The sad reality is that moon hoaxers are usually in lower IQ catergory not educated enough and completly unable to grasp and understand the science and technology behind the Apollo moon landings, Their denials and pathetic attempts at proving falsehoods are just a cover for their below average mentality so as not to appear dumbass and in truth they are just really saying "please help me understand how they did it" simple as that .
I cant belive this video! Of course we landed on the moon. Theres an experiment where we fire lasers at the moon and they bounce of the objects that humans left on the moon!! That is the proof!
Conspiracy theories make tons of money. You can make a conspiracy out of anything. The bigger the better. The smart ones know there are many people out there to be taken advantage of. Either too gullible or just plain stupid. Then they get TV shows, radio shows, websites and must keep the conspiracy alive so the cash keeps coming in. I've been investigating UFOs for a decade. I see it much too often.
@obiwanobiwan13 Ummm you do realize the majority of the people who believe this hoax are people outside of the United States, so that "how stupid we Americans must look to the world" doesn't really work in this situation.
@theDUDE27x . just like all dumbasses who believe in this shit, they can never prove it nor will they ever. you say you believe we did, but yet it is possible we didnt. LOL great job at taking a stand there dude. Arguing with people this caliber of low IQ is like trying to reason with someone from the insane ayslum. Worthless. that is like saying, I have never been to France, so therefore I am sure it does not exist,, since I never went there. that kind of logic is lunacy. pathetic.
@usaeagle1776 Wow where do I start.That whole France metaphor makes no sense seeing how people live there right now, last time I checked no one was living on the moon...Obviously you were missing my point...I believe we landed on the moon, but that doesn't mean when new information comes out that might prove otherwise that I'll automatically dismiss it and call former astronauts lunatics. "Never prove it nor will they ever", so by your logic than anyone who believes in God are also dumbasses?
@theDUDE27x :really? how do you know that? have you been there to make sure it really is there? and that there are really people who are French? Anway, if you believe we went to the moon, and then you say evidence indicates we didnt (which of course no one ever produces) means what? Why would we ACTUALLY go there, and then fake it? I mean come on man. And putting GOD in the equation is nonsense. Like I said, debating people like you on this is like debating people who are insane.
@usaeagle1776 Ok i'm insane, you're the one driving this foolish french metaphor into the ground. Once again you're misunderstanding what i'm saying, I NEVER said that evidence indicates we didn't, I said that when new evidence comes forth that we shouldn't just dismiss it, that we should have open minds and look at it. Why is putting GOD in the equation nonsense, because it completely contradicts the point you where trying to make?
@theDUDE27x : putting GOD into this makes no sense. we talking about men on the moon not spirtuality. big difference. science not theology. Why that is hard to understand I will never know. We landed on the moon, freaking plain and simple. why that is hard to understand as well, is something I will never understand as well.
@usaeagle1776 haha yeah you would try to discredit them by calling them "lunatics", such an easy cop out. I know it's hard to wrap your head around the POSSIBILITY that one of Americas greatest moments might of been fake. Oh yeah and by the way I do believe we landed on the moon, but unlike you I don't rule out the possibility that we might not have, and believe everything that's shoved down my throat.
@yes90125 You posted a message about mere conspiracy THEORIES being proof of nothing, which for some reason isn’t showing now. But I will reply to it anyway.
(Among others) Mythbusters already covered all of this. The flag flapping, the dusty foot prints, the jumping of the astronauts, all of it. All of it is 100% accurate and in line with proper science and conditions on the moon. You can deny it if you want, but if you do, you're sitting in the same crazy-boat as people who still say the world is flat.
@BritishTruthSeeker Sorry, not buying it. I'm still not convinced, but even if I were--if there were any truth to this at all--Russia (and probably China too, nowadays) would be ALL OVER IT. This is just a fringe speculation that isn't taken seriously by any reputable scientists.
And your theory about Russians not exposing it doesn't make any sense. That's the whole point of international political subterfuge--exposing enemy lies/secrets while keeping yours hidden.
@maldianlegend You misread what I wrote. The theory about why Russia didn't expose it is Bill Kaysing's, not mine. I am open-minded about that.
My point is that theories are of little value until they become facts. So ignore the two theories I cited and address the two facts. The two theories prove nothing, but the two facts prove that those people never went to the moon. They would not lie about anything if they really went. That is basic logic.
What happens is this. Someone falsely flags your post as spam, with the result that it gets closed. So you repost it. But several hours later, YouTube's software detects a duplicate post, and so removes it. So you repost it again ... and again ... and again.
Eventually you tire of this and let it go. But the person who falsely flagged your post is still the biggest loser because it still stayed on the first page for longer than it would have done.
There is a simple solution, which is for YouTube to ban users who falsely flag comments as spam. A "three strikes and you're out" policy would suffice to avoid unfairly banning those who do it accidentally.
Such a policy would drastically reduce the number of NASA apologists on YouTube, because in my experience, they are the very worst offenders, which further proves how badly they want to censor the truth.
You say: "Its your fault for having a piss poor knowledge of rudimentary science, not ours for pointing it out."
Google those last six words: "not ours for pointing it out". Keep the quotes in the search. It produces two pages of results, and nearly every one of them is from you.
Your repetitiveness is quite astounding, I have found. That "McJob" line of yours is another that you use over and over again.
Someone falsely flagged one of my comments as spam. I wonder who that might have been.
But no worries - I just re-posted it. See below.
A tip. When someone falsely flags a comment you made, that tells you that the comment hit a particularly raw nerve. So just keep re-posting it every time it gets falsely flagged. That way it stays on the first page for longer than it would have done had it not been falsely flagged, thus hitting that raw nerve even more.
If someone falsely flags your comment as spam, and it gets closed (not deleted) as a result, you will only know about it if you view the page while logged out. If you are logged in, your comment will appear as normal, but you are the only person who can see it.
So to check if your comments have been falsely flagged as spam, you have to be logged out of your YouTube account.
Someone falsely flagged one of my comments as spam. I wonder who that might have been.
But no worries - I just re-posted it. See below.
A tip. When someone falsely flags a comment you made, that tells you that the comment hit a particularly raw nerve. So just keep re-posting it every time it gets falsely flagged. That way it stays on the first page for longer than it would have done had it not been falsely flagged, thus hitting that raw nerve even more.
@SpreadingtheMuse And you are the one who is STILL dodging the questions. I challenged you to counter the Percy & Groves evidence about fake photos and you ran away from doing that. Then later you claimed that was because someone else, somewhere else, had done that. What a cop-out!
Then you bizarrely claimed that Groves doesn't even exist!
After humiliating yourself like that, Walter, any credibility you may ever have had disappeared forever.
HaHa! 2:12 ..real footage no stars. Come on people take an intellectual and objective stand on this subject and you will be happy to find that your beliefs in the moon landing remain concrete. Why would they fake moon landings 6 times and on top of that never get caught out?. Why is there a film called Apollo 13 were the astronauts didnt make it to the moon? HaHa! NASA also faked not getting to the moon. The flag only waves when the astronauts are handling it.The list goes on and on and on.
@yes90125 You ask: "Why is there a film called Apollo 13 were the astronauts didnt make it to the moon?"
Are you being serious? Do you really believe that some Hollywood movie is evidence of anything? If I were to suggest that the movie "Capricorn One" somehow proved that the moon landings were faked, there would (rightly) be howls of laughter and derision from the moon landing believers.
You say: "And theres any point in doing that with someone of your IQ ?"
What a pathetic cop-out!
Are you and Mr "Walter Mitty" Finnigan really the best the moon landing believers have? Maybe that other guy who seemed more sensible will come back. If not, this series of exchanges is going to be copied in full and widely disseminated to demonstrate how low your side now is in this debate.
After failing to answer wake up calls a middle aged travelling salesman was found deceased in his hotel room, a police spokeperson said that there were no suspicious circumstances that the man had apparently suffered a heart attack, he was found wearing a bra, stockings, high heels and had a cucumber in his ass, on his bedside table was a book by britishtruthseekers theories on a moon hoax, the police removed the book to save the family of the man any embarrassment.
As I said previously, the photos from NASA's own Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, purporting to show the Apollo landing sites, are worthless simply because they are from NASA themselves. If the Mafia claimed to have evidence that they are not involved in organised crime, would we just accept it at face value?
So what about Japan’s orbiter? Google: "Japanese Orbiter Finds No Evidence Apollo Missions Landed On Moon" to see what the Russians (Pravda) are saying today.
@BritishTruthSeeker Well in that case useing your rule of thumb being that the Australians were in Vietnam with the Americans therefore would go along with faking moon landings, then it stands to reason the Japs and Russians would dispute the landings having being at war/cold war with the U.S at times.
@MrAssaabloy So you finally managed it, then! Well, no, not really. I already gave you two possible reasons why the Russians might not have exposed the hoax - i.e. because they, too, had been faking, or simply because this whole idea that they could track the Americans all the way to the moon is another myth.
And why would the Japanese, as late as 1969, have wanted to "dispute the landings"? And even if they had done, how could they have proven anything?
@BritishTruthSeeker Seriously now you seem an intelligent type of person having read what youve had to say i cant believe that you think it didnt happen, im not being condasending but is it you just cant understand the science and technology like so many others ?
It is more about catching NASA lying and faking. If they have to lie about anything and fake anything, that means the whole thing was faked. It’s like with 9/11 - if building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition, that automatically means that every part of the 9/11 attacks was an inside job. No need to prove every other detail.
And NASA have indeed been caught out lying and faking. The fake photos are the smoking gun.
Here is another example of what the NASA apologists like SpreadingtheMuse call "refuting" and "disproving":
The hoax proponents say that the astronauts didn’t go to the moon because the deadly radiation from the Van Allen belt would have killed them.
So the NASA apologists "counter" that by claiming that the Van Allen belt is not deadly at all. And their proof of that? Err ... because it didn’t kill the astronauts.
@BritishTruthSeeker You seem like a pretty smart guy, and you can believe anything you want, but here's how the discussion with a hoax proponent usually goes...
They scream, "Deadly Radiation!" And I might say, "We know where the VAB's are, Apollo skirted around the most intense areas, the flight crews wore dosimeters, we know how much exposure they got, you don't need 2 ft of lead, polyethylene stops alpha & beta particles-then they just yell, "Fake-Lies!"
VAB is magnetic. Therefore it only attracts magnetic radiation. Alpha (pos) and Beta (neg). Gamma and Xray are neutral, therefore cannot be caught by the VAB.
Problem? Alpha and Beta are particles, meaning they DONT need lead to be blocked. PLASTIC will block them. Thats rudimentary Rad safety that you're obviously ignorant of
More hoaxer stupidity. You cut and paste any talking point without ANY science validity
@BritishTruthSeeker The VAB claim is perfect example of hoaxer stupidity Like so: "IT WAS A HOAX!" Why? "VABs ARE BAD!" Are you a radiologist? "NO!" Then how do you know? "A NERD WEBPAGE TOLD ME!" Were they a radiologist? "NO!" Then how do you know they're right? "CAUSE IT WAS A HOAX!" Not one single Radiation Safety expert ANYWHERE has ever said the VABs would have killed the astronauts. Its a newb talking point cut and pasted in total ignorance of fact
Note how desperate the gullible Apollo believers are. They can’t deal with the arguments, so attack the individuals making them instead. This is what SpreadingtheMuse wrote:
"Bart sibrel is a lunatic with anger issues."
What has that to do with anything? How is that addressing the arguments? They do that all the time. So because Bart Sibrel lost his cool with some lady driver, that means that NASA went to the moon, does it?
That is how weak their position is. That is how desperate they are.
@BritishTruthSeeker Sibrels anger has EVERYTHING to do with it. Thats why he stalks the astronauts everywhere they go. Thats why he shot his career all to hell to pursue his quixotic quest. Emotion taints everything. If he's mad then we cant believe a word he says. Anger precludes intellect, precludes logic. This has nothing to do with whatever "facts" he moronically posts, and everything with "I'M GONNA GET EM!" immaturity.
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "Sibrels anger has EVERYTHING to do with it."
Of course it does. Of course it has everything to do with your inability to deal with his arguments and the evidence he has provided.
It gives you something to focus on. Without that you would have nothing to say, as you proved by ducking those two challenges I referred to in my previous comment.
@BritishTruthSeeker Sibrel HAS NO arguments. There are pages and pages that expose every retarded thing he says. You've already admitted that. ;)
You keep ducking my challenge to point out anything thats never been refuted, remember? Go ahead, name ANYTHING that I should respond to. Anything at all.
Its your own piss poor research that getting you laughed at. You picked the wrong board to come unprepared to ;)
@BritishTruthSeeker Since you obviously failed my first challenge, i'll make it easier. ;)
Name ANY point of Sibrel that you DARE ME to refute. I TAUGHT astronomy dumbfuck. There's nothing a hoax twat can say that dont have direct personal experience in. Name ANY point of Sibrel that you think I cannot answer. Right here and right now. Bring it the fuck on dipshit ;)
@BritishTruthSeeker Another round, another total backpedal and cowardly retreat by you from my challenge. Name ANY hoax "evidence" that there's no refute for. Every single hoax glutton I';ve every asked has failed that challenge and you're doing a fine job on more of the moronic same ;)
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "Name ANY hoax "evidence" that there's no refute for."
Almost all of them, because, as I said earlier, what you call refuting or disproving is, in reality, nothing more than disputing. It is easy to dispute something, but much harder to refute it.
Even your own fellow believer agrees with that. He wrote of your claim: "You're absolutely right. This sentence was stupid."
So you can't even convince your own side with your lies.
@BritishTruthSeeker So, believe what you like, but the hoax community has never produced a corroborating witness, EVER, and that's important. No death-bed confessions out of the thousands of guys who would have had to be in on it.
Most of this is conjecture from people with no scientific background, they don't know their shit, and when cornered, they resort to whining and name-calling
Make a rational, scientific case, and watch how people respond. So far, that hasn't happened
@hibob418 Firstly I don't believe they would have needed "thousands" of people to be in on it. Most of the NASA personnel were duped, too.
Secondly, the research into, specifically, the fake photos has been conducted by highly qualified experts.
Thirdly, even many of the hoax proponents with no scientific background have uncovered valid and important evidence which merits attention, regardless of how "qualified" they are. We should play the ball, not the man.
@hibob418 OK, try some of the evidence presented by Groves and Percy in that video I linked to earlier - the one that SpreadingtheMuse ran away from because he couldn't back up his empty claim to be able to "refute" any claim made by hoax proponents.
You certainly seem far more credible than him, so maybe you can also counter the claims about NASA's now proven lie about how the "C" found its way onto the "C-rock". I'll post more details about that later.
"Most of NASA" Is nothing but convenient prejudice. You KNOW that "thousands" could never keep the secret, so thats why "only a few" are in your "hoax." Its an asinine claim made with zero fact or support, just your flying guess hoping to hell no one ever calls your bluff.
Im calling yours ;)
Name ANY proof that the hoax was not "thousands." No guesses, no stalls. Prove it
@hibob418 You say: "Make a rational, scientific case, and watch how people respond. So far, that hasn't happened."
That's not true. The photography experts have certainly provided credible and compelling evidence of faked photos.
But proving that the moon landings were faked does not necessarily require "scientific" evidence. All it needs is proof of lying and/or faking by NASA. Because if they faked any of it, that means they faked all of it. We don't need proof of every single lie.
@BritishTruthSeeker "EXPERT"only one. Groves is the one and ONLY "expert" I've ever seen quoted. And he's on an undeniable biased forum, presents his views with zero corroboration, and has no presence outside of yuotube, or even proof he exists.
And his "pics" sorry to say, have been refuted by Dr. Plait amongst others, which you would ahve found had you bothered to do even 5 min of rudimentary googling before barging in with "LOOKIE! A HOAX VID PROVES IM RIGHT!"
@SpreadingtheMuse You ducked the only challenge you were given, and that was after boasting that you would refute any evidence presented to you. You now have zero credibility. I may read your latest comments later, and I may ever respond to them, but I will give priority to the more serious, more erudite and more honest moon landing believers here.
You are a lightweight posing as an expert, as is amply demonstrated in your pretentious and pitifully badly written posts.
@BritishTruthSeeker Groves was no challenge at all. He has no credibility and it was naive of you to bring him up. That your ONLY evidence was "well this youtube video agrees with me" is embarrassing. ;)
Your failure to quote an OBJECTIVE source is well taken ;)
Dont embarrass yourself any further. The Antartica ignorance was already bad enough.
But now:
You cant name any Sibrel evidence that you're confident of
@BritishTruthSeeker Since you have zero faith in Sibrels evidence to bring up even ONE point you think I couldnt refute, why are we supposed to have any faith in it ourselves? ;)
Groves BTW, was refuted by Dr. Phil Plait. Its your own fault for not doing even rudimentary research, not ours for pointing your naivete out for all to see ;)
@BritishTruthSeeker Can you just clear up a few minor points for me ? and i would appreciate a detail answer to each point please, 1 How is it moon landing sights and debris can be viewed easily by independent astronimers from around the globe using the worlds largest telescope in Mexico ? 2 Vision to world TV and Nasa of Apollo 11s landing was beamed via the huge radar Dish at Parkes Victoria, Australia due to the position of the earth and moon were the Aussies in on the fake too ? contd
@MrAssaabloy 3.The Russians tracked each Apollo mission were they too in on the hoax ? 4. If the missions were faked please explain in detail the reasoning behind the failed Apollo 13 mission and how it was possilbe for the Aussies to communicate and track their crippled spacecraft going around the moon ?
There are a number of theories about why the Russians didn't expose the hoax. For example, Bill Kaysing believed that it was because the Russians themselves had been faking their own space achievements, and didn't want the Americans to retaliate by exposing that.
@BritishTruthSeeker kaysings flying guesses for why Russian didnt expose the "hoax" are exactly that: guesses. He has no proof Russia even thought it was a hoax, let alone that there was any deal between us.
At the end of the day, the only fact on this matter is that Russia never accused us of faking the landings. Hoaxers cannot just fabricate a wild accusation out of their ass and demand it be taken seriously.
@SpreadingtheMuse Not only that, the USSR had a LOT to gain had it been a hoax. The Apollo program and the moon landings happened during the Cold War. Had Apollo been a hoax, they would have jumped on it and gained a huge amount of international prestige. Instead, they congratulated the USA. Oh, well, the hoaxers never let facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
@SpreadingtheMuse Don't you sometimes feel like you're playing "Whack-a-Mole" with people who could never muster more than a "D" grade in science or math? :-) "Where's the blast crater?" they say. Geeze, why not work the math? 3500 lbf thust out of an engine bell 52" (or so) in diameter is only 1.5 psi. That's enough to stir up dust, but not nearly enough to blast lunar regolith. It never ends, but sometimes it's fun to toy with their little minds. :-)
@skysurfer5cva Thats the perfect analogy. Everytime one wanker comes in here with cut and pasted talking points, gets "whacked," another one pops his head right up ;)
"I saw these talking points on a dark movie and I'm the FIRST ONE to ever post them!" LOL
"It is frequently claimed that the USSR was able to track the Apollo spacecraft with their radio telescopes. We ask, which radio telescopes? In actuality, Russia had no way of tracking their own Luna probes all the way to the moon and in that sense no way to prove that they really got there."
Me? I don't need to know how they pulled off every single part of the deception. Proof of any part of it is enough.
@MrAssaabloy Apollo 13? As with the question about the Russians, theories abound. I don’t pretend to know exactly why they would fake an oxygen tank explosion, but again, I don’t think it is particularly important. Theories are of little interest to me. Just one piece of hard, conclusive proof of faking is worth more than a million theories, because, as I said earlier, if they faked just one part of it, that means they faked it all.. And we don’t need to know exactly how.
@BritishTruthSeeker "not needing to know how" is a cop out. Its an admission your knowledge of sevearl facets is sloppy and incomplete, and you'd rather steer the conversation away from uncomfortable reminders that would make you look stupid.
Equal theories require equal evidence. NASA has no trouble accounting for their side of the story in every instance. You cannot be taken seriously if you are incapable of producing the same
@MrAssaabloy Your supplementary question about the Aussies was effectively answered in my earlier post in which I mentioned the Vietnam war and Australia’s fear of communism.
@MrAssaabloy Yes, I will answer all your questions, but due to YouTube's maximum character limit for comments, the "detailed answers" you ask for won't be possible.
@MrAssaabloy Regarding the moon landing sites and debris being viewed by telescopes, unless you have seen something I have not seen, that is not so. However, we are told that NASA's own Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has achieved that. But as NASA is hardly an unbiased and independent source, that is not exactly a reliable addition to our available knowledge.
Reflectors can be detected, but as the Russians also have them up there, they prove nothing.
@BritishTruthSeeker Japans LRO orbiter, independent of NASA, has taken and released pics of the equipment left behind.
The usual (and only) counter-attack to this point is '"Well japan was paid off!" The instant intellectual failure of inventing paranoid conspiracy #2 as your "proof" of paranoid conspiracy #1. Using one "hoax" as proof of another only proves how desperately stupid the evidence is for BOTH. Making up their story as they go
@MrAssaabloy Regarding your question about whether the Australians might have assisted in the hoax, they joined the Americans in Vietnam, didn't they? Remember that Australia's fear of communism was as great as that of any country, given their vulnerable location. Anything that might strike a blow for capitalism in the Cold War would have been seen as good for Australia.
@BritishTruthSeeker 5. The U.S goverment gave moon rock to many of the worlds countries as a gesture of good will, where did these rocks come from ? did the worlds scientific community after examination keep the secret too ? or heres a novel idea... maybe is was moon rock
Your question about where the moon rocks came from is the easiest of your questions to answer. They came from Antarctica. And you are probably right that is was real moon rock. But it wasn’t brought here by NASA’s astronauts, but rather simply fell as meteorites and landed in Antarctica. Look it up and you will see that these rocks have been found there by ordinary people who have nothing to do with NASA.
@BritishTruthSeeker If you could explain why Von Braun would be dumb enough to think meteors with obvious erosion damage and oxidation, both impossible on an 'airless' moon, would ever fool professional geologists, feel free to explain ;)
The "antartica" bit is the perfect example of hoaxer "yes-men" mentality. You read an ignorant talking point, then regurgitated it no questions asked. You never looked up its validity for yourself, assuming everything and learning nothing
@SpreadingtheMuse I knew there was something not quite right about you. That long list of claimed academic achievements, and claims of being a university lecturer on your channel page, just didn't fit the person I saw here. I have known a fair few university lecturers, and none of them have had such a poor grasp of basic English grammar as you have, and nor do they use such coarse language as you routinely use.
How, I wondered, could someone with such an apparently distinguished academic background, be so lacking in writing and communication skills? For example, you claim that in the "mid 00's [sic]" you were "working as a counselor for emotional [sic] disturbed kids". I thought: "How many real academics don’t even know how to spell their own job title correctly?"
The name "Walter Mitty" started springing to mind.
One contributor there wrote of you: "This idiot is a 40 year old loser who stays at home, puts makeup on to look like STAR WARS characters, and films himself dancing around with special effects."
Another wrote: 'If you search his poorly made "website" long enough in baffled anger as I unfortunately have, you'll see he posts proud pictures of himself with his shirt off (more proof of his conceit), and pictures that show how he was in THIS news paper or on THIS show - but ALL are for either being a Star Wars idiot or a "trekkie".’
So when I find the time, I intend to fully investigate and research all your claimed academic achievements, and then add my own contribution to that web page that exposes you for what you really are.
In the meantime, I have no intention of reading your incoherent, mouth-foaming rants. But if anyone else here wants to put any of your questions to me in a more civilised and properly written way, I will happily answer them.
@BritishTruthSeeker THE 5 QUESTIONAIRE TEST RESULTS FOR britishtruthseeker ARE IN FOLKS, AND THEY ARE.... ( drum roll )....Q1 FAIL, Q2 FAIL, Q3 FAIL, Q4 FAIL, Q5 FAIL.... BUT ITS NOT ALL BAD NEWS FOLKS, AS A DOOR PRIZE HE WINS FREE VIP MEMBERSHIP TO THESE SITES "THE TRUTH BEHIND THE GRASSY KNOLL" "AREA 51 REVEALED" AND "THE SECRET 9/11 FILES" GOOD NIGHT FOLKS AND TUNE IN AGAIN NEXT WEEK FOR ANOTHER THRILLING EPISODE OF.. "WHY CANT I PROVE TO ANYONE THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKED" ?
@BritishTruthSeeker My "REAL LIFE" is the profile you so very wisely fanatically poured over:
3 degrees, including Masters
Current employment in Nuclear Science
Past employment as a university educator.
I've worked in observatories, nuclear power plants, and nuclear labs. ALL your pitiful attempts at moronic "revenge" is just immature jealousy and you know it ;)
@SpreadingtheMuse Welcome back, Walter! As you were courteous enough to take time away from your busy Star Wars cosplaying schedule to reply, the least I can do is to give you a brief progress report.
So far, the only claim that appears to check out is that you did once, under your other name of Barry, assist as a "digital artist" in the making of a low budget movie called "My Big Fat Independent Movie". Although, true to form, you repeatedly misspell that title.
You seem to be taking this very personally, although from my point of view it isn’t entirely personal. I mostly see this as an opportunity to strike a blow, albeit only a small one, against this whole moon landing organised deception and cover-up campaign. Picture the headline: "Notorious NASA Groupie Exposed As "Walter Mitty" Fantasist!"
But of course, if all your claims have been true, you have nothing to worry about, do you?
Bizarrely, you claim: "You surrendered the Apollo debate. Game over."
On the contrary, Walter: as I have stated, I will happily answer any questions from people with good manners and who are capable of asking them in a reasonable and legible way. That obviously rules you out, as many people out there evidently agree.
If you think I am dodging your questions, then just get someone else to ask them for you, and I will answer them.
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "Its your fault for having a piss poor knowledge of rudimentary science, not ours for pointing it out."
Google those last six words: "not ours for pointing it out". Keep the quotes in the search. It produces two pages of results, and nearly every one of them is from you.
Your repetitiveness is quite astounding, I have found. That "McJob" line of yours is another that you use over and over again.
Another seven pages of results. And in every case of it that I have seen, you know absolutely nothing about the person - their employment or anything else - that you use that line against.
@BritishTruthSeeker You ARE dodging my questions, are using every pitiful excuse to dodge them.
Its an honest enough question that has no rancor behind it: "Why would any geologist be fooled into thinking an Antarctic meteor full of weathering and oxidation damage could ever have come from an airless moon via NASA capsule?"
If you should have put more thought into your claim before posting it, just say so and we can move on. Stalling is only an admission of guilt
@BritishTruthSeeker "personally" says the stalker who's admitting to googling my name to find out every dirty word I ever said. ;)
You tell me, at what point SHOULD I report you for harassment? I'll leave that up to you.
Bear in mind you could have saved yourself a lot of needless aggravation by actually having any facts to back up your infantile "HOAX" claims. You mean sibrels stupendous intellect let you down? NAH!!! You dont say ;)
@SpreadingtheMuse And you say: "You tell me, at what point SHOULD I report you for harassment? I'll leave that up to you."
Now that is encouraging! You obviously want me to discontinue this and are trying to scare me into doing just that. Now why would that be? What is it that you don't want me to find? I wonder!
You have just made me even more determined to find out.
@BritishTruthSeeker Every single word on my profile is 100% true and I dare you to prove so much as one word wrong.
So in other words, the only person who is in danger of severe humiliation...
..is you ;)
"cover-up campaign?" LOL You've been gullibly believing Sibrel again I see.
Inventing wanker conspiracy #2 as "proof" of wanker Conspiracy #1 only proves how frantically stupid BOTH ideas are, and how desperate you are to try it. Just making up your story as you go ;)
@BritishTruthSeeker You're GOOGLING ME? You really are that desperate arent you? ;)
And more stupidity from you:
- IMDB isnt written by the subjects. I had nothing whatsoever to do with any spelling on there. I would have been happy to tell you that had you ASKED before charging off on a dumb vendetta ;)
- So gee, my profile says I taught physics and math, and my account has numerous movies of me teaching physics and math? Too easy to figure out? ;)
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "IMDB isnt written by the subjects. I had nothing whatsoever to do with any spelling on there."
Who said anything about IMDB? That wasn't what I was referring to. I am aware of that, and I am happy to confirm that there are no errors on that page. I was referring to something else entirely. I'll leave you to figure out what that is.
So you're soooo desperate to save face that went trolling through my profile looking for ammo? And you ADMIT THIS IN PUBLIC? Jesus son, thats just sad ;)
Any and all claim of 'Grammar' are obvious frantic stalls as at no time have you posted even a single example. In the meantime, at no time
- have you quoted a Sibrel claim thats irrefutable
@BritishTruthSeeker "coarse language" You're right. We also dont burp, fart, swear, or go to the bathroom either. PLEASE dont tell us you're that naive.
Whereas we get to laugh at your juvenile ham-handed personal attacks, none of it excuses your inexcusable ignorance by bringing up "antarctic" meteors. Have you explained yet why ANY meteor with heat damage, weathering damage, oxidation damage could EVER be confused for a legitimate moonrock from an airless moon by any credible geologist?
Or were you hoping to sweep your embarrassing error under the rug? ;)
@MrAssaabloy The moonrocks are indeed the most damning evidence. The quickest way to identify a hoax incompetent is to find one that says "NASA never let anyone see the rocks!" Utter horseshit as you just said. The rocks were given away to 150 countries and are on permanent display in 12 foreign museums.
'BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN BOUGHT OFF" as we've heard. So if we've "bought off" 150 countries, why bother with a "hoax" at all? ;)
@BritishTruthSeeker A "refute" DOES count as disproof. Due to those magic words "reasonable doubt" and "Occums Razor."
So you have an event. Explanation 1 is that "ITS A EVIL HOAX!" Explanation 2 is "Ignorant people with zero science experience screwed up their analysis." Anything that has #2 is refuted, as its the most likely.
NO "evidence" you ever have counts as "proof" UNLESS theres no other explanation of any kind. Any alternative shoots it down and you know it
@BritishTruthSeeker After more than a few days of stalling, bluffing, and backpedaling, its obvious even you admit you have no case.
You can name no specific evidence
You run from every challenge.
My latest Sibrel challenge is your absolute LAST chance before you're written off as hoax wanker #23351. Name ANYTHING Sibrel said that I, personally, cannot refute. Anything at all. Failure at this one is your admission you admit sibrell is an idiot ;)
lol well wouldnt suprise me at all! they did want to be first to get there! and come on we know they play dirty! not say'n we did or didnt make it ,but its funny how many crashes they had just to get the thing up in the air! it would seem unlikely they could actually make it to the moon! interesting either way..be cool to have that true story!
Errr, when did Afghanistan EVER have oil? Where are the oil fields? Where are the refineries? Why isnt it lush with wealth if it had oil?
Sad part is, you have no fucking idea. You believe every retarded conspiracy you hear so you get them all mixed up. Watch Michael Moore. Even HE never said it was about oil. The primary cash in afghanistan comes from the drug trade, which ten secs of rudimentary googling would have told you. Dont be a newb hoax tool
So in other words, you believe every retarded conspiracy you hear ;)
You're too dumb to know history, so listen:
Japan DOESNT HAVE OIL. So they conquered other countries to get it. They invaded Korea and China in the 30's for fuck sake, WAY before Pearl Harbor. We stopped SELLING THEM oil to make them stop attacking other countries
But if you think Japan was right to invade China, Korea, Philippines to steal THEIR oil and rape their women, then some hero you are ;)
the first space landing ever, and they pull it off with no accidents whatsoever.
look at the history of planes and see how many mistakes were made before one went right. yet this space flight, landing and take off all went perfectly. just one of the many things about this i cant swallow
I can't believe people who still believe Apollo was faked in earth orbit. To me if you think of it, one obvious thing shows they are full of shit. I think it agreed that the Soviets had the ability to track rockets in space. They obviously tracked our Saturn 5's. If they saw they only stayed in earth orbit, don't you think they would have made a big deal about the faking???
It is almost unbelievable that people still believe this fairy tale, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that those people never went anywhere near the moon.
Even if I hadn't seen the evidence, the mere fact that so many freemasons were involved would make me strongly suspect that it was all faked. But having seen it, like Bart Sibrel said, I would quite happily stake my life that they never went.
Some people are so pitifully gullible, they will believe anything as long as it is "official".
@BritishTruthSeeker Who gets to decide "overwhelming?" Hoax twats with zero education except gullibly believing any dork hoax page they read? Already on record as being biased agaisnt NASA? WTF kind of adult debate is that?
Whine all you wish, all I see are a handful of mcjob wankers who've never worked a technical job in their life, who get ridiculed by actual physicists who actually work for a living ;)
The "hoax" is retarded and so is anyone who thinks it was one
@BritishTruthSeeker Bart sibrel is a lunatic with anger issues. He had zero technical experience and his videos are rank with rudimentary errors of basic science. There's no evidence you can name, of any kind, that hasnt already been refuted and laughed at long before you barged in here like a wanker.
Go ahead, name ANY evidence you can. Its all been proven to be the error of the hoax retards. Every last bit
@SpreadingtheMuse Bart Sibrel makes no claims to being any kind of scientist, and his most important contribution has been in exposing the obvious lies of the astronauts themselves. The way they react when he confronts them is exactly the way we see con-men who have been swindling the public react when confronted by "doorstep" reporters from consumer affairs TV shows.
If they really went to the moon, they wouldn't run away from him and threaten to have him "waxed".
Further to below, the biggest lie of them all is this "Its all been proven to be the error of the hoax retards. Every last bit."
It is very easy to make that sweeping claim, but anyone properly researching this will discover it to be false. What the self-styled "debunkers" often do is merely DISPUTE the evidence. That is very different from DISPROVING it. For example, most of the conclusive evidence of fake photos has never been disproved.
But fact is, everything people who thinks there are strange stuffs on this video just stay in this statement. But it is not so weird, with some knowledge in science you'll find an explanation. (For example you don't see stars in the sky, it is just a problem of exposure of the camera... )
But even without any science skills, think about everything that implies this hoax. It's huge and impossible!
@bogdapollo11 Many of those photos were definitely faked. Why? If they really went, why fake them?
I see people here asking: "How did they fool the Russians?" I don't know how, but I also don't know how the magician, David Copperfield, made the Statue of Liberty seem to disappear. So does that mean that he REALLY made it disappear?
I don't need to know exactly how they pulled off every single trick. The fact that just some of the tricks have been exposed is enough to satisfy me.
The sad reality is that moon hoaxers are usually in lower IQ catergory not educated enough and completly unable to grasp and understand the science and technology behind the Apollo moon landings, Their denials and pathetic attempts at proving falsehoods are just a cover for their below average mentality so as not to appear dumbass and in truth they are just really saying "please help me understand how they did it" simple as that .
MrAssaabloy 3 hours ago
Bull shit
MrSoccerr 11 hours ago
well a homeless man on the street today told me the moon doesn't exist....
EmeraldPlatoon92 15 hours ago
I cant belive this video! Of course we landed on the moon. Theres an experiment where we fire lasers at the moon and they bounce of the objects that humans left on the moon!! That is the proof!
vforveggie 1 day ago
Conspiracy theories make tons of money. You can make a conspiracy out of anything. The bigger the better. The smart ones know there are many people out there to be taken advantage of. Either too gullible or just plain stupid. Then they get TV shows, radio shows, websites and must keep the conspiracy alive so the cash keeps coming in. I've been investigating UFOs for a decade. I see it much too often.
JDQuantum 1 day ago
I weep for the folks who believe this hoax nonsense...
...and for how stupid we Americans must look to the world, harboring such nuts. :/
obiwanobiwan13 1 day ago
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@obiwanobiwan13 Ummm you do realize the majority of the people who believe this hoax are people outside of the United States, so that "how stupid we Americans must look to the world" doesn't really work in this situation.
SeahorseAnonymous 1 day ago
Stupid Americans! There is no Oil on the moon
Mesisopheles666 1 day ago
LMFAO!! people who believe this bullshit are fucking losers. damn, amazing the stupidity in people even here in the 21st century.
uzimodem 2 days ago
were never gonna know government is to in control
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MiaWilliston 3 days ago
jeez, what a load of horse shit. people who believe in this "hoax" crap really need to see a mental therapist right away!!! !LOL
usaeagle1776 3 days ago
@usaeagle1776 It's really not that far fetched like many other conspiracy theories...
theDUDE27x 2 days ago
@theDUDE27x not really far fetched? LOL wow. like i said, only dumbasses and the mentally retarded think this moon hoax is real. LOL
usaeagle1776 2 days ago
@usaeagle1776 So a "former astronaut" and NASA employees are dumbasses or mentally retarded? GOOD ONE!
theDUDE27x 2 days ago
@theDUDE27x a lunatic and fellow lunatics. god, who can people be so fucked up? amazing.
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theDUDE27x 1 day ago
@theDUDE27x . just like all dumbasses who believe in this shit, they can never prove it nor will they ever. you say you believe we did, but yet it is possible we didnt. LOL great job at taking a stand there dude. Arguing with people this caliber of low IQ is like trying to reason with someone from the insane ayslum. Worthless. that is like saying, I have never been to France, so therefore I am sure it does not exist,, since I never went there. that kind of logic is lunacy. pathetic.
usaeagle1776 1 day ago
@usaeagle1776 Wow where do I start.That whole France metaphor makes no sense seeing how people live there right now, last time I checked no one was living on the moon...Obviously you were missing my point...I believe we landed on the moon, but that doesn't mean when new information comes out that might prove otherwise that I'll automatically dismiss it and call former astronauts lunatics. "Never prove it nor will they ever", so by your logic than anyone who believes in God are also dumbasses?
theDUDE27x 1 day ago
@theDUDE27x :really? how do you know that? have you been there to make sure it really is there? and that there are really people who are French? Anway, if you believe we went to the moon, and then you say evidence indicates we didnt (which of course no one ever produces) means what? Why would we ACTUALLY go there, and then fake it? I mean come on man. And putting GOD in the equation is nonsense. Like I said, debating people like you on this is like debating people who are insane.
usaeagle1776 1 day ago
@usaeagle1776 Ok i'm insane, you're the one driving this foolish french metaphor into the ground. Once again you're misunderstanding what i'm saying, I NEVER said that evidence indicates we didn't, I said that when new evidence comes forth that we shouldn't just dismiss it, that we should have open minds and look at it. Why is putting GOD in the equation nonsense, because it completely contradicts the point you where trying to make?
theDUDE27x 1 day ago
@theDUDE27x : putting GOD into this makes no sense. we talking about men on the moon not spirtuality. big difference. science not theology. Why that is hard to understand I will never know. We landed on the moon, freaking plain and simple. why that is hard to understand as well, is something I will never understand as well.
usaeagle1776 1 day ago
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@usaeagle1776 haha yeah you would try to discredit them by calling them "lunatics", such an easy cop out. I know it's hard to wrap your head around the POSSIBILITY that one of Americas greatest moments might of been fake. Oh yeah and by the way I do believe we landed on the moon, but unlike you I don't rule out the possibility that we might not have, and believe everything that's shoved down my throat.
theDUDE27x 1 day ago
JEFF SENT ME HERE
GEORGEAWESOME123 3 days ago
So this is what Jeff is watching on youtube ? :) nice :D
lencuuk 3 days ago
Im here just because Jeff [simple plan] put this in one of his twitts :D xD
like if yOu too..!!
danniCrvantz 3 days ago 6
Jeff Stinco from Simple Plan brought me here.
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@sweetgemini525 WE ARE #SPASTRONUTS:DDDD
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ting95 2 days ago
@yes90125 You posted a message about mere conspiracy THEORIES being proof of nothing, which for some reason isn’t showing now. But I will reply to it anyway.
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BritishTruthSeeker 3 days ago
@yes90125
You are right about that and that is why we have to make a distinction between mere theories and hard facts. For example:
1. THEORY: "The Russians didn’t expose the hoax because they, too, had been faking."
2. FACT: "Many of the NASA photos are proven fakes."
3. THEORY: The "C" on the "C-rock" indicates that it was a movie set prop."
4. FACT: "The "C-rock" photo pre-dates the one that NASA "airbrushed" and then lied about."
BritishTruthSeeker 3 days ago
(Among others) Mythbusters already covered all of this. The flag flapping, the dusty foot prints, the jumping of the astronauts, all of it. All of it is 100% accurate and in line with proper science and conditions on the moon. You can deny it if you want, but if you do, you're sitting in the same crazy-boat as people who still say the world is flat.
maldianlegend 3 days ago
@maldianlegend
But listen to what it says at the end of that Mythbusters experiment with the flag.
It says: "So unless someone finds a shot of the flag flapping without an astronaut manipulating the flagpole, it’s mythbusted."
/watch?v=yhab86KoVjU
That shot has now been found. See this video:
/watch?v=viDRBCYp5-0&feature=related
Or search for: "flapping flag on moon".
BritishTruthSeeker 3 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Sorry, not buying it. I'm still not convinced, but even if I were--if there were any truth to this at all--Russia (and probably China too, nowadays) would be ALL OVER IT. This is just a fringe speculation that isn't taken seriously by any reputable scientists.
And your theory about Russians not exposing it doesn't make any sense. That's the whole point of international political subterfuge--exposing enemy lies/secrets while keeping yours hidden.
maldianlegend 3 days ago
@maldianlegend You misread what I wrote. The theory about why Russia didn't expose it is Bill Kaysing's, not mine. I am open-minded about that.
My point is that theories are of little value until they become facts. So ignore the two theories I cited and address the two facts. The two theories prove nothing, but the two facts prove that those people never went to the moon. They would not lie about anything if they really went. That is basic logic.
BritishTruthSeeker 3 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker.... Late at night.....when the Demons come... what is it you see ?
MrAssaabloy 3 hours ago
i dont understand, get a telescope and find the flag on the moon.
xTHExQx 3 days ago
More on false spam flagging.
What happens is this. Someone falsely flags your post as spam, with the result that it gets closed. So you repost it. But several hours later, YouTube's software detects a duplicate post, and so removes it. So you repost it again ... and again ... and again.
Eventually you tire of this and let it go. But the person who falsely flagged your post is still the biggest loser because it still stayed on the first page for longer than it would have done.
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BritishTruthSeeker 4 days ago
Continued.
But I will let the post in question go now.
There is a simple solution, which is for YouTube to ban users who falsely flag comments as spam. A "three strikes and you're out" policy would suffice to avoid unfairly banning those who do it accidentally.
Such a policy would drastically reduce the number of NASA apologists on YouTube, because in my experience, they are the very worst offenders, which further proves how badly they want to censor the truth.
BritishTruthSeeker 4 days ago
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@SpreadingtheMuse
You say: "Its your fault for having a piss poor knowledge of rudimentary science, not ours for pointing it out."
Google those last six words: "not ours for pointing it out". Keep the quotes in the search. It produces two pages of results, and nearly every one of them is from you.
Your repetitiveness is quite astounding, I have found. That "McJob" line of yours is another that you use over and over again.
It's no big deal but it is quite revealing.
BritishTruthSeeker 5 days ago
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Someone falsely flagged one of my comments as spam. I wonder who that might have been.
But no worries - I just re-posted it. See below.
A tip. When someone falsely flags a comment you made, that tells you that the comment hit a particularly raw nerve. So just keep re-posting it every time it gets falsely flagged. That way it stays on the first page for longer than it would have done had it not been falsely flagged, thus hitting that raw nerve even more.
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Fox is the greatest hoax of all time...
fobarski 5 days ago
ANOTHER TIP:
If someone falsely flags your comment as spam, and it gets closed (not deleted) as a result, you will only know about it if you view the page while logged out. If you are logged in, your comment will appear as normal, but you are the only person who can see it.
So to check if your comments have been falsely flagged as spam, you have to be logged out of your YouTube account.
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Someone falsely flagged one of my comments as spam. I wonder who that might have been.
But no worries - I just re-posted it. See below.
A tip. When someone falsely flags a comment you made, that tells you that the comment hit a particularly raw nerve. So just keep re-posting it every time it gets falsely flagged. That way it stays on the first page for longer than it would have done had it not been falsely flagged, thus hitting that raw nerve even more.
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@SpreadingtheMuse And you are the one who is STILL dodging the questions. I challenged you to counter the Percy & Groves evidence about fake photos and you ran away from doing that. Then later you claimed that was because someone else, somewhere else, had done that. What a cop-out!
Then you bizarrely claimed that Groves doesn't even exist!
After humiliating yourself like that, Walter, any credibility you may ever have had disappeared forever.
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BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
Heres an idea. Hook up all astronuats that have said to have been to the moon and hook thm up to a lie dector.
s84531241998 6 days ago
HaHa! 2:12 ..real footage no stars. Come on people take an intellectual and objective stand on this subject and you will be happy to find that your beliefs in the moon landing remain concrete. Why would they fake moon landings 6 times and on top of that never get caught out?. Why is there a film called Apollo 13 were the astronauts didnt make it to the moon? HaHa! NASA also faked not getting to the moon. The flag only waves when the astronauts are handling it.The list goes on and on and on.
yes90125 6 days ago
@yes90125 You say: "The flag only waves when the astronauts are handling it."
Not true! Watch this video:
/watch?v=viDRBCYp5-0&feature=related
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@yes90125 You ask: "Why is there a film called Apollo 13 were the astronauts didnt make it to the moon?"
Are you being serious? Do you really believe that some Hollywood movie is evidence of anything? If I were to suggest that the movie "Capricorn One" somehow proved that the moon landings were faked, there would (rightly) be howls of laughter and derision from the moon landing believers.
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@MrAssaabloy
You say: "And theres any point in doing that with someone of your IQ ?"
What a pathetic cop-out!
Are you and Mr "Walter Mitty" Finnigan really the best the moon landing believers have? Maybe that other guy who seemed more sensible will come back. If not, this series of exchanges is going to be copied in full and widely disseminated to demonstrate how low your side now is in this debate.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
20% of americans are retarded i know im aussie
MotocrossJ46Qld 1 week ago
are you doubting man kind's awsomenes achievment ever
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
Or is there something they dont want you to know? ( hope you got that reference )
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
After failing to answer wake up calls a middle aged travelling salesman was found deceased in his hotel room, a police spokeperson said that there were no suspicious circumstances that the man had apparently suffered a heart attack, he was found wearing a bra, stockings, high heels and had a cucumber in his ass, on his bedside table was a book by britishtruthseekers theories on a moon hoax, the police removed the book to save the family of the man any embarrassment.
MrAssaabloy 1 week ago
More on the orbiter photos.
As I said previously, the photos from NASA's own Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, purporting to show the Apollo landing sites, are worthless simply because they are from NASA themselves. If the Mafia claimed to have evidence that they are not involved in organised crime, would we just accept it at face value?
So what about Japan’s orbiter? Google: "Japanese Orbiter Finds No Evidence Apollo Missions Landed On Moon" to see what the Russians (Pravda) are saying today.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
Further to below, here is a short extract from that report from the science section of Russia's Pravda:
"The pictures, which the Japanese rover took, showed not even the slightest hint of the US presence on the Moon."
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Well in that case useing your rule of thumb being that the Australians were in Vietnam with the Americans therefore would go along with faking moon landings, then it stands to reason the Japs and Russians would dispute the landings having being at war/cold war with the U.S at times.
MrAssaabloy 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy So you finally managed it, then! Well, no, not really. I already gave you two possible reasons why the Russians might not have exposed the hoax - i.e. because they, too, had been faking, or simply because this whole idea that they could track the Americans all the way to the moon is another myth.
And why would the Japanese, as late as 1969, have wanted to "dispute the landings"? And even if they had done, how could they have proven anything?
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Seriously now you seem an intelligent type of person having read what youve had to say i cant believe that you think it didnt happen, im not being condasending but is it you just cant understand the science and technology like so many others ?
MrAssaabloy 6 days ago
@MrAssaabloy It is not just about science alone.
It is more about catching NASA lying and faking. If they have to lie about anything and fake anything, that means the whole thing was faked. It’s like with 9/11 - if building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition, that automatically means that every part of the 9/11 attacks was an inside job. No need to prove every other detail.
And NASA have indeed been caught out lying and faking. The fake photos are the smoking gun.
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
Here is another example of what the NASA apologists like SpreadingtheMuse call "refuting" and "disproving":
The hoax proponents say that the astronauts didn’t go to the moon because the deadly radiation from the Van Allen belt would have killed them.
So the NASA apologists "counter" that by claiming that the Van Allen belt is not deadly at all. And their proof of that? Err ... because it didn’t kill the astronauts.
How can anyone take those clowns seriously?
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker You seem like a pretty smart guy, and you can believe anything you want, but here's how the discussion with a hoax proponent usually goes...
They scream, "Deadly Radiation!" And I might say, "We know where the VAB's are, Apollo skirted around the most intense areas, the flight crews wore dosimeters, we know how much exposure they got, you don't need 2 ft of lead, polyethylene stops alpha & beta particles-then they just yell, "Fake-Lies!"
It's pointless.
hibob418 1 week ago 2
@BritishTruthSeeker ILL disprove the VAB claim right now
VAB is magnetic. Therefore it only attracts magnetic radiation. Alpha (pos) and Beta (neg). Gamma and Xray are neutral, therefore cannot be caught by the VAB.
Problem? Alpha and Beta are particles, meaning they DONT need lead to be blocked. PLASTIC will block them. Thats rudimentary Rad safety that you're obviously ignorant of
More hoaxer stupidity. You cut and paste any talking point without ANY science validity
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Note how desperate the gullible Apollo believers are. They can’t deal with the arguments, so attack the individuals making them instead. This is what SpreadingtheMuse wrote:
"Bart sibrel is a lunatic with anger issues."
What has that to do with anything? How is that addressing the arguments? They do that all the time. So because Bart Sibrel lost his cool with some lady driver, that means that NASA went to the moon, does it?
That is how weak their position is. That is how desperate they are.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Sibrels anger has EVERYTHING to do with it. Thats why he stalks the astronauts everywhere they go. Thats why he shot his career all to hell to pursue his quixotic quest. Emotion taints everything. If he's mad then we cant believe a word he says. Anger precludes intellect, precludes logic. This has nothing to do with whatever "facts" he moronically posts, and everything with "I'M GONNA GET EM!" immaturity.
Arent you glad you asked? ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "Sibrels anger has EVERYTHING to do with it."
Of course it does. Of course it has everything to do with your inability to deal with his arguments and the evidence he has provided.
It gives you something to focus on. Without that you would have nothing to say, as you proved by ducking those two challenges I referred to in my previous comment.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Sibrel HAS NO arguments. There are pages and pages that expose every retarded thing he says. You've already admitted that. ;)
You keep ducking my challenge to point out anything thats never been refuted, remember? Go ahead, name ANYTHING that I should respond to. Anything at all.
Its your own piss poor research that getting you laughed at. You picked the wrong board to come unprepared to ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Since you obviously failed my first challenge, i'll make it easier. ;)
Name ANY point of Sibrel that you DARE ME to refute. I TAUGHT astronomy dumbfuck. There's nothing a hoax twat can say that dont have direct personal experience in. Name ANY point of Sibrel that you think I cannot answer. Right here and right now. Bring it the fuck on dipshit ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Another round, another total backpedal and cowardly retreat by you from my challenge. Name ANY hoax "evidence" that there's no refute for. Every single hoax glutton I';ve every asked has failed that challenge and you're doing a fine job on more of the moronic same ;)
You have nothing, you can defend nothing
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "Name ANY hoax "evidence" that there's no refute for."
Almost all of them, because, as I said earlier, what you call refuting or disproving is, in reality, nothing more than disputing. It is easy to dispute something, but much harder to refute it.
Even your own fellow believer agrees with that. He wrote of your claim: "You're absolutely right. This sentence was stupid."
So you can't even convince your own side with your lies.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker So, believe what you like, but the hoax community has never produced a corroborating witness, EVER, and that's important. No death-bed confessions out of the thousands of guys who would have had to be in on it.
Most of this is conjecture from people with no scientific background, they don't know their shit, and when cornered, they resort to whining and name-calling
Make a rational, scientific case, and watch how people respond. So far, that hasn't happened
hibob418 1 week ago
@hibob418 Firstly I don't believe they would have needed "thousands" of people to be in on it. Most of the NASA personnel were duped, too.
Secondly, the research into, specifically, the fake photos has been conducted by highly qualified experts.
Thirdly, even many of the hoax proponents with no scientific background have uncovered valid and important evidence which merits attention, regardless of how "qualified" they are. We should play the ball, not the man.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Well, you set 'em up, and I'll try and knock 'em down.
hibob418 1 week ago
@hibob418 OK, try some of the evidence presented by Groves and Percy in that video I linked to earlier - the one that SpreadingtheMuse ran away from because he couldn't back up his empty claim to be able to "refute" any claim made by hoax proponents.
You certainly seem far more credible than him, so maybe you can also counter the claims about NASA's now proven lie about how the "C" found its way onto the "C-rock". I'll post more details about that later.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker
"Most of NASA" Is nothing but convenient prejudice. You KNOW that "thousands" could never keep the secret, so thats why "only a few" are in your "hoax." Its an asinine claim made with zero fact or support, just your flying guess hoping to hell no one ever calls your bluff.
Im calling yours ;)
Name ANY proof that the hoax was not "thousands." No guesses, no stalls. Prove it
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@hibob418 You say: "Make a rational, scientific case, and watch how people respond. So far, that hasn't happened."
That's not true. The photography experts have certainly provided credible and compelling evidence of faked photos.
But proving that the moon landings were faked does not necessarily require "scientific" evidence. All it needs is proof of lying and/or faking by NASA. Because if they faked any of it, that means they faked all of it. We don't need proof of every single lie.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "EXPERT"only one. Groves is the one and ONLY "expert" I've ever seen quoted. And he's on an undeniable biased forum, presents his views with zero corroboration, and has no presence outside of yuotube, or even proof he exists.
And his "pics" sorry to say, have been refuted by Dr. Plait amongst others, which you would ahve found had you bothered to do even 5 min of rudimentary googling before barging in with "LOOKIE! A HOAX VID PROVES IM RIGHT!"
Dork ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse You ducked the only challenge you were given, and that was after boasting that you would refute any evidence presented to you. You now have zero credibility. I may read your latest comments later, and I may ever respond to them, but I will give priority to the more serious, more erudite and more honest moon landing believers here.
You are a lightweight posing as an expert, as is amply demonstrated in your pretentious and pitifully badly written posts.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Groves was no challenge at all. He has no credibility and it was naive of you to bring him up. That your ONLY evidence was "well this youtube video agrees with me" is embarrassing. ;)
Your failure to quote an OBJECTIVE source is well taken ;)
Dont embarrass yourself any further. The Antartica ignorance was already bad enough.
But now:
You cant name any Sibrel evidence that you're confident of
You cant produce a non-hoaxer evidence source
Newb ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Since you have zero faith in Sibrels evidence to bring up even ONE point you think I couldnt refute, why are we supposed to have any faith in it ourselves? ;)
Groves BTW, was refuted by Dr. Phil Plait. Its your own fault for not doing even rudimentary research, not ours for pointing your naivete out for all to see ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Can you just clear up a few minor points for me ? and i would appreciate a detail answer to each point please, 1 How is it moon landing sights and debris can be viewed easily by independent astronimers from around the globe using the worlds largest telescope in Mexico ? 2 Vision to world TV and Nasa of Apollo 11s landing was beamed via the huge radar Dish at Parkes Victoria, Australia due to the position of the earth and moon were the Aussies in on the fake too ? contd
MrAssaabloy 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy 3.The Russians tracked each Apollo mission were they too in on the hoax ? 4. If the missions were faked please explain in detail the reasoning behind the failed Apollo 13 mission and how it was possilbe for the Aussies to communicate and track their crippled spacecraft going around the moon ?
MrAssaabloy 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Your question about the Russians.
There are a number of theories about why the Russians didn't expose the hoax. For example, Bill Kaysing believed that it was because the Russians themselves had been faking their own space achievements, and didn't want the Americans to retaliate by exposing that.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker kaysings flying guesses for why Russian didnt expose the "hoax" are exactly that: guesses. He has no proof Russia even thought it was a hoax, let alone that there was any deal between us.
At the end of the day, the only fact on this matter is that Russia never accused us of faking the landings. Hoaxers cannot just fabricate a wild accusation out of their ass and demand it be taken seriously.
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Not only that, the USSR had a LOT to gain had it been a hoax. The Apollo program and the moon landings happened during the Cold War. Had Apollo been a hoax, they would have jumped on it and gained a huge amount of international prestige. Instead, they congratulated the USA. Oh, well, the hoaxers never let facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
skysurfer5cva 1 week ago
@skysurfer5cva Yes, USSR calling the hoax out always puts the hoax wankers in a tizzy.
"We had to fake it to beat the Russians!" They say. So why didnt the Russians expose it?
"CAUSE we bought them off!" So why'd we even have to beat them at all???
They cant even keep their own story straight
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Don't you sometimes feel like you're playing "Whack-a-Mole" with people who could never muster more than a "D" grade in science or math? :-) "Where's the blast crater?" they say. Geeze, why not work the math? 3500 lbf thust out of an engine bell 52" (or so) in diameter is only 1.5 psi. That's enough to stir up dust, but not nearly enough to blast lunar regolith. It never ends, but sometimes it's fun to toy with their little minds. :-)
skysurfer5cva 6 days ago
@skysurfer5cva Thats the perfect analogy. Everytime one wanker comes in here with cut and pasted talking points, gets "whacked," another one pops his head right up ;)
"I saw these talking points on a dark movie and I'm the FIRST ONE to ever post them!" LOL
Yes, the naivete is fun to puncture ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@MrAssaabloy The Russians cont ...
This is how the moonmovie site sees it:
"It is frequently claimed that the USSR was able to track the Apollo spacecraft with their radio telescopes. We ask, which radio telescopes? In actuality, Russia had no way of tracking their own Luna probes all the way to the moon and in that sense no way to prove that they really got there."
Me? I don't need to know how they pulled off every single part of the deception. Proof of any part of it is enough.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Apollo 13? As with the question about the Russians, theories abound. I don’t pretend to know exactly why they would fake an oxygen tank explosion, but again, I don’t think it is particularly important. Theories are of little interest to me. Just one piece of hard, conclusive proof of faking is worth more than a million theories, because, as I said earlier, if they faked just one part of it, that means they faked it all.. And we don’t need to know exactly how.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "not needing to know how" is a cop out. Its an admission your knowledge of sevearl facets is sloppy and incomplete, and you'd rather steer the conversation away from uncomfortable reminders that would make you look stupid.
Equal theories require equal evidence. NASA has no trouble accounting for their side of the story in every instance. You cannot be taken seriously if you are incapable of producing the same
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Your supplementary question about the Aussies was effectively answered in my earlier post in which I mentioned the Vietnam war and Australia’s fear of communism.
Cont..
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Yes, I will answer all your questions, but due to YouTube's maximum character limit for comments, the "detailed answers" you ask for won't be possible.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Regarding the moon landing sites and debris being viewed by telescopes, unless you have seen something I have not seen, that is not so. However, we are told that NASA's own Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has achieved that. But as NASA is hardly an unbiased and independent source, that is not exactly a reliable addition to our available knowledge.
Reflectors can be detected, but as the Russians also have them up there, they prove nothing.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Japans LRO orbiter, independent of NASA, has taken and released pics of the equipment left behind.
The usual (and only) counter-attack to this point is '"Well japan was paid off!" The instant intellectual failure of inventing paranoid conspiracy #2 as your "proof" of paranoid conspiracy #1. Using one "hoax" as proof of another only proves how desperately stupid the evidence is for BOTH. Making up their story as they go
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Regarding your question about whether the Australians might have assisted in the hoax, they joined the Americans in Vietnam, didn't they? Remember that Australia's fear of communism was as great as that of any country, given their vulnerable location. Anything that might strike a blow for capitalism in the Cold War would have been seen as good for Australia.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker 5. The U.S goverment gave moon rock to many of the worlds countries as a gesture of good will, where did these rocks come from ? did the worlds scientific community after examination keep the secret too ? or heres a novel idea... maybe is was moon rock
MrAssaabloy 1 week ago
Your question about where the moon rocks came from is the easiest of your questions to answer. They came from Antarctica. And you are probably right that is was real moon rock. But it wasn’t brought here by NASA’s astronauts, but rather simply fell as meteorites and landed in Antarctica. Look it up and you will see that these rocks have been found there by ordinary people who have nothing to do with NASA.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "Antarctica" GOTCHA. This is an oft repeated talking point, and unfortunately, TOTALLY ignorant of even rudimentary geology
Any meteor would have
- Heat and melting from the atmospheric burn
- Wind and weather erosion from exposure the elements
- Oxidation from being smothered in an oxygen atmosphere.
These give-aways are completely visually obvious, and wouldnt fool any geologist over the age of 4
And only an idiot would forget them, as you just did ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Can you explain why there's no presence of a "Dr. Groves" outside of an pathetically slanted youtube hoax movie?
Again, its your own fault for piss poor research, not ours for pointing it out ;)
I TAUGHT astronomy dumbass. There's no hoax wanker you can cut and paste who can pretend anything as exciting as my REAL LIFE ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy Moon rocks continued:
And, surprise, surprise, we learn that NASA’s Werner von Braun made a mysterious trip to Antarctica just a few months before the first moon mission.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker If you could explain why Von Braun would be dumb enough to think meteors with obvious erosion damage and oxidation, both impossible on an 'airless' moon, would ever fool professional geologists, feel free to explain ;)
The "antartica" bit is the perfect example of hoaxer "yes-men" mentality. You read an ignorant talking point, then regurgitated it no questions asked. You never looked up its validity for yourself, assuming everything and learning nothing
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker And your total surrender on the Sibrel point is noted ;)
You mean a cab driver let you down? NAH! You dont say ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse I knew there was something not quite right about you. That long list of claimed academic achievements, and claims of being a university lecturer on your channel page, just didn't fit the person I saw here. I have known a fair few university lecturers, and none of them have had such a poor grasp of basic English grammar as you have, and nor do they use such coarse language as you routinely use.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
How, I wondered, could someone with such an apparently distinguished academic background, be so lacking in writing and communication skills? For example, you claim that in the "mid 00's [sic]" you were "working as a counselor for emotional [sic] disturbed kids". I thought: "How many real academics don’t even know how to spell their own job title correctly?"
The name "Walter Mitty" started springing to mind.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
So I did a quick search and found a page called "The Childish Shenanigans of Spreading The Muse" (Google it). And this video:
/watch?v=jwWDEOFWVgc
And my suspicions were confirmed.
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
One contributor there wrote of you: "This idiot is a 40 year old loser who stays at home, puts makeup on to look like STAR WARS characters, and films himself dancing around with special effects."
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
Another wrote: 'If you search his poorly made "website" long enough in baffled anger as I unfortunately have, you'll see he posts proud pictures of himself with his shirt off (more proof of his conceit), and pictures that show how he was in THIS news paper or on THIS show - but ALL are for either being a Star Wars idiot or a "trekkie".’
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BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
So when I find the time, I intend to fully investigate and research all your claimed academic achievements, and then add my own contribution to that web page that exposes you for what you really are.
In the meantime, I have no intention of reading your incoherent, mouth-foaming rants. But if anyone else here wants to put any of your questions to me in a more civilised and properly written way, I will happily answer them.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
And once again, that Google search term is:
"The Childish Shenanigans of Spreading The Muse"
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued from previous.
And I think this hilarious line from you just a few hours ago sums up what people contributing to that article about you are saying:
"I TAUGHT astronomy dumbass. There's no hoax wanker you can cut and paste who can pretend anything as exciting as my REAL LIFE ;)"
Would that be your Star Wars "REAL LIFE"?
ROFL!
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker THE 5 QUESTIONAIRE TEST RESULTS FOR britishtruthseeker ARE IN FOLKS, AND THEY ARE.... ( drum roll )....Q1 FAIL, Q2 FAIL, Q3 FAIL, Q4 FAIL, Q5 FAIL.... BUT ITS NOT ALL BAD NEWS FOLKS, AS A DOOR PRIZE HE WINS FREE VIP MEMBERSHIP TO THESE SITES "THE TRUTH BEHIND THE GRASSY KNOLL" "AREA 51 REVEALED" AND "THE SECRET 9/11 FILES" GOOD NIGHT FOLKS AND TUNE IN AGAIN NEXT WEEK FOR ANOTHER THRILLING EPISODE OF.. "WHY CANT I PROVE TO ANYONE THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKED" ?
MrAssaabloy 1 week ago
@MrAssaabloy The idea is to put together a proper critique showing why and how you disagree with each answer. But I guess you couldn't manage that.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker My "REAL LIFE" is the profile you so very wisely fanatically poured over:
3 degrees, including Masters
Current employment in Nuclear Science
Past employment as a university educator.
I've worked in observatories, nuclear power plants, and nuclear labs. ALL your pitiful attempts at moronic "revenge" is just immature jealousy and you know it ;)
You surrendered the Apollo debate. Game over.
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Welcome back, Walter! As you were courteous enough to take time away from your busy Star Wars cosplaying schedule to reply, the least I can do is to give you a brief progress report.
So far, the only claim that appears to check out is that you did once, under your other name of Barry, assist as a "digital artist" in the making of a low budget movie called "My Big Fat Independent Movie". Although, true to form, you repeatedly misspell that title.
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BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued.
You seem to be taking this very personally, although from my point of view it isn’t entirely personal. I mostly see this as an opportunity to strike a blow, albeit only a small one, against this whole moon landing organised deception and cover-up campaign. Picture the headline: "Notorious NASA Groupie Exposed As "Walter Mitty" Fantasist!"
But of course, if all your claims have been true, you have nothing to worry about, do you?
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BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Continued.
Bizarrely, you claim: "You surrendered the Apollo debate. Game over."
On the contrary, Walter: as I have stated, I will happily answer any questions from people with good manners and who are capable of asking them in a reasonable and legible way. That obviously rules you out, as many people out there evidently agree.
If you think I am dodging your questions, then just get someone else to ask them for you, and I will answer them.
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "good manners" translates as "Anyone who doesnt expose my gullible dependence on Sibrel for any and all of my fact."
You said something stupid and got called on it. Its your fault for having a piss poor knowledge of rudimentary science, not ours for pointing it out.
Every single pathetic google is just more admission of your surrender ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
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@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "Its your fault for having a piss poor knowledge of rudimentary science, not ours for pointing it out."
Google those last six words: "not ours for pointing it out". Keep the quotes in the search. It produces two pages of results, and nearly every one of them is from you.
Your repetitiveness is quite astounding, I have found. That "McJob" line of yours is another that you use over and over again.
It's no big deal but it is quite revealing.
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse
Further to below, try this Google search:
"SpreadingTheMuse" "McJob"
Another seven pages of results. And in every case of it that I have seen, you know absolutely nothing about the person - their employment or anything else - that you use that line against.
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker You ARE dodging my questions, are using every pitiful excuse to dodge them.
Its an honest enough question that has no rancor behind it: "Why would any geologist be fooled into thinking an Antarctic meteor full of weathering and oxidation damage could ever have come from an airless moon via NASA capsule?"
If you should have put more thought into your claim before posting it, just say so and we can move on. Stalling is only an admission of guilt
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "personally" says the stalker who's admitting to googling my name to find out every dirty word I ever said. ;)
You tell me, at what point SHOULD I report you for harassment? I'll leave that up to you.
Bear in mind you could have saved yourself a lot of needless aggravation by actually having any facts to back up your infantile "HOAX" claims. You mean sibrels stupendous intellect let you down? NAH!!! You dont say ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse And you say: "You tell me, at what point SHOULD I report you for harassment? I'll leave that up to you."
Now that is encouraging! You obviously want me to discontinue this and are trying to scare me into doing just that. Now why would that be? What is it that you don't want me to find? I wonder!
You have just made me even more determined to find out.
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Every single word on my profile is 100% true and I dare you to prove so much as one word wrong.
So in other words, the only person who is in danger of severe humiliation...
..is you ;)
"cover-up campaign?" LOL You've been gullibly believing Sibrel again I see.
Inventing wanker conspiracy #2 as "proof" of wanker Conspiracy #1 only proves how frantically stupid BOTH ideas are, and how desperate you are to try it. Just making up your story as you go ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker You're GOOGLING ME? You really are that desperate arent you? ;)
And more stupidity from you:
- IMDB isnt written by the subjects. I had nothing whatsoever to do with any spelling on there. I would have been happy to tell you that had you ASKED before charging off on a dumb vendetta ;)
- So gee, my profile says I taught physics and math, and my account has numerous movies of me teaching physics and math? Too easy to figure out? ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@SpreadingtheMuse You say: "IMDB isnt written by the subjects. I had nothing whatsoever to do with any spelling on there."
Who said anything about IMDB? That wasn't what I was referring to. I am aware of that, and I am happy to confirm that there are no errors on that page. I was referring to something else entirely. I'll leave you to figure out what that is.
BritishTruthSeeker 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker
That idiot made the same mistake you are:
1) Scouring google for my name in a furious vendetta is every admission that you're emotionally juvenile, and
2) that you've totally surrendered every logical point on the moonlanding. You know nothing, can debate nothing
Thanks for admitting it ;)
You really picked the wrong board to come so pathetically unprepared to
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "childish" was done by another hoax wanker, every bit as emotionally disturbed as you. It went like this:
Them: "Hoax is real cause of X"
Me: "X is scientifically incompetent due to the physics laws of Y and Z"
Them: "WELL YOU SUCK AND I"M GONNA WRITE A WEBPAGE AND GET YA!"
Now we have you:
"IM GONNA READ A WEBPAGE AND YOU'LL BE SORRY!" LOL Someone got his widdle feelings hurt ;)
Next time, research meteor erosion before talking like an idiot ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Is "didnt fit" a technical term? LOL
So you're soooo desperate to save face that went trolling through my profile looking for ammo? And you ADMIT THIS IN PUBLIC? Jesus son, thats just sad ;)
Any and all claim of 'Grammar' are obvious frantic stalls as at no time have you posted even a single example. In the meantime, at no time
- have you quoted a Sibrel claim thats irrefutable
- quoted a scientist from an objective source
Stall all you want ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker "coarse language" You're right. We also dont burp, fart, swear, or go to the bathroom either. PLEASE dont tell us you're that naive.
Are you? ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@BritishTruthSeeker
Whereas we get to laugh at your juvenile ham-handed personal attacks, none of it excuses your inexcusable ignorance by bringing up "antarctic" meteors. Have you explained yet why ANY meteor with heat damage, weathering damage, oxidation damage could EVER be confused for a legitimate moonrock from an airless moon by any credible geologist?
Or were you hoping to sweep your embarrassing error under the rug? ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 6 days ago
@MrAssaabloy The moonrocks are indeed the most damning evidence. The quickest way to identify a hoax incompetent is to find one that says "NASA never let anyone see the rocks!" Utter horseshit as you just said. The rocks were given away to 150 countries and are on permanent display in 12 foreign museums.
'BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN BOUGHT OFF" as we've heard. So if we've "bought off" 150 countries, why bother with a "hoax" at all? ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker A "refute" DOES count as disproof. Due to those magic words "reasonable doubt" and "Occums Razor."
So you have an event. Explanation 1 is that "ITS A EVIL HOAX!" Explanation 2 is "Ignorant people with zero science experience screwed up their analysis." Anything that has #2 is refuted, as its the most likely.
NO "evidence" you ever have counts as "proof" UNLESS theres no other explanation of any kind. Any alternative shoots it down and you know it
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker After more than a few days of stalling, bluffing, and backpedaling, its obvious even you admit you have no case.
You can name no specific evidence
You run from every challenge.
My latest Sibrel challenge is your absolute LAST chance before you're written off as hoax wanker #23351. Name ANYTHING Sibrel said that I, personally, cannot refute. Anything at all. Failure at this one is your admission you admit sibrell is an idiot ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
lol well wouldnt suprise me at all! they did want to be first to get there! and come on we know they play dirty! not say'n we did or didnt make it ,but its funny how many crashes they had just to get the thing up in the air! it would seem unlikely they could actually make it to the moon! interesting either way..be cool to have that true story!
juniorkitty11 1 week ago
Haha why am I not surprised this was on Fox.
TenYetis 1 week ago
America is definitely the best country in the world.
I mean how many things the government of USA faked beside MoonLanding?
1 Stole Native Americans land and claimed their own
2 Block Japan's oil road track & steal their oils. Get attacked by Japan & then Nuke Japan & then claim the victory saying Japan attacked first
3 Invade Afghanistan, make excuse of terminating Taliban while stealing their oils
4 Fake the death report of already deadman Bin Laden so Obama can get another 5 years run
C0mmentar 1 week ago
@C0mmentar
Errr, when did Afghanistan EVER have oil? Where are the oil fields? Where are the refineries? Why isnt it lush with wealth if it had oil?
Sad part is, you have no fucking idea. You believe every retarded conspiracy you hear so you get them all mixed up. Watch Michael Moore. Even HE never said it was about oil. The primary cash in afghanistan comes from the drug trade, which ten secs of rudimentary googling would have told you. Dont be a newb hoax tool
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@C0mmentar
So in other words, you believe every retarded conspiracy you hear ;)
You're too dumb to know history, so listen:
Japan DOESNT HAVE OIL. So they conquered other countries to get it. They invaded Korea and China in the 30's for fuck sake, WAY before Pearl Harbor. We stopped SELLING THEM oil to make them stop attacking other countries
But if you think Japan was right to invade China, Korea, Philippines to steal THEIR oil and rape their women, then some hero you are ;)
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
the first space landing ever, and they pull it off with no accidents whatsoever.
look at the history of planes and see how many mistakes were made before one went right. yet this space flight, landing and take off all went perfectly. just one of the many things about this i cant swallow
mikesomething 1 week ago
i think we may not have landed on the moon then like its possible we didn't, but i think by now we would have been to the moon
RossCraigGibson17 1 week ago
I can't believe people who still believe Apollo was faked in earth orbit. To me if you think of it, one obvious thing shows they are full of shit. I think it agreed that the Soviets had the ability to track rockets in space. They obviously tracked our Saturn 5's. If they saw they only stayed in earth orbit, don't you think they would have made a big deal about the faking???
jameshagerstrom 1 week ago
It is almost unbelievable that people still believe this fairy tale, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that those people never went anywhere near the moon.
Even if I hadn't seen the evidence, the mere fact that so many freemasons were involved would make me strongly suspect that it was all faked. But having seen it, like Bart Sibrel said, I would quite happily stake my life that they never went.
Some people are so pitifully gullible, they will believe anything as long as it is "official".
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Who gets to decide "overwhelming?" Hoax twats with zero education except gullibly believing any dork hoax page they read? Already on record as being biased agaisnt NASA? WTF kind of adult debate is that?
Whine all you wish, all I see are a handful of mcjob wankers who've never worked a technical job in their life, who get ridiculed by actual physicists who actually work for a living ;)
The "hoax" is retarded and so is anyone who thinks it was one
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker Bart sibrel is a lunatic with anger issues. He had zero technical experience and his videos are rank with rudimentary errors of basic science. There's no evidence you can name, of any kind, that hasnt already been refuted and laughed at long before you barged in here like a wanker.
Go ahead, name ANY evidence you can. Its all been proven to be the error of the hoax retards. Every last bit
SpreadingtheMuse 1 week ago
@SpreadingtheMuse Bart Sibrel makes no claims to being any kind of scientist, and his most important contribution has been in exposing the obvious lies of the astronauts themselves. The way they react when he confronts them is exactly the way we see con-men who have been swindling the public react when confronted by "doorstep" reporters from consumer affairs TV shows.
If they really went to the moon, they wouldn't run away from him and threaten to have him "waxed".
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
Further to below, the biggest lie of them all is this "Its all been proven to be the error of the hoax retards. Every last bit."
It is very easy to make that sweeping claim, but anyone properly researching this will discover it to be false. What the self-styled "debunkers" often do is merely DISPUTE the evidence. That is very different from DISPROVING it. For example, most of the conclusive evidence of fake photos has never been disproved.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago
@BritishTruthSeeker You're absolutely right. This sentence was stupid.
But fact is, everything people who thinks there are strange stuffs on this video just stay in this statement. But it is not so weird, with some knowledge in science you'll find an explanation. (For example you don't see stars in the sky, it is just a problem of exposure of the camera... )
But even without any science skills, think about everything that implies this hoax. It's huge and impossible!
bogdapollo11 1 week ago
@bogdapollo11 Many of those photos were definitely faked. Why? If they really went, why fake them?
I see people here asking: "How did they fool the Russians?" I don't know how, but I also don't know how the magician, David Copperfield, made the Statue of Liberty seem to disappear. So does that mean that he REALLY made it disappear?
I don't need to know exactly how they pulled off every single trick. The fact that just some of the tricks have been exposed is enough to satisfy me.
BritishTruthSeeker 1 week ago