It must really hurt to know that you finally met some guys who dont believe the shit you are talking.
GIVE US FACTS, TRUTH! Or are you frightened of being dissed? I think you are. Sucker. I am glad that the amount of idiots like you is becoming less and less on earth.
Tell me eunuch... are you prepared to accept the facts when they're presented?
It's a pretty simple question, worm... answer it, and we can proceed.
You want to jerk me around and waste my time with your ignorant, foul mouthed tripe, as if you ever thought to use your brain for its originally intended purpose.
After you and your boyfriend sleep on it, give me one reason to believe that you're by any means going to accept the "facts.
You idiot, if you'd have read my texts thouroughly you'd already have noticed that I said I'm open for anything. I'm not a narrow-minded, brain-washing, racistic, prejudiced asslicker as you are. I am always ready to accept the TRUTH as long as you tell me the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH.
Your apology is accepted, and you have my sincere apology as well.
First off, I want to say that you are right to say that I "believe".
Truth is, we all "believe" in something, and those things we believe are based on an analysis of information.
Being that information input is unique and personal to each individual, and our processing capabilities differ, I don't honestly expect that we would all come to the same identical conclusion on all things.
... deem "fact" you may deem to be crap, and vice-versa.
I "believe" in a supreme power(God), or rather, am convinced God's existence is a "fact" simply by process of elimination.
How does one grasp the concept of infinity in a physical sense?
I have come to the personal conclusion that since both cause and effect both obviously exist(unless life is but a dream), or more simply stated, since motion exists, someone had to have willfully "caused" it.
... ask you to explain for me how "will" itself came to be if it had not been an infinitely known device obtainable or instilled in what we know to be living organisms?
Going back to motion... there is no need for it, except of course in the realm of the physical.
Science itself is convinced that all which is physical originated from an infinitesimal "singularity".
Who or what could possibly have willful control over the boundaries of that which is infinite...
I totally aggree that everybody has to "believe" and both our opnions about the evolution of life is, at least at this state of information we got, just "belief".
I didn't ignore god when I was younger but had changed my mind as I personally think that the evolution of life is also working without a supreme power. The theory of evolution explained life to me better than gegenis (god). Both points of view can yet not be proven, I hope we will soon get a clear answer on this problem though.
I just had the impression that you are trying to give people here facts which seemed to me manipulative. Anyways. It is childish to argue and much better to just respect the opinion of others.
Since English is not my native language, I have problems to describe my exact thoughts. That's why I suggest to end this discussion.
... to say that everyone born into a Muslim family is an evil person(because that certainly is not the case), I do however contend that islam itself is a very dangerous snake-in-the-grass.
For what it's worth, I feel a sense of responsibility to bring this to light.
Guys, stop argueing here, just believe what yourself want to believe.
And accept the fact that you're BELIEVING it, you are definitly NOT KNOWING anything.
I can not prove the non-existence of god, neither is anyone on earth able to prove his existence. So just believe what you want but stop claiming that your "belief" is true.
i dont care if the bible is invente copied..in the past it was violent like islam..now only terrorists are always you muslims so you get bombed in your countries..idiots. your terrorists are killing innocents.
@studentofJesus knw you talk about satanic verses. you cliam this that this that. show me some proof coz you sound so confident. another thing sme people claim 50 000 errors in the bible.
Sir, since you have boldly called me a liar for exposing the fact that the quran is a mess... full of changes and contradictions, would you please be so kind as to explain to your Muslim brethren precisely what I mean by "QURAN ABROGATIONS"?
Sir, anyone with a modest education can clearly see what a fraud islam is, and also what its false prophet Muhammad was.
So what about the Old Testament where god is evil and destroying the earth? So what about gods will to make natural catastrophes to destroy nature and (human) life? What about the crusades where a big mass of people got slaughtered for religion?
I am not making these desasters up. I invite you dumbass to investigate it AND:
Finally stop unselling other religion to let yours look better.
I myself have no belief in god, but I find it more than fair to accept other beliefs.
I invite you to search the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and find for me one(1) thing which you would deem detrimental to mankind.
You call yourself a non-believer, then you look upon the O.T. catastrophes and insinuate that somehow, if there IS a God, that any catastrophe placed upon mankind by Him is unwarranted.
If there IS a God, darkem11, who then lays claim to authority over all things...
Just because you don't want to believe in God, and just because you don't understand His motives certainly doesn't mean He doesn't exist, nor does it mean that His motives are not righteous and orderly.
This is a very easy question: As you can take from every modern constitution, NO ONE can lay claim to authority over things like life&death etc. You should have learnt this in school I hope.
Religions only excuse for anything that happens on earth is that "god moves in misterious ways". You can not explain everything with that. That is narrow-minded. You should just accept that, Jesus Christensen.
Whoever originated life has authority over it, whether it suits you or not.
When you can fully explain both the origin and destination of the universe, then come along and try to convince me that God doesn't "move in mysterious ways".
You're gonna need a little more than luck with that, bub.
Nobody has authority over the life of others. I am really afraid that you lack education, bub. What does your constitution say about life? Check it out.
See, that's the problem with religion: You are not trying to make your arguments strong, you are trying to weaken the opponent arguements.
Why don't you just stop changing the subject and answer my question:
Can you prove the existence of god? If you can, do it. Now. :)
"Everything that lives.. all of it's precise order" does not proof the existence of god. There are much better theories for the origin of life: The theory of evolution for example is able to explain the origin of the earth and life. And this theory doesnt even need something which isnt provable.
Let's get back to the Islam: I am pretty well versed with the Islam etc. So tell me exactly WHAT is evil in islam? Go ahead, you narrow-minded victim of god.
With every thing you say, you continue to prove yourself more ignorant.
You idiot... you know NOTHING about islam, because you obviously know nothing about its inception or the scoundrel originally responsible for it.
You imbecile... I advise you to get up to speed on these things.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a 10 cent moron like you until you do some research, or swear to me that you're going to actually investigate what I say before you respond with more drivel.
By the way, I am really amused of your manipulating way of talking: You are obliterating facts by distracting from the subject, you are not really answering any questions, you are not giving any personal arguments which could support your arguements, thus, the only thing you do is criticizing others and trying to be not attacked. This is the way, theologians like you work. Bravo, you manipulating dick.
You are right, no one can make up their mind without information. But the way you are informing those people here is not fair. You are not giving ANY facts with GOOD sources but making empty assumptions which ARE definitly branwashing others.
This is why your doings are wrong. You should keep your own opinion about religions for yourself if you do it like this. Jesus Christnsn, you are the evil one here.
1. Why are you trying to make the islam look bad and thus making your religion look better?
2. Why are you trying to influence others minds here at all?
I dont think that I will get any true answer but I'd just like to show you that your doings are not good at all. Damn it, Let everybody make up his mind on his own. It's totally fine by me if you believe in something, but don't try to brainwash others. Let them decide on their own.
@studentofJesus you try and convince people with reason.... no one will believe you on reasoning you need proof and facts to back your claims something i have been trying to tell you for more then 2 weeks!
Voluntary ignoramuses have no intention of accepting facts, any more than they will accept reason.
Reason is based in fact.
Almost without exception, an ignoramus ignores the historic facts which support the opponents position.
They feel they must, in order to keep their prideful assumptions intact.
This is why they become so hostile toward me... I prove their so called prophet a fraud, which threatens their warm, fuzzy little bubble of false security and self righteousness.
Why dont just give us FACTS! 1. Prove the existence of god and 2. Show the evil side of islam!
WHY the hell you cant give me a an answer on that? I really am sure by now that you just have NO idea. You are silly, an idiot. You call me ignorant but in fact it is you who behaves ignorant and narrow-minded.
So finally give us some facts and stop running away from the truth motherfucker :)
Tell me honestly. you filthy mouthed punk... are you prepared to accept the facts about Muhammad.
You see, you pathetic, foul mouthed eunuch, I've wasted a lot of time and energy on mindless derelicts like you, and I'm getting kind of pickey-choosey these days about how my time's spent.
If you're so damned stupid you can't see the evil side of islam, I have to wonder how you have the aptitude to even dress yourself in the morning.
Now, eunuch... ARE YOU PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH?
Ultimately people should be able to read any religious or spiritual text and decide for themselves what is true and what is not. Pray on it. Keep your heart open to the love of God and he will most assuredly answer your questions as to who he is. Many monotheistic religions share common themes. I do not measure my sins on a scale for even one sin would out weigh all the good I could do for eternity. Only One God but so many religions. This is the perversion of man.
if as you say the bible a compilation of many books was sent by Allah, and because of its many changes you don't believe it. Then should you not believe the Jewish scriptures for the same reasons as they have not changed but great care has been taken to preserve them 'word for word'?
And Jesus being killed by humans does not negate him as a prophet. Every prophet lived and died as humans.
bible was also sent by Allah, the only reason us muslims dont belive it now is cos its been changed over and over agin unlike the Quran, the only original book ever :D pure, now dont go cryin over this comment or swearing, its a sin :D
It have been changed so we can understand what we're reading. At that time they used old words that we don't understand now. Iv'e tried to read the "old" bible, and I didn't understand anything! They translated the Bible into a easier version for it to be easier to understand. But they didn't change the text or decided what they wanted to be standing in the book. Like I said, the bible is OLD, like the christianity. Islam aren't as old as the bible, maybe that's why you still can understand it.
@studentofJesus u sily person wat a sily person u r. if u new anyting about islam u woud knw that islam says when ever some one claims something ask him for his proof.
dont tell us to research it you tells us your self if u speak the truth! and i knw wat ur talking about it is pittyful bring it on show me some changes in the quran liar.
already since moses time they talked about jesus, that wasn't born yet. Every prophet talked about jesus, who'll save us. But where did they mention muhammad? Islam is a religion that haven't excisted so long, like christianity and the the jews. They've taken alot of things, the most, from the bible and the touran. BUT changed it like they want it. Example, they say that abrahams son who he almost killed, was ismael not isak, that's not true.they cut boys foreskin like the JEWS do and muchmore!!
Gosh. Ofc the humans! Then who? He would kill himself? One thing that you don't understand is that Jesus was a human AT THE SAME TIME he had God's spirit in him. The humans killed Jesus but his holy spirit did resume from the dead. They killed the body. It makes sense that god sent jesus to get killed, to forgive us our sins. God loves us so much that he sent us his only son so we can turn and get the forgiveness. Just.. turn or burn! it's up to you... Take care :)
the god has said : { This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs! } quraan 10/92
Islam came along 600 years after Christianity. It was, and is, a political tool for control over masses, nothing else. Mohammed was no prophet, but a murderer and tyrant, a general nasty bastard by any standards. He had one talent, for sure: the ability to fool one hell of a lot of people for a hell of a long time. He was one of the ' false prophets ', a fraud, albeit a smart one.
The 1st three & half minutes of vocal chant/music on here is sublime and thanx for posting. Youtube is a wonderful thing & the debate is good for us as long as it doesn't turn nasty over our differing cultures religions & beliefs, enough of that going on in the animated world. The smile you give returns to you.
good question, Prophet Muhamad came 600 years after Jesus, and to him the Quran was recited by angel Gabriel. But generally speaking Muslims say that Islam is the only religion and that Jesus is also a muslim and a mighty messenger of God and that Islam did not start with Muhammad or the koran rather the quran is the last and final scripture given to Man kind by God and is the reinforcement of the religion which was originally taught to Adam and Eve.
Believe it or not Jesus was mentioned in the Qur'an since the bible existed before Jesus and they didn't modify their book at all it would have had to come after Jesus.
islam ist scheiße, mohammed=kinderschänder, islam=terror, koran=lüge, allah=nicht existet
und noch was bitte keine drohungen mehr hab genug davon und in deutschland gibt es eine presse freiheit!!!, und noch was ich war mal moslem ich bin aberkonvertiert zum christentum weil der islam radikal ist
The video refutes the claim that the Quran must have copied by pointing out the fast that there are perfectly valid and rational explanations (such as same God). So how exactly is it backwards thinking? infact its clear that the people who make the copy claim are doing the backwards thinking and getting backwards conclusions such as yours. It is you who assumes your conclusion.
If the info comes from (same God) and copied from this same God, then why are Muslims so adamant about telling people that this knowledge was UNKNOWN until Quran?
If you tell a Muslim that other people knew of the things in Quran BEFORE the Quran was written......Muslims want to TWIST and start saying......'well, its from same God'.....when that is NOT the point.
The point. The knowledge was already known, now you are agreeing with me and saying it come from same God??? silly!
All prophets & the holy books of judaism & christianity r from the same God BUT unfortunately muslim believe that torah & bible had been corrupted(not everything) by human hands such as the believe of jesus(pbuh) as the son of God or he is 3 in 1 etc.Koran & muhammad(pbuh) sent by God to RECORRECT this statement to save humans from submitting themselves to the wrong doctrines.God ask us to submit to him ONLY.He got no son.Not 3 in 1.He is the creator of heaven & earth..the 1 & only God!
I want the same answer from u 2 please!how do u know pandu & vishnu created heavens & earth?holy scriptures right?or someone tells u & believe it!for islam koran is not just a book!these r words from god!the best way of finding about ANY religions in the world r from their holy scriptures & teachings of prophets.Every religions have their own holy scriptures-Christians(bible),Jews(torah),Hindu(Vedas),Buddhism(teachings of siddhatta buddha) & islam(koran & sunnah).
See!that's my point!the best way to know the truth IS from the holy scriptures isn't it!I pass my test!MEN didn't know Jesus is NOT God or son of God(Trinity).Science in the Koran & Bible r different.Koran talks about Hudud(Law/punishment),marriage,divorce,economics,politics,community,how u raise up yr children,limitations of men & women(dress code etc) & a lot more that men didn't know.Koran is a COMMAND & SIGNS from the creator as well as the stories of all the prophets as a reminder for us.
Maybe they did know but is it written(details) in the any holy scriptures?Example..U & I raise our children differently but whose way r correct?The best way of living our life in this world & the hereafter is by following the way that have been mention in the Koran.Maybe some men thinks he is correct & the other say it's not!So these men need to refer to what would God command them to do!& what do u mean by 'man brother'?& give me that 'truth based on the evidence' thing.
U & I raise our children differently but whose way r correct?"
How do you determine which way is MORE correct to raise children? Why do you say Islam is better for raising children than some other religion. What is your scale for grading which is better??
When you figure out there is NO scale to measure and SEE which way is better, it is ridiculous to claim to be better.
THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE! So, stop lying about what you don't know!
U know why crime rates today r rising tremendously?This comes from the family institutions these criminals r raise up!Broken homes,divorce,child & sexual abuse,alchoholism etc..Koran have a guidelines because naturally humans need & desire r the same.Example..LAW!every country have they own law..Death sentence r implemented in some country but some said it is a very cruel punishment even for murder?If 1 of yr family raped or murdered,which 1 of these punishment u prefer?Islam has the answer!
All religions have the answer......but is that answer RIGHT and how do you know?
If you did not believe Islam was right, would your God punish you? YEP. So, no matter what, you CAN'T go against the Quran and MUST think it is right.
Even if the Quran is wrong, you CAN'T believe it.
So, no brother, Islam is not necessarily the RIGHT answer!
Let see this from a 'logical perspective'.USA have a worst inmoral activities such as adultery,alchoholism,gay,lesbian,teenage pregnancy,porno etc & they say this is RIGHT thing to do as long as it is not a crime!If u agree & let these thing happen & say that they can do whatever they want to do,u can just imagine what humans would become in future.Some people thought that they r right but they r ignorant people.From a human nature we know that these things r wrong but they remain astray!
I am not avoiding yr question!I have already stated clearly in my comment!U just didn't get it!Islamic way is the CORRECT way!Islam teaches children to obey parents & older people,to be a good students,neighbours,friends,mix around(with limitation given) with community,to keep yr moral at the heighest level,do things with good intentions,don't eat or drinks that r prohobited(alchohol,pork etc),cautious of what u see,hear,listen(& yr hands),keep yr veil(for girls) & the list goes on..correct?
There r societies that agreed(or keep silence) with same sex marriage,porno & adultery.Some have their own 'gay society'!Morality r modified,altered & created by their own society 'needs'.Koran & hadith have guides & instructions on how to build a perfect society with correct morality & humans at least have to try to build that society base on it.Does an atheist have a limitations of free sex,alcholism,porno,dress code where women wearing a 'g-string & a bra on the street in broad daylight?
That is why i want u to see fr 'logical perspective'!not religion!so u think it's a good moral behavior for a women to be naked walking in a street?u think a mother would let her daughter to walk on the street like that?that's the problem!u see moral from yr point of u & think it's right!a muslim not even want that type of this women on their street & would never dream of touching her!Sorry!Islam teach us..repeat.. to be cautious of what u see,hear,speak & do things with good intentions!
if someone attack her it's a crime!& all religions r against crime!what we r talking about is moral behavior.i am not talking about her choice..just want yr point of view sincerely fr yr heart'do u think it's natural for a person to be naked on the street?'i mean she human isn't she?so naturally in her sane mind she should cover herself.if she didn't it is against human nature!only animals do not need to cover because they apparently created by GOD like that!God created us with brains to think!
NO.u didn't!that's why i ask more questions (with more examples) cause i still didn't have the answer!I try to argue NOT in a religions perspective,on family institutions,on society,laws & morals.I also stated how/what is the best way to know/understand any religions.I gave u islamic point of view & answers on these matters.What do u give me?U want me to read?at least i have Koran & hadith to read.I ask u..Does atheist have any holy scriptures of their own?or r they too 'ego' to have any?
Does atheist have any holy scriptures of their own?or r they too 'ego' to have any?"
Why would we have one?
We don't need a book to tell us about morals, since morals come from society, NOT GOD.
We don't need a book to tell us how to live, since living does not come from GOD!
SEE, now, I answer your questions, but instead of refuting what I say, I bet you just continue to ask more questions that I will answer. Instead of refuting, I bet you just ask more questions. I answer, you ask!
If u read carefully in my comments i refuted everything u said + ANSWERS + EXAMPLES + QUESTIONS!it makes easier to understand,right!If u have a machine that u do not know anything about,u need to know who the manufacturer(God) is,manuals/instructions(holy books) on how to assemble it together perfectly, an instructor(prophets) to teach u on how to operate the machine safely!of course religion r not machines anyway!just an example AGAIN..NOT A QUESTIONS!
But that machine is already in front of us!Something or someone or some factory did designed & manufatured it!we shouldn't just assemble it without knowing anything about it.maybe it eventually works(because of yr own experiment & trial etc.)what makes u so sure it will run correctly as icollapsed?
we know nothing about the manufacturer! but that machine is in front of us already so we r the one who have to seek knowledge of God!it's nature for us to believe that in our little mind we r created from somewhere,something that is much more superior above us.what is it?so search for it,learn,study whatever religions there is in the world!
manuals/instructions(holy books) on how to assemble it together perfectly."
You don't need a manual to tell you how to live. Just look around you, watch reality. You can SEE without ever being told by Quran that murder, rape, robbery is bad.
SEE, how ridiculous that is?? YOu can gather morals and ethics based on the society in which you live, not the religion you follow!
Again u r talking about crimes where every religions clearly condemned..again i repeat..morals & ethics differ from each society to another!i gave examples previously that some society think that their way of life is what they want them to be(gays,lesbians,free sex etc.)but other society say that they r morally wrong!for this argument they need to seek,search,study what & how religions deal with this!(rules & law of human nature)& religions want humans to follow the morals & ethics given by God.
1st-i don't think humans r born gay or lesbian.what makes them like that is because of the society u r talking about,their social life,influences around them(friends),pornographic resources,try to do something different/new from a normal sex.if u admit like 'i can't help it,i was born to have a relationship(sex) with a dog!'it is against human nature!2nd-again & again i stated that morals r different depends on society.Some SOCIETY say baby abortions r OK & some society aggressively against it!
instructor(prophets) to teach u on how to operate the machine safely!"
You learn by experience. People try to teach you, so you don't have to experience the bad. This happens in childhood and being taught by the parent.
The teaching of the child from right from wrong, since the adult has witnessed reality and KNOWS that murder is bad, this is normal and requires no belief in a God whatsoever.
Again u r talking about murder!but like i said before..some country or society stated that a murderer shouldn't be 'punish with death'.it's cruel! but some stated otherwise!which punishment r correct?Koran have answered that!some parents experienced from their childhood that porno,gays etc. r NOT wrong..that the problem.these will eventually create new society with new problems!some say it's ok to kill a baby in a mother's womb(abortions)!what do u think?again a question for u to answer!
Previously i refuted that 'morals' & 'how we live' did come from God through the live of prophets as an example for us humans because IF NOT..humans will blend/invented/modified it according their own personnel & society needs & i explained why & started to asked u what if...!which disturbed u i guess!humans r fragile & weak to temptations,lust etc.we r not perfect,we make mistakes so we need instructions/guides(holy books) & examples(prophets) from God(unless we think we r too perfect).
again..murder!is that the only example u can give?oh yes..rape & robbery too!every humans knows that it is a sin,crime,bad etc. but religions r not talking about crimes only!it is much more than that!in case u forgotten i stated before that islam talk about marriage,social,economics,trade,society,law,how to dress,society etc.U always make me repeating my statements again & again!seems like u r playing twist & turn here!the REALITY is why there r still crimes everywhere in the world & increasing?
YES..watch reality & ask yrself this questions why r these crimes increasing everyday?the modern & freewill we r,the more we realize that crimes r rising too!why?(i ask this previously but i didn't get the answer).r we building a society that create criminals?(again..question without answer).why do humans rape,murder etc.!because they r evil!why they have evil hearts in them?questions..no answer!does religions teach them?i don't think so!all religions teach good things!
Crimes can be watch by reality(i never deny it)but WHY it happen & how can we deal with it?1st-we need to punished this criminals to educate/remind others not to do crimes!but which punishment is suitable?2nd-need to analyze the criminals to find out why it happened(childhood bad memories,influence by friends,family,community,society etc.)3rd-preventions!how to prevent crimes!Islam have these steps for humans to deal with but not just for crimes!
a muslim not even want that type of this women on their street & would never dream of touching her!"
WELL, if a Muslim would never touch her, then what is problem with her choice in NOT having any clothes on? NO MUSLIM WOULD TOUCH HER!
Even though NO Muslim would ever touch her, you think its wrong for HER to decide not to wear clothes, which is free will that religions say was given by God.
U didn't get me!YES it is her choice(free will)!but the argument here is whether in a human sane mind she should do that?if a couple having sex out in the open,do u think parents would let their kids to watch?if u think it's their free will,AGAIN i would say..OK..BUT ask yrself what kind of society r we trying to build here?base on atheism?Yes,God give us free will,freedom of speech/expression etc but God wants believers to use it WISELY as God put us humans above animals & even angels!
stumang, what I have gotten from you is the same thing from Drpsholder, 1: You're both fools and 2: You both are ignorant.
1: Please provide proof that a book was modified BEFORE you claim it is. The only modification I can think of is where they removed god's name from the bible. This was corrected by the "Jehovah's witnesses."
2: Law is mentioned in the bible... What do you think a sin is... Also god set a rule called "An eye for an eye" Also he set specific rules in the first 3 books.Read on
3: Not ALL Christians follow the same "I'll do it now and be forgiven" Attitude. This isn't a modification it's a miscommunication. Jesus didn't give us the right to murder who we please because we will be forgiven. He simply died so when we do mess up we are forgiven. If you say "All Islam believes the same thing" Then by that thinking all of you should be in jail for being terrorists. consider that. Continued in new post...
4: If Islam was truly gods word why didn't he tell people to over throw the people modifying it? Or better yet, why didn't he wipe out all the Christians and Jews? On top of that why is Christianity more popular then Islam? Lastly why do more Islamic people convert to Christianity then Christians convert to Islam?
You see I believe that god is all powerful, The "Holy spirit" Is his power, and his son was the ultimate sacrifice. Read next post....
You see I don't believe we worship the same god... No I don't I believe your god is made from 75% Pieces of my god and 25% of the ego of a mad man. A man who hates women and all that is truly right.
You see unlike you book mine doesn't name the enemy, My god couldn't do that or the name would change and people would fall from grace trying to find it. So he warned the only possible thing he could have. Continued in a new post.
My God and your God, The God of all that exists!! The One Only God, our Lord! our Creator! has revealed who the enemy is, and I will share this knowledge with you and enlighten you with the True and Unchanged, preserved revelation of God, the enemy is:
" Lo! the devil is an enemy for you, so treat him as an enemy. He only summoneth his faction to be owners of the flaming Fire." (The Holy Qur'an 35:6)
Beware of what you say, because if it's unchanged you would have to say in in the tongue it was written in, and I know you haven't read it in that language.
The truth of the matter is a person who wants to be with god can go through life knowing nothing about him yet still be saved. Why? Because regardless of which book is correct and which book is not, those people that made a attempt to follow their creator will be saved and in the end he will show us the correct way.
The bible never says god sleeps it says he rests which means he takes breaks. Being a father doesn't make him imperfect and when it was mentioned in the bible it is that because he is male and has created everything he is the father of all. Thus it is not saying he needed a woman to help him or anything to create it, it calls him the father of all things because we all come from him.
Also when the bible says "There are many gods" It doesn't mean they have any power "God" May have meant leader.
Of course he doesn't need it but he can and that's the point. If he feels like taking a break or eating something I believe he can do so.
Jesus in my belief is his first creation, and he loves him very deeply which is why he is called his "Son". Jesus has power but isn't as powerful as the almighty lord. The Holy spirit from what I understand is his power.
Do I worship Jesus? No, not unless what certain Christians say is true and that he IS the almighty lord that came here in human form. Peace
I mean the first thing the almighty god created was Jesus. He was the first being that was brought into existence by the almighty lord; and yes his power is limitless.
Just because you don't have to do something doesn't mean you can't. For instance I have to eat sleep and drink. The almighty god does not. But that doesn't mean he Cannot as he can do anything. When he rested I believe it was an example to humans so WE don't ruin our selves as we do have free will.
Just because people enjoy stuff like drinking alcohol for example, even though it is not necessary for surviving the same think won't apply to Almighty because he is not imperfect human. He is more pure and powerful.
Just the idea to make Almighty similar to humans is very insulting.
All mankind kind is a sinner. Comparing Almighty to a man with similar desires is just too much.
That is like saying because human's speak it is insulting to think the almighty does. Plus you counterdicted your self.
In your comment you said "whenever Almighty wants something he says to it to 'be' and it will be." WANTS being the key word here. If he wants to relax then so be it he will relax. And again there is not reason for us to be here because he is all powerful and can live by him self. According to this can we assume that perhaps he was lonely? Not saying he is but MAYBE he was.
But didn't he technically invent the action of Relaxing? If he made humans to need rest then he would have created rest.
And yes Angels were created before us and I personally believe that Jesus was the first angel.
And yes there may be many creatures and the universe we exist in may only be a 3 dimensional area. The earth moves the sun moves the clocks hands move but nothing else moves.
Also note I do not say it to insult him but based on the given information I am wondering if he would
But isn't saying he CAN'T DO these actions saying that he doesn't have all power? I can understand god not wanting to do actions but again perhaps he did it to set an example to humans. In Christianity the seventh day is holy because it belongs to the lord. And we must not labor on that day and even the lord him self supposedly doesn't work on that day for it is his. He may do what he wishes and because he is all powerful he could take away his own want. But maybe he doesn't want to. ;)
It is same as saying a president can not go in public alone. He can do it but it would be dangerous for him to do so. Therefore, he can not.
I didn't try to imply God won't be able to do. He simply can't because it won't suit him and his position.
In Islam we have Friday but it is not for us not to work but for us to worship the creator and acknowledge his power Hence we have the Friday prayer. It is for us to remove our busy life style for a moment and pay attention to what is really important
Well on the day of rest you're not suppose to work and you are suppose to worship the almighty lord. Still I don't think either of us will be changing each others views but it was nice talking to you and may god bless both of us so we do someday find the truth in what he wants us to do.
My god said there would be people who claimed to follow the same god as me, that they would stand there and tell me that they are a man of god but they are worshiping a golden calf that has nothing to do with the real god or very little if that.
So the argument we follow the same god is the same as if you said I followed the same god as a Hindu does. Sure they may have very close values but they are indeed not the same.
It is backwards. I have proven that knowledge in Quran was already known. Was it copied, borrowed, stolen, found, orally transferred?? We don't know, were not there, but we do know that this knowledge already existed.
So, if it was copied, then it may have come from same god, but it certainly proves the knowledge was already known, which means the Quran is no mircale for saying what was already known!!
SEE how you guys are. Will do anything to make your book look perfect...even lie!
They don't like...things like... Usury (cuz take away usury from Jews... and they would be destroyed). Jesus human nature (take this away, and you take away the grip of religion on the world)...
What about Islam? are we Muslims really that arrogant as they say? Do we categorize people as either Muslim or Kafer?.
The answer to that... Lies within you. Read your Quran and don't ever let any one read it for you (always open it when you hear some one read it).
There is only ONE QURAN and it has been for over 1400 years. The Sunnis and Shiits believe in the same Quran, from my knowledge i believe the two tribes separated back when Muhammed(pbh) passed away due to a illness and Abu Bakr(pbh) was made the Islamic leader instead of Ali(pbh) which started a feud between different people. I read this from a biography of Muhammed(pbh), however it might not 100% accurate.
Thank you brother for making this video. We need more Muslims to speak out against Christian missionaries and their silly attacks. Allah has already told us this in the Quran. The jews and the Christians will never be satisfied untill we adopt their views.
may Allah bless u brother 1of the muslims u posted a good topic and it is logical and is not offensive and it is about the basic idea not about silliness,that is our need to talk about the basic ideas not about particular ones
again may ALLAH bless u and give u his forgivness and mercy and love and full ur heart with faith and we hope to recieve good and serious replies for this video
"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful." Proclaim: He is the one and only God, God the absolute, the eternal. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And none is like unto Him. (Quran Ch.112 v. 1-4)
The video is so true but the other challenge remains on ; take the bible and all/any data available and make a chapter in Arabic or even 10 verses. That Quranic challenge was never taken by the ancient Arab poets , so what chance anybody else has? Quran was never proven wrong or inaccurate ever , it keeps on revealing scientific facts challenging every century. amazing living miracle and a proof that Mohammed (PBUH) is the last messenger from the creator -Allah.
mohammad is =
-murder
-adultery
-lustfull,got alot of wife..one of them was 9 year old
this is the man u praise beside god?
wait...u musta b kiding me...
LOL
only Jesus can save us
TheSuferwell 1 year ago
@TheSuferwell so king Solomon was murderer and lustfull as well according to u.. why do u take him as a prophet...
prosk8er 1 year ago
It must really hurt to know that you finally met some guys who dont believe the shit you are talking.
GIVE US FACTS, TRUTH! Or are you frightened of being dissed? I think you are. Sucker. I am glad that the amount of idiots like you is becoming less and less on earth.
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
Tell me eunuch... are you prepared to accept the facts when they're presented?
It's a pretty simple question, worm... answer it, and we can proceed.
You want to jerk me around and waste my time with your ignorant, foul mouthed tripe, as if you ever thought to use your brain for its originally intended purpose.
After you and your boyfriend sleep on it, give me one reason to believe that you're by any means going to accept the "facts.
I'm all ears eunuch.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
HAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA now he's getting angry :D
You idiot, if you'd have read my texts thouroughly you'd already have noticed that I said I'm open for anything. I'm not a narrow-minded, brain-washing, racistic, prejudiced asslicker as you are. I am always ready to accept the TRUTH as long as you tell me the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH.
darkem11 2 years ago
Euh. We are not giving us the respect two adult persons should do. I apologize for my mouth.
But now I am really looking forward to seeing some facts :)
darkem11 2 years ago
allright then darkem11,
Your apology is accepted, and you have my sincere apology as well.
First off, I want to say that you are right to say that I "believe".
Truth is, we all "believe" in something, and those things we believe are based on an analysis of information.
Being that information input is unique and personal to each individual, and our processing capabilities differ, I don't honestly expect that we would all come to the same identical conclusion on all things.
What I might...
Cont'd
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Cont'd 1
... deem "fact" you may deem to be crap, and vice-versa.
I "believe" in a supreme power(God), or rather, am convinced God's existence is a "fact" simply by process of elimination.
How does one grasp the concept of infinity in a physical sense?
I have come to the personal conclusion that since both cause and effect both obviously exist(unless life is but a dream), or more simply stated, since motion exists, someone had to have willfully "caused" it.
I would respectfully...
Cont'd
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Cont'd 2
... ask you to explain for me how "will" itself came to be if it had not been an infinitely known device obtainable or instilled in what we know to be living organisms?
Going back to motion... there is no need for it, except of course in the realm of the physical.
Science itself is convinced that all which is physical originated from an infinitesimal "singularity".
Who or what could possibly have willful control over the boundaries of that which is infinite...
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Cont'd 3
I'll have to continue later.
I have to work now.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
May your apology also be accepted student.
I totally aggree that everybody has to "believe" and both our opnions about the evolution of life is, at least at this state of information we got, just "belief".
darkem11 2 years ago
I didn't ignore god when I was younger but had changed my mind as I personally think that the evolution of life is also working without a supreme power. The theory of evolution explained life to me better than gegenis (god). Both points of view can yet not be proven, I hope we will soon get a clear answer on this problem though.
darkem11 2 years ago
I just had the impression that you are trying to give people here facts which seemed to me manipulative. Anyways. It is childish to argue and much better to just respect the opinion of others.
Since English is not my native language, I have problems to describe my exact thoughts. That's why I suggest to end this discussion.
I am sorry.
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
If English is not your native language, I must commend you on having a better command of it than a vast many who have grown up with it.
As you can see, I have strong convictions about my beliefs, but I do respect your right to your personal beliefs.
Honestly, my main purpose in these forums is to reach those who consider oppression to be somehow pleasing to God.
This is one of my main beefs with islam, although there are many more.
Though it would be very much unfair...
Cont'd
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Cont'd 1
... to say that everyone born into a Muslim family is an evil person(because that certainly is not the case), I do however contend that islam itself is a very dangerous snake-in-the-grass.
For what it's worth, I feel a sense of responsibility to bring this to light.
I know it's upsetting to a lot of people.
I wish it didn't have to be that way.
Peace to you sir.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
hello
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Guys, stop argueing here, just believe what yourself want to believe.
And accept the fact that you're BELIEVING it, you are definitly NOT KNOWING anything.
I can not prove the non-existence of god, neither is anyone on earth able to prove his existence. So just believe what you want but stop claiming that your "belief" is true.
darkem11 2 years ago
I beg to differ with you darkem11
I contend that the existence of God IS provable.
I would agree, however, that getting some people(like yourself) to accept this may indeed be much more than difficult.
If you don't want to accept such rationalization you are certainly as entitled to your stubborn position... as I am likewise entitled to mine.
Remember though, that we are both free to promote our assumptions, and only one of us is right about this.
Peace.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Go ahead, cpt. jesus.
I am in no way a narrow-minded person like you seem to be.
So please, try to prove me the existence of god. I am absolutely willing to believe in god if someone proves his existence.
darkem11 2 years ago
mohamad can suck my dick!islam in my ass
samgee2007 2 years ago
i dont care if the bible is invente copied..in the past it was violent like islam..now only terrorists are always you muslims so you get bombed in your countries..idiots. your terrorists are killing innocents.
futuramark 2 years ago
Have any of you earnestly researched and examined the "Satanic Verses" of Muhammad?
If I'm not mistaken, scripture is quite clear as to the penalty for speaking in favor of false gods and idols.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
@studentofJesus knw you talk about satanic verses. you cliam this that this that. show me some proof coz you sound so confident. another thing sme people claim 50 000 errors in the bible.
khalidalwaleed1 2 years ago
khalidalwaleed1,
Sir, why do you come asking ME for proof?
We BOTH know that you could easily find this proof on your own.
You live in the U.K., which, if I'm not mistaken, is a country free of censorship, right?
RESEARCH IT.
Look friend, if I have quick and easy access to the facts about this, so then do you.
Now, prove yourself to be a man with enough courage to face the "truth" and DO SOME PERSONAL INVESTIGATING.
It's easy friend... this is the information age.
Don't be voluntarily ignorant.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
khalidalwalid1,
Sir, what precisely do you think I'm lying or misleading you about?
Be specific.
And if I put the truth directly under your nose will you have the integrity to accept it?
studentofJesus 2 years ago
khalidalwaleed1,
Sir, since you have boldly called me a liar for exposing the fact that the quran is a mess... full of changes and contradictions, would you please be so kind as to explain to your Muslim brethren precisely what I mean by "QURAN ABROGATIONS"?
Sir, anyone with a modest education can clearly see what a fraud islam is, and also what its false prophet Muhammad was.
You guessed it... a fraud.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
@studentofDumbass
So what about the Old Testament where god is evil and destroying the earth? So what about gods will to make natural catastrophes to destroy nature and (human) life? What about the crusades where a big mass of people got slaughtered for religion?
I am not making these desasters up. I invite you dumbass to investigate it AND:
Finally stop unselling other religion to let yours look better.
I myself have no belief in god, but I find it more than fair to accept other beliefs.
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
One more note to you...
I am a "Christian".
I invite you to search the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and find for me one(1) thing which you would deem detrimental to mankind.
You call yourself a non-believer, then you look upon the O.T. catastrophes and insinuate that somehow, if there IS a God, that any catastrophe placed upon mankind by Him is unwarranted.
If there IS a God, darkem11, who then lays claim to authority over all things...
Cont'd
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Cont'd 1
... including life, death, and judgment?
Just because you don't want to believe in God, and just because you don't understand His motives certainly doesn't mean He doesn't exist, nor does it mean that His motives are not righteous and orderly.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
@Cont'd1:
This is a very easy question: As you can take from every modern constitution, NO ONE can lay claim to authority over things like life&death etc. You should have learnt this in school I hope.
Religions only excuse for anything that happens on earth is that "god moves in misterious ways". You can not explain everything with that. That is narrow-minded. You should just accept that, Jesus Christensen.
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
Whoever originated life has authority over it, whether it suits you or not.
When you can fully explain both the origin and destination of the universe, then come along and try to convince me that God doesn't "move in mysterious ways".
You're gonna need a little more than luck with that, bub.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
You, sir, are totally wrong. Totally.
Nobody has authority over the life of others. I am really afraid that you lack education, bub. What does your constitution say about life? Check it out.
See, that's the problem with religion: You are not trying to make your arguments strong, you are trying to weaken the opponent arguements.
Why don't you just stop changing the subject and answer my question:
Can you prove the existence of god? If you can, do it. Now. :)
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
I don't believe you honestly have the stomach to delve into subjects and issues deeper than yourself.
As for my Constitution... what about it?
Am I here advocating murder?
If you had any fair sense of reason you would recognize just the opposite about me.
Everything that "lives"... all of it's precise order is proof of the existence of an omnipresent and infinitely organized God.
If that's not enough for you, I'm not sure what I can say to wake you from your slumber.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Bullshit.
"Everything that lives.. all of it's precise order" does not proof the existence of god. There are much better theories for the origin of life: The theory of evolution for example is able to explain the origin of the earth and life. And this theory doesnt even need something which isnt provable.
Let's get back to the Islam: I am pretty well versed with the Islam etc. So tell me exactly WHAT is evil in islam? Go ahead, you narrow-minded victim of god.
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
With every thing you say, you continue to prove yourself more ignorant.
You idiot... you know NOTHING about islam, because you obviously know nothing about its inception or the scoundrel originally responsible for it.
You imbecile... I advise you to get up to speed on these things.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a 10 cent moron like you until you do some research, or swear to me that you're going to actually investigate what I say before you respond with more drivel.
Deal?
studentofJesus 2 years ago
By the way, I am really amused of your manipulating way of talking: You are obliterating facts by distracting from the subject, you are not really answering any questions, you are not giving any personal arguments which could support your arguements, thus, the only thing you do is criticizing others and trying to be not attacked. This is the way, theologians like you work. Bravo, you manipulating dick.
darkem11 2 years ago
You are right, no one can make up their mind without information. But the way you are informing those people here is not fair. You are not giving ANY facts with GOOD sources but making empty assumptions which ARE definitly branwashing others.
This is why your doings are wrong. You should keep your own opinion about religions for yourself if you do it like this. Jesus Christnsn, you are the evil one here.
darkem11 2 years ago
I got some more questions for you:
1. Why are you trying to make the islam look bad and thus making your religion look better?
2. Why are you trying to influence others minds here at all?
I dont think that I will get any true answer but I'd just like to show you that your doings are not good at all. Damn it, Let everybody make up his mind on his own. It's totally fine by me if you believe in something, but don't try to brainwash others. Let them decide on their own.
darkem11 2 years ago
What are you so afraid of darkem11?
I'm not trying to "brainwash anyone; I'm merely trying to convince them with reason.
No one can "make up their mind" properly without information.
I'm not "trying to make islam look bad"... Islam(for those who can truly grasp its origins) makes itself look bad.
As far as people... I try to challenge them on an individual basis.
Not everyone born into an islamic family is necessarily an evil person, and I don't assume so.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
@studentofJesus you try and convince people with reason.... no one will believe you on reasoning you need proof and facts to back your claims something i have been trying to tell you for more then 2 weeks!
khalidalwaleed1 2 years ago
khalidalwaleed1,
Voluntary ignoramuses have no intention of accepting facts, any more than they will accept reason.
Reason is based in fact.
Almost without exception, an ignoramus ignores the historic facts which support the opponents position.
They feel they must, in order to keep their prideful assumptions intact.
This is why they become so hostile toward me... I prove their so called prophet a fraud, which threatens their warm, fuzzy little bubble of false security and self righteousness.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Why dont just give us FACTS! 1. Prove the existence of god and 2. Show the evil side of islam!
WHY the hell you cant give me a an answer on that? I really am sure by now that you just have NO idea. You are silly, an idiot. You call me ignorant but in fact it is you who behaves ignorant and narrow-minded.
So finally give us some facts and stop running away from the truth motherfucker :)
darkem11 2 years ago
darkem11,
Tell me honestly. you filthy mouthed punk... are you prepared to accept the facts about Muhammad.
You see, you pathetic, foul mouthed eunuch, I've wasted a lot of time and energy on mindless derelicts like you, and I'm getting kind of pickey-choosey these days about how my time's spent.
If you're so damned stupid you can't see the evil side of islam, I have to wonder how you have the aptitude to even dress yourself in the morning.
Now, eunuch... ARE YOU PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH?
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Actually friends...
approximately 2/3 of all quran verses have been "abrogated".
I invite you to research "QURAN ABROGATIONS".
Peace.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
@studentofJesus
Your the person who is making the hypothesis so you should show you evidence for you hypothesis don't you think?
Peace
abukar1414 2 years ago
abukar1414,
Hypothesis???
Sir, exactly what do you THINK I'm hypothesizing?
studentofJesus 2 years ago
Ultimately people should be able to read any religious or spiritual text and decide for themselves what is true and what is not. Pray on it. Keep your heart open to the love of God and he will most assuredly answer your questions as to who he is. Many monotheistic religions share common themes. I do not measure my sins on a scale for even one sin would out weigh all the good I could do for eternity. Only One God but so many religions. This is the perversion of man.
lascodude 2 years ago 2
if as you say the bible a compilation of many books was sent by Allah, and because of its many changes you don't believe it. Then should you not believe the Jewish scriptures for the same reasons as they have not changed but great care has been taken to preserve them 'word for word'?
And Jesus being killed by humans does not negate him as a prophet. Every prophet lived and died as humans.
lascodude 2 years ago
bible was also sent by Allah, the only reason us muslims dont belive it now is cos its been changed over and over agin unlike the Quran, the only original book ever :D pure, now dont go cryin over this comment or swearing, its a sin :D
sindacus 2 years ago
It have been changed so we can understand what we're reading. At that time they used old words that we don't understand now. Iv'e tried to read the "old" bible, and I didn't understand anything! They translated the Bible into a easier version for it to be easier to understand. But they didn't change the text or decided what they wanted to be standing in the book. Like I said, the bible is OLD, like the christianity. Islam aren't as old as the bible, maybe that's why you still can understand it.
HanininaH 2 years ago
sindacus.
Sir, I just want to help you with the truth...
You Muslims keep saying "the quran is unchanged".
This, of course, is a lie... the quran is VERY MUCH changed.
Please research "QURAN ABROGATIONS"(changes/overrides) and let's talk about this.
Let me know when you're ready.
studentofJesus 2 years ago
What about the changes to the bible?
gracore 2 years ago
gracore,
What changes?
studentofJesus 2 years ago
@studentofJesus u sily person wat a sily person u r. if u new anyting about islam u woud knw that islam says when ever some one claims something ask him for his proof.
dont tell us to research it you tells us your self if u speak the truth! and i knw wat ur talking about it is pittyful bring it on show me some changes in the quran liar.
khalidalwaleed1 2 years ago
already since moses time they talked about jesus, that wasn't born yet. Every prophet talked about jesus, who'll save us. But where did they mention muhammad? Islam is a religion that haven't excisted so long, like christianity and the the jews. They've taken alot of things, the most, from the bible and the touran. BUT changed it like they want it. Example, they say that abrahams son who he almost killed, was ismael not isak, that's not true.they cut boys foreskin like the JEWS do and muchmore!!
HanininaH 2 years ago
Prophets were sent from the begining...
Does it make sense god would send a man version of himself only to get killed by humans?
Your bible gives me the best reason why #I should not worship jesus... he was killed by humans!
transwarp100 2 years ago
Gosh. Ofc the humans! Then who? He would kill himself? One thing that you don't understand is that Jesus was a human AT THE SAME TIME he had God's spirit in him. The humans killed Jesus but his holy spirit did resume from the dead. They killed the body. It makes sense that god sent jesus to get killed, to forgive us our sins. God loves us so much that he sent us his only son so we can turn and get the forgiveness. Just.. turn or burn! it's up to you... Take care :)
HanininaH 2 years ago
until well really know.... lets blow somthing up :)
downunderkiwi 2 years ago
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yeahh quran fuck this shit quran its all copy of Bible
assyriangabare 2 years ago
salaam, wat software did u use to make this video?
Far7anR 2 years ago
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Get a live, idiots. There is no God.
Your brains are just getting washed, that's all. Give 'Reasonable Thinking' a chance!
darkem11 2 years ago
prove it. Yes we have already given it a chance and accepted it. When will you?
indypindy2 2 years ago 2
the one quraan ( correcting ) the all bibles
just one example :
trust + future !!
the god has said : { This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs! } quraan 10/92
are this copy or ( correct ) ?
thecosmology 2 years ago
LOL
Didn't you know they found Pharaoh's body around 40 years ago.
Now is in a Museum in USA ?
His body was preserved all this time to be a sign for people.
Ignorant....
LOL
simpleOgre 2 years ago
Islam came along 600 years after Christianity. It was, and is, a political tool for control over masses, nothing else. Mohammed was no prophet, but a murderer and tyrant, a general nasty bastard by any standards. He had one talent, for sure: the ability to fool one hell of a lot of people for a hell of a long time. He was one of the ' false prophets ', a fraud, albeit a smart one.
tenminutesgone 2 years ago
The 1st three & half minutes of vocal chant/music on here is sublime and thanx for posting. Youtube is a wonderful thing & the debate is good for us as long as it doesn't turn nasty over our differing cultures religions & beliefs, enough of that going on in the animated world. The smile you give returns to you.
bhilaj 2 years ago
Im not sure but wasn't Christianty ' invented' before Isalm i read it in a Religious Education book. :S
Stephanie9312 2 years ago
good question, Prophet Muhamad came 600 years after Jesus, and to him the Quran was recited by angel Gabriel. But generally speaking Muslims say that Islam is the only religion and that Jesus is also a muslim and a mighty messenger of God and that Islam did not start with Muhammad or the koran rather the quran is the last and final scripture given to Man kind by God and is the reinforcement of the religion which was originally taught to Adam and Eve.
indianmusicdanceluvr 2 years ago
Believe it or not Jesus was mentioned in the Qur'an since the bible existed before Jesus and they didn't modify their book at all it would have had to come after Jesus.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
Surah 10:94
joe00727 3 years ago
ppl lyke u
xenonv8 3 years ago
islam ist scheiße, mohammed=kinderschänder, islam=terror, koran=lüge, allah=nicht existet
und noch was bitte keine drohungen mehr hab genug davon und in deutschland gibt es eine presse freiheit!!!, und noch was ich war mal moslem ich bin aberkonvertiert zum christentum weil der islam radikal ist
RichieStringini1 3 years ago
The books COULD be similar because they came from the same God, but this is assuming that they came from the same God in the first place.
backwards thinking, gets you backwards results!
you MUST assume in order to make your claim seem right, but you are ONLY assuming.
Thanks, but most people are smarter than that!
drpsholder 3 years ago
The video refutes the claim that the Quran must have copied by pointing out the fast that there are perfectly valid and rational explanations (such as same God). So how exactly is it backwards thinking? infact its clear that the people who make the copy claim are doing the backwards thinking and getting backwards conclusions such as yours. It is you who assumes your conclusion.
1ofTheMuslims 3 years ago
If the info comes from (same God) and copied from this same God, then why are Muslims so adamant about telling people that this knowledge was UNKNOWN until Quran?
If you tell a Muslim that other people knew of the things in Quran BEFORE the Quran was written......Muslims want to TWIST and start saying......'well, its from same God'.....when that is NOT the point.
The point. The knowledge was already known, now you are agreeing with me and saying it come from same God??? silly!
drpsholder 3 years ago
All prophets & the holy books of judaism & christianity r from the same God BUT unfortunately muslim believe that torah & bible had been corrupted(not everything) by human hands such as the believe of jesus(pbuh) as the son of God or he is 3 in 1 etc.Koran & muhammad(pbuh) sent by God to RECORRECT this statement to save humans from submitting themselves to the wrong doctrines.God ask us to submit to him ONLY.He got no son.Not 3 in 1.He is the creator of heaven & earth..the 1 & only God!
syimang 3 years ago
First, How do you know if God has a Son? Where are your tests? SEE, you don't know. You only read a book and believe blindly!
Notice that Pandu and Vishnu created heavens and earth way before your Quran ever mentions it. Dont be scared of facts and science please. READ!
drpsholder 3 years ago
I want the same answer from u 2 please!how do u know pandu & vishnu created heavens & earth?holy scriptures right?or someone tells u & believe it!for islam koran is not just a book!these r words from god!the best way of finding about ANY religions in the world r from their holy scriptures & teachings of prophets.Every religions have their own holy scriptures-Christians(bible),Jews(torah),Hindu(Vedas),Buddhism(teachings of siddhatta buddha) & islam(koran & sunnah).
syimang 3 years ago
"how do u know pandu & vishnu created heavens & earth?"
The same proof you would provide. Their holy books say they did!
koran is not just a book!these r words from god!"
WRONG! Man knew everything in Quran. It is silly to think that God told Muhammed what MAN already knew!
drpsholder 3 years ago
See!that's my point!the best way to know the truth IS from the holy scriptures isn't it!I pass my test!MEN didn't know Jesus is NOT God or son of God(Trinity).Science in the Koran & Bible r different.Koran talks about Hudud(Law/punishment),marriage,divorce,economics,politics,community,how u raise up yr children,limitations of men & women(dress code etc) & a lot more that men didn't know.Koran is a COMMAND & SIGNS from the creator as well as the stories of all the prophets as a reminder for us.
syimang 3 years ago
a lot more that men didn't know.'
That's YOUR problem. MAN did KNOW!
The Quran was written by man brother. Sorry that believing me will get you punished! But that is the truth based on the evidence.
Believe it or not, that does not mean its not true!
drpsholder 3 years ago
Maybe they did know but is it written(details) in the any holy scriptures?Example..U & I raise our children differently but whose way r correct?The best way of living our life in this world & the hereafter is by following the way that have been mention in the Koran.Maybe some men thinks he is correct & the other say it's not!So these men need to refer to what would God command them to do!& what do u mean by 'man brother'?& give me that 'truth based on the evidence' thing.
syimang 3 years ago
U & I raise our children differently but whose way r correct?"
How do you determine which way is MORE correct to raise children? Why do you say Islam is better for raising children than some other religion. What is your scale for grading which is better??
When you figure out there is NO scale to measure and SEE which way is better, it is ridiculous to claim to be better.
THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE! So, stop lying about what you don't know!
drpsholder 3 years ago
U know why crime rates today r rising tremendously?This comes from the family institutions these criminals r raise up!Broken homes,divorce,child & sexual abuse,alchoholism etc..Koran have a guidelines because naturally humans need & desire r the same.Example..LAW!every country have they own law..Death sentence r implemented in some country but some said it is a very cruel punishment even for murder?If 1 of yr family raped or murdered,which 1 of these punishment u prefer?Islam has the answer!
syimang 3 years ago
All religions have the answer......but is that answer RIGHT and how do you know?
If you did not believe Islam was right, would your God punish you? YEP. So, no matter what, you CAN'T go against the Quran and MUST think it is right.
Even if the Quran is wrong, you CAN'T believe it.
So, no brother, Islam is not necessarily the RIGHT answer!
drpsholder 3 years ago
Let see this from a 'logical perspective'.USA have a worst inmoral activities such as adultery,alchoholism,gay,lesbian,teenage pregnancy,porno etc & they say this is RIGHT thing to do as long as it is not a crime!If u agree & let these thing happen & say that they can do whatever they want to do,u can just imagine what humans would become in future.Some people thought that they r right but they r ignorant people.From a human nature we know that these things r wrong but they remain astray!
syimang 3 years ago
Man knew the things in Quran before Quran was written.
Aryabhatta knew of moon's reflective light. Yes or no.
Aristotle PROVED spherical earth in 330BC. Yes or NO.
Arabs have Galen's medical texts. Yes or no.
Since MAN knew of these things, this is the PROOF I was telling you about.
I bet you CAN'T believe me and will ask stupid questions to keep from admitting the FACTS I just told you.
Let's see how honest you are. I just proved MAN knew before Quran!
drpsholder 3 years ago
I bet you start saying things like: Aristotle was wrong about some things....so How did Muhammed know which correct things to use in Quran????
UH, brother, because they were alredy known by MAN and I proved it.
If you already know something, would you ever be INCORRECT??
SEE, so since things were already known.....no wonder they are correct!
drpsholder 3 years ago
You avoid my questions, so i ask again:
How do you determine which way is MORE correct to raise children?
drpsholder 3 years ago
I am not avoiding yr question!I have already stated clearly in my comment!U just didn't get it!Islamic way is the CORRECT way!Islam teaches children to obey parents & older people,to be a good students,neighbours,friends,mix around(with limitation given) with community,to keep yr moral at the heighest level,do things with good intentions,don't eat or drinks that r prohobited(alchohol,pork etc),cautious of what u see,hear,listen(& yr hands),keep yr veil(for girls) & the list goes on..correct?
syimang 3 years ago
First, morality comes from society, NOT GOD!
Second, atheists promote obeying parents and elders, to be good students, neighbors, etc.
So they must be correct too, huh?
Think outside your religion brother. It has you by the throat!
drpsholder 3 years ago
There r societies that agreed(or keep silence) with same sex marriage,porno & adultery.Some have their own 'gay society'!Morality r modified,altered & created by their own society 'needs'.Koran & hadith have guides & instructions on how to build a perfect society with correct morality & humans at least have to try to build that society base on it.Does an atheist have a limitations of free sex,alcholism,porno,dress code where women wearing a 'g-string & a bra on the street in broad daylight?
syimang 3 years ago
AGain, again, again..........How do you know the instructions in Quran are perfect in morality and ethics.
Are you trying to get me to believe in your crazy analogies because you FEAR your God will unleash HIE wrath on you?
A women should be able to walk down the street naked; Muslims CAN"T touch her anyway! So, wearing a g-string is NOT bad!
Proven, but you will have a hard time believing it. You will get punished if you do!
drpsholder 3 years ago
That is why i want u to see fr 'logical perspective'!not religion!so u think it's a good moral behavior for a women to be naked walking in a street?u think a mother would let her daughter to walk on the street like that?that's the problem!u see moral from yr point of u & think it's right!a muslim not even want that type of this women on their street & would never dream of touching her!Sorry!Islam teach us..repeat.. to be cautious of what u see,hear,speak & do things with good intentions!
syimang 3 years ago
so u think it's a good moral behavior for a women to be naked walking in a street"
Its only bad if someone attacks her, but that is NOT her fault!
u think a mother would let her daughter to walk on the street like that?"
Did God give her free will or no????
u see moral from yr point of u & think it's right!"
HAHA No brother. I don't say I am right, I just say religion is wrong!
drpsholder 3 years ago
if someone attack her it's a crime!& all religions r against crime!what we r talking about is moral behavior.i am not talking about her choice..just want yr point of view sincerely fr yr heart'do u think it's natural for a person to be naked on the street?'i mean she human isn't she?so naturally in her sane mind she should cover herself.if she didn't it is against human nature!only animals do not need to cover because they apparently created by GOD like that!God created us with brains to think!
syimang 3 years ago
Brother. I am answering your questions. Instead of refuting me, you just attempt to muddy the waters by asking more questions.
Go back and read and think!
drpsholder 3 years ago
NO.u didn't!that's why i ask more questions (with more examples) cause i still didn't have the answer!I try to argue NOT in a religions perspective,on family institutions,on society,laws & morals.I also stated how/what is the best way to know/understand any religions.I gave u islamic point of view & answers on these matters.What do u give me?U want me to read?at least i have Koran & hadith to read.I ask u..Does atheist have any holy scriptures of their own?or r they too 'ego' to have any?
syimang 3 years ago
Does atheist have any holy scriptures of their own?or r they too 'ego' to have any?"
Why would we have one?
We don't need a book to tell us about morals, since morals come from society, NOT GOD.
We don't need a book to tell us how to live, since living does not come from GOD!
SEE, now, I answer your questions, but instead of refuting what I say, I bet you just continue to ask more questions that I will answer. Instead of refuting, I bet you just ask more questions. I answer, you ask!
drpsholder 3 years ago
If u read carefully in my comments i refuted everything u said + ANSWERS + EXAMPLES + QUESTIONS!it makes easier to understand,right!If u have a machine that u do not know anything about,u need to know who the manufacturer(God) is,manuals/instructions(holy books) on how to assemble it together perfectly, an instructor(prophets) to teach u on how to operate the machine safely!of course religion r not machines anyway!just an example AGAIN..NOT A QUESTIONS!
syimang 3 years ago
If u have a machine that u do not know anything about,u need to know who the manufacturer(God) is"
Assuming it is God, when you just admitted you know NOTHING about it! SEE, that is ridiculous and not a refutation of anything!
Since we know NOTHING about it, it is just as logical to assume that unicorns manufactured it.
drpsholder 3 years ago
But that machine is already in front of us!Something or someone or some factory did designed & manufatured it!we shouldn't just assemble it without knowing anything about it.maybe it eventually works(because of yr own experiment & trial etc.)what makes u so sure it will run correctly as icollapsed?
syimang 3 years ago
But you don't know which factory? YOu don't know which God? Osiris, Ra, Vishnu, Pandu?
we shouldn't just assemble it without knowing anything about it."
But you said we know NOTHING about it!
drpsholder 3 years ago
we know nothing about the manufacturer! but that machine is in front of us already so we r the one who have to seek knowledge of God!it's nature for us to believe that in our little mind we r created from somewhere,something that is much more superior above us.what is it?so search for it,learn,study whatever religions there is in the world!
syimang 3 years ago
nature for us to believe that in our little mind we r created from somewhere,something that is much more superior above us.what is it?"
I don't know, but you better prove what you believe. That's what I have been waiting on for weeks!
drpsholder 3 years ago
manuals/instructions(holy books) on how to assemble it together perfectly."
You don't need a manual to tell you how to live. Just look around you, watch reality. You can SEE without ever being told by Quran that murder, rape, robbery is bad.
SEE, how ridiculous that is?? YOu can gather morals and ethics based on the society in which you live, not the religion you follow!
drpsholder 3 years ago
Again u r talking about crimes where every religions clearly condemned..again i repeat..morals & ethics differ from each society to another!i gave examples previously that some society think that their way of life is what they want them to be(gays,lesbians,free sex etc.)but other society say that they r morally wrong!for this argument they need to seek,search,study what & how religions deal with this!(rules & law of human nature)& religions want humans to follow the morals & ethics given by God.
syimang 3 years ago
Right, morals and ethics can be obtained thru society. Second, GAY is not morally wrong. You are born GAY, its not a choice.
Second, since all of these morals can be obtained by the society, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A GOD!!!!!!!!
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOU HAVE IT, but just can't let go of your religion!
drpsholder 3 years ago
1st-i don't think humans r born gay or lesbian.what makes them like that is because of the society u r talking about,their social life,influences around them(friends),pornographic resources,try to do something different/new from a normal sex.if u admit like 'i can't help it,i was born to have a relationship(sex) with a dog!'it is against human nature!2nd-again & again i stated that morals r different depends on society.Some SOCIETY say baby abortions r OK & some society aggressively against it!
syimang 3 years ago
NOPE, people are born GAY......believe it or NOT is up to you! It is NOT a choice!
drpsholder 3 years ago
instructor(prophets) to teach u on how to operate the machine safely!"
You learn by experience. People try to teach you, so you don't have to experience the bad. This happens in childhood and being taught by the parent.
The teaching of the child from right from wrong, since the adult has witnessed reality and KNOWS that murder is bad, this is normal and requires no belief in a God whatsoever.
drpsholder 3 years ago
Again u r talking about murder!but like i said before..some country or society stated that a murderer shouldn't be 'punish with death'.it's cruel! but some stated otherwise!which punishment r correct?Koran have answered that!some parents experienced from their childhood that porno,gays etc. r NOT wrong..that the problem.these will eventually create new society with new problems!some say it's ok to kill a baby in a mother's womb(abortions)!what do u think?again a question for u to answer!
syimang 3 years ago
some country or society stated that a murderer shouldn't be 'punish with death'."
DUDE, you are a MORON.
We are not discussing whether murder is punished with death. We are discussing that murder is punished.
Which punishment is correct? Depends on the society, MORON!
Quit thinking the Quran is the absolute correct, when it forgets about the other societies that have created viable punishments for crimes.
The more you deviate the more it shows you CAN'T accept what I tell you!
drpsholder 3 years ago
again..murder!is that the only example u can give?"
NO MORON. I said rape and robbery too!
SEE you don't READ, then claim I am wrong because you don't READ!
You are a MORON. When you can learn to be honest, we will continue, but not until then.
Dishonest brother!
drpsholder 3 years ago
Previously i refuted that 'morals' & 'how we live' did come from God through the live of prophets as an example for us humans because IF NOT..humans will blend/invented/modified it according their own personnel & society needs & i explained why & started to asked u what if...!which disturbed u i guess!humans r fragile & weak to temptations,lust etc.we r not perfect,we make mistakes so we need instructions/guides(holy books) & examples(prophets) from God(unless we think we r too perfect).
syimang 3 years ago
humans will blend/invented/modified it according their own personnel & society]]]]
EXACTLY, but SEEING and KNOWING that murder is bad is gathered from reality, not a BOOK!
Their OWN personal society tells them that murder is bad. Watch reality. YOu can also gather that rape is bad. Robbery is bad.
YOu don't need a holy book to tell you about reality!!!!
drpsholder 3 years ago
again..murder!is that the only example u can give?oh yes..rape & robbery too!every humans knows that it is a sin,crime,bad etc. but religions r not talking about crimes only!it is much more than that!in case u forgotten i stated before that islam talk about marriage,social,economics,trade,society,law,how to dress,society etc.U always make me repeating my statements again & again!seems like u r playing twist & turn here!the REALITY is why there r still crimes everywhere in the world & increasing?
syimang 3 years ago
we r not perfect,we make mistakes so we need instructions/guides(holy books"
AGAIN, no you don't. Watch reality!!
drpsholder 3 years ago
YES..watch reality & ask yrself this questions why r these crimes increasing everyday?the modern & freewill we r,the more we realize that crimes r rising too!why?(i ask this previously but i didn't get the answer).r we building a society that create criminals?(again..question without answer).why do humans rape,murder etc.!because they r evil!why they have evil hearts in them?questions..no answer!does religions teach them?i don't think so!all religions teach good things!
syimang 3 years ago
Why is crime on the rise???"
Is it on the rise today compared to ancient times???
I mean why was crime on the rise in ancient times?
I wonder if I will get an answer?
drpsholder 3 years ago
In other words, brother!
Prove that we CAN'T watch reality and gather that rape is bad.
Prove that we CAN'T watch reality and see that murder is bad.
Prove that we CAN'T watch reality and see that greed is bad.
Prove me wrong!
drpsholder 3 years ago
Crimes can be watch by reality(i never deny it)but WHY it happen & how can we deal with it?1st-we need to punished this criminals to educate/remind others not to do crimes!but which punishment is suitable?2nd-need to analyze the criminals to find out why it happened(childhood bad memories,influence by friends,family,community,society etc.)3rd-preventions!how to prevent crimes!Islam have these steps for humans to deal with but not just for crimes!
syimang 3 years ago
how can we deal with it?"
HAHAHA Don't do it, you SEE what happened!
drpsholder 3 years ago
a muslim not even want that type of this women on their street & would never dream of touching her!"
WELL, if a Muslim would never touch her, then what is problem with her choice in NOT having any clothes on? NO MUSLIM WOULD TOUCH HER!
Even though NO Muslim would ever touch her, you think its wrong for HER to decide not to wear clothes, which is free will that religions say was given by God.
drpsholder 3 years ago
U didn't get me!YES it is her choice(free will)!but the argument here is whether in a human sane mind she should do that?if a couple having sex out in the open,do u think parents would let their kids to watch?if u think it's their free will,AGAIN i would say..OK..BUT ask yrself what kind of society r we trying to build here?base on atheism?Yes,God give us free will,freedom of speech/expression etc but God wants believers to use it WISELY as God put us humans above animals & even angels!
syimang 3 years ago
stumang, what I have gotten from you is the same thing from Drpsholder, 1: You're both fools and 2: You both are ignorant.
1: Please provide proof that a book was modified BEFORE you claim it is. The only modification I can think of is where they removed god's name from the bible. This was corrected by the "Jehovah's witnesses."
2: Law is mentioned in the bible... What do you think a sin is... Also god set a rule called "An eye for an eye" Also he set specific rules in the first 3 books.Read on
CyanProductions 2 years ago
(read other comment first)
3: Not ALL Christians follow the same "I'll do it now and be forgiven" Attitude. This isn't a modification it's a miscommunication. Jesus didn't give us the right to murder who we please because we will be forgiven. He simply died so when we do mess up we are forgiven. If you say "All Islam believes the same thing" Then by that thinking all of you should be in jail for being terrorists. consider that. Continued in new post...
CyanProductions 2 years ago
(Read other 2 Comments first)
4: If Islam was truly gods word why didn't he tell people to over throw the people modifying it? Or better yet, why didn't he wipe out all the Christians and Jews? On top of that why is Christianity more popular then Islam? Lastly why do more Islamic people convert to Christianity then Christians convert to Islam?
You see I believe that god is all powerful, The "Holy spirit" Is his power, and his son was the ultimate sacrifice. Read next post....
CyanProductions 2 years ago
(Read other 3 posts first)
You see I don't believe we worship the same god... No I don't I believe your god is made from 75% Pieces of my god and 25% of the ego of a mad man. A man who hates women and all that is truly right.
You see unlike you book mine doesn't name the enemy, My god couldn't do that or the name would change and people would fall from grace trying to find it. So he warned the only possible thing he could have. Continued in a new post.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
My God and your God, The God of all that exists!! The One Only God, our Lord! our Creator! has revealed who the enemy is, and I will share this knowledge with you and enlighten you with the True and Unchanged, preserved revelation of God, the enemy is:
" Lo! the devil is an enemy for you, so treat him as an enemy. He only summoneth his faction to be owners of the flaming Fire." (The Holy Qur'an 35:6)
themoonlit 2 years ago
Beware of what you say, because if it's unchanged you would have to say in in the tongue it was written in, and I know you haven't read it in that language.
The truth of the matter is a person who wants to be with god can go through life knowing nothing about him yet still be saved. Why? Because regardless of which book is correct and which book is not, those people that made a attempt to follow their creator will be saved and in the end he will show us the correct way.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
As long as they don't insult God by saying there more than one God & by saying he has imperfect human features like being a father or he sleeps.
If you satisfy these 2 requirements and you wish to follow God yes your statement is true.
But you need these 2 requirements.
Peace,
simpleOgre 2 years ago
The bible never says god sleeps it says he rests which means he takes breaks. Being a father doesn't make him imperfect and when it was mentioned in the bible it is that because he is male and has created everything he is the father of all. Thus it is not saying he needed a woman to help him or anything to create it, it calls him the father of all things because we all come from him.
Also when the bible says "There are many gods" It doesn't mean they have any power "God" May have meant leader.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
OK, I accept the father definition. Because the word Rabb means the same thing. Which we use to call our lord. The sustainer
But the idea takes breaks is really not suitable for our lord. He doesn't need that.
Final thing I don't see anything wrong with your definitions as long as you won't give Jesus a special treatment in your definition.
Because "The father is greater than me and he is greater than all". (bible)
Peace :)
simpleOgre 2 years ago
Of course he doesn't need it but he can and that's the point. If he feels like taking a break or eating something I believe he can do so.
Jesus in my belief is his first creation, and he loves him very deeply which is why he is called his "Son". Jesus has power but isn't as powerful as the almighty lord. The Holy spirit from what I understand is his power.
Do I worship Jesus? No, not unless what certain Christians say is true and that he IS the almighty lord that came here in human form. Peace
CyanProductions 2 years ago
It seems you are between Judaism and Christianity.
What do u mean by Jesus is first creation?
If you are referring to John 1:1.
According to Qur'an whenever Almighty wants something he says to it to 'be' and it will be.
There is no limit to Almighty's power. The word 'be' is just representation of how great Almighty is and how easy it is for him.
He said for mankind 'be' and we were created.
Of course Adam was the first human.
simpleOgre 2 years ago
Rest or take a break mean:
Take a short break from one's activities in order to relax. If he needs to relax then he is incomplete.
Almighty's power is much greater look at yourself and you will the complex design. Look at the sky and stars. Look inside how we live.
When a body needs food that mean a body is incomplete and imagine what comes after eating.
If we didn't have the urge to survive and that food is the main reason for surviving we wouldn't ate ourselves.
simpleOgre 2 years ago
I mean the first thing the almighty god created was Jesus. He was the first being that was brought into existence by the almighty lord; and yes his power is limitless.
Just because you don't have to do something doesn't mean you can't. For instance I have to eat sleep and drink. The almighty god does not. But that doesn't mean he Cannot as he can do anything. When he rested I believe it was an example to humans so WE don't ruin our selves as we do have free will.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
Just because people enjoy stuff like drinking alcohol for example, even though it is not necessary for surviving the same think won't apply to Almighty because he is not imperfect human. He is more pure and powerful.
Just the idea to make Almighty similar to humans is very insulting.
All mankind kind is a sinner. Comparing Almighty to a man with similar desires is just too much.
simpleOgre 2 years ago
That is like saying because human's speak it is insulting to think the almighty does. Plus you counterdicted your self.
In your comment you said "whenever Almighty wants something he says to it to 'be' and it will be." WANTS being the key word here. If he wants to relax then so be it he will relax. And again there is not reason for us to be here because he is all powerful and can live by him self. According to this can we assume that perhaps he was lonely? Not saying he is but MAYBE he was.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
If Almighty wants to not create new creatures yes i don't disagree with that.
But if Almighty wants to relax which is a human action. Almighty wants to do a human action here is the insulting part.
Remember Angels were created before us. Our purpose is just to show how great the Lord is. He created us from scratch.
We don't know exactly how many creatures Almighty did create. How many universes are there.
The word 'time' might not even exists. It might have been used only for us.
simpleOgre 2 years ago
But didn't he technically invent the action of Relaxing? If he made humans to need rest then he would have created rest.
And yes Angels were created before us and I personally believe that Jesus was the first angel.
And yes there may be many creatures and the universe we exist in may only be a 3 dimensional area. The earth moves the sun moves the clocks hands move but nothing else moves.
Also note I do not say it to insult him but based on the given information I am wondering if he would
CyanProductions 2 years ago
I understand, this is essence of the truth seeker.
He invented many human (earth creatures) specific actions. Eating, sleeping, sexual activities and resting.
All of them to serve a purpose in human life.
Almighty can't do any of these actions because they don't suit his position. Almighty only do godly actions.
simpleOgre 2 years ago
But isn't saying he CAN'T DO these actions saying that he doesn't have all power? I can understand god not wanting to do actions but again perhaps he did it to set an example to humans. In Christianity the seventh day is holy because it belongs to the lord. And we must not labor on that day and even the lord him self supposedly doesn't work on that day for it is his. He may do what he wishes and because he is all powerful he could take away his own want. But maybe he doesn't want to. ;)
CyanProductions 2 years ago
It is same as saying a president can not go in public alone. He can do it but it would be dangerous for him to do so. Therefore, he can not.
I didn't try to imply God won't be able to do. He simply can't because it won't suit him and his position.
In Islam we have Friday but it is not for us not to work but for us to worship the creator and acknowledge his power Hence we have the Friday prayer. It is for us to remove our busy life style for a moment and pay attention to what is really important
simpleOgre 2 years ago
Well on the day of rest you're not suppose to work and you are suppose to worship the almighty lord. Still I don't think either of us will be changing each others views but it was nice talking to you and may god bless both of us so we do someday find the truth in what he wants us to do.
Peace.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
Peace :)
simpleOgre 2 years ago
Read other comment first.
God will not abandon those who wish to follow him.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
(Read other 4 posts first)
My god said there would be people who claimed to follow the same god as me, that they would stand there and tell me that they are a man of god but they are worshiping a golden calf that has nothing to do with the real god or very little if that.
So the argument we follow the same god is the same as if you said I followed the same god as a Hindu does. Sure they may have very close values but they are indeed not the same.
This is the truth.
CyanProductions 2 years ago
It is backwards. I have proven that knowledge in Quran was already known. Was it copied, borrowed, stolen, found, orally transferred?? We don't know, were not there, but we do know that this knowledge already existed.
So, if it was copied, then it may have come from same god, but it certainly proves the knowledge was already known, which means the Quran is no mircale for saying what was already known!!
SEE how you guys are. Will do anything to make your book look perfect...even lie!
drpsholder 3 years ago
Thumbs up and jazakallah for this video
vivalaverve2822 3 years ago 3
Thumbs up and jazakallah for this video, bro/sis...
seamr05 3 years ago
They don't like...things like... Usury (cuz take away usury from Jews... and they would be destroyed). Jesus human nature (take this away, and you take away the grip of religion on the world)...
What about Islam? are we Muslims really that arrogant as they say? Do we categorize people as either Muslim or Kafer?.
The answer to that... Lies within you. Read your Quran and don't ever let any one read it for you (always open it when you hear some one read it).
God bless us all.
Hellboysjd 3 years ago
ok the quran was the last book brought to earth
afggirls99 3 years ago
There is only ONE QURAN and it has been for over 1400 years. The Sunnis and Shiits believe in the same Quran, from my knowledge i believe the two tribes separated back when Muhammed(pbh) passed away due to a illness and Abu Bakr(pbh) was made the Islamic leader instead of Ali(pbh) which started a feud between different people. I read this from a biography of Muhammed(pbh), however it might not 100% accurate.
playerfromh 3 years ago
Thank you brother for making this video. We need more Muslims to speak out against Christian missionaries and their silly attacks. Allah has already told us this in the Quran. The jews and the Christians will never be satisfied untill we adopt their views.
xShariNgaN01x 3 years ago 4
may Allah bless u brother 1of the muslims u posted a good topic and it is logical and is not offensive and it is about the basic idea not about silliness,that is our need to talk about the basic ideas not about particular ones
again may ALLAH bless u and give u his forgivness and mercy and love and full ur heart with faith and we hope to recieve good and serious replies for this video
mohamed1muslim1400 3 years ago 6
"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful." Proclaim: He is the one and only God, God the absolute, the eternal. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And none is like unto Him. (Quran Ch.112 v. 1-4)
mcdus78 4 years ago 3
Mashallah so true allah akbar!
khaloodii 4 years ago
The video is so true but the other challenge remains on ; take the bible and all/any data available and make a chapter in Arabic or even 10 verses. That Quranic challenge was never taken by the ancient Arab poets , so what chance anybody else has? Quran was never proven wrong or inaccurate ever , it keeps on revealing scientific facts challenging every century. amazing living miracle and a proof that Mohammed (PBUH) is the last messenger from the creator -Allah.
binshamak 4 years ago
that was a beautiful piece. THOUGH i am not Muslim, I see the message of what the writer or creator of the video was saying. purely wonderful.
Bellaandkelly 4 years ago 2