Peter Kreeft The Existence of God part 6 of 8 apologetics

[curiosityversusfaith]

John 14, 12-14: You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it

Mark 9:23: All things are possible to him who believes

If all things are possible, then you should be able to ask for Jesus to appear in the flesh, and he should appear? Right?

Luke 1:37: For with God nothing will be impossible

EVERY prayer is a test regardless of what is asked for. If God cannot be tested, then no one can pray.

But this directly contradicts all of the Bible verses quoted above.

[pcanderson2003]

Words are not proof, so don't use them as proof.

All your doing is guessing... but your pretending your not.

[grandconjunct]

There are lots of proofs and evidences for God , and even if there were none atheism would not follow only agnosticism and weak atheists attempts at etymological terrorism of trying to steal the word Agnosticism from the Agnostics because you think you will get some advantage is not gonna fly. There is no evidence that there is no evidence for God , and pretending is not gonna work , (even if it were true.)

Atheism is just Irrational magic with no reason to take it seriously , just words.

[kmatzukaze]

How is lack of belief in a deity equated with irrational magic?

Do you believe that belief in any deity, such as the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Shiva, and Vishnu, is better than atheism?

Or do you believe that belief specifically in the Judeo Christian deity is the only logical belief?

If someone told you that they believe in Zeus, what would your reaction be?

[grandconjunct]

>If someone told you that they believe in Zeus, what would your reaction be?

>> I would say Zeus is problematic but at least you don't believe in Atheisms magical big nothing in the sky! Keep on thinking my friend you will find the real first cause and designer of the universe soon.

[01inChrististruelife]

I knew when I was a child that God cared about me due to the sun that shone on me. I remember thinking that God was my friend as I was basking in the sun. Later I read that God makes His sun to shine on the just and unjust alike. Also, human testimony about our personal experience of our divine revelations of Jesus should be considered. It's considered in a court of law, right? Jesus said to seek Him and you will find Him. Perhaps read John chapters 1-3

[MrIce807]

Arguing over religion is like arguing over who has the better imaginary friend.

[greatsea]

Actually I disagree with Kreeft that the difference between us and an ant is not as great as the difference between God and us. We are far more like God than ants are like us, that is precisely why the incarnation was so possible and why there is a hell. Morally, emotionally, intellectually an ant has nothing even approaching a human. Not the least meeting point between the two. But between God and man there is a shared moral agency, appreciation for beauty and love and wonder.

[elroy2112]

I dont think kreeft is talking about our Nature being so diffrent from Gods since we are made in the image or nature of God though it is warped by rebellion , So Gods ways or goodness is as high as the heavens are above us so God had to descend from these heights to forgive us and save us, even though he did not have to do this, our image of God is now warped due to rebellion, But God saved us because He is love not because we are irristably lovable.

[greatsea]

James said "how can you bless God and curse men made in the image of God". There is something about men so like God the scripture places an injunction on cursing them. This gives sin it's distinctively heartbreaking characteristic. We're the greatest thing God ever made and hence the most disappointing. It is telling that Christ decided to become a man forever. There is definitely something about us he thought worth saving. You are irresistibly lovable, but you can still be lost forever.

[outtaker]

Besides, an ant and humans are both animals, both physical bodies with spirit. God, like angels, is pure spirit, and unlike us, has all the power and wisdom there is. When compared to us on a scale of these important characteristics, God is infinitely more than we are more than ants. Even though, God...with all of our knowledge about him, which is given to us by God himself, is still a mystery to us.

[julzabro]

if God is so crazy in love with us and desires a relationship with us, why is it foolish to wish to meet him?

[elroy2112]

Because true Love entails justice and judgment atheists never seem to get that, Only an immature child will think If his parents love him they will never punish him or spank him this is why atheism is so confused and creates such confusion in societies.

[Oisin29]

u r speaking like a priest.

[grandconjunct]

Kreeft is a Catholic proffesor at a semi-catholic college. Of coarse he will sound like

a catholic priest.

[havock89]

Outstanding!

[Oisin29]

if god is self sufficient, why would he create sometinhg less than its nature

[friscoeric]

Because he is also loving. True love only exists in relationships. God is self sufficient... but also, paradoxically at the same time, is truely loving. It is a paradox because we are a finite intelligence trying to understand an infinite one.

[grandconjunct]

God is a Relationship, Trinity

Only Strict Monotheistis like Muslims have the problem of a loving God without a relationship, but then I guess thats why they so rarely speak of love.

[Doyler3]

Awesome.