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  • I find if funny just watching the extras dancing in the background non stop.

  • What? He's not 18!!! He looks like he's 24 at least!

  • I love Charlie texting: IT's not okay how you treat Christian! <3

  • ok rafael, since you 18 you can come at my house anytime ;)

  • Am I rejoicing in the fact Olli is gonna hook up with another man. Hell No. Two wrongs don't make it right. Seems he going to join the Christian club in f**king away his problems. So in order to try to get over each other they need to shove their d**ks into other people........way to go guys, way to go!!!

  • Vielen dank May - oh god how much more Christian & Theresa do we have to see :( - hopefully this is the last of it - I like the new dynamic of Majorca and I like Timo & Emilio - seeing Olli with Rafael was tough - he's nice enough but he's not CHRISTIAN!!!! 

  • Can u make this with english subtitles PLZ ??????? I NEED to know way their saying

  • @Coostar465 There are English subtitles. You need to press the small cc button under the video to enable closed captions. If closed captions aren't working for you, check the info in the description box or watch the videos with embedded English subtitles on my other channel MercuryMay02 (see link in the description box).

  • I think you should move him to French, and say to christian it's my lover

  • This is the first time I've smiled and actually laughed during VL, in a long time. Go Olli.

  • knfFLKDJSADFASsdj WOW This is sickening!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Olli & Rafael is a better pair than Christian and Theresa, but i still prefered Christian and Olli and I hope that they will be back together soon

  • I like Christian's face more than Olli's, but Olli has the hotter body.

  • Rafael isn't my type, I still prefer Christian over him. I hope in the future this will work out.. somehow.. after this screw up VL writers have made...

  • Rafael is really hot ...

    i laughed at the way he and Olli looked at each other on the beach hahaha

    

  • Way to go, Olli!

  • BTW, olli.....that suit? on that party? :S

  • O.O RAFAEL IS HOT! i like him ;)

  • 1:01 who is blond boy?

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  • It's 4:08 am right now, I just can't sleep cause I don't want Christian and Oliver'r relationship to be over. I'm so pissed off right now :(

  • the blond guy looks like Lucas from Lucas and Edwin storyline

  • I wonder why christian is mad ... honey u did this on ur self once u betrade our Olli

  • Ugh. This is just making me mad.

    I don't see this getting better. and honestly I almost don't even want it to anymore after how much they've both screwed up.

    If they do get back together it better be GOOD.

  • i don't mind Olli enjoying with the other person but i become red seeing christian kissing the girl.....

  • At 2:51 does Rafal have the largest feet I have ever seen in a living human being or what?

  • when Olli opened his eyes and i saw the place i was like : what the hell happened to this place war world tow . but deep deep inside i was happy for him cuz he had a good ...... with hot looking guy . go for it Olli

  • xchè far finire così una storia così bella!! Il matrimonio..l'adozione..la passione tra loro...la grande complicità e poi questa fine straziante noooooo....non è possibile!! Fateli riappacificare..dai è stata una prova ma riuscita male!!!

  • Loving the Spanish setting :p

  • ill tell you another time: and btw im actually married!

  • GO OLLI!!! with ass like that you can get any guy you want!!! bring one home and piss Christian off!!! lol

  • 1:43: am I just imagining it? or did Rafael actually slap Emilio's butt just before they all ran to jump in the water?

    It certainly didn't look like a typical friendly slap on the back, considering how Emilio flinched afterwards, LOL!

  • I hate it!

  • Oh My, @3:32 for a split second you can see just how wonderful Thore's buns are through is pants!

  • I don't think that's the same Timo that Olli slept with in the beginning of Chrolli's story.

    MercuryMay, is that true? or am I wrong?

  • @ShawnActor You're right. It's not the Timo we know from back then. This is a completely new character (and a new actor). This Timo is Arno's grandson.

  • Lol I'm loving the dancing in the background

  • Am I the only one that remember that Timo slept with olli in the very beginning of this story line? go to nana's channnel, christian and oliver sub english part 2 and there he is!! :O

  • *The* moment I saw Rafael I already knew what was gonna happen. ANd you know what.... I just don't care anymore. Chrolli seems broken beyond repair, so I say... go for it .-.

  • @sagischare At least he's cute

  • @Anoxiel He's freaking beautiful! Wish he was a regular cast member to comfort Olli :(

  • Is it just me, or does it seem kind ironic of that bisexual Oliver can't handle that Christian does a mistake by ending up in bed with a woman? Honestly, I could just up and slap Olli in the face, point at him and say "NO! SHAME ON YOU FOR BAD BEHAVIOUR!"

  • @gwenpookie, Ok I'll buy your explanation for soap characters. But if that's the way real people try to get over relationships...no wonder there is sooooo much dysfunction out there in the world today. Nobody needs another person to make them feel happy. That is something they should do for themselves so that when they finally DO get that special relationship, they are able to give as much happiness back.

  • 18??? robbing the cradle eh Olli? lol yes he's of age I know...just was not expecting someone so young. But a distraction is a distraction.

  • yum yum gimme someeeee

  • omg new man meat mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • One question, so Olli still in Germany right? because I love how u just start speaking German with a guy who looks Latin...just saying...

    Second, don't u just love Gaydar,,I love how Gay men can spot each other a mile away...now if only that came in straight, not crazy, hard working, faithful, no drama radar for Women...I would be a happy woman.

  • WOW... I SEEM SUPPORTING OLLIE WITH RAFEAL TOO! I really wouldn't mind if ollie flirt another guy. :DD

  • hotness hahahahaha some cock for ollie ait about time hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • so this is this the end then? after everything they are just gonna fell apart? so sad....this is just too sad! I just hope that at least we could see them in good terms!

  • what a mood killer,"your boyfriend probably never wore anything like this"LOLRafael and Olli are so beautiful together.

  • Love these boys to death but I wouldn't mind Ollie flirting with someone else...they need this time apart to get things straight with eachother and in their heads (Christian esp!) and let the writers know that if their reunion is not soon and it's not EPIC I will go to their houses and piss everything they love!!!

    (Jo when did you get so ripped?! *drooling here*)

  • @LaLila2011 very weird indeed

  • It would seem more normal if Christian finds a male subsitute for Ollie and discover how much he actually misses Ollie. How else can he compare Ollie to any love interest.

  • @makuatane I second your idea 100%!! It's Christian is the one who should find a substitute then realize that Olli is better than any man or woman in the world, not Olli. Oh well...I just hope they don't drag this separation too long!

  • How come nobody speaks Spanish in Majorca ????....weird.

  • olli and christian need some time a part from each other to found out that they can't live without eachother it's simple as that just to learn how to forgive !!!!!!!!!

  • And see, everyone didnt want Rob with Oil and now what....

  • I just WANT Olli and Chris TOGETHER !! NOW!!!

  • Go Olli.....

  • i went away for only 5 days and now i get such a video? way to go Olli! get distraction you deserve it and rafael is hot as is Emilio and Olli himself..i won't start writing about him shirtless b/c i wouldn't be able to stop

    also Christian you don't like bras? then call Emilio he does not wear any (is it just me or does he seem closeted^^ -gues i am fantasizing)

    ps: i love charlie but that text message was out of line

  • Oh my god Olli is ripped these days yummoh. Thanks for uploads.

  • Is it just me or does anyone think Emilio is cute? Heh

  • @laieafwaea I also think Emilio is cute.

  • Why is everyone aginst Christian?

    He reacts to stress in a another way as Oliver.

    Oliver want space and lonelyness, and Christian needs comfort and some to hold.

    Everyone seems to have forgotten the beginning of this trouble.

    Oliver went behind Christian to get a new child the day after Lilly was taken away, perhaps not the same as cheating but I get Christians anger.

  • @MickeSalander Olli went behind to get a new child can never be an excuse for infidelity. Unless Christian has been waiting & searching for an excuse to cheat. Why there is still someone using this as reason to rationalise Christian's behaviour? so funny.

  • @MickeSalander How does infidelity alleviate stress? And if Christian wants some1 to hold, he should hold his husband. If Olli is not ready, considering all Christian has put him through by preying on his insecurities about the female form, Christian should be patient.

    Olli was cunning about having kids but he let no other but his spouse touch his body.

  • woooooowww verdammt oli!!! wooaahh dayumn :D hot hot hot! :D nice very nice (:

  • Please don't let this be a " I didn't use a condom scare for Ollie".!!

  • Thank god Olli finally Cheated..lol :D..I was tired of seeing Christian Cheating again and again.. This Rafael thing is Hawt...Bye Bye Chrolli..Welcome Rafolli.. :) (Just for a change)

  • I didn't enjoy none of the kisses, the kiss with Christian and that Theresa, I hated it more than anything, just as much as I hated the kiss between Olli and Rafael, sorry but I'm one of those fans that still have hope in Christian and Olli getting back together! I'll be waiting for that day they get back together. Team Chrolli !

  • @ellen03100 Watching Chrolli's kisses before Christian's infidelity is the most enjoyable thing for us. But after Christian sleep around randomly with other women, I know Chrolli's kisses (if happened) will never be the same again. I will feel worse than watching a princess kissing a frog. It's like watching prince William (Olli) kissing a prostitute (Christian). You know how it feel?

  • @maxxliu But Christian regrets it, and he's using Theresa as a distraction just like Charlie said, coz Christian feels that he lost Olli forever, it's sort of obvious. I really think that once things turn around, things will be the same again, we will HAVE our Chrolli back and everyone will see them as the way we all did before. We just gotta have faith in those stupid writers!

  • @ellen03100 He can keep distracting himself as much as he likes, I am over him. I say thank God for Mallorca, because there's nothing in Duesseldorf that still keeps me interested.

  • @ellen03100 Can a broken-into-pieces Swan statue be fixed as totally the same as before?

    Please don't say 'everyone" will see them as the way we all did before, it's too idealistic. It's impossible. I'm sure many of us will see them in a different way after Christian's irresponsible, disgusting acts.

    Face the fact, somethings in life we just don't do it, not even once, which will place us in a point of no return & regret can't help. Of course, only people who cherish faithfulness will agree.

  • @maxxliu Maybe I'm just blinded by all of Christian's act, maybe I just see Christian and Olli as the way they were before, and a part of me just can't let go, a part of me just want them back together, and a huge part of me demands it. I's just that they've been through so much together and throwing it away would be a waste. Yeah, somethings in life, but this is a soap, everything is possible in it. Maybe the writers will bring them back in a way that everyone can see Christian like before.

  • I love the new cast member of Verbotene Liebe, that Marc Philipp is really cute.. I just can't wait for more Rafolli.

    and please people.. be unfaithful it's a bad thing, so please don't support this behavior,.

  • @GigolosILove I love how you are for Olli getting his freak on outside the marriage bed. Then u add the disclaimer about not supporting unfaithfulness.Lol

  • how long are they going to be doing this half in Mallorca business?

  • Well it seems that pretty soon it will be called Verbotene Liebe Rafael & Emilio. I can already tell where this is going.

  • To Be Honest,Normally I Would Be Upset That Olli Would Be Hooking Up With Someone Else Other That Christian.Yeah I Was Mad When Christian Hooked Up With Jessica.But I Cant Help But Smile When I See Olli & Rafael Kiss, Cute! Im Glad To See Olli Happy Again.Christian Really Hurt Olli & It Was Good For Olli To Get Away.Everyone Should Stop Pressuring Olli To Forgive Christian Right Away. Yes They Still Love Eachother But After What's Happened Lately, They Need A Good Long Break From Eachother.

  • I'm not interested in demonizing either Olli or Christian but I do feel like until Christian is able to take proper responsibility for his behavior with all this girls, they can never be a proper couple again. Maybe some viewers can just dismiss Christian making out with girls every time he's mad at Olli (or worse, waking up naked with them or having sex with them in Charlie's apt) but if I were Olli, I would NOT be willing to let it go so easily. Marriage is sacrifice and it's hard work.

  • is MendeZ not Mendes :)

    Btw, Olli looks hot there :D

  • @Pracaloid Actually, it is Mendes. I'm not making up the names myself. If you look at the 'Darsteller' section of the VL homepage, you'll see that Mendes is the name VL has chosen. Yep, I've wondered why they didn't call them Mendez myself, but it's not up to me to correct the name. ;)

  • @Pracaloid

    Mendez has spanish origin, more exactly galician origin. Mendes is the portuguese equivalent.

  • @deepdarkmidnight

    Sé que la terminación -ez es el equivalente a "hijo de" por lo tanto: Fernandez, hijo de Fernando; etc.

    No sabía que el portugués tuviera su variante o adaptación. Pero gracias por el dato.

  • I need to get to Germany, like now..... American guys are just not cutting up to how hot half of these guys are

  • rafael is hot. n young. go olli. you have the option n freedom to have fun with rafael!

  • Olli wakes up in some grassy almost naked with lots of empty bottles, then emilio comes out with a hangover and canot be found last night according to timo..and rafael is looking for olli? Hmmm.. What you think?

  • @fabiantadas lady? I think you're waaaaaaay too polite with that cheap slut who has absolutely no problem with having sex with someone who is married.

  • I like this esp. like a breath of fresh air. I'm glad to see Olli's smile again, beside, Rafael is so cute...

    Charlie act like a brainless aunt for sending that sms to Olli, she's got parkinson disease? Oh, Teresa is a mistress/prostitute material for being so no-moral (hook up with Christian knowing he's married) no wonder Chris look so excited each time they' ve sex since he has no moral too.

    Olli, hope you bring Rafael back & "do it" in the hallway, in front of Christian, that's the best.

  • @maxxliu Why's Theresa immoral? She's a single adult who had some sex. As far as she knew, Christian was available. He didn't act like he wanted to get back with Olli. Theresa didn't know what happened. She thought he had and EX girlfriend/wife. I may not like Theresa, but she did nothing wrong. She saw a cute guy and had some sex dates with him. Neither Dana nor Andi even told her what was up.

    Christian misrepresented himself AND had sex in Charlie's apt across the hall from his husband.

  • @PlatypusRising55 As far as I know, only singles are available. Can a person who's married but still available? In my point of view, a person who involves in someone else marriage either as a third party or just sex related before one divorce take place is already wrong & immoral. So I can't agree Teresa did nothing wrong.

  • @maxxliu Theresa isn't watching the show, How the hell is she supposed to know what Christian's status is? He didn't act like he was unavailable. In fact, he acted like his ring was just a decoration. He kept calling Olli his "ex" to her and didn't even acknowledge that he was STILL married until after he had sex with her. I'm not saying I like her but as far as SHE knew, Christian was single and available and just having "ex" issues. We, the viewers, have more information than Theresa.

  • Who are these people at the beginning of this part? I've never seen them... O.O

  • @AuroraBorealis1990

    It's like a parallel story to what happens in Cologne (was it Cologne?) setted in Mallorca, Spain.

    Yeah, some of them were in the show many years ago...

  • wow....it HAS potential. Gorgeous Olli!!!!!! and cute Rafael! ^___________^ *can't stop the wide grin.*

    and hmm...right now, I DON'T really care about christian. @_@

  • I love Nina Bott, i'm really glad She landed in VL =)

  • @Waterspirit07 I know! She is so pretty! and a good actress too!

  • Its really nice to see new faces me likey! also i dont know why people are still hung up on christian and oliver together they are both making use of their lives seperately and I for one is loving it!

    Let christian be christian and let Oliver be Oliver! just watch and enjoy and stop complaning.

  • I hate Christian and Charlie!

    I LOVE Olli and Rafael:-)

  • Olliiiiiiii..I have the same phone as you :P

    yayyy !!!

    We have a connection i tell you :D:D

  • it's high time olli shaved his beard ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡­¡¡

  • Yay Olli 

  • "Oh, come on, please. Who says I'm suffering?" did anyone else laughed about this pathetic lie? Christian we all know you are suffering like hell!! I was not able to watch while Olli kissed this jerk...I know he has every right to kiss any guy he wants but...aaaaaaaaaaarrrgggg I don't want him to kiss another guy!!!!

  • Christian stop that sh**, and find Olli. :/

  • Yaiks! Olli is so hot!

  • Yay to Olli having fun. I think there is still some remnants of Chrolli there, and we saw it again in this episode. It seems that Christian's default sexuality is straight but that Olli is still the love of his life.That's his dilemma to sort out,Olli shouldn't put his life on hold waiting for him to resolve it.

  • I wonder if Rafael is really a spaniard.. a spanish actor in a german soap

  • @101starwarsfan Marc Philipp (Rafael) is a German actor. He was actually a regular cast member of 'Marienhof', the DasErste soap that used to air right after VL and got cancelled. Verbotene Liebe got extended to 45 minutes when they cancelled Marienhof, hence the new Mallorca set and storylines.

  • go Olli...go Olli...go Olli...you deserve a hot young meat...enjoy!

  • I like Olli to be with a mature guy, not another boy.

  • Rafael is an angel! I get it. Sometimes a guy needs to feel that he is attractive and maybe that is what Oliver needs right now.

  • Sorry no matter how hot everyone seems to think Rafael is with Olli, I just can't picture him with anyone but Christian. Yell at me all you want...I just cannot do it!

  • @tammyvrba i agree but spice never hurt anyone now did it a little fun in arab sun cant hurt for now

  • @tammyvrba

    I agree with u a little...Not seeing Olli kissing Christian is hard, but...thats life...Olli is hurting and the best way to get over the hurt and the man that caused the hurt is to get under another one...

    Olli, needs this, even if its just for a while...just to fill happy and wanted. Even if its fake or temporary.

    Olli need to take a good looking man home and piss Christian horny ass off. Maybe then he will stop chasing the kitty and go back to the woody.

  • By the way, Olli is sooo gorgeous in this chapter !!!! ^___ ^

  • I don´t know but I guess that Christian wants women only in a instictive way . He is so dificult to deal that a girt with whom he could share his feelings or viewpoints is so farrrr away of his espectatives. I remember Nico try to build a relationship with him but they are not connected at all, out the physical relationship. The irony in this is Christian could share a life with Olli , but he need a women´s physical contact for some reason. It´s strange but i see the picture in that way.

  • @quixoticelo i am totally with you

  • Olli, you are one hot bastard. OW! What I would do if I had him...well, for starters, I wouldn't treat him how Christian treats him....As of right now, I could care less about Christian, he's dead to me. All I care about is Olli and that he's happy. And he and Rafael together are sexy as hell ;)

  • @prettyoddlove7 I love what you put and I couldnt agree more olli and rafael are sexy together..

  • Theresa is hot - and I say this as a gay man. I find her very sexy. LOL

  • @panto880 That explains why Christian is slept with her :)

  • Olli, don't go after stupid frat boys. Too below you, babe ;)

    And little Miss Slutty McSlutface needs to keep her whoring hands off Christian! >.< He doesn't even think about her unless she's all over him, tearing their clothes off. UGH!

    Okay, we'll make a deal. We can keep Jessica...if the slut monster goes!!!

  • I'm soooo happy to see Olli again, I feel like he's been gone forever lol

  • Jo is smoking HOT and I loved that kiss between olli and rafael about time that I saw olli happy again and I actually thought that kiss was hot. I have in fact lost respect for christian I dont like the character anymore and have no time for him and probably never will again, I like Thore playing him but I will always love olli no matter who he is with..and before you say it I am still a chrolli fan but there is nothing between them at this time..

  • Go Olli, Go Olli!!! Plus, He Is Gay & Cute ::)) Not as Cute as Christian. But, Well he now can have his Women!

  • how funny to think that in spain they all speak germain. that blond dude is hot.

  • @cyryac Just what I was thinking...the young locals might speak some English and the older folks some French. But, damn sure no German. Outside of Madrid and BCN, just Spanish....por favor.

  • @bigtop999 In the summer Mallorca is a British colony and a German colony Tourist come by the thousands. Somedays the airport on Mallorca has more air traffic than Heathrow. Anybody in the tourists areas who live from the tourists speak both English and German. Native Mallocans do not go to the tourist traps. German is more common in Mallorca than in Madrid. Native Mallorcan's speak a dialect of Catlan as well as Spanish.

  • @shenadoa ¡qué triste! Very happy that I never made it to Mallorca for the touristos.

    AND thus avoided the horror of seeing Germans dance....lol

  • @bigtop999 Do you live in the SF Bay Area? If you do, then you will know about the KOFY Dance Party on Saturday nights. I don't get the feeling that the those Americans know much about dancing either.

  • -.- i didnt want to see Christian having sex with that tramp.. phheeww that was so close

  • ohh c´mon teresa... thinking that your so gorgeous....

  • so where is this seaside resort in Germany or in Spain ? is this the famous Ibiza resort Olli loves ? oh just read the description Majorca ...ok, I can't believe that guy Rafael is 18 yo..Olli is robbing the cradle with that one...Hmm wonder if Olli will bump into Arno

  • lol is real chrolli fans taking this serious!

    first editing is so poor (not out the norm)-look for guy in pink shirt one min he is dancing with his friend then a women and so on (4.45 on wards)

    next how many coincidences can a soap have- Oli is now in a different country but still is connected to Arno. Christian by the amount of practice u know how to undo a bra. as may says Rafael: 18-year-old (yeah, right!), as well as the lame dancing at the poolside. vl Jo and Thore deserve better

  • the only thing left to make this stupid plot even worse was Olli hooking up with someone half his age...I think it is Ollis fault equally to push Chris away from himself.

  • @viv861982 Olli is 30, not mid-aged. An 18 year old is hardly half his age. It was just a kiss.

  • @PlatypusRising55 how do you know Olli is 30.. ?

  • @viv861982

    'Cause when it started Christian was 23 and Olli was 26, I think...

    And when they went to the cabins to spent time together they said 4 years had passed.

    It kind goes as if it was like in real time...

  • @Pracaloid ok so some time has past since they went to the cabins...perhaps a year or two..then olli is "almost" twice the age...

  • @viv861982

    No, no. I mean, when this whole storyline or Chrolli started they had the age I said at first.

    Then this cabin trip was actually like 4/5 years later. Was aired like around february this year, maybe. Don't really remember. I don't think that much time (a year or so) has happened since then...

  • @viv861982 Olli is 31~32 and the actor is 34~35. Olli has been on the show for a long time; there were multiple references to his age.

  • I wish Ollie have vacation in Venezuela, we have better beachs and goodlooking people........

  • Oh sorry I regret my words... i like this Mallorca switch... But the other words I won't regret...

  • Whats going on its like 2 shows mixed together with me only following oli and christian parts can someone explain this beach place how does it come into the show!

  • I really don't understand this switch.... but I don't understand VL after all... there must have been a whole bunch of new writers... who was the guy who was mad at Rob a year ago... Chris.. and who is now dating girls.... was it worth the waiting for 3 years and than they break up all of the sudden... I'm sorry but I kinda start hating Chrolli... And what the heck of all this switch to Mallorca with this bunch of new actors... Unbelieveable...

  • Wow Olli.

    Just keep your shirt off, like, all of the time.

  • One more thing, when did Jo become so beefy? He has always been in good shape but he's much bigger now than couple of years ago.

  • This reminds me of the episode where they broke the swan. In bed they were discussing about traveling together, maybe Iceland.

    Anyway this is how you do it. First you break up, then you have sex with someone else. Christian take notes.

  • @jaspersommerhalder yeah, I'm glad he's kissing someone else and I hope he continues to kiss someone else other than Christian. Leave Christian alone to find a real grown up partner.

  • I'm embarrassed for Olli being at that High School party, his hair never looked grayer next to those children.

  • ein toller Opa :D

  • I just don't get where the show is going with Christian. Every episode makes my love for him die a little more, which is sad when he was the reason I started watching this show. = ( I hope Olli didn't sleep w/that kid because two wrongs don't make a right... even though I wouldn't fault him for it after witnessing the horrific blasphemy that is Chrank (Christian/The Skank).

    Charlie = NUTTY AS A FRUITCAKE. She's the perfect example of the old saying "With family like that, who needs enemies?"

  • @kjmack33 I disagree. Charlie is their only friend. At least she keeps trying to bring them back together. Allo thru VL and the many story lines, Charlie has always acted in a moral way. She is not playing favorites but sees that Chrolli still love each other. She loves Chris as much as she loves Olli. She is not justifying what either one of them have done.

  • @Rumake I agree that Charlie has always tried to act morally in the past, but how is she trying to facilitate a reconciliation of Chrolli by allowing him to shag someone in her home, across the hall from where Olli lives & they shared their lives together? Or by reprimanding Olli when he needs to get away from it for awhile? It makes no sense to me. No, she can't tell him not to do it, but she could ask him to show some respect by doing it elsewhere. I'm glad she loves Chris but Olli is family.

  • @kjmack33 You shouldn't judge German sexual mores by your standard. It does not matter where Chirs has sex. And your holier-than-Thou attitude is just an example of bigotry.

  • @Rumake Seriously? I take offense at being called a bigot. What is a ridiculous charge to make when I have made NO comments EVER to support that. I have no clue what German sexual mores I'm judging other than addressing your comment. Just because I believe in the sanctity of a commitment doesn't make me holier-than-thou, nor does my belief that family comes first. I would think that anywhere in the world it's in poor taste to have sex almost on your husbands doorstep w/a person other than him.

  • @kjmack33 But you are the one who is expecting Chris to live up to your expectations. That is just what homphobes do. "I don't like the way you have sex, I expect you to live up to my standards and have sex they way I like it." 

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  • @Rumake How is it a example of bigotry to find it (rightly) distasteful that Christian had sex with a woman across from his husband's apartment? It's not about "how" or "the way" they had sex, it's the fact that they did it and then Christian acts all hurt and upset that Ollie wants nothing to do with him after the fact. If Chris still wanted to reconcile with Ollie, he would've had the sense not to have a fling in plain view of his ex-lover. I guess the reaction he wanted was "jealous".

  • @quixoticelo Your choice of the word, "rightly" is the source of your bigotry. That you find it distasteful is your personal opinion that I share with you. As to why Chris made it so obvious is an intersting question. And what did the writers want to convey? I wondered if Chris is deliberatley trying to hurt Olli for not forgiving him for an ALLEGED affair with Jessica. If they are good at their game, the writers will answer these questions when Chrolli gets back together.

  • @Rumake So I'm a bigot because I think it's distasteful that Chris had sex with someone while he's still married? Which is considered "cheating"? I would think that cheating is universally frowned upon, regardless of the gender or sexual orientation of those involved. This is what got them into this mess. You're entitled to your opinion -- I'm not attacking you...which actually would make me a bigot.

  • @quixoticelo Homosexuality is universally frowned upon. That does make the condemnation justified. I would think a more mature attitude about Chris's infidelity would be ...it happened, Olli and he have to deal with it, it is really not our place to condem either of them. To have an opinion about what they should or should not have done is, of course, fair game. Charlie has not condemed either one of them.

  • @Rumake But cheating is a choice - homosexuality is not. But that is another argument all together. And Chris woke up naked with someone else and a fuzzy memory. There is no guarantee that he slept with Jessica but there is no guarantee that he didn't. It's the fact that if the going gets tough, he ends up with someone else. Both Chris and Ollie have done their share of foolish things so I'm not picking a side -- I just commenting on what Chris is doing and how I think it is wrong.

  • @quixoticelo Ok