preach love: with little boys. "its a damn shame his support of nambla is even mentioned by anyone" Yes, we should censor that, right? I don't see how you figure he rebelled against an 'oppressive world.' In fact, I think sexually abusing children is pretty oppressive in itself.
Ginsberg only recycles things that are self-evident to a true mystic, but to an acid-head, everything appears so profound, doesn't it?
Oooh, Ginsberg tells everyone how we're all one. Whoopidity doo. That's kid stuff. Anyone with a properly functioning brain should have figured that out on their own by the time they hit puberty.
Ginsberg is a pseudo-intellectual. This guy supports NAMBLA as well. He support child molestors, and that's just a fact. Personally, I think he should be put up against a wall along with every other degenerate.
Why? We need to cleanse our collective unconsciousness.
where do you get this information about him supporting NAMBLA or child molestors???. Please show some sort of documented evidence that he "supports child molesters" or NAMBLA?. Just cause he was an open homosexual in a time where it wasn't socially accepted,doesn't make him a pedophile.
Allen Ginsberg: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance." Ginsberg is a card-carrying member of NAMBLA. He's advocated NAMBLA in interviews and in a documentary on NAMBLA. Ginsberg wrote an essay called "Thoughts on NAMBLA." He is a pedophile, and he supports sexual abuse on children.
he supports NAMBLA for its freedom of expression: the unity of sexuality between child and adult. However, i think this is open to much abuse, Allen Ginsberg is exercising his free mind, and he is indeed regardless of this: a fantasic poet.
And when you've cleaned your unconsciousness, and the bucket is full of your own dirty thoughts, what do you suppose we'll find? I think that was sort of the point of this clip. Don't distinguish yourself as some unique entity. Ginsberg didn't. I personally don't want to live in your collectively cleansed state. I want Ginsbergs' in the world to disgust or adore. You remember him as a wannabe pedophile, and I'll remember him as a artist who painted with words the oppressive reality of his time.
Seems you're just trying to white-wash. If you feel like it, you can remember John Wayne Gacy as a performer and artist who brought joy to people's hearts.
I don't distinguish myself as unique. I don't even believe in individualism. I will remember Ginsberg as a pedophile trumpeteer. In fact, I'd say that scumbags like him create the oppressive reality of our current spiritual Dark Age.
Ancient Germanic tribes would drown the spiritually unclean in a bog so their spirit couldn't escape.
NAMBLA aren't child molestors, they support what they see as consensual relations with young boys. At least that's what South Park has led me to believe :P
we call this a guy a crackpot because we fear him. he isn't glamourized by the goverment or the fricken media because he is ''out of his mind'' thats why society is so fucked. because to understand this is crazy, to take it in, to even try to understand concepts, to think out of the box is shameful. man. this guy is a beast who didn't think of what people wanted him to think or be.
It is very hard to have intelligent debate or conversation with somebody who refuses to cite resources and insults others with crude offensive language.
1. I stated you sources and quotes only for you to say they were "raped" out of context - much like he raped little boys. Read fame and death about being in bed with little boys.
2. Still haven't received your apology in calling me an ignoramus.
3. You're probably lying about your health. You just don't want to work.
4. IF you are dying, don't waste your energy on youtube.
Many apologists have tried to fuzz the edges of this one, usually saying that Ginsberg's support was more a part of a general free speech issue, but here is a quote from NAMBLA's own website
"Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ...
I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity."
Mrgyn....He was a NAMBLA member making those comments. Nothing was taking out of context. He was known to have sexual relationships with teenage boys. Most of all, I'm not your mommy, do your own homework and find the sources yourself. You fat fuck. I bet you don't have a job...do you?
2. Ginsberg never had any sexual relations with teenage boys, please state your sources proving this.
3. You have once again made a personal and incorrect insult towards me. I am not fat, I am actually terminally ill and have trouble staying over 100 pounds. I do not work because I am at home sick in bed on disability.
4. I've noticed you making negative comments on other Ginsberg videos, which would suggest unemployment and lack of social life
stating "NAMBLA's a forum for reform of those laws on youthful sexuality which members deem oppressive, (it is) a discussion society not a sex club." Ginsberg expressed the opinion that the appreciation of youthful bodies and "the human form divine" has been a common theme throughout the history of culture, "from Rome's Vatican, to Florence's Uffizi galleries, to New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art", and that laws regarding the issue needed to be more openly discussed.
Ginsberg also spoke out in defense of the freedom of expression of NAMBLA.[19]. He defended his membership by stating
"Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance."
Ginsberg stated "I joined NAMBLA in defense of free speech..." In "Thoughts on NAMBLA", published in Deliberate Prose, Ginsberg elaborated on these thoughts,
Mrgyn....Well I guess when you sign-up to become a member of NAMBLA that pretty much explains that you are a member. Plus he had made MANY comments on how it's ok for grown men to love little boys. Mrgyn, why are you defending NAMBLA?
Did you not read a thing I said? "Which comments" are you exactly speaking of?
I told you just now, not only did he verbally support NAMBLA he also was a member. He believed in freedom of choice and expression in anyway, but did not participate in pedophilia.
Mrgyn......"I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity"....That's a direct quote from Ginsberg. He also wrote poems about loving little boys. Why are you protecting NAMBLA? You need to go out and get a real job instead of plomping your fat ass on a computer every day.
You just took those comments and raped them out of context.
Can I see a source proving he said that? And if he did say that it is quite obvious what he is trying to prove. He is noting that ones love towards children does NOT have to be Sexual, and his poetry about little boys is mere observation (I have yet to see these poems, so I will count on you to bring me resources proving everything you just said.)
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He just used a lot of words and didn't say very much. I don't hate Ginsberg, and sometimes I feel he had the right idea about some things, but he kind of lacked the word power to really say anything.
I like Ginsberg, but this was 1967 and I think we all know about television and "the person on the other side of the screen" fully well. Or maybe I'm missing the point.
He was a passionate NAMBLA supporter, making him a pedophile, or at least, a hardcore pedophile sympathizer. Therefore, anything he has to say, any goodwill he has attained, all accomplishments are officially cancelled out for time immemorial.
PsychoBurgundy3 1 month ago
I have read enormous amounts of material on Ginsburg and have never come across any info that he was attracted to children....where does this BS come from? Allen liked MEN, he was not attracted to kids. That said, he smoked tons of pot over the years to be able to speak the way he does here. Go Allen!
spd13062 3 months ago
what a load of hippie horseshit
manwithouthat44 4 months ago
It just occured to me...if all the meaningless things that Allen Ginsberg said and did were unsaid and undone...he wouldn't exist. And this comment wouldn't exist...So in conclusion...meaningless things have a meening to other meaningless thing. And thus there is meaning in everything...which is just as well for Allen!
skonnie 11 months ago
is there any way you could upload allen ginsberg reading "song" aloud, from the life and times of allen ginsberg? i haven't been able to find it on the internet at all. :\ please help a sista out!
gypsyeyes008 1 year ago
What's he on about?
2Touchstone 1 year ago
This should be added to the beginning of EVERY YouTube clip.
PorroFirst 1 year ago 18
natmanprime 1 year ago 2
I'm reporting on him this Friday for school!
GAAH! I'm so nervous. I'm going to have to act like him for my presentation. :P
proudtobefilipino92 1 year ago
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God this no talent, pedophile jew is so ugly, annoying and overrated. God what crap this hippie, butt pirate spewed out. I almost puked when i had to read this scumbag in university.
BevHillsKid 1 year ago
@BevHillsKid Mann you are worthless you have nothing to offer nothing to be remembered by. Your a fuckingfagget educational slave go back unviersity you slave. how long you gonna let them pussh you aroundd huh. i beett you likee do youu. i bet you like gettingyou face dragged in the shit.
dumbfuckingthing 1 year ago
@dumbfuckingthing It's kind of odd that you're calling him an "educational slave" when that education is actually exposing him to Allen Ginsberg. Like any other experience in life, "higher education" requires you to take control of your learning and your experience is ultimately your responsibility. Most professors are completely overjoyed if you decide to expand your learning beyond the curriculum. Indoctrination in universities is an excuse of the lazy.
4zxeue 1 year ago
@BevHillsKid expand your mind you fucking slave i bet your just a little follow of all the childish fads. you need to break loose of all these false oppenions becase allen is true to him self and allways was. so maybe you need to try some lsd or maybe some messcalin. but really man your a beverlyhills kid if i sawyouin real life id probably be goingto jail for life. THIS WORLD IS FILLED WITH SUCH STUPID PEOPLE ALL THE REAL PEOPLE ARE DEAD.AND I THINK THIS EGNORANT POPULATION WILLJUSTGETMOREDUMB
dumbfuckingthing 1 year ago
2012 SUMMER OF LOVE
Manwithcam 1 year ago
Jean Baudrillard..
1988bluemoon 1 year ago
@1988bluemoon man, I thought i was the only one thinking about him too...
YavinArba 1 year ago
allen ginsberg was a fucking pedphile
treyLung 1 year ago
@treyLung Whoa I just checked that out and yeah he is. He supported Nambla, which is an organisation under IPCE (International Pedophile and Child Emancipation lobby).
waldoistwisted 1 year ago 2
@treyLung Just like your dad
casadyrocks 1 year ago
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allen ginsberg was a fucking pedphile
treyLung 1 year ago
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Thank od he is dead.
IdiotsForObamaCom 1 year ago
Thank God he is dead.
IdiotsForObamaCom 1 year ago
@IdiotsForObamaCom I hope you kill yourself you loser piece of shit. I'd like to shit down your mother's throat while you watch.
Ryan2142 1 year ago
@Ryan2142 Great poem, you are a genius.
antoniomedina20061 1 year ago
@IdiotsForObamaCom that's a bit harsh but lol anyway
Sobriety7 1 year ago
@IdiotsForObamaCom Hope that you are next
casadyrocks 1 year ago
Does this make sense at all?
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
Yes it does
HippieGuitarBoy 1 year ago 5
@ZLUGGO
Not to me.
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
@ZLUGGO oh good I'm glad it's not just me
Sobriety7 1 year ago
wow. obamatron and friends, would you kindly not hijack someones vid and instead defer your mindless rambling to private msgs? i won't bother to argue any premise, just hope you realize no one really cares about the bs you ramble and would rather read comments more relevent to the vid.
adreanix 1 year ago 4
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fucked up pedophile
Bolshevikpirayan 1 year ago
everyone keeps giving me "thumb down" for my comment,so i feel i need to explain my comment,i really like(d) Ginsberg,BUT he actually sided with "NAMBLA" for a while and thats just disgusting,if its true what he said,that he wanted to create a debate around freedom of speech (wich i hope it was) thats fine by me,but if not,and hes sexually attracted to kids i hate him...but,hey,instead of giving me thumbs down,debate with me,prove to me that he wasnt scum...
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Bolshevikpirayan 1 year ago
Ginsberg was always mad, completely out of his mind. Always, I really mean it. That's how it is with true loons.
monroetsd 1 year ago
this is probably the best video about video on youtube
jbportland07 2 years ago 4
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this guy sucks
fabalooo 2 years ago
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TheBarefootServant 2 years ago
I've done TONS of LSD and I loved it all and never had a bad time...
I'm a pretty normal person today
McGraffix 2 years ago 25
i think you need to have a "bad time" on lsd to put things into perspective, or hone your sights. and define "pretty" haha
killratoss 1 year ago
@McGraffix Share the love, man, share the love.
Manwithcam 1 year ago
@McGraffix this is also true for me.
Matika 1 year ago
@McGraffix for some reason people who have some emotional baggage tend to go nuts when they do acid while people who feel good mentally have a good time
Bolsjevikpirayan 1 year ago
@Bolsjevikpirayan Hell ya!
cyclos12 1 year ago
@McGraffix Definitely agree. LSD is not only a kind, but helpful drug that lets you see inside yourself and out into the far stretches of reality. When treated with respect, it can show us spirit, universe, infinity. I take and have taken LSD and other psychedelics and am a perfectly "normal" person day to day. I just feel more "aware", now.
andpyramids 9 months ago
@McGraffix
even a nightmarish lsd death-trip can be one of the most worthy experiences. the mind can be a very dark place and facing demons one by one may be terrifying.often the most gratifying experiences take some measure of courage, a notion that ought to be inherent in the idea of exploring oneself internally, but a conquest made all the more noble for those same reasons.In the end, the lessons learned by experience are invaluable and arguably the journey inward the single most important.
blessedwildapplegirl 9 months ago
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another mind-poisoning JEW motherfucker.
oldstock1607 2 years ago
2012 the song - Harry Loco the missing link between the 60's and the future !
ANEWWORLD2012 2 years ago
Allen Ginsberg really smokes the bone.
Literally.
He was even a member of "NAMBLA"(North American Man Boy Love Association").
As for his rambling?
He's just another Timothy Leary.
But neither are anywhere even close to a Charles Manson.
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
I wouldn't have an issue with him being gay,its his being dull that really irritates me.
As for NAMBLA,so you believe there should not be a love that "dare not speak its name"?
do you realize what they were campaigning for?
(No laws governing age of consent)
So your okay with the "love" that would see a middle aged man seek out the sodomising of a fourteen year old boy?
Charles Manson,and how does he relate to all this?
check the dates and connections.
I'll send you a video,he speaks..
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
Your using silly word games,and specious reasoning to talk up a flowery justification for paedophillia.
Are you sure thats a path you want to go down?
"Who says a pedo should be locked away for sodomising a fourteen year old boy?"
I do.
Do you understand why kids aren't tried in courts as adults?
Its because they aren't always folks that make the best choices for themselves.
Do you remember being fourteen?
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
Why try and understand it?
Some things dont require intellectual evaluation,they are just best left in the gutter,to look up at brighter things,as a most famous paedophile once wrote(Oscar Wilde).
Some things can be taken objectively,and appreciated for what they are(Oscar Wilde,etc).
However,some things cannot(NAMBLA:Dedicated to lowering the age of consent).
Dont be afraid to judge because you think its not "New Agey".
Judgement is our friend.
Without it we are robots.
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
Its all double-talk from you,all the time.
Its like facing a relentless barrage of New Age post-card ideology.
Its disposable.
It reads in three seconds,and amounts to nothing.
You take a silly position on something,which you intend on dazzling your way through reason with nonsense.
None of this is to say your dim.
I strongly believe otherwise.
I just dont think your giving yourself enough credit to carry on a normal conversation without your dull,and trite lyrical devices.
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
I read them.
I dont recall making any accusations.
In fact,it was you,in your last post that attempted a manipulative little manouvre at amatuer psyche-evaluation of me:
"I am sure there are things about you that are different,or alien."
You dont have "ideas".
You have the one line of New Age rhetoric that you throw around in an attempt to be a mini-guru.
Guess what?
Your not the only person in the world who has ever tripped,so lose the strap-on Buddhism.
Its pointless.
Speak...
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
I didn't get this post of yours untill I had replied to your last one.
Of course I value your opinion,thats just what I have been trying to say.
Its the lingo I dont value.
Incedentally,I sent you a video the other day.
But they do not always work at the recieving end.
My friends often dont the stuff I send them.
Ghosts in the machine.
It was the Charles Manson tape I promised.
Go to may channel,and look on favourites at "Charles manson speech".
Let me know what you think....
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
Sorry about that second last post,I was a little heavy-handed.
I talk to alot of idiots here,and sometimes I am too quick to lump people onto the scrap heap.
That was in his earlier prison days,Charlie has spent most of his life there.
See how he speaks a more dynamic version of the same flavour?
Its like the same kind of existentialist stuff,with a harder edge.
His is an interesting story too.
Charlie speaks so much Truth it makes my heart race.
There is more...
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
Yeah,I know the one you mean.
That whole interview is here on youtube,and heaps of others are too.
It IS sad.
Every few years they like to send some "reporter" in there to poke the animal in the cage,he's everones favourite boogey man.
I don't neccesarily think that Charlie was a great guy,as he was surrounded by occult figures like Anton Lavey,and numerous other creeps:"The Process Church",who were also envolved in the "Son if Sam" killings(All Satanism/occult creepiness)...
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
Much of the "counterculture" had shady connections.
Leary was a CIA agent,and the CIA had alot to do with acid distribution,as they do today with heroin,and crack.
LSD was used extensively in mind-control experiments in military bases,such as Edgewood Arsenal,were Frank Zappa spent time growing up in a military family.
Jim Morrison's father was an Admiral in the Navy,and had part in officially begining the Vietnam War-"The Gulf of Tonkin Incedent."
All this stuff can be researched easily...
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
I have to sign out now,but we should open a private message if your interested.
If so,I'll speak to you then.
If not,All the best to you and your family.
Regards, Henry.
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
what the hell are you talking about. first of all, Zappa hated LSD, and he never did it.
crlxc 2 years ago
Where did you read that?
A fanzine?
Go suck a lemon,Lucille.
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
He didn't hate it, he just didn't take it.
Belchera 2 years ago
No I heard it from his mouth, on an interview, on this website.
But it was probably set up by the CIA so that ignorant folks such as myself could look like idiots when debating informed people.
Oh, wait.
crlxc 2 years ago
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
I think it's funny that you took the time to call me a drone in the hive and a dickhead in the same bit. The fact that you are resolving to blatantly use childish insults gave me the closure i needed to finally begin ignoring you. Have fun pretending you are an intellectual on the internet. The rest of us will go on enjoying life.
crlxc 2 years ago
ahah. though i liked his comment, intelligence always prevails. good show.
killratoss 1 year ago
i like your style, sir.
killratoss 1 year ago
There is a great book I just finished a while back about some of these things if you are interested in knowing more.
It is called "Acid Dreams:The complete social history of LSD,the CIA etc.."
It is NOT complete,but its a start.
There is heaps of stuff on the web too.
There is evidence to suggest that the whole "counterculture" was cooked up by the hidden hand as an early social-engineering attempt at the NWO.
I DO like the vibe,and the music/intrigue ,but simply remain aware of the agenda.
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
Crowley is mixed up in it all too.
Its the same "Do what thou wilt" philosophy that is manifest in the "Free Love" idealism.
Its an ultimately very unhealthy,and destructive little piece of false reasoning,based around utter rejection of common morality that has done nobody any favours.
"Man as animal",this kind of thing.
Crowley was not a nice guy,who died a very unhappy,and confused man,who was dissilusioned about his earlier choices in the morallity-rejection trip.
He was an MI5 agent!
TheOBAMATRON 2 years ago
Charles and the Family were hung up for the Tate Murders,and they were probably right to be.
But there were other third parties envolved,which we never hear about.
There are often intelligence(CIA)connections that are envolved with cults,and "The Family" were no different.
Charles was said to have been a mind-controlled slave,who was programmed at the nearby China Lake Air Force facility.
His errand:causing shit between the Black Panthers,and the Hippies in order to sully both parties.
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
I follow, pretty much, but I don't understand: what's wrong with "pure imagery"? Isn't that what psychedelics and avant-garde paradigms promote most of the time? I, myself, believe that profundity often comes from what's "pure", "simple", or "meaningless" (a la Blake in the "Auguries" poem).
thinedoor2 2 years ago
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13thfloor18 2 years ago
Interesting. Thanks for the reply.
thinedoor2 2 years ago
A great voice...in all ways...
Poemsapennyeach 2 years ago
haha, I hate to love Ginsberg, but I really love to love 'im.
ajsparks87 2 years ago
There is just something lovable about ginsberg. What he just said was complete bollocks but bollocks with such enthusiasm and vigor!
sonetlumiere12345678 2 years ago
not that I do , but what you mean is that you don't understand what he is saying, that doesn't make it bollocks.
1joewade1 2 years ago
More negative votes from persons that confuse simplistic crap with brilliance plix
rizla1951 2 years ago
An exercise in boredom, the so called beats with the exception of Burroughs' Junky and some of Kerouac's works, a clique that scholars like but actually doesnt have half the passion of half a Bukowksi line. Experiments don't always work, specially "cut ups" and everything this bloke wrote after the Howl, the dots on the tivi...and a repulsive interviewer with his tongue up ginsberg's ass
rizla1951 2 years ago
Meh. maybe.
tehBabby 2 years ago
please, find somewhere else to spout this... up somebody's ass, perhaps.
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djrepertoire 2 years ago
time is an illusion, space is an illusion. that's what he's saying. we're all together no matter what.
cosmicnotion 2 years ago
I'm high and this is just what I'm getting from it.
cosmicnotion 2 years ago
When I say both you I mean Ginsberg and the viewer.
cosmicnotion 2 years ago
Basically, there are realities and electronics. Both of you are real souls communicating in a different time of space yet you are communicating on a conscious level, through site and mind and spirit, so this cannot be false. This presence cannot be false since you both sense each other.
cosmicnotion 2 years ago 2
And now the news....
FleshTorturer 2 years ago
wtf did he just say?
hairman180 2 years ago
I am going to favorite this and watch it again next time I'm stoned.
celshader 2 years ago 12
here here!
tripepitoch 2 years ago
I am
Man0uille25 2 years ago
He goes 3D :o
ifurn0 2 years ago
That is amazing to listen to... i found a site that has cool writing also it is ColorsAndSounds dot
Hendrixleft 2 years ago
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Holy Crap! By the time this recording was made, the guy was a deluded burn-out. Did he really think this blather was brilliant?
FeoAmante 2 years ago
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Blow it out your ass you cowboy hat wearing goober.
aperisions 2 years ago
Probably owes to a combination of bad poetry, acid and Buddhism
spinozareagan 2 years ago
It's irrelevant whether or not he thought it was brilliant. He probably knew that it wasn't. But i think it is. He probably knew people would.
ForlornAlbionDreamer 2 years ago
If Allen Ginsberg Molested a child or had alleged relations with a child(which I don't believe). Then well screw him wish he had went down for it... Yet his writings are still fantastic! and still the greatest most unique archaic gift to American Literature. I assure you that his writings and poems are 100% child molester free!. You can imprison the priest, but you can't burn the church!!!! (thats mine btw,Plz don't plagurize me on that last part)
spooninspoon 2 years ago
wtf is his point? he's just rambling about what he sees and what we're seeing... BRILLIANT
thisis9999054 2 years ago
this guy was one of the most amazing minds to have ever lived. EVER. its a damn shame his support for nambla is even mentioned by anyone, because that was just part of his philosophy that we are all free to live the life we want against this oppressive world.
But say what you will anyway, because it makes no difference. Ginsberg was on a whole different level than most of us are and if the human race stands any chance we need to start listening to the free minds like his. He preached love.
wsoccer1 2 years ago 2
I've been a fan of Ginsberg for many years. Read his poetry, heard his songs and read his biographies. However; it is becoming clearer and clearer this man was not at that he's cracked up to be. Look closely and he REALLy wasn't as intelligent as we think. Even this speech is pseudo-iintellectual and obvious
TheodorBjork 2 years ago
Sounds like you just got bored of him.
easternslavic 2 years ago
That's right, wsoccer, he did preach love: with little boys. "its a damn shame his support of nambla is even mentioned by anyone" Yes, we should censor that, right? I don't see how you figure he rebelled against an 'oppressive world.' In fact, I think sexually abusing children is pretty oppressive in itself.
Ginsberg only recycles things that are self-evident to a true mystic, but to an acid-head, everything appears so profound, doesn't it?
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
Oooh, Ginsberg tells everyone how we're all one. Whoopidity doo. That's kid stuff. Anyone with a properly functioning brain should have figured that out on their own by the time they hit puberty.
Ginsberg is a pseudo-intellectual. This guy supports NAMBLA as well. He support child molestors, and that's just a fact. Personally, I think he should be put up against a wall along with every other degenerate.
Why? We need to cleanse our collective unconsciousness.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
where do you get this information about him supporting NAMBLA or child molestors???. Please show some sort of documented evidence that he "supports child molesters" or NAMBLA?. Just cause he was an open homosexual in a time where it wasn't socially accepted,doesn't make him a pedophile.
spooninspoon 2 years ago
Allen Ginsberg: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance." Ginsberg is a card-carrying member of NAMBLA. He's advocated NAMBLA in interviews and in a documentary on NAMBLA. Ginsberg wrote an essay called "Thoughts on NAMBLA." He is a pedophile, and he supports sexual abuse on children.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
Allen Ginsberg openly supports NAMBLA, this is a fact. Research it yourself and einsatzdeath just gave you the facts as well.
grewal02 2 years ago
he supports NAMBLA for its freedom of expression: the unity of sexuality between child and adult. However, i think this is open to much abuse, Allen Ginsberg is exercising his free mind, and he is indeed regardless of this: a fantasic poet.
cdylan 2 years ago
And when you've cleaned your unconsciousness, and the bucket is full of your own dirty thoughts, what do you suppose we'll find? I think that was sort of the point of this clip. Don't distinguish yourself as some unique entity. Ginsberg didn't. I personally don't want to live in your collectively cleansed state. I want Ginsbergs' in the world to disgust or adore. You remember him as a wannabe pedophile, and I'll remember him as a artist who painted with words the oppressive reality of his time.
lycosa2000 2 years ago
Seems you're just trying to white-wash. If you feel like it, you can remember John Wayne Gacy as a performer and artist who brought joy to people's hearts.
I don't distinguish myself as unique. I don't even believe in individualism. I will remember Ginsberg as a pedophile trumpeteer. In fact, I'd say that scumbags like him create the oppressive reality of our current spiritual Dark Age.
Ancient Germanic tribes would drown the spiritually unclean in a bog so their spirit couldn't escape.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
Thankyou!... I literally almost applaused
spooninspoon 2 years ago
NAMBLA aren't child molestors, they support what they see as consensual relations with young boys. At least that's what South Park has led me to believe :P
easternslavic 2 years ago
YES i love this
he just gets it..
ashleystewart34 2 years ago
Great Allen!
Viandanterosso 2 years ago
This is not to be judged as true or false.
It is just one way to perceive the world.
lworkalone 2 years ago
we call this a guy a crackpot because we fear him. he isn't glamourized by the goverment or the fricken media because he is ''out of his mind'' thats why society is so fucked. because to understand this is crazy, to take it in, to even try to understand concepts, to think out of the box is shameful. man. this guy is a beast who didn't think of what people wanted him to think or be.
askwushujeeves 2 years ago
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what the hell is he talking about ?
clickswitchh 2 years ago
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... This guy was high all the time...
Puppypunter 2 years ago
God i love him.
Uzonion 2 years ago 2
wow
nadiazion 2 years ago
Much like my "descriptive fact" was to you.
astroman30 3 years ago
PS.
Ignoramus was descriptive fact, not insult.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
It is very hard to have intelligent debate or conversation with somebody who refuses to cite resources and insults others with crude offensive language.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
1. I stated you sources and quotes only for you to say they were "raped" out of context - much like he raped little boys. Read fame and death about being in bed with little boys.
2. Still haven't received your apology in calling me an ignoramus.
3. You're probably lying about your health. You just don't want to work.
4. IF you are dying, don't waste your energy on youtube.
astroman30 3 years ago
**Sigh**
Mrgyn 3 years ago
6. The statements below were quotes that if anything were in support of your statements, yet still you foam from the mouth and insult me.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Continued...
It wouldn't be an artistic issue if Ginsberg's work wasn't so concentrated on the abuses of power and the corruption of America.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Many apologists have tried to fuzz the edges of this one, usually saying that Ginsberg's support was more a part of a general free speech issue, but here is a quote from NAMBLA's own website
"Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ...
I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity."
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Mrgyn....He was a NAMBLA member making those comments. Nothing was taking out of context. He was known to have sexual relationships with teenage boys. Most of all, I'm not your mommy, do your own homework and find the sources yourself. You fat fuck. I bet you don't have a job...do you?
astroman30 3 years ago
Astroman:
1. I never claimed you were my mother.
2. Ginsberg never had any sexual relations with teenage boys, please state your sources proving this.
3. You have once again made a personal and incorrect insult towards me. I am not fat, I am actually terminally ill and have trouble staying over 100 pounds. I do not work because I am at home sick in bed on disability.
4. I've noticed you making negative comments on other Ginsberg videos, which would suggest unemployment and lack of social life
Mrgyn 3 years ago
And please do not make personal insults towards me, we are trying to discuss not insult.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Mrgyn...Your the one who called me an ignoramus.....How soon do we forget? I'll accept you apology NOW.
astroman30 3 years ago
When he proved his point about free speech Ginsberg quit NAMBLA.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
stating "NAMBLA's a forum for reform of those laws on youthful sexuality which members deem oppressive, (it is) a discussion society not a sex club." Ginsberg expressed the opinion that the appreciation of youthful bodies and "the human form divine" has been a common theme throughout the history of culture, "from Rome's Vatican, to Florence's Uffizi galleries, to New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art", and that laws regarding the issue needed to be more openly discussed.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Ginsberg also spoke out in defense of the freedom of expression of NAMBLA.[19]. He defended his membership by stating
"Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance."
Ginsberg stated "I joined NAMBLA in defense of free speech..." In "Thoughts on NAMBLA", published in Deliberate Prose, Ginsberg elaborated on these thoughts,
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Mrgyn 3 years ago
wtf is this. whats he talking about.
1Hotshawtay 3 years ago
He was a NAMBLA member if you didn't know. No joke. Look it up.
astroman30 3 years ago
Astroman30:
And have you a clue why he was?
Foolish comment trying to raise negative emotions coming from an ignoramus.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Mrgyn....Well I guess when you sign-up to become a member of NAMBLA that pretty much explains that you are a member. Plus he had made MANY comments on how it's ok for grown men to love little boys. Mrgyn, why are you defending NAMBLA?
astroman30 3 years ago
Astroman30:
Alen Ginsberg did not himself believe in Pedophilia, he simply joined NAMBLA to show his support towards freedom of choice.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
So you are saying he never made those comments of supporting NAMBLA?
astroman30 3 years ago
astroman30:
Did you not read a thing I said? "Which comments" are you exactly speaking of?
I told you just now, not only did he verbally support NAMBLA he also was a member. He believed in freedom of choice and expression in anyway, but did not participate in pedophilia.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Mrgyn......"I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity"....That's a direct quote from Ginsberg. He also wrote poems about loving little boys. Why are you protecting NAMBLA? You need to go out and get a real job instead of plomping your fat ass on a computer every day.
astroman30 3 years ago
Astroman30:
You just took those comments and raped them out of context.
Can I see a source proving he said that? And if he did say that it is quite obvious what he is trying to prove. He is noting that ones love towards children does NOT have to be Sexual, and his poetry about little boys is mere observation (I have yet to see these poems, so I will count on you to bring me resources proving everything you just said.)
Mrgyn 3 years ago
a meditation for conscious electronic media watching. so desperately needed nowadays.
branchwater7 3 years ago
What a crackpot
DarkStar109 3 years ago
this is such an honest bit. Just a man in a moment of childlike wonder about technology, which is his reality.
Tali999 3 years ago
The most brilliant mind since Baudelaire.
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troughcaravan321 3 years ago
Listen...enough! No fizz bang Hollywood, gives ahh well it's to no way. Use this fabulous medium to 'read' from the heart; Shelley, Dickinson, Whitman, Keats, etc, the list is literally endless, but not immediate -the very point being made! Our eyes are truly opened from the inside out, not from the outside in! The sincerest poet/scribe asks for nothing!
mikris50 3 years ago
if one was unaware of who was speaking, you would think it was a drunk homeless guy rambling bullshit
davester1010 3 years ago
vastly overrated
davester1010 3 years ago
Allen wasn't able to articulate himself too well there. ( lol )
ManilaSyndicate 3 years ago
He just used a lot of words and didn't say very much. I don't hate Ginsberg, and sometimes I feel he had the right idea about some things, but he kind of lacked the word power to really say anything.
SomewhereInTheGray 3 years ago
maybe hes not trying to say much.
irtimed 3 years ago
yes, i think he actually said alot by saying very little ;)
sullensphere 3 years ago
<3 Allen
n0ethics 3 years ago
f*ckin' brilliant. he just blew my mind.
ifroimov 3 years ago 2
I like Ginsberg, but this was 1967 and I think we all know about television and "the person on the other side of the screen" fully well. Or maybe I'm missing the point.
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago
you are. it's about escaping the false entertainment-reality front that television lures us into, not about the actual physical mechanics.
kgreej 3 years ago