Austin City Council Special Called Meeting on Fluoridation

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Which puts it in violation of federal and state law

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is a commercial grade chemical

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H2SiF6 as for oral administration thru "Drinking Water" as delivered to the point of administration,

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One of which is that a pharmaceutical must have a product label

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pharmaceuticals are subject to state and federal laws

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"Water Fluoridation" has undisputed "systemic" effects which requires its definition as a pharmaceutical

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and state and federal laws which license medical practioners who recommend the avoidance or even the abstinence of oral administration of H2SiF6 to their patients

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"fluoridation" exists in a state of conflict between state and federal laws which mandate the oral administration of H2SiF6,

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All pharmaceuticals are referenced by there specific description, not by a generalization

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a very specifically defined chemical

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"Water Fluoridation" is Oral administration of H2SiF6.

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flouride" is a general term for various chemicals, concepts, etc

[iltrgb123]

I feel that to be forced to deal with the issue of this “treatment” “therapy” or however it is defined is a disregard for my personal right, from a medical standpoint, and other standpoints as well

[iltrgb123]

If there are indeed severe cases of fluorosis, and these are indeed caused by water plant additives, is the administration of the causative substance stopped in these patients?

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When I listen to the proponents I feel a little foolish for being concerned as they seem to trivialize the “Fluorosis” issue. I really don’t know whom to believe.

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My gut feeling is that having this big corroded tank of extremely corrosive acid at the water plant and pumping into the water supply, is probably not good for anyone’s health

[iltrgb123]

My only feeling is at this point that the proponents seem to trivialize my questions and concerns and offer childish unscientific answers. The opponents seem to speak at a more adult level and and seem willing to address concerns from an educational level which I feel comfortable with. This is the very impression I have had from my first contact of the issue years ago, and which has weighed my feeling toward a mistrust of the program.

[iltrgb123]

I hear people who believe fluoride readily evaporates out of the water and so is harmless. It is my understanding that even boiling will not remove the compound , but I may be wrong on this.

[iltrgb123]

Many years ago “fluoridation” was explained to me by a dentist as being an inert salt which is the same as the fluoride found in nature . It was also emphasized as being beneficial and harmless and needed to adjust the natural levels.

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I do not adhere to the “conspiracy theory" , or “Nazi’ view points, although I do not criticize those who do. I feel it is a result of 3 or 4 generations of accumulated vested interests.

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I especially feel that any polititian , dentist or other, who has taken personal steps to avoid fluoridation such as having a water filter, etc. would not have any right to support, or promote the administration for others, or to vote in favor of a legislation for others an administration of a substance orally for which they have taken personal steps to avoid

[iltrgb123]

Obviously, the existence of fluoride compounds in nature cannot be justification for putting dissimilar fluoride compounds in the drinking water any more than the existience of sodium in most of our food and water would justify putting various synthetic sodium compounds in the drinking water. If there were indications for such use, there use could not be justified by this argument

[iltrgb123]

I am willing to be corrected, but it appears to be no way that these “Therapeutic” compounds are found existing naturally in the environment or groundwater

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The treatment of this disease is very dependent on maintaining a healthy oral environment and homeostatic gastrointestinal flora. Since this substance seems to me to be probably unbeneficial to gastrointestinal flora, I am unwilling to buy into it on the recommendation of journalists and general practitioners of dentistry.

[iltrgb123]

My gut feeling an common sense tell me that a corrosive acidic substance is not good for me to be drinking. Especially since I and so many others have the condition called periodontitis.

[iltrgb123]

The topic had not entered my mind for 15 years, until I saw recently where my water is going to be treated in opposition to a voter mandate. I decided that I would look into it, as I felt that it was a policy that is not being supported by sound science. I felt that it was not being supported by the usual disciplines of medicine, microbiology, pharmacology, etc.

[iltrgb123]

Before I drink something that only moments earlier was in a fuming equilibrium with Hydrofluoric acid and sodium tetrafluoride, capable of dissolving glass and teeth, which is recommended on the basis of being “Naturally occurring” which it is not,

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I have seen numerous references to the anti-bacterial nature of flurosalicic acid. Is it in general use for this purpose , e.g. as an oral antiseptic?  I am concerned that we may be describing it as anti-bacterial when it may be better described as anti-biological, especially if in a very concentrated state.

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One might wonder why huge tanks of poisonous material are connected to the water supply, apparently only a valve’s turn away from untold misery.

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It seems that there exists no known medical or dental indication for the oral administration of fluoride

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Issues in Pharmacology and Select Disease Conditions · Appendix A ... You should administer drugs with the highest awareness, not from habit

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A drug, broadly speaking, is any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function

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Is anyone aware of any other synthetic chemical which is applicable for universal human ingestion with no exemptions?

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Would Dr.Yarbrough reject the notion that in order to err on the side of caution medically speaking, there may be subgroups that not only don’t need sodium hexafluorosilicate intake, but , even if only for their peace of mind, might be better off without it?

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It seems some compromise could be made in the interest of economics, to eliminate groups only marginally needy of sodium fluorosalicitate in their diet, e.g. groups such as diabetics, musculoskeletal degenerative disease, degenerative neurological disease, patients with compromised function of the kidneys and other organs , pregnant and nursing mothers, infants at some early age etc. if only and alternative method could be adopted.

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How many drugs lethal to an adult man when ingested in the amount of 1 tsp are administered to a patient without monitoring of a pharmacist?

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I would like to ask the dentists their opinion of a voter mandate when the voters reject fluoridation. I live in a water district that twice has rejected fluoridation and now the legislature has declared this mandate null and void.

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I think something very interesting to know would be the natural voluntary public demand for the fluoride compound in countries where it is available in the form of salt additive as compared to countries where the consumption of fluoride is mandated by the government.

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I cannot discern exactly whose interests the dentists represent. Do the speak for patients? Do they speak for dentists in general? Do they speak for the interest of their personal practice? Do they speak for some special interest group?

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I would like to ask the dentists, what is the level of training required for the dispensing and administration of this drug after being prescribed? Is it considered so safe that there is no need for a pharmacist to be involved? In other words it would be considered an over the counter medication which would make it OK for water dept. employees to administer?

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@iltrgb123 Even then , it would not be safe for water department employees to administer. They have no ability to asses risk whatsoever. They are in no position to prescribe medication, especially one in which they claim there are no restrictions on the daily dose and who the medication is safe for.

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As the dentist accents the fact that fluoride exists naturally in the environment, is his point that naturally existing substances are inherently safe for human ingestion? Would it follow that other chemicals found naturally in ground water may by the same reasoning be safe for human consumption or medical administration.

[iltrgb123]

This fluoridation is something that the average citizen is unaware of and doesn’t probably have the time to make himself informed on the subject. The ill effects of which are subtle. It is an obscure activity going on behind the scenes. This characteristic makes it vulnerable to self serving policy makers and dental practioners who have exploited these vulnerabilities. The fox is guarding the chicken pen.

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CDC oversight of fluoridation? I would like to know if there is oversight of this program by any government office. I have heard that the CDC department responsible for this oversight consists only of general practioners of dentistry. It seems that if this is true it should it should be corrected as this is a public health issue and is not primariy a dental issue. I have heard that the department consists of 30 dentists and one PHD in economics.

[iltrgb123]

I really don't feel this is a dental issue but rather a public health issue, and it should be discussed by physcians and public health experts not dentists. I see no point in having a debate about this issue with dentists. Many people affected by this policy don't even have any teeth and the medically enlightened ones of that group I am sure would like some answers.

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The Dentist makes an analogy of the use of fluoride to that of Warfarin. Does he have the medical training and background to qualify him to make such an analogy?

[G0LizardGo]

people are too afraid to be different... but the fact is they probably wouldn't be in the political position they're in today without being bureaucratic sheep!

[TheEconomist7]

If you can't watch the entire video above there are 3 simple reasons why water fluoridation should be stopped: it is ineffective at preventing tooth decay, it is an expensive program to maintain, and it is harmful to the environment and to the people who are exposed to it.

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@TheEconomist7 Very true. Also, we did a great deal of research on the legal issue a couple of years ago in preparation for a court challenge in Washington state. The bottom line is that fluoridation is illegal and medically unethical in all states. State legislatures that have mandated the policy are blatantly bypassing the most basic of human medical intervention rules, and are committing mass medication without individual informed consent and monitoring by qualified medical personnel.

[Kyocus]

Thanks very much for making this available. It is always interesting to see what is said by people who are for fluoridation, or I should say how little they have to say which is scientific. Great job in trying to educate the city council. Your work is appreciated.

[PoliticalAnimal1959]

The heavy set council woman does not impress me as very smart. She doesn't seem to grasp the points very quickly. I would NEVER vote for her if I were living in Austin as she also strikes me as a tad bit arrogant! Slowly but surely, the pro fluoridation forces nationwide and in Canada are losing this battle. However, this is not happening in Australia where the fluoridation power base is particularly draconian.

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@PoliticalAnimal1959 We do see your point. However, you must remember that as a public servant and elected official, Councilwoman Shade is attempting to be simple in approach and fair in presentation. We applaud the use of Mr. Schooler as a non-biased mediator between the opponents and proponents. Ms. Shade's statement at the end of the presentation is very telling. She states that she is reluctant to express doubts about a pubic policy that has so much support by health authorities.

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@fluoridealert

Councilwoman Shade is a typical pol -- just a rubber-stamping, status quo go along. The country is quickly sinking on numerous levels and it's the thousands of so-called "leaders" such as her that are not putting their feet forward. Water fluoridation has been thoroughly discredited on all fronts. It is medical, scientific, political, economic, and legal fraud. It is completely indefensible.