Part 2 The Best of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Street Fighting

[ayotechie]

haha he really wants to punish that kid

[darius789818]

He should either show it without the gi or he shouldn't mention "he's hitting me and I grab him for a choke" On the street no one is wearing a gi,therefore he shouldn't show MMA/jiujitsu stuff wearing gi.

[LamTangGar]

@darius789818 No one wears a gi in the street but they do wear shirts and jackets which can be used to choke someone like you can with a gi.

[jeff61177]

arm locks are great...until someone bites you.

[brottarnacke]

@jeff61177 It is done completely differently in self defense compared to in training. If you do it correctly, he will never have the time to bite you before his arm already is broken. In a fight, you never do the armbar unless you get his arm cleanly and can break it right away. You never go for the armbar and then try to pry his arm out and straighten it the way you do in training, that will give him time to bite you. If you do it from the guard and you don't get his arm right away, you..

[brottarnacke]

@jeff61177 ..abandon the armbar instantly and go for a sweep instead, if that doesn't work, you go back to the guard. If you do an armbar from mount, you punch the living hell out of the guy, until he gives you his arm, then you punch him some more and don't sit back for the armbar until you are positive that you'll be able to break it the moment you apply it. Then he won't have time to bite you.

The armbar for the street is a method of instantly breaking his arm, nothing else.

[jeff61177]

@brottarnacke AH plans, they always work so well in fights huh? Too bad I know BJJ and I would know when you have me in position for an arm bar. the fact is BJJ guys suck at punching. so it always comes down to the more skillfull and dedicated fighter. NOT WHAT STYLE YOU PRACTICE.

[brottarnacke]

@jeff61177 No plans at all, just do things correctly.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 so the fuck what. he bites you and you get some stitches and disinfectant, and thats only if he can bite through the clothes your wearing. You break his arm and he will be in thousands of times more pain than you as well as in need of mandatory quick medical attention to stop it from forming a clot- which can go the heart and cause death. Or just rendering his arm permanently disabled.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 You can't say if someone bit you you wouldn't be like, WTF? Thats all it takes, I'm out of your arm bar and coming for your eyes, throat, groin, and temples.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 @jeff61177 No i wouldn't be like WTF? and your basing your safety on the assumption that they would be. i study BJJ you can check my profile. people don't just let go of armbars cus you bit there leg. its not magic. please don't start the youtube -fu eyes, groin, throat crap because nothing to say BJJ practioners can't & wouldn't use that. cept we'd do it from dominant position. the foul tactics are nothing compared to good technique. especially if YOU don't know those techniques.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 Foul tactics are the way to win. which makes them the best tactics in a life and death situation, you sound like a typical brainwashed meathead. People rarely enter combat mutually, are rarely of the same weight. etc. Your whole mma bs is based on even odds one on one. try lay and pray when the guy your on top of has friends with him, big mistake. I would never square off with an attacker, I would lure him into a position where i could either escape or seriously injure him.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 ok now let me explain to you why your wrong. MMA is the absolute most effective realistic way to train for actual combat because it allows you to actually train in all areas of combat with full resistance the way you will actually use them. when was the last time you actually "trained" all those foul tactics? not likely. if you are attacked your brain shuts down the part that does reasoning and goes into what your most trained to do in that situation.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 since you can't actively train the foul tactics they are a reasoning response not a auto pilot response. MMA makes you train to fight in all areas so those responses will activate and you "KNOW" they will work. not to mention all the physical conditioning that comes to being a good MMA fighter that is highly over looked. My idea of self defense is based in what works and what realistic happens. yours is based on your youtube-fu assumptions bout how you "think" you'll react.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 also if you knew anything about MMA you'd know that UFC 1-15 had no rules or weight classes. those same foul tactics you believe will end the fight so much didn't work against good wrestlers and JIujitsu fighters. why? because in fight you don't have the time to think about how you will react and do what your trained or most accustomed to do. this is why MMA fighters fight so well. why would someone do a lay and pray in a street fight? do you know any way of training for 10 guys?

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 Yawn, UFC is a SMALL group of hand picked fighters. You know what else didnt happen in UFC 1-15? about a million things but everyone seems to think that what happened in those couple of tounaments is a standard by which to judge every fighting style. Are you really that nieve? Yes, I know exactly how to train for 10 guys, it's called running. because if they cant catch you, you survive, and win. UFC and WWE have ALOT in common.its not fixed, but def over managed.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 and the final responce if your foul tactics were so useful there would be no reason to train at all. but obviously that aint the case. If you trained instead of trying to bash what you don't understand you'd get better. heres a question. if a street fight is so many billion times dangerous then an MMA match then that means random people would be able to go into mma and clean house. but that was never the case. so how do you think you can do what is MORE dangerous?

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 WRONG. I do train, realistically. For 15 years. I actually do jiu jitsu as well. I dislike MMA meatheads because they do not understand the reality behind martial arts. The goal in any real fight is survival, not a tap out, not a KO, not a trophy. If you survive, you win. Wether you talk your way out or runaway or kill the opponent. Which is why random people cant go into mma and win. I agree with you that you need to train, but realistic.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 yea im highly doubtful of the jiujitsu thing when your idea of an armbar being no match for a stupid bite. training at any good gym will require you to train with tons of people regardless of size and weight for your fights. the good krav i've seen is just MMA with the use of more scenario based training, and the shitties krav is just scenario based training without giving people any actually real fight backup. the idea of enough damage just to escape is not always practical.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 Think whatever you want. but If I bit you and you were not expecting it, you WOULD flinch, I have done it a few times in prcatice to demonstrate that point. You will flinch, lifting your leg and releasing the pressure on the arm bar. Sure you might be able to train yourself to ignore it, but you would have to train that, and you dont. when you use pressure points and strike vital areas you you absolutely will be taken aback, dont try to be macho and say you could take it. you can't.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 if you bit me and i was not expecting it my gut reflex would be to fall backwards which torques the armbar more. your not the first to come up with that idea nor the first to have it refuted. it'd be more practical for you to learn some BJJ and learn to avoid an amrbar or see it coming. not to mention you make the assumptions i'm wearing shorts. if i'm in jeans or dickies good luck getting enough flesh to hurt. it will be more of a hard pinch. compared to your breaking arm.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 so whats more realistic training under full resistance witth movies you will use against people who aren't holding back while doing a very limited rule set just for training sake. while also fighting for long amounts of time even though you actually will fight for much less. OR training in drils of highly over emphases foul tactics that you can't train with your opponents on to full resitance or spar with. you should research what happend when judo fought jiujitsu fighters in 1800s.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 I cant even understand your last post. I think you are asking me how i would train foul tactics. I admit I have never gouged someones eyes or ripped out a persons throat. but we train accurate striking tech's and we train full speed full power. If you can punch someone in the eye you can poke em in it too. these things can be trainined using safety gear. Why do i need to read about judo and jiujitsu in 1800 when I can read about krav-maga and police officer safety in 2010. no trophies.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 i think your misplacing martial arts with self defense. self defense is indeed about survival but every martial arts goals are different, and how they go about them. i woudln't consider capoeria a martial art purely about survival. self defense is more about knowledge of what to do in situaitons and making good choices WAY more then fighting. however when a fight happens the same stuff that happend in UFC 1-15 and vale tudo is what sees people through, not the dreaded bite.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 vale tudo and UFC 1-15 were the biggest martial art wake up calls ever & fact is people still don't want to believe them. the same results happend in the same format with people ranging from tons of different weights and skill sets- same as real fight. & certain outcomes were always constant. its practically the scientifc method. sure shit can happen but if you can't fight in fights with few rules and gurantee of 1 guy, what makes you think you can fight more or worse on the street?

[pedro90]

@pedro90 also from study health in school do you know how many illnesses you can contract from biting someone. do you really want to have God knows whos blood in your mouth. I sure as hell don't. while i admit MMA based training doesn't cover everything i never said it did. but people who train in its delivery format are consistently able to handle themselves better then those that don't. and foul tactic are deff over hyped in the self defense community. respectfully.- Daniel

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 If it means my life, I dont care who I bite as long as I don't die from some meathead at that minute. You are not getting my point. Why am I arguing with you about stuff you dont understand? Training is good, but the right training is better. Foul tactics are played down to further MMA's rep and sport identity. they are extremely useful in a real situation. MMA trains you for tournaments, thats fine, but why train in a martial art if you cant defend yourself in the real world?

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 no foul tactics are played by youtube fu people who never or hardly train but need to say something after watching videos of there favorite style being destroyed by someone who has been in MMA for year. its hard enough to hit someones in they head when there moving or blocking but you think your gonna be able to gouge an eye? it comes from a blind faith assumption that people have about what they "think" they can do versus what they actual will register as a responce in a fight.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 let me ask another thing. if after all the years of hard training you were under all you have to show for against someone is the biting and eye gouges you "think" will work as easy as you want. what does that say about your training? is it really effective? in combat your brains reasoning and thinking is turned off. and you do what you have done in this situationt he most. if you have never trained to actually do those foul moves they will not activate. its NOT as easy as punching.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 ok dude your really starting to give yourself away here. I never said "all I have" is biting. I know grappling and striking and small joint manipulation as well as take downs and throws. I train in Krav Maga. I completely disagree with you about your brain shutting off in a fight, you train so that dosnt happen and moves come easier to you. I DO train those "foul" moves. I dont actually stick my fingers in someones eyes. but I punch to the eyes n throat with protective gear on.Get it?

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 i don't care if you do disagree. doesn't mean your right. in a fght your brain goes into autopilot and does what its trained to do not picking and choosing moves. so unless you start training these foul tactics full force with resistance they will NOT be first responce. just because you punch someone in the head doesn't mean you can rip an eye. how stupid does that sound. if you are indeed a cop woudln't that be illegal for you to use while detaining someone anyway?

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 you just think they were because thats what youve been told. real people dont become professional fighters. real martial artists train for they day they will need to survive an attack, not for their next fight in the ring. UFC does not proove anything except the best techniques to win in a ring against one opponent of equal weight and size on a nice comfy matt. YAWN

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 see i've dealt with people like you before. "oh MMA guys aren't real martial artists. bullshit. martial arts has been steeped in competition since its birth. pankration being what many historians believe to be the first was for the arena and they "still" competed. So your telling me when Keith Hackney fought emmanuel yarbrough that they were equal weight and size???? weight classes weren't even implemented until ufc 15. so for 15 competitons it was no rules and any size. try again

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 and you just think MMA fighters aren't because you don't like the fact many systems were put to shame. have you ever seen an attack? minus the weapons training. most attacks happen by people drunk or high trying to act tough. and do you know what a fight looks like? a MMA match. oh so MMA fighters can only fight on mats against same weight? tell roger huarta watch?v=q9JpeKKBScA your argument is invalid :) i guess the army only trains for sport too. watch?v=i6yJ_-urZxY

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 3 rules my friend, 1 know who you are talking to 2 know what you are talking about 3 never loose your cool. follow these or like now you start to sound stupid. No one was put to shame by MMA except a few fighters who thought they were better than they really were. I am a Police officer, I think its safe to say I have been in more real fights than you. MMA fights are not real fights, they are sport fighting. real fights are ones where a ref is not there to save you.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 Training for 3, 20min rounds against one opponent, while good for your fitness and health, is not realistic. it makes you real good against one opponent who is roughly your size and weight and thats it. Krav Maga trains you for many different situations, multiple attackers, and weapons. And not okinawan weapons from 200 years ago real weapons like handguns, knives, clubs. We train on sand, in water, in stairwells and on concrete. Always stay humble, cockyness is a sure sign of weakness

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 when Jigoro Kano's JIujitsu fighters fought traditional Juijitsu fighters in 1800 is team of 20 one 19/20 matches and 1 draw. why? because his fighters trained the actual way they would fight & sparred constantly with the moves they used in judo. but the jiju fighters relied on the moves that were sooo dangerous they could neve be sparred with. in such there brains didn't register them as responces under pressure. so they lost. same as everyone else who thinks that way bout fighting.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 thats a nice example but it works both ways. You never train with the possibility of severe damage so you would not react under pressure. once again this was in a SPORT type event. not real fighting. Tournaments are not real life.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 let me ask you this if a a MMA fighter trains by being hit constantly and under high pressure to put his body in great shape to fight and by fighting in all ranges of combat to the peek of his condition. how do you think some dude who knows some eye gouges that he nas never put into practice will react. you fight the way you practice. I don't think some drunk ass hole is taking down anderson silva. same as some tkd blue belt beating mike tyson. there fighters. they know how to fight.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 I do train biting. and I do train vital pressure points. AND on concrete in stairwells, on sand, and even a few times in water.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 1.) learn the science of actual combat before you try to discredit things. 2.) know the history of soemthing before you try to bash it ( ufc 1-15 having no rules or weight class) 3.) learn how people actually react in self defense scenarios not what you believe you'll do or you want to do. 4.) don't assume that people are somehow not martial artist or less of martial artist because they enjoy competition. 5.) stop contradicting yourself. mr wingchun, xingyi, krav maga robocop. :)

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 ok let me explain this to you because you obviously think that because you saw it on UFC it MUST be true in all other cases. I once saw horse, kick a bear, the bear ran away. I guess horses are better fighters than bears? I once saw a kid that knew only gymnastics completely dominate a kid on the wrestling team, i guess gymnastics is the superior fighting system? UFC is 1 example, marketed to an audience, you would believe that since coture beat Toney, boxing cant beat MMA, retarded.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 yes your argument is indeed retarded. MMA is not a style of martial arts. its a training format. the training format is what is superior. what we have seen time and time again from not just UFC but vale tudo as well. is that highly trained people who train to compete with very few rules do exceedingly better then those who don't. or just argue they train for "teh streetz" not the styles. so i'd say any martial arts that offers high octain competition is preparing you better.

[jeff61177]

Dude you are one of those guys that just wont get it, Dont talk to me.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 hmm yet i see you doing wing-chun forms. but i don't get it? so your telling me your partners allow you to bite into them full force while they are activity trying to resist? doubtful. if you are indeed an officer it makes little since why you train to do that anyway seeing as your job is to detain. i train with 2 officers at are BJJ gym and they learn the techniques to control the suspect enough to detain and for help to arrive. So i don't see how krav fits into that.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 you dont get it, i understand. I train to survive, you train to win trophies. dont think you are prepared for actual combat. sure, you might be better off than people who dont train, but you dont train realistic. I train wing chun, xingyichuan, jiu jitsu, and recently i have been getting into Krav Maga because the base I am stationed at has an instructor here. I really dont feel the need to proove anything to you, you obviously feel the need to proove yourself. why? lacking, insecure?

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 you train to fight people who don't understand how to fight to begin with. then argue that the reason your buddies who have fought in the cage kick ass is just because you havn't trained for it.you consider, thai boxers, karatka, judo, and boxing people those who have not trained? cuz that seems highly stupid. im proving something to you? let me ask you who is the one who is trolling my videos, who is the one listing all the training they have and there status to back them up. not me.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 what i don't get is how you my techniques are too deadly people are still being able to function i normal society after your training format has been proven wrong. you rely on techniques that you have never actually done but think becuase sensai said "you could do this" in this situation that means you somehow will. do you believe a BJJ fighter doesn't realize he can eye gouge from mount? theres nothing wrong wit traditional either as long as they train realistically and hard.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 lol i don't train realistically. yes because being punched in the face thrown around, knee'd and every technique you can "ACTUALLY do in practice is somehow unrealistic to what actually happens. you must have not watched the army combatives video i sent. yes its much better to just do demo's and drills of all the ultra deadly techniques you know in katas. MMA is not a style its a training format. it comes down to if your format actually works and makes you good.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 200 years ago? and your going with that? excuse me if i laugh. but its not 1800 anymore. and they were fighting in a tournament.

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 you see this is the problem with you "teh streetz" martial artists. this idea that the fact that the replace the mat with pavement now means that everyone is gonna become a badass. your "oh it was a tournament" doesn't mean anything. they were allowed to use what ever technique the new even the "oh so deadly ones" and failed. why? because like you they thought they could pull them off so easily though they have never tried them and couldnt. it was not a tournament,

[pedro90]

@jeff61177 people need to really stop relying on the idea that because bites, gouges, throat shots, etc are illegal in MMA, that they are somehow now super effective. they are in no way shape or form the be all end all of fighting. if they were as effective as thought nobody would need to bother training. Don't assume that because your opponent is trained that he won't go for those movies or know how to counter them either or that they will stop the fight because they seldom do. one thing wont.

[jeff61177]

@pedro90 MMA needs to stop claiming that they are a realistic self defense system. In the real world people rarely fight one on one, in a nice soft open area. there are usually weapons involved and everyone is not the same weight/size etc. Even more rarely do two people both initiate a fight on even ground in mutual combat. You bet your sweet ass if I punched you in the throat or gouged you eyes in the first seconds in a fight it would make ALL the difference. your training just proved useless.

[Gunyo]

I'm liking this! :-)

[utarian7]

this is all fuckign gold. definitely ahead of it's time!

[mandikum]

1:16 what about hits to the liver?

[sleepykid156]

if u notice, the guy's left arm is free and the right side of his body's exposed, your livers are on your left side.

well i guess u can still hit the rib cages tho

[TheeOz]

The liver is on the upper right-side of the abdomin

[sleepykid156]

well look like i need to get back to my highschool biology class then xD

[flyfishhunterga]

the liver is on the rights side

[sleepykid156]

like i said.. look like i need to brush up on my higschool biology xD

[chancefarquhar1]

wait but if ur in a street fight and u put somebody in an arm bar, if they tap out ur gonna get up and theyre just gonna come back at you. in a street fight wouldnt you just keep the submission hold until they either pass out or you break a bone that way they cant attack you?

[charliemurphyslaw]

tapping out is only there to keeep athlets safe in sport jiu jitsu and mma. When the armbar is applied you arch your hips to bend the arm backwards. Once it gets to the point of disscomfort the person in a jiujitsu match or mma taps. But if you are in a street fight you would just keep extending the arm as far as you can breaking the arm. Tapping is for training and sport nothing more.

[toolfan92]

break the guy's arm. did that once before.

[chaueter1041]

Please remember......these are sort of old?

Martial arts evolve.

Jiu-Jitsu evolves.

............keep training, mastery is an illusion.

-Chris Haueter

[yeee941]

Well if you are mounted high enough yo could dive through all those punches,any submission can be pulled off if you train hard enough and if its fast enough,you need that explosive ness. a Arm triangle is good to,but no smarter than a Gi Choke

[baywest]

2:50 to 3:30 lol. He was doing that forever. The guy on the bottom is probably like "ok...we get the point now"

[yeee941]

lmao! Yeah really

[pkhernandez89]

good video

[mkpalandir]

Realistic video... great job

[Greatsocratesghost]

Was the music there before? It's cool bt maybe out of place?

[jjdieguez]

so why are you wearing a gi?

[brottarnacke]

@jjdieguez Beeeecause he's training BJJ?

[samurai184]

thank you for posting!! nice

[bocaramsmma]

True,very nice.

[bogdaiki]

Great realistic videos and jiu-jitsu stile. Excellent!