Whoa whoa whoa, wait a clip. Before the guillotine, I'm pretty sure beheading came first and then the guillotine came into effect. But wait, it can't stop there, can it? I'm almost certain there were/are more ways of execution out there that we may not have seen yet.
@Stealtht6 - a lot of prisons are privately owned, so the budget is priority one. They get government grants and donations to keep the facilities running and pay the guards. Because the goal is to kill, they put less funding into expensive anesthesia meds. This, among other compromises in the prison system, basically increases the amount they can pay guards, councilors, judges, executives and CEOs...I may be wrong, but if I had to guess, that would be my assumption.
@AllieXii Interseting. When I took my cat in to be put down, they simply gave her an overdose of medication and that stops the heart after they lose consciousness. In fact, my cat was asleep after only half the dose.
@DarthRevan77 If the death penalty should ever be used, (I don't think it should, because innocent people are sent to prison all the fucking time, all over the world) it shouldn't be to make the victim's family feel better, it should be to keep an extremely dangerous person off the streets and not having to pay shitloads of money to keep him/her alive. From what I've read, executing someone isn't cheap.
What of the innocent people we've sent to death due to prosucetorial misconduct? I'd be fore the death penalty if we had protection from overzealous misconduct by the prosecutors and district attorneys who actually try people whom they know to be innocent, simply because they'll see it as an easy win for political gain. Why aren't prosecutors and district attorneys like that held up to the same standards of justice?
I once read that death after the electric chair usually occurs during the mandatory autopsy! The same book also recommended that if you have the choice, you should opt for the guillotine - because there is always the chance that you can spit in the executioner's eye afterwards.
Can anyone rationally explain why they can't just put in an IV and start a slow morphine drip until they are relaxed. Then open the curtains, call the time, and give them like 3 times the amount of morphine needed to kill someone through the iv.? I would predict a smile, then a couple of breaths, then an exhale and done in 30 seconds. Why 3 different, with different amounts, and all that.
@Chronomorte " and give them like 3 times the amount of morphine needed to kill someone through the iv."
It's a good question and one that has crossed my mind on numerous occasions. My best guess is that there's requirement to do so much irreversible bodily damage so that future resuscitation is impossible. Certainly, the present protocols used in the US are simply legalised torture - which is odd since the constitution forbids cruel punishments.
Lol wow Steven Banks, the guy from the Home Entertainment show also did a live performance of the Aritstocrats joke. Which was a movie directed by Penn himself.
I oppose they death penalty is because it is more expensive than a life sentence. Why is it that the government tries to find the most expensive and error prone forms of execution possible? You would think they would have figured out that a few gunshots to the head is about as humane and inexpensive as it gets. A Glock 22 costs $500, and $1.17 for a Corbon .40 S&W 135gr JHP. Assuming you use two shots per execution, it would cost $2.34, and after 300 shots the Glock is paid off.
@conservativegreen Because we'd like to live in a society that's above simply killing people to eliminate a problem. It's also partially why grammar is a good thing.
Hanging was not largely strangulation! It did happen, but it became too disturbing for the officials to watch people thrashing around in agony. Hanging became a mathematical science where the length of rope was carefully calculated in accordance to the person's body weight in order to snap the neck as cleanly as possible. They were still hanging people in the UK until the 1960's for heavens sake! It is clean, efficient and when done properly by the professionals, painless.
@Voodoofreak35 oh yeah didn't they starve the prisoners then cut off their arm & the prisoner would get so hungry hed eat his arm then theyd cut off his other arm & repeated until he blead to death?
They say that 5grams only puts you to sleep for 30 seconds, when the dosage that they use for surgeries is the same dose they use for lethal injection. So technically everything that happens in the lethal injection is done while being put to sleep by the sodium thiopental.
Because we want to be a civilized society where there is a systematic, sensitive, and reasonable rule of law that is independent of the passions of the mob. On the flip side, government institutions and bureaucracies should not be trusted with the power to inflict anything close to torture.
The thing is, the average human being has a low threshold for seeing people being tortured to death. Executions are more often than not public affairs and seeing people burn to the point of skin liquification as they thrash around in the chair screaming in agony can really mess a person up psycologically.
I remember the first time I saw the Green Mile; it took me a week to recover after watching the botched electracution scene. No one deserves to suffer like that, no matter what they did.
@KingofKlubs Let us say it's a multiple count, caught-in-the-act, child molester/rapist/killer. Please, let me know the proper punishment for someone who doesn't even allow a child to exist.
@Pandaoniman Prison is under-rated. Most people don't realise how hard it is to be locked in a tiny room for the majority of the day, for year after endless year. If you think certain criminals deserve to suffer as they die, then you have to be prepared to sit there and watch them being tortured. Empathy is apart of the human condition for a very good reason.
Well, there will not be overpopulation because there is a crapload of land that's just sitting and unused (not uninhabitable). As for the death penalty, fuck yes I love it. I don't like paying for murderers (or rapists to be honest) to live an easy life in a prison. Yes it IS easy in there because unlike an inmate that has a life sentence, I can die out here from starvation and no one will give two fucks about me.
I look @ it this way.I could be charged for something I did not do and the system may seek the death penalty against me.......Fuck dat!!....So i say fuck the death penalty.
if we are killing people for terrible crimes I do not care at all if it is painful for the criminal, whatever they did was very painful for someone else
but at the same time our government is so stupid they should not be responsible for killing people
@volcom13xx Exactly what is a terrible crime? Adultery is a capital crime in Iran, seen as terrible. Should their death be painful, to represent the pain caused to those cheated upon?
@AnimalNitrates By the way, cheating on someone is emotional pain, a terrible crime is torture, murder, things are first are ILLEGAL and second cause physical pain
@volcom13xx I don't really care what kind of pain is caused by adultery. My point is that 'terrible crime' is subjective, and in different countries different actions and intentions warrant death.
@AnimalNitrates well this discussion is about American laws, not international laws...do you really want me to outline what a terrible crime is? You are smart enough to know what I mean right?
@volcom13xx "if we are killing people for terrible crimes I do not care at all if it is painful for the criminal, whatever they did was very painful for someone else"
Maybe so, maybe some seconds of suffering should be part of the punishment.
But do you have 100% confidence in the legal system that condemned the person in the first place? Is it acceptable for a certain percentage of innocent people to go through painful execution processes due to miscarriages of justice?
@volcom13xx Exactly, the real debate is not over whether they deserve an excruciating punishment. Murderers most certainly do. Its about whether our government, or any court, can be trusted to 100% accuracy in dealing out the penalty. We can't compensate for accidentally executing an innocent person.
@volcom13xx Keep in mind that not everyone who gets executed is guilty of committing a crime. Yes, I know that more guilty people are executed than innocent people but that's not enough. Innocent people should not die horrible deaths for crimes they didn't commit and as long as capital punishment exists innocent people will continue to die no matter who carries it out.
If only the victim could punish then you would have assholes killing criminals over minor things like stealing your cupcake or you would have parents getting away with raping their children because the children arent going to put their parents in jail. It is acually very inapropriate for a victim to decide punishment just like a victim shouldnt be able to be the judge during trial.
Your belief is fine with me, but you must also be against the Government releasing people who may kill innocent people!! What about innocent people dying??
This story is still being written, so it is early to form settled thoughts.. I write about the Seattle killing of 4 INNOCENT officers by a person released by the state.
How do you feel about innocent people being killed when the state releases people?
Please stop equating the examples of loved ones in your family who may have been horribly injured or killed by someone to the justification of the death penalty. Some things are wrong, and they're always wrong, regardless of any other circumstances. Also, what about those dozens of individuals who were executed who have now been proven to have been innocent due to modern DNA analysis? Killing is wrong, no matter who does it.
concerning the US. Can you supply a list which includes the dozens of individuals executed then proven innocent due to DNA findings? 'Dozens proven' being essential .....
Pardon me, but I would say that what is essential is that anyone, any one single person who was killed by the state and then later found to be innocent is too many. Right off the top of my head, I can think of one, Milton WIlliams from Texas, executed about 1987 for the murder of his wife and friend, and proven conclusively to have been innocent of that crime by DNA analysis of available evidence in 2002. I shouldn't have even used the word "dozens" as that negates the point of my argument.
Thank you, I was surprised that I could have missed such a list. I see your point, one event, or the possibility of this event, is enough to justify abolition of the DP.
Fair enough.
How do you feel about the State releasing murderers who have a recidivism rate of 1.2 % on innocent citizens. Does your logic hold true and cliam that one event should abolish paroled release of murderers? 1.2% recidivisim rate is sourced from the justice dept.
Are you assuming that prisoners who would have received the death penalty would be set free? This is nearly never the case. Those offenders who commit crimes serious enough to receive the death penalty would likely receive life sentences without parole, not be freed. In addition, the death penalty does nothing to prevent recidivism. In fact, many criminologists believe that it may actually increase it, as it created motivation for an offender to kill witnesses in order to avoid their own death.
I am assuming nothing. The US Justice Dept lists a recidivism rate for those convicted of homocide and some of them released as 1.2 %. very sad that the state would release people who would pray on innocent citizens..
My apologies, but I assumed that you were discussing recidivism in relevance to the death penalty. I was trying to draw attention to the fact they they are not connected and do not impact one another, as it seemed rather out of the blue to mention one after the other. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
My point was an attempt to address one of the arguments offered by many of those opposed to the Death Penalty, that being the killing of an innocent citizen.
Just wondering, you said that killing is wrong no matter who does it. what about the the killing the Allied soldiers did in WWII. they had to kill. without killing some of the worlds worst dictators would have never been stopped. Murder is absolutely wrong. but i would say that at drastic times, sometimes killing is unfortunately necessary. (think defense of ones family or friends...)
Yes, that brings up another point; do you see how easily we just assume that there will always be villians, tyrants, and dictators in the world ready to either kill us one on one or send massive armies out to destroy ours? When an individual has no choice but to kill, it's usually because someone somewhere made a choice for him well before he found himself in that position . And maybe it could've been prevented, who knows? But we don't even try anymore. We'd rather just accept violence.
Soo, where's the problem? My father was in a coma with half his head demolished due to a hit and run son of a bitch. How humane was that for my father to be in pain, probably aware but paralyzed, Broken back and legs, his left eye crossed due to trauma, and on a ventilator for 30 days before he finally died? And you fuckers are worried about 2 fucking minutes. Give me a fucking break! Both these idiots suck ass and cock.
I take my (Metaphorical) hat off to you, simply because I love someone who is willing to argue their point. Apart from the fact that we have catergorically parted from the issue of your clip and are now arguing the basis of the English lexicon is a testiment to human indeavour. Let's team up and argue about something that is clearly (To coin a phrase) Bullshit, like the 9/11 'conspiracies'. Peace!
I understand what you're saying to a point, although I'd like to point out that it IS a paradox. The definition being "a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth." The premise being that, you would have to change your views about someone changing their views in order to prove that change was possible. Therefore a Paradox.
But your premise is that no one is willing to change their views, vis a vis "I have to change my views about someone changing their views in order to prove that change is possible" is merely stating "You have to understand that someone isn't going to change their views because you aren't going to change yours", which is completely incorrect and doesn't fall under the ideology of a paradox.
You left off with the suggestion that you can't change anyone's mind, which is untrue and not a paradox.
Before you even comment on my last message I have a paradox for you. Can you change the mind of a killer? If you can, then you should be able to change the mind of anyone who has a different view on life. Such as someone who is anti-death penalty changing to someone who is Pro-death penalty. If you will never ever ever change your view then neither will they. Get out of that one!!!
But to answer your question: Yes, it is possible to change someone's views on life, the Death Penalty. The more educated we become, the more we change as a whole of society. Things change all the time. Or are you telling me that we all have the same issues from 2,000 years; 10,000 years, 100,000 years ago? No, with each advancement comes opportunity to grow and learn.
More personally, I used to believe in the Death Penalty until I educated myself.
The death penalty has never been a deterant, simply a punishment that has been deemed equative to the crime that someone has commited. People kill because of impulse and DO NOT (at that moment) consider or even care about the concequences. If a neurological imbalance in someone's brain leans them towards killing then you CANNOT help or 'heal' them, the same way you cannot cure parkinsons disease (Another neurological imparement). If a person can ONLY cause harm to others what else can you do?
You take them out of society and you put them away for life. You do not have to stoop to their levels because you don't know what else to do with them.
I only support capital punishment for the most serious crimes, such as mass murder or terrorism, the Nazi's hanged by Albert Pierrepoint after WWII deserved to dangle from the gallows. While execution might not be a deterrant, it's the only fit punishment for some crimes.
It's interesting how many times Nazi-ism is brought up in Internet debates.
How about this paradox that cannot be escaped: if murder is the willful killing of another human, and you advocate the Death Penalty, you yourself are a murder and must be put to death by your own ideology.
I disagree that the death penalty is the only punishment for some crimes. There are certainly other options that are far better, there's just too many people who would rather kill than to turn a bad situation good
I understand your point of view even though I disagree. I can get round the paradox, because it isn't a paradox, murder is a legal term, not a general one. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a person, execution is an act of the law, therefore it does not constitute murder. You could use the same argument to claim that prison is a form of kidnapping.
That's the thing about a paradox, you can't get around it. You're using word play to justify your views, but it doesn't change the end result. I can reword the paradox to make it still apply if you'd prefer, but I'm afraid it would be pointless.
The only reason why execution is an act of law is because we have justified it to ourselves that it is OK to kill killers.
Prison COULD be considered a form of kidnapping, but it's better than letting hardened criminals roam free.
I'm going to assume here that you're arguing for more effective methods of carrying out capital punishment since you don't make any argument against the practice in principle.
It's horrible to assume anything if you're only going off a single clip. I urge you to watch the entire video if you want to make an informed decision about my views.
I caught the point you were trying to make the first time around. I do not endorse what any criminal does, but they are still human beings, and the better we treat each other, especially our problematic ones, reflects on an advancing civilization well.
Well then I don't see how they apply to mentally ill. People like you and I may treat one another with love but you can't fight violence with love. You need to counter it with violence. And this is justice. There is a line from batman however "criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding" and it's very true. They depend on people like you to care for their better nature and forgive. The truth is you're just helping them get away with it. They're taking advantage of you.
That's where you're wrong. You CAN fight violence with love. The world is what you make of it. If you CHOOSE to fight violence with violence, then you only breed more violence.
That line from Batman was said by Ras A Ghul, whom is known for his lack of empathy or sympathy. It was Batman (the protagonist) who decided that killing is wrong.
If you think that by treating people's problems with proper education is helping them "get away" with it, then i fear you have deeper issues of trust.
yeah I would have said that but 400 characters. No you can't, a criminal is not going to be so impressed by your compassion that he'll be good. Violence doesn't beget inaction does. The punishment has to fit the crime and for some of these people killing isn't enough it's just the most that we can do so, obviously we're screwing up the process, but the process is better than many of these people deserve anyway. Indeed I do believe people change but I proudly say I don't trust these people.
I think you're confusing compassion with inaction/passivity. You don't have to kill in order to get your point across. Violence DOES beget more violence.
If you think the Death Penalty is a proper deterrent to "fit" the crime, then I have another clip from this show that refutes that argument.
Actually I admit I haven't see this episode and I love this show. A link would be appreciated. However all though I may have contorted the topic if someone is trying to hurt someone else you need to stop them physically usually. I do think of myself as forgiving and I think the amount of force used should be kept to a minimum but I accept that there are bad people out there. who aren't moved by love. if they are they wouldn't hurt in the first place. I think this also applies here.
My position isn't against using force to stop people from hurting others. The topic is on the Death Penalty as a form of punishment or deterrent to crime, which IMHO it is not a good idea.
I can't post the entire video due to YouTube's TOS, so I can only post clips of it. I don't have the clip refuting the Death Penalty as a deterrent YET, but I can get it up after I make it (it takes a few hours but I need to go to bed, it's 2:28AM here!)
well the thing that got me is that he seemed concerned about their level of comfort. The level of comfort of someone like that is not high on my priorities list and even if it were, they can just increase the dose.
Why can't we be compassionate to those around us, even the cold hearted killers? Is it so wrong to remain compassionate toward those we disagree with?
It seems society still levels compassion as a weakness instead of our greatest strength. The better we treat the whole of our society, the better we all are in the long run.
@OzzFan1000 What about the killers that keep on killing over and over again, even after we let them go? What about the people that show no regret for their multiple murders. Do you expect us to "compassionate" the worst of the worst? The murders that don't stop? The serial killers that torture, rape and murder their victims?
It's going to be this or life in prison, and at least this way they aren't wasting law biding citizen's tax money.
@epicnessinacan Actually, they are. Death penalty costs more money than life in prison for the tax payers. And if it seems like they'll murder again, let's keep them in prisons. And that last statement of yours, NO, that simply isn't true. Innocent people are executed in USA every year. So, this is not "sure" thing, the real murderers are actually free
I have no moral concern at all about the death penalty. What I do have a concern about is how expensive, time consuming and inefficient it has become. Too big a waste of resources and effort for those who deserve resources and effort the least.
The U.S. Government has also become too expensive, time consuming, inefficient and a big waste of resources, yet we don't revolt against them because we all believe in having a government.
War is also time consuming, expensive and inefficient... but it also involves killing of human life which is always tragic.
i have a question, how many people do have to kill in order to get the death penalty or aside from killing what other or how many other crime do you have to commit to be sentenced to death
you know when a pet is put to sleep, the vet gives them a sedative then an overdose of an anesthetic. which takes less than 30 seconds. i guess we treat our pets better than the condemned.
where i live they use to tie them by the neck to a horse and drag them to queen square where the gallows was and hang them most was already dead when hanged although criminals was hard to come by so if it got really boring they would accuse people of being a witch or made up an offence but was mostly women and children real celebrities such as guy Fawkes would only occur about every six months
I used to put animals to sleep with sodium pentithol. MOST of the time they went VERY peacefully. I quite not long after kitten season. That sucked putting down healthy kittens because we had no room.
Honestly, instead of the Death Penalty bullshit, why not just bring back torture? And instead of having a paid person do it, let someone related to the victim(s) do it.
Death Penalty is out of whack, because it's unclear on what you have to do to get it. Like Casey Anthony. Kill one little kid, they consider the DP. Or kill 16 and they put you in prison for 50+ years.
I say, Torture is where it's at. I may be a sadistic bastard for wanting that, but people that do that shit deserve it.
you get home from work, and found out that ur lmom was tortured and killed....You will want the DP for that person, but if u are the one who wants to do the same thing to another human being, you are not better than him, cuz if he likes torturing u like it too...ur the same shit.
But since America is suppose to embrace the idea that everyone is equal, then I am no better then him anyway.
Besides, there IS a difference, he would have tortured and killed my mother for... What reason? If it was just because he wanted too, then what I would be doing to him would be "justified".
And whose to say I'd even want the DP for that guy? All I want is 20 minutes and a room full of pointy things, while he's strapped down, of course.
I don't really think that is what is meant by treating everyone "equally". We should try to be the best people we can while respecting everyone else's right to be different.
I almost agree that they deserve it... but what happens when the state puts away someone who is completely innocent, and how do you know if they are completely innocent? My point is that the death penalty will likely execute someone that is innocent, which is something that should be avoided at all costs.
Well, only the person in question would know if they are innocent or guilty, so I believe it would be time to drastically update Polygraph machines. Being able to connect it to the brain would give an increase in the percentage to know if they lie. And by doing that, you could also cut down on the amount of innocent people that might get the DP.
Of course, that's just an idea. A damn good one, but still just an idea.
Well isn't equality one of the things America is about? If so, then we're no better or worse then anyone else. Even murderers.
And everyone says that "Two wrongs don't make a right" bullshit, but when does it really work? Example: Hitler. He killed millions of Jews. So what if someone had the chance to kill him. Would that not make it right?
And I know how *I* could justify it. You just ask yourself. Did he kill someone? if yes, then he is too stupid to be alive.
I have uploaded a new P&T clip from the same episode dealing with your logic. They don't specifically mention Hitler, but it still deals with the "eye for an eye" issue.
i understand your point, but theres a equality isn´t about, he killed my friend so i´ll kill him, revenge is an emotional responce to anger and hatred, but when we cool down and think, killing the murderer of your friend, or lover or child won´t bring them and it definetly wont make any better than the man you killed, thats why the death penalty sounds like total hipocracy, especially if the one convicted may turn to out be innocent
But the death penalty isnt really revenge. It's punishment. We kill the murderer so he can't do it again. Now if it's an accident, I can understand. But if it's some asshole who killed dozens of innocent people, I think he should be put to death.
I'm not projecting my violent values on others... I'm just sayin if a man rapes and kills your daughter/sister... wouldn't you want him to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Or would you want to pay taxes to let him have 3 square meals a day in prison?
Yes, it is perfectly natural to want to harm someone who has harmed you or someone you love. That is why we have law, so that as a group we don't allow personal pain to guide our actions.
You're onto something here, and they mention this idea in the full video. There will be a time in our future when we can tell beyond a shadow of a doubt if someone is guilty or innocent, until that day, the costs are too high.
In fact, polygraph tests are horribly inefficient compared to newer methods. For instance, brain scans show more activity when a person is lying than when they are telling the truth because lies require more brain power to make up facts.
Steven Truscott. He wasn't actually executed, but had Canada not been in so much shit over this incident (sending an innocent Minor to death row over a crime he did not commit), then he would have been executed. The only reason why he was taken off of death row is because of tourism plummeting. You should do some research on him.
That's the quick and easy way, but I'm sure many would argue that its not the most humane.
If you haven't done so, I'd urge you to watch the entire episode to see where they are going with this. I simply used this clip to prove a point to someone.
If I can get a chance, and if it isn't against the TOS, perhaps I'll post the entire episode for everyone.
They later show a guy who spent 6 years on death row for a crime he didn't commit. That's the other problem with the death penalty, you can't undo it if it turns out you made a terrible mistake.
this woman doesn't anything about history! Jaysus
Sweetlittlemystery 5 months ago
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a clip. Before the guillotine, I'm pretty sure beheading came first and then the guillotine came into effect. But wait, it can't stop there, can it? I'm almost certain there were/are more ways of execution out there that we may not have seen yet.
Victronasaurus 5 months ago
Why don't they just give you 10X the dose of the sleeping drug?
Stealtht6 6 months ago
@Stealtht6 - a lot of prisons are privately owned, so the budget is priority one. They get government grants and donations to keep the facilities running and pay the guards. Because the goal is to kill, they put less funding into expensive anesthesia meds. This, among other compromises in the prison system, basically increases the amount they can pay guards, councilors, judges, executives and CEOs...I may be wrong, but if I had to guess, that would be my assumption.
AllieXii 6 months ago
@AllieXii Interseting. When I took my cat in to be put down, they simply gave her an overdose of medication and that stops the heart after they lose consciousness. In fact, my cat was asleep after only half the dose.
Stealtht6 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Sorry for the spelling, i wasn't paying attention as I typed.
Stealtht6 6 months ago
Bullet to the brain would be a lot better.
JAMamation 7 months ago
lets go back to the guillotine, looks fun, sounds fun, seem painless....and makes a fucking amazing show
darkkristian22 7 months ago
well what about a bullet in the head, not much chance of a fuck up then
Thenicereviewguy 8 months ago
i usually agree with P&T, but this time I don't.
I don't care if a serial killer has to suffer before he died. What about the killer's victims?
DarthRevan77 11 months ago
@DarthRevan77 If the death penalty should ever be used, (I don't think it should, because innocent people are sent to prison all the fucking time, all over the world) it shouldn't be to make the victim's family feel better, it should be to keep an extremely dangerous person off the streets and not having to pay shitloads of money to keep him/her alive. From what I've read, executing someone isn't cheap.
Nomiss9 11 months ago 2
@DarthRevan77
What of the innocent people we've sent to death due to prosucetorial misconduct? I'd be fore the death penalty if we had protection from overzealous misconduct by the prosecutors and district attorneys who actually try people whom they know to be innocent, simply because they'll see it as an easy win for political gain. Why aren't prosecutors and district attorneys like that held up to the same standards of justice?
Jaydoggy531 10 months ago 2
I once read that death after the electric chair usually occurs during the mandatory autopsy! The same book also recommended that if you have the choice, you should opt for the guillotine - because there is always the chance that you can spit in the executioner's eye afterwards.
mandolinic 1 year ago
they censor nipples, but this is considered ok?
Andybaby 1 year ago
Can anyone rationally explain why they can't just put in an IV and start a slow morphine drip until they are relaxed. Then open the curtains, call the time, and give them like 3 times the amount of morphine needed to kill someone through the iv.? I would predict a smile, then a couple of breaths, then an exhale and done in 30 seconds. Why 3 different, with different amounts, and all that.
Chronomorte 1 year ago
@Chronomorte " and give them like 3 times the amount of morphine needed to kill someone through the iv."
It's a good question and one that has crossed my mind on numerous occasions. My best guess is that there's requirement to do so much irreversible bodily damage so that future resuscitation is impossible. Certainly, the present protocols used in the US are simply legalised torture - which is odd since the constitution forbids cruel punishments.
mandolinic 1 year ago
Nice legs
drmoonrat 1 year ago
I've never laughed so much at death.
Teller's expressions are great. Especially during the call from the governor bit.
Wouldn't a bullet to the head be the quicket and most painless. Instant brain dead in less than seconds.
flakelorenz02 1 year ago 2
Lol wow Steven Banks, the guy from the Home Entertainment show also did a live performance of the Aritstocrats joke. Which was a movie directed by Penn himself.
Insaniac12 1 year ago
I oppose they death penalty is because it is more expensive than a life sentence. Why is it that the government tries to find the most expensive and error prone forms of execution possible? You would think they would have figured out that a few gunshots to the head is about as humane and inexpensive as it gets. A Glock 22 costs $500, and $1.17 for a Corbon .40 S&W 135gr JHP. Assuming you use two shots per execution, it would cost $2.34, and after 300 shots the Glock is paid off.
EZ2anger 1 year ago
n Ky we use old sparky
conservativegreen 1 year ago
@conservativegreen Because we'd like to live in a society that's above simply killing people to eliminate a problem. It's also partially why grammar is a good thing.
TheIr0nMike 1 year ago
When Penn and Teller want to get serious, they really don't fuck around.
FatherTime89 1 year ago 8
Hanging was not largely strangulation! It did happen, but it became too disturbing for the officials to watch people thrashing around in agony. Hanging became a mathematical science where the length of rope was carefully calculated in accordance to the person's body weight in order to snap the neck as cleanly as possible. They were still hanging people in the UK until the 1960's for heavens sake! It is clean, efficient and when done properly by the professionals, painless.
KingofKlubs 1 year ago
That mime is so fucking awesome.
WasMilkABadChoice 1 year ago
Capital Punishment is murder.
FreeDogdylan 1 year ago
GOOD! I hope those child molesters and murders feel lots of pain.
SuperSneakySteve 1 year ago
U guys should go do some research on how the Chinese used to execute prisoners in ancient times...
I am only familiar with a couple of them, you think the Inquisition is badass? Go do some research...
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 oh yeah didn't they starve the prisoners then cut off their arm & the prisoner would get so hungry hed eat his arm then theyd cut off his other arm & repeated until he blead to death?
xxNailFirexx 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 Bamboo growing through the vital organs.
Pandaoniman 1 year ago
@Pandaoniman Oh god, u gotta be a genius to figure that one out!! YES! THE BAMBOO GROWING RIGHT THROUGH UR BODY!
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
Penn and Teller Fucked up big time.
They say that 5grams only puts you to sleep for 30 seconds, when the dosage that they use for surgeries is the same dose they use for lethal injection. So technically everything that happens in the lethal injection is done while being put to sleep by the sodium thiopental.
iGoobytv 1 year ago
Why be humane? I like old sparky! As you can guess not all murder victims die humanely
tentacleviper 1 year ago
@tentacleviper
Because we want to be a civilized society where there is a systematic, sensitive, and reasonable rule of law that is independent of the passions of the mob. On the flip side, government institutions and bureaucracies should not be trusted with the power to inflict anything close to torture.
jeb31415 1 year ago
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@jeb31415 "On the flip side, government institutions and bureaucracies should not be trusted with the power to inflict anything close to torture."
Why not! They do every tax season why break tradition!
tentacleviper 1 year ago
The thing is, the average human being has a low threshold for seeing people being tortured to death. Executions are more often than not public affairs and seeing people burn to the point of skin liquification as they thrash around in the chair screaming in agony can really mess a person up psycologically.
I remember the first time I saw the Green Mile; it took me a week to recover after watching the botched electracution scene. No one deserves to suffer like that, no matter what they did.
KingofKlubs 1 year ago
@KingofKlubs Let us say it's a multiple count, caught-in-the-act, child molester/rapist/killer. Please, let me know the proper punishment for someone who doesn't even allow a child to exist.
Pandaoniman 1 year ago
@Pandaoniman Prison is under-rated. Most people don't realise how hard it is to be locked in a tiny room for the majority of the day, for year after endless year. If you think certain criminals deserve to suffer as they die, then you have to be prepared to sit there and watch them being tortured. Empathy is apart of the human condition for a very good reason.
KingofKlubs 1 year ago
Nitrogen asphyxiation might be the most humane form of execution.
captain150 1 year ago
Well, there will not be overpopulation because there is a crapload of land that's just sitting and unused (not uninhabitable). As for the death penalty, fuck yes I love it. I don't like paying for murderers (or rapists to be honest) to live an easy life in a prison. Yes it IS easy in there because unlike an inmate that has a life sentence, I can die out here from starvation and no one will give two fucks about me.
Pandaoniman 1 year ago
@Pandaoniman
not to mention only about 1,100 people have been executed in the U.S. since 1977.
overpopulation? not even close.
fordtruck600239 1 year ago
u do kno it cost more for someone to be put to death then the person to serve a life sentence right?
JJO5478 1 year ago
@JJO5478 9mm bullet for 25 cents... 1 headshot should do it. You can even buy ammo in bulk. Please explain where you get your figures.
Pandaoniman 1 year ago
I look @ it this way.I could be charged for something I did not do and the system may seek the death penalty against me.......Fuck dat!!....So i say fuck the death penalty.
ShawnChalanT 1 year ago
If we don't kill each other, this planet will be way over populated. Murder death kill is the nature of man and let nature take its course.
noodleninjaa 2 years ago
WTF? Hey speak for yourself!! If you are so worried about overpopluation, kill yourself. Peace!
cursivedragon 1 year ago
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Libertyjack1 2 years ago
YAy, it's Billy the Mime!
AlbertoAntonio6 2 years ago 3
KILLER MIME!!! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!!!
LifeMustard 2 years ago 19
@LifeMustard ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thenicereviewguy 8 months ago
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if we are killing people for terrible crimes I do not care at all if it is painful for the criminal, whatever they did was very painful for someone else
but at the same time our government is so stupid they should not be responsible for killing people
volcom13xx 2 years ago 11
you're right, we SHOULD teach people not to kill...by..killing...
ThePatcam 2 years ago 2
if you are at the point where you are using the death penalty you are not trying to teach a lesson to the criminal now are you
volcom13xx 2 years ago
i think he was referring to the general public.
enuvune 2 years ago
@volcom13xx Exactly what is a terrible crime? Adultery is a capital crime in Iran, seen as terrible. Should their death be painful, to represent the pain caused to those cheated upon?
AnimalNitrates 1 year ago
@AnimalNitrates we are not talking about Iran now are we?
volcom13xx 1 year ago
@AnimalNitrates By the way, cheating on someone is emotional pain, a terrible crime is torture, murder, things are first are ILLEGAL and second cause physical pain
don't pull this emotional pain pussy bs lol
volcom13xx 1 year ago
@volcom13xx I don't really care what kind of pain is caused by adultery. My point is that 'terrible crime' is subjective, and in different countries different actions and intentions warrant death.
AnimalNitrates 1 year ago
@AnimalNitrates well this discussion is about American laws, not international laws...do you really want me to outline what a terrible crime is? You are smart enough to know what I mean right?
volcom13xx 1 year ago
"I do not care at all if it is painful for the criminal, whatever they did was very painful for someone else" - volcom13xx
Even if they were on death row for a crime they did not commit?
neoYTPism 1 year ago
@neoYTPism nope, thats why i said our government is too stupid. Maybe you should read the whole comment before you try embarrass yourself?
volcom13xx 1 year ago
I DID read the comment. You are just missing the point. @volcom13xx
neoYTPism 1 year ago
@neoYTPism Most states, if not all, will not put you on death row unless there is DNA evidence. Not to mention, how long the appeals take....
St3hLy 1 year ago
Use of DNA evidence isn't completely infallible. @St3hLy
neoYTPism 1 year ago
@neoYTPism Look up the statistics, generally it is 99.9% reliable.... who more do you need?
St3hLy 1 year ago
Where do you get your "statistics" and your info in general? @St3hLy
neoYTPism 1 year ago
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@neoYTPism Look it up for yourself...........
St3hLy 1 year ago
@neoYTPism Look it up....
St3hLy 1 year ago
@St3hLy I think you need also need to watch the Bullshit! episode on Numbers.
259 1 year ago
@259 Look it up you idiot... is it really that hard?
St3hLy 1 year ago
@St3hLy Why should I? You're the one who presented the baseless argument, buddy. The burden of proof is on you.
259 1 year ago
@259 Because no matter what I provide you are still gonna deny it, so look it up for yourself, if not, it's no loss to me.....
St3hLy 1 year ago
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@volcom13xx "if we are killing people for terrible crimes I do not care at all if it is painful for the criminal, whatever they did was very painful for someone else"
Maybe so, maybe some seconds of suffering should be part of the punishment.
But do you have 100% confidence in the legal system that condemned the person in the first place? Is it acceptable for a certain percentage of innocent people to go through painful execution processes due to miscarriages of justice?
mandolinic 1 year ago
@volcom13xx Should anyone be?
magicdarragh 1 year ago
@magicdarragh google
volcom13xx 1 year ago
@volcom13xx Exactly, the real debate is not over whether they deserve an excruciating punishment. Murderers most certainly do. Its about whether our government, or any court, can be trusted to 100% accuracy in dealing out the penalty. We can't compensate for accidentally executing an innocent person.
poolopis01 9 months ago 4
@volcom13xx Keep in mind that not everyone who gets executed is guilty of committing a crime. Yes, I know that more guilty people are executed than innocent people but that's not enough. Innocent people should not die horrible deaths for crimes they didn't commit and as long as capital punishment exists innocent people will continue to die no matter who carries it out.
swordhunter12 6 months ago
If only the victim could punish then you would have assholes killing criminals over minor things like stealing your cupcake or you would have parents getting away with raping their children because the children arent going to put their parents in jail. It is acually very inapropriate for a victim to decide punishment just like a victim shouldnt be able to be the judge during trial.
fieldman07 2 years ago 2
Absolute guarantee for kenneth Biros has taken effect
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
The absolute guarantee for cecil Johnson is now effective, he will commit no more capital crimes.
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Interesting thoughts, but I think we part company at this point.
Cheers..
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
who investigates the crime scene? who makes decisions as to aho is and who is not a suspect? Do we have jails??
Jails are the government?
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Your belief is fine with me, but you must also be against the Government releasing people who may kill innocent people!! What about innocent people dying??
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
This story is still being written, so it is early to form settled thoughts.. I write about the Seattle killing of 4 INNOCENT officers by a person released by the state.
How do you feel about innocent people being killed when the state releases people?
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
the death penalty does offer an absolute guarantee
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Please stop equating the examples of loved ones in your family who may have been horribly injured or killed by someone to the justification of the death penalty. Some things are wrong, and they're always wrong, regardless of any other circumstances. Also, what about those dozens of individuals who were executed who have now been proven to have been innocent due to modern DNA analysis? Killing is wrong, no matter who does it.
jerico641 2 years ago 3
concerning the US. Can you supply a list which includes the dozens of individuals executed then proven innocent due to DNA findings? 'Dozens proven' being essential .....
Cheers
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Pardon me, but I would say that what is essential is that anyone, any one single person who was killed by the state and then later found to be innocent is too many. Right off the top of my head, I can think of one, Milton WIlliams from Texas, executed about 1987 for the murder of his wife and friend, and proven conclusively to have been innocent of that crime by DNA analysis of available evidence in 2002. I shouldn't have even used the word "dozens" as that negates the point of my argument.
jerico641 2 years ago
Thank you, I was surprised that I could have missed such a list. I see your point, one event, or the possibility of this event, is enough to justify abolition of the DP.
Fair enough.
How do you feel about the State releasing murderers who have a recidivism rate of 1.2 % on innocent citizens. Does your logic hold true and cliam that one event should abolish paroled release of murderers? 1.2% recidivisim rate is sourced from the justice dept.
Thanks
Cheers......
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Are you assuming that prisoners who would have received the death penalty would be set free? This is nearly never the case. Those offenders who commit crimes serious enough to receive the death penalty would likely receive life sentences without parole, not be freed. In addition, the death penalty does nothing to prevent recidivism. In fact, many criminologists believe that it may actually increase it, as it created motivation for an offender to kill witnesses in order to avoid their own death.
couldbesunshine 2 years ago
I am assuming nothing. The US Justice Dept lists a recidivism rate for those convicted of homocide and some of them released as 1.2 %. very sad that the state would release people who would pray on innocent citizens..
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
My apologies, but I assumed that you were discussing recidivism in relevance to the death penalty. I was trying to draw attention to the fact they they are not connected and do not impact one another, as it seemed rather out of the blue to mention one after the other. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
couldbesunshine 2 years ago
Those executed make recidivism a non sequitur.
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
That's actually what I was trying to point out.
couldbesunshine 2 years ago
My point was an attempt to address one of the arguments offered by many of those opposed to the Death Penalty, that being the killing of an innocent citizen.
Cheers
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Just wondering, you said that killing is wrong no matter who does it. what about the the killing the Allied soldiers did in WWII. they had to kill. without killing some of the worlds worst dictators would have never been stopped. Murder is absolutely wrong. but i would say that at drastic times, sometimes killing is unfortunately necessary. (think defense of ones family or friends...)
classyplatypus 2 years ago
Obama admin, AG Eric Holder, seeking death penalty for Twin Tower bombing
masterminds.
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Yes, that brings up another point; do you see how easily we just assume that there will always be villians, tyrants, and dictators in the world ready to either kill us one on one or send massive armies out to destroy ours? When an individual has no choice but to kill, it's usually because someone somewhere made a choice for him well before he found himself in that position . And maybe it could've been prevented, who knows? But we don't even try anymore. We'd rather just accept violence.
jerico641 2 years ago
Doctor Guillotine sounds like a pretty badass name. Imagine if you had a medical doctor with that name lol
"Doctor Guillotine is going to come in and talk with you about your options"
ColeMcGrath 2 years ago 2
Capital punishment does have a few cases in which it is necessary, but it is overused far to severely.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
i am dude
but some guys just dont desevre to live
mr fritzel for instance
theonlytnargmatt 2 years ago
Soo, where's the problem? My father was in a coma with half his head demolished due to a hit and run son of a bitch. How humane was that for my father to be in pain, probably aware but paralyzed, Broken back and legs, his left eye crossed due to trauma, and on a ventilator for 30 days before he finally died? And you fuckers are worried about 2 fucking minutes. Give me a fucking break! Both these idiots suck ass and cock.
8av8today 2 years ago
whoah whoah wait a seconhd I disagree with them on this issue but they're generally awesome otherwise......
Limejello10512 2 years ago
Limejello10512 to be fair, both these idiots suck ass and cock when it comes to this issue. OK.
8av8today 2 years ago
I take my (Metaphorical) hat off to you, simply because I love someone who is willing to argue their point. Apart from the fact that we have catergorically parted from the issue of your clip and are now arguing the basis of the English lexicon is a testiment to human indeavour. Let's team up and argue about something that is clearly (To coin a phrase) Bullshit, like the 9/11 'conspiracies'. Peace!
TabiusRankin 2 years ago
:) It's been fun. I enjoy a good debate!
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
I understand what you're saying to a point, although I'd like to point out that it IS a paradox. The definition being "a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth." The premise being that, you would have to change your views about someone changing their views in order to prove that change was possible. Therefore a Paradox.
TabiusRankin 2 years ago
But your premise is that no one is willing to change their views, vis a vis "I have to change my views about someone changing their views in order to prove that change is possible" is merely stating "You have to understand that someone isn't going to change their views because you aren't going to change yours", which is completely incorrect and doesn't fall under the ideology of a paradox.
You left off with the suggestion that you can't change anyone's mind, which is untrue and not a paradox.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
Before you even comment on my last message I have a paradox for you. Can you change the mind of a killer? If you can, then you should be able to change the mind of anyone who has a different view on life. Such as someone who is anti-death penalty changing to someone who is Pro-death penalty. If you will never ever ever change your view then neither will they. Get out of that one!!!
TabiusRankin 2 years ago
That's not the definition of a paradox.
But to answer your question: Yes, it is possible to change someone's views on life, the Death Penalty. The more educated we become, the more we change as a whole of society. Things change all the time. Or are you telling me that we all have the same issues from 2,000 years; 10,000 years, 100,000 years ago? No, with each advancement comes opportunity to grow and learn.
More personally, I used to believe in the Death Penalty until I educated myself.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
The death penalty has never been a deterant, simply a punishment that has been deemed equative to the crime that someone has commited. People kill because of impulse and DO NOT (at that moment) consider or even care about the concequences. If a neurological imbalance in someone's brain leans them towards killing then you CANNOT help or 'heal' them, the same way you cannot cure parkinsons disease (Another neurological imparement). If a person can ONLY cause harm to others what else can you do?
TabiusRankin 2 years ago
You take them out of society and you put them away for life. You do not have to stoop to their levels because you don't know what else to do with them.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
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ecks6 2 years ago
I only support capital punishment for the most serious crimes, such as mass murder or terrorism, the Nazi's hanged by Albert Pierrepoint after WWII deserved to dangle from the gallows. While execution might not be a deterrant, it's the only fit punishment for some crimes.
TashkentFox 2 years ago
It's interesting how many times Nazi-ism is brought up in Internet debates.
How about this paradox that cannot be escaped: if murder is the willful killing of another human, and you advocate the Death Penalty, you yourself are a murder and must be put to death by your own ideology.
I disagree that the death penalty is the only punishment for some crimes. There are certainly other options that are far better, there's just too many people who would rather kill than to turn a bad situation good
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
I understand your point of view even though I disagree. I can get round the paradox, because it isn't a paradox, murder is a legal term, not a general one. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a person, execution is an act of the law, therefore it does not constitute murder. You could use the same argument to claim that prison is a form of kidnapping.
TashkentFox 2 years ago
That's the thing about a paradox, you can't get around it. You're using word play to justify your views, but it doesn't change the end result. I can reword the paradox to make it still apply if you'd prefer, but I'm afraid it would be pointless.
The only reason why execution is an act of law is because we have justified it to ourselves that it is OK to kill killers.
Prison COULD be considered a form of kidnapping, but it's better than letting hardened criminals roam free.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
I'm going to assume here that you're arguing for more effective methods of carrying out capital punishment since you don't make any argument against the practice in principle.
iamacyborg 2 years ago
It's horrible to assume anything if you're only going off a single clip. I urge you to watch the entire video if you want to make an informed decision about my views.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
"Fails the standards for putting down animals."
depending on the person they're executing, makes me support the death penalty even more!
Ihatejohnashton 2 years ago
lol I was about to say I think they fail to meet the standards for being animals.
Limejello10512 2 years ago
So do many mentally ill people who live in the U.S. and around the world. Does that mean they should all be put to death as well?
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
The point I was trying to make is that these people are so horrible for the crimes they commit they would have to work their way UP to being animals.
Limejello10512 2 years ago
I caught the point you were trying to make the first time around. I do not endorse what any criminal does, but they are still human beings, and the better we treat each other, especially our problematic ones, reflects on an advancing civilization well.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
Well then I don't see how they apply to mentally ill. People like you and I may treat one another with love but you can't fight violence with love. You need to counter it with violence. And this is justice. There is a line from batman however "criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding" and it's very true. They depend on people like you to care for their better nature and forgive. The truth is you're just helping them get away with it. They're taking advantage of you.
Limejello10512 2 years ago
That's where you're wrong. You CAN fight violence with love. The world is what you make of it. If you CHOOSE to fight violence with violence, then you only breed more violence.
That line from Batman was said by Ras A Ghul, whom is known for his lack of empathy or sympathy. It was Batman (the protagonist) who decided that killing is wrong.
If you think that by treating people's problems with proper education is helping them "get away" with it, then i fear you have deeper issues of trust.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
yeah I would have said that but 400 characters. No you can't, a criminal is not going to be so impressed by your compassion that he'll be good. Violence doesn't beget inaction does. The punishment has to fit the crime and for some of these people killing isn't enough it's just the most that we can do so, obviously we're screwing up the process, but the process is better than many of these people deserve anyway. Indeed I do believe people change but I proudly say I don't trust these people.
Limejello10512 2 years ago
I think you're confusing compassion with inaction/passivity. You don't have to kill in order to get your point across. Violence DOES beget more violence.
If you think the Death Penalty is a proper deterrent to "fit" the crime, then I have another clip from this show that refutes that argument.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
Actually I admit I haven't see this episode and I love this show. A link would be appreciated. However all though I may have contorted the topic if someone is trying to hurt someone else you need to stop them physically usually. I do think of myself as forgiving and I think the amount of force used should be kept to a minimum but I accept that there are bad people out there. who aren't moved by love. if they are they wouldn't hurt in the first place. I think this also applies here.
Limejello10512 2 years ago
My position isn't against using force to stop people from hurting others. The topic is on the Death Penalty as a form of punishment or deterrent to crime, which IMHO it is not a good idea.
I can't post the entire video due to YouTube's TOS, so I can only post clips of it. I don't have the clip refuting the Death Penalty as a deterrent YET, but I can get it up after I make it (it takes a few hours but I need to go to bed, it's 2:28AM here!)
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
well the thing that got me is that he seemed concerned about their level of comfort. The level of comfort of someone like that is not high on my priorities list and even if it were, they can just increase the dose.
Limejello10512 2 years ago
Why can't we be compassionate to those around us, even the cold hearted killers? Is it so wrong to remain compassionate toward those we disagree with?
It seems society still levels compassion as a weakness instead of our greatest strength. The better we treat the whole of our society, the better we all are in the long run.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
someone just deserves to die. kiddierapers for example.
dandycliff2 2 years ago
@OzzFan1000 What about the killers that keep on killing over and over again, even after we let them go? What about the people that show no regret for their multiple murders. Do you expect us to "compassionate" the worst of the worst? The murders that don't stop? The serial killers that torture, rape and murder their victims?
It's going to be this or life in prison, and at least this way they aren't wasting law biding citizen's tax money.
epicnessinacan 1 year ago
@epicnessinacan Actually, they are. Death penalty costs more money than life in prison for the tax payers. And if it seems like they'll murder again, let's keep them in prisons. And that last statement of yours, NO, that simply isn't true. Innocent people are executed in USA every year. So, this is not "sure" thing, the real murderers are actually free
TheRyder89 1 year ago
why dont they just save the time and money by shooting the bastard in the head?
Oldmanlogan10 2 years ago
I don't know, why DON'T they shoot you? Save us all the displeasure of living amongst barbarians.
Jcolinsol 2 years ago
hey the guy is going to die anyway
Oldmanlogan10 2 years ago
So are all humans, does that mean we should all just shoot ourselves before we get old?
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
Because that would make you a murderer, and by your own standards, you must be put to death as well.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
I have no moral concern at all about the death penalty. What I do have a concern about is how expensive, time consuming and inefficient it has become. Too big a waste of resources and effort for those who deserve resources and effort the least.
MaxTheCrystalSkull 2 years ago
The U.S. Government has also become too expensive, time consuming, inefficient and a big waste of resources, yet we don't revolt against them because we all believe in having a government.
War is also time consuming, expensive and inefficient... but it also involves killing of human life which is always tragic.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
i have a question, how many people do have to kill in order to get the death penalty or aside from killing what other or how many other crime do you have to commit to be sentenced to death
theXramoneXpistolsXP 2 years ago
Depends on the state and the severity of the crime.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
you know when a pet is put to sleep, the vet gives them a sedative then an overdose of an anesthetic. which takes less than 30 seconds. i guess we treat our pets better than the condemned.
theedrstrangelove 2 years ago 2
i want to visit that museum.
twelvethousandcats 2 years ago
where i live they use to tie them by the neck to a horse and drag them to queen square where the gallows was and hang them most was already dead when hanged although criminals was hard to come by so if it got really boring they would accuse people of being a witch or made up an offence but was mostly women and children real celebrities such as guy Fawkes would only occur about every six months
user7671 2 years ago
I used to put animals to sleep with sodium pentithol. MOST of the time they went VERY peacefully. I quite not long after kitten season. That sucked putting down healthy kittens because we had no room.
defect530 2 years ago 2
Honestly, instead of the Death Penalty bullshit, why not just bring back torture? And instead of having a paid person do it, let someone related to the victim(s) do it.
Death Penalty is out of whack, because it's unclear on what you have to do to get it. Like Casey Anthony. Kill one little kid, they consider the DP. Or kill 16 and they put you in prison for 50+ years.
I say, Torture is where it's at. I may be a sadistic bastard for wanting that, but people that do that shit deserve it.
yatagarasean 2 years ago
you get home from work, and found out that ur lmom was tortured and killed....You will want the DP for that person, but if u are the one who wants to do the same thing to another human being, you are not better than him, cuz if he likes torturing u like it too...ur the same shit.
FrankBeltre 2 years ago
But since America is suppose to embrace the idea that everyone is equal, then I am no better then him anyway.
Besides, there IS a difference, he would have tortured and killed my mother for... What reason? If it was just because he wanted too, then what I would be doing to him would be "justified".
And whose to say I'd even want the DP for that guy? All I want is 20 minutes and a room full of pointy things, while he's strapped down, of course.
yatagarasean 2 years ago
I don't really think that is what is meant by treating everyone "equally". We should try to be the best people we can while respecting everyone else's right to be different.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
I almost agree that they deserve it... but what happens when the state puts away someone who is completely innocent, and how do you know if they are completely innocent? My point is that the death penalty will likely execute someone that is innocent, which is something that should be avoided at all costs.
HIMYNAMEISEVAN 2 years ago
Well, only the person in question would know if they are innocent or guilty, so I believe it would be time to drastically update Polygraph machines. Being able to connect it to the brain would give an increase in the percentage to know if they lie. And by doing that, you could also cut down on the amount of innocent people that might get the DP.
Of course, that's just an idea. A damn good one, but still just an idea.
SeanTheOriginal 2 years ago
How are we any different than the very people that we are killing? I don't see how we can justify it. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
HIMYNAMEISEVAN 2 years ago
Well isn't equality one of the things America is about? If so, then we're no better or worse then anyone else. Even murderers.
And everyone says that "Two wrongs don't make a right" bullshit, but when does it really work? Example: Hitler. He killed millions of Jews. So what if someone had the chance to kill him. Would that not make it right?
And I know how *I* could justify it. You just ask yourself. Did he kill someone? if yes, then he is too stupid to be alive.
SeanTheOriginal 2 years ago
I have uploaded a new P&T clip from the same episode dealing with your logic. They don't specifically mention Hitler, but it still deals with the "eye for an eye" issue.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
i understand your point, but theres a equality isn´t about, he killed my friend so i´ll kill him, revenge is an emotional responce to anger and hatred, but when we cool down and think, killing the murderer of your friend, or lover or child won´t bring them and it definetly wont make any better than the man you killed, thats why the death penalty sounds like total hipocracy, especially if the one convicted may turn to out be innocent
theXramoneXpistolsXP 2 years ago 3
But the death penalty isnt really revenge. It's punishment. We kill the murderer so he can't do it again. Now if it's an accident, I can understand. But if it's some asshole who killed dozens of innocent people, I think he should be put to death.
snowstorm9091moua 2 years ago 2
No, it's not punishment, it's just another murder, don't go projecting your violent values on others.
Jcolinsol 2 years ago
I'm not projecting my violent values on others... I'm just sayin if a man rapes and kills your daughter/sister... wouldn't you want him to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Or would you want to pay taxes to let him have 3 square meals a day in prison?
snowstorm9091moua 2 years ago
Yes, it is perfectly natural to want to harm someone who has harmed you or someone you love. That is why we have law, so that as a group we don't allow personal pain to guide our actions.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
You're onto something here, and they mention this idea in the full video. There will be a time in our future when we can tell beyond a shadow of a doubt if someone is guilty or innocent, until that day, the costs are too high.
In fact, polygraph tests are horribly inefficient compared to newer methods. For instance, brain scans show more activity when a person is lying than when they are telling the truth because lies require more brain power to make up facts.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
And the accounts "yatagarasean" and this one are the same person. Just to cut down on the confusion of anyone read this.
SeanTheOriginal 2 years ago
Can you find any documentation of anyone wrongly executed in the last couple of generations?
twoslices 2 years ago
Steven Truscott. He wasn't actually executed, but had Canada not been in so much shit over this incident (sending an innocent Minor to death row over a crime he did not commit), then he would have been executed. The only reason why he was taken off of death row is because of tourism plummeting. You should do some research on him.
HIMYNAMEISEVAN 2 years ago
Cameron Todd Willingham 2004 you lose
dchozo 2 years ago
What ever happened to simply putting a bullet in the convicted person's head at 1600FPS? That seems the most humane way of execution.
kurtsemler 2 years ago
Too traumatic for the executioner, apparently.
Mojosbigstick 2 years ago
That's the quick and easy way, but I'm sure many would argue that its not the most humane.
If you haven't done so, I'd urge you to watch the entire episode to see where they are going with this. I simply used this clip to prove a point to someone.
If I can get a chance, and if it isn't against the TOS, perhaps I'll post the entire episode for everyone.
OzzFan1000 2 years ago
Please do. I don't have showtime.
WHYNOTTTTTTyeah 2 years ago
They later show a guy who spent 6 years on death row for a crime he didn't commit. That's the other problem with the death penalty, you can't undo it if it turns out you made a terrible mistake.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago 2
The other problem?! Capital punishment is nothing but a childish problem.
WHYNOTTTTTTyeah 2 years ago
I'd love to but I just found out that I cannot post entire episodes without getting into trouble. :(
OzzFan1000 2 years ago