why is everyone arguing over this trick, i don't really think it matters if there are slight variations, most trick have variations anyway. this is my favourite version though and i think it's probably the closest to the way it's described in the encyclopedia of ball juggling
221 wouldn't work at all. In siteswap, 1 is a pass directly from one hand to the other, and 2 is a pause while holding a ball. Therefore it couldn't possibly be 221.
@eMretsiM Your arms would have to be pretty dam wide apart for a 221 to work XD
Seems like a pretty coll trick and easy enough for me to learn, too bad I got no balls (as in actualal objeks not guts...) to try it out right now. Is it it harder than it looks? Is it easier or harder than say Mills mess or takeouts?
@kaffemat no 221 wont work you cant hold a ball (2) and then pass a ball into the hand thats already holding a ball (1) and then just hold 1 ball (1) in the hand that now has 2 balls in it plus the average of 221 =1.6667 but a [22]2[21] multiplex will work but thats juggling for 2 year olds :p
That's a much smaller and looser version than what the Encyclopedia of Ball Juggling describes. The way it's described in the EoBJ is the way I teach it in my video.
ooh fun! i'll totally try this! i've been working on something a little different where all the throws are over the arm and all the catches are under the arm. it's really confusing :-(. you think you could figure it out?
I am not sure whether your explanation is right though, there's some arguement towards what Mike's Mess is but I think 522 mills is reverse chops which may or may not be it :S
Meh, there's debate over the technicalities of a lot of 3 ball tricks. But it certainly feels like 522 when I do Mike's Mess, and if you put it into a siteswap simulator it looks pretty much like Mike's Mess. Isn't reverse chops just siteswap 3, like normal chops?
Well 522 is practically the same as 3, the only reason why someone would want to denote this as 522 is because when you mills' mess it, the hand movements are applied per beat, so mills 3 and mills 522 looks different. So that difference is negligible
I believe the video explains it rather well. He showed quite a few different ways that the trick could be viewed as, indicating a loose translation. The end product he has and shows here is well executed with the exagerated hand movmemnts and other variations.
One extra is the the real mikes mess pattern can loosely be done with 4. It creates a high reverse cascade with 3. My Regensburg Con video has a view of it :) Ludwig managed it.
Ahh, the explanations are great, like all of his other tutorials (and unlike mine, the word lazy comes to mind)
However, I was just debating on the trick name itself, like my uncertainty to the Luke Shuffle tutorial, which I suggested should be called slams as Luke's Shuffle is meant to be a box variation.
im going to try to learn an 822 mills mess (4 ball mikes mess!!!) do you think i should learn the reverse fountain first or is it not necessary
theshoes100 5 months ago
Excellent tutorial! Thanks for explaining that a 522 is just a cascade.
tony0000 6 months ago
nice vid!!!!!!! thanks for the tuto
Esparow007 10 months ago
What's the difference between this and underhands?
JeremeK 1 year ago
its kinda like chops but youre crossing over your arms. its a great pattern to mess around with, looks fantastic with LED balls if you do it fast
Vajew 1 year ago
10 minutes ---> learned! ^^
Juggle1121 1 year ago
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MrKoolTrix 1 year ago
221 works as a siteswap, but this is not it, that's more like a claymotion move. I'm not even sure if that would be technically juggling.
Capricornwhite 1 year ago
@Capricornwhite it's not a siteswap- 2+2+1=5 divided by 3 isn't a whole round number.
bloonmaster 8 months ago
@bloonmaster yeah, you're right, it should be [21] which is a claymotion move and again, not technically juggling.
Capricornwhite 6 months ago
great tutorial, picked it up in about 5-10 minutes
dillibar999 1 year ago
Sweet -- thanks!
MangoPopper 2 years ago
Mike's Mess is 522
Capricornwhite 2 years ago
Awesome tutorial! I learned the pattern just from watching this video. You broke it down perfectly.
NathanMcScary 2 years ago
is it 422
webtoon999 2 years ago
Can you make a tutorial for that Variation at the end?
SDEandSE 2 years ago
Brilliant.
5 stars.
chqm8 2 years ago
nice tutorials!
what is the 'wrong' version of mike's mess called?
thomhamer 2 years ago
I learned this in 15 minutes! Thanks man! I really appreciate your tutorials!
kallfil 2 years ago
you are dam good with the balls man! but i want to see you juggling clubs aswell!
NicoloJuggler 3 years ago
Thanks for the tutorial! I fianlly learned this!
FiDiJu 3 years ago
Thanks, great video tutorial! I love this trick!!!!
musicaljuggler 3 years ago
I like the 4 ball variation at the end, I think I'll try that. =)
juggliac 3 years ago
It actually a 5 ball variation. ;)
eMretsiM 3 years ago
oh, maybe I'll wait till I get better then.
juggliac 3 years ago
why is everyone arguing over this trick, i don't really think it matters if there are slight variations, most trick have variations anyway. this is my favourite version though and i think it's probably the closest to the way it's described in the encyclopedia of ball juggling
toomasmoore 3 years ago
i ment to say 511... nice vid :)
kaffemat 3 years ago
Still wrong. It's 522.
JeremeK 3 years ago
its a 221 mills mess
kaffemat 3 years ago
221 wouldn't work at all. In siteswap, 1 is a pass directly from one hand to the other, and 2 is a pause while holding a ball. Therefore it couldn't possibly be 221.
eMretsiM 3 years ago 2
@eMretsiM Your arms would have to be pretty dam wide apart for a 221 to work XD
Seems like a pretty coll trick and easy enough for me to learn, too bad I got no balls (as in actualal objeks not guts...) to try it out right now. Is it it harder than it looks? Is it easier or harder than say Mills mess or takeouts?
ltsjack 1 year ago
@kaffemat no 221 wont work you cant hold a ball (2) and then pass a ball into the hand thats already holding a ball (1) and then just hold 1 ball (1) in the hand that now has 2 balls in it plus the average of 221 =1.6667 but a [22]2[21] multiplex will work but thats juggling for 2 year olds :p
theshoes100 5 months ago
@theshoes100 i commented that 3 years ago.. i could barely juggle, lol... :)
kaffemat 5 months ago
That's a much smaller and looser version than what the Encyclopedia of Ball Juggling describes. The way it's described in the EoBJ is the way I teach it in my video.
JeremeK 3 years ago
I Prefer This Way.
The Capitals Symbolize My Anger At Your Face.
Gorthorn 3 years ago
JeremeK's right. eMretsiM's trick is really just a glorified underarm pattern. It's not Mike's Mess without the whirly motions
logdogfrog 2 years ago
This is great! This trick reminds me of Reverse Chops mixed with a little of Burke's. AWESOMENESS!!!
BradytheStageCrewGuy 3 years ago
There's a link in the video description.
eMretsiM 3 years ago
I actually came up with this myself. It's easy as hell :)
Spathever 3 years ago
thanks.. i've just wanted to know how it looks like x))) now I can do it, it's really easy... thanks again x)
peenleib 3 years ago
Good to see you cleaned up Mike's Mess.
rofl :) nice
Gorthorn 3 years ago 2
thats easy lol.
NoDropsAllowed 3 years ago
ooh fun! i'll totally try this! i've been working on something a little different where all the throws are over the arm and all the catches are under the arm. it's really confusing :-(. you think you could figure it out?
MGZolyn 3 years ago
Hmm, I think I know something a bit like that but I'm not sure about the name of the trick. Do you have a video of it?
eMretsiM 3 years ago
thats sweet
Meagan that trick I think I have seen before a few times with clubs and balls...I would also like to know how that one works.
kzSoUlFaThEr 3 years ago
Nice tutorial!
justinjuggler 3 years ago
thnx for your video.. helped a lot x)
peenleib 3 years ago
Yay, new tutorial
I am not sure whether your explanation is right though, there's some arguement towards what Mike's Mess is but I think 522 mills is reverse chops which may or may not be it :S
Draitube 3 years ago
Meh, there's debate over the technicalities of a lot of 3 ball tricks. But it certainly feels like 522 when I do Mike's Mess, and if you put it into a siteswap simulator it looks pretty much like Mike's Mess. Isn't reverse chops just siteswap 3, like normal chops?
eMretsiM 3 years ago
Well 522 is practically the same as 3, the only reason why someone would want to denote this as 522 is because when you mills' mess it, the hand movements are applied per beat, so mills 3 and mills 522 looks different. So that difference is negligible
Draitube 3 years ago
I believe the video explains it rather well. He showed quite a few different ways that the trick could be viewed as, indicating a loose translation. The end product he has and shows here is well executed with the exagerated hand movmemnts and other variations.
One extra is the the real mikes mess pattern can loosely be done with 4. It creates a high reverse cascade with 3. My Regensburg Con video has a view of it :) Ludwig managed it.
kzSoUlFaThEr 3 years ago
Ahh, the explanations are great, like all of his other tutorials (and unlike mine, the word lazy comes to mind)
However, I was just debating on the trick name itself, like my uncertainty to the Luke Shuffle tutorial, which I suggested should be called slams as Luke's Shuffle is meant to be a box variation.
Draitube 3 years ago